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Unpacking High Performance: A Conversation with James Laughlin · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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  Speaker 1: James Lachlan, Welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Taylor. So good to see him, man, pleasure
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  Speaker 2: to be here.
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  Speaker 3: I think I might have all the swear words out
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  Speaker 3: of my system before week.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no fun, Oh Jesus Christ. Just for the listeners.
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  Speaker 3: I'm having such tech issues. It's just like I'm a
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  Speaker 3: moppet on this end. But I actually think it's the technology.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's me.
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  Speaker 1: I would agree, Thank you, Thank you, James.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and so we are going to talk all things
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  Speaker 3: high performance.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You are a globally recognized high performance coach, a seven
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  Speaker 3: time world champion musician, so you're what I call a
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  Speaker 3: p academic, all right, somebody who's actually been there, done that,
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  Speaker 3: and then dug into what behind it, and I coaches
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  Speaker 3: other people on it. Right, And you happen to be
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  Speaker 3: from about thirty miles or twenty miles down the road
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  Speaker 3: for me, as it turns out, And I was a
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  Speaker 3: guest on your podcast just the other day.
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  Speaker 1: By synchronicity.
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  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable how it happened that. God, we need to
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  Speaker 2: get you on about another ten times with so much
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  Speaker 2: to chat about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was actually a fun podcast, but let's focus
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  Speaker 1: on it.
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  Speaker 3: So when did you When did you leave Northern Ireland
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  Speaker 3: and were you under witness protection?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the relocation program possibly. So I left in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and four to Vancouver, Canada, and then went back
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of months and then headed down to
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand. So I've been here twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Right, okay, and by Vancouver first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So had two options at lisburn or Vancouver. So
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  Speaker 2: for those that listen that don't know if Lisburne it's
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  Speaker 2: a little town in Northern Ireland, so which.
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  Speaker 1: I lived by.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up living about ten miles away from that
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  Speaker 3: place called Moyer. Used to I used to hang out
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  Speaker 3: in Lisburne quite a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Brilliant, I love it well. The thing the two reasons
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  Speaker 2: where I wanted to be in the world's best pipe
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  Speaker 2: band bagpipes and drums. One of them is called Field
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  Speaker 2: Marshall Montgomery there in lisbon I remember that, bloody brilliant
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  Speaker 2: And the other one is Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada.
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  Speaker 2: So when that opportunity came up, I shot shot straight
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  Speaker 2: over there and I got the experience a bit of
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  Speaker 2: North America.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know, my Yeah, I just had a flashback
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  Speaker 3: when you said Lisburne, it's probably oversharing with listeners.
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  Speaker 1: But one of.
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  Speaker 3: My prevailing memories of Lisburton is getting head butted. One
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  Speaker 3: night when I was about sixteen, I was up with
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  Speaker 3: my girlfriend. I was waiting on the last bus home
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  Speaker 3: and these guys walked past.
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  Speaker 1: They were drunk. They were a lot older than me,
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  Speaker 1: and one of them come up. They came up to
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  Speaker 1: me and they said, say the alphabet.
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  Speaker 2: You know where you're going as a certain letter, you'll
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  Speaker 2: get pay here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you go ab cd EFG and I went
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  Speaker 3: h and this guy went boom and head butted me
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  Speaker 3: and broke my nose and said this mates, hold him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get my gun and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: come and shoot on my mind. And I knew he was.
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  Speaker 3: In the udall right, this guy called Skippy and I
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  Speaker 3: nearly shot my pants enough right, I actually managed to
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  Speaker 3: run it because they were drunk.
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  Speaker 1: I managed to wriggle three and get away.
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  Speaker 3: But that that is one of the two times in
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  Speaker 3: my life that I was actually a freeing from my life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you share that, because I'm always a
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  Speaker 2: freidy share my stories. Northern Ireland people think, Ah, that
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  Speaker 2: couldn't have happened. Then there's no way, no, seriously, like
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  Speaker 2: every Friday or Saturday night that you're right. It's like
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  Speaker 2: potential death zone legit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. And so for the listeners out there,
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  Speaker 1: H or H.
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  Speaker 3: Right, how you pronounced that letter is driven by what
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  Speaker 3: your religion is.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're a left for like I was, I'm
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  Speaker 3: being in recovery for nearly thirty years. I was born
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  Speaker 3: a Catholic, right, and Catholics say h and Protestant say.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody in the world would know that, right, except for
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  Speaker 2: Northern Irish people. It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm glad you're here to tell the story.
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  Speaker 3: A little micro trauma to start the podcast is obviously, well,
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  Speaker 3: so may.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us.
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  Speaker 3: When did you realize that the skills and processes that
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  Speaker 3: you developed to become a seven time world champion musician,
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  Speaker 3: When did you realize that they were transferable and that there.
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  Speaker 1: Was actually a system behind it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. Not till thirty years of age. I
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  Speaker 2: got to thirty, just became a dad and started getting
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  Speaker 2: a bit worried because I was James the Drummer. I
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  Speaker 2: taught drums, I played drums, and I sold drums. I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if I break a wrist or something happens, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to earn a crust. So I thought,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what could I do? I need to go
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  Speaker 2: and get a piece of paper. So Otago University here
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  Speaker 2: in New Zealand. I went back to UNI and did
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  Speaker 2: a Bachelor of Applied Management, so essentially looking at your
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  Speaker 2: life experience, what you've achieved, and unpacking all the theory
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  Speaker 2: from that. And so it ended up being it was
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  Speaker 2: a three year degree, but you skip the first two
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  Speaker 2: because they say you've done the first two in your real,
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  Speaker 2: real life existence. The last year you're going to unpack
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  Speaker 2: it all. And it was just the most amazing thing.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a degree that is specifically for people
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  Speaker 3: who have a bit obviously a bit of life experiences.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of athletes, like a lot of my clients
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  Speaker 2: who have been professionals, like all Blacks and Crusaders, they've
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  Speaker 2: all done exact same course where it's like, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: went straight into our passion and our hobby, skipped Uni,
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  Speaker 2: but we actually gathered a bunch of skills and things.
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  Speaker 2: How can we get some theory behind that's some understanding
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  Speaker 2: that give me confidence to go, there's something behind this.
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  Speaker 2: I could transfer all these skills and help people in
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  Speaker 2: a different realm.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I've never heard of a university degree
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  Speaker 3: like that, and it just it makes so much bloody sense.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a real word.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose the closest thing to that that that I'm
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  Speaker 3: aware would be like an m b A. But but
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  Speaker 3: people can do an MBA fresh, right, But if you
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  Speaker 3: have had a fur bit of experience in an MBA
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  Speaker 3: makes us a shitload more sense.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cool.
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  Speaker 3: And so let's like, let's let's talk about high performance
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  Speaker 3: in general and why you talk about getting radically clear?
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  Speaker 3: So what does that mean? Explain I unpack that for
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  Speaker 3: our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: So few people know what they want. When someone comes
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  Speaker 2: to me, it's like, I want I want I want this,
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  Speaker 2: I want that, So what do you really want? And
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  Speaker 2: they always respond with when someone says that, they actually
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  Speaker 2: don't know what they want, and they're generally making decisions
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  Speaker 2: based on what they think other people want. Their parents,
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  Speaker 2: their family, their loved ones, their colleagues.
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  Speaker 1: Get rad society exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Society, their church, whatever it might be get radically clear
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  Speaker 2: on what you want. And you know, an example would
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  Speaker 2: be Sam Whitelock, So, former All Black rugby player. He's
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  Speaker 2: sitting around the table with me and a few other
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  Speaker 2: clients and we're talking about what we want. He speaks last,
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  Speaker 2: as always, and I think great leaders tend to speak last,
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  Speaker 2: they tend to listen more. And he says, guys, what
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  Speaker 2: I want is to be the most capped All Black
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  Speaker 2: of all time. Now, this was COVID lockdown kind of
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  Speaker 2: time right and around there. So he had probably two
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  Speaker 2: or three years left in him. COVID was stopping games,
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  Speaker 2: so he'd last games that he could get to play.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't getting any younger injuries could start cropping up
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  Speaker 2: selection issues, and we asked him what do you mean
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  Speaker 2: by that? What does that look like? You know who
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  Speaker 2: you up against Richie McCalls who he was up against,
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  Speaker 2: And so that was what he wanted and he wrote
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  Speaker 2: it down. He says, don't share it with anyone. He says,
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  Speaker 2: this stays within this group until I do it. And
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  Speaker 2: when he walked out onto the park and he matched
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  Speaker 2: Richie's God, it was a special moment at the Rugby
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  Speaker 2: World Cup and then when he walked out the next
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  Speaker 2: week like I was watching from afar, but the hair
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  Speaker 2: standing my arms today thinking about it, that's someone who
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  Speaker 2: is radically clear on what success looks like and nothing
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  Speaker 2: could stop that. Man. We all need to get radically
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  Speaker 2: clear on what we want in our lives, relationships, and
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  Speaker 2: our work.
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  Speaker 3: And how do you how do you help people understand
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  Speaker 3: or are there signals or feelings that that that that
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  Speaker 3: people will realize that they're on the right track right
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  Speaker 3: in terms of being radically here and what they really
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  Speaker 3: well like, how do people know that, hell, yes, this
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  Speaker 3: is this is it for me and this is not
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  Speaker 3: something that's been imposed on me by society, by my parents,
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  Speaker 3: by those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any little indicators?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, emotion really drives that. So when we're in our head,
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  Speaker 2: we're dead, Like we've got to get out of the
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  Speaker 2: head into the heart, or maybe out of the head
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  Speaker 2: and onto the page. A couple of questions I would
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  Speaker 2: always ask people who think they kind of know what
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  Speaker 2: they want but they're not radically clear. Is what keeps
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  Speaker 2: you up at night, what makes you cry, what pisses
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  Speaker 2: you off? What angers you? Start writing those things down
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it becomes clear what they're
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  Speaker 2: passionate about. You know, what difference do they want to make,
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  Speaker 2: What do they want to stand up for? What are
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  Speaker 2: they working for, what's the difference they're trying to make
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  Speaker 2: in their industry? What kind of dad do they want
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  Speaker 2: to be? So I always try to get into the
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  Speaker 2: emotion of it because that emotion often drives our behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And when people are up here like who picks I
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  Speaker 2: want to be a lawyer at eighteen and they go
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  Speaker 2: and do a law degree, I mean that's madness. At eighteen,
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  Speaker 2: you should be on a Kontiki bus traveling around Europe
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  Speaker 2: getting pissed, having fun. You shouldn't be studying law. You
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  Speaker 2: should be having fun. You're eighteen to twenty five, go
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  Speaker 2: and try things, say yes, be an entrepreneur, work for others.
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  Speaker 2: Once we get into those mid twenties, that's the time
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  Speaker 2: to get radically clear. Where do I want to go?
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  Speaker 2: What does success look like?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's that's critical.
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  Speaker 3: So my daughter is nigh and nine teen and she's
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  Speaker 3: at UNI, And when she was finishing school, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you need to go travel, you need to go see
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  Speaker 3: the world, like just and you know, we talked about
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  Speaker 3: different options and like, go to Asia, go and see
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  Speaker 3: different cultures, see different people. I tell you that two
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  Speaker 3: and a half months that she had you could see
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  Speaker 3: that she came back and changed person, right, and now
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  Speaker 3: she's just like every whole day she wants to go travel.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's really really important to go and
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  Speaker 3: see the world, see different cultures, you know, work out
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  Speaker 3: kind of who you are, what sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of person you want to be.
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  Speaker 3: At that age, it is critical because we just we're
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  Speaker 3: in this, We're in the we're just in the bloody system.
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  Speaker 3: You go to school, you then either go to university,
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  Speaker 3: you go and get a trade, and that's it, freaking
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  Speaker 3: on a path.
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  Speaker 1: I see interesting.
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  Speaker 3: My Cola Cardi's nephew has just come over from Switzerland, right,
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  Speaker 3: And what they do in Switzerland is you get to
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  Speaker 3: I think it's our equivalent of year ten. And they
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  Speaker 3: actually say to them based on their on their scores, right,
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  Speaker 3: you lot year off to university, you lot you. I
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  Speaker 3: need to do a trade because you don't have the
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  Speaker 3: results and maybe the academic way is not suitable for you.
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  Speaker 3: You need to do a trade and you need to
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  Speaker 3: pick a trade now. And you're right, and this guy's
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  Speaker 3: sixteen and he started cheffing walking really late at ninety
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  Speaker 3: you know, developing a tree at the age of sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think it's it's too young to be
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  Speaker 3: set in the past, right then, get that's all laid
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  Speaker 3: out for you.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of that, it's a bit scary to.
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  Speaker 2: Think that you need to be making those decisions. I
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  Speaker 2: think just being trying lots of things. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: was I sold ice creams when I was fourteen. I
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  Speaker 2: was a waiter in a little restaurant in Danadri when
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  Speaker 2: I was sixteen to nineteen. I then taught drums for
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, twelve dollars an hour, Like, try a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of things, work for other people and learn, but
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  Speaker 2: don't settle for what someone tells you you should do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, And so we've talked about that radical
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  Speaker 3: clearness and a little bit of a steer on this.
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  Speaker 3: Now you also say it's important to be full of bs.
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  Speaker 2: You're full of bs. Yes, belief systems.
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  Speaker 3: Talk to us about belief systems, you know, give give
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  Speaker 3: his whole thing?
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  Speaker 1: Where do they come from? How do you get clear?
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  Speaker 1: How do you build a system?
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  Speaker 3: And already you understand where those beliefs are coming.
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  Speaker 1: From Yeah, absolutely, so a couple, if they're serving you
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  Speaker 1: or not, well.
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  Speaker 2: They're either empowering or disempowering. Right, And often our beliefs
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  Speaker 2: are given to us by school, family, church. All these
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  Speaker 2: things are on the social media, now traditional media, people
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  Speaker 2: that we spend a lot of time with. That's what
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  Speaker 2: forms our beliefs. Anything that's repeated to us, or we
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  Speaker 2: repeat over and over, we begin to believe. Now. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I believed in a guy
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  Speaker 2: in a red suit with a white beard and he
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  Speaker 2: delivered presents. Now that belief was bullshit, right, And eventually
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  Speaker 2: I rewired that belief at school at the age of
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  Speaker 2: seven when someone said, this guy's a fake. It's your parents.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a good thing because we can do that
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  Speaker 2: with any belief right. So, when you look at a
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  Speaker 2: psychological model, say the bab model, where it's beliefs will
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  Speaker 2: influence your attitude and your attitudes will influence your behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Now we all want to go straight to behavior. I
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  Speaker 2: want to go to the gym six days a week.
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  Speaker 2: I want to eat no upfs, I want to do
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  Speaker 2: all the good things. Well, actually, don't start with the behavior.
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  Speaker 2: Start with the beliefs. What do you believe about health?
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  Speaker 2: What do you believe about nutrition? What do you believe
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  Speaker 2: about money? And so high performers spend a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time in their BS. It's subconscious. But to get into
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  Speaker 2: that subconscious, we've got to learn to repeat and use incantations,
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  Speaker 2: writing down what we do believe rather than what we don't.
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  Speaker 2: So but let's take a irishman. So often if I'm
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  Speaker 2: on stage, I'll say, guys, don't be kind, just give
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  Speaker 2: it to me. When you think of an Irishman, what's
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  Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to mind? So here's what
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  Speaker 2: I hear down this part of the world. Guinness, drunk, Leprechauns,
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  Speaker 2: Fildy d potatoes. Right, I hear all this right, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, good Petro bab Yeah, I haven't heard that
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  Speaker 2: one yet, but I'm sure that's that's coming. I never
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  Speaker 2: hear great rugby team. I don't know why you no.
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  Speaker 2: Not in Ausie either. So that's their BS, and I
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  Speaker 2: remind them they didn't need to think about that for
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  Speaker 2: very long. It's sitting in there now the same thing
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  Speaker 2: as sitting in there Paul, about our potential, about our careers,
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  Speaker 2: about our health, about our bodies about money, and it's
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  Speaker 2: either empowering us to move towards a very positive direction
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  Speaker 2: or the opposite. So it's asking yourself what I believe
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  Speaker 2: about money, health, happiness. Those would be great things to
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  Speaker 2: stay art with, maybe even success and failure if you
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  Speaker 2: wanted to add those in. But I believe money is
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  Speaker 2: Some might say scarce. I believe money doesn't grow on trees.
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  Speaker 2: Others might say I believe it does. So the belief
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  Speaker 2: systems will ship your outcomes. So don't go straight to
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  Speaker 2: going to the gym, and don't go straight to you know,
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  Speaker 2: starting to invest money, stop rewire rbs. And I've obviously
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  Speaker 2: got different exercises in there for people to do that,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't happen like that. It's not an overnight thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to happen. You got to take your time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that I mean, that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I mean with like, in talking of Northern Ireland, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I had a bit I was brought up well, I
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  Speaker 3: actually a lot of people in Northern Ireland are brought
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  Speaker 3: up and living in a house in the state that
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  Speaker 3: is ninety nine percent on religion, right, and they go
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  Speaker 3: to a school that is one religion.
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  Speaker 1: I remember growing up in Northern Ireland.
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  Speaker 3: The first integrated school in Northern Ireland that mixed religions
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  Speaker 3: was nineteen eighty five. And only if you remember this
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  Speaker 3: lag In College, that was the first school in Northern
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  Speaker 3: Ireland where it was mixed Catholics and mixed Protestants. So
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  Speaker 3: if you think about just that, you brought up in
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  Speaker 3: a house of state. There's peace lines between a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these houses states, and to you and me, no
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  Speaker 3: peace lines. When you say peace lines, people have a
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  Speaker 3: different kind of covert Yeah, so beautiful. So basically a
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  Speaker 3: fucking thirty foot corrugated iron fence between the Catholics and
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  Speaker 3: the Protestant neighbor's.
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  Speaker 2: Petrol bombs coming through exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And so but if you think about that environment, you're
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  Speaker 3: brought up thinking that the other side has got two heads, right.
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  Speaker 3: And I was very lucky that I was from a
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: mixed marriage, which is a different connotation where I live.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Right there, you go, and probably when your parents get married,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm a bit older than you. But when
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: when my parents got married, it was massively taboo.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: My grandfather didn't speak to my mother for years because
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: she married a cast like right, so you just you
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: think about what that does though to your unconscious belief systems. Right,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: And I always say to people were talking and not
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: necessarily about performance, but just understanding who you are.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Is it's particularly.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Your formative years that a lot of these belief systems
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: are developed. Because we're born with over two billion neurons
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and by the time we're about the age of four
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: or five, we've lost a billion of those neurons or sorry,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: sorry to you, one hundred billions and have a sleep here.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Two hundred billion neurons were born with and we lose
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: about one hundred billion in our forma years our life
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: because of what's called synaptic pruning.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: So the brain is born with all this potential that
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: gets shaped by experiences, right, And that's where those early
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: life that those experiences in early life, your parents were,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: your in the environment you're brought up in, all of
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: this can have an indelible imprint on your.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Mard and that's where it becomes like our responsibility as
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: adults to have synaptic strengthening. So the pruning happens naturally,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: but we can strengthen as well and install new beliefs
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and create new neurons and I grew up in a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Protestant town. Obviously mixed marriage, very quiet. We didn't tell
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: our neighbors, clearly, that was a very private thing. But
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: at school, so mom and dad would never talk about religion.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: We never went to church. But at school I got
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: an education on who Catholics were. And you know, they
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: all wore balaclavas, and they were all terrorists, and their
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: eyes were all really close together and nuts is that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: their Eyebrice met in the totally like people are like,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: yeah right, I'm like serious, I believe this. This was
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: like bred in to me by my mates at school,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: which would have been from their parents and grandparents, and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: that he's not. But that's actually exciting because that's how
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: easy it is to start believing that you can be successful,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that you can achieve what you want to get your doctorate,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like all those amazing things. It starts with a belief
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I can do this.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Of course I can do this.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: And so let's say, so you then talk about taking
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: your meds right in the book, So what do you
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: mean by taking your meds?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: All high performers take their meds. Look at I say,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in high performance sport, particularly, you know, people get obsessed
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: with winning. I was obsessed with becoming a world champion.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Now when people like peak underneath the hood and look
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: at your life behind the scenes, they realize for a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: lot of those people that are high performers or anything,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: but high performance doesn't mean burning out. High performance doesn't
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: mean annihilating your most precious relationships and your body. You know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: my marriage was going like that, started to go downhill
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and ended in divorce. As I was going towards all
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: these world championship titles. I was drinking alcohol like it
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: was going out of fashion. That is not high performance.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I believe, Paul that consistently exceeding norms whilst maintaining healthy
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: relationships and well being, that is true high performance. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: so that's what I try to aim for with my
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: clients and the teams I work with.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: So not being driven to the point where you're just
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: single focused on this one out come and everything else
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: in your life is collateral damage.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Relationships, all of those thingstfully. And you hear that with
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: some people, right, God, you hear that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: With so many people. You know. When people are career focused,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's a beautiful thing. But when it's totally
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: out of work, you've got to have something that brings
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you back. So I use this very simple acronym MEDS
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and once a month I ask my clients and hopefully
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the listeners will do this as well. It will cost
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you ninety seconds of your time once a month. Mental
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: training is what the M stands for, allowing your mind
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to slow down, allowing you to actually think, allowing your
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: heart rate to slow down, your blood pressure to drop
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a little, and that could be through mindfulness, meditation, simple
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: breath work, all that stuff the E exercise and they're
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: probably your listeners are going Jesus. This is such common sense,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: but Paul, you and I both know it's not common practice.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Look around us, how many obese people do? We have
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: unhealthy people psychologically and physiologically. The simple stuff is not
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: getting done. So once a month, how am I moving
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: my body? Am I sedentary? Am I getting you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: strength and conditioning? And am I eating enough protein? That
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: takes us to d diet? What are we consuming? And
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: that includes liquid, coffee, soda, pop, alcohol, that includes substances
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you're vaping, your cigarettes, your cannabis, whatever you're taking, Well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: how did that go this month? What's my diet look like?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: What am I putting into my body? Could it be better?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And last, but not least sleep. A chatting to Alex,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: who's George Russell's performance coach, the Formula one driver. What
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: do you measure? He says, We just measure two things
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: in terms of his performance, happiness and sleep. If Georgie
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: boys happy, the rest of us are happy. And if
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: he's well slept, quality sleep with a good balance of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: ram and deep and we know that his reaction times
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: will be greater. I said, well, how do you work
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: on that sleep thing? He says, well, same time to bed,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: same time, wake up, very comfortable, mattress and pillow that
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: we fly to Miami, Melbourne, Aba, Dabi, wherever he flies.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: All that stuff goes with them because sleep is where
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: it's at. Most of us are willing to have shit sleep.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I did four or five hours. Look at me, you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: know doing it tough. That's not something to celebrate.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: We've got to prioritize our sleep and none of us
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: are going to be perfect. But meds once a month,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: which one's the lowest ranking, and just focus on that
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: one for the month ahead. How could I sleep a
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: little better? Could I cool my room down? Could I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: maybe have you know, say caffeine. Caffeine has a quarter
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: life of twelve hours. So you say you have a
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: cup of coffee at ten thirty am, Well you need
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to know at ten thirty PM of that caffeine still
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: running through your system actively. So maybe have your last
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: one at nine or eight in the morning. Get up early,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: have an early coffee, and enjoy it. But these simple things,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: just we tweaks, one habit a month could really shift
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: those meds and allow us to stay in the game
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a bit longer.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I love that there's a monthly audit of that because
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you know, we talked about belief systems, and you talked
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: about wiring your Brian. Like those four things that maids,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the mental train, the exercise to a sleep, they are
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the essential ingredients of neuroplasticity, the ability to change and
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: rewhy you're brilling and the exercise particularly creates all the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: conditions necessary for neuroplasticity. Right, something called BDNF and brain
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: drive neurotropic factor that helps you to grow new brand sales,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: create new connections.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Right. You can only do that when we're exercising, right, Paul,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: You can't do that any other way. There's no exactly
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: BDNF no know.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And and and there's drug companies all around the world
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: trying to develop b d NF in pill form and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to the point where you can take and cross the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Bloodbury and barrier. And I tell you what, the first
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: drug company to take out a patent on that, I
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: will sell my businesses, sell my house, pawn my children,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and buy shares in that. You heard it here for
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: folks exactly, but I mean the diet thing as well.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't realize this, Like everything
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: that goes in your gub influences your gene expression.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: And either regulates you know, bad or negative things are downregulates. Essentially,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: every single thing is upregulating or downregulating gene expression, which
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: autoimmune disease, like you're either eating your way towards it
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: or away from it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and and and supporting you know, diet supports
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: all of the chemical reactions, like we are an ecosystem
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: that relies on external imputs to be uptimal, right, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: some of those inputs being that what you stick in
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: your gub, how much you move your body, and that
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: recovery like you're talking about George Russell and flying it right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I pick my hotels because I travel a lot,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: as you probably do with corporate speaking, And I pick
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: my hotels based on the comfort level of the bed.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And the pillow.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And sometimes if I'm going away for a while i've
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: got space, I'll take my own pillow with me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Rightly, the small things that are the big things.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah up.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And is that so many people think setting goals and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: being a high performer and winning in whatever realm that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: it's psychological. It's about thinking. Yes, that's a component, but
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: there's a massive physiological component too.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Like, you can have the greatest goals and the greatest
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: system and the greatest plans and coach and everything, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: if your internal system, let's say, your neurotransmitters are not
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: supporting that, you're not going to be motivated to do
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the work, best plan, no motivation, you won't get the outcome.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you are preaching to the converted here, because
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I'm all about a psychophysiological approach.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I call myself not a psychophysiologist.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a psychologists or an exercise or a physiologist.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I'm a psychophysiologist. Because you've got like the brain controls
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: everything your body does, but it's completely dependent upon the
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: health of your body for optimal functioning.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Right, I guess if there's one, I mean, we are
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: are clearly very aligned on that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: And if there's probably one take home for listeners, it's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that thing like Brian and anybody who told you brain
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and body are fucking separate entities is full of mad
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: dog shite.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: As you used to say, run a mile.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So mean, let's talk about hormones and neurotransmitters because you
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: mention those in your book.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: And what role did a play in peak performance?
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, significance. So I guess first things First, neurotransmitters, people
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: might go, Can I go and get those measured? It's
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: quite impractical to try and measure and real transmitter. However,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: through habits and behavior, you can moderate them, you can
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: enhance them to work for you. So that's probably the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: first thing. A couple of ones people should be aware of.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: No epinephrine, endorphins, dopamine, and seratonin. Those are four really
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: key neural transmitters that if they're out of whack and
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: they're not serving us, good luck chasing your goals. You know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: if you take something like a dopamine. You've got a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: rat that is absolutely starving, starving, However, it's got dopamine depleted.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: They've removed the dopamine from its system. If you put food,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and this has been tested right in front of that rat,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, it will not move towards that food. It
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: has no motivation. There's no dopamine to motivate it to
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: move towards its goal, which is to eat because it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: been starved forever. And yeah, I don't believe in animal testing,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: but that's a very very helpful piece of knowledge as
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a human. If you don't have your dopamine in order,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and you're maybe having dopamine crashes and you're exposing yourself
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: to too many dopamine hits with social media, alcohol, porn,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: whatever it might be, I promise you you're not going
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to have the dopamine balance to chase your goals. You're
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: going to be starved of it. So people need to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: realize there's ways that we can influence and not manipulate,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: but we can influence these neurotransmitters.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Cold therapy, yeah, sleep massive massive increase in dopamine by
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: getting into cold water, and it persists for fucking hours.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Literally yeah, like most of the day. And that's why
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: people who do cold therapy, even a cold shower, they
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: come out like ready to take on the world. Their
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: their voice pitch is elevated, their energy levels have elevated.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: They are willing to take on challenges and not bicker
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and complain like.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And sorry sorry James.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Because it also as well as released in dopamine releases
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: no epneffort or no adrenaline, which is about focused attention.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: So you have focused tension, motivation, mood enhancement, all from
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: turning that lovely bomb charticle for thirty seconds.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I think how simple is that it costs you nothing.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: It doesn't come in a pillbox. That when I talk
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: about these neurotransmitters, like do everything you can in your
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: power to influence them in a holistic way. Meditation incredibly helpful.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So if we take something like a cortisol, we need it,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: but we don't need as much as some of us
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: are getting, so meditation helps to bring that back. Also meditation,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I was chatting to a leading longevity expert out of California. Recently,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: him and Peter Attia wrote a book called Outlive. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: brilliant book, and we're just chatting about meditation, he says,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: if you've seen the research, he says, men are after
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: thirty five to starsterone starts to go down and eventually
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: starts plummeting. His meditation has been shown if we do
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: it twice a day for two to five minutes, starts
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the level at and then eventually we start to see
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: natural incline intotosterone.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Really I did not know that. Wow.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I was blown away because I'm like, great, I'll keep
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: keep meditating. So that was quite fascinating.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, these new transmitters, don't you know, don't downplay them.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: They are a thing. They are very important in our motivation.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for Tony Robbins every Monday and Tuesday
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, stop with that crap. I mean, he's amazing
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: at what he does. But don't don't rely on that crap.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Sort your bloody hormones out, you know, and you don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: need injections. Some of you go to your GP. That great,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that's awesome, but most of us can manage these things
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: through changing our habits and our behavior.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And I think the key thing I really want to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: double click on the dopamine.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: How's the lady who wrote the professor Anna Lemke Nation one.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she highlights a whole heap of research in
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that which is really cool, research that shows that there's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: a difference between cheap and easy dopamine and dopamine that
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you earn, right, So cheap and easy you talked to
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: them things like pornography and food, alcohol, drugs, scrolling, right,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: this is why we get addicted and our kids get
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: addicted to smartphones.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Is that scrolling those little dopamine.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Hits and the surprise that you get the novel type right,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: is something that just keeps you doing that. But she
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: has shown anything that's cheap and easy dopamine. I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: she talks about the research that shows that you get
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: a dopamine crash afterwards, which is what you talked about.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Whereas dopamine that you need to earn through exercise or
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: cold exposure by doing something hard means that that dopamine
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: that you get from that persist for a long period
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: of time and name when it drops, it just drops
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the physiological levels, whereas the easy doublemine it drops underneath.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: That's why you feel shitous after.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Of course, you feel depleted, you feel down, you feel
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: maybe even depressed or anxious like things like take the stairs.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you jump in an elevator and you go
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: up twenty floors, you get out the elevator, there's no
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: sense of reward. You take the stairs, You're going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: get to the top and feel like a champ. That's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: a really beautiful dobamine release an instrument like drumming. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: didn't become a world champion overnight. I was not an
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: overnight sensation. There was probably five to six thousand hours
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: of practice before I won my first world championship, maybe
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: even more. But sitting down for an hour and playing
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: a pattern over and over and over and over for
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: an hour signs boring as hell. But I'll tell you what,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: when I got to the end of the hour and
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I could play a little bit better and a little
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: bit faster, felt pretty good for the rest of the day. Yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: what's looking for those delayed gratification way to gain that?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said we need to talk about delay gratification
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: in a bit, so make a note of that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: But it's just the other.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Thing I wanted to to just mention around dopamine is
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: there's so much research out here ei there not that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: shows that your brain releases dopamine when it knows it's
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: in forward motion towards your goal. So that comes back
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: to your whole idea about getting radically clear on what
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: you want, because when your when you set goals and
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you're focusing in and chasing a goal and you're doing
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: actions towards it, that's what releases dopamin. I always say
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: to people who there's many people sitting waiting for the
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: fucking motivation. Fair you knows what I said to people.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: If you want the motivation for her to come, get
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: started right, get acting towards your goal.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: But it's got to be towards your.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Goal because it's about goal directed behavior and that's what
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: gives you the motivation to continue.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And if I think of dopamine, you set your goal.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: So I was working with Canterbury rugby team and you
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: know we're talking about, you know, why is the season
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: not looking the way we'd want it to look. I said, well,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: let's go back to the games and let's go into
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the micro moments. He says, why did you not celebrate
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: that tackle, Why did you not celebrate that pass? Why
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: did you not celebrate that good kick? You celebrated the try,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: but there wasn't nearly enough tries Why you're not celebrating
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the micro goals along the way.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that releases dope.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I meane every time you celebrate a little moment. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I got my book out tonight before I
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: went to bed. I read three pages bloody, brilliant. That's
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: a little moment. Celebrate that. So we've got to take
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a moment to actually celebrate the mini victories. That's going
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to help.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I see there's research on that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I remember, you've you've just tweaked back memory that are
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: triggered it that you need to celebrate your wins, save
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: them for about ten to twelve seconds for them to
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: impact upon your brain and.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Your reward pathways.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: So many people just go, oh yeah, move on, move on,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: slow down, save, celebrate.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Fucking hell, all that hard work was worth totally.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: And I mean the toughest guys I work with, whether
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they're special forces athletes, are you know, big important businessmen
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like journal have a journal. Get your pen out and
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: write about your feelings, right about your achievements, right about
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: your challenges. That's one of the cheapest and most powerful
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: self development tools there is out there.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely concur with that, and I need to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: get friggin' better.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I think Carlag's brilliant at it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I am so hit and miss, but when I do it,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: it is actually really really useful, right, And I love
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: the whole stoic idea of Mars Aurelius talks about, you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: when you get up in the morning, and I kind
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: of do it mentally. I don't write it down, but
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: I think there is value in doing that. Is like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: who do you want to be today? What sort of
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: person you want to be? What sort of values do
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: you want to exhibit today? And then at the end
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: of the day, and you're on it. Here's what I said.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I was going to do what worked well, what didn't right?
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: That whole process of observing your behavior. It's like you
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: do talk about taking your med's monthly. It's that observation around.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Here's what I said I wanted to do. How did
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: I do? We've got to keep ourselves in check.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: No one else is, no one else cares nearly enough
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to check in on us with our goals, with our
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: self discipline.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's our job.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And you've got to participate in your own rescue. And
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: like every day.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I like it. Yes, that's very cool.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, participating in your own rescue and participating in your
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: own fucking destiny too.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about because you're a little bit critical
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: around traditional education and how it kind of comes up
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: short when it comes to peak performance.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: So what do you mean by that?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Look, I think there's so many constraints around traditional education.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It's got its place, and there's a lot of it
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that I do admire and love. However, for the individual
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: who think differently, for the individual who wants to take
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: a different path, the education system's not set up to
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: support them at all. And when you see high performers,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: you know, people that are credible athletes, people who are
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you know, incredible creatives, the education system usually doesn't serve
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: them very well in their formative and often stifle them.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And so how many people are we losing out on
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: that could actually be you know, the next Beethoven, the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: next Michael Phelps. They might never make that because the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: education system doesn't make room for that creativity. And even
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I was chatting with our former Prime minister recently, we're
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: talking about critical thinking. The way it's set up, it's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: now discouraging critical thinking. The ability to use your mind.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, how do we just get on laptops at
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: year two, year three and use chat GBT, use your nuggin,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: like use your brain. So I firmly believe that traditional
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: education has its place, but it's a parent's duty to
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: fill the void, fill that gap, help your kids at.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Big goals at school.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: You're not certainly New Zealand. I'm sure it's similar in Australia.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: You're not encouraged to have massive dreams like and celebrate
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: in this tall poppy syndrome thing.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's big in Australia.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yah massive.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: How sad is that? It's awful?
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: So I judge to James, sorry for our international listeners.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I think all the Ausies and Keywis would understand tall
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: poppy syndrome, but just explain it for maybe some of
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: the international listeners who may have never heard that term,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: like what the hell is tall poppies?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, So essentially, let's say you're passionate about something, you
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: give it, you're all, and you start to get some results,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: and you start to you know, maybe get some wins,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're maybe the national champion
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: or you launch the business and you make a million
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: bucks and all of a sudden, you're in newspapers, whatever
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: it might be. You're starting to kind of rise up
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: above everyone else in their eyes. And you're a tall poppy.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And often what happens when you rise above the masses,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: some people will go, oh, oh, we need to chop
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you down. We need to chop you right down so
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you can back down the size. That's tall poppy syndrome.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It's I was chatting with Richie McCaw when him and
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I became fathers, I don't know, nine years ago, and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: we're talking about tall poppy syndrome with our kids and
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: he said, James, when someone tries to blow out someone
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: else's flame, it doesn't make theirs burn any brighter.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, that is fucking good. I love that. That's cool.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's his perception. And I says, did you receive
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: tall poppy syndrome because obviously New Zealand's most well known
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: rugby player, arguably one of the world's most known. Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And he says, James, when I received it, and I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: received it a lot. It made me double down. It
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: made me just get to work. And I think that's
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. That was his response. So it's up to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: you and I how we respond to that kind of
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: naysaying critics, And you got to take the high road
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and keep moving.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I remember Richie McCaw thing all right. I bought his
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: book and The.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Real McCaw which is a frigging brilliant book, and I
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: was I was reading it, and then one day just
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: disappeared and I'm like, the card, where have you seen
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: my book?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking, fuck the hell, did I leave
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: it on a plane or whatever.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: And then one night I was walking past Oscar's bedroom,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: who was ten at the time, and it was half
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: past ten, and I could see a light right and.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And I thought, you little ship, what are you doing?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And I opened the door and went in and there's
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Oscar sitting up in bed with the head torch on
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: with my book, The Real McCaw with a highlighter, reading
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: it and highlighting.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Was just And he did that for his his karate, right,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: because he was big into his karate. And when he
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was he had I think he entered into the national
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Karate Championships and he wasn't supposed to get in because
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: he was too young, but they screwed it. Up in
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: terms of the entry. So he sense his wife just
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: entered him into the street and up and I was
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: talking about it. We were thinking him right, and so
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: we're going there and I said to him, look, osk,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: look this is just going to because you know, daddy
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: in a year makes a big difference.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And I said, look, let's just go and have a crack.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Right, and you know you'll get some great experience for
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: next year.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And he just stopped and he looked at me and
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: he said, what are you talking about. I'm going to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: win it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: And he ended up winning it. But a lot of
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it was the stuff that came out of Richie mccaugh's book. Right,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: So if you ever see Richie McCall again and tell
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: him that story.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell him that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: It had a It was just unbelievable.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I'm reading it. I don't want to forget that he
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: had talked.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: On just just reading the book and and the systems
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: that Richie McCall put in players.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was very cool when you mentioned Richie McCall.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: And let's not talk about so.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Modern society quick fixes? Right, Hell, are member running a gym?
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And I had this guy working for me and you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: younger generation and came in and was a trainer and
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: said to me, I think you need a penny two
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: hundred grand a year.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And that was your response, right, you laughed, But I'm like.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: No, talk me through this.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: And he says, well, I think I'm worth it, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so do you know how business works?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Right? But anyway, so there is this culture.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: A lot of it is driven by the whole social
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: media thing of quick fixes, right, of of instant wins,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of making being a fucking millionaire super quick and all
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: of this, and it's just there seems to be more
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: of a culture where they just want it all and
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: they want it really quickly, and people aren't prepared to
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: do the hard yack, right, so.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Talk to us.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Can you hack your way to peak performance?
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: There are no shortcuts? Look, the long term consequence of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: short game thinking is regret.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Oh I like that, say thathity.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: The long term consequence of short game thinking is regret.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: And people who think that they can just fast track
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and pay their way there, or mummy and daddy or
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: silver spoon me there and get me all the right
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: schools and coaches. Good luck. You know, the people have
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: sat down with whether they're running countries, companies, Formula one teams,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of them work their asses off and
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: n naebercent them went to a regular old school like
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: me and you did back in Northern Ireland. They didn't
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: get all the silver silverware and silver spoon treatment. So
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: there is no such thing as a quick win. There
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: is no such thing as an overnight sensation. And I'll
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: tell you what. The people who do get given the
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: lotto win, who get given you know, that nepotism kind
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: of rise, they're miserable. You know, I've sat with people
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: who billionaires who got there very quickly, and they're miserable.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: There's something beautiful about delayed gratification, working for something, earning it,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you know, slowly getting there, failing a bunch of times,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: getting back up. That's the only way to be a
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: high performer. And you know, I might be quite unpopular
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: here with the Gary Vaynerchuk fans of the world, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: you know the difference between a high performer and everyone else,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: it's not hustle, it's not luck, it's habits, you know, hustling.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in that at all. If you're a hustler.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Good luck to you. Can't wait to high five you
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: when you've burnt out, because that was me. I burnt out.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I haven't left, I said of drumsticks in eight years
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and that was my hobby, that was my joy. It
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: was my passion. Too much, too intense, not enough balance,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you know, its habits. Habits is what will get us
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: anything that we want in the world, you know, whether
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: that's a better relationship, better body, more money, that winning
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: whatever titles you want, get the right habits, and I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: promise anything's possible.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: And if you are a fan of the secret, I
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen that movie where you can
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: manifest your future in to fucking rewind and erase all
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: of that ship from your memory.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: That doesn't work, like manifesting and sitting doing jack all
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like you're not going to get anything. But you know
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: a sore oars, so.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: You're gonna fucking manifest long term failure. That's what you're
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: gonna manifyde why not take an action?
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: The fact in the book poll I share with everyone
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a really powerful visualization technique. Now, visualization and manifestation different things, yes,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and I walk them through like this is how you
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: visualize your future. This is why you focus on what
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: it sounds like, feels like, who's going to be there
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: at the finish line? You know, how might you feel?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: What might you hear? And then I'll walk them through
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: like let's do that regularly. So on the build up
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to my first world title, I I was lying in
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: bed fifteen to twenty minutes a night visualizing like a
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: three four minute performance in detail and how it's going
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: to feel and look at a potential obstacles. But when
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I win that title and I left up, how's it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: going to feel? Who's going to be there? What will
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I hear? And then have a plan to get to work.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Don't just visualize all day long, have a plan to
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: do the work.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: That called functional imagery training, right is exactly what you
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: talked about. And there's a lot of research Commander of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the University of Portsmouth around that whole visualizing, but a
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: structured process just like you're talking about. It's not just
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: fucking close your eyes, I'm going to be a multi
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: millionaire or a pop star whatever. It's about the process
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: as well and visualizing the process that bringing in the feelings,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: the emotions and making it as real as you can
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: so that you can actually taste, and it's.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Proven to to actually create results. Like a great neuroscientist
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and neurosurgeon, doctor Dody. Him and I were chatting about this,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and so he's obviously knows how the brain works and
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: works on the brain for his entire life has been
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: doing this exact same visualization technique, journaling about it and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: then doing the work. And he's created a life he's
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: deeply proud of. He's ticked off all his big goals.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: You know, there is a process, but don't watch the
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: secret and just think you can sit in bed all
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: day and think about your drink, like, get up and
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: get to work.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: There's a guy I think it's Anders Eric sim Yes, yeah,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: but but he also talked about the process. Now this
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: is this is very deep in my memory banks years
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: and years and years ago.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Abute the whole deliberate.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Practical, deliberate blackness is the key.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so, and I actually use that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: So I'll tell the story and then I want you
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: to give the the kind of cot around this.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So why this is important?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: So when my kids were doing karate, I eventually thought
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I was going to all these tournaments and I thought
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: fuck it, I may as well do karate, right, And
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: then I set myself a goal to become Australian Master's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: karate champion, right.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And I'd never done karate ever.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: But what I did and kumite, which is is the
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: comebat bit right, And I can't My hips are shot
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: because of soccer, so I can't kick. So all I
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: had was punch is front punch and reverse punch, right.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But what I did is I got a coach who
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: was a multi national champion, right, he was done at
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: our dojo, and I would get him to teach me
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: this skill, the front punch and reverse punch, but I
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: would get him to then film me do it, and
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: I would film him do it, and I'd go home
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: and I'd watch him in slow motion and break it down,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: and then i'd watch myself in slow motion and see
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: what was different and then adjust and film mcgeean and
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: adjust and film mcgeean. And then when I got at
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: that point, I would just repeat it over and over
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: and over and over and over again, and then film
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: myself and then see was I executing it properly?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Talk to us about why stuff like that is important
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and what other elements are involved in deliberate practice.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I read that ten thousand hour
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: rule by Andrews Erickson actually before I asked that, how
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: did you get on with your goal?
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, I think I was a white belt
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: with a yellow stripe or a yellow belt that everybody
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: else was a like second down black belt.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: That is outstanding, well done. But that's that's the proof
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: is in the pudding, right And.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I may actually me and know that that was a
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: brilliant moment because me and Oscar both became Australian champions
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the same event and the same event, yeah, which was
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: very precial.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And that's when you come down to actually the it's
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: not luck. There was some habits and discipline there. What
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: did you both do?
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: So Andrews Ericson would say, you know the ten thousand
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: hour rules. So I heard this when I was ten.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I've been drumming for a year and I thought, oh,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: all I've got to do is do ten thousand hours
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and I'll be the world's best. And so you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: maybe two or three thousand hours in god, I'm still
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: pretty average. And then I started reading again and seeing
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: this one line that said it's only going to work.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: If there's deliberate practice, shit, what does that mean? So
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I got a VHS cassette tip called the Essential Principles
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: by the sixteen time World Solo Drumming champion Jim Kilpatrick.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Popped it into the VHS cassette player and it was
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: teaching the basics, and I would stop, rewind, try it,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: stop play, watch him stop rewind. And I didn't have
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: a video camera at the time, but I had a
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: like an audio recorder, record it and listen and listen
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to him, and listen and listen to it. And about
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: two years of doing that every day, and I used
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: to skip school and not tell my parents, and I'd
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: sit at home in practice for six hours on the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: most basic rudiments, you know, these basic essentials. And when
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: I got to the World Championships and wanted at thirteen,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: people are like, how did you do that? Like you've
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: only been drunning for three or four years. This is
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: just the simple things done consistently over and over lead
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: to positive results. There wasn't I'm not a talented drummer,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: not naturally born as a talented drummer. You weren't naturally
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: born as a karate legend like you get clear and
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: what you want, then you reverse engineer, well what's the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: things I need to do? And then you focus on,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you know, sweat the small stuff.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Get brilliant at the basics.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Right, common sense not common practice?
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, so may you. So let's talk about motivation. Right,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: So we did, we did mention it. But some people,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: and particularly when they when they listen to things, they
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: get all motivated and go, right, I'm going to do
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: it hot. Is there a way that people can naturally
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: are deliberately enhanced their motivation?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Success is an inside job and it's not about
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: winning the world championships. It's not about making the big money.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It's about getting clear on why why do I want
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: to do this stuff? So if you look at the
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: research Daniel Pink did on motivation, he wrote a great
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: book on this and.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: The Drive Drive. I've seen actually seen Daniel Pink speak.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: He's pretty amazing good in person, because not very many
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: authors are equally as good on stage. It can be
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: a bit dry.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: We had him on the show but a year ago
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: and it's just outstanding speaker. But it's very simple. Mastery, autonomy,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and purpose, purpose those three things and here's the problem.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: So many people are extrinsically motivated money, status, power, fame,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and I would say, in my younger years, win win, win,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: be the World championship, be on stage. It was very extrinsic.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I remember I told you I burnt out as a drummer.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: There was too much extrinsic going on, not enough intrinsic,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: which is doing it for the love of doing it,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: doing it because you enjoy the process. You've got to
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: find the balance. And then finding the balance is having
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: a sense of mastery, of learning, of growing, of you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: purposely moving towards getting better and helping others. Autonomy, the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: sense of I can take the direction, I can head
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in the way that I want, I can work autonomous
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: from anyone else, no micromanagement. And the last one purpose,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: like why am I doing this? Is there an actual reason?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Is it making a difference to my life for other
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: people's lives? Those three things help. I don't know what
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: it's like in Aussy, but in New Zealand you've got
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: people who will fly with their in New Zealand and
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: they'll get silver status if they fly off enough, then gold,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: then gold elite, and that's awesome. You and I probably
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: fly enough where we've got these these status things, right, Yes,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Now they give you we bag tags, two luggage tags,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and they go on your big, badass thirty kg luggage
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and you check them in. Now, some people will take
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: those little gold Elite or platinum status and they'll put
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: it on their backpack, the backpack that's going on the
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: plane with them. It's never going to get lost, and
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: they'll have them abel stuck out in such a way
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that everyone can see their gold Elite, their platform, all
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: their colleagues, everyone at the airport. No, that's not wrong,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and that's not right, but that just means that they've
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: got quite a bit of extrinsic motivation.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely, And.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I think this is a real warning for parents, right
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: because when you are constantly rewarding your kids, like I
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: know some parents that would pay their kids' money to.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Do well in sport and to do well.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: In exams because well intentioned that they think then that
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: they are going to motivate their kids to do that thing.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Or you do well in your exams, I'll buy you this. Right,
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: you score a goal, I'll buy you this. You win
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: the tournament, I'll give you x amount of money. And
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: when when I hear and I've heard that sort of stuff,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hell, that's why I've no heard because what
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: they're doing is they're driving extrinsic motivation and they're destroying
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: intrinsic motivation.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And we need to be very very careful with how
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: we use.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Extrinsic motivation because it can motivate people to get started for.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Short term, quick pass simple tasks, yes, brilliant yes, correct
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: long game it's not sustainable.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: And then the other thing you talked about there was process,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: And when I coach, there's mindset coaching for karate Australia athletes,
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: the ones who want to get to the Olympics and
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: things like that, and chatting with them and process versus outcome.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: It's big.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: And I say to them like because because sometimes they go,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you know, in a big event, you know, that's when
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: they screw up and everything was there and I'm like, well, well,
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: what was what was happening in that event? What how
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: do we how are you thinking? And often it was
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: like my family's in there and my girlfriends in the crowd,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: right and they're thinking about I better win, I better win,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I better win and the stress comes from focusing too
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: much on the outcome. And then I show them the
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: research that shows that over ariusal inhibits motor control. So
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: when you're overarrised, right, when your your your arisal systems
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: are too high, it actually slows down your reaction time. Right,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: there's a sweet spot for arousal, and that over comes
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: from thinking about the outcome rather than the process, like
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: what do I need to do? What skills that I
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: need to execute? Right, As I said to those athletes,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: process beats outcome every fucking day and twice on Friday.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with I'm working with rugby players
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: or tennis player, doesn't matter. If you follow the process,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: you're going to get better results over the long term.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: And what you said around they were thinking and it
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: affects motor emotions, find more emotions. Goes back to that
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: model you and I talked about earlier, belief attitude, behavior,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: and the behavior is the motor control. Right, So as
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: soon as they're starting to believe, oh, if I don't
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: win this, I'm not enough for my girlfriend in the ARDA, Yes,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm letting my mom and dad down in
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: the audience. That's the belief. I'm a failure, I'm a disappointment.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: The attitude then goes, oh shit, well a better step up,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: and all pressures on a better not lose this. Then
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, as you say, things start to
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: slow down. So you get into the brain top two inches.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: That's wherever and is managed and controlled.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so you right. So last last couple of questions,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: because you're right that high performance aren't high performers aren't busy,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: which kind of seems counterintuitive. If you want to be
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: a high performer, you've gotta fucking work your ass off
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: and be busy.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: So tell us what do you mean by that?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: So a client come to me and say, look, James,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I have not getting the results I wanted. And I says, yeah,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: why not? I'm just so busy, got too much on
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: this is great, give me your phone's give me the phone.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: It's a good screen time reality check coming his way.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: It's four hours so Facebook nine hours fifty one minutes
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: in a week. I says, maykay, how many of your
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: clients are on there? How many of the things are
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: going to help you become successful in your sport or field?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Going to be on there? You went none TikTok eight
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: hours and twenty minutes a week, and you can see
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: where it was going. Another five platforms. I says, you
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: don't have a busy problem, you have a priority problem. Yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: so the true high performers aren't busy, they are priority focused.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I talk about MVPs. If you don't know your MVP,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: don't get out of your bed. What's your most valued
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: priority today? What's that? One in your professional world and
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: one in your personal world? You don't know that, like it,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: don't get up like because otherwise you're just kind of
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: bounced them from thing to thing and you're straight on
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: your phone. Look at your socials and answering emails.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Well, we didn't drift through life and we get just
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: sucked into those old habits and no routines, right that
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: often don't serve as right one hundred percent.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Prioritize your priorities. You know, if you look at the
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: average leader that had a study on CEOs and they
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: were asked, what's your number one value and priority in life?
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: But ninety nine percent of them family, Okay, great, for
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the next two weeks, we're going to do a time
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: on it. You're all going to report a time on it.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: So for the next two weeks they did that. They
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: came back and they reported that they spent on average
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: three percent or less of their day with their family.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: That's less than forty three minutes a day present with
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: their family. Massive values alignment. High performers are super radically
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: clear on what they value, what their priorities are, and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they schedule that and they say, no a lot. That's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: why they're not busy. No I'm not coming to that thing.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: No I'm not agreeing to that. No, sorry, I'm too busy.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But they're actually busy being productive rather than busy being busy.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love your time, audit.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I have a similar thing which I just
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: wrote a chapter part of a chapter in my new book,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: A Bite an Attention audit, Right, Like, where is your
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: attention placed on a daily basis? And is it placed
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: on the places that it needs to be for you
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: to become the person that you want to be?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: And that includes not only how much of my attention
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: is on social media or watching shit TV, how much
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: of my attention is in my own head?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I can struggle with my thoughts and my emotions and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: those sorts of things because whatever you pay attention to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: your bringing commit sales.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Two. That is just absolutely critical.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: So James, we do have to wrap up unfortunately, and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: I think I definitely need to get you back on
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: the podcast here.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Where can people go?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: So your book is The Habits of High Performers by
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: James Lachlan, or can people go if they want to
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: find out more about you other things that you do?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: If they want to book you as a speaker, either
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: in New Zealand, across the ditch here or anywhere else
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: where's the best place to say? No?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Paul, It's been great chatting. So a couple of things.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: If they want, I'd like to give them a high
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: performance planner for free and they can just go to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: jj lachland dot com forward slash planner and if you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: want to put that the show notes, that would be awesome.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Secondly, if they're on LinkedIn or if they're you know, Instagram,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: just James Lochland, they can connect. Then obviously run a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: podcast lead on purpose if they want to listen, they'll
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: hear the amazing doctor Paul Taylor very soon on there.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And then the book's available all good bookstores. Amazon Australia
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: will have it and if they want some of the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: extra one to one client resources I have, they can
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: go to the habitbook dot com and they can get
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: it in there. If they buy the book, they get
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: all those resources to