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Face/Off vs Ghost Rider · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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God
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Listening you all sound pretty even okay, right?
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We're gonna just try I'm not hearing anything. I want to hear but like
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Listen, welcome to our audience. Yeah, you knew what you were getting into were terrible
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Actually, maybe you didn't know what you were getting into I
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Don't know why I picked these movies I
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Had only seen face off and I saw face off when I was probably
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Six or something. So it was the appropriate time
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Yeah appropriate time to see right? Welcome
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To cage match colon around about wave meeting Nicolas cage. I'm your host Sean here with my
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Befuddled co-host. I'm not befuddled. I'm just disappointed
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But disappointed but disappointed and what's your name Nick?
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I'm Nick season 2 Nick season 2 Nick a lot less to live for
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And our producer Peter. Hello and this week we are back for season 2
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That's right. Yeah, we've done
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32 33 if you count the wrap-up episode 33 plus some extra stuff of these so
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And others get ready to hear all the same opinions again for another 15 months
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No, but we have friends this time my first opinion is these white cloths. Yeah, they're pretty bad. Sorry sparkle buddies
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Buddy suck
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But yes, as Peter said we have friends and this week we have our guest Jimmy. Hi Jimmy. Hello. Hello everyone
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I'm not drinking white cloth. So I
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Will send blessings from afar. I
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Think you have the better choice with white wine at this point
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It just has to be white
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white
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Yeah, Jimmy Harrod is a
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very talented musician singer
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Performer and actor and we're really thrilled to have you join us in our really dumb adventure
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Yeah, my first question why?
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It's hard to say no to Peter. I tried very hard and no
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It's hard to say no here I am
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It's true. I get it and I so last season to catch catch me up
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Let's pretend I'm totally new to this world was last season all Nick Cage also. Yeah
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How many movies has this man done over a hundred and he's got more coming out six this year alone
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You know, we're not doing all of them. We take we took what we consider to probably be
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his 64 best films
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Categorize them Peter misled us into believing these were Nicholas Cage's 64 best films. That's true
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And here we are established. We don't say no to Peter
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But we took six took 64 films categorize them from action comedy
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serious and wacky and
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have been every episode taken two films and
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Whittling them down from 64 to 32. Yes, we're in the beginning of whittling
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From 32 to 16 and then right on down to number one best
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Most watchable most rewatchable Nick Cage movie because we will at that point have watched a Nick Cage movie
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With single watches seven times. I think will be the the winner
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We've committed literal days of our life to these movies
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What's the first season just one movie per episode? No, it's the same concept. It was still the head dad. Okay
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Tip to tip and and the cages world. Yeah. Yeah, you nuts the butts
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Nicholas Cage running a train on us
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So Jimmy, what what is it that draws you to this this myth this legend of Nicholas Cage? Um,
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You know, it's funny. It's like yeah, I've seen him in many movies, but uh,
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I don't know if he's my favorite actor. So this was like a great excuse to like
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challenge that and I might have to watch more movies to really get um
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Get that final stamps on it, but these two were were a good comparison. Um, I think they're like from different eras of mr. Cage and
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And different eras of just like culture
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So it was it was interesting to watch these two and try to come up with an opinion
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If you don't think he's the best actor now, I think he's the best actor
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If you don't think he's the best actor now watch 64 of his films
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And then you kind of just have to say he is because people are going to judge you either way
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I think my brain is broken now at this point
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Well, let's say uh this week our first lineup or our first matchup for round two is face-off versus ghost writers
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The first ghost writer not spirit. Yeah, it has no vengeance. No vengeance. No spirit. No spirit. No joy for me
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Plenty of joy for me mostly because there's no joy for you
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I don't know how you didn't come through
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This watching without learning to love it a little bit. Oh, I love it a little bit now
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I just really don't like it the ghost writer. So I guess we're talking about ghost writer. Yeah ghost writer is not my favorite
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Uh, but yeah, let's let's do ghost writer first. So ghost writer is the story
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of a little boy johnny blaze who
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Makes a deal with the devil to get rid of his dad's cancer
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But deals with devils go poorly. So dad still died and now johnny is the
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uh
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spirit of the devil's like
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Vengeance, but not with that in the title, um, because that's a different movie. Yeah, that sounds like a different movie
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It's a better movie
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Then he uh grows up and has to
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What stop?
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Staphyl is his kid from taking all the souls and
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Making hell on earth. Yep as a skelly boy. So the first thing I noticed on my rewatch of this movie is
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ghost writer and
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Blackheart and his friends
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They're the planeteers
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Oh, yeah earth fire wind water and uh,
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Wes bentley is heart
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Blackheart, yeah, that's my joke everyone. I'm done. All right. Thank you for listening to cage match. See you all next time
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Wait a minute. Do we just always end the episode when shawn tells a joke?
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Really really bad one. Yeah
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Fold up shot that explains why we finished so many episodes
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Five minutes in
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I don't know if that's a dig on that. I just never tell jokes or
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That all the jokes are good up until the worst one and then we leave
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You decide
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Fuck you guys. I know i'm fine
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Uh, yeah, so this movie is still
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weird
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But not too weird. Oh god. I still don't like the jelly bean thing in the martini glass
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Oh, I forgot about that. Jimmy you said this was your first time watching this movie
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Yeah, I remember when it came out like I guess I should say I remember the title, um, but it's kind of stops there
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um, I didn't hear anything about it and then
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Right after watching it. I wanted to look up the rotten tomatoes
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Even though I don't always agree and I kind of had to agree for once and like okay
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The tomatoes should be thrown at this
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So, uh your initial thoughts
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It's funny because I don't want to start talking about um face off just yet or facelift whatever
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um, but I did feel like
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I left face off with much more in my memory than ghost rider, which I watched after face off
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After face off. It's like it's not super memorable and it's kind of formulaic or or just maybe predictable
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Like there's going to be a damsel
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that's
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Sort of in distress and then like yeah, I don't know it was it was just not I wish it grabbed me more
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Yeah, it's very much a fluffy movie. There's not
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Anything substantial to it and it doesn't like change the game in any way
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And and they tried to add comedy like in the sense of the the beans instead of like a drink
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Yeah, the first time he does it i'm like, okay fine like weird, but we're gonna move on. Oh, no 20 minutes later here
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He's like donna lobe. Do you want some beans? And he's like, I don't want the fucking beans. Yeah
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Yeah, the jelly beans it's just it's almost like they wanted to create like
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funny things about his character, but then they also wanted like us to have like
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Maybe some serious compassion for his like dad dying like I also thank you for um explaining the story much better than I tried to
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To someone today. I was like, yeah, like he sells his soul to the devil, but he doesn't realize it
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Sort of and then his dad like I was really labored like by this opening that was like so short in comparison to the rest of the movie
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But it's totally all right. I've seen the movie quite a few times now. So you've got it down
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Just get it down
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It was better for me on a second watch. I tried to go in with a very clean attitude on it
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I still don't love it
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Yeah, it's definitely easier the second time second or third time
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like anal
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But
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Wow, you were you were mentally lubricated for what you were going to experience
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Yes, you feel ready second time
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I still maintain that the comedy is intentional Peter. I know you disagree with me on this but oh no
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I think it's intentional. I just don't think it's great. It's not great. No, I mean, it's fine
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I mean this movie's fine the actions. Okay
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the cgs
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It holds up. I think it really holds for the time for the time. I think the cgi is pretty good incorrect
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Ghost writer is really good. Everything else looks like shit
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Yeah, yeah the bad guys look so stupid the dirt guy the villains really sucked in this movie. I think that's a problem, too. It's like
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None of them are necessarily a challenge aside from blackheart. They're just situational inconveniences. Yeah, and
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Black heart he apparently had figured out
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Well in advance there wasn't much of a struggle for him
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It was just again situational inconveniences. The problem with the character of ghost writer is there
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I can't think of a single
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Big villain that people would know of his kind of like the wonder woman problem
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There's not a mainstream villain that goes along with the character
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Like the closest ghost writer villain I could think of and I've read a lot of ghost writer is the orb
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Who's just a guy who has a big eyeball for a head?
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Oh, yeah, I mean that's kind of cool, but he doesn't do anything. That's he just has that
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It doesn't have any power seems like a liability. Yeah, you get dust and stuff in it all the time
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It's just it's weird like he's a weird ghost writer
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Yeah, just really big ones
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Dinner plates and black hearts such a weird villain because he's not a regular comic villain
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And I think most people would know him from like marvel versus capcom where he looks like you know a big tentacled badass
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Yeah, everything's better with tentacles looking like wes bentley isn't exactly the most badass thing
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You hear that wes bentley take that bentley come at me come on our podcast come find me
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Share your opinions about how you look
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And how you feel about ghost writer mostly that one yeah, my understanding is wes bentley doesn't remember ghost writer
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Yeah, I felt like the villains they're all
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Well the three he just takes them down within like a minute of them interacting
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So they're very like, you know dismissive are just dismissable. Like you don't remember them. I don't know any other names
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They just like kind of fly at him or pull him underwater or something and they're like forgotten and it's like
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Yeah, there was dirty dog, yeah, uh or what buddy dan? Yeah, moisty boy. Uh-huh moisty
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Air, uh windpipe
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I mean essentially
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Much like the band they took their look from god's mac. We've forgotten all of the moderated
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Take that god's mac come on our podcast defend your existence
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Talk about ghost writer don't come on our podcast. Please for the love of god stay away
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Stay away
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Stay away
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I hate season two myself and god's mac
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Jimmy are you a comic book movie person at all or um comic book not so much anime. Yes, but um
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But no, you know, that's the thing about this about ghost writer. I wasn't super familiar with the character
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So to get introduced to him through this lens and for him to be like kind of like laughable and to not have like a great
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Like delivered backstory like I think about how many iterations are of spider-man
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I think that the reason is because they always set up the story so well of like the origins of his powers and like
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Okay, what what?
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Variant of the story we're going with this time like I think there are characters that have been so much
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Um, they've been executed so much better in terms of like leaving the comic world into the film world
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And this is not one of them
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It's like I I don't know how many people like you were saying like the wonder moon problem, uh know the villains
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and and then when you try to like
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I don't know build a story around like just I guess his backstory his backstory feels really thin at least in this portrayal
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so I feel like I didn't leave this with like a
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Desire to know more but is it a burning desire?
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well
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No, would you actively seek out any of it?
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Or you just disappointed I want to know more like why because it must be a good character if they wanted to make a film
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But they made a sequel and they made a sequel. I didn't check out the tomatoes on that but
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You guys seem to like it better. It's I think it's worse tomatoes
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It was made on a like shoestring budget
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And it was like by the guys who did the movie crank. Yeah, it's insane
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It's they're like music video directors. So visually it's nuts. The action is
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Is better the storyline is terrible
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In the usable that's not what you're there for but it was just bolder choices, which actually kind of worked for it
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Yeah, just because it was
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more interesting
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And i've always liked I mean because I have read a lot of ghostwriter and i've always liked johnny blaze's the down on his luck
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Town to town like incredible hulk style like sad piano music, but on a hog
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Yeah, I wanted him to be more like a sad sack, you know that that kind of story is a little more interesting to me
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but like seeing a bunch of fucking
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Redneck people just being like johnny blaze
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We fucking love you and then in the jail being like I wanted to see you splatter. It's like oh, Jesus christ
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I will say of the comic book movies of this era. This is the most accurate depiction like comic to screen
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That was out at the time like that is
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actually the original
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Story arc of johnny blaze and the ghostwriter. What about roxy?
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Roxy's a character. Yeah
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Roxy's a character is about the best definition
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I mean, yeah, that is I mean that's that's their role their role in the movie and their role in the comic book
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Is her their role is that limited i'll say
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Pretty much. Yeah, I just I found her still wallpaper and then I was trying to think
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Is this her acting or is this the writing or is this her character like?
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You know, what is it peter peter brought up a line?
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That he just loved that she says in a diner. I'm totally forgetting it right now
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Oh, it's when she's drinking that glass of wine and the waiter like brings over another bottle and she's like i'm pretty right?
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And he's just like god
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And that's her comedic moment. I feel like like for us
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It's like oh i'm supposed to like relate maybe or laugh at her situation like
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I didn't I didn't feel much for her and just kind of bored. I think there's better there's better female opposites
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In the stories, but you're saying this is such a
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Of the time period this is the most direct
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Translation to screen so i'm like, okay, I would not be rooting for her
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Which I remembered hating at the time because I wanted this like very dour dark ghostwriter movie and I didn't want it to be a comedy
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When I watched at the time but coming back to it for this podcast. I'm like this movie fucking rocks
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Because I saw this in theaters like
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I had like a 90 dollar a week
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Single issue comic book habit. I hung out only at a comic book store. I thought I was going to be a comic artist
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So like this is all I cared about it makes sense that it would speak to you more. Yeah than me
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That's your response
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That's for you, I love that for you
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What did you like about the movie? I mean we've all talked about the things we didn't like but I've only talked about the things I liked
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It's the same conversation
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I'm wrong about everything
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I thought it was uh, I mean I could follow it almost better than the film we're going to talk about after this
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Like because it's so formulaic you can just like paint by numbers like okay, this is gonna happen and this happens
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Oh
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Is this a surprise? Not really but that's okay because like at least I know where the you know
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I know where the motion will lead us and so that
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actually made it
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easier to watch
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I didn't hate this one actually as much as I
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As much as I have strong feelings about the other and so I actually felt like after I liked it more
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But that didn't mean I liked it, right? It's hard to hate something
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You just don't care about is how I came out of this movie. It's like it doesn't
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Affect me so I don't hate it. It's not like bank. I'm dangerous. I don't feel like I wasted my time watching it
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I just don't feel for it
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Uh good bank. I'm not like kissing on the mouth. Yeah, right. There's nothing for me these days
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Just dead below the waist. Yeah
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You need a hand across your face
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Oh now I just feel anger again
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Well, uh before we before we move on from uh from this to face off
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I do want to suggest to our listeners peter keep this in here, please
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um
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The comic series that came out around this time if anyone does want to know more about ghost writer
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Uh ghost writer by daniel way artist, uh tex sierra
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Was really good. Like it was the big relaunch that came out around the same time as the comic and I remember really enjoying it
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So jimmy, where would you slot this on?
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Good movie versus good nicolas cage performance, you know in the venn diagram kind of in that concept
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Would you call it a good good good bad? Yeah, good cage bad movie bad cage good movie good bad bad good
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Um, no, I uh, I that's funny actually because
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The movie is like so
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Unoffensive or daring that it's like could feel boring
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But that's also what makes it safe
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And like so it feels very middle of the road, but nick cage in this is also interesting because like
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God, I guess it's an interesting thing to watch so many of his performances in a row
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Because like it's easy to sort of be like, oh, this is just who they are on screen like, you know to generalize
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but I did feel some differences in this and some other moments i've seen of him on screen and
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After some of the comedic goofy like the beams and the glass thing
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I actually didn't mind his acting
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in this
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Even if even though I wasn't like I didn't leave it. I don't leave the movie like feeling anything
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It's like all right. That's done cool. Yeah, I mean I
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I left it feeling like he actually was acting
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Where I don't always leave
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Maybe watching like an x-men movie with that sensation
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What do you guys see? I've come to love this film quite a bit. It's stupid. I love nick cage in it
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You know thinking about it after having seen so many of his films
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This was 2007 seven early two. It was mid-2000s where nick cage was still kind of a big name
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Not that he isn't now, but it's different now like he could still
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He could still lead an action vehicle
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I think i'm just so
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It don't okay. So it only feels to me like this is a movie
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I could watch at like my uncle's house, but like an uncle, I don't know that well
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So there's no real environment
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But like an uncle, I don't know that well, so there's no real investment, but I can put it on
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And we can both just ignore each other and ignore the movie
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It's just a past time. So it's not silent. Yeah, it's literally just
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To speed my way to death
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That's how I feel about this movie. Yeah, I mean, it's fine
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I wouldn't turn it off if it was on
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Unless I had something better to do
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Which could be anything
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It could be a prolonged bathroom break. I'd watch this during a prolonged bathroom break. That's a long bathroom break. You guys need fiber
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Uh just to get away
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Just an escape. Yeah fair. No, I I live by myself. I i'm always away
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I'm so lonely
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No, this movie's fine. Um
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Yeah, so i'll say that nicolas cage made acting choices and
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That's something you don't always get
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It's not a good performance for me and
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It's just an okay movie. I don't think the movie works without nicolas cage
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I I don't know. I could say otherwise but
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make west bentley ghostwriter
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Yeah, just as the people demand just make nicolas cage the villain blackheart. Yeah, that would be fine
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I would like that a lot as well
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I just want anything with nicolas cage and at this point. It's stockholm syndrome, baby. Yeah
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Yeah
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You've you've you're convinced just from the process of this
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Nick caves used to be in everything
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It's weird if he's not at this point. Yeah. Yeah, he's in the media. I consume so
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I don't think that would change anything. It's gonna be weird when we're done with this in like 15 months
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Yeah, suicide pact suicide pact. Yep, but won't there be more movies to report?
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Well, we can always review his his back catalog and then the new ones, you know
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If we wanted to continue talking about nicolas cage, we could literally just reorganize the bracket
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Do it again. Yeah, do it all over start from the top, baby. Yeah
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Uh, just do the whole seating system based on how much chest hair we see
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Or like how far his hairline has gone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea
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It's it's a body hair only bracket. Yes. Yeah. All right
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Does he have a beard? It's a bearded section. See this works. Yeah, damn we could do that. All right
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All right. Thanks for the idea jimmy
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I was shocked by how cut he was in this movie, right? He does do that sometimes
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He doesn't look like that when i'm looking at him neck up
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I'm like not trying to look neck up and then and then suddenly his shirt's on like what in
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Where how cgi had yeah, he's always got a soft boy face
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I'm convinced in this film at cgi because that was it's really cut for him
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I'm looking up what movies were around that time, but the abs are also like
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Weirdly like grossly cut so before that he was in world trade center wicker man
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And then after that he was in the two grindhouse movies and then next which none of those were yeah
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No, rift rolls. Yeah. No, that's that's cj. It's got to be cj. It's a fake body
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Really? Yeah, it must be I mean we've seen him get cut for roles before but that was like
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Chiseled it was chiseled. You know what? Maybe he did get cut to be a superhero because he always did want to be a superhero
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He was almost superman. So maybe he did get cut for the movie. So he required that
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Nothing seen with him with his shirt off. Yeah, we're just like in the mirror. Yeah
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Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't take much to actually turn just being in shape to looking like that. It's just dehydrating yourself
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Yeah, that's a good point. So there's no good segue into the name
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Jimmy had one earlier and then we kept talking about ghostwriter. So I was gonna say he's in good shape in um face off
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There we go, but his hairline is very different. Yes
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Well, don't they added his hairline when he becomes uh, jermalta?
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maybe that's what it is
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They're just trying to blend the hairlines. They're like, uh, we don't know what his hairline should be at the start of this
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Um, okay who wants to do a quick recap on face off 1997 john woo?
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Nicholas cage and john travolta switch penises
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But not
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Oh, they totally do
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Do you think it was like a degloving situation?
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Like they just kind of cut around it and like peeled it off just like the face and then just rolled it down the other penis
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Like or an injection maybe it's injection like just weird collagen to like fill it out if it's plumper
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But what if it's skinnier? What if it's circumcised?
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circumcision, I feel like you could work back and forth with like you just get like a
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foreskin tuck
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And then they come out kind of like the hem on your pants and then they can release it
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When you're when you're done being circumcised
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Like a tailor I think so
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I'm gonna ask my tailor if this is something we can work with
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It's like I don't know i'll just knit you a turtleneck
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I can't remember we talked about this. Are you uh you circumcised nick? We've talked about it on like every episode ever
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Hold on, let me make sure my volume is up on this part
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It's a dominant portion of uh our friendship is just discussing our penises
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Sean seems to have like penis blindness in remembering that he's seen both of our penises before
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I mean, i've seen I was I saw yours peter cusped by the moonlight
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Correct, and I just whipped mine out after a warhammer discussion. I think no we were camping. Yeah
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Oh, that's true. We were camping
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It was actually both because we made plans to play warhammer and then never played warhammer, but you saw my wiener
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What is warhammer?
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It's something that doesn't get many people to look at your penis
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Okay
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Okay
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And we're back. So uh face off fbi agent sean archer is trying to track down
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I want to say zander cage, but now it's castor troye castor troye. Who is zander cage?
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Uh, isn't that triple x?
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Triple x this is a triple x podcast now. Fuck. Yeah cooking with that cooking with diesel remember that romstein performance in
27:38
The second one enemy of the state. I do not oh so good. I never saw that one
27:43
My friend's in that movie
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Really? He's an extra. Oh nice. I thought you were gonna say it was vin diesel and I was like your friends with vin diesel
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Yeah, i'll get him on the podcast. Good. We'll talk nick cage. You only bring this up in an enemy of the state conversation
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So zander troye castor troye castor troye is a terrorist
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Who is trying to blow up the la convention center in parts of la for reasons?
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Yeah reasons but gets put into a coma by sean archer
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During a kick-ass gunfight in
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A airplane engine depot
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Yeah, but they don't know where the bomb is and the only way to get it is for scientists to swap their faces
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so
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sean archer can go undercover as
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Castor castor troye castor troye thought that was right, but i'm like no you're you're probably wrong. We'll get flashcards next time. Thank you
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and um goes undercover to
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Get the information from castor troye's brother pollock's troye pollock's try
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But during the time castor troye wakes up has the scientists put sean archer's face on him
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And and penis and penis he's like I want what he's having uh and then
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Sean archer has to escape from prison to stop castor troye who is sleeping with his wife because apparently
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Nobody decided it was important that this undercover operation
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Was not quite so undercover that he could be pulled out so he so that was part of the thing was
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Only his partner
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FBI director crime fighting partner not his wife partner and the
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Scientist who did the operation with the only ones who know
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Except for the entire team of scientists who worked there who got they got burned no only three of them got burned
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Uh the other ones got burned too the other 20 people did not get burned. They probably got burned
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They probably signed like ironclad ndas probably the big part of this is every time
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castor troye as sean archer sleeps with
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Sean archer's wife and she is none the wiser which just tells me she's been checked out from that marriage for a while
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I also really think that they didn't fuck at all or do anything and like that was the thing in months
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And that's why he's like oh, you're not giving your wife what she needs. I'm gonna give it to her
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I could eat a peach for hours
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Eat a peach for hours, baby
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She does say that you know they'd been living together as husband and wife for a couple weeks so
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So here's my theory about the penis swapping technology because I believe i'm pros penis swap
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Of course you would be because sean archer had to go undercover in a you know in a prison
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But not only not with other convicts
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With castor troye's brother castor troye's brother and castor and polex have definitely taken sink baths together
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polex knows what castor's dick looks like
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They had to swap do you remember your last sink bath?
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Yes
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Yes
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Just because it was like yesterday yeah, but
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No, most people don't remember that sort of thing from i'm just i feel like it changes. Yeah
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I mean i'm just assuming the fear was mine grew a little since I was a child
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I'm just assuming mostly thickening the length is the fbi assumed that you know polex might know what castor troye's dick looked like
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And they had to cover all bases. I don't know what my brother's dick looks like likewise
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I mean a dick i'm assuming
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kind of
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Tubular it's odd how most of us in this room
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Can we talk know what each other's dicks look like and you don't know your own brother's dick looks
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I don't know what either of you guys's dicks look like I could have seen them and it immediately just like
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Slid off my brain. It's their memories. I don't need to maintain dick blindness
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I didn't go like immediately back to my room and like do a charcoal drawing that I could preserve
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Like my future generations
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But are they really brothers? That's the other thing. I was there's almost a slight
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Strange vibe between them for just a second
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That relationship is very weird. I mean they are blood related
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Um, but the shoe tying thing is super weird
31:53
Like I mean there's some weird incest stuff in this movie. Uh, what's his girlfriend castor troye's girlfriend's name?
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Yeah, because when her brother dies brother just like sticks his tongue down her mouth. Oh, yeah that that was strange
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But they do a lot of drugs
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I mean I do a lot of drugs, but I haven't kissed my brother
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Yet like well also there's during that fight scene in the prison, you know, I feel about mouth kissing
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It's boring
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Yeah, nobody wants to kiss on the mouth anymore. Um, when they're fighting in that prison
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There's this moment where pollock's is like i'm gonna get close just for memory sake, but he's like watching the fight. He's like
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Yeah, he does get like horny for it you're right he's getting horny and what's up with this tongue in the mouth and
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Maybe I would think maybe he would know who it looks like more than anybody else
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Okay, so then maybe there's some maybe there's some theory here that we can really latch on to you had to swap the dick
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Yeah, is that technology really in their in their ability? I don't know. Can you just like pop them off?
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Yeah, well, I think it's more like a mr. Potato head situation
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Same concept. Yeah, but there's the stem, right? Yeah the alignment step
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Don't don't all penises have an alignment stem penises are just an alignment stem
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But that's the other direction. Um, I you know, I stand
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With uh degloving. I think that's the way they did it. That's the way they did facial technology. Yeah
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Uh, that way you build like a little like jelly prosthetic that you apply over it
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You just slide it down you reverse banana that peel but I imagine the skin hasn't really healed on yet
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So when he's having sex with his wife
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There's a chance that the glove could just slide off the stem. Yeah, he probably
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The rawest of dogs. I don't think castor troy would bother holding on to it
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He'd let it slide around in there. That might be a little extra for him
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The other theory I came up with and maybe this is you know more accurate
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Maybe she did think there was something weird with the dick
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But then he did declare he can eat a peach for hours
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You get a lot of leeway if you can eat a peach for hours. Yeah
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Oh, maybe maybe they didn't dick down. He just like you know that
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Never done that. Oh, yeah
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He doesn't do mouth stuff. He's like superman
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Who said that again? I can't remember some asshole. Yeah
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Was it pitbull? No
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The rock no, it was no I think it was no it's batman doesn't do that. Oh batman doesn't go down
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Yeah, superman goes down. He just looks at your body with his vision
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uses his lasers to do what he wants just like I don't really want to touch it but
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a burning sensation
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Just like the ultimate voyeur. Yeah, oh, yeah, you're right batman doesn't go down. Yeah
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Coward not with all that gear on it's just like
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The mouth is free the mouth is literally the most accessible part of him. It is true
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I feel like ghostwriter would but i'm terrified of that
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At night yeah at night or during the day like which does yeah, right?
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He's like putting jelly beans in there or he's like
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using that chain
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So yeah, jimmy, what did you think of this? I mean you watched it as a youth right? You know, I'm like, you know
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Because it was the 90s the technology seemed way more advanced when you're watching the movie
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You're like, oh wow, like this this is like what facelifts are gonna be like in the future like
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They're gonna be able to like give me like crazy apps
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Like what's it gonna be and then like watching it because this is also, you know
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Like it's like when you play an old video game in like 2023 as we're currently in
35:42
It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember
35:46
They were so cool. I was like, oh my god
35:48
It's like oh the graphics are not what I remember like they were so cutting edge or cutting face
35:56
in that movie
35:57
That now I was like, oh, okay like it, you know, it's still fine, but it just like the logic seemed
36:05
I thought the movie was a comedy and basically I was just saying everything felt kind of goofy. It felt like this like
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Comedy that didn't know it was a comedy. Yeah, it's definitely got that action comedy
36:15
vibe even just like that opening at the chair of the choir singing and he's like
36:23
Right, right. He's doing his like little gestural dance. How was that?
36:26
Not a red flag for everybody in the area too. Do you not follow what the catholic church gets up to?
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Yeah, have you not met horny priests?
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You know, I haven't been allowed in church in a while. That's true
36:37
I guess what should have alerted everyone else was he was assault sexually assaulting a woman instead of a boy
36:42
Mm. Take that catholic church. Come on our podcast. Come on engage. I think they've been coming on enough
36:49
Oh
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The spotlight is on them
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Oh you fucking boo my joke, but you're like sean come on here every other week
36:59
This was my idea. I get a pass
37:02
Yeah, he's he's very creepy like just from the onset and you're kind of like, okay
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How's nobody paying attention to this guy?
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They're like mid song. He's like all up on these and if it's a girl, he's all up on somebody. There's somebody he's
37:16
Basically groping whatever what were john woo's like American movies. There was this there was
37:22
Well, there was the wind talkers wind talkers
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Oh mission impossible two mission
37:28
That's right. This time that one was the worst mission. It was a terrible movie. Yeah, but on the the the woo
37:34
Woo, like overlap stuff so many one of the things that I was really kind of blown away by in this movie is how many people?
37:41
Cage has worked with again from this
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Joan allen as his wife in this and in left behind
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Chris bauer who was dubov the guy in the prison whose
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Wife got fucked by whatever. He was the machine in eight millimeter
37:57
Nick cassavetes, which was detrick the like drug guy who gets shot in the neck and dies
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He was psycho and prisoners of the ghost land harvey prinell is uh the director of the fbi
38:08
And he was the father-in-law in the family man
38:11
Colm fiori was dr. Walsh who gets killed in this and he was the doctor in city of angels
38:17
John carol lynch was the shitty prison guard and he was in gotten 60 seconds
38:22
Tom jane was in uss indianapolis. Gina gershon was an inconceivable
38:26
And then yeah woo and cage teamed up again in windtalkers. It's like that's a fuckload of people that he's overlapped with
38:33
in one weird movie from 1997
38:36
Before I don't think him and joan allen have any uh scenes together in
38:40
Before she gets raptured. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think they do either, but no that I mean, it's really interesting
38:45
That's part of what this podcast is is how much this man fucking works. What is the movie that she gets raptured in?
38:51
Left behind. Oh
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Oh, no, I know of it. Okay. Yeah, it's of that book series. You were joking but no
38:59
Literally left behind. I see now a literal rapture. Okay
39:05
So she's in like five minutes of that movie and then gets she's taking a shower it just disappears and there's like a necklace
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left in the running shower
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How how do people feel about this film like jimmy how do you where do you rate this
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Did you enjoy this? Uh the process of watching this film?
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I found myself like um, well, it's funny. I mean if we go back to just what the story is of them swapping
39:29
Not to spaces but identity is to try to like blend into each other's uh personal lives and working work environments
39:36
I found myself um
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Initially like man i'm watching trivolta way more in this like I don't know why but like
39:46
I'm identifying with his acting choices and then when he becomes um
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Um, oh my gosh, i'm sorry castor droid
39:54
Yes, you whatever you just said when he becomes
39:58
He becomes our good guy
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um
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Our yeah our bad guy
40:05
When they when they make the swap I actually then notice cage's acting choices more
40:12
Um, which was actually pretty cool because initially i'm like, oh my god, this character is so too much for me
40:18
And I don't know what i'm gonna think about this but about 30 minutes into the movie. There's like for me
40:24
There's like a big switch from like the
40:27
I don't know the initial onset of this like goofy villain like
40:30
We but we see trivolta now become like quote unquote the goofy villain, but like his
40:36
Approach at it is really cool for me and then to see cage
40:40
Now have to embody like the good guy which
40:43
After watching the film reading like the big thing about this movie
40:46
Was that during that time period nicholas had only been good guys. This is actually more the character
40:52
He typically identifies with but I don't have that um
40:56
Experience with him in my memory at least and so I actually
41:01
It's like I don't love the story
41:04
But I enjoyed both of their acting
41:07
The more the story went on but the story like is so ridiculous
41:11
I just there's like so many moments where i'm like, okay when when
41:15
John trivolta becomes our bad guy or when john trivolta is now bad
41:20
I'm gonna have to just say it like that
41:22
When he becomes when he's bad I follow the bone
41:26
And he's in his office and he grabs his assistant's ass and she's like like kind of like
41:32
Caught off guard but like am I into this like what was that like new dynamic in the workspace like
41:40
That was so strange. Is it promotion week already?
41:43
Right. I'm like, okay. This is the 90s. Like what are they trying to say?
41:47
But his acting and that I basically start loving their acting choices after that
41:54
Because they both have to be the very opposite of what they've been portraying thus far
41:58
I guess you can get out but so I don't know if you saw this in any like
42:01
Research you've done for this film that trivolta and cage spent like a week just hanging out together to learn each other's mannerisms to play each other
42:09
So, you know, I think it's like
42:11
And so another thing that people often don't want to know either while seeingmosts of this passion to
42:17
Think about how far trivolta was really going, you know, I've sat on a small table with Bia
42:22
I mean, so is trivolta still going?
42:24
Step down, step down, step down
42:28
Sabato
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Yeah, it's still going
42:38
Yeah
42:41
like crazy villain to like,
42:44
I'm not the bad guy that you think I am.
42:46
Or like, you know, cage being cage,
42:49
whoever he is at the next point,
42:51
I appreciate the mellow cage after such a heightened cage.
42:57
Story-wise, I'm like, this is all over the place.
43:00
But I think that actually,
43:01
when I read about it afterwards as well,
43:03
like people really liked the risks the movie took
43:07
in comparison to everything else that came out.
43:09
And that was sort of the big reaction I feel like
43:13
I ended up having when watching Ghost Rider afterwards.
43:18
It's like, oh wow, like this movie feels so unsafe
43:21
in comparison to something that feels so like placid
43:25
or like even tempered the entire time,
43:27
like that I can predict everything.
43:30
Where like there are moments in,
43:33
there's sharks, there's LL Cool J.
43:35
Oh, Deep Blue Sea.
43:37
Yeah, like there's moments of face-off
43:40
that remind me of Deep Blue Sea
43:42
where it's just a little ridiculous,
43:44
but like at least I'm still engaged
43:46
and I like wanna stay like committed
43:48
to watching the whole time,
43:50
which is not my experience with Ghost Rider.
43:52
So like this was, in that sense,
43:54
it was like a better movie
43:56
because at least I was like drawn in.
43:59
I think before we get into the final question,
44:01
I do have one other question about this movie
44:03
that I wanna ask.
44:04
Does anyone else find it weird that Sean Archer decides
44:06
to like adopt a child who will inevitably grow up
44:09
to look like the man who murdered their son?
44:12
I've never liked that part of the plot
44:15
and I forgot about it again
44:17
and I hate that you brought it back up.
44:19
They removed that after audiences hated it
44:23
and then they put it back for the final cut.
44:26
Just like the penises.
44:29
Just why?
44:31
Yeah, it's terrible.
44:32
Here's your new brother
44:33
and then she just fucking facepalms.
44:36
I respect almost every choice that this movie makes.
44:41
I do not like the face touching.
44:44
It's just so dumb and forced.
44:46
And everyone doing it.
44:48
Yeah, and I do not like little boy returnal,
44:52
but I like the gunfight in the church.
44:56
That was a great gunfight.
44:58
I like the combination car and airplane chase
45:03
because that's always awesome.
45:06
I love a boat chase and this has a sick boat chase
45:10
even with like jumps and stuff in it.
45:13
That's good.
45:14
It's got prison fights.
45:15
I don't know.
45:16
I like the prison fight.
45:17
They just kinda look, yeah.
45:19
They just sorta looked around and they're like,
45:21
these are all cool things.
45:24
These are cool things that make movies cooler.
45:26
And then there's just the stupid attempt
45:29
at making an emotional climax.
45:33
We do have one update from the last time
45:35
we talked about this movie to now.
45:37
Oh. How?
45:38
We've suffered for five days.
45:40
We no longer have to say Danny Masterson's
45:42
an accused rapist.
45:44
Oh, that's true.
45:44
He's a fucker.
45:45
Oh my God, I forgot about this.
45:48
That's an aged scene.
45:50
Terribly.
45:51
I do regret that there isn't an extended scene
45:54
of the daughter just flipping around
45:57
and being really good with the butterfly knife.
46:00
All she did was practice for three weeks straight.
46:03
And it would only be a cut of the hand
46:06
and it would be somebody else's hand,
46:08
doing all the flips and flicks.
46:10
Somebody with hairy knuckles.
46:13
Yeah.
46:14
You know what?
46:14
We can edit that scene from Kick Ass into this movie
46:17
and give you what you want.
46:19
Yeah.
46:20
Just flip it around and then when it gets
46:22
to the end of the cut, you just run it back in reverse.
46:25
So it's really long.
46:26
So we know like, oh yeah, that is the daughter's
46:29
really hairy fist.
46:30
She got it from her dad.
46:34
So in terms of this film, where do we put Cage in this film?
46:41
Yeah, Venn diagram.
46:42
What's our scale?
46:43
Good and bad.
46:44
Yeah, scale is too complicated, Jimmy.
46:48
You know, it's like, I don't know if I still
46:50
don't know if I like Nicolas Cage.
46:52
But to get to see both of them opposite each other
46:57
and both have to play two characters,
46:59
I did end up enjoying the ridiculousness
47:03
and the like good guy portrayal from Cage.
47:08
And then I just, I'm still like, I
47:12
feel like I need to watch it a third time
47:14
so I can still wrap my head around what smorgasbord
47:18
of a story I just watched.
47:20
Like, there's like the big beats.
47:22
Like, OK, like in everyone's favorite beat,
47:24
bringing the child at the end.
47:26
I would love to beat that child.
47:28
Oh my god.
47:29
Oh, come on.
47:31
Whoa, we didn't even do good child, bad child.
47:33
That's a bad child.
47:35
That's a bad kid.
47:37
Out of here.
47:38
All right, so where do you guys put this one
47:40
on re-watching Face Off?
47:43
I am not.
47:45
This movie has its highs, but between them
47:49
is a lot of nothing.
47:50
Like, it's got great scenes with a lot of just,
47:53
it's a John Woo film.
47:54
It's a long film with great action and a lot of artsy,
47:59
this is interesting, but not a great film it makes.
48:04
It's a razor thin plot, but it's all action.
48:09
And it's an action movie.
48:11
It still has good laughs.
48:13
I think it's a good good for me.
48:15
I like this movie.
48:16
I really enjoy Nick Cage's performance in it.
48:19
I like how much scenery is chewed in this film.
48:22
I don't like the movie.
48:25
So Jimmy, I think I know the answer,
48:27
but if you could pick and your vote doesn't really matter,
48:30
what would you pick to move forward between these two?
48:34
It's probably the one I like the least, like objectively.
48:40
Or no, no, no, was that the right word?
48:42
Like the one I artistically don't like?
48:44
Yeah, it's probably Face Off.
48:47
It's got to be.
48:48
Well, action wise, action wise, it's got to be this one.
48:52
I think Face Off.
48:54
I almost feel like there's not enough action in Dose Rider.
48:57
That's fair.
48:59
I don't remember much action.
49:02
All the fight scenes are very short.
49:05
Flamy driving or flamy riding.
49:09
It's all CG.
49:10
Sean, what do you think?
49:12
When you put it that way, when you put it down
49:14
to what's the better action film,
49:16
it is definitely Face Off.
49:18
I personally enjoy the stupidity of Ghost Rider more,
49:22
and I can like sit back and turn my brain off more.
49:25
Whereas when I watch Face Off, I have so many questions
49:28
about choices in the story.
49:31
And I am less engaged with Face Off because
49:34
of the script and choices.
49:36
But in terms of action set pieces and action film,
49:40
it is the better choice.
49:42
And it is the better performance.
49:44
And I've maneuvered this perfectly
49:46
because I agree with the statements
49:48
I forced you all to make.
49:50
It is the better movie.
49:52
Mastercraft.
49:53
Yeah, I've been working on this.
49:55
Ever since Primal?
49:56
Yeah.
49:57
No, you got primal.
50:01
Krewit Jack.
50:01
Can I ask which one's more memorable to people?
50:04
I don't know.
50:05
I do the weird dumb point thing so much more
50:07
than I do the face thing.
50:09
Well, if you started doing the face thing,
50:12
the podcast would be over.
50:13
We would not do it anymore.
50:14
Also, we're all glasses wearers.
50:16
I put up with a lot of shit from you,
50:18
but I'm not going to put up with the face thing.
50:22
OK.
50:22
Yeah.
50:23
That was episode one of season two.
50:25
Nice work.
50:25
Yeah.
50:26
I feel like we came to the correct choice.
50:28
Thank you, Jimmy.
50:29
Thanks for having me.
50:31
Now I'm going to go watch Spirit of Vengeance.
50:33
You should.
50:34
It's a lark.
50:35
It's got Idris Elba in it, doing a terrible French accent.
50:39
Yeah.
50:40
You got anything you want to pitch or sell to our listeners?
50:42
Yeah, where can we find you?
50:44
Yeah.
50:45
You can find me on only, no, you can find me on,
50:52
find me on, what's the popular one?
50:54
Instagram, J-I-M-M-I-E underscore H-E-R-R-O-D,
51:00
where I occasionally post.
51:02
And I'm playing shows all over.
51:04
I should be playing some shows in Washington in January,
51:09
I believe.
51:11
We're international, though, Jimmy.
51:12
Yeah.
51:13
We've got fans everywhere.
51:14
Hey, we reached top 25 in Germany for movie review podcasts
51:18
at one point.
51:19
Like David Hasselhoff before us.
51:21
Yeah, exactly.
51:23
But then I think my scathing review of Wings of Desire.
51:26
That fucked everything up.
51:27
It did.
51:28
Fuck.
51:29
All right, go ahead, Jimmy.
51:31
No, that's, I mean, I'm bouncing all over.
51:36
That sounded specific.
51:37
Yeah, I'm doing stuff all over the place.
51:40
So if you go on there, you'll see
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whatever I've got going on.
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But thanks for having me.
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Thank you all for listening.
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Please rate, review, subscribe.
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Thanks for coming back for season two.
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You can chat with us on Instagram at cage underscore
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match underscore pod and Reddit at cage match pod.
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We're also on blue sky now because I gave myself an invite.
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But I don't blue sky.
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It's the new Twitter.
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Oh, yeah.
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Wait.
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Oh, is it not anymore?
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No, no, it's something else.
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Yeah, it's the like Twitter.
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Yeah, John, Josh, Josh, Dory, the creator of Twitter created
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blue sky.
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Jack Dorsey.
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Jack, you're getting there.
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You were close.
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Xander cage.
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Yeah.
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So we're on that too.
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I can't remember how you actually give people information
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on how you can connect on that thing.
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So find out.
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Figure it out.
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If you're on blue sky, which most of you aren't.
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Right.
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And if you are interested in supporting us,
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we are on Patreon at cage match.
52:38
And thank you to our Sparkle buddies, Josh, Sean,
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Josie, Rico, Matt, and Adam and our cage dancers, Ira, John,
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Freeman, and Lance.
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I still notice Meredith hasn't joined any of these tiers.
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Yeah.
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Mm.
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Stay strong.
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Don't give us your money.
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Yeah, we don't need it anymore.
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We got these nice microphones.
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True.
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Yeah.
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How do you like this mouth noises, Meredith?
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Nom, nom, nom.
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Ugh.
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Gross.
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Also, keep this in because I'm going to text them like, hey,
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we started our second season.
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I want you to give me feedback on the new microphone.
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And mouth noises.
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And mouth noises.
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Yeah.
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They understand.
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Oh, don't do that.
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I've been practicing.
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I can tell.
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That was actually much better.
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Right back to disappointment.
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I'm fucking going home.
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Bye bye.
53:26
Bye bye.
53:27
Bye bye.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We're professionals.
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Season two, baby.
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The bar has been lowered.
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Better equipment, worse show.
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I mean, now you hear all our mouth noises.
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All of them.
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Thank you for being on.
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Yeah, it was a real pleasure.
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I got to ask you to explain how, when I asked you
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how to pronounce your name, what you texted me.
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Can you run through that?
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Because that is fucking hilarious.
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Yeah, just my last name.
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No.
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People ask me how to pronounce my last name.
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Because I think it's not a hybrid intentionally,
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but it is a mix of two spellings of the same name.
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You have the king who kills his children in the Bible, King
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Herod.
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And then you've got the department store in Britain,
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which is like H-A-R-R-O-D. And my name is H-E-R-R-O-D.
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And so I always say her rod, girl with a rod.
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And then I was like, just in case there's confusion
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about how to say Jimmy or Jai Mai or whatever,
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I said the J-I is like the sound in jizz.
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And then the M-M-I-E is like in me.
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And that is what my AGT following wants to hear.
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That's so perfect.
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Thank you so much for that.
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God damn it.
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That's just a mental image of saying like fucking peg me.
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Yeah.