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[5/25] The Flight of the Garuda — Session 3 (Aug 2020) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, y'all.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is Flight of the Garuda.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the way we're doing this on Facebook, and with any luck it will be going out on YouTube also.
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  SPEAKER_02: If not, it will be there afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you have questions, as
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  SPEAKER_02: they come up, type them in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I will periodically pause in the text to answer any that have come up.
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  SPEAKER_02: For this,
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  SPEAKER_02: unless at the end I open it up to all questions,
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  SPEAKER_02: try to stay on topic,
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  SPEAKER_02: Dzogchen meditation,
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  SPEAKER_02: rather than every question you've ever had in the Dharma
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  SPEAKER_02: that nobody has ever answered for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we do just basic questions and answers, that's when we're going to address those.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Nyando's on with me, so she will be able to read me the questions as they arise.
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  SPEAKER_02: I hope you are all following along with this text.
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  SPEAKER_02: You'll get the best benefit if you have listened to the earlier chapters first.
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  SPEAKER_02: So for those of you who are tuning in and have not heard the earlier parts, go back.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're taped.
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  SPEAKER_02: And listen to them at your convenience so that you can catch up with us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Durji Simpa Garab Durji Dang,
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  SPEAKER_02: Shere Singe Bar Dushin Labdi,
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  SPEAKER_02: De Don Mab Zantata Tu Sum Chi,
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  SPEAKER_02: Zogchen Jupe Lama La Sol Wadib,
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  SPEAKER_01: Urgin Pema Juni La Sol Wadib,
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  SPEAKER_02: Ndurjichang,
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  SPEAKER_02: Chitilo Narudang,
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  SPEAKER_02: Marpa Milagompo Tsatsapa, Na Pupadang, Palden Drupasuk,
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  SPEAKER_01: Kargyulama Namla Soluwa
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  SPEAKER_01: De.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ndrudchen Lama Namla Sol
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  SPEAKER_01: Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yon Rundang Yandu Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: We are in...
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  SPEAKER_02: We are up to Chapter 5.
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  SPEAKER_02: Someone asked me the question yesterday,
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  SPEAKER_02: or the day before, in a teaching on the three words of Garibdorji.
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  SPEAKER_02: How ignorance arose?
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  SPEAKER_02: How did we get into this position?
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  SPEAKER_02: Of being trapped in our own boxes which make up our own versions of Samsara.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that is what Chapter 5 will address.
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  SPEAKER_02: But before we start on that, a small review of Chapter 4.
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  SPEAKER_02: Find your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean by this.
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  SPEAKER_02: The thinker of your thoughts, the feeler of your feelings, the perceiver of your perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you have a sense organ, an eye, a nose, ear, taste buds, ye, touch,
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  SPEAKER_02: You experience a sensation in your senses which you interpret as
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  SPEAKER_02: cup of coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: About which you then have feelings about your interpretation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am interpreting this as an excellent cup of coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's pulled off a bit, but that is not bothering me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I am experiencing pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_02: If I chose to be bothered by the fact that it's not as hot as it once was,
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  SPEAKER_02: I would be experiencing less pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_02: But actually I am interpreting it as absolutely perfect, not burning my tongues.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I have a sensation in my mouth which I interpret as coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: I associate it with how much I like coffee,
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  SPEAKER_02: all the coffees I've ever had,
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  SPEAKER_02: how good they felt to me, how wonderful the first coffee of the morning is.
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  SPEAKER_02: And all of these comparative interpretations come together in my perception
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  SPEAKER_02: of drinking a cup of coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've got a story on top of a sensation with a feeling and it's all mixed in together.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a complete bilbla.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bilbla is a Tibetan word for entanglement.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's generally referred to yarn after the kittens have been at it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So in this bilbla,
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  SPEAKER_02: of phenomena both inner and outer thoughts and feelings being inner phenomena
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  SPEAKER_02: and perceptions
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  SPEAKER_02: ostensibly being outer phenomena though although you can notice
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  SPEAKER_02: that they actually aren't outer they're also inner
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  SPEAKER_02: because they're completely entangled with thoughts and feelings
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  SPEAKER_02: and you can't separate them out
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  SPEAKER_02: So all of this,
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  SPEAKER_02: this entire bilblah called phenomena,
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  SPEAKER_02: who, where, what,
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  SPEAKER_02: is the experiencer of the experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is your mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the definition of the word sem, mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: The experiencer of the experience The feeler of the feelings,
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  SPEAKER_02: the thinker of the thoughts, the perceiver of the perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Usually our attention is point-focused on phenomena, this's and that's.
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  SPEAKER_02: What we're thinking in the moment,
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  SPEAKER_02: what we're feeling in the moment,
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  SPEAKER_02: and what we're perceiving in the moment, that's where we pay attention.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shift that.
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  SPEAKER_02: By intent,
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  SPEAKER_02: use the tool of intent to shift your attention from phenomena to the experiencer of
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  SPEAKER_02: the experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: The see-er.
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  SPEAKER_02: Rigpa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Open, aware, focused,
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  SPEAKER_02: wide focus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not point focus on this and that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wide focus on the indescribable, ineffable
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  SPEAKER_02: mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are methods to assist if you find opening your focus difficult,
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  SPEAKER_02: such as relaxing your eyeballs so your eyes aren't point focused.
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  SPEAKER_02: This assists your mind in releasing its point focus,
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  SPEAKER_02: such as inquiring
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  SPEAKER_02: all the moving.
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  SPEAKER_02: For in fact, thoughts, feelings, and perceptions, phenomena, are always changing.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're moving.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're flickering, arising and vanishing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where does it move from and to?
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  SPEAKER_02: Where is it occurring?
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  SPEAKER_02: Mind, mind looking.
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  SPEAKER_02: The stillness.
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  SPEAKER_02: The infinite openness of awareness does not come and go.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is not changing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your focus of attention changes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shifting from Open awareness to point focus and back again.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is focused on?
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  SPEAKER_02: The infinite, vast, indescribable expanse of mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not a point focus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Broad focus.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is unchanging regardless of what phenomena is arising and vanishing,
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  SPEAKER_02: what the dance of the moving does.
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  SPEAKER_02: Notice this.
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  SPEAKER_02: In no way whatsoever is the nature of mind affected by samsara's negativity.
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  SPEAKER_02: From the first it was Buddha.
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  SPEAKER_02: Notice this beyond a shadow of doubt.
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  SPEAKER_02: Emma Ho.
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  SPEAKER_02: Again my beloved heart sons and daughters listen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hear how Dharmakaya Kuntuzangpo Primordial Buddhahood Is free without need for
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  SPEAKER_02: so much of an instant of meditation.
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  SPEAKER_02: And how the six types of beings wander in samsara without having performed even
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  SPEAKER_02: the slightest negative, vicious or cruel act.
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  SPEAKER_02: The six types of beings refer to the beings inhabiting the six realms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Samsara is as vast as life, as vast as living beings in all their various experiences.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is categorized by people so they can talk about it into six categories.
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  SPEAKER_02: God-ish experiences,
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  SPEAKER_02: formlessness, Trance states, utter contentment.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even the gods of desire which have desires which they are continuously able
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  SPEAKER_02: to fulfill experiencing pleasure in the fulfilling of their desires.
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  SPEAKER_02: The realms of delight.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the realms of striving, of competition.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Asuras.
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  SPEAKER_02: Constantly seeking to find security of what they have acquired and to protect it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Constantly chasing more.
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  SPEAKER_02: Constantly losing what they have.
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  SPEAKER_02: That competition like a crab bucket.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody climbing on everybody else's head.
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  SPEAKER_02: The extremeness of this,
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  SPEAKER_02: the asura realm,
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  SPEAKER_02: and the human realm,
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  SPEAKER_02: which has the opportunity of language,
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  SPEAKER_02: the ability to express abstract concepts in some kind of language,
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  SPEAKER_02: not necessarily audio.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sonar of the dolphins counts.
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  SPEAKER_02: The patterns of speech in color of the octopi,
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  SPEAKER_02: should it be that they are expressing abstract concepts, they count as human.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, there is
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  SPEAKER_02: Negative side to this ability.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is the ability that allows methods of Dharma,
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  SPEAKER_02: methods of reaching freedom,
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  SPEAKER_02: to be communicated so it's good, but it easily overtakes and entangles itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: You are all familiar with overthinking.
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  SPEAKER_02: Getting a problem caught in your teeth that has no solution and being unable
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  SPEAKER_02: to stop thinking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: 2 AM, can't sleep, can't shut up.
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  SPEAKER_02: You all know that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is part of the suffering of the human realm.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the animal realm, which is primarily characterized by selfishness,
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody, eating everybody else and being eaten by everybody else.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Animal realm.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the hungry ghosts,
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  SPEAKER_02: the different from the gods of desire in that they have the same amount of desire
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  SPEAKER_02: but they can achieve no satisfaction to it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Constantly in a state of unsatisfied want.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the hell realms, which is the epitome of fear and anger.
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  SPEAKER_02: As heat or cold and pain and despair.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are the six categories of sentient beings.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the wheel that we turn on incessantly,
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  SPEAKER_02: moving from category to category,
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  SPEAKER_02: striving,
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  SPEAKER_02: practicing Dharma,
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  SPEAKER_02: meditating,
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  SPEAKER_02: obtaining trance states,
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  SPEAKER_02: liking them,
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  SPEAKER_02: obtaining realizations,
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  SPEAKER_02: liking them,
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  SPEAKER_02: getting attached to them,
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  SPEAKER_02: Going up on the wheel into the god realms,
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  SPEAKER_02: highest is the formless if you're really good at shine without an object.
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  SPEAKER_02: And have not moved on to Lakdong.
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  SPEAKER_02: Being able to meditate but not to free.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is the trap of the gods.
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  SPEAKER_02: Understanding The circle for as high as you get even into the formless realms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your realizations, your sine, your trance states, your very meditation had a beginning.
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  SPEAKER_02: You learned how to do it and it began.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thereby it will end in Lam Rim, in Sutrayana, the first thing you've ever learned in the Dharma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Impermanence and death, you will die.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even the sun, our star, will die.
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  SPEAKER_02: All things that are born will die.
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  SPEAKER_02: All things that are attained will be lost.
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  SPEAKER_02: Every realization,
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  SPEAKER_02: every meditative experience, everything you get out of your practice, you got it?
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  SPEAKER_02: You gonna lose it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Notice this and do not cling to meditative experiences.
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  SPEAKER_02: For this meditation, close your eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're going into visualization.
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  SPEAKER_02: Experience it following my voice.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the beginning,
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  SPEAKER_02: before anything was,
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  SPEAKER_02: before even time and space arose,
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  SPEAKER_02: nameless samsara and nirvana were pure potential in the original ground of being.
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  SPEAKER_00: No movement.
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  SPEAKER_02: For movement requires time and space.
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  SPEAKER_02: Movement.
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  SPEAKER_02: Is moving from point one to point two, from A to B over a duration.
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  SPEAKER_02: It takes time to move.
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  SPEAKER_02: See my hand move.
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  SPEAKER_02: It moves from here to here.
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  SPEAKER_02: It took a time to do that half a second.
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  SPEAKER_02: This movement Creates time and space.
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  SPEAKER_02: Before, beyond, outside of.
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  SPEAKER_02: None of these words are quite right.
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  SPEAKER_02: No time.
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  SPEAKER_02: No space.
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  SPEAKER_02: No arising.
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  SPEAKER_02: No dissolving.
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  SPEAKER_02: No things.
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  SPEAKER_02: No thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_02: No feelings or perceptions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pure Isness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Vast and all-consuming and unknowable.
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  SPEAKER_02: But
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  SPEAKER_02: The seed of awareness, the potential of awareness exists in this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Unactualized.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
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  SPEAKER_02: A breath of movement.
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  SPEAKER_02: A puff of wind.
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  SPEAKER_02: A thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: A perception.
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  SPEAKER_02: Movement, wind,
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  SPEAKER_02: time,
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  SPEAKER_02: duration.
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  SPEAKER_02: Something happens.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because that infinite open awareness in pure potential is alive.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not just a big dead old nothing, not just a void.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that very vitality which is inherent in that infinite vast potential,
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  SPEAKER_02: that very vitality itself
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  SPEAKER_02: potentiates the possibility of movement,
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  SPEAKER_02: which potentiates the possibility of time and space.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is how total presence arose from the ground at that time.
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  SPEAKER_02: The same way the natural light of a crystal when struck by a sunbeam shines forth
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  SPEAKER_02: in rainbow colors.
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  SPEAKER_02: When primal awareness noticed it was aware,
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  SPEAKER_02: It is vitalized by the life force of being.
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  SPEAKER_02: Vital, alive, awake, aware.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in that vitalization, movement and time occur.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the vase of eternal youth is broken.
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  SPEAKER_02: For once there is time, there is change.
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  SPEAKER_02: And once there is change, there is arising and dissolving, for that is the nature of change.
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  SPEAKER_02: Spontaneously originated clear light.
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  SPEAKER_02: Infinite, open, lucid, luminous awareness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Shown in the sky of mind like the light of the rising sun.
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  SPEAKER_02: As perception arose.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Kuntu Zangmo in this moment recognized the perception
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  SPEAKER_02: as
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  SPEAKER_02: the spontaneous manifestation of innate vital awareness
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  SPEAKER_02: The pure land being of primal awareness dissolves into the inner clear light it is recognized.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the original ground of being there is no separation between perceiver
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  SPEAKER_02: and perceived and perceiving.
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  SPEAKER_02: For time and space itself arises in mind and dissolves in mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: A thought, an idea, a concept.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the original perception of rainbow colored light is recognized as part,
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  SPEAKER_02: as nothing more than the shimmer of the vitality of aliveness.
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  SPEAKER_02: The shimmer of the clear light nature of mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: But, oops.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like a baby who sees rainbows on the wall from Mama's wedding ring and reaches out
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  SPEAKER_02: to grab the rainbow, not recognizing it is a phenomena of light in their own eyes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sentient beings on perceiving a perception reach for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this act creates the original karma.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thinking it's outside,
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  SPEAKER_02: over there,
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  SPEAKER_02: you reach out, mind,
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  SPEAKER_02: hand, awareness, to touch it, to see it, to possess it, not realizing it's yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember as a small child,
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  SPEAKER_02: Hearing that there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and getting lost
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  SPEAKER_02: during or right after a rainstorm,
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  SPEAKER_02: trying to reach the end of the rainbow and walking and walking and walking
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  SPEAKER_02: and never getting there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Mama had to come.
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  SPEAKER_02: Take the car and drive all over the neighborhood looking for
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  SPEAKER_02: the missing three year old who had wandered off
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  SPEAKER_01: to find the rainbow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thinking it was real and out there somewhere without the understanding
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  SPEAKER_02: of how light refracts off water droplets in the air and is perceived by the retina
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  SPEAKER_02: and the eyes as rainbow colored bands of light.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not knowing how that works, it looks like it's out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: And thinking it's out there, I want it in here.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I reach out for it for my pleasure
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  SPEAKER_02: In my wanting, and I create karma.
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  SPEAKER_02: A cup of coffee creates a fairly small,
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  SPEAKER_02: innocuous karma, but it is selfish desire, my motivation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really want to drink this coffee.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is
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  SPEAKER_02: minor object, a cup of coffee, and it is a doing, reaching out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Creating karma which proliferates and fills the universe with all the colors
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  SPEAKER_02: and shapes to interact with and interact you do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sentient beings do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dharmakaya kuntuzangpo kuntuzangmo understands in the instant of manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_02: That the outer light of pure being is primal awareness.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so inner and outer do not differentiate.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so the original oops of duality does not occur.
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you have subscribed to Duality, it is really hard to let go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's too easy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Although it says,
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  SPEAKER_02: once upon a time,
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  SPEAKER_02: long, long ago, perhaps in a galaxy far, far away, this all occurs.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is inaccurate.
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  SPEAKER_02: This, which is outside of time,
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  SPEAKER_02: the vase of eternal youth in its completion,
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  SPEAKER_02: unshattered, is always present and you have access
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  SPEAKER_02: between each moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: For all phenomena arises and subsides,
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  SPEAKER_02: arises and subsides as thoughts,
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  SPEAKER_02: feelings,
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  SPEAKER_02: and perceptions constantly changing,
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  SPEAKER_02: but between the moments of it,
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  SPEAKER_02: the potential
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  SPEAKER_02: not to grasp duality is always present.
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  SPEAKER_02: Being outside of time,
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  SPEAKER_02: it does not come and go, it's your mind, big mind, semgy,
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  SPEAKER_02: full mind as it is.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_02: So you think, perhaps, well if I don't act, then nothing will happen, give it a try.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: Your karma created in infinite lives of acting is still there
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: because your subtle subscription to duality is arising in each moment as it does
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: for sentient beings.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: To refrain from actions is an action.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: Even letting go is an action and each action will create karma and watch out
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: for those God realms.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: We unenlightened beings not understanding the nature
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: of spontaneity spontaneously originated appearance as our own natural radiance.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: This oops has resulted in unmindful perception and bewilderment.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is the ignorance
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  SPEAKER_02: that accompanies every perception you have in every moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the moment,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: the clear light And the appearances risen out of the ground
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: of clear light are perceived as two.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: For example, you are looking at your mind, yes.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: You are looking at your mind.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oops, that's duality.
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  SPEAKER_02: You put it outside of you.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: You may be familiar with Tawa
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: from the three words that strike the heart by Garobdurji.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so we learn to find Tawa and sit in direct perception of Tawa.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's a doing.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: You're making a division.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: For as long as there is you looking at,
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: perceiving, interacting with a thingy that you are calling Tawa,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: this isn't Treksha.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's just Shini without an object.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a stage.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's part of training.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: You pass through it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: You pass through it to take your attention off all the things that dweeble and beep
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: and light up and blink in color and distract you.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: But don't stop there.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: It is this very conceptual ignorance.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Ignorance means not seeing.
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  SPEAKER_02: That which keeps you from seeing.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: That which makes you believe in this and that.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: And even further as it proliferates,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: you start believing that this and that are the way you think this and that are.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you even do it to Zogchen.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: You think it's like this and that.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: And you believe the thoughts.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: You have thoughts about tawa.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: You think it is infinite open awareness.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: And you grasp that idea and you try to make it hold still in order to stabilize your treacher.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't work.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because ideas don't hold still.
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  SPEAKER_02: Never have, never will.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: Perceptions don't hold still.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: Never have, never will.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: A perception requires a perceiver and a perceived ed.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's a doing.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's all tangled up in a bilblah of thoughts and feelings.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: And no matter what you try to do about it,
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: you're just digging yourself in deeper because all of that is doing.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Thereafter,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: the potentialities of our experience proliferated with the gradual widening of
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: the scope of our activity.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_02: The entire gamut of samsaric action emerged.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: Duality split into the three emotional poisons.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Desire, aversion,
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: and ignorance,
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  SPEAKER_02: which themselves split into these six categories of human emotion,
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  SPEAKER_02: which themselves split into the 51 different types of human emotion,
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: which themselves split into the 84,000 feelings felt throughout the universe.
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  SPEAKER_02: Proliferating into the pattern of every snowflake.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Every leaf on every tree.
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  SPEAKER_02: Since then until this very moment.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: Since now until this very now that we are trapped in.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: Since between the nows,
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: before the nows,
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  SPEAKER_02: outside of the nows,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: beyond the nows,
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  SPEAKER_02: until this very now,
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: right now,
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: we have endured the pleasure and pain of the wheel's constant revolutions.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: The joy, the delight of falling in love and being loved back.
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  SPEAKER_02: The delight of being hungry and eating something wonderful.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: The delight of a good mood.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: The pain of being hungry with nothing to eat.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_02: The pain of depression and sadness, of loss and death.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: Round and round and round we go.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Born and dying, grasping this's and that's and losing them, winning and losing, joy and sorrow.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: We spin endlessly in this samsaric existence as if tied to a wheel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, through your teacher's profound personal instruction has made you aware of
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: the self-deception and delusion harbored in the dark cave of your mind.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: You have also glimpsed your mind as Buddha, as the totality beyond time and space.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_02: You have encountered the original face of the original Lord, the Adi Buddha.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you know that you possess in each moment the same potential as Kuntuzangpo.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Contemplate this joy from the bottom of your hearts.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a way out, but the way out does not get rid of in.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grab it.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grab enlightenment.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grab enlightened mind.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: Grabbing what you think is outside of you that you don't have is the original oops.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: Stop that.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Notice.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: Mind with mind as mind.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: This was song five.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Introduction to the recognition of delusion.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: How did it happen?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: How do it happen?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's always happening.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Every perception.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: You want to fix it.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: You're handsy, little critters.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: You move it a little bit.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'd rather have it right there.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Let's turn this a little bit so that the pretty things are facing the camera.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: How else should we adjust things?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's have another sip of coffee.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Frog.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll eat one of my lozenges that soothes my throat when I'm talking.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: You see that?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: You think it's outside of you and it's real so you do something with it again and again.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: But don't just sit there instead
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: and refrain from doing something because that's a trap too.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Refraining is an action.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you refraining?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because you want to get enlightened.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're reaching.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: The nice thing about the Dharma is it has some really basic step-by-step instructions.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: And if you are fortunate enough to find a teacher you trust
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: and actually follow their instructions rather than pissing in them,
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: And changing them just a little bit for your comfort and deciding you're going
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: to do it with your eyes closed instead of open because that feels better.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: And, well, maybe I'll try this or that.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: if you just follow the instructions step by step without attempting
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: to get anything out of them,
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Following them in a relaxed and easy manner.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Even if enlightenment does not occur, you will still float
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: from ease into ease.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Are there questions?
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Just a few so far.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they're mostly enlightened this week.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's see what we have.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: I notice when I am in open awareness and watching and listening
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: to beautiful singers, I notice I don't feel as much emotion.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Why is this?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because emotions Emotion is entangled in thought.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Emotion is about the story you tell yourself about those being beautiful singers,
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: which is a story some people tell themselves about opera
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: and some people definitely don't.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: So without the story,
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: The emotions may simply arise and vanish, but they have nothing to stick to.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: If you really are in open awareness and not telling yourself stories
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: and not connecting the dots of the thoughts into phrases and paragraphs
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: and assessments of what's around you,
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: the reason you are feeling some emotions there is probably two.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_02: One, in that music itself tends to subliminally create certain feelings.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: And two is, you've still got a thought going on.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: You think it's beautiful music.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: If you are an opera lover, switch to off-tune
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_02: Irish sea shanties.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you are not an opera lover, try opera.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: Hell, try Klingon opera.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: Try listening to cats mating.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Or traffic.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: See what emotions arise there.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: See how labeling what you're listening to.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: See how the whooshing sound of a freeway
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: and the sound of the wind in the trees sounds the same.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: And if you think it's freeway, you feel one way about it.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: And if you think it's wind in trees, you feel a different way about it.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Story.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: Causing liking and disliking.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Duality, reaching for, shoving away.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: Is Shinne without an object?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is this Samatha Mahamudra?
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: It is in the Mahamudra teachings.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know Samatha.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's a Sanskrit word.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: Shinne Is where
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: you focus your attention on tawa, on mind itself, which is not an object.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: Just that,
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: without thoughts arising or feelings,
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: just the clear, pure, empty,
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: open stillness
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: of Dharmakaya nature of mind And you separate it from the arisings,
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: the moving, the flickering, dweebling, sparkling stuff.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: Later, after you have accomplished Shini without an object, you practice a practice.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking Mahamudra here.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: Called Trutra Naljur,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: which is the yoga of dancing stillness,
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: where you bring the clearly different moving and stillness together and realize
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: that they're the same thing.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: One person asked, what is the picture to your right hand on the table there, that illustration?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's an emotional mandala.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: I use it when teaching Working with Emotions,
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: and we will also get to a chapter on that much later.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_02: So it's with my text.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: What is the best way to find a good Dzogchen teacher?
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_02: Listen to many Zogchen teachers.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: See whose way of expressing it resonates for you.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Pay attention to any dreams or visions you have.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_02: And thoroughly, before attempting to cleave to anyone, check them out.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: Find out what their foibles are.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: Their idiosyncrasies.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: And decide whether you can live with those.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_02: Not to marry them, but whether their personality is acceptable to you.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: Unless
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: a dream or a vision has guided you to someone who is absolutely unacceptable to you.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: But that's a different story.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's like Naropa and Tilopa.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't happen that often, but it does sometimes.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: The more accepting you are,
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Of a vast range of personality idiosyncrasities.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, some teachers will screw everything with a hole in it.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: And some drink like a fish.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: And some eat meat.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I had one that was really seriously kinky.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: And
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_02: the broader your ability to accept these idiosyncrasities and not get stuck
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: in their personality,
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: but look where they're pointing, the better you're going to do.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you an example, Trungpa Rinpoche.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: Who had a reputation for pretty much having sex with anyone who holds still long enough.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: And drank like a fish and was really into his clothes.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_02: As his personality and so many of his students dressed up fancy
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: and drank like fishes and were promiscuous, whether that was their nature or not.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: But there was one student who couldn't do those things because she was a nun.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't get to dress up fancy.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: She wore robes.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't get to drink like a fish because she was a nun.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: And nuns are celibate, so she didn't get to do that either.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: So having no opportunity to attempt to copy his personality,
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: she had to look where he was pointing.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's Pema Chudan, a very, very excellent teacher out there in the world.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_02: Another method of finding your teacher
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: is to perform the finding my teacher practice
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: of body, speech and mind.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's not difficult.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: What you do is with your body, you facilitate others
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: meeting with their teachers.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: You might pay their airfare.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: You might give them a ride in your car.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you can find to do.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you rejoice when you do that, that they have met their teachers.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: With your speech, you recite the archetypical teacher Zogchen teacher mantra.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: A
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: lot.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: And you pray out loud.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: Pray is not may I. Pray is a statement of intent.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_02: I will continue to search for the teacher that suits me.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: I will find the teacher that suits me.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_02: I will do everything I can to find the teacher that suits me,
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_02: that has the ability to guide my mind
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_02: into the true open awareness,
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: undifferentiated between subject and object.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: You say it out loud.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't work if you think it to yourself.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta say it out loud.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: And with your mind, you think to yourself a lot.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_02: May all beings find the teacher who can liberate them.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_02: In whatever way they need, may all beings find the teacher who can liberate them.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: If you do this,
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: You will create the cause for stumbling upon a teacher who is appropriate for you.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: But please check them out anyway.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_02: Don't just grab the first one you meet that seems to be making sense.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: Accidents happen that way.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to be one of those accidents.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: Too many students and too many teachers, badly injured, By accidents of Samaya.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: Don't pick one until you're sure you can maintain Samaya with that personality.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't mean you can't leave.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_02: You can think to yourself after having been with a teacher for a time,
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: If this is not working for me, I'm going to move on.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't break Samaya.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: But if you think to yourself,
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: that teacher is a right idiot and I hate them,
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: and they are terrible, that breaks Samaya.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: Especially if you tell all your friends that.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: So that's how you do it.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not difficult.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Follow the instructions.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: Say the mantra.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_02: Perform actions to facilitate others meeting their teachers.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: And wish that all beings find the teacher who will liberate them.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_02: Works.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Which is better to do?
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: Ati Yoga, Guru Yoga, or Vajrayana Guru Yoga?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_02: Depends on the individual and what works for them.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: Either one is actually better if they both go to the same place.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: They're just very different methods.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: That would be a question I could not answer in a general like this
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: because I don't know who's asking it.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: How can we not get caught in duality?
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_02: You're already caught in duality.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: Just let go.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: That was a flippant answer.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Let me give you something better.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: You're already caught in duality.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's a matter of managing to get the cramp that holds it to release.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: But you've had that cramp for so damn long,
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: you are probably unable to imagine what it would feel like not to be cramped on
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_02: that.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, depending on what practices you are doing, do them.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_02: Frequently,
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: with joyful enthusiasm,
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_02: If the practice you are doing are not ones you can do with joyful enthusiasm,
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_02: talk to your teacher about shifting them because that's how they work better.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: For example,
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: the first time I did the Extraordinary Nundro,
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_02: I did it to be done with the Extraordinary Nundro because I wanted the good stuff
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: that comes next.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I did it.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: And then I went to my teacher and I finished.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you the good stuff.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: And he looked me up and he looked me down with an expression of great sadness on his face.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, oh, it didn't work.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_02: Do it again.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: The second time I really got into it.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: That is an amazing set of practices if you actually do them rather than trying
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: to have done them.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: I had all sorts of marvelous psychic adventures in that process.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was fun.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: When I actually...
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: Was doing it.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_00: Next question.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Please suggest some good books on Dzogchen slash Mahamudra.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_02: They don't work.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: You should not be attempting to learn this from books.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you are just looking for inspiration and have already been taught well
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: the practices of Dzogchen,
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: then Flight of the Garuda,
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: which we're working on here, the chapters up to The ones we've done.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: Don't read ahead.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_02: It'll distort what I say to you.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's a nice book of Zogchen poetry called Crystal Cave.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_02: There's some nice Zogchen poetry online at Lotzawa House that has been translated,
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: but please do not use this to learn Zogchen.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_02: if you are practicing Dzogchen and feel your practice needs refreshment,
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: then read the poetry, the songs of Dzogchen.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Refrain from trying to read the intellectually explained texts
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because they are all about
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: first a Lama and then a translator trying to put
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_02: into words what doesn't go in words.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: And if all you get is the words, you're going to get a distorted view.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: It is better not to think too much about Dzogchen.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: First, thinking about Dzogchen is utterly unsatisfying.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like thinking about pizza.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: Better to eat the damn thing.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: The same can be said for Dzogchen.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_02: So don't try to learn it from books.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_02: However, once you've had the pointing out
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're better off listening to different teachings for inspiration,
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: but not really changing your practice according to what you think was said.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense to you?
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll see what they come back with on that.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: Give me a different one for another question for the moment.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_00: On choosing teachers, can we see you as ours?
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_02: Provisionally, yes.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: I will work with you.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: You can see me that way, but you better be aware that I've got some real eccentricities.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if they are going to be a problem for you,
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_00: don't get too close.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'll work with you from a distance.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have a somewhat lumpy and prickly personality and a serious coffee addiction.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm non-binary and poly and seriously kinky too.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_02: If any of this is something you will discover later and it's going
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: to really bother you, I'm probably not the right one.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_02: And those are just a few of the things I can think of offhand.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there's more.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure the fact that I am Not very conversational
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_02: or social.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just an old cave yogi.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_02: I've had a few people get really pissed off because I wasn't giving them enough attention.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: Because I wasn't socializing with them enough.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_02: So if that's going to be a make or break for you, I'm not the right one.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Think about it.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy to be your provisional teacher without commitment on your side or mine
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_02: until we see what develops.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: It takes a few years of getting to know each other.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I won't actually stamp on your little fingers clinging to the cliff
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: with big boots until I know you better.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because that freaks people out.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes necessary, but it does freak people out.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: After enlightenment, is there still personality?
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: Did the Buddha have a personality?
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: It appears so.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: I've never met a Lama without a personality.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_02: But then I've never met a Lama who claimed to be fully enlightened.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: I did, however, receive a lovely question from Lama Yeshe, which pertains to this.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_02: He said, so what do you think, guys?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: Is this second moment of enlightenment going to be the same as the first moment,
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_02: or will it be different?
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes I really like Tibetan koans.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_02: Best answer I can give you on that is try it and see.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_00: Although a state of knowing is present in the unconscious,
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: likely pre-verbal memories, somatic patterns are still present.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_00: How to proceed?
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's a somatic pattern?
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know, Nyanda?
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_02: Google it real quick for me.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming it's some sort of physical pattern that's in the memory, like body memory.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: We can ask for clarification.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: Clarification on what's a somatic pattern.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: And what was the question again?
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_00: How do you proceed from there?
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like proceeding from a state of knowing in the unconscious.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: I am not sure what is being referred to here.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_02: Probably because I don't have a lot of Western psychological training.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hasn't been as an adult a subject of interest.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was while I was a child, but that was long ago.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I need a lot more clarification of terms here.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Let's try a different question while they're trying that.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Would you share some of your insights on how simple deity practices like Vajrasattva
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_00: or Tara or Guru Rinpoche can support Dzogchen practices?
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_02: In the beginning,
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: we have a tendency to separate the infinite, open,
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: empty awareness of Dharmakaya from its innate,
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: clear light vitality called Sambhogakaya.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_02: And those two from the manifestations of that,
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_02: the moving called Nirmanakaya, they're actually the same thing.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_02: However,
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_02: Westerners,
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_02: in my experience,
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_02: more than Tibetans,
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_02: have tended to be point-focused on phenomena,
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_02: nirmanakaya, or go to the other extreme of open awareness, dharmakaya.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Missing the innate vitality in the middle, Sambhogakaya.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it is actually necessary in Sogchen.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_02: Usually we think we're a phenomena, a person, a thingy, looking at open awareness.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, shift your identification to the vitality of open awareness.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Seeing both open awareness
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: and phenomena as part of that innate vitality.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_02: So experience yourself as Sambhogakaya.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_02: The symbol of Sambhogakaya are these archetypes, yiddems.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: And Sambhogakaya,
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_02: or rather Yudum practice,
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like the word deity,
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: but practice with the
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: archetypes,
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_02: very much practice with
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: The light of clear light,
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_02: the vitality using symbols to point at the totality of nature of mind.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_02: It works on the unconscious.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: So by practicing the different archetypes as Yidam,
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Where you actually identify with the archetype rather than ask it
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_02: for favors like Big Daddy in the sky.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_02: In every sadhana, the sadhana in the end dissolves into Zogcha.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_02: And you get up from your sadhana.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_02: In the awareness of Sambhogakaya
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: with clear perception,
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  SPEAKER_02: awareness,
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_02: feeling
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_02: of the infinite
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_02: openness and the insubstantial transient dance of phenomena
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_02: as the mandala of the deity.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: You, your mandala.
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_02: And by this method,
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_02: your attention is drawn to open awareness without the interference
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_02: of your nitpicky conscious mind.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: So it works good.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So we have some clarification on the somatics.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Somatics is a field within bodywork and movement studies
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: which emphasizes internal physical perception and experience.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: So to go back to the question,
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: even though you have access to that knowledge, how do you proceed in your practice?
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_02: I have no idea.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: I would just put that knowledge down and start a new track.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_02: But that's me.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't know how to mix that track with Zogchen
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_02: because I'm not familiar enough with that track.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_02: However, Zogchen practitioner who practices somatics is Julie Henderson.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Very fine Lama.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_02: You might ask her.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_02: She might have the answer for you.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_02: She probably has some presence on Google or something, I don't know.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Is it possible to find Tawa without having realized Shine, i.e.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_00: to find Tawa without it?
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, through the pointing out instructions when it's telepathically transmitted by a teacher.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_02: You do not have to have realized Shine.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_02: In Zogchen,
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sine is not required to realize Tawa.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_02: In Mahamudra, Sine is part of the method for realizing Tawa.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_02: So it just depends on whether you belong in Dzogchen or Chagchen.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_02: If you like Sine and you're pretty good at it, probably you'll do well with Chagchen.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: If you've been busting your ass to attain Sine and it hasn't worked, Go for Zogchen.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Some people never get Shine until after quite some time.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_00: When resting in Rigpa, I sometimes worry I'm not actually doing so.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_02: If you're worrying, you're not resting in Rigpa.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're having thoughts.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_02: They're made of the same thing as all the other thoughts.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Look.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's true.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_02: If you think you're enlightened, you're having an oops.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_02: But if you think you're not enlightened, it's the same oops.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_02: You're believing a frigging fucking thought.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Cut that out.
• 1:17:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what they're made of.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_02: So if a worry about not being doing it right arises, see that thought for what it is.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grab it and slather it all over yourself.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a thought.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_02: They happen.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know how many times I think I'm an absolute idiot and have no right to be a llama?
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_02: About as many times as I think I'm a really good llama.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_02: Those are thoughts.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have to listen to them.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: Shit happens.
• 1:18:13
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to roll in it.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: You're always going to have thoughts.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's part of being alive.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to take them so seriously.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_00: You have been in my dreams recently, but I'm currently a student of Lama Oli Nidal.
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_00: What do these dreams indicate?
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, first,
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: from my side,
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: in the way I perceive things,
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_02: student-teacher relationship does not have to be monogamous.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_02: However, Uli's an old friend from way back, like when we were both crazy kids in the Dharma.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I have heard that Uli does like monogamy with his students.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sure how to share with someone monogamous.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Generally,
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_02: as far as having affairs go, for me,
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_02: I do not generally have affairs with people
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_02: in committed monogamous relationship only with other polys and singles.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's kindness.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not sure how to address that.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know I do a lot of dream work.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy to share you with Uli and do some dream work with you
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: and have him do some work with you.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it's all good.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's all Dharma.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: But you might want to check in how he feels about that.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now, it isn't Uli who told me that He prefers not to share students.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_02: He thinks it confuses them.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's someone else, so I don't even know if it's true.
• 1:20:23
  SPEAKER_02: But just check in.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_02: He may have a plan, and I don't want to stick my toe in it.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough?
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's quite a good Lama,
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: even if he has gotten himself entangled in Tibetan politics occasionally.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_02: But Tibetan politics are weird.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Not as bad as American politics, but weird anyway.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see how to phrase this.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Imagining a pickle or a train station and asking where that thought is isn't working anymore.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can reach it when I'm looking into your eyes and when you're talking about it,
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_00: but can't accomplish it on my own.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Get a picture of me.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_02: And some videotapes.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Use the tape until you can reach it and then shut the tape off and stay with it.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: See,
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_02: let a couple come out of it for a minute or two and then see if you can do it again
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_02: because it's nice and fresh.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm told it cans well.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't been watching my own tapes and wouldn't be able to tell if I did.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'd just have even more Nan talk about whether I was any good or not,
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: which is really silly because those are just thoughts.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, they're going to happen anyway, but why should I stimulate them?
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_02: And was there a spot on my nose?
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: And was my hair doing something stupid?
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know,
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_02: all the thoughts that women get and guys get and other people get
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_02: when they're watching a film of themselves.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I haven't bothered.
• 1:22:13
  SPEAKER_02: I would say since that method isn't working, I'm gonna try with you another method.
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have,
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming you have either a window that allows you to see the sky or a terrace or
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_02: a porch or something, or you can get to a sky view.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_02: Sit with your channels in alignment
• 1:22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And your eyes resting an inch or so above the horizon, half open and unfocused.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's easier to unfocus on empty sky.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Take a deep breath in through your nose.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Exhale slowly like a sigh.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Relax your focus and just sit there.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_02: As thoughts arise, don't follow them.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let them arise and subside as they do.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: As feelings of hope, of wanting, of fear, of restlessness, all these emotions arise.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grab any of them.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: Just let them do that.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try to fix anything.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_02: As
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: bright sparklies and drifting bubbles arise in your vision,
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_02: Don't follow them with your eyeballs.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try to catch a look at them.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Leave them be.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Relax.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Put it in neutral gear.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try to find anything.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_02: Don't follow any ideas.
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Don't grasp anything.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just sit there for five minutes.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_02: And then let's talk again.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_02: Try that a number of times.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_02: But you need to be able to have
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_02: Empty, open sky.
• 1:25:20
  SPEAKER_02: If clouds drift in, that's okay.
• 1:25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Don't follow them with your eyes.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_02: Don't make stories about what the patterns look like.
• 1:25:29
  SPEAKER_02: If those stories arise, let them happen and let them vanish again.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Completely relaxed mind.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_02: Just sit there.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_00: If I have an easier time letting go after smoking a bowl of pie,
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_00: is that something that is fundamentally problematic?
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to have to rely on substances to relax my mind.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_02: And to some extent that is a relying on substances.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_02: As long as you don't only practice
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_02: after smoking a bowl.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_02: It should be alright.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_02: But if I were you,
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would do practices in the morning without if you're going to have one in
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_02: the evening.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_02: But don't run on it all day.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_02: See if you can remember,
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_02: notice, when you've had a bowl, how you hold your body and energy channels.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_02: See if you can return to that pattern when sober.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not against the use of power plants and
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_02: However, I am against becoming dependent on them in one's practice.
• 1:27:23
  SPEAKER_02: So occasionally fine, but don't make a habit of it.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_02: Try not to make a habit of anything.
• 1:27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Are strange experiences or visions while meditating just an experience
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: or could they be something good or bad, auspicious or inauspicious?
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_02: Mostly they are just an experience.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_02: Occasionally they are ways that your subconscious tells you something.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_02: For example,
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_02: I discovered once many,
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_02: many years ago while meditating an illness in a certain part of my body.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_02: I had a funny smell from that part of my body, which is how I recognized it.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't a real smell.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_02: It was just that's how I interpreted the sensation.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I went to a doctor and got it dealt with.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_02: So sometimes your unconscious is informing you of something relevant.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the time they're just like dreams passing through, but some dreams can be relevant.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Some dreams can tell you what you're really worried about.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Some dreams can actually be communications and get teachings in them and with teachers.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes the visions while practicing can include teachings from teachers.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_02: So there's not one answer, but mostly they're just nyams.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_02: Very few of them are more than that, but occasionally it happens.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's the best answer I can give.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_02: There's no like across the board one way or another.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Is it possible to attain enlightenment without a teacher?
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, but it doesn't have to be a living teacher.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_02: Garobdurji was enlightened with teachings from Vajrasattva.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_02: The Buddha,
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Guru Shakyamuni Buddha,
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  SPEAKER_02: was enlightened by his own efforts,
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_02: as was Gongpa Nuo and all the ones before.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_02: So it is possible, but extremely rare,
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Very few historical occurrences.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking of Garadorji.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Guru Shakyamuni.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a couple of the original Bon, Tongpa Miwo.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_02: I've got three occurrences in...
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_02: 30,000 years?
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's unlikely that it will happen to you.
• 1:31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Next.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody's saying I missed their question.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Ernie Williamson, if you can type it back into the form, I can read it to Lama Lena.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_00: The other questions have to do with meditating on the sky.
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Can you meditate simply lying down and looking up at the sky?
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Not usually.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Most people will simply fall asleep in that position.
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's better to do it sitting.
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_00: One other question about the sky practice.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Plenty of tiny twirling lights appear when I practice finding Tala on blue sky.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Should I look at them to extend not thinking?
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Be them.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_02: Those are the manifestation of Sambhogakaya, the sparkle of the clear light.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Do not separate them from you and relax.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_02: They're called Rika.
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and I've got the one question left unless people have more.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, go ahead because I'm getting tired too.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Are visions of Togil visions from memory slash karma
• 1:32:51
  SPEAKER_00: or are they occurring outside time and space?
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_02: I am not discussing Togel on Facebook.
• 1:33:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, email me with what practice you are doing and who taught it to you,
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_02: if you're doing that practice.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_02: It is considered a secret practice.
• 1:33:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm willing to discuss it with you privately, but not to put it out here.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Very few people in this teaching are in a position to make use of it.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Then we are complete for today.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all remember we're on song six next time we get together.
• 1:33:48
  SPEAKER_02: So practice.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is a teaching text.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's designed to be taught slowly over time.
• 1:33:59
  SPEAKER_02: It builds on your practice as you follow along.
• 1:34:08
  SPEAKER_02: Your practice now is to
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_02: not grab and follow
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Things you think are outside of yourself.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_02: Your thoughts.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_02: See, we don't say, I am my thoughts.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_02: We say, I have thoughts.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_02: There's you and what you're thinking.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're disassociated.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's you and what you're feeling.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_02: You have feelings.
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_02: You have perceptions rather than you are a clump of thoughts,
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_02: feelings,
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_02: and perceptions continuously changing through time,
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_02: interacting with phenomena and being changed by it.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's nobody in there.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_02: Just practice sitting there and not following your thoughts.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Not pointing your focus at what you're feeling
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_02: or perceiving,
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_02: which is why I don't want your eyes following the little sparklies in the sky.
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Eureka, don't follow them.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Don't try that.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_02: It will just distract you.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_02: They're a phenomenon.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: A visual phenomena.
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_02: You see them.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_02: Your eyeballs are having a sensation.
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: And you're thinking about it,
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_02: wondering about it,
• 1:36:04
  SPEAKER_02: feeling a bit of an attraction to it, wanting to do something with it.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Don't.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Just leave them be.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_02: And relax.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_02: With your channels in alignment,
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Without constantly describing everything you're doing to yourself in words
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_02: and nattering on at yourself,
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_02: just shut up
• 1:36:29
  SPEAKER_02: and sit there, relaxed
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_02: and rest
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_02: from your pursuit of happiness.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Just a little break.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_02: A few times a day.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_02: Take a break from chasing your tail.
• 1:36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Ge-wan-di-hir-nyur-du-dao.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Che-che-sa-la.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_02: We are complete for today.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_02: I will see you all next time.