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The Power of Breathwork: Can Changing Your Breath Change Your Life? · the ACT OUT podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Act Out Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Adam Tomlin.
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SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is breathwork coach, John Paul Krimi.
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SPEAKER_00: Let's roll the tape.
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SPEAKER_00: Hey, John Paul, how are you?
0:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
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SPEAKER_00: How are you doing today, Adam?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm doing okay, but as I was coming up the stairs, I uh got a little out of breath.
0:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't think I'm managing it very well.
0:23
SPEAKER_00: Do you happen to know anybody I can talk to to uh help me with that?
0:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's lots of good breath work out there.
0:31
SPEAKER_01: Um you know, I'm the breathwork teacher, but the that's one of the things that we should probably cover right off the bat.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, breath work is an umbrella term.
0:39
SPEAKER_01: It's like saying fitness, right?
0:41
SPEAKER_01: If you Adam, I do fitness, you'd be like, oh, okay, what do you do?
0:45
SPEAKER_01: Do you do CrossFit?
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Do you do soul cycle?
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, what kind of fitness are we talking about here?
0:50
SPEAKER_01: And so breath work is the same thing in that way.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's like different, there's breath work for, you know, athletics, specific techniques to make you better at sports.
1:01
SPEAKER_01: There's techniques to calm you down, your nervous system down when you're having anxiety, when you're stressed out.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, the specific type of technique that I like, I know them all, I've taught them all, I've done them all.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: The one there's one that I focus on, and it's called circular breath work or conscious connected breathing.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: And it's this intense style of breath work that the most common statement after my classes is holy shit, that felt like 20 years of therapy without saying a word, right?
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Really?
1:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:29
SPEAKER_01: And so like I'll have a construction guy at my house doing something, you're like, What do you do?
1:33
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I do breath work, and he's like, What's that?
1:34
SPEAKER_01: I go, Well, it's kind of like 20 years of therapy without saying a word.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I need that, I want to try it.
1:38
SPEAKER_01: And then, like, I get the construction guy in my class, and they have this big emotional release that they weren't expecting.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: It's way more intense, it's more like a workout, right?
1:48
SPEAKER_01: It's not a relaxing meditation, and you lay flat the whole class, you do it flat.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: So one of my buddies is like, you should lead with lay flat the whole class, bro.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: Like get people in there quicker.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: And so I was about to say, man, you're essentially pitching this to me.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: You said that it's 20 years of therapy and just a couple of minutes, and you get to lay down while you're doing it.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, man, that's just I'm already in.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a little uncomfortable in the beginning.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: Like the first three or four songs, I have music playing, I'm coaching you over the music.
2:19
SPEAKER_01: The first three or four songs, your brain's kind of fighting you.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't want you to do this because there's a thing that can happen during it called transient hypofrontality.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: Part of the prefrontal cortex of your brain can shut down or shut off in this incredible way.
2:33
SPEAKER_01: It's what I was always trying to do with drugs and alcohol and and couldn't I'd always always shoot the mark.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: And and so Me too, man.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: I found it with this breath work.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: It turned off my brain in this beautiful way and moved me into my heart.
2:49
SPEAKER_01: And so your brain doesn't want you to turn it off because your brain's job is to protect you.
2:53
SPEAKER_01: It's this supercomputers, and it's a job, it's like it's got to protect you from all these things out there.
2:58
SPEAKER_01: So it fights you in the beginning, it fights you for the first three songs.
3:02
SPEAKER_01: And so people are like, oh, it's really hard.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you know, and I'll say during the class, you've done harder shit in your life, Adam, than lay on the floor and breathe.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: Come on, you can do this.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: You're just breathing on the floor.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: And you're right, yeah, you're right.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: I am just breathing on the floor.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: But it's fighting you for the first couple songs because it doesn't want you to shut it down.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: So it's a little more intense than people expect it's gonna be.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: And I do kind of an eight-minute talk in the beginning to prepare people properly to tell them, like, listen, some weird shit's gonna happen.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: Your arms are gonna tingle, your face is gonna tingle, your mouth might get tight, your hands might cramp up like this.
3:35
SPEAKER_01: It's called tetany.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: It happens to a lot of people their first couple of times they do breath work.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: I go, you know, and that's normal.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: If you're throwing up gang signs, if you're doing the karate kid, it's actually part of it, you know.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: So you know, uh one uh symptom of a concussion uh sometimes is like kind of like they they call it fencing or something, where your arm will kind of involuntarily uh, you know, kind of like move out into a fencing position.
3:59
SPEAKER_00: So I wonder if there's something in the breathing that kind of like maybe activates a part of the brain uh activate instead of like damage that would happen with a concussion or something.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: That's I don't know, you saying that it's just really interesting to me.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: I've had a couple pretty bad concussions.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: That's a little different thing that's going on there.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: What's going on with the breath work is when you like when I first learned it and this would happen, I there was only these new age woo-woo teachers out there.
4:24
SPEAKER_01: So I'd be like, what's this?
4:25
SPEAKER_01: And they'd be like, Oh, it's the moon, it's the stars, it's you're detoxing off weed.
4:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I haven't smoked weed in 20 years.
4:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, to come up with all these bullshit reasons, right?
4:34
SPEAKER_01: And I had a feeling, I had a thought because I was doing these classes that were sold out, and I would notice certain things around the room with people who were getting the tetany more than others.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: And I would go, there's a commonality here, there's a common thread.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: They're breathing a lot harder, they're breathing a lot faster.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: So I brought in this uh health and science researcher from Harvard, and I said, here's my hypothesis on this.
4:54
SPEAKER_01: And she researched it and she actually found out she's like, Yeah, you're right.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: What's going on is they're breathing so fast that they're throwing off CO2.
5:01
SPEAKER_01: CO2 binds to oxygen.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: We need CO2, it actually helps us.
5:06
SPEAKER_01: But when you breathe that fast, you're throwing it off, and that's what cramps you up.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: That's what causes the tetany.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: And it's not bad, it's not gonna hurt you, but you have to prepare people properly.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: You have to tell people like this can happen to you, or they think they're having a stroke, right?
5:20
SPEAKER_01: And so I used to go to classes and they wouldn't tell people.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, you gotta tell people that this shit is gonna happen to them.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that I decided to do was A, I'm gonna prepare people properly for this session.
5:31
SPEAKER_01: B, I'm gonna bring in the science.
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SPEAKER_01: C, I'm gonna push people and motivate people, and because no one would say anything when the classes I went to, you know, D, I'm gonna play cool music because the music sucked that when I when I first went there, you know?
5:45
SPEAKER_01: And so I think Gregorian chants essentially.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: It was all this weird new agey shit.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: And I put, you know, I'll play Billy Joe and I'll play, you know, the Who and Led Zeppelin and all kinds of cool shit.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, and I play sort of towards the end of the breathing, Fleetwood Mac, I'll play like Landslide, right?
6:03
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, nobody gets through landslide without breaking down and crying.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: If you if you do, you're dead inside.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: You're just dead inside.
6:10
SPEAKER_01: I can't help you, you know.
6:12
SPEAKER_01: So I'll play all this music, and the goal in the beginning is to motivate you, to push you to do it.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: And then towards the end of the breath work, it's about 30 minutes of active breathing.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: Towards the end, my goal is to crack you open, to have you to have this big emotional release, to let go of all this shit.
6:29
SPEAKER_01: Because what people don't realize is they're walking around with stuff stored in their nervous system, shit that's happened to them through their lives, their childhood.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: And some of your stuff isn't even your stuff.
6:39
SPEAKER_01: Trauma is passed on to the DNA.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: Science has proven that trauma's passed on to the DNA.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: So you thought you were screwed up because of your parents, and you're right, it is their fault.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: Call them and let them know.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: No, don't do that.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: I have people call your parents.
6:52
SPEAKER_01: Hey, mama dad.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: Don't text or call any exes afterwards.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: That's a terrible idea.
6:57
SPEAKER_01: It's like drunk dialing, you know.
6:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, so you know, you have this big emotional release, you know, during the class or after the breath work's over.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: And then I have you pull moments of gratitude, moments of love from your life because I don't want you to leave with just that holy shit.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: I remember that time when I was a kid with this traumatic thing happening.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: So it's a pretty powerful ride.
7:19
SPEAKER_01: It's an experience, and some people liken it to psychedelics without having to take anything.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: You know, ayahuasca's the rage these days, and people go, Well, how is this, you know, different from ayahuasca?
7:30
SPEAKER_01: I'll go, well, it has literally some of the same effects and benefits of it, but you don't you can do it on a Tuesday afternoon and you can pick up your kids from school, you know.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go to your shaman Steve in Venice to uh to take it.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: So what you're saying is very interesting because I I kind of assumed that uh breath work was uh very like uh transcendental, new age and stuff, but it seems like you're coming at it from a much more like scientific perspective.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: Um what do you think it is then that about the breath work that can uh kind of move that trauma out of your uh out of your system?
8:15
SPEAKER_01: I think that, you know, most of the breathwork techniques out there are these great techniques where you breathe in through your nose, you know, down into your belly, and you do a long exhale and you're relaxing your nervous system, right?
8:27
SPEAKER_01: There's all these great techniques for that.
8:29
SPEAKER_01: And this one is not that, it's through the mouth.
8:31
SPEAKER_01: It's intense, right?
8:32
SPEAKER_01: So you're taking in way more oxygen.
8:34
SPEAKER_01: But also when you're breathing through the nose, you're breathing into parasympathetic, which is rest and digest, right?
8:40
SPEAKER_01: When you're breathing through the mouth, you're breathing into the sympathetic nervous system, which is fight or flight.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: And that's that's where I believe the trauma is stored in our fight or flight, in our, you know, sympathetic nervous system.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: So we're purposely breathing through our mouth into the sympathetic to clear this with the intention of clearing some of these things, to let go of some of these things.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, when a rabbit gets chased by a fox through the woods, and if it gets away, it almost just got killed by the fox, it shakes to release that trauma that it just had.
9:10
SPEAKER_01: And this is one of our ways, I believe, that to do that, to release our trauma.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And we don't even realize we're carrying around all this stuff.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:18
SPEAKER_00: So do you think that by breathing in through the mouth long enough?
9:23
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm assuming that your body or your brain is fighting at those that, you know, like the first three thong three songs, like you had said, but there comes a point after, you know, you've you've kind of like worked past that where uh you kind of induce sort of like on a small scale, like that fight or flight instinct just by by breathing, but you're doing it in a controlled environment.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: And that kind of that helps with with you guiding and uh, you know, and all that to where like that's how it gets released, do you think?
9:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: I think that so sometimes we'll breathe through our mouth when we're exercising intensely, right?
9:57
SPEAKER_01: When we're like a lot of athletes will get there when they're starting to get you know heavy into the match, whatever it is, boxing or tennis or whatever, but your your bot your muscles are using that fuel, right?
10:09
SPEAKER_01: This you're laying flat on a mattress or on a yoga mat or the floor or whatever.
10:15
SPEAKER_01: And so you're not using it for the fuel to move around.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: And so there is something really unusual that happens there.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: And I think part of it is our intention.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: People have forgotten, this is gonna sound a little new agey, that like we can heal ourselves.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: We can heal our bodies when we set intention to heal our body when we put focus on it.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, you know, the opposite of that is we can stress ourselves out, we can ruin our bodies.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: I have alopecia, I have no hair, I have no eyebrows.
10:45
SPEAKER_01: If you don't notice, I lost all my hair in my 20s because I stressed myself out.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: It's brought on by stress and trauma.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: So if that's true, if I can stress myself out to ruin my health, to affect my physical health, then why isn't the reverse true if I can set the intention and put the focus on healing my body too?
11:05
SPEAKER_01: But that sounds woo-woo, a new agey, but everybody knows that you can stress yourself out enough to get a heart attack or cancer or whatever these days.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: Why wouldn't the opposite be true?
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh that that is true.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: I not necessarily being able to cure yourself from cancer, but to uh like kind of like resolve trauma or something.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
11:25
SPEAKER_00: I kind of agree with that.
11:26
SPEAKER_00: How did you get started into this breathwork?
11:30
SPEAKER_00: Because it seems like you would not be the uh the stereotypical person, so to speak.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that you said that.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's kind of like one of the appeals to some of the people who like my style is I'm not your normal breathwork guy, right?
11:43
SPEAKER_01: So um it was a series of events.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: I met Tony Robbins.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: He was really cool.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: He invited me to a seminar that opened me up and to try different things.
11:53
SPEAKER_01: And then my very close friend, um, Matthew Perry, the actor from Friends, he um he had gone to this like healer guy in LA.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: This girl took him to this healer, and he had an experience which he was sharing with me.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, dude, that sounds ridiculous.
12:08
SPEAKER_01: That sounds like he was asphyxiating you.
12:10
SPEAKER_01: Sounds like, and he's like, Well, I want you to try it because you're my only friend who's open-minded enough to even try it.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: And I need someone to talk to about this because it's so wild.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: So I went to this guy and he did all this weird shit.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: And some of it was breath work, not the style that I teach today, a different technique, but it was it was incredible.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: It was wild.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: And the next day I had this experience where my head was turned off and I just felt lighter and different.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: And I started going down a rabbit hole of all the different breath works.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: I worked with that guy for a while.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: I worked with this other guy, and I learned the technique that I do today, that I teach today.
12:44
SPEAKER_01: And I had a realization in one of my earliest breath work sessions.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like, why doesn't everybody know about this?
12:50
SPEAKER_01: This is the most incredible thing I've ever found in my life.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, I wouldn't have ruined everyone's life when I started doing drugs if somebody had shown this to me when I was a teenager, right?
12:59
SPEAKER_01: And so my realization was, oh, it's been kept in these new age woo-woo circles by new age people.
13:05
SPEAKER_01: And people like to do things that with people they can relate to, people that are like that.
13:09
SPEAKER_01: So I thought if somebody taught this in like a cool East Coast, edgy way, Tony Robbins style, they'd have hundreds, and they brought in the science and cool music, they'd have hundreds of people in the room, maybe thousands.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: And that's been true for me.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: It didn't happen overnight.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: It took a little time because I was trying to convince people like, hey, come to my breath work class.
13:27
SPEAKER_01: And 15 years ago, people were like, What the fuck is breathwork?
13:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: My friends would be like, bro, I'm not coming to your class to pay you and make me breathe, right?
13:36
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, it took off.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: Right.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: I mastered that in utero, man.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: I I know how to breathe already, bro.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: I've been doing it already.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: And but like it took off.
13:45
SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, I had celebrities in my class and I had models in my class, and there was an article that came out, and then all my friends who wouldn't come are like, hey, how do I get in that sold-out class with the supermodels?
13:56
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Oh, it's too late now, bro.
13:57
SPEAKER_01: You missed the boat, right?
13:59
SPEAKER_01: But Matthew Perry uh came to one of my first classes that I ever did.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: I had never taught a class before, and he was like, This is your gift.
14:06
SPEAKER_01: This is what you're supposed to do.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Really?
14:08
SPEAKER_01: I I don't want to be the breath work guy.
14:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, I still was resistant even in the beginning.
14:14
SPEAKER_01: But people kept coming and having these big experiences.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: And it was kind of undeniable at one point.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: We're like, This is this is what I'm good at.
14:21
SPEAKER_01: And I felt really good.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: I felt really good helping people, you know, they'd have these big experiences, and it it it was fulfilling for me.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: I was like, it was life-changing.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: So I embraced it and I just said, if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this my way.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm gonna do this in a way with humor and science and emotion and music and whatever I want to do and like just do my class.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: And it people really responded to it.
14:46
SPEAKER_01: I've been teaching it for 15 years now.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: I've led the largest circular breathwork class ever in Switzerland.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: I did 900 people.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: And then ironically, last year, Tony Robbins people reached out to me and hey, hey, we hear this, you're this amazing breathwork teacher.
14:59
SPEAKER_01: We'd love to have you do one of Tony's seminars.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Do you know my story?
15:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, Tony started this whole journey.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: He invited me to his thing you know, 15 years ago or whatever.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: And they said, We didn't know that.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, I go, this is like a full circle moment for me right now.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: It's amazing.
15:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, how apropos?
15:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, it was it was pretty cool.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, uh, granted, I'll be there for you, John Paul.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: How on earth did you meet uh Matthew Perry?
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh well, let me see.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: How do I say this?
15:31
SPEAKER_01: We didn't drink together for a long time.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: So we were both sober, and um I was a sober coach for uh many years, sober companion to rock stars and celebrities, helping them get sober, trying to help them stay sober, all that kind of work.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: And uh, I was doing that work when I found breath work and I started incorporating that.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it was funny because I'd be in someone's house, you know, some big celebrities,$20 million house helping them.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: And I'd I'd be getting paid lots of money, but I was like, I want to be helping more people.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Like they're just in the room, they won't even come out of their bedroom.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting here eating cheese and crackers and Diet Coke, you know.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I I know I have so much more to give in the world.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: I know I have a gift, but I don't know how to get there.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: And so I just felt like it, I there was more for me to do in this planet.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: So I can actually see that uh, well, I mean, granted, I'm not a celebrity or nor am I implying I am one, but it seems like you were a very like genuine, uh, like kind of just an authentic person.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: I would imagine that you treated Matthew Perry like a guy named Matthew.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And uh these celebrities and supermodels are probably just being, you know, treated like Adam or you know, like Matt or something.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: And it probably makes them feel pretty comfortable.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: That's just kind of a guess.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how you show up really matters with people like that.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: I was a celebrity trainer before I was a celebrity sober companion.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: That was that's why it was an easy transition.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, yeah, I don't give a shit who you are.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: Give me 20 push-ups.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
17:05
SPEAKER_01: Like, let's let's get you in shape.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: You need you want to get in shape for the movie, you want to tell me how awesome you are.
17:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, let's fucking go.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: I didn't really care about celebrities all that much.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't that impressed by them.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: Um I you know, I learned, you know, that they're just regular people like everyone else, and their lives aren't as uh amazing as they seem to most people out in the world, even though they have this incredible house and all this money and all this stuff.
17:29
SPEAKER_01: They most of them get really isolated, which is kind of sad because they don't know who to trust.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: And isolation is the worst thing for a human being, especially a human being with addiction or alcoholism or you know, that kind of stuff.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: It's the worst thing to be isolated.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: So I saw that, you know, I worked with a lot of people struggling.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: And I just, you know, wasn't that impressed by all of that.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, you know, show me who you've helped.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: I I did have a moment, you know, where I was helping all these people and I was kind of frustrated and like, where's mine?
17:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, where's my cash and prizes?
18:00
SPEAKER_01: And my my buddy said to me, really beautifully, he said, you know, I think you're measuring success wrong.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: I go, what?
18:07
SPEAKER_01: He goes, you're measuring success by houses and money and all these different things.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: What if you measured success by how many people you've helped?
18:15
SPEAKER_01: If you did that, you're one of the most successful people I've ever met.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: Because I'd help a lot of people.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: And he and I was like, holy shit, I've never even considered measuring success by how many lives I've changed on the planet.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: Like maybe that's a better measurement than a big house with a f you fancy what pool or whatever.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's a a much more beautiful, authentic measurement for me.
18:38
SPEAKER_00: I was actually gonna say that uh I what I really appreciate appreciate about your journey is it's kind of the opposite of what you would expect someone to do.
18:47
SPEAKER_00: You would expect someone to start out and just uh doing some like classes and building up like just around the regular folks, but all this whole time being like, how in the world can I make you know millions of dollars and hang out with the celebrities?
19:02
SPEAKER_00: But you got to kind of do that.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, first, uh you know you got to do that first.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, okay, how can I help more people?
19:09
SPEAKER_00: So I I I love that that's kind of the opposite.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a great observation on your part.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to be rich and famous.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: That's why I went to Hollywood, right?
19:18
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to be a famous actor and be rich and famous so I could do whatever I wanted, I could party however I wanted, you know, all those things.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: And the irony was that I got sober and I ended up helping all those people.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: And it it was kind of like God, higher power, whatever you want to call it.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Was like, this is what you thought you wanted.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: Let me show you what it looks like.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Let me show you what this life looks like and where it will take you.
19:42
SPEAKER_01: And I after seeing it, I was like, oh, this isn't really all, you know, I thought I want to be a rock star.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't want to be a rock star?
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Sounds amazing.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: Then I got to tour with these bands all over the world, all over Europe.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is exhausting.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Like you're in a bus sleeping in a in a bus with like 10 guys and a little bunk, and then you're that guy really did call himself a golden god.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: It was ridiculous.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was not all it was cracked up to be.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, getting on stage and playing music, if you love to play music in front of thousands of people, there's something amazing there.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of feel like that sometimes now when I get to do my classes.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Like I get to get up on stage and lead my class and take people through this thing that's like they love and it makes them feel amazing.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: I feel like a rock star when I get to do that.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't like, and it's funny because I would see the rock stars, they had to do press, they had to do meet and greets, they had to do all this shit they didn't want to do, riding on the bus, you know, radio appearances.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: I kind of feel like that sometimes.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: I got to do all these things and answer emails and deal with this and that.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: But when I get to get up and do my class, like that when they get to get up on stage and play, like that's the thing.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: That's why you do all that stuff.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: So you get to do this thing.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: So I I I'm a little I'm I'm a little bit of a a weirdo, I'll admit.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, one of my favorite things in the world, I love to give a speech.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I love to be in front of a crowd.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: And I mean there's just something like whenever I am like talking in front of a group of people, I feel alive.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh that I was actually going to say I've had a very, very long uh history with uh with drugs and alcohol.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: Um when I am up giving a speech, the best high I have ever felt in my entire life, and I've taken a lot of good drugs before.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: Nothing can match that moment whenever you're up on stage.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh but then afterwards.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: If you aren't right with yourself, oh my god, trying to come down from that can be absolutely awful.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Billy Joel talks about that.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: He says, You're up on stage, you know, 20,000, 30,000 people adoring you, singing along with your song.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: And then you gotta go back to your room and you're like in your hotel room by yourself with like the TV, just like trying to come down from that.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: It's not easy, you know, afterwards.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: And people are like, oh, boo hoo, you know, boo hoo for for you.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Nobody gives a shit, you know, and and people don't care that you're struggling with that.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like money, like rich people, people have no sympathy for people with money.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: And everybody thinks, you know, they know that money's not going to fix them, but they want to find out for themselves.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: That is very true.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and I think it was even um like Matthew, uh, I think Matthew Perry at one point had a um, like I think he uh talks about it where he's like he he prays, like God, uh, you know, if you uh if you just let me be famous, you can do whatever, you know, like whatever you want.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I the way he says it, he's like, well, God really, you know, like took uh you know, took took that uh deal to uh to heart, so to speak.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: But I think that it's it's doing something and becoming famous for the sake of fame itself and the sake of notoriety versus doing something that uh makes you feel whole and that you're passionate about and that you think that you're or it's something that you're making a difference with.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: I think those are kind of like the two big divergences when it comes to fame.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you're exactly right.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: It's the success without fulfillment and purpose is empty.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: And Tony Robbins always says that, you know, and Matthew told me all kinds of amazing stories.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Some of them I share, some of them I don't.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, he said that he thought when Michael J.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: Fox, you know, had the number one movie and the number one TV show at the same time.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: He's like, if I get that, then then I'll be happy.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: And he got it.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: He had the number one TV show and he got a number one movie, and they had him at the same time.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, and I was in my closet, you know, smoking crack or doing drugs or whatever he was doing.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: And it's like it didn't fix me.
23:53
SPEAKER_01: It didn't, it didn't fill that hole inside of me.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: Because whenever you're looking for happiness or purpose or fulfillment outside of yourself, it's not there.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: It's always an inside job.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: And people don't want to hear that.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: They think that the marriage and the kids is gonna fix them.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: They think that the career and the whatever, the car, the house, it's gonna fix them.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't, it does for a minute, and then it's empty, and now you got to fix the house.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's so many problems when you own a house.
24:19
SPEAKER_01: There's so much shit that you got to fix all the time.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: I told my wife, I'm like, I don't want to be a homeowner anymore.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of fixing shit.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: I fix one thing and then two things break.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: This is not what it's cracked up to be.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm so over it.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: And so happiness, purpose, fulfillment is an inside job.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: I teach people now, I've done this for the last nine years.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: I teach other people how to teach this breath work.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: I've certified over 3,000 people in my way of doing it.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: And they I always tell them, like, listen, this is gonna be the most fulfilling thing you ever do.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's two people in the room or 200 people in the room, doesn't matter.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: You changed two people's lives.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: You've done something amazing, right?
24:56
SPEAKER_01: And then they always email me, like, oh my God, I did a class, I did a session, it was amazing.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: This person, it's like, this is the best work I've ever done.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: I go, the the purpose of this is never the money.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: The money will come as a byproduct.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: Focus on how many people can I help with this incredible breath work?
25:12
SPEAKER_01: How many lives can I change with this incredible breath work?
25:15
SPEAKER_01: And that byproduct of money will just come.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: But when your focus is money, that's like then what?
25:20
SPEAKER_01: You get the money and it's empty.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Your focus is changing people's lives.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like you have purpose, you have fulfillment.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter if the class has two people or 200 people.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's easy for us, um, you know, like uh after like um all the or the work's been done and you know, still in the process of doing it to be like, it's about uh, you know, it's about helping others.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: You're you're not gonna be fulfilled by external things.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: It's gotta be, you know, it's got to come from inside.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: But how do you teach that to someone who is, you know, kind of thinking, like, man, if I can just make, you know, uh$100,000 this year, I'm gonna be all right.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, how how do you kind of change or how do you help change that mindset?
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Well, sometimes you can and sometimes you can't.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes people just have to find out for themselves.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: You know, they really do.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: They have to go get it and then be like, oh yeah.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: And they're on to the next thing, right?
26:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I'm guilty of this too, where it's like all the things, all the things I wanted uh, you know, five years ago I have.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: And now I'm like on to, but I forgot that I wanted to be here five years ago.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm on to the next things, right?
26:25
SPEAKER_01: So, oh yeah, I all this stuff I wanted five years ago.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Can I just take a moment to appreciate where I am and what I have today?
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Can I just take that in and and and enjoy that?
26:37
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, changing someone's shifting someone's mindset, you know, I always come back to the breath work because nothing has been as powerful for me.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: It literally turns off that brain and moves you into your heart.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: And so we're rewiring old patterns, old ideas.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: You have all these old patterns, you have all these old ideas, and that you you know that like some of them are not gonna work for you, some of them don't work for you anymore, right?
27:02
SPEAKER_01: Like alcohol worked for me for a while.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: It really helped me for a while until it didn't anymore.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: And so I have I have you know learned how to rewire those old patterns that don't work for me anymore.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean I'm not gonna screw up.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm a human being.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: I make mistakes all the time.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: Actually, the shift for me has been in the last few years of like, can I just be kind to myself when I screw up?
27:27
SPEAKER_01: Can I just love myself?
27:29
SPEAKER_01: I want to model that for my kids.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Of like, I can't tell them to be kind to themselves.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: I have to show them to be kind to themselves.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: I have to model that for them.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: And so I always like to say, work hard on yourself, but don't be hard on yourself.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, I really like that.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh what you're saying, I I resonated with so much of what you uh what you said.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh so I started therapy.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, my listeners are like, dude, we know why you started therapy.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: You've said it a hundred times.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: But it was it was because of my son.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh I saw that I was repeating patterns that I was like, whenever I was growing up, and I was like, I had always wanted to be a dad.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know what, whenever this happens, I'm gonna be different.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do different.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: I saw myself repeating the exact same patterns that I was like, hey, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna do something different.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: And that terrified me because I could identify them, but I was absolutely powerless to stop them.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: And so I I I knew I needed uh help.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: Um, for me, what's been uh what's been helpful is um internal family systems IFS uh therapy.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah and uh yeah, I mean I have had to rewire my brain almost totally.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: Um the very first time, you know, you're talking about like if I uh Matthew was uh Matthew Perry was somebody, if I can just have a number one movie and a number one um show at the same time.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: For me, the very first time I can remember uh thinking something like that was whenever I can order from the uh big kids menu instead of a happy mail, I I I'll I'll I'll feel different then.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, like I'll I'll feel like a feel I don't I don't know.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: I I thought that that would that would fill me.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: And I in my entire life, all the way up until becoming an attorney, getting married, having a kid, I expected all of those things to make me feel whole.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: And all it did was just kind of uh shine a spotlight on how empty I actually was.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think there's a lot there.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, one of the things that I did, I've done a lot of different things.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: I've been open-minded enough to try a bunch of different things along the way.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: I did this thing called the Hoffman process.
29:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've ever heard of that or not.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: I haven't.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: It's basically like it's it's like 10 years of therapy around your family in a week.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: And you go to this location, they have a bunch of locations, and you know, before you even go, you do a ton of work.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: You like write all this shit down, all these things that you do, all these patterns that you do, and you're like, does this come from your mother or your father?
30:04
SPEAKER_01: Right.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: So you're looking at all the patterns that come from your parents, who you got them from, because every single one of our patterns came from our parents, or in spite of them, like I do this in because my father did this, I do the opposite, right?
30:18
SPEAKER_01: So, in spite of that, so that's a pattern I got because I didn't want to do that, right?
30:22
SPEAKER_01: And so you write all this shit down, you do a ton of work before you go there.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: And so when you go there, you like get to work on all this, all breaking all these patterns that you inherited from your parents from zero to seven.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: And it's powerful, it's a week long.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: They take your phone away, there's no TV.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: It's like kind of like rehab for a week.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: We come out there, shifted.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: I came out of there with a different level of love and compassion for my parents that I didn't have before I went in.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I went back to my Boston where I'm from a couple months later, and I had some beautiful moments with my both of my parents.
30:55
SPEAKER_01: And uh, I'm glad I did that work.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: And it shifted how I parent today.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: It shifted the things that I do with my kids and you know, the things that I don't want to do with my kids.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: It really changed that.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: So good for you for showing up and doing the work, you know, to not pass it on.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: I say this in my breathwork classes like, you know, you're the person, if you're here doing this breath work, you're changing the family story.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: You're changing the lineage, you're changing the story in your family if you're doing this because you're releasing old shit that you're not going to pass on to your kids, or you're showing them how to take care of it, right?
31:32
SPEAKER_01: And so there's some real power in that.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know what I kind of find fascinating?
31:38
SPEAKER_00: It seems like people um in our generation are really trying to step up and and and do that, and do that work.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's like I I've seen like most of the people that I know are in therapy or doing some type of like, you know, some some type of work.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Why do you why do you think there's sort of like a generational aspect to it?
32:00
SPEAKER_00: Or have you noticed that, I guess, first of all?
32:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have actually.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I think Gen X, I'm Gen X was like the last generation of like figure it out, like you to be a man, walk it off.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Like we do that to our kids, right?
32:13
SPEAKER_01: And so and so I uh I have this thing that I say, you know, I'm on my stuff for my class.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: We were talking about earlier.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like breath work is like 20 years of therapy without saying a word, right?
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of guys are like, yeah, I don't want to do the therapy, I'll come breathe, right?
32:28
SPEAKER_01: They'll come try that out.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was gonna piss therapists off.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: I was like, this is gonna piss so many therapists off.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I should put this, but ironically, I get most of my people, not most of them, but the the profession that refers the most people to me is therapists.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: They all refer clients to me.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they, if they've done the breath work that I teach, they know like, oh, this is gonna bring all the shit up, and then I'm gonna help my client process this, right?
32:52
SPEAKER_01: And so the combination is really powerful.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh, because sometimes therapy is great, but other times it just re-enhances or like enhances even more the neural link that we're like, this is I now I know why I'm screwed up and I but I keep doing it anyway.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm aware, I'm aware I keep making the same mistake.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: Great, right?
33:10
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm aware where it comes from, right?
33:13
SPEAKER_01: But I'm still making the mistake.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, how do I change that?
33:17
SPEAKER_01: But to answer your question, I think there's just been less stigma around it, just like alcoholism, right?
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Like AA anonymous, right?
33:27
SPEAKER_01: It used to be it's it still is alcoholics anonymous.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: There's so much stigma around it, and that's why they had to call it anonymous and hide it and everything like that.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: And I think that a lot of that stigma has gone away.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: Like everybody knows somebody with a drinking or a drug problem at this point in life, and they're like, go to AA, go figure your shit, go to rehab and go get sober.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: And so I think a lot of that stigma has been removed.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: And I think the same has happened with therapy as well.
33:53
SPEAKER_01: It's like, listen, if you're messed up, like go sort out your problems, whatever you need to do, if it's therapy, if it's if it's uh 12-step recovery, rehab, whatever, like we just want the best for you.
34:05
SPEAKER_01: Go figure it out.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: You're you're right.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: I I think uh, and I mean, I was definitely very guilty of this.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh growing up, I assumed that you only went to therapy if you were crazy.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: I would you know that that would and that would be the only way I would be able to diagnose you.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, they're crazy, they're in therapy.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, now though it does seem like there's uh to kind of like almost to the reverse, and where it's like, wait, he's not in therapy?
34:34
SPEAKER_00: Is he crazy?
34:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, who doesn't need therapy at this point?
34:40
SPEAKER_01: And here's and also I think, you know, without people aren't talking about it enough.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: There was never a time in life that we were so inundated with everything like we are now, like in in social media and the news, it's just all the time, all this stuff.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll scroll social media and I won't even realize I've been scrolling for a while.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: And it's just, I don't know, maybe it's my algorithm.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: So much heavy shit has come at me.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: And this is such a fucking scary world that my kids are growing up in.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: And it starts to give me anxiety and tighten me up.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what are my kids gonna do?
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Like, they're gonna get kidnapped, they're gonna be, you know, they're gonna be humanly sacrificed and sexually molested and like all this crazy shit that like I see.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: And I all right, let me just put the fucking phone away for a while and go go work out or go do something that feels good.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: And like, okay, when you do that and you put it away and you, you know, you go exercise or you get your family out in the woods for some camping or something like that, it's all pretty back to like back to normal and back and it's good.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: But we're just there was never a time that so much was thrown at us, and there was so much divisiveness in our in our country, in our world.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: It's so it's so interesting that you said that because I mean, literally just this past week, uh I I'd kind of noticed this where uh I was feeling uh feeling a little anxious about something.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: And so very absent-mindedly got on my phone, got onto Instagram, started scrolling, and uh, you know, I 20 minutes, three hours in, however long it was, I was like, holy crap, I came here because I was feeling really anxious, but that anxiety was probably at a four.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: Now it's at like a seven or an eight.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Like all this has done has just increased my discomfort.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: And you could tell the the longer I would scroll, the more I would want to scroll, and the more I would get anxious.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: And it was just this like kind of cycle that was never that wasn't going to take me anywhere.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're showing now there's lots of studies out now, especially with young uh kids and girls in particular, that you know, rates of depression and anxiety and all this are through the roof because of uh phones and social media that just didn't exist before.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: And there's also this bullying that goes on.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: You know, it used to be, you know, you get bullied in school, that's one thing, but then you come home and you're safe from that bullying.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: But now it's all online, you can't get away from it.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: And I've I've experienced it myself.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: I used to run a lot of ads.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't really run them that much anymore, but I used to run a lot of ads, especially during COVID, for my classes to like be like, here, come try this breath work, you know?
37:25
SPEAKER_01: And people were so vicious, like people would comment and say things that were so vicious.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: And I'm kind of old school Boston.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you would never say that to my face.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to like say that to my face.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, let's fight.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: Come on.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna come to your house and I'm gonna beat the shit out of you, and then I'm gonna show you how to put gratitude and love in your heart afterwards.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: But like, I think it's Mike Tyson that has the quote it's like people are way too comfortable online disrespecting people that they would never say to their face.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: And it's true.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: Everyone can be an asshole behind the keyboard, and there's a lot of anonymous stuff, you know, and that's just cowardice, in my opinion.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: But it's it's out there, it's real.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: And me as a grown man, as a 50-something year old grown man who's done a ton of work on themselves, struggles with dealing with people, you know.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: How is a a 13, 14, 15, 16-year-old kid gonna deal with that?
38:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: They have no tools, they have no, they're like, it's just it's just a disaster.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, we our daughter doesn't have a phone.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so we're the worst parents ever, um, according to her.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: But you know, parents have phones because all the parents are lazy, and uh they and so she doesn't have a phone yet, and and when she does get one, there's no social media on it, you know.
38:47
SPEAKER_01: She because you know, she's almost 13, and we said, you know, we'll get your phone when you're 16, and there'll be no social media, and then when you're 18, then you can dive into the awful world that it is, you know.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: So I um was I just graduated, I graduated high school in 2005, so I'm I'll be 40 in September.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh and I think right after I graduated was when uh Facebook came out.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I remember uh it being a situation where like you need to have a college email to be able to like get on or whatever.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: And like I think it like it just started like in in 2005.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: So I'm thankfully missed that entire time where your whole life is just documented 24-7.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: There not only is there no escape from it, you know, like you got you're you're gonna be at school and then you get home and you're gonna be right there with it on your um on your phone, but there is absolutely no room for you to make a mistake.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: And it, you know, like I I think back on some of the dumb things that uh my friends and I did whenever I was growing up.
40:02
SPEAKER_00: If that would have been documented, I wouldn't be here talking to you.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: No, no, I mean, yeah, if somebody if there were everyone was walking around with a camera in their pocket, a cell a video camera in their pocket when I was in high school or afterwards, like forget it.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: It's so bad.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: I just I can't thank God that that didn't happen.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: There's yeah, and I tell my daughter, I'm like, if you do something stupid, you s if you take a picture of yourself, you know, naked or whatever and send it to some stupid boy, that's gonna end up on the internet and you're never gonna get it off.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: And it's horrible.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so there's no it it's just it's there forever, which is it's just awful.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and uh I can I have a lot of uh I was gonna say empathy.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: I I don't exactly know what you're going through now, but I have my son is three, and uh I have like kind of like struggled with because he wants to get he wants to have uh an iPad so he can FaceTime uh you know his grandparents.
41:05
SPEAKER_00: And so like three and already is like trying to get, you know, something.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I am I'm I am very scared about him getting a cell phone, even more scared about social media.
41:17
SPEAKER_00: And so I think it's just it's such a tough line between you know be like having the right attitude with social media and also being, you know, like being a connected parent.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: It it's it's gotta be tough.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I tell people to like look at the research behind kids with iPads, and the ADHD is through the roof as a result of kids that get iPads too early.
41:35
SPEAKER_01: So it's just I don't think it's worth it at all.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and it's like, but I see a lot of parents, and like that's their babysitter.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: They just throw the iPad in front of the kid, and the kid's there just on the iPad, just zoned out like a zombie, and there's videos out there now.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: It's like they get the iPad taken away and they're like scrolling without an iPad.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: It's just heartbreaking.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: And you're like you're missing out on the childhood.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it's like uh you don't use creativity if you like kids aren't bored anymore.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm bored.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Great, that's where creativity starts to happen.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Allow your kids to be bored, you know, let them get bored so they can get creative.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: That's something uh it's funny that we we're talking about things that have like kind of uh come up uh recently with me, but that was with uh with Camden.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: He's been in school and uh he's about to uh you know be on his uh summer break, and uh we're starting to think of like activities and like I realized like holy crap, like I am essentially trying to plan this kid's entire day.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: I he's gonna have to like figure some of this stuff out.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, he's three, but he's gotta be able to like figure out how to entertain himself and how what what what he needs to do to get uh whenever he gets bored.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: There's a there's a happy medium between how I was raised, you know, Gen X, which is go out, go play, don't come back in the house, go drink out of the hose outside, and don't come home until the streetlights come on.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: And and stuff.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Y'all had to have a commercial your parents had to have a commercial saying it's 11 o'clock.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Where are your kids?
43:09
SPEAKER_00: Like your parents had to be reminded that you that they had kids.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and now parents want to schedule everything for their kids, right?
43:16
SPEAKER_01: And so there's a medium ground in between that, like, you know, maybe you have one or two things scheduled for that day or you know, every other day, and then you let them get creative.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: Like give them a pen and paper, give them some crayons and whatever, and give them, you know, I've seen kids play with a stick outside.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, my joke is I didn't have my kids have all of that shit.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: They have a trampoline out there, they have a slack line, they have a tree house, they have all they have soccer nets and football net.
43:43
SPEAKER_01: I had a Victoria's Secret catalog in the woods.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: That's what I had.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: That's what I had for entertainment.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: It it is unreal.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: And to kind of uh validate that point, Camden, I will get him like the the the the cool.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: The what I think is going to be the cool gadget toy thing, but I'm going to be the coolest dad ever.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: He has more fun playing with the box than he does the toy itself.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: It's so true.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: So less sometimes is more.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to give my kids everything I didn't get growing up.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: And it's like I'm sort of pulled back from it and been like, yeah.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: And now we're looking at travel soccer.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: That's the new scam as these clubs, these travel clubs.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't even want to go down this road with you.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's a it's a different world.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: And I think, you know, maybe that's always the case.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: It's always changing for the next generation.
44:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, we, you know, these kids are growing up with an internet and they don't know what the world was like before the internet.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of interesting though.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Usually what happens is like whenever, whenever you experience something, you're like, oh man, this is not, this isn't the way I like it.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: The uh instinct is to go the 180 of that.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: So you were out until you know 11 o'clock and uh didn't have like any guidance.
45:12
SPEAKER_00: So the instinct is to make sure every single thing is structured and it ends up becoming, you know, having a whole host of issues.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: But it seems like you've kind of figured that out and you're like, hey, let's try to fund that happy medium.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm trying.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh my wife and I would like to, you know, be on top of everything, but we have to pull it back sometimes.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: I think I had too much leeway and I got into a lot of trouble as a result of it.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: And so I think kids and pets, they need structure, right?
45:43
SPEAKER_01: The more structure they have growing up, the better for them.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean you need to over-schedule and fill up every moment, but they do need they do need structure.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I guess we we better uh get back to the breath work.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I've kind of uh kind of went off on that little on that tangent.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, is your main thing now are you is it teaching the classes or is it teaching instructors to uh to do it?
46:11
SPEAKER_01: It's both.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: It's uh you know, I see a lot of people they don't they don't teach anymore, they just do the teacher trainings or like some people now, this younger generation, they're like, uh, I've never done breath work before, but if I do your training, can I then leave my own trainings?
46:28
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, wait, you want to skip the part of actually helping people, of actually doing sessions and classes with people?
46:35
SPEAKER_01: You just want to teach the breathwork teacher training.
46:37
SPEAKER_01: I've trying to wrap my mind around this.
46:40
SPEAKER_01: So they they see, like, oh, I want to be the guru and I want to make the money.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, they just want to jump ahead.
46:46
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you're missing the best part.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: And so given some cult leader vibes.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm definitely, I say this all the time.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a cult leader.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm not, you know, I don't want to be a cult leader.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: I don't, you can come to me.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: And I it's funny that you say that because I do my training different than most teachers out there.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: A lot of these guys are like, it's under the name brand of this.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is the, and you're gonna, you're gonna be an ex-teacher.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be, you know, you you you learn from me, and then you're a this teacher, the like, you know, what's that CrossFit, right?
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Now you're a crossfit, right?
47:21
SPEAKER_01: It's a branding, and you have to be under that branding.
47:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't do that with my students.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, come learn from me.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna teach you how to lead this safely and effectively and in the best way.
47:31
SPEAKER_01: I've had 15 years experience, that's what I'm teaching from.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: And I've had hundreds of people in my classes sold out for the last 15 years.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: So I had a lot of experience.
47:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm teaching you from my experience.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: But a lot of these people who are teaching now are teaching from like it's marketing.
47:46
SPEAKER_01: They don't actually have the experience, right?
47:49
SPEAKER_01: And so they're just like really slick marketing.
47:51
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh my God, this person doesn't even they're they're saying they've been in the wellness area and you know industry for 20 years, but they're counting their hula hoop classes or whatever, you know?
48:02
SPEAKER_01: So it's weird.
48:03
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't want to manage you after you're done.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: Like I support you, and I have QA sessions for my students every three months.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: So I keep supporting them after they're done.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: And but like you're gonna create your own thing and it's gonna be your thing.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: I don't wanna, I don't wanna manage anybody.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to worry about, you know, like I'll help you, I'll continue to support you, but it's not a cult.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: You're not under my brand.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: You can say you're certified through me, but that's not what I want to do.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: And because I've seen that a lot, and it's not my thing at all.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: What do you find more fulfilling?
48:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh kind of getting teaching others to get certified or teaching the classes themselves?
48:42
SPEAKER_01: Both uh in different ways.
48:44
SPEAKER_01: Like the classes for me is like, you know, the class is like an hour, hour and 15 minutes, and I love doing it and I've mastered it.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: I've been doing it for 15 years.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm really good at it, and I've got it down.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: And then the trainings are all, you know, it's four days in person.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and I have them online too.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: So people can't make it in person, they can do it online.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: I recorded them years ago and I've am always adding to those.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: But the trainings are really fulfilling because it's four eight-hour days.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: So I really get to go deep with a small group of people, and I I feel elevated when I'm done with that.
49:19
SPEAKER_01: Like it's like it's another level, but it's also exhausting, and I feel worn out and exhausting afterwards, right?
49:25
SPEAKER_01: And so I I only do the in-person trainings twice a year now, and um, and I do the classes every week online on Zoom on Sundays.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: I was doing the classes on online way before COVID ever happened.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: And people, I was the first person to put this kind of breath work online.
49:42
SPEAKER_01: And people are like, you can't do this online, like old school teachers.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why not?
49:46
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, ah, it's not safe.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I think it's safer online.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: I think you're in your own home, you're in your safe space.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: There's gonna be certain people, some guys who don't want to cry next to some other people, you know.
49:56
SPEAKER_01: You can just put on your headphones, you can turn your camera off if you want.
50:00
SPEAKER_01: And I created a way to do it safely online.
50:03
SPEAKER_01: And then when COVID happened, everyone had to go online.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: And all those teachers who gave me a hard time are like, ho, do this online.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, wait, I thought you couldn't teach us online.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: Like you've changed your tune now when it's the only way you can make money.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, hmm, you know, interesting, right?
50:19
SPEAKER_01: And so I I put my classes online and I have my trainings online, and I do this class on Zoom every Sunday, and there's a five-day replay afterwards because people sign up all over the world who are in different time zones that can't make the live time.
50:32
SPEAKER_01: So I say, if you can't make the live time, that's okay.
50:34
SPEAKER_01: You can do the replay.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: And so I do it every week, and I love doing this class on Sunday.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: It's dialed in.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: This is the benefits.
50:42
SPEAKER_01: Now, we talked about all the negative aspects of technology.
50:45
SPEAKER_01: Maybe you can talk about some of the benefits.
50:47
SPEAKER_01: And this is one of the benefits is like I can do this class, and someone in Australia or someone in, you know, wherever China or India can come to my class with me and have this incredible effect, or they can hear this podcast that we're doing right now and then go, oh shit, I want to try that and come to the Zoom class and have this incredible experience.
51:07
SPEAKER_01: And then they can go down a road that changes their lives.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: And I've watched people do this over the last nine years.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: They come do my class for whatever reason, it's like they're like open-minded enough to come try it, and then they have this incredible experience.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: Then they do my teacher training, and then they start teaching other people, and they're like, now they've got this whole new business of breath work all because they showed up to my online class.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you go all the way down the down the pipeline, can uh can you kind of like trace back?
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Well, oh, that's like my great, great, great, great, great, great grand uh breather there.
51:44
SPEAKER_01: Or like the lineage of breath work.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't, you know, I don't know.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: I had two or three, no, four teachers early on, and I studied with them, and then they studied with some of the original people in the United States, and uh, you know, but I think if you go further back, I mean all this stuff kind of comes from India or somewhere like that.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: But it's it's always funny to me when I have Indians who come to my class.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, this originates there, I'm pretty sure.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: But um This is kind of cultural appropriation.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've I've heard that once or twice, but and I'm like, who gives a shit if it's helping people, right?
52:20
SPEAKER_01: It's like get over yourself.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: But I teach it in a way like holotropic is this, you know, was in the 60s and the 70s.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: The Stan Groff is this therapist who was treating people with LSD, and then they made it illegal to use LSD.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: So he started using this uh breathwork technique.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: And it mine is very similar to that, but holotropic is three hours of this breathing intensely, and then the you someone else breathes for three hours, and you sit with them, and then you do mandalas all day.
52:50
SPEAKER_01: It's like a nine-hour thing.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: It's like, who's got time for that?
52:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, ain't nobody got time for that.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, my class is an hour.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, I made this more accessible to regular people, and that's what I wanted to do, anyways, in the beginning.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: It was like, I didn't want to do a woo-woo, it is woo-woo, anyways, but I want to do a class for housewives that are stressed out with postpartum depression or whatever, and guys that would never go to a therapist and that are struggling with, you know, the fact that their father smacked the shit out of them when they were a kid or whatever, you know, whatever you got.
53:20
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to do it for regular people.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: And I started with the celebrities, which was great because, you know, they bring people, they bring attention to things.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: And now I I work with just, you know, everyday people who need help.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, and uh kind of one of uh I was uh joking with the uh with the cultural appropriation.
53:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh it what what you're doing wouldn't work if you were trying to copy anybody or anything, any other style.
53:47
SPEAKER_00: It would it wouldn't work.
53:48
SPEAKER_00: I I think what makes your uh situation unique is that you're doing it with your own spin.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: Like this is this is your work, your passion.
53:57
SPEAKER_00: So I think that that's kind of uh what kind of differentiates you between like you and like uh a new age guru, like me coming up and like taking the class sock and becoming an instructor or whatever.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's kind of what to me that's that's kind of how I see the differentiation between you and others.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: People find their own voice, you know.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: My students have said to me, Well, why would someone come to my class when they can go to yours?
54:21
SPEAKER_01: I go, Well, you have your own unique voice.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: I've had people go to my students and have an incredible experience with them and then come to me and be like, I can't stand that guy.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, right, I'm not for everybody.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be for everybody.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: So you have your own unique voice, and people are gonna resonate with you, and you're gonna find your audience.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to do the class exactly like me.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna teach you the way I do it, and then you can change and make it however you want, and you can work with it at whatever type of groups you want or however you want to do it.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, the back to the thing, like nobody's inventing any new techniques.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: What I did was I took the technique and then I repackaged it in a way that I wanted to do.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: I I did I teach the class that I want to take, right?
55:02
SPEAKER_01: Like Wim Hof is very popular with Wim Hof breathing.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: It's 30 breaths in and out with a hold.
55:07
SPEAKER_01: You know, you do three sets of that.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: And I see other people teaching that, and they're like, that's Wim Hof's technique.
55:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, Wim Hof didn't invent that, he got that from the monks.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: It's tumo breathing.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: The monks up in Tibet would do that outside.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: They put wet blankets on themselves and dry have contests to dry out the wet blankets in like zero degrees and heat up their insides.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: I go, he didn't invent that.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, stop saying it's his.
55:32
SPEAKER_01: Like, nobody owns the breath.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: There's no owner, there's no culture that can say we invented the breath, right?
55:39
SPEAKER_01: And so people love to get caught up on all the bullshit just because they want to argue and be right.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: It's exhausting.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, John Paul, if uh if people are wanting to find out more about you, uh, where where do they need to go?
55:53
SPEAKER_01: I have a couple websites.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: My main website is breathewithjp.com.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: So br e-a-t-h-e, w-i-t-h-p.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: Don't forget the e at the end of breathe.
56:05
SPEAKER_01: Breathewithjp.com.
56:07
SPEAKER_01: And that's how you can find all my classes and stuff like that.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: And there's a link to my other website, which is I have a bunch of courses online too, if people want to dive deeper into the work.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: But I always say, like, just start out with a class.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: Just come do a class, uh, the live class on Sunday morning or do the replay for the Sunday class.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: And the first class is 10 bucks off, so it's 19 bucks for your first class.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: And I always say, like, have an open mind, be willing to do something different.
56:31
SPEAKER_01: Everybody thinks they have an open mind, but if you're sitting there going, like, I'm not gonna do that, I'm not gonna pay someone to have a breather, like then you don't have an open mind.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: Then you're not willing to try something different.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: And that's what I had to really wrap myself around.
56:44
SPEAKER_01: It's like, every time I think something stupid and then I go do it, I'm like, oh, there was something there for me.
56:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I'm very cynical by nature.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, that's the dumbest.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go pay someone to breathe, and then I go do it, and I hit changes my life.
56:58
SPEAKER_01: And now I've changed lives when I thought I said the same thing, you know, like I'm so dumb, I'm gonna pay someone to breathe.
57:04
SPEAKER_01: And then you just don't know what's there.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: But it's hard for people to wrap their brain around that.
57:09
SPEAKER_01: Like something I've been doing my whole life unconsciously.
57:12
SPEAKER_01: This guy is gonna show me a different way to do it, and it's gonna feel like 20 years of therapy.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: I would say, like, don't take my word for it, try it full out and find out for yourself.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've uh you've actually you've almost converted me.
57:26
SPEAKER_00: I I think I want to give it a shot, man.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: It seems it seems really interesting.
57:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm not trying to convert anybody, Adam, but I I do want you to try it and just have an experience and see what that experience is going to be for you.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: And it's different for everybody and it's different every time.
57:40
SPEAKER_01: So it's like you could come to my Sunday live Zoom, do the class, have an experience, and then do the replay, which is literally used in the right context, literally the same class, right?
57:52
SPEAKER_01: And it's a different experience from the replay of the class you've already done.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: You have a different experience.
57:57
SPEAKER_01: So come try the class and let's just see what's there for you.
58:01
SPEAKER_00: I figuratively lose my mind when people say literally wrong.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: So I really appreciate you doing that.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: I think we've had a good time today.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: John Paul, I've had an absolute blast of this conversation, man.
58:14
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for acting out with me.
58:16
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me.
58:17
SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate it.
58:18
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Act Out Podcast.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Adam Tomlin.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: Today's guest is breathwork coach, John Paul Crimy.
58:25
SPEAKER_00: Let's roll the tape.