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Why You Need to be A MITOchondriac Part 2 with Dr. Christabelle Yeoh · Hardiness with Dr Paul Taylor

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Speaker 1: In the mitochondrias all from mom, so you get your
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Speaker 1: mother's bio energetic genes. This is why we get so
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Speaker 1: much autism with each generation, because moms are not healthy anymore.
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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, welcome to part two of the podcast with Christa.
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Speaker 5: Bell, where we explore the magic of your mitochondria and
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Speaker 5: a little bit more detail and importantly get to actionable
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Speaker 5: strategies that everybody can do to improve their mitochondrial function
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Speaker 5: and therefore their overall physical and mental health.
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Speaker 4: Enjoy going to get pretty complicated here because we're going.
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Speaker 2: To talk about complex four.
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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about critosome seoxides, But listeners just
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Speaker 4: hang with us here.
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Speaker 2: This will get a little bit technical.
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Speaker 4: But for me, I mean I've only really dug into
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Speaker 4: the impact of light, red light and particularly near infra
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Speaker 4: red light on our health and particularly mitochondria in the
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Speaker 4: last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: Talk to our.
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Speaker 4: Listeners through this because it's pretty freaking fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're probably going to tell us more
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Speaker 1: than what I can tell you, Paul, because I'm not
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Speaker 1: across all of the light spectral frequencies that do the
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Speaker 1: different things in the cyt currency of todays and so on,
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Speaker 1: I usually refer to my good friend and colleague Nathan Styles.
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Speaker 1: Have you heard him speak? So he is my light light,
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Speaker 1: my spectral light frequency, and I've got all his slides
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Speaker 1: and all the different amazing frequencies that trigger everything across
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Speaker 1: the sun, all the light frequencies as the sun moves
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Speaker 1: across the sky. And nature is amazing because it's so specific,
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Speaker 1: Like every single frequency has got a receptor in our
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Speaker 1: body across different protein receptor sites, hormones, they look like
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Speaker 1: certain nutrients. They trigger these pathways that pathways. You can
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Speaker 1: bring it down all to which light frequency as to
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Speaker 1: what metabolic pathways you want to trigger. So I don't
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Speaker 1: have all the numbers and the receptors and things in
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Speaker 1: my head. I just know that we need to be
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Speaker 1: exposed to the light across the whole spectrum.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm professor kront school. Thing.
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Speaker 4: He sent me a paper that just blew my mind
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Speaker 4: that shows that light actually has quantum effects on ourselves. Right,
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Speaker 4: so we know it stimulates the mitochondria, does lots. You know,
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Speaker 4: vitamin D. Everybody knows Sunlight's really important. But as you say,
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Speaker 4: the different colors are different frequencies in light. We now
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Speaker 4: I know that red lights, I think it's like sticks
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Speaker 4: under the seven seven point fifty is really good for
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Speaker 4: the skin. And then the near infra red stuff actually
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Speaker 4: penetrates the skin and stimulates the mitochondria, and particularly I
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Speaker 4: think it's complex for the mitochondria, gets the mitochondria to
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Speaker 4: then release nitric oxide, helps with the respiratory chine antiox
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Speaker 4: and anti inflammatory. Like, it's crazy. Shit, what light can
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Speaker 4: do in the body.
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Speaker 1: Is It is crazy. It's a different color for each
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Speaker 1: of the electron transport chains, and.
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Speaker 2: I never thought about it like that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's I just wanted to laugh when you
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Speaker 1: said about the red light with skin because I've been
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Speaker 1: watching this. I mean I've been look I've been into
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Speaker 1: light for about ten years and looking at Michael Webber's
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Speaker 1: light treatments. We do intravenous light therapy the light. Intravenous
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Speaker 1: light therapy goes across all the spectrums of the colors
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Speaker 1: of the light to feed the CREB cycle, the different
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Speaker 1: electron transport chain stuff like that. It's anyway, it's all
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Speaker 1: good fun. The Germans have been looking at it for ages,
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Speaker 1: you know, Michael Webber, and we've been looking at it
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Speaker 1: with complex conditions, neological diseases. How do you solve all
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Speaker 1: these difficult problems?
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Speaker 6: But I love it that it's the skin that everyone
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Speaker 6: is suddenly Wow, did you know red light's so good?
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Speaker 1: Because you look your skin looks so good? Like, yes,
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Speaker 1: I should have started with the skin in the first place,
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Speaker 1: not all these difficult unseen things. But anyway, that all
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Speaker 1: the different colors, all the different spectral frequencies, even in
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Speaker 1: each band of color, speaks even more deeply, not just
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Speaker 1: the mitochondria and energy, but also to different receptor sites
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Speaker 1: a US saying in our cells, our hormones, all these
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Speaker 1: different metabolic pathways. And the other week I was reading
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Speaker 1: this amazing paper. It's I think it's already two or
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Speaker 1: three years old. They're talking about optogenetic light switches. So
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Speaker 1: they're studying different light frequencies to switch on and switch
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Speaker 1: off mitochondrial light receptors, so optogenetic switches. So they're going
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Speaker 1: to find exactly the frequency to turn on your metabolism
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Speaker 1: so that you can burn that faster and do this
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Speaker 1: and do that better. Like I can't wait till that
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Speaker 1: comes out. But then I don't think Big Farmer is
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Speaker 1: going to be able to capture that one, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, genesis that really like it's there's depths to this,
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Speaker 4: Clearly there's levels to this, and yeah, some of the research,
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Speaker 4: but just understanding that the light can actually penetrate the
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Speaker 4: body and directly activate the mighty quandary is pretty amazing.
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Speaker 4: And as you said, hormones and all sorts of stuff,
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Speaker 4: and this is why it's important to get out into
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Speaker 4: the friggin sun.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: I think we've gone too far in this country with
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Speaker 4: the slop slip. I always get that wrong slip stop slop,
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Speaker 4: slop stop slip, whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: But you know the fact that I think it's more
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Speaker 2: than thirty percent of austreamings. You might know the number
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Speaker 2: better than me, but a.
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Speaker 4: Vitamin D deficiency or insufficiency. I mean, it's comparable to
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Speaker 4: Bloody Scotland and Northern Highland for this justin fragginshy. But
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Speaker 4: people don't realize the imp it's not just strenam indeed,
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Speaker 4: but it's just the impact on hormones, in the impact
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Speaker 4: of mitochondria. With saying impacts on mood or metabolic heals
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Speaker 4: all of these things right.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, I mean that's been the big focus of a
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Speaker 1: lot of my misochondrial talks in the last several years,
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Speaker 1: is just get your light environment right as a starting point,
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Speaker 1: because also I think that it is a very good
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Speaker 1: opening point, you know how, and you do something maybe
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Speaker 1: more high up rather than top down. Then if you
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Speaker 1: get that, well you do something more top down rather
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Speaker 1: than bottom up. I'm meant, then that top down signal
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Speaker 1: can help a lot of levels below. And I think
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Speaker 1: I think that light is just that huge top down signal.
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Speaker 1: And I see that in my patients. I say to them,
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Speaker 1: look apart from the sunrise the sunset, go outside. I
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Speaker 1: say to people, please clock in through the day, literally
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Speaker 1: clock in. Get your eyes to see the sun. That
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Speaker 1: tells your brain, clock, your cicading rhythm, what time it is,
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Speaker 1: that sets up your metabolism and so on. But also
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Speaker 1: just you know that light going in through your eyes,
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Speaker 1: which is well your photo most of your photo receptors
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Speaker 1: are through your eyes. Chuck away your sunglasses. That's what
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Speaker 1: I hate seeing people wearing sunglasses and that body clock.
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Speaker 1: So what I was saying is, if we get the
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Speaker 1: light environment right, what I found I see in my
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Speaker 1: patients is they just naturally start to be able to
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Speaker 1: do the next thing I'm asking them to do. Start
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Speaker 1: to move, start to exercise. Oh, you're suddenly motivated to
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Speaker 1: get your diet better. Whereas before we like having to
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Speaker 1: hammer this thing. But if you can get some top
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Speaker 1: down signals right, and people just innately inside them feel
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Speaker 1: better because this whole sensory environment how I experience myself,
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Speaker 1: my body, my light, my space just feels better. It's like,
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Speaker 1: oh now I feel like doing this, Now I feel
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Speaker 1: like doing that. I found that things just unfold better.
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Speaker 1: So I always insist on the enlightened environment with my patients.
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Speaker 1: And then in my lectures, yes, I can go on
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Speaker 1: about mitochondria pathways, but in the end, can you just
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Speaker 1: go home and fix your lighting?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I never thought about it from a top
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Speaker 4: time perspective. Actually, that's a that's a really good point
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Speaker 4: at the fundamentals, right, and things flow. I need to
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Speaker 4: diet more into like I do want to talk about
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Speaker 4: because when you mentioned it, I'm like, oh, that sounds
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Speaker 4: pretty interesting my to con psychobiology.
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Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about that. And then just with what
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Speaker 1: you just said, I was wanting to say that, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that top down is really about how your brain feels
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Speaker 1: and senses the world that we live in. Let's go
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Speaker 1: out in nature, let's get the light. That's all a
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Speaker 1: very sensory, very lived experience. You can't read that in
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Speaker 1: a book, you can't just watch that on TV. Like.
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Speaker 1: You have to move it, you have to live it,
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Speaker 1: you have to smell it, you have to feel it.
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Speaker 1: And light is a sensory input. So the brain is
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Speaker 1: a sensory organ And just as you move your muscles
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Speaker 1: for plasticity of your muscles and mitobiogenesis of the mitochondria
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Speaker 1: in your muscles, you want to put a lot of
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Speaker 1: those inputs into your brain for that plasticity and experience
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Speaker 1: of your brain in the same way that you experience
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Speaker 1: your body and your muscles and the whole sensory motor
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Speaker 1: input through your postures and your actions and so on. So, right,
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Speaker 1: sound your thoughts, what people say to you, what you're
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Speaker 1: listening to. Is your TV on in the background, Is
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Speaker 1: CNN telling you.
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Speaker 2: All the awful negative shit?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's inputs, right, it's inputs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So sensory input, I think is a big part
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Speaker 1: of what you want to lead to, which is mitochondrial psychobiology.
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Speaker 1: So mitochondrial psychobiology is Martin Picard's lab. Martin Picard is
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Speaker 1: a wonderful mitochondrial researcher as well. He was Doug Wallace's
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Speaker 1: PhD student. Doug Wallace was the mitochondrial researcher that understood
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Speaker 1: that mitochondria will maternally inherited, so we get them purely
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Speaker 1: from our mothers.
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. You said that
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Speaker 4: in your talk. It's mum that passes on the mitochondria, right,
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Speaker 4: because their genes are independent.
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Speaker 1: That's right. So you get well from the nuclear genetics
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Speaker 1: one from one from dad, but in the mitochondrids or
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Speaker 1: from mom, so you get your you get your mother's
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Speaker 1: bio energetic genes. And that's why it's very common to
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Speaker 1: see through family history it's the moms and the daughters
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Speaker 1: that have the chronic fatigue that have that the different
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Speaker 1: fatigue type syndromes. And then also I think that this
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Speaker 1: would be related that you know, this is why we
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Speaker 1: get so much autism with each generation because moms are
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Speaker 1: not healthy anymore and we're having babies older and older.
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Speaker 1: I get that that is a whole modern lifestyle decision.
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Speaker 1: But nature and modern lifestyles, that's your mismatch. That is
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Speaker 1: what Robert Navio talks about. It's a mitochondrial environmental mismatch.
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Speaker 1: One was through nature was doing this, but in modern
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Speaker 1: day we're doing that. And so that whole mismatch is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, we were supposed to probably have babies in
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Speaker 1: our teens and twenties when the mitochondrias are really young,
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Speaker 1: and don't have not young young, but you know, don't
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Speaker 1: have as much mutation and don't have as much heteroplasma
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Speaker 1: which I mentioned, which is simply environmental toxins and radiations
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Speaker 1: and the normal environmental stress which would normally mutate on
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Speaker 1: mitochondrial genes. That's normal, but the accumulation of it over
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Speaker 1: decades and then having a baby at forty that's stressful
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Speaker 1: for the next generation.
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Speaker 4: Interesting because there was some recent research that I read
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Speaker 4: I think I talked about in the podcast and I
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Speaker 4: can't remember the number, but maternal overWe it it's significantly
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Speaker 4: impacting upon autism spectrum disorders and other things like ADHD.
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Speaker 4: And that makes sense from what you just said, is
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Speaker 4: that especially.
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Speaker 2: You know, we have declining health. We are more and
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Speaker 2: more over weird.
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Speaker 4: But as you said, women are tending to have child
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Speaker 4: help children later. And then not only do you everybody
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Speaker 4: know who said it's a lot harder to states tram
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Speaker 4: and fit in your thirties and thirties and forties than
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Speaker 4: it is when you're in your teens and early twenties.
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Speaker 4: But I didn't think about the cumulative damage at a
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Speaker 4: cellular level and on the mitochondria. And presumably then there's
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Speaker 4: some sort of epigenetic effects from the mitoch It's not
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Speaker 4: just the genes that are going but an epigenetic effect
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Speaker 4: from the mitochondria perspective.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the epigenetic effect of our lifestyle, our artificial light,
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Speaker 1: blue light, toxic stress, you know, five G radiation, Those
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Speaker 1: are all the sorts of things that are stressful on genes.
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Speaker 1: So then when the mother's mitochondrial genes and epigenetics are
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Speaker 1: not that healthy and they're passing that all down to
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Speaker 1: the next generation, and what's happening to the generation after that,
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Speaker 1: that is the epigenetics going on in the mitochondria. And
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Speaker 1: that's why we're seeing more and more allergies, autism, add ADHD,
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Speaker 1: autoimmune So those are the five a's that in environmental
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Speaker 1: medicine we talk about a lot, and this is all
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Speaker 1: very well established, very well known in environmental medicine in
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Speaker 1: the last few decades. I'm just bringing the focus more
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Speaker 1: to it's the effect through the mitochondrial genetics too, because
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Speaker 1: when you've got heteroplasmi, which is when the mitochondrial genes mutate,
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Speaker 1: they can change back. They change and change back all
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Speaker 1: the time. They're very they're very plastic. So it's just
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Speaker 1: the true epigenetics that integrated doctors like us like to
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Speaker 1: talk about, is that you can change your environment and
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Speaker 1: your whole condition and your whole health outcomes will be
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Speaker 1: completely different. It's it is quite plastic, but at that
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Speaker 1: mitochondria level, I think it's even more plastic. But it's
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Speaker 1: plastic through generations. So it's like nether lives their life
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Speaker 1: well through a whole life lifetime and has a baby well,
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Speaker 1: and then that child grows up, lives a lifetime well
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Speaker 1: through their whole lifetime. And in the last few decades,
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Speaker 1: just the last few decades, we've just seen such a
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Speaker 1: crazy increase in environmental toxins and stress, and I think
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Speaker 1: mitochondria are really seriously copying it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the mitochondria.
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Speaker 4: Let's come back to the mitochondrial psychobiology. So let's then
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Speaker 4: talk about how this manifest from a psychological perspective when
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Speaker 4: your mitochondria is not functioning. Well, I'm tipping that that's
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Speaker 4: what mitochondrial psychobiology is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you should interview Martin Pickard because
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Speaker 1: he is still just doing the research, and the research
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Speaker 1: is in the very early days, but it is pointing
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Speaker 1: to that just how your mind frame is. So let's
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Speaker 1: say in a week, you might wake up like really
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Speaker 1: bright and chirpy three days a week, and like just
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Speaker 1: normal two days a week, and then maybe really sad
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Speaker 1: or something's really got you down, or you just or
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Speaker 1: wake up on the wrong side of bed two days
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Speaker 1: a week. And they're doing some work that's showing that
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Speaker 1: just how you feel that day will change your bioenergetics.
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Speaker 1: Bio energetics bio energetics meaning how well is your redox
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Speaker 1: capacity going through the mitochondria, how well will you do
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Speaker 1: that whole energy exchange, you know, atp energy all of that.
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Speaker 1: So he's obviously deep into the metabolism and biology of that,
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Speaker 1: but he's now bringing in how does the mind also
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Speaker 1: change that it's a top down, bottom up change.
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Speaker 7: Right, I was going to ask, I presume it's a
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Speaker 7: two way thing, right, because Chris Palmer has shown you
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Speaker 7: damage your mitochondria, you're more likely to get our whole
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Speaker 7: hopes of brand conditions.
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Speaker 4: And with Brian, let's include mental health as weever near
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Speaker 4: to generate diseases. But you know what you're saying now
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Speaker 4: is that your psychological stee it can then impact your
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Speaker 4: bio energetics. Now that makes sense because we know that
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Speaker 4: your psychological steate it can change the composition about microbio.
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Speaker 4: We know that it can release inflammatory markers as well,
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Speaker 4: which then can impact widespread threating body. So it's not
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Speaker 4: a crazy lead to suggest that it would affect how
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Speaker 4: your magic dria function.
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Speaker 1: That's right. It's just it's very new in actually being
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Speaker 1: mapped out in research in the publications. I know it
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Speaker 1: makes sense to you and me, but this is just
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Speaker 1: what they're starting to find out. And it's not to
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Speaker 1: say that, oh, someone with a significant mitochondrial disorder, if
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Speaker 1: you just well just make yourself feel better, you know,
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Speaker 1: do some laughter, younger and laugh and things like that.
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Speaker 1: But I know It's not as simple as that, because
18:50
Speaker 1: people out there definitely are struggling with some really difficult diseases.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to impress upon people is that,
18:58
Speaker 1: you know, mitochondria, bio energetics is a native It adds
19:02
Speaker 1: up everything. Everything you do counts. It's not just your nutrition.
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Speaker 1: That time is sleep, the light, the nature, the water
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Speaker 1: you drink, how well you detox your body, how much
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Speaker 1: you sweat, how much cold you do. It's like we
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Speaker 1: stack it, right. So nowadays we talk about biostacking. We
19:18
Speaker 1: don't talk about biohacking.
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Speaker 2: Right of stacking.
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Speaker 1: I like it. Biohacking is last decade.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it has real world implications for people.
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Speaker 2: Right, So let's make this real.
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Speaker 4: It's getting back to what you said earlier on about
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Speaker 4: the inputs, right. And so if we just take the
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Speaker 4: mitochondary of psychobiology, if people are listening to lots of
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Speaker 4: news stuff, right, all the negative news stuff. Human beings
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Speaker 4: were not designed to hear about all the terrible atrocities
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Speaker 4: that are happening to millions of people around the world, right,
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Speaker 4: that's not what we are designed. But then also, and
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Speaker 4: particularly when you think about our teenagers, spending a lot
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Speaker 4: of time on social media, and especially this upwards comparison,
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Speaker 4: which I think is really toxic.
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Speaker 2: You know, when we were kids, the.
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Speaker 4: Natural condition to the brain is to compare yourself to others,
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Speaker 4: particularly when you're a teenager, because you're trying to work
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Speaker 4: out your place in the tribe. We were exposed to
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Speaker 4: maybe one hundred other teenagers at our school around the
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Speaker 4: scene age of us. But no people are exposed to thousands,
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Speaker 4: and they're seeing the best little herb brush snapshots of
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Speaker 4: people who are more handsome, more pretty, more successful, more
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Speaker 4: lean than them. And then that creates just negative energy,
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Speaker 4: which then is going to impact upon your mitochondria negatively,
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Speaker 4: so that in and of itself is shit house for
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Speaker 4: your microcongreer.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a medical term.
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Speaker 4: But then you add in exposure to all of these
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Speaker 4: environmental toxins, ultra process foods, lack of physical activity, lack
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Speaker 4: of sunlight, it's not hard to see how modern life
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Speaker 4: is toxic to the mitochondria.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't put it better than that. That is tough.
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Speaker 1: That is the real world, and that's why the more
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Speaker 1: we educate people, and that's why this is amazing. This
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Speaker 1: podcast that you do because it's teaching the generations. And
21:21
Speaker 1: for me, I'm treating very sick and very chronic difficult patients.
21:24
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to pull together every single little ten
21:28
Speaker 1: to fifteen to twenty percent of things that could be
21:31
Speaker 1: different to help them mitochondrial bio energetics. And so that's
21:35
Speaker 1: why I'll come back to what I was saying. I
21:37
Speaker 1: know it's no fun to be in a lot of
21:40
Speaker 1: chronic pain and deal with a big condition, but one
21:45
Speaker 1: still has to change the immediate environment. Sensory felt lived,
21:49
Speaker 1: moved environment around them.
21:52
Speaker 4: I like that sensory felt lived, moved environment. That's pretty cool.
21:56
Speaker 4: There's a couple of other things I want to talk
21:57
Speaker 4: to if if I can just get a little bit more, because.
22:00
Speaker 2: I'm loving this conversation.
22:01
Speaker 4: So I want people to walk away with an understanding
22:04
Speaker 4: about how they can improve their mitochondrial health. Right, So
22:08
Speaker 4: before we go high level, so we we'll get into
22:12
Speaker 4: again that's the whole century lived environment, but let's really
22:16
Speaker 4: talk about the mitochondrial complexes and how nutrition and nutrients
22:22
Speaker 4: play into those different complexes. Right, Because my understanding is
22:27
Speaker 4: that the bee vinamins, some of the bee vinamins are
22:29
Speaker 4: really important in this we know, I think, and I
22:33
Speaker 4: was going to ask you about this, if NAD has
22:37
Speaker 4: an impact on complex one, and then we know that
22:41
Speaker 4: red light has an impact on complex four. So what
22:44
Speaker 4: are some of the things that people should be thinking
22:45
Speaker 4: about nutritionally to support their magochondrial health.
22:51
Speaker 1: Okay, so nutritionally, so just food, I would start off
22:57
Speaker 1: with what time you eat, I would say, or eat
23:00
Speaker 1: daylight hours, because what time you eat is setting up
23:04
Speaker 1: your cicaian rhythms, and your circadian rhythms do also talk
23:07
Speaker 1: to your mitochondria pathways. So it's not what you eat
23:10
Speaker 1: just it's also what time you eat. And so to
23:13
Speaker 1: set out what time you eat, I think it's always
23:15
Speaker 1: a good breakfast. And then if you're trying to fast
23:18
Speaker 1: because there is weight fat to be burned and weight
23:21
Speaker 1: to be lost, and fast at night, which is the
23:24
Speaker 1: other way to what people like to do because of convenience.
23:28
Speaker 2: So I'm wee on that one, by the way.
23:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, breakfast like a king, right, yes? Or skip it?
23:37
Speaker 1: So time what time you eat? And then the next
23:41
Speaker 1: thing I'd moved to is the macro nutrient ratio. So
23:45
Speaker 1: the macro nutrient ratio is fat, carbs, proteins, and in
23:50
Speaker 1: the modern world, carves has become a bit of an
23:54
Speaker 1: enemy now. It didn't used to be, so I don't
23:57
Speaker 1: want to say like all carps is bad. Didn't use
24:00
Speaker 1: to be. And I remember ten years ago, is traveling
24:03
Speaker 1: in Bhutan, and you know, I'm like, everyone needs to
24:06
Speaker 1: be low carb, Like everyone's got metabolic syndrome. All my
24:09
Speaker 1: patients and metabolic syndrome, and they do. And then I
24:12
Speaker 1: go to Bhutan and they're all eating huge piles of
24:15
Speaker 1: rice and that's right. There's no one overweight here, you know.
24:20
Speaker 1: And I means like giant mountain men eating huge piles
24:24
Speaker 1: of rice and they're out in nature and they're walking around.
24:26
Speaker 1: So I realized, oh, yeah, it's only when our mitochondria
24:31
Speaker 1: are in this modern environment blue light, toxic, not moving,
24:35
Speaker 1: not exercising, then you need to eat lower carb. So
24:39
Speaker 1: for some people that need to be very low carb
24:41
Speaker 1: depends on how what kind of mitochondria, genetics, and what
24:45
Speaker 1: the microbiome is like. And for some people they can
24:48
Speaker 1: eat much more, especially if they're moving it exercising. So
24:52
Speaker 1: macro nutrients would be really think about the carbohydrate and
24:56
Speaker 1: then really topping up on the protein and then topping
24:59
Speaker 1: up on heaps of five and good fats. So macronutrient
25:03
Speaker 1: would be next.
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, cool, let's do that.
25:06
Speaker 1: So that's time you eat, then the macronutrient, then the micronutrients,
25:10
Speaker 1: so that would be the vitamins and the minerals. So
25:12
Speaker 1: I wouldn't jump straight to saying take the supplement, take
25:15
Speaker 1: that supplement. But does depend on someone's age and stage
25:19
Speaker 1: and do they have a condition and what are they're
25:21
Speaker 1: trying to achieve. But if their nutrition is good with
25:25
Speaker 1: a lot of nutrient density of you know, I think
25:28
Speaker 1: liver is really good. I think humans should eat omnivorous,
25:32
Speaker 1: So I do think that liver has got a lot
25:35
Speaker 1: of bee vitamins. And if you eat enough protein, then
25:39
Speaker 1: you get lots of your carnotene and you're tourine, so
25:43
Speaker 1: those are nutrients important for the mitochondria. You get lots
25:46
Speaker 1: of your creatine and then if you eat lots of vegetables,
25:51
Speaker 1: nutzis and you're getting your minerals and you electrolytes. But
25:54
Speaker 1: let's face it, like today's modern agriculture, the food is
25:58
Speaker 1: really quite depleted quite a lot of things, The soils
26:01
Speaker 1: are quite deplete, nutrients. So if someone was really really
26:06
Speaker 1: super well and doesn't need any supplement, I would say
26:09
Speaker 1: they still need the supplement, and that is they still
26:12
Speaker 1: need minerals. So I would always supplement from.
26:16
Speaker 4: A multi or are specific stuff for people generally, Like.
26:21
Speaker 1: A super well fit person just needs to take minerals,
26:25
Speaker 1: then I would propose a multi mineral supplement like with
26:29
Speaker 1: all the trace minerals in it as well, not just
26:32
Speaker 1: like just think selenium, chromium, molygdinum, all of those are
26:36
Speaker 1: the big ticket ones, but trace minerals are really good.
26:40
Speaker 1: So you get lots of trace minerals from sea salt,
26:43
Speaker 1: electrolyte and sea salt mineral products, So those are always
26:48
Speaker 1: my favorite supplements that would be the top priority in everyone. Electrolytes,
26:53
Speaker 1: sea salt minerals, and potassium. So a lot of people
26:58
Speaker 1: are depleted in potassium. So I know that nowadays with
27:02
Speaker 1: a lot of the big biohacking movements and sports and
27:05
Speaker 1: longevity runs taking electrolytes, which is great, but we really
27:09
Speaker 1: need the potassium.
27:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a.
27:11
Speaker 4: Lot of people there, Yeah, they just tweak the potassium levels.
27:15
Speaker 4: It can sort out the blood pressure as well. I
27:18
Speaker 4: think there's a bit too much focus on sodium and
27:20
Speaker 4: not enough on potassium.
27:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. So that would be the vitamins.
27:28
Speaker 1: Supplements I think everyone should have would be electrolytes and minerals.
27:31
Speaker 1: And then, like I said, with a condition and with
27:35
Speaker 1: health issues, and I would certainly go for the ubiquanal
27:38
Speaker 1: I would do creating NAD. I wouldn't necessarily do n
27:42
Speaker 1: D because that's quite expensive. Not everyone can afford that,
27:45
Speaker 1: but definitely be three, so a nice cinemaide of sorts.
27:49
Speaker 1: And then most people can take a multib complex, but
27:53
Speaker 1: some people cannot if depending on their methylation status, they
27:57
Speaker 1: might get a bit.
27:57
Speaker 4: Do you propose a method vitamin for people or does
28:02
Speaker 4: that not work well for some people? Like what I'm saying,
28:05
Speaker 4: should everybody take methylated B or can methalate B not
28:09
Speaker 4: be great depending on certain genes.
28:12
Speaker 1: The latter, so I don't propose methylated B broadly speaking,
28:17
Speaker 1: I would propose so if we're talking first about energy mitochondria,
28:21
Speaker 1: propose B three and B five. And then if we
28:23
Speaker 1: just want an round B, then I would say a
28:26
Speaker 1: multibe that doesn't necessarily have a lot of methylated bees.
28:30
Speaker 1: But yeah, a bit of B two lots of B
28:32
Speaker 1: one as well, but methylated bees don't go well with
28:36
Speaker 1: at least in my patient cohort, because I have tough
28:40
Speaker 1: cases and that's usually when other things haven't worked. And
28:43
Speaker 1: usually in that community, methylated b can cause a lot
28:47
Speaker 1: more anxiety agro agitation because people have folate follate receptive
28:53
Speaker 1: blocks or methyl blocks so they can't methylate the folates
28:56
Speaker 1: and things like that.
28:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, And what is your thoughts on NMN and
29:04
Speaker 4: NR right, because they're big in the kind of biohacking communities,
29:10
Speaker 4: Just keen to get your thoughts. I took a little
29:12
Speaker 4: bit of NME and sublingual, and then I just stopped
29:15
Speaker 4: because for me, I looked at the research. Now this
29:18
Speaker 4: was a year ago, and there wasn't a lot of
29:21
Speaker 4: what I thought was compelling human data. But I know
29:25
Speaker 4: a lot of people absolutely swear by it. What's your
29:28
Speaker 4: thoughts on it?
29:29
Speaker 1: So I'm a bit neutral about needing to do NMN
29:33
Speaker 1: or NR versus just B three, partly because I'm working
29:38
Speaker 1: with a patient community with chronic diseases and they often
29:42
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of funds because there's a lot
29:45
Speaker 1: of supplements to have to take in the end you know,
29:48
Speaker 1: I do. I do give people relatively big protocols that
29:51
Speaker 1: I'm being conservative, but I also it does also add
29:54
Speaker 1: up to a lot of things. You have to support
29:57
Speaker 1: the bio, you have to support the liver, you have
29:59
Speaker 1: to support the micro bio, you have to support the
30:01
Speaker 1: nearer transmitters. In the end, you have a supplements as
30:04
Speaker 1: long as you know, list of it, as long as
30:06
Speaker 1: your arm. So cost wise, EMIN is not practical for
30:12
Speaker 1: my patient cohort. The research looks interesting. I'm not jumping
30:17
Speaker 1: straight into that because of being practical, and I already
30:20
Speaker 1: see good results with B three and just n R,
30:24
Speaker 1: and I already see good results of using other things
30:27
Speaker 1: in my patient groups. So I don't just hammer in
30:30
Speaker 1: on that.
30:30
Speaker 4: Andemen my view on that is a watch in we
30:33
Speaker 4: it because it is bloody expensive. It's a supplement, and
30:36
Speaker 4: I think there's there's other ones that are kind of
30:38
Speaker 4: top of the list on that.
30:40
Speaker 2: Okay. So and then just to remind our people, so
30:43
Speaker 2: is that that's.
30:44
Speaker 4: Everything from a nutritional perspective, is it?
30:46
Speaker 1: And then well I'll put the last thing in is
30:48
Speaker 1: also when you don't eat, so you know a bit
30:51
Speaker 1: of fasting is depends again on the person. But if
30:56
Speaker 1: you're trying to get more metabolic flexibility, then it's good
31:00
Speaker 1: to be able to fast, and fasting just means to
31:04
Speaker 1: be able to not eat overnight twelve to fourteen hours
31:09
Speaker 1: and okay, sometimes if you had to skip lunch because
31:11
Speaker 1: you really were that busy, or you skip dinner, you
31:14
Speaker 1: don't fall apart because you're angry, you know. So it's
31:17
Speaker 1: like be able to not be like that. So people
31:21
Speaker 1: have to work out how to be able to fast
31:23
Speaker 1: and get through that. So not saying that you need
31:26
Speaker 1: to do long fast for mitochondrial health, but you have
31:30
Speaker 1: to be able to handle a fast.
31:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, every human beings should be able to handle
31:35
Speaker 4: a fast. Right, then the other things to throw at
31:38
Speaker 4: your mitochondria other than so that's a very detailed thing
31:42
Speaker 4: around nutrition. What's the other big ticket items for you?
31:45
Speaker 1: Big ticket items would be avoid blue light, so get
31:49
Speaker 1: the light, right, we already said that, and so using
31:52
Speaker 1: a red light panel or red light devices is really
31:55
Speaker 1: just to tip that balance of we're just a bit
31:58
Speaker 1: too much blue and not enough friend. But if someone
32:01
Speaker 1: is out in nature the whole day and getting a
32:04
Speaker 1: lot of sun, then you don't necessarily need a red
32:07
Speaker 1: light like just a generic red light panel I'm talking about.
32:10
Speaker 1: You might use red light to specifically treat an ankle
32:14
Speaker 1: injury on elbow spray and things like that, so that'd
32:18
Speaker 1: be the blue and the red. And the next thing
32:20
Speaker 1: I would say is do cold.
32:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, can induce mitochondrial biogenesis.
32:26
Speaker 1: Right, very very very powerful cold therapy. So that's a
32:30
Speaker 1: huge with chondrial therapy. And depending on the type of
32:34
Speaker 1: communities you're speaking to, maybe your communities Paul are like
32:37
Speaker 1: all out there jumping into ice bath and going gung
32:41
Speaker 1: ho for it, but my patient community isn't so much
32:44
Speaker 1: because people have chronic fatigue and so on. So we
32:47
Speaker 1: just have to do it very slow and gently, and
32:49
Speaker 1: we usually start doing it with face plunges.
32:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really good thing for people
32:54
Speaker 4: who have chronic conditions. If they jump into an ice bath,
32:58
Speaker 4: that can just be too much and can completely overwhelm them.
33:01
Speaker 4: So the asponges I totally agree with you a great
33:04
Speaker 4: and then maybe a bit of a cold char it's
33:06
Speaker 4: just at the end of your normal char. But you know,
33:08
Speaker 4: you don't have to be jumping into the ice bot
33:10
Speaker 4: and you certainly don't need to be spending ten minutes
33:12
Speaker 4: in an icepot. That's just an ego trip. I think
33:16
Speaker 4: most of the benefits are those first twenty seconds when
33:20
Speaker 4: you get into cold water. And what about exercise.
33:25
Speaker 1: I was going to say that one next it's like, okay,
33:30
Speaker 1: it's so next thing with the exercise. So with my
33:34
Speaker 1: patient community, I guess I don't use the word exercise.
33:37
Speaker 1: I talk about.
33:37
Speaker 2: Movement physical activity.
33:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they have cronic fatigue, they do get upset
33:43
Speaker 1: with being told they have to exercise because it makes
33:45
Speaker 1: them sicker. And so but I say to them, you
33:48
Speaker 1: still absolutely need to move. You cannot just sit down
33:52
Speaker 1: or lie down. When people have got pots and you
33:55
Speaker 1: know orthostatic intolerance, they're lying down and sitting down a lot.
34:00
Speaker 1: You still absolutely need to move. So we need to
34:03
Speaker 1: move for that moto biogenesis, and that is critical too.
34:07
Speaker 1: And we might even just start the movement with breath.
34:11
Speaker 1: So do use a lot of breath, do a lot
34:14
Speaker 1: of our line movements, pilates, care work, and just starting
34:18
Speaker 1: with that because that essentially is the most important place.
34:21
Speaker 1: That from a functional perspective, is how I'm thinking of it,
34:24
Speaker 1: not just big bulky muscles for metabolic health. I'm thinking
34:29
Speaker 1: first just the right muscles. Doing the right things is
34:32
Speaker 1: really around our breath, our pelvic flaw, our diaphragm, and
34:37
Speaker 1: how that makes a big difference to our neurophysiology.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. And the old classic concept of exercise.
34:46
Speaker 4: I think it does apply to people with chronic particular
34:48
Speaker 4: of seeing research on it is slow progressive overload. Is
34:52
Speaker 4: that just week by week, just add a little bit
34:54
Speaker 4: and add a little bit and add a little bit,
34:56
Speaker 4: and then if it's too much, you just back off
34:58
Speaker 4: a little bit. But I think that concept of progressive
35:01
Speaker 4: over a little it applies to everybody, from people with
35:04
Speaker 4: chronic conditions all the way through to elite athletes like Christine.
35:08
Speaker 4: And so I presume is there anything else that we've
35:10
Speaker 4: left off on there? You did talk about your few more, but.
35:17
Speaker 1: So would be the big ones, you know, nutrition, light, cold, exercise.
35:22
Speaker 1: But I would say magnetism is a really good one
35:26
Speaker 1: for mitochondrial health if people have got conditions, so using
35:29
Speaker 1: PEMF pulse electromagnetic fields. And then I guess it would
35:35
Speaker 1: be remiss of me as a nutritional medicine doctor not
35:38
Speaker 1: to talk about the microbiota, the microbiome. I mean, everyone
35:42
Speaker 1: knows that you know the gut brain access microbiome has
35:46
Speaker 1: a big.
35:47
Speaker 6: Huge effect across everything, but I actually think that's still
35:51
Speaker 6: bottom up, and I think the top down to microbiome
35:54
Speaker 6: is the stress and the micochondria that speaks the microbiome.
35:57
Speaker 1: And I think that research is starting to kind about
36:00
Speaker 1: mitochondria microbiome crosstop. So I think that when your mitochondria
36:05
Speaker 1: are healthy and you got the right light signals and
36:07
Speaker 1: microbiome will be healthier as opposed to just shoving in
36:11
Speaker 1: probiotics and of course fiber, of course probiotics, but just.
36:16
Speaker 2: Better fermented food as well. Right for the first.
36:19
Speaker 1: One, yeah, yeah, And then the last thing is detox
36:23
Speaker 1: because we can't help but live in a toxic world.
36:26
Speaker 1: So a good old sona and sweat couple of times
36:29
Speaker 1: a week is just yeah. Oh, I guess if you're
36:32
Speaker 1: exercising hard and you're sweating yours or doing a double
36:35
Speaker 1: up there.
36:36
Speaker 2: There's what most people don't realize.
36:37
Speaker 4: The level lemon detox diet is horseship compared to sweat.
36:42
Speaker 2: Right, that is the mediature way. And I guess supporting
36:45
Speaker 2: your fierst one and fist.
36:46
Speaker 4: To detoxification and processes in the body through you know,
36:51
Speaker 4: lots of broccoli, the whole broccoli family, and then onions
36:54
Speaker 4: garlics leaks self first supports those two pathways, right.
36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally very cool.
37:02
Speaker 4: Now I am Are you still taking patients because I'm
37:06
Speaker 4: sure there's a shipload of people going I want her
37:09
Speaker 4: as my doctor.
37:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still take patients. It just depends on
37:13
Speaker 1: the time of year and how heavy the loaded Sometimes
37:16
Speaker 1: is a bit of a weight, but we're always taking patients.
37:19
Speaker 1: So the clinic is next practice gen biome g E
37:23
Speaker 1: n b io me. It's sort of a generation biome.
37:28
Speaker 1: It's a biosphere of health and soluted genesis Soluto genesis.
37:33
Speaker 1: By the way, it's health creation for some of your
37:36
Speaker 1: listeners who might not know. We treat diseases for sure,
37:40
Speaker 1: but we prefer or would love to just create health.
37:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love it. I love it. And are you
37:46
Speaker 2: on socials or anything?
37:48
Speaker 4: It's a person for people.
37:49
Speaker 2: Can Are you too busy?
37:52
Speaker 1: I'm not unsocial? Yeah. Well, our clinics very busy. Just
37:57
Speaker 1: word of mouth and education and our the clinic is
38:00
Speaker 1: MITO Core m I t O Core and that is
38:05
Speaker 1: the new clinic, which is much more focused on longevity
38:09
Speaker 1: and mitochondrial health. It's using much more of a naturopathic model,
38:14
Speaker 1: so not necessarily doctors treating diseases, but really for people.
38:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, good, the moant to be great.
38:21
Speaker 4: Yeah are the They both based in Sydney.
38:23
Speaker 1: Yep, they're both in Edgecliff and Sydney.
38:26
Speaker 4: Lucky bastards. They get the good weather in the winter
38:28
Speaker 4: and they also get your clinics, Christine. This has been
38:34
Speaker 4: absolutely awesome, A great dive into the mitochondria, which are hugely,
38:41
Speaker 4: hugely important and I think a very very wide lends
38:48
Speaker 4: view of the mitochondria. And I think for our listeners
38:51
Speaker 4: there's some real actionable stuff because.
38:54
Speaker 2: The mitochondria don't funk you.
38:56
Speaker 4: Well, you're a basket case.
38:58
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's why. Well, you know, join us as
39:01
Speaker 1: mitochondriacts and looking at as the chondria and if anyone
39:07
Speaker 1: is into longevity and all that, then you should be
39:10
Speaker 1: a mitochondriact.
39:12
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it, right, that is the
39:16
Speaker 4: title of this talk, Why you need to be a mitochondriact.
39:20
Speaker 2: So cool.
39:21
Speaker 1: I love talking to you. Thank you so much. I
39:24
Speaker 1: appreciate the invite. I know I'm speaking to a different
39:27
Speaker 1: community than what I'm usually speaking to. So I hope
39:30
Speaker 1: this helps your listeners.
39:31
Speaker 4: Oh look, absolutely, no doubt helped my listeners immensely.
39:35
Speaker 2: That is the great.
39:36
Speaker 4: Thank you for giving you your very precious time to
39:40
Speaker 4: help our listeners. Awesome.
39:42
Speaker 1: Thanks for