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Nailing A Job Interview · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: Hello.
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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money podcast for
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Speaker 4: Millennials who want Financial Freedom. My name is Beck Sayed
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Speaker 4: and we are with VD to talk about universally feared
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Speaker 4: subject job interviews.
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Speaker 1: Do you think we should change our intro? Like, you know,
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Speaker 1: you just said millennials who want financial freedom? And I
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Speaker 1: very quickly realized that our community is made up of
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Speaker 1: more than millennials, so.
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Speaker 4: True, it's for anyone who wants financial freedom.
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Speaker 1: I'm not very good at taglines, So if anyone's listening
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Speaker 1: to this and they're like yeah, V, we're getting really
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Speaker 1: sick of you saying welcome to she's on the money
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Speaker 1: the blood girls millennials who want financial freedom slide into
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Speaker 1: my DMS with a better suggestion. Obviously I will credit you.
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Speaker 1: It's all good. But until that happens and someone gives
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Speaker 1: us a better tagline, will continue to use the millennial
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Speaker 1: broken record. But we are talking about job interviews today.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that should be a question I ask in job interviews, Oh,
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Speaker 1: what should our tagline?
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Speaker 4: Tagline bits? That's a pretty good.
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Speaker 1: Question, no pressure, but job interviews are so stressful. I
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Speaker 1: hated job interviews. I feel like, especially with my little
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Speaker 1: ADHD brain, if I had a job interview at three pm,
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Speaker 1: I did nothing for the rest of the day except
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Speaker 1: get ready for the interview and then sit at my
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Speaker 1: dining table waiting for the interview with sweaty hands. And
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Speaker 1: then because they got ready so early, I would then
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Speaker 1: have to go change my outfit because I'd sweated through
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Speaker 1: the outfit, and then I would have to pick it again.
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Speaker 1: But then I'd change it again because I was anxious
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Speaker 1: about what they would think of me wearing such a
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Speaker 1: boring outfit. Right, I just feel like that's not the
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Speaker 1: conversation we're having today though, because I guess we want
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Speaker 1: to pep up a whole heap of confidence into you guys. Yes,
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Speaker 1: because you can absolutely nail it. And I feel like
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Speaker 1: the tips and tricks to nailing a job interview, especially
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Speaker 1: now that I am an employer, and the things that
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Speaker 1: I know employers look for, it's not necessarily the things
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Speaker 1: that you think. Are you know, rehearsing your answers. That's
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Speaker 1: actually a terrible idea because it makes you sound like
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Speaker 1: you've rehearsed your answers and then they go, well, maybe
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Speaker 1: she just said that because she, you know, practiced that
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Speaker 1: answer and thought that's what we really wanted to hear,
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Speaker 1: instead of actually being an authentic human being. So there
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Speaker 1: are a fair few things that can shoot yourselves in
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Speaker 1: the foot, But from my perspective, we all have unique
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Speaker 1: qualities that I genuinely believe can shine in an interview setting.
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Speaker 1: It's just about getting into the mindset and doing the
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Speaker 1: prep so that you do actually shine and you do
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Speaker 1: actually put your best foot forward. So, Beck, yes, are
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Speaker 1: you excited.
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Speaker 4: I'm very excited. I want to know, actually, have you
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Speaker 4: had a really terrible interview before? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I did. I remember it was like
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Speaker 1: for my grad job, and I didn't end up getting
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Speaker 1: the job. So I studied psychology and I ultimately did
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Speaker 1: my fourth year in psychology, and I did it in
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Speaker 1: organizational sac which is the science of people at work,
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Speaker 1: so it's more corporate. And I was applying for jobs
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Speaker 1: with a Big four because what I wanted to get
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Speaker 1: into was management consulting. So I'd applied obviously with all
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Speaker 1: four of the big four in my space, and I
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Speaker 1: was interviewing with a couple of those, and I was
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Speaker 1: so nervous. Thankfully I did get a job with not
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Speaker 1: a Big four. I ended up not taking that. I
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Speaker 1: ended up taking one with kind of like down what
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Speaker 1: do you call not a big four, like still really
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Speaker 1: big corporate structure whatever. Yeah, So we were doing that,
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Speaker 1: and I remember I went into this situation. I'd put
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Speaker 1: my resume in and we did an interview. It was
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Speaker 1: an online like survey thing to see if you got
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Speaker 1: drud in the next round. And then it was a
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Speaker 1: group interview. Scary, Oh my gosh, who does group interviews
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Speaker 1: and thinks that's a good idea? Are you joking? I was,
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Speaker 1: to put it very nicely, shitting bricks, like I was
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Speaker 1: so scared and so nervous that me. Who you look
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Speaker 1: at me right now, You're like's just talkative, Like yeah,
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Speaker 1: I could talk underwater with a mouthful of marbles, like
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Speaker 1: I literally have a podcast, it's my entire career. Do
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Speaker 1: you think I said anything in that group interview?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: No, I was mute.
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Speaker 4: You wouldn't be able to.
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Speaker 1: I just sat there staring at everybody else, feeling awful
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Speaker 1: because they all seemed so flipping smart and so well
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Speaker 1: put together, and all of them had really nice que
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Speaker 1: dresses on, and I was just wearing a dress that
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Speaker 1: I I'd been wearing to my day job, and like,
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Speaker 1: I just didn't look as good. I didn't feel as good.
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Speaker 1: I was judging myself. Should I have done that? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: It put me in the worst possible position. And you
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Speaker 1: know what it was about. It was about mindset. Because
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Speaker 1: I had walked in there with the confidence that I
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Speaker 1: deserved to walk in there with. It didn't matter what
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Speaker 1: I was wearing, didn't matter what I did. I would
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Speaker 1: have been able to actually articulate my value and share
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Speaker 1: with people why I should be there, because it's never
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Speaker 1: about what you wear. No, I mean if you turned
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Speaker 1: up to a bikini to a corporate interview, Like it
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Speaker 1: probably is about what you wear, but like it's really
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Speaker 1: important to realize that the things that matter are not
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Speaker 1: the things that I felt in that moment were important.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't get that job. I didn't actually make
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Speaker 1: it past the group interview stage. Go figure, like there's
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Speaker 1: a reason. At the time, I was heartbroken. I was like,
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Speaker 1: they can't see how's mart I am. They can't see this,
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Speaker 1: they can't see that I'm the worst. I can't see
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Speaker 1: that either, Victoria when I look back, like you screwed
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Speaker 1: that for yourself, Like I had nothing to do, Like
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Speaker 1: I remember going through it, and they did. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they still do this, but they did like
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Speaker 1: psychometric assessment, so like they basically did a intelligence test
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Speaker 1: and like scary, yeah, really really scary, but as somebody
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Speaker 1: who studied them and knew how to take them. I also,
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Speaker 1: let's again be frank, I'm relative, like I do have
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Speaker 1: a high IQ and so it worked out really well
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Speaker 1: for me. But the fact that I could do that
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Speaker 1: whole assessment in the comfort of my own home, obviously
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Speaker 1: feeling pressure, but like not feeling like there was anyone
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Speaker 1: around me. The feedback they gave me was that my
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Speaker 1: personality and the way I presented on the day did
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Speaker 1: not match what my psychometric assessment had said about me.
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Speaker 1: And I was gutted. I was, but that's who I
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Speaker 1: am and that's what I do. Like people kind of
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Speaker 1: sent me for a spin for a very long time.
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Speaker 4: But that's interesting that they didn't know that it was
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Speaker 4: just obviously nerves or something they were was just like, oh,
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Speaker 4: we don't see it.
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Speaker 1: No, no, you see your nervous no exactly, And I
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Speaker 1: just remember being heartbroken. And it's it's funny because those
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Speaker 1: are the things that you hold on too, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: those are the things that play on your mind at
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Speaker 1: three am, even now that I'm in my thirties and
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Speaker 1: have won a different career and to a fair bit
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Speaker 1: more confidence than I did. But it's funny because I
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Speaker 1: still follow the main recruiter on LinkedIn, like can they
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Speaker 1: sometimes pop up, and every single time I see their post,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I still don't like it. It still
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Speaker 1: triggers me because it makes me feel so anxious, like
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Speaker 1: I remember, it transports me right back to feeling like
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Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough and I didn't know enough and
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Speaker 1: I didn't have enough this, that or the other, and
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Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I just remember that so vividly, And
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Speaker 1: I guess that's why I'm now so passionate about mentoring
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Speaker 1: and sharing knowledge and giving you guys the confidence that
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Speaker 1: I genuinely believe you deserve to walk in there and
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Speaker 1: be like, no, I'm a badass. Like no, I deserve this.
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter whether you've got experience or not,
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Speaker 1: like holding yourself well, it's to me a complete skill.
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Speaker 1: If you haven't watched so side note, this is the
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Speaker 1: lamest recommendation in the entire world. There is a Ted Talk.
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Speaker 1: I am obsessed with Ted Talk. I'm obsessed with Ted's one.
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Speaker 1: I'm manifesting doing my own Ted Talk one day on
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Speaker 1: financial literacy. We will get there. But there is a
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Speaker 1: woman called Amy Cuddy and she talks about power posing.
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Speaker 1: And if you've heard about this before, totally get it.
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Speaker 1: You're probably sick of me because it's from years and
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Speaker 1: years and years ago. But it's all about kind of
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Speaker 1: stepping into your true self and giving yourself a little
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Speaker 1: bit more confidence because if you act a certain way,
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Speaker 1: the hormones in your body can change. And you know,
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Speaker 1: you can actually get a bit more confidence just by
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Speaker 1: acting confident, Like you can get a bit more confident
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Speaker 1: by you know, putting your shoulders back and taking a
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Speaker 1: few deep breaths and like deciding to hold the room
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Speaker 1: as opposed to you know, slouching and walking in and
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Speaker 1: being meek. So sure, she talks about this concept of
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Speaker 1: power posing and like power posing in the mirror to
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Speaker 1: get more confidence, and it sounds really lame.
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Speaker 4: No, I love this.
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Speaker 1: It works.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it works.
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Speaker 1: And it's something that you know, even when I'm feeling
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Speaker 1: a little bit overwhelmed, I'm like, all right, well, what's
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Speaker 1: my body language saying to everybody else? Because sometimes if
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Speaker 1: you don't have the words like sitting back in your chair,
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Speaker 1: not you know, not crossing your arms over or slouching
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Speaker 1: over like you know immediately, if someone's like that, they're
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Speaker 1: being a bit defensive. They're a little bit introverted. Whereas
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Speaker 1: if I sit like this, I'm a lot more confident
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Speaker 1: and I'm a lot more you know, likely to you know,
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Speaker 1: be a bit more successful. So go have a look
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Speaker 1: at that. I think it's really important. But that's my
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Speaker 1: horror story about how I didn't get the job, And
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Speaker 1: now I still scroll through LinkedIn and get triggered by it.
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Speaker 1: Should I own follow her, probably for my own mental health.
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Speaker 1: But she's actually a really nice person and I had
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with her.
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Speaker 4: That's fair enough. That's fair enough, Beck.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got this job, and it wasn't scary
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Speaker 1: to get this job. But have you had any terrible
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Speaker 1: job experiences and interviews in general?
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Speaker 4: I have had so many job interviews, not all of
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Speaker 4: them bad. One I'll tell you about two. Oh, I
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Speaker 4: get to really really quickly because I don't want to
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Speaker 4: take up too much of your time. So the first I.
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Speaker 1: Want you to always take up all of my lind
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Speaker 1: is so sweet.
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Speaker 4: Well, the first one was very is more interesting than
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Speaker 4: anything it was. I was going for a prison officer role.
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Speaker 4: Oh cool, and I got very very funn I.
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Speaker 1: Did not see this coming. I did not see this coming.
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Speaker 4: Jobs you would and even like prison officer, I've been
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Speaker 4: to something, even like you know, survivor at tried to
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Speaker 4: get on vib I thank you so much, so many,
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Speaker 4: so many different weird not weird, but interesting.
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Speaker 1: I mean it is a bit of a juxtaposition from
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Speaker 1: you know, you've been in reception, you now work in
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Speaker 1: video production, you're a podcast co host. You also decided
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Speaker 1: that you're going to work in a prison and go
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Speaker 1: on Survivor, Like, I feel like.
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Speaker 4: That's the best, and that is not even touching the sides.
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Speaker 4: But basically, so this this one interview, it was a
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Speaker 4: few interviews in there were such a long process. It
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Speaker 4: took months and months and months to even get to
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Speaker 4: the stage. But there's a few of us. We all
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Speaker 4: went to the Geelong AFL Main.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you know that stadium, and they just held
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Speaker 1: the interviews there.
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Speaker 4: They had not held the interviews. There was a big
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Speaker 4: interview day and there was a few different things we
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Speaker 4: had to do. One of them was role play, So
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Speaker 4: there was an role play there who he didn't know
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Speaker 4: I was such a great actor. But basically I went
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Speaker 4: in here. One of the interviewees interviewees interviewers, sorry I
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Speaker 4: should say, played the role of a very distressed inmate
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Speaker 4: and I had to calm this person down and it
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Speaker 4: probably went for about ten minutes. And this person was
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Speaker 4: very good at acting. It almost it almost trigger. It
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Speaker 4: was quite traumatic how realistic this situation was. Anyway, So
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Speaker 4: that was one of my interviews where I had to
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Speaker 4: literally almost talk down a very realistic inmate. That was scary,
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Speaker 4: but you know it was great. It's actually really interesting
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Speaker 4: and I almost got that job and I can't remember
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Speaker 4: why I didn't. But anyway, the next interview was awful, awful, awful.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: I went to for some reason, applied for a job
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Speaker 4: that I was not qualified for and for some reason, no, no, okay,
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Speaker 4: go for it.
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Speaker 1: You applied for a job that you definitely could have
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Speaker 1: grown into. Oh that's very nice of you to say
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Speaker 1: hate when people say, oh, I wasn't qualified for it.
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Speaker 1: We'll put your hat in the ring. Anyway, if you
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Speaker 1: got to the interview stage, yes, like they clearly say
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Speaker 1: something and you don't they true?
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Speaker 4: Well this, yeah, well that's what I thought. It's all
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Speaker 4: I went to sing. I don't know why they invited me.
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Speaker 4: B Yes, exactly as you're saying, like, that's at them.
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Speaker 4: They could have sent you a icmail being like thank
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Speaker 4: you so much, Beck. That could Unfortunately, we're looking for
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Speaker 4: someone with a little bit more experience, and you would
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Speaker 4: have said when man, thank you ma'am for giving me
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Speaker 4: a response at best. Honestly, I would have preferred that
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Speaker 4: because the way this went, they were asking me questions.
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Speaker 4: I worked in a call center at this point, I was,
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Speaker 4: you know, always working in entry level jobs. Do this job? Actually,
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Speaker 4: So I was a call center, entry level call taker,
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Speaker 4: and I applied for a business sort of role, and
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Speaker 4: they were asking me questions like I don't even I
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Speaker 4: can't even remember them. They were so complex. Yeah, I
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Speaker 4: literally mid interview had to say, I don't think this
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Speaker 4: is what I thought, and I don't think I'm what
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Speaker 4: you thought. I I need to I said, I am
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Speaker 4: in bad interview.
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Speaker 1: That's great, you helped that row.
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Speaker 4: But I had to say that for a while because
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Speaker 4: it was there were a few different points in this interview.
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Speaker 4: It was like a two hour and I said, I
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Speaker 4: think I've misunderstood what's happening here. And I said, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, I'm not to have fired you on the spot.
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Speaker 4: That's very nice.
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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, like that authenticity and that transparency is something that,
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Speaker 1: you know what, a lot of people would have just
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Speaker 1: bullshitted their way through that interview, right oh yes, oh yes,
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Speaker 1: and then look like an idiot like I just want
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Speaker 1: you to tell me how it is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. It was a little bit. It got
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Speaker 4: to the point I was trying to like.
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Speaker 1: I cannot bullshit anymore. We have peak bullshitness.
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Speaker 4: I said, yes, I just think you can see what's
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Speaker 4: happening here. I can see what's happening here. I need
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Speaker 4: to go home.
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Speaker 1: And I have read the room, and I would like
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Speaker 1: to read this room and read out of it exactly.
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Speaker 4: So that's basically those are the two core memories that
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Speaker 4: I have.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, anymore.
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Speaker 4: But anyway, we.
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Speaker 1: Digret, Well, how about we just talk about, you know,
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Speaker 1: some tips and tricks to nailing your job interview. Regardless
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Speaker 1: of whether it's as a role as a prison officer
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Speaker 1: for one of the big four banks, as a receptionist
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Speaker 1: to work in a call center, whether you're gonna go
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Speaker 1: and do this big dog business interview, it doesn't matter right, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: because I feel like the tips and tricks they transcend
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Speaker 1: all industry exactly right.
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Speaker 4: So for you, as an employer, what do you look for?
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Speaker 1: I've got three right, Okay, I feel like, all right,
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Speaker 1: first things, First, dress for success. I know that that
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Speaker 1: is very flippant and we should not in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: three be making the first point about a job interview
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Speaker 1: about your physical appearance, because I do not like that
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Speaker 1: at all. But what we need to acknowledge is that
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Speaker 1: that immediate judgment of you walking in that door and
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Speaker 1: putting your like your best put forward, they're gonna look
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Speaker 1: at you and judge you. I don't care how open
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Speaker 1: they say they are. I don't care what people are
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Speaker 1: going to you know, go oh, but it shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: about what you're at. You're right, it shouldn't, but it
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Speaker 1: is sure, And so we're going to just tackle that
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Speaker 1: one first. So obviously I want you to be super
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Speaker 1: comfortable and super confident and wearing a pencil skirt beck
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Speaker 1: that makes you super uncomfortable, but you think is what
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Speaker 1: they're looking for, is doing the exact dorset for you.
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Speaker 1: Like I know you well enough to know that if
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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let's take back in for
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Speaker 1: a corporate interview, struck her in and like a whole
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Speaker 1: outfit that's gonna make her so wildly uncomfortable. It's gonna
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Speaker 1: make the interview awful. Like you're gonna be adjusting your
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Speaker 1: skirt every two seconds. You're gonna be worrying how it's
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Speaker 1: going to fit, what it looks like, what you look
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Speaker 1: like from behind. You're going to not feel like your
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Speaker 1: best self in that outfit, right, So we're not going
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Speaker 1: to dress like somebody else or what you think they're expecting.
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Speaker 1: We're going to dress appropriately for the job interview, but
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Speaker 1: in a way that suits your personal style. So if
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Speaker 1: you are most comfortable in pants, you're gonna wear pants.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if everybody else in that organization wears skirts.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't worry me at all, because at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, you're not going to turn up in
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Speaker 1: a skirt every day, are you, beck No, So I
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Speaker 1: think it's important to feel confident and comfortable and op
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Speaker 1: for professional attire that actually reflects your personal style. It's
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Speaker 1: like you, but the appropriate version of you for that event.
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Speaker 1: I also believe genuinely that when you look good, you
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Speaker 1: feel good. So investing some time in just like personal
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Speaker 1: grooming before is really really important. So, like, do wash
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Speaker 1: your hair that day, you'll feel super fresh. Like if
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Speaker 1: you wear makeup, pop on some makeup and give yourself
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Speaker 1: an extra five or ten minutes to make sure that
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Speaker 1: you're not rushed in that process, and you can make
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Speaker 1: it a bit more self carey than you usually would,
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Speaker 1: so you walk out feeling like super nice and super fresh.
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Speaker 1: I also genuinely believe in and this is gonna be lame,
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Speaker 1: but dressing one style up from what the expected outfit is. So,
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Speaker 1: if you're going to a job interview where you know
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Speaker 1: that all of the team they actually just turn up
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Speaker 1: in jumpers and T shirts and wear some jeans to work,
16:47
Speaker 1: you're not gonna wear jeans that day. You're gonna wear
16:49
Speaker 1: just We're not gonna go super formal, but we're gonna
16:51
Speaker 1: wear a nice pair of slacks. We are going to
16:54
Speaker 1: dress for the job that we want, not the current
16:57
Speaker 1: situation that we are in, because that is a immediately
17:00
Speaker 1: going to put you in a more polished position. So,
17:03
Speaker 1: even though I know unequivocally if I got that job,
17:06
Speaker 1: I would not be expected to wear that outfit, I'm
17:09
Speaker 1: going to dress one level above because I'm trying. I'm
17:12
Speaker 1: trying to put my best foot forward. And do you
17:14
Speaker 1: know what I actually want you to notice? Ye I
17:16
Speaker 1: want you to know that I'm turning up looking really chic.
17:19
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I care about this,
17:22
Speaker 1: and I want you to know that that, to me
17:24
Speaker 1: is really important. It doesn't mean that you're not going
17:26
Speaker 1: to go back to T shirts if you get the job.
17:28
Speaker 1: I totally get that. But a way of immediately communicating
17:32
Speaker 1: how interested you are in something is to put what
17:35
Speaker 1: others might see as your best put forward, Like could
17:39
Speaker 1: you just turn up in jeans and a T shirt
17:40
Speaker 1: and get the job? Yeah, because do you know why
17:43
Speaker 1: a mediocre, middle aged white man would do that? But
17:46
Speaker 1: when we really want to feel confident, I think turning
17:49
Speaker 1: up a little bit overdressed is not the worst thing
17:52
Speaker 1: in the entire world. There is no such thing as overdressed,
17:54
Speaker 1: like literally nothing. The next is do your homework. So,
17:58
Speaker 1: especially when you're mentioned before Beck that you've applied for
18:01
Speaker 1: heaps and heaps of jobs and done heaps and heaps
18:03
Speaker 1: of interviews, one of the hardest things when you're in
18:06
Speaker 1: that job seeker phase is to like keep your finger
18:09
Speaker 1: on the pulse of what every single company does. Like
18:12
Speaker 1: every single job is going to fit you because you
18:15
Speaker 1: applied for it, right, But like if you're like looking,
18:18
Speaker 1: let's just say a reception role. You're looking for a
18:20
Speaker 1: reception role and you're like, oh my gosh, this actually
18:22
Speaker 1: looks really good. I'm looking for a reception role in
18:24
Speaker 1: the Melbourne CBD and I want full time hours, and
18:28
Speaker 1: you know there might be some other things that you're
18:29
Speaker 1: looking for. You chuck that into sec or LinkedIn or
18:32
Speaker 1: wherever you're looking for a job, and heap are going
18:33
Speaker 1: to come up. Right, You're going to apply for all
18:35
Speaker 1: of them. But it is a shame when you go
18:38
Speaker 1: to that job interview and they say, so, what's Zella about?
18:42
Speaker 1: Can you tell me a little bit about Zella Money
18:44
Speaker 1: and why you chose to apply for the role here
18:46
Speaker 1: at our company?
18:47
Speaker 2: Right?
18:47
Speaker 4: Why us?
18:48
Speaker 1: Why us? Like there's lots of reception jobs out there,
18:51
Speaker 1: my friend, do your research, understand the value, understand the
18:55
Speaker 1: mission of the company and the role that you're applying for.
18:58
Speaker 1: It is so important because so many times I have
19:03
Speaker 1: interviewed people and I'm like, oh, cool, you want to
19:05
Speaker 1: work for Zella Money. I'm so stoked, Like what brought
19:07
Speaker 1: you here? Oh? I saw it on sick Okay, Like
19:13
Speaker 1: I know that that might be the truth of it. Like,
19:16
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm looking for stuff,
19:18
Speaker 1: and I'm putting myself out into the recruitment sphere so
19:21
Speaker 1: I know that you might see my company for the
19:24
Speaker 1: very first time and apply for that job. Can you
19:27
Speaker 1: please at least pretend to care about my value and
19:30
Speaker 1: my mission? And what goes on, because there's nothing more
19:34
Speaker 1: disheartening than interviewing somebody and going yep, cool. So this
19:38
Speaker 1: reception role is five days a week and you'll be
19:40
Speaker 1: greeting my clients and welcoming my clients into my office
19:45
Speaker 1: and making them feel super comfortable. What about Zellary you
19:47
Speaker 1: passionate about and you go, oh, I don't know, I
19:49
Speaker 1: don't know yet. Oh do you know what I mean? Like,
19:52
Speaker 1: you're completely off on the wrong foot. And that's something
19:55
Speaker 1: that doesn't take experience. It doesn't take a genius. It doesn't.
20:00
Speaker 1: These are things that are hygiene they're like hygiene level things.
20:04
Speaker 1: Google the company. Read through their about page on their website,
20:08
Speaker 1: look up what they actually do, like, put them into Google,
20:11
Speaker 1: have a read of the first few articles. Know who
20:14
Speaker 1: the CEO is. Understand what that means. Because the amount
20:19
Speaker 1: of times, and this is historically before Zellern Cheese on
20:22
Speaker 1: the Money got the profile that they have, I would
20:25
Speaker 1: walk into an interview and they'd be like, oh, so
20:27
Speaker 1: do you just recruit for this company?
20:29
Speaker 2: Yeah?
20:30
Speaker 1: I do, I also own it. And there's nothing more
20:33
Speaker 1: disheartening than feeling like other people don't care about your
20:37
Speaker 1: business as much as you do. And I'm not saying
20:39
Speaker 1: that that's still true when it comes to corporate, but
20:42
Speaker 1: even in corporate sharing with the recruiter or whoever you're
20:45
Speaker 1: meeting with, you really care about the mission of this company.
20:48
Speaker 1: I really want to work with you because you know
20:50
Speaker 1: it's a smaller business environment and I feel like I'll
20:52
Speaker 1: thrive here. Doesn't have to be super specific. You don't
20:56
Speaker 1: have to go well, actually, I know that the CEO's
20:58
Speaker 1: name is Craig, and Craig likes dogs, and on his
21:01
Speaker 1: Instagram it says x y. You don't need that level.
21:04
Speaker 1: We just need to have base mission, base values. Understand
21:08
Speaker 1: that they align because as much as you're being interviewed
21:11
Speaker 1: by them, same situation you had beck, you're interviewing them
21:16
Speaker 1: and seeing if it's a right fit for you. True,
21:18
Speaker 1: you're going to spend forty hours ish thirty eight forty
21:20
Speaker 1: hours a week, every single week with this company and
21:23
Speaker 1: these people. Those are more waking hours than the hours
21:27
Speaker 1: you'll spend with your partner. Make the right decision, make
21:30
Speaker 1: it a company that you actually like going to work with.
21:33
Speaker 1: And that's not because I think that your entire work
21:37
Speaker 1: life balance should be about making sure that you love
21:39
Speaker 1: your job. You don't have to love your job, but
21:41
Speaker 1: you do have to be mentally healthy in your job.
21:44
Speaker 1: So let's make sure it's a company that you don't
21:46
Speaker 1: absolutely hate going to. And obviously having that knowledge is
21:49
Speaker 1: going to demonstrate your enthusiasm and actual genuine interest in
21:53
Speaker 1: the role and not make the recruiter feel like you
21:55
Speaker 1: just went on seek and applied for every single one.
21:57
Speaker 1: Even if that's the reality of the situation, I don't
22:00
Speaker 1: need to know that. Yep, that's fine. Then showcase your strengths.
22:04
Speaker 1: There is this misconception that having a high opinion of
22:09
Speaker 1: yourself is ego and it's narcissistic. It's not. It's self care.
22:15
Speaker 1: Having a high opinion of yourself is a good thing.
22:17
Speaker 1: Being able to understand your strengths and your weaknesses is power.
22:21
Speaker 1: It is not having an ego and being egotistical. It
22:25
Speaker 1: is not being narcissistic. It is actually a form of
22:29
Speaker 1: self care and self love and putting yourself first and
22:32
Speaker 1: actually respecting yourself and your body. Like to me, when
22:35
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, no, I'm not very good at much,
22:38
Speaker 1: I'm like, that tells me more about your relationship with
22:41
Speaker 1: yourself than your capability. I want you to be able
22:45
Speaker 1: to see a job interview as an opportunity to without fail,
22:50
Speaker 1: go oh, actually I'm really good at this, not so
22:52
Speaker 1: good at that. Do you know who had a really
22:54
Speaker 1: good interview and they told me they were absolutely terrible
22:56
Speaker 1: at a few things. Miss Jessicin No, absolutely, and I
23:00
Speaker 1: loved every second of it. So in her job interview,
23:03
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this so candidly because she's spoken
23:06
Speaker 1: about it publicly on this podcast before, so we're not,
23:09
Speaker 1: you know, introducing any new information here in her interview,
23:12
Speaker 1: she came along to it and we were talking about
23:15
Speaker 1: the role, and you know what she was really good
23:17
Speaker 1: at and what she was you know, maybe wondering about.
23:21
Speaker 1: She then said, actually, I've got to be completely transparent.
23:24
Speaker 1: In your job description, you said that I would be
23:26
Speaker 1: working on spreadsheets and I would be doing this, and
23:28
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at spreadsheets. I don't like them. I don't
23:32
Speaker 1: actually want to learn anything about them. My entire value
23:35
Speaker 1: sits over here, right and you know, if I'm going
23:38
Speaker 1: to have to go over there, like, I'll learn the
23:40
Speaker 1: bare minimum. But I promise you I'm not engaged. I'm
23:42
Speaker 1: not enthusiastic. It is not what I do. I know
23:45
Speaker 1: you're really good at it, and I'm happy to, you know,
23:48
Speaker 1: learn what I need to to be successful in this role,
23:50
Speaker 1: but I think I should be super transparent, Like, if
23:53
Speaker 1: that's what you're mainly hiring for, I would not be
23:55
Speaker 1: a good fit.
23:55
Speaker 2: Wow.
23:56
Speaker 1: And I remember being like, what w Like no one's
23:59
Speaker 1: ever looked in and said, Hey, so this thing in
24:01
Speaker 1: your job aut that you said you were looking for.
24:04
Speaker 1: I'm everything else, but I'm not that. She basically got
24:08
Speaker 1: the job on the spot. She literally got offered the
24:10
Speaker 1: job on the spot by me because I just felt
24:13
Speaker 1: like somebody being so transparent and so confident about their
24:16
Speaker 1: skills and where their value was and what they valued
24:19
Speaker 1: and what they wanted to do. In that moment, I
24:21
Speaker 1: knew that that was the type of person I wanted
24:24
Speaker 1: on my team. And that other thing, you're never going
24:27
Speaker 1: to get the perfect employee. Like, let's be honest, Like
24:30
Speaker 1: a job description goes out and it's like a wish list.
24:33
Speaker 1: It's like a wish list of here are all the
24:35
Speaker 1: things I would love you to have. I want you
24:38
Speaker 1: to do ABC And unless you've worked in exactly the
24:41
Speaker 1: same role before, it's very unlikely that you're going to
24:44
Speaker 1: tick every single box. And that's why we need to
24:47
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff more often, because often when you
24:50
Speaker 1: apply for a job back, you're applying for one step up,
24:53
Speaker 1: and you're applying for a step up, and that doesn't
24:55
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you've got experience in that. It means
24:57
Speaker 1: that you need experience in that. And if you're a kind, capable,
25:01
Speaker 1: intelligent human being, you can learn on the job, absolutely,
25:04
Speaker 1: But if you're super transparent in your interview about a
25:07
Speaker 1: particular component of that, you're going to get way more
25:10
Speaker 1: respect from somebody than being like, oh, yeah, Na, no,
25:13
Speaker 1: I can do that, I can do that, and then
25:14
Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks they realize, oh, they
25:17
Speaker 1: can't actually do that, Like maybe Beckward so like not
25:20
Speaker 1: being as transparent as she could in her job interview.
25:23
Speaker 1: As an employer, I don't care. I hire, and I
25:26
Speaker 1: mean this is not the truth for everybody, but I
25:29
Speaker 1: hire based on cultural fit. I mean, you have to
25:31
Speaker 1: have some level of base competency, let's be honest, but
25:35
Speaker 1: I would prefer to train you for technical skill then
25:37
Speaker 1: hire somebody that's not the right cultural fit, because like
25:40
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when the MIC's are off,
25:43
Speaker 1: it's you, it's me, it's Jess, it's Analysa, it's Gabby,
25:46
Speaker 1: it's Maddie. It's like the rest of my team hanging
25:49
Speaker 1: out and trying to work out what happens next. And
25:52
Speaker 1: we need to get along. We don't just need to
25:54
Speaker 1: get along. It is so important that you and I
25:58
Speaker 1: understand each other on a deeper line so that when
26:01
Speaker 1: we are doing the work that we do, it makes
26:03
Speaker 1: sense totally. Your technical capability can be taught. You don't
26:06
Speaker 1: know how to do it, I'll teach you. But if
26:08
Speaker 1: you never want to learn, you also need to communicate
26:10
Speaker 1: that too, because that could be a stumbling block in
26:12
Speaker 1: the role. Sure, So I think showcasing your strengths and
26:16
Speaker 1: understanding having a low opinion of yourself Beck from my perspective,
26:20
Speaker 1: is not being humble. It is destructive. It is not sexy.
26:25
Speaker 1: It's a big call kind of I guess it is
26:28
Speaker 1: a big cult. But having a low opinion of yourself
26:31
Speaker 1: it's actually just self destruction. And I don't think that
26:34
Speaker 1: that is very sexy at all. And I think that
26:37
Speaker 1: we all should kind of step a bit more into
26:39
Speaker 1: our confidence and if you can't do something cool, be
26:41
Speaker 1: confident about it be like I don't really know how
26:43
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, but do you know what I
26:45
Speaker 1: do know is that I'm tenacious, and I am smart,
26:48
Speaker 1: and I am willing and I am so excited to learn.
26:51
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. I love that, do
26:52
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, go, Beck, can you
26:54
Speaker 1: do that? And you go, oh no, I don't think
26:55
Speaker 1: so sorry, I haven't got experience in that. Is that
26:59
Speaker 1: a right? Okay? But like flip that? Oh, Beck, I'm
27:03
Speaker 1: so sorry I can't do that. But that sounds so interesting.
27:08
Speaker 1: And this business is something that I'm really passionate about,
27:11
Speaker 1: and from what you've explained, I feel like I do
27:13
Speaker 1: have the skills to learn that quite quickly, So I
27:15
Speaker 1: don't think that should be an issue at all. Yeah,
27:18
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how good is that? In comparison? I
27:20
Speaker 1: just think that reframing as well just so so important.
27:24
Speaker 1: But what do you think? What do you reckon? We
27:26
Speaker 1: need in our arsenal to nail a job interview? Beck?
27:30
Speaker 4: Look, the I think those things are definitely important, But
27:33
Speaker 4: I also think it's important to remember that each interview
27:35
Speaker 4: is like a learning experience, regardless of the outcome, So
27:38
Speaker 4: whether you get it or not, or whether you've gone
27:40
Speaker 4: in there and you're not confident, or you've gone in
27:42
Speaker 4: there and you've done something wrong or forgotten to put
27:45
Speaker 4: yous on or something weird like that, you will always
27:49
Speaker 4: learn something at the end of it. So it's yeah,
27:52
Speaker 4: it's always a learning curve.
27:53
Speaker 1: Do you know what? It's very funny. My mum has
27:56
Speaker 1: this saying that I think helps me a lot in
28:00
Speaker 1: the world, and it's nothing is ever like fruitless. Everything
28:05
Speaker 1: in your life will either be a blessing or a lesson.
28:08
Speaker 4: Oh so she's good.
28:09
Speaker 1: We'll either like you know, get the job and it'll
28:12
Speaker 1: be a blessing it'll be so great, or it'll be
28:14
Speaker 1: a lesson and you've learned something from it. And if
28:16
Speaker 1: you haven't learned something from it, you probably haven't sat
28:18
Speaker 1: down long enough to think about what that learning was.
28:21
Speaker 1: Or sometimes you're not able to see that learning and
28:24
Speaker 1: you're like really upset about it and you really really
28:26
Speaker 1: wanted that and you're just like this is devastating, and
28:29
Speaker 1: then sixty months down the track, you're like looking at
28:32
Speaker 1: the current role you have and you're like, oh, I'm
28:33
Speaker 1: so glad I didn't get that because even though I
28:36
Speaker 1: was super upset about it. I'm now super stoked because
28:39
Speaker 1: now I have my actual dream job, or this actual
28:42
Speaker 1: circumstance happens. It's like when you break up with a
28:44
Speaker 1: partner and you're like heartbroken and you're like, I'm never
28:47
Speaker 1: going to love again, and it's like the worst thing ever.
28:50
Speaker 1: And then you find new love and you're like, I
28:52
Speaker 1: know exactly why it didn't work out with anybody else. Like,
28:54
Speaker 1: I think it's so important because in that circumstance it
28:57
Speaker 1: was a blessing. You just couldn't see that it was
28:59
Speaker 1: a blessing yet totally. So I think that's kind of cool.
29:02
Speaker 1: And just knowing yourself and your strengths and what makes
29:07
Speaker 1: you a good candidate is just really really important. And
29:11
Speaker 1: you're so right, like you can learn something from everything
29:14
Speaker 1: and sometimes not getting the job it's in the best
29:17
Speaker 1: interest of everybody.
29:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's.
29:20
Speaker 1: Not good to be extended a job that you wouldn't
29:23
Speaker 1: thrive in. And hopefully that person that was interviewing you
29:26
Speaker 1: is being super pragmatic and you know, really thinking about
29:29
Speaker 1: whether this is the best fit for you and the
29:31
Speaker 1: best fit for the company. And sometimes a no is
29:34
Speaker 1: actually a good thing for you because it wouldn't have
29:36
Speaker 1: been a good fit. Absolutely, and I would much prefer
29:40
Speaker 1: you to not get the job at the start, then
29:42
Speaker 1: struggle through probation and trying to make it happen, and
29:45
Speaker 1: then not making it and then knocking your confidence even more,
29:49
Speaker 1: Like how awful would that situation be? Them saying no,
29:53
Speaker 1: no worries. I think sometimes just you know, knowing your worth,
29:57
Speaker 1: knowing who you are and what you're looking for, is
29:59
Speaker 1: really really important, because we forget so often that when
30:03
Speaker 1: we are putting our best foot forward, we're not just
30:05
Speaker 1: doing it for that company. We're doing it for ourselves
30:08
Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, like you are doing it for yourself
30:11
Speaker 1: so that you turn up and you get the job
30:13
Speaker 1: that gives you the things that you're looking for, and
30:16
Speaker 1: you're interviewing them as much as they're interviewing you, even
30:20
Speaker 1: though that power dynamic in that moment feels like they're
30:23
Speaker 1: the ones super in control. You can say no, that's
30:26
Speaker 1: so true. You can say no. You can ask them
30:28
Speaker 1: a million questions, Like if they don't give you the
30:31
Speaker 1: opportunity to ask questions to me, that's a bit of
30:34
Speaker 1: a red flag, like them not giving you the opportunity
30:37
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, what about this, this or this?
30:39
Speaker 4: What are they hiding?
30:40
Speaker 1: Well, no, not just what they're hiding, but like, well,
30:43
Speaker 1: why aren't they giving you an opportunity to ask them
30:46
Speaker 1: questions because they should know that this is a two
30:49
Speaker 1: way straight Sure, I think this is the perfect time
30:51
Speaker 1: to go to a quick break. Couldn't agree more.
30:53
Speaker 4: My friend on the other side, we will deep dive more.
30:56
Speaker 1: I love it.
30:57
Speaker 4: Let's do it. Okay, V we are back and we're
31:03
Speaker 4: talking about interviews, very scary subject.
31:07
Speaker 1: How do we reframe that from scary into exciting?
31:10
Speaker 4: Yes, I think by the end of this episode people
31:13
Speaker 4: will be excited.
31:15
Speaker 1: Did you know that the chemicals released in your body
31:18
Speaker 1: when you are scared of something are the identical chemicals
31:22
Speaker 1: that are released when you're excited about something that's just
31:25
Speaker 1: about perception. Wow, that's how your body interprets it. So
31:29
Speaker 1: you actually, when you're really scared or feeling nervous or anxious,
31:33
Speaker 1: and you know you have that deep sense of anxiety
31:37
Speaker 1: that you sometimes get, you could reframe it and go,
31:40
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, a're out, like you could go down
31:42
Speaker 1: and rob a whole bit. So anxious, I'm so scared,
31:45
Speaker 1: Like my hands are sweaty, like I feel sick. This
31:48
Speaker 1: is the worst. You could reframe that and go, oh
31:50
Speaker 1: my gosh, I am so excited. Look at me, like,
31:52
Speaker 1: I can't stop like being anxious about this. Do you
31:56
Speaker 1: know how good that is? Like you can just reframe
31:58
Speaker 1: it into I'm excited in dead of anxious.
32:00
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to try that.
32:01
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hard pill to swallow when you're
32:03
Speaker 1: genuinely being anxious. Yes, but I also think that understanding
32:07
Speaker 1: that that's the same chemical and you can channel it
32:10
Speaker 1: into a different thing, like I'm so excited, And do
32:13
Speaker 1: you know what that means? That means you care? How
32:16
Speaker 1: good is it that you are going to an interview
32:19
Speaker 1: and you care so much about that role? That's good
32:21
Speaker 1: for you, that's good for the organization. Like being a
32:24
Speaker 1: little bit nervous is good to me. Another red flag
32:27
Speaker 1: beck when people come in and don't give two shits
32:31
Speaker 1: about the role. Yeah, oh you're not anxious, you're not nervous,
32:34
Speaker 1: you're not worried in any way, shape or form. Okay,
32:38
Speaker 1: so you don't care that much? Yeah, okay, I like
32:42
Speaker 1: the idea that you might care. I don't want anyone
32:44
Speaker 1: to be anxious around me. I don't want anyone to
32:47
Speaker 1: be scared or afraid or any of those things. But like,
32:50
Speaker 1: I think reframing this like pre interview anxiety as actually
32:54
Speaker 1: care a lot about this, and that's a really good thing.
32:58
Speaker 4: Totally. I really like that. So what are your tips
33:02
Speaker 4: for reframing that and kind of getting more excited rather
33:07
Speaker 4: than anxious.
33:08
Speaker 1: I think it's important, But also you can't do that
33:10
Speaker 1: without practice. Practice practice makes perfect. Absolutely doesn't make perfect.
33:15
Speaker 1: It actually just makes me feel more confident when I
33:17
Speaker 1: do deliver it. And I mean, one thing that I
33:19
Speaker 1: said before is not overly practicing your responses. So when
33:24
Speaker 1: I said, oh, practice, practice, practice, that's important. But what
33:27
Speaker 1: we're not going to do is script our responses because
33:30
Speaker 1: so many times if you're scripting your response, you're not
33:34
Speaker 1: actually listening in that interview. You're waiting to hear trigger
33:37
Speaker 1: word to trigger that response that you're going to go
33:40
Speaker 1: off on a tangent. And then me, if I'm interviewing you,
33:43
Speaker 1: I'm going to look at you and be like that
33:45
Speaker 1: half addresses what I was talking to. But I don't
33:49
Speaker 1: think you were listening, and that sounds like a prescripted response.
33:52
Speaker 1: What I would actually prefer in an interview situation is
33:55
Speaker 1: for you to stop and think about the question that
33:57
Speaker 1: I've just asked you. I'm not judge you on your
34:00
Speaker 1: response time. Like, something that is really powerful in an
34:05
Speaker 1: interview situation is silence. Silence is golden. Yeah, if I
34:09
Speaker 1: ask you a question and you take a second to
34:12
Speaker 1: think about it, great, you're making considered responses. I think
34:16
Speaker 1: a lot of people in interview circumstances are scared of
34:19
Speaker 1: silence and they just feel like, oh my gosh, Beck
34:21
Speaker 1: asked me the question, so now I really needed to
34:23
Speaker 1: respond really quickly. Otherwise they're going to think I'm silly. No,
34:26
Speaker 1: they're gonna think you're silly if you waffle on and
34:29
Speaker 1: on and on. But if you took a moment and
34:31
Speaker 1: then had a relatively well articulated response that hit the
34:34
Speaker 1: nail on the head to the question you were asked, cool,
34:36
Speaker 1: she's a smart individual doing cool things. Silence can be golden.
34:40
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's one or two or three seconds.
34:43
Speaker 1: Do you know what's even more powerful? Give me a second.
34:46
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about that question before. Oh well,
34:50
Speaker 1: actually share your thought processes, and I promise, one you'll
34:56
Speaker 1: be more confident, but two you'll be able to come
34:59
Speaker 1: up with a better res And that does not mean
35:01
Speaker 1: I don't think you should practice. I do think you
35:03
Speaker 1: should practice. Obviously, rehearsing common interview questions and how to
35:08
Speaker 1: respond to them best, that makes you feel confident is
35:10
Speaker 1: going to be good. Do it in front of a friend.
35:13
Speaker 1: If you don't want to do it in front of
35:14
Speaker 1: a friend, do it in front of a mirror, because
35:15
Speaker 1: I promise there's nothing more confronting as somebody who does
35:18
Speaker 1: a lot of public speaking is listening to yourself and
35:21
Speaker 1: practicing in the mirror. Oh my lord, I do not
35:24
Speaker 1: like doing that, but I promise it helps get me
35:27
Speaker 1: to a point where if I'm then on stage, I'm
35:29
Speaker 1: really confident with what I'm delivering because I've seen the
35:31
Speaker 1: way my body is acting, I've seen how I'm presenting it.
35:34
Speaker 1: And if I'm like hunched over a little bit, I'm
35:36
Speaker 1: super aware and I like put my my shoulders back
35:39
Speaker 1: and I kind of keep myself in check. But practice
35:41
Speaker 1: because it's going to help you clearly articulate your thoughts
35:44
Speaker 1: and clearly build confidence in your responses. But I think
35:48
Speaker 1: that instead of just being a robot who like flies
35:51
Speaker 1: off the handle with a really well articulated response, giving
35:55
Speaker 1: it a few seconds. I'm really thinking about the question
35:58
Speaker 1: because I promise the question is going to be asked
36:01
Speaker 1: in a very different way than what you've practiced. So
36:04
Speaker 1: they might say, you know, what are you most passionate about?
36:07
Speaker 1: But they'll say it in a different way, and you
36:09
Speaker 1: haven't practiced that, and making sure that you're really incorporating
36:12
Speaker 1: the question is really important. Something else when it's like
36:16
Speaker 1: just psychology, tip I suppose is to reframe the question
36:19
Speaker 1: while you're answering that question. So you might go, Hey, Victoria,
36:22
Speaker 1: how's your day? And I could respond good, oh, actually, Beck,
36:27
Speaker 1: my day has been and kind of respond using the questions.
36:31
Speaker 1: So one you're reiterating to the interviewer that you heard
36:34
Speaker 1: the question correctly. But two, it makes your response sound
36:38
Speaker 1: a lot more well round it. It makes you seem
36:40
Speaker 1: like you absorbed that question, you took it in, you
36:42
Speaker 1: reframed it, and you spat it back out and answered it.
36:45
Speaker 1: So instead of me responding yeah, I'm good, you're responding, oh, well,
36:51
Speaker 1: actually my day has been really good. And then you can,
36:53
Speaker 1: I guess expand on that. It's you're reframing and it's
36:57
Speaker 1: literally just a psychology. Do you want to call it
36:59
Speaker 1: a technique or just concept reframing? Google it. But it's
37:02
Speaker 1: this idea that when you reframe a question that's being
37:06
Speaker 1: asked of you, it immediately makes the person that asked
37:09
Speaker 1: it of you feel like they are more hurt and
37:12
Speaker 1: they are being listened to. Really easy, doesn't take any
37:15
Speaker 1: type of intelligence or skill like, but if you reframe it,
37:20
Speaker 1: you can make them feel like they're really heard, and
37:23
Speaker 1: that's something that requires practice. And you were talking before
37:26
Speaker 1: you did an interview where it was role played in
37:29
Speaker 1: my degree when I did psychology, or in both of them,
37:32
Speaker 1: roleplay it was such a big part of it, and
37:35
Speaker 1: it used to make me so uncomfortable, like role play
37:38
Speaker 1: with one of my other fellow students, like a counseling situation.
37:42
Speaker 1: I hated it. By the end of it, I was
37:44
Speaker 1: really really confident with it. But like we did whole
37:47
Speaker 1: semester where our job was basically to reframe a question
37:51
Speaker 1: right so hard. It sounds really simple, but when you're
37:55
Speaker 1: in a situation that is relatively under pressure, like we
37:58
Speaker 1: could role play a few now, but in the moment,
38:01
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, how do I reframe that?
38:03
Speaker 1: So it's open ended. How do I reframe that so
38:05
Speaker 1: that they feel like their own feelings are being reflected
38:09
Speaker 1: while being respectful right, Like can be challenging and that's
38:13
Speaker 1: why practice makes perfect, my friend.
38:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. And also just like be yourself
38:17
Speaker 4: because I feel like a lot of people go in
38:19
Speaker 4: there and they are quite maybe like for lack of
38:21
Speaker 4: a better term, robotic, and they think that they have
38:25
Speaker 4: to hide their I don't know their own little quirks
38:28
Speaker 4: and little things that they do so they can fit
38:31
Speaker 4: this like cookie cutter mold that they've created in their
38:34
Speaker 4: own head. But really, just be yourself. Like as you say,
38:36
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of places do like to
38:39
Speaker 4: hire for cultural reasons, like they want someone who fits
38:42
Speaker 4: their cultural vibe. So being yourself kind of helps them
38:47
Speaker 4: know you. It helps you know them the way they
38:51
Speaker 4: respond to you. Like, let's dive deeper into that. I
38:55
Speaker 4: have ADHD. I have a lot of friends who are
38:57
Speaker 4: on the autism spectrum. Like being transparent about that to
39:01
Speaker 4: begin with, I think is really important. And I think
39:03
Speaker 4: a lot of the time, having had conversations with my friends,
39:07
Speaker 4: we hide those things and in reality, those things can
39:10
Speaker 4: actually be our superpower. Like if there's something you struggle with,
39:12
Speaker 4: or if there's something that you know, you might be
39:15
Speaker 4: on the spicy spectrum. And that's good, same babe, Like
39:18
Speaker 4: it's actually one of those things that makes you more you,
39:21
Speaker 4: but also adds so much value to the culture, to
39:24
Speaker 4: the business, to having a different perspective, Like that is
39:27
Speaker 4: something that I value so highly, and I know lots
39:30
Speaker 4: of other people do.
39:31
Speaker 1: I mean, if you get into super corporate, you know,
39:33
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too many people offside. They
39:35
Speaker 1: might actually want a cookie cutter. And you know what,
39:38
Speaker 1: if you pretend to be that cookie cutter, your emotional
39:41
Speaker 1: energy going to work every single day is going to
39:43
Speaker 1: be so high. You're going to be so burnt out.
39:46
Speaker 1: You're not going to enjoy that job at all because
39:48
Speaker 1: you're pretending to be somebody you are not. Yes, that's
39:51
Speaker 1: not hot, that's not good. That's not good for long
39:54
Speaker 1: term career success. Being yourself is so genuinely important, and
39:58
Speaker 1: I mean, understand social norms is really important in these circumstances,
40:03
Speaker 1: but also being transparent and explaining hey, like you know,
40:06
Speaker 1: one of my girlfriends, she's not good at visual cues
40:09
Speaker 1: and not good at body language, Like she doesn't read
40:12
Speaker 1: body language very well, and sometimes I have to be like, ah, yeah,
40:15
Speaker 1: that's bad and she's like oh really. And I think
40:19
Speaker 1: explaining something like that at the start and being like, hey,
40:22
Speaker 1: this is something I really struggle with. So if I
40:24
Speaker 1: seem a little bit like distant or a little bit
40:26
Speaker 1: this or a little bit that, like that could be it.
40:28
Speaker 1: I promise you I'm really excited to be here. Yea,
40:30
Speaker 1: everyone's on the same page. How friggin great.
40:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, the I absolutely love that obviously, you know, asking
40:36
Speaker 4: considered questions and being a little bit aware of your
40:39
Speaker 4: nonverbal communication, like your body language. As you said before,
40:43
Speaker 4: V what would you follow up with? What's your last
40:46
Speaker 4: tip of the.
40:47
Speaker 1: Day again, Fluffy? But I think it matters gratitude. Follow
40:52
Speaker 1: up with gratitude both ways, thank yourself for putting your
40:56
Speaker 1: best foot forward, and go I did a really good job.
40:59
Speaker 1: And even if you didn't do a good job and
41:00
Speaker 1: you walked out and you're like, oh I ruined that interview,
41:03
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I am so glad I showed up
41:05
Speaker 1: for myself. I'm so glad I did that. I learned
41:08
Speaker 1: something today and it was to do that nought again. Like,
41:11
Speaker 1: and I get that because do you know what. We're
41:13
Speaker 1: going to have circumstances in life where that happens. And
41:15
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend it's all sunshine and roses,
41:17
Speaker 1: but being gracious and being kind to ourselves is so important.
41:22
Speaker 1: But also after the interview, send a thank you note
41:26
Speaker 1: or an email that expresses your appreciation for the opportunity. Absolutely,
41:31
Speaker 1: I think just it demonstrates that you're a professional and
41:33
Speaker 1: it leaves a really positive impression. Regardless of how you
41:37
Speaker 1: thought the interview went. You think it flunked, thank them
41:40
Speaker 1: for the opportunity, you think it went really well, Thank
41:43
Speaker 1: them for the opportunity, you're not sure how it went.
41:46
Speaker 1: Thank them for the opportunity.
41:47
Speaker 4: Exactly, regardless of the outcome, whether you get it or not,
41:50
Speaker 4: thank them for the opportunity.
41:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's crazy how many people don't do that.
41:53
Speaker 1: Then you're like it's radio silence, Like I get that
41:57
Speaker 1: you're waiting for next steps from the employer, And I mean,
42:00
Speaker 1: I wouldn't follow up every single day and be like, hey,
42:02
Speaker 1: I really grateful for that interview, just wondering what the
42:04
Speaker 1: outcome is. Like, that's not it like sending a really
42:07
Speaker 1: nice email following the script of hi Beck, thank you
42:11
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to interview me today.
42:14
Speaker 1: Really appreciated it. Loved getting to know more about your
42:18
Speaker 1: company and to give you the opportunity to learn more
42:21
Speaker 1: about you. Can't wait until we next connect. Yeah, Victoria
42:25
Speaker 1: like something that doesn't And I mean, you're probably not
42:29
Speaker 1: going to get a response from this, and I wouldn't
42:32
Speaker 1: expect one because if you expect one, you're probably expecting
42:35
Speaker 1: a bit too much. Recruiters are really really busy. But
42:38
Speaker 1: I promise they'll see that and go, what a breath
42:40
Speaker 1: of fresh air. They're not following up asking for feedback immediately,
42:43
Speaker 1: they're not asking for anything. They're just saying, hey, thanks
42:46
Speaker 1: for that. Really appreciated that you took the time to
42:49
Speaker 1: spend it with me. Yeah, because at the end of
42:51
Speaker 1: the day, I think a lot of times we walk
42:53
Speaker 1: away from interviews and you know you said it before,
42:55
Speaker 1: you like it was not the right fit for me.
42:57
Speaker 1: It was awful. I don't even know I was there,
43:00
Speaker 1: because you definitely ticked their boxes enough for them to
43:02
Speaker 1: want to get to know you. And like, that's a
43:04
Speaker 1: really positive step in the right direction. Totally, So even
43:08
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a positive outcome, we are so grateful
43:11
Speaker 1: for the opportunity, because that's going to either be, as
43:14
Speaker 1: my mum would say, a blessing or a lesson.
43:17
Speaker 4: Perfect thing to end on. I love that fee. All right,
43:21
Speaker 4: good luck everyone out there. If you're going to an interview,
43:23
Speaker 4: if you just had one, tell me about that one.
43:26
Speaker 1: Too, Tell me about them in my DM, tell us
43:28
Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Like I love knowing about you guys,
43:31
Speaker 1: I love being part of the community. But then also
43:35
Speaker 1: like I'm your high woman, I promise I've got your.
43:36
Speaker 4: Back me too also, And good luck and go forward
43:41
Speaker 4: with these very wise words.
43:43
Speaker 1: Have a good week, my friends. We will see you
43:45
Speaker 1: on Friday.
43:46
Speaker 4: Bye.
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