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The Philosophy of Wellness ft Savannah Blake · Think Twice Show

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Protect your peace, optimise your sleep, regulate your
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dopamine. We're basically being told to
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microdose our own humanity, because if we can control
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everything inside us, I know it might finally feel manageable.
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But think about your favourite memory.
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The one you tell with a smile before you even realise you're
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smiling. The one that gets the best
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reactions from people, the one that makes you feel most
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connected. Was it chaotic?
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Probably the greatest memories often are joy is unpredictable,
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grief is messy, love is chaotic, and no amount of ice, barbs or
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adrenaline can remove the fact that feeling alive requires
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things you cannot optimise. Problem is, violence also
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matters. Structural routines are rest on
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an enemy. You can't live in permanent
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chaos and you can't survive on pure adrenaline.
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But when does routine turn into restriction?
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When does protect your peace become pre approve your
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emotions? Where is the line?
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Our guest today is trying to walk that line.
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We've got Savannah Blake with us.
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Model, host, all around cool girl, friend of the show, and
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founder of Soul, A community based on one question.
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What leads your soul? But who the fuck knows what we
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need anyway. Welcome to feed to us.
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My name is Benz. My name is Santa.
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And today we have the beautiful, wonderful.
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We start an episode straight off.
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Does chasing a balanced life rob us of joy?
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No, but to me, a balanced life is one that is in harmony with
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your community, nature and external pressures.
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And I feel like when people talk about balanced life today, these
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aren't factors that they they consider.
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But generally my answer is no. I think chasing a balanced life
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is, is definitely what everyone should be doing.
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What do you think it's about? I don't think I think a balanced
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life of you of joy, but I do think chasing anything can.
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And I think it's important to try and find that sweet spot in
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living authentically and then also just flowing the rhythm of
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life. That is where you find joy in
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the balance. So yeah, I think it's about
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enjoying the flow thing looks like because you find joy in the
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little things of like ups and downs.
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The the reason I love that answer is that you've probably
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engaged with the question. I love that.
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Yeah, I think, I think you you make a very good point about the
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chasing. But before we get into why I
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love Savannah's response, what do you think, Ben?
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I think it definitely robs us of joy for two reasons, though,
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because I think the human experience is categorised by
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like emotional range, through like literature, through data.
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It's, it shows like people find happiness through experiencing
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loads of different emotions and that is the human experience,
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right? And secondly, I don't think joy
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is something you can chase. I think it's a state in which
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you reach after decisions you've made for two reasons.
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I think trying to like chase a balanced life is always going to
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rob us of joy because we're not going to ever get to that joy,
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if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I hear that.
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It's interesting that you put balance and emotion as like you
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almost contrasted them as in if you live a balanced life, you
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won't have extremity of emotion. But I would challenge that
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because I think in a balanced life, you would have ups and
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downs. And I think to, to point to what
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Savannah said, if you achieve some sort of balance that is in,
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in the flow of life, you know, life will have ups and downs.
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There will be challenges, there will be suffering.
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Suffering is inevitable. So it's interesting.
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Why did you think that the ups and downs of like your emotional
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state would you wouldn't have that in a balanced life?
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If we looked at like balance, the idea would be something that
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is relatively stable. OK, Do you know what I mean?
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Like if you, if you want to consider balance, you would
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consider something as stable. And if it's stable, that
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wouldn't encompass severe rage or like severe grief.
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You get what I mean? Severe happiness that wouldn't.
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There is no joy without the. Yeah.
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So I don't think you can separate that from if you, if
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you're thinking of balance, you're thinking the same, Yeah.
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I guess, I guess what, what our our differences like amount of
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range, like how, how extreme are we talking?
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Like I think we're probably both in agreement that balance has
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the normal range of emotions like ups and downs.
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But fair. But I want to go back to your
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your answer, Savannah, because when I was researching this, I
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did look at like the Buddhist view of suffering, right?
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And Buddhist have this concept of suffering called Duca, and
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one of the types of dukkha that they have, it's called sankara
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dukkha. And sankara dukkha is the
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suffering you feel when you have an expectation of the world.
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And because the world is temporary and changing and
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unpredictable, your expectation is never met.
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By the most inevitable, you're going to be disappointed.
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Exactly. And I think what you were
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pointing at is this idea of chasing.
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I don't think Benz, you mentioned the same thing.
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When you chase and you try to control and you try to like get
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an outcome, you're kind of negating the this understanding
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of the universe that is completely unpredictable.
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Yeah. So it's always gonna lead.
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To suffering, I would say when you're thinking too much into
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the future, that leads to anxiety.
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It's like that sweet spot is just living in the present.
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Yeah, because then you don't have those expectations and you
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can't be disappointed. But if you're just living in the
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present, then you're probably gonna Yeah, yeah.
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So it is. Yeah.
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It's just finding that balance in finding balance.
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Yeah, it's because like when I, when I thought of joy, I did a
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lot of research on it and what I came to was like joy is a state
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of alignment. So like you have like
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behaviours, values and your environment.
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So behaviour is what you do. Values is like what you believe
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in. Your environment is what
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surrounds you. And once those are like all in
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alignment, that's where you reach joy.
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So like you can chase probably, I think you can probably chase
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those behaviours or values or your environment, like in the
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sense of cultivating it, but you can't chase joy.
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That's not guaranteed. Those things that you can action
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are somewhat guaranteed, but the actual feeling of joy is never
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truly guaranteed. I, I guess there, there is a, I
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don't actually believe this, I'm gonna play devils out of a
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little bit, but I guess someone could say in the act of trying
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to attain joy, you can achieve some sort of contentment even if
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you don't arrive at the place that you people enjoy.
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Do you know what I'm trying to say?
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So I would kind of challenge the, the like, you arrive at a
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place called joy when everything's in alignment.
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I don't think anyone ever gets to that place.
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That like final destination, that thing is it's not like a
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it's not a finish line. Yeah, it's like a state of
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being. I think it's, it's in those
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moments of, OK, you went to the gym and you felt better after
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it. You made a little step in the.
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Direction. Yeah, yeah, that you find joy
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and it's in the little things. I think people always think at
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the end, always a good journey I think you find joy in.
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This is this is well and good, but obviously, like in our
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lives, we make plans. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
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We make plans. We do actually have expectations
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in the future. We're talking about Buddhist
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principles right here. But like, you know, when we
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leave here, we're going to have a plan about what we're going to
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do next Sunday. Yeah.
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How do you guys like balance, expecting something from the
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world and trying to control outcomes in the future with this
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risk of disappointment and this risk of suffering?
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Like how do you guys find balance or not?
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I just, I just try and accept like it is what it is.
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Yeah, if you do, you don't want to say lower your expectations,
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always strive for more. But just like don't chase it.
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Like it's not the end of the world if you don't get it.
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Like there's so much other things you can find joy in.
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So like even if you get a rejection and something like
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maybe a job that you wanted, take it as a redirection because
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something better is going to come along.
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So I think it's always like perspective shifts in how you
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look at things. If something bad happens, I try
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and think, oh, well, that's because there's that happening
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and I'm going to get something better.
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And it is the case. Like from my own life
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experience, that's what I found out.
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So do you like your best memories come from like memories
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of comfort and peace or memories of chaos?
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I would say comfort and peace because yeah, memories of chaos.
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I don't know. Memories of chaos for me is
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nostalgia. Like sometimes it's like.
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Oh yeah. Like, oh, at that time I was
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with my mates and we had a good time, but really it didn't end
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up that did it. You know, I do think I always
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back at moments that even when I'm with my family or like I
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have a bit more of a like a spiritual outlook on things, I'm
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like, I know that when the time comes or like life starts to
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slow down, I'm going to look back at those moments with that,
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with the people who made me feel seen and comfortable and where I
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feel like trusted in as well. So I yeah, I'm going to say not
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in the chaos. No, when I look at chaos, I'm
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like, oh, thank goodness. Like I get a bit of a anxiety
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feeling in my body and I'm like, thank goodness I'm not there
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anymore. But there are moments of
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nostalgia through it. I'm not going to, you know, deny
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that, but I would say for me, it's comfort for sure.
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I think for me it's chaos, you know, really.
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I agree with that too. Is it I?
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Think the chaos like making it being in fire, like proper fire.
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Those are like such poignant memories and they stand out like
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when you look at your life and I think they say something about
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who you are to yourself, like it's part of the story of who
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you are. And in a sense, like when you
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look back at the chaos, the chaos has not passed.
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You can look at. It from a different you.
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Can take you're. Fine from it, yeah, yeah,
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you're. You're fine, survived and now.
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You can take the lessons and the you could look for it from those
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tinted glasses. Like who says you can't put on
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the roses and tinted glasses? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's true. That's the perspective you've
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you've you've chosen, and I think it is.
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Chaos just makes you feel a bit more, as I was talking about
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with the human experience, like the idea is to experience a lot
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of different emotions and I think chaos allows you to
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experience those. Whilst like, it's not that peace
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and comfort doesn't, but peace and comfort generally drifts
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towards the state of joy. But like, when you think about
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it, if you go back, if you're going to like, say, if you're at
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the end of your life, right, what moments are you going to
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take with you? What are you going to think
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about? Most of you going to think about
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the time when you were grinding and then you fell out with this
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person and then it got life got really hard.
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Or are you going to think about the moment you walked down the
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aisle with your fiance? Do you know what I mean?
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That sounds good. Good, good question.
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But you, you did. You did.
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You did choose like a horrible moment of chaos, like.
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OK, but what is what is chaos to you then as well I guess?
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When you said chaos, I was thinking sort of something like,
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we were in Vegas. We had some people back at the
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hotel, someone robbed someone's watch.
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Do you know, like, that's like, do you know what I mean?
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Like, yeah, do you know what I mean?
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Like something like that is chaos to me.
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And you laugh about it retrospectively.
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Do you know what I mean? That's that's why.
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And it's it's like a good memory that bonded all those people
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that were there at that moment. Yeah, OK, OK, that's fair
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enough, I think. Yeah, maybe define what chaos is
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to you as well. Do you just like equate chaos
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with bad or generally speaking? When I hear that question,
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that's that's how I would take it.
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But no, you could say like, you know, Oh yeah, it was chaos in
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there. Like it was, you know, the party
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chaos or whatever. But then I also could look at as
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a whole perspective of my life. That part was chaotic and it
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wasn't good, you know? So it depends.
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Do you have any, like, chaotic memories you think were good?
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Yeah. Oh, you do.
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Those parties like, you know, the hangover, all that sort of
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things going on until the night time and like just funny stories
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with friends and going on adventures and you know, getting
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lost here and then having to hitchhike somewhere.
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Like, of course there's those are good memories, but I would
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relate them to like, nostalgic. Like, I don't know, that was a
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good time. And it was.
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I know a bit of chaos is fun, Yeah.
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Yeah. And I just think it bonds the
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Group A little bit. I think I really do agree with
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that, that sentiment of like bonding people through that
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moment of turmoil. But I guess if you have chaos,
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like especially internal chaos, yes, that does.
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It's not constructive. Like it didn't bond you to
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anyone. You didn't link with your
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community and it was just like all bad, which I think kind of
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what you're pointing. Different.
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But yeah, if if you can't find something constructive that came
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from the chaos, I can fully understand that it's not.
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That's not a good memory, not really.
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I think with me, I relate chaos to like a type of lifestyle as
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well. And I think while there are
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really great fun moments I take from it, I also look at it, it's
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like a whole lifestyle and maybe that lifestyle wasn't the best.
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I feel like I'm in a better lifestyle now.
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Yeah. Does that make sense?
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Yeah. OK, on to the second question.
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Does happiness come from acceptance or ambition?
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I think it comes from acceptance.
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I think once you are in a place of self acceptance and self
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love, you can from that point be ambitious, but you need
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acceptance first and it can't work the other way around.
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That's, that's exactly how I would have answered the question
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as well. I, I, I would have said it, but
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I would say both. I would, I would definitely say
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both. I think they come hand in hand
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and they go together. But it definitely starts with
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acceptance first, especially when there's moments of turmoil
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or trauma, like whether you're get got laid off on the job or
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you've been heartbroken or you've lost someone and you're
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grieving. Those are moments you need to
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accept potentially he'll and then the next step is to be
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ambitious and move on because I genuinely think we're creative
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beings and we came on this earth to create.
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And when you're not creating, that falls into things like
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depression and anxiety and procrastination.
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So yeah, I think those are the steps everyone needs to take.
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I. Agree.
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Go on Benz. My heart's beating, like I feel
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like I'm on my Jays fully, like I feel like I'm backed into a
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corner right now. But yeah, I'm the opposite.
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I think you need ambition first and I'll take you on like a
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little neuroscience journey that I went on basically answering
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this question. So like pain and pleasure come
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from the same part of the brain. And if we think about pain and
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pleasure is like a sort of seesaw, and this seesaw is
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called homeostasis basically. And the the way you get pleasure
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is to pursue things. So like the desire to progress,
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the desire of wanting more, your brain basically produces
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dopamine and you need dopamine in order to have acceptance,
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which would be generally the idea of serotonin to be relaxed.
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And without dopamine you then can't be relaxed.
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So you need to be able to pursue something.
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You need ambition in order to have acceptance.
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But what if something really traumatic happens and like you
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just don't like some people? You just can't be ambitious,
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like something really bad happens.
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How do you stay ambitious? So on my little Norrisance
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journey, you know, if if so, like obviously it comes from the
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brain, so the same part of the brain.
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And if you take pain, so like something traumatic really
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happens, that basically breaks homeostasis in the sense that
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your tips so far one way, you're trying to get bouts of pleasure
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that will never satisfy the other side basically.
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So when you talk about trauma, we're talking about a broken
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system. So it's a completely different
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framework to the question as to where you reach happiness.
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Like we're talking about a broken system and how we reach
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happiness. And then it's very
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individualised. But if we're talking on a
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general basis, I think you have to have ambition.
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There was like a study done with rats and they basically
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genetically engineered rats to not have dopamine and what would
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happen is they would feed the rat and the study would show
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that the rats enjoyed the food that they ate.
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But what would happen is if they put the food like centimetres
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away from the rat, the rat would starve to death and that's
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because it's brain wasn't releasing dopamine to pursue.
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So take the rats, now they pursue the food.
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If they had dopamine, they would pursue the food.
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And then once they eat the food, they now have that acceptance
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and can have that state of joy. Fair.
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Do you see what I mean? So that's why I think you have
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to have, I see where you're going.
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You have to have ambition in order to have the acceptance
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right. I I genuinely think they tied to
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hand in hand. You know, it's a bit of a
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paradox. Like they kind of 1 doesn't work
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without. Yeah, 1 doesn't work without the
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other Yeah. That's I guess I think.
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The ambition needs to be first, that's what I'm saying.
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What? We disagree on is.
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What should think is what comes first, right?
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But don't you think, Ben, if you don't have self acceptance, you
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can? How can you be ambitious if you
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don't have that self love or acceptance?
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Right. And on top of that, a a lot of
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people like is very evident when they don't have self acceptance.
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The thing that they are ambitious about needs to feel
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their self acceptance. They're like chasing off.
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They're chasing off the achievement in in lieu of
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actually doing internal work, right?
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So if someone goes to find achievement in order to love
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themselves or to get that self acceptance, that's that's never,
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it's a fool's errand to you. That will never work, right.
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So surely when people go and be ambitious, that ambitious about
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the wrong things if they don't have self acceptance, IE when I
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get the car, when I get. The job.
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When I get that, I will feel better about myself, or I will
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get love from other people and acclaim that will make me feel
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better about myself. I totally get what you're
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saying, but like that is the sort of seesaw balance that
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you're going through. So if you have somebody that
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doesn't feel accepted in a group, right, or they feel
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othered in some sort of sense, so they feel they need to
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achieve something in order to balance the seesaw.
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Which is a lot of people. It's like it's basically young
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angst. Yeah.
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As a teenager, everyone goes through this but.
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That is the human experience though.
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That's that's what I'm saying. I don't think that's you can
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avoid that. No, but let's just take young
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people as an example. But obviously anyone can go
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through this. Let's say a young person who
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doesn't have full self acceptance yet and just hasn't
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matured as an adult yet, right? They're going through, you know,
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they're teenagers, they're going through PB.
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Doesn't that person need to accept themselves first?
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Otherwise they would chase the wrong things for self
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acceptance? That's what I'm trying to say.
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I'm not saying I'm not debating the seesaw.
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I'm saying shouldn't the person find out exactly what it is that
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is going to balance the seesaw first?
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But it's, it's almost inevitable that people end up chasing,
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chasing, chasing until they come to the realisation that
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actually, oh, I just need to accept this is just accept
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myself and accept it and then things follow.
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But I, I, I hear that maybe everyone needs to go on that
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journey of being ambitious, trying to find it until they
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come to that realisation maybe. Yeah.
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That's, that's basically what I'm saying.
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I think you need to go through that stage before.
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Why did you give them that? And that was sneaky, the way he
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framed that question, though, because it going to young people
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is always a sneaky way to go. You know, young people like
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young people want. Me to agreeing with you.
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Thank. You So we're here though.
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I agree with both of. You 2.
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Truths. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Weirdly enough, though, like with what you do in regards to
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Seoul, yes, essentially like what they also found out.
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I thought this was like a little tidbit.
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I'm like add on OK, what they also found out was if you like
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cause a lot of pain, you can get it to balance in the other way
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as well. For example, like exercise,
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exercise makes a huge difference.
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So like the reason why people generally don't get addicted to
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exercise, it's because the cost of doing it is really hard and
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the pain, but you do get the pleasure effect afterwards and
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you see it with see it when people get addicted to like
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tattoos because the pain bit or yeah, saunas or cold baths.
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And that's because of the dopamine sort of seesaw
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basically. Yeah, yeah.
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Got you. I think pain is an extremely
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powerful like process that that happens in human beings and it
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couldn't change the trajectory of people's lives.
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It can motivate them to do like really big things.
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I guess my argument is just that once someone has a wound,
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instead of going out and finding an external source to close the
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wound, they need to look within to close the wound.
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But I do think that external source can close the wound as
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well. External one.
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I do think it can. I think it can get you to a
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place where you realise you need to do the internal. 1.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. But I don't think it meaning of
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itself. It will put a bandage on it for
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sure, but it's just going to open up again.
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I'm not sure I agree with that, but do.
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You do you have any pain though it?
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Sounds like you. You know what?
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Yeah. I feel like that's like a sly
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running theme right through our shows like that.
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That happens. Yeah.
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But no, I, I just don't agree with that.
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I think like, you know, when I was doing the research, I was
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like, I get it now. I get why I like the pain bit
22:27
like, because I get the pleasure bit like I get it now.
22:31
And, and I think that sort of pain like helps you find out
22:36
about yourself, Like, and that's what I think Teff misses with
22:40
the wound. I think the wound is what helps
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you, as I was saying, like tips you towards the, the pain bit a
22:47
little bit, but you then get the pleasure as a result, you get
22:51
the dopamine effect of pursuing something or chasing something.
22:54
And I think you're just constantly trying to balance the
22:57
both and I, I, I actually don't think there's something wrong
23:01
with that. I think that's part of the human
23:02
experience. Also it depends on what you
23:04
would differentiate as pain as well.
23:05
Like if pain is going to the gym and exercise it then I don't
23:10
think. I'm not that's.
23:10
Not that bad. Yeah, I'm not considering that
23:12
as pain. I'm talking about like bad
23:14
things happening internally almost that makes you change the
23:19
trajectory of your life. Yeah, and that and crucially,
23:22
damage your own self-image. Yeah.
23:24
And like yourself, yeah, acceptance is wounded.
23:26
Yeah, exactly. Because of this thing that's.
23:28
But things like pain, like going to the gym or you know, you
23:31
know, make rugby for you or whatever, going through stages
23:34
of pain. And that's discipline as well in
23:37
another sense. And discipline equals freedom
23:39
for me. So I feel like it's too true for
23:43
one again. Yeah, yeah.
23:50
OK, on to the final segment. You've been offered the chance
23:55
to join a long retreat in nature, months away from noise
23:59
of work, technology and responsibility.
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You know it could be life changing for your well-being,
24:04
reconnecting with yourself and the world around you.
24:07
But it would mean abandoning commitments at home, a partner,
24:10
a job and the community you contribute to.
24:13
Do you go? So this is interesting because
24:18
if you was to ask me that right now, like would I go with
24:21
someone who has no partner and has no real real commitments, I
24:28
would 100% go 1000%. But if you're talking in like
24:32
maybe three years time where I have a partner, I'm engaged, I
24:35
have kids, and I have a phone, shit, yeah.
24:39
I have your plan on that. And I've got like a sustainable
24:44
community that I have to look after and nurture every likes,
24:47
you know, every week or whatever.
24:49
Then I probably wouldn't because I would hope that I have so much
24:53
peace already in the life that I'm now giving back to others
24:56
that I wouldn't need to go and do that.
24:58
But I would go now. 100% sign me up.
25:01
I, I wouldn't, OK, I'll be honest, I wouldn't go.
25:04
But just because I don't think abandoning commitments, it's
25:09
ever really going to be fulfilling.
25:11
It's not, it's almost like the thing that we were just talking
25:13
about, right? It's like trying to find
25:16
fulfilment in an external source when really like nourishing your
25:20
community, that your loved ones and connecting with your local
25:25
environment where you are is really what is going to nourish
25:28
you. And that's actually where that
25:31
joy that you're looking for in the retreat actually is, is, is
25:34
where you are. So I, I wouldn't go now.
25:37
What do you think, man? I think I need to go.
25:39
Where'd? You go?
25:40
I think so. I was really shocked.
25:41
He's. A.
25:44
Busy. Guy honestly, when it I'm quite.
25:46
Shocked at that, actually. When I'm looking at the question
25:48
that says, you know, it would be life changing for your
25:49
well-being, I like sort of do this on a daily basis.
25:53
Like, yeah. You chase after that feeling I
25:56
feel like. A little bit and there's part of
25:58
me that just realises that like I'm not a good person when I'm
26:01
cranky, like I'm, I'm not a good person to be around.
26:04
And like if I'm being a bad like partner, I'm not doing well at
26:08
my job, I'm not contributing well to my community because
26:10
these things are impacting me. I need to get gone.
26:13
Like I need to go reset. And also, would you argue that
26:16
doing something like that could help you give back to your
26:19
community? Precisely.
26:20
That's what I mean. Like, way better, yeah.
26:23
I've done stuff that's similar to that and it has enlightened
26:26
me in a sense of like, I came back with a new lease of life,
26:30
OK? I learnt something from it.
26:31
And it's not something specific. It's just a feeling you tap into
26:35
and you just feel like renewed. It's like recharging your
26:37
batteries. And then it's like, I came back
26:39
here and I made so many changes in my life that I probably
26:42
wouldn't have made if I wasn't taken out of my environment,
26:45
which is why I would do it. But yeah, I think it depends.
26:48
On how long was that? How long did you go away?
26:50
For I did two weeks in Thailand and I did a silent meditation
26:53
retreat for like 3 days OK. To be fair, that's pretty quick.
26:58
You know that's. Quick, that's.
26:59
Quick, that was like it changed your life like.
27:02
That's what I'm saying exactly. That's a fair trade, you know.
27:05
Yeah, but you're by, you're by yourself.
27:06
Well, it was like 3 weeks in Thailand and then three days
27:09
meditation treat. But I think it's just really
27:12
like being by myself as well and not having anyone there is kind
27:17
of like fast tracks it a little bit, if that makes sense.
27:19
And you came back and you felt like renewed, essentially.
27:22
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. I mean, it's definitely
27:23
declined. I thought like we're like
27:24
batteries, we're like phones, we need to recharge and it goes up
27:27
and down. So that was my recharge of the
27:30
year, yes, but I could definitely do with some more as
27:33
I'm coming towards the end. And also, I do think some people
27:35
like handle stress better, like some people are really good at.
27:39
I don't want to call them punching bags, but some people
27:41
can take that for a while. Do you know what I mean?
27:45
And some people can't. And I'm just not one of those
27:47
people that like, if I'm tired, like short responses and I can
27:50
get like, and I think, yeah, I think you can understand
27:53
yourself how, how you are. Do you know what I mean?
27:54
And you just know what you need to to to get back to the centre.
27:59
Yeah, I was actually talking to my dad recently.
28:00
He's basically like he he feels like he's working a bit too much
28:04
at his age. He just feels like his life is a
28:07
bit too hectic for someone at his stage of his career.
28:11
How old is he if? He's 61.
28:13
OK. Yeah.
28:13
So he's, yeah, he, he's at the end of his working life and he's
28:20
worked so hard his entire life, like no brakes, full commitment.
28:25
And I think one of the ways he wanted to like, kind of reset is
28:30
to move, right? He wanted to like, move house.
28:32
And I kind of advised them to like not do that.
28:35
And this is my personal opinion, right?
28:37
I was just like, I don't think you should do that.
28:39
I think you should try to change your life where you are right
28:41
now. Try to take some days off work,
28:44
reduce your the amount you're doing where you are right now.
28:50
Did I give him the wrong advice? Would you?
28:52
No. But I do think that sometimes,
28:55
like, it's just much easier to fast track it when you RIP
28:59
yourself out of the environment and everything you've ever
29:01
known. And I'd like to do quite extreme
29:04
things when I'm at a point of like burnout.
29:07
Yeah, you're like you're. Done.
29:09
Yeah. Like, because you almost don't
29:10
know how to turn off, especially when you're in the same
29:12
environment. Like, you know, that's your
29:14
routine. That's been your routine for how
29:15
many odd years? So it takes like, going
29:18
somewhere completely different. Not saying you've got to be
29:19
there for the rest of your life or for a really long time, but
29:23
just to reset you and come back and for you to look at
29:26
everything now from a new point of view, a new perspective and a
29:31
bird's eye for you. You know I.
29:32
Think it's like you associate places with certain feelings,
29:36
right? So it's why people say don't
29:38
like stay in your bedroom all day because then you struggle to
29:42
sleep in the evening, for example, like or like when you
29:44
go to the library, it's easier to work because you're around
29:46
other people working, you're around books, etcetera.
29:49
And I think if you've stayed somewhere for as long as he
29:53
stayed there, he's associated certain feelings with that place
29:58
and he wants exactly. And now he wants to develop
30:00
something new, new feelings, new routines.
30:05
You probably need your environment to change in order
30:07
to achieve that, maybe? You can still be the same
30:09
country could be like just. Oh yeah, you just want to move
30:12
area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:14
I'd say my parents moved to Ken, the garden of England, and they
30:19
are happy. They're really, really happy.
30:21
And I can't, like, I go there a lot and I'm very, very happy as
30:24
well. Like, it's quite nice having a
30:27
bit of distance from everything, you know, and associate with
30:31
like, your whole life. You can kind of come out and
30:34
unplug. But it's like even when I'm at
30:36
home, I'm like, I just can't. I can't overthink about certain
30:40
situations and things I've got to do that week.
30:43
But when I'm there, I just kind of feel like I'm on holiday a
30:46
little bit, you know? Yeah.
30:48
But maybe I was talking from a place of luxury in that I don't
30:51
have those entrenched like feelings where I am right now
30:55
and I don't have like any negative feelings towards my
30:58
routine not. Yet.
31:00
But he but he, my dad does right.
31:02
He's done. It for like 30 years plus a long
31:04
time. Exactly like same journey to
31:06
work and like back and like he's gone gym in the exact same
31:09
place, play football there, go shopping here.
31:11
I might have to give him a call. Thank you for joining us.
31:19
Did you enjoy yourself, Savannah?
31:20
Yes, I did. Thank you so much for having.
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Me guys love. Some great questions.