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JLR Investigates D.V. Allegations: Strangulation Investigator Brian Bennett Weighs In on Report · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  At the end of last week, I brought you a story that was
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  developing, not much as developed over the weekend, but
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  a lot of people are talking about it now.
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  And that is the story that Jonathan Lee Rich's the YouTube
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  who runs a channel, very successful channel with over
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  half a million subscribers, like 550,000 subscribers.
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  It's kind of a boots on the ground kind of a guy.
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  He makes no secret of the fact that he formerly served time in
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  federal prison, but allegations had come out from his, I believe
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  ex-girlfriend who went by the name Magnolia online They that
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  he had been, she had been the victim survivor of DV.
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  Now, one of the things that came out in her sworn affidavit in
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  the document that she filed in Arkansas for APFA, or a
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  protection from abuse order, was that Mister Riches, this is her
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  allegation, right? Mr. Riches had strangled her a
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  couple of dozen times, and that sits really badly with me
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  because I know that strangulation is a precursor to
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  homicide. And and so I'm taking it very
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  seriously. Now, I'm not saying I'm not
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  making any allegations or anything toward Mr. Rich's.
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  I'm just saying that the simple fact is that people who are
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  strangled to survive and survive are much more likely to be
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  homicide victims. And so I have a friend that I
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  decided to call and talk to. His name is Brian Bennett.
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  He is a former law enforcement officer, retired with 26 years
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  on the job and talked to him about this case.
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  We're going to get into that. We're going to get into a Nancy
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  Guthrie update, a Suzanne Morphew update, and believe it
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  or not, a Corey Richins update. It's a busy day.
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  Stick it with me. This video contains mature
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  themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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  Viewer discretion is advised. Hello there, my friend.
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  Welcome back to another true crime conversation with me,
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  Gavin Fish. I'm so glad you're here.
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  your creative way of saying it, because I got sick of being
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  stumped. That's basically what happened
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  there here on my channel. We'd like to cut through fluff.
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  tend to, at least it has in the past on my channel, kind of
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  attract the trolls a little bit and they're not all trolls, but
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  it, it may, it attracts a certain kind that that
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  declassifies is that the unclassifies, unclassinates it.
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  It lowers the class of our live chat and our commentary.
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  And so I have put restrictions on the live chat on YouTube.
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  If you're on Spotify watching this, that doesn't apply to you.
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  If you're listening on the podcast, does not apply to you.
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  But if you're, if you're on the YouTube live, this will apply to
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  you. I'm, I've put it to subscribers
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  only and you have to be a subscriber for like 4 days.
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  So I just, we just like to keep a classy around here, OK.
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  And I'm sorry for those of you that it, that it filters out
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  that are perfectly classy and awesome people.
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  But yeah, you are, you are victims of my filter.
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  But hopefully you will subscribe and, and the next time that
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  filter won't apply to you. And that's, that is the plan.
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  OK, so Gavin, get into it. Will you get into the nitty
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  gritty? I saw somebody just comment that
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  their brother rode a bowl named Nitty Gritty.
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  So I don't want to get into that kind of nitty gritty.
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  OK, I've got a friend, his name is Brian Bennett.
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  I'm going to bring up this video we have recorded.
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  I, I talked with Brian earlier today.
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  OK, now like I said, Brian is a 26 year law enforcement veteran
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  down in South Carolina. He specifically is a
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  strangulation guy. He now runs a company called
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  Clearview Justice Training and Consulting and he really is on
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  the front lines of of strangulation cases.
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  So I'm going to play this video. It's going to look like this
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  when I play it. So it kind of looks like my
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  regular old screen, right? For those of you watching again,
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  if you're on the podcast, you're like, I don't care, Gavin, move
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  along. But you'll see that it says
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  recorded earlier because I just want you to know that this
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  conversation that I had with Brian is not live.
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  Hey, Robin, Robin's angry at me right now, guys.
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  I, I have not seen her comment, but Robin keeps me honest on my
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  set design. Got to get that typewriter light
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  on in the background. Anyway, we're going to move
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  ahead with this conversation with Brian Bennett.
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  It is, it's, it's about 45 minutes long.
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  We might pause along the way, but I'm going to be taking a
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  look at your comments. As always, if you put GF in the
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  comment, which stands for Gavin Fish, not Girlfriend or Gluten
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  Free, but if you put GF in the comment, that will highlight it
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  on my end. I see those much, much easier.
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  OK, without further ado, let's go ahead and begin this
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  interview of Brian Bennett. Here we go.
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  Well, I'd like to welcome back to the program Brian Bennett,
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  who is a retired state law enforcement officer and runs
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  Clearview Justice Training and Consulting.
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  And the reason I wanted to have you on Brian was because in this
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  case with Jor, these allegations and and I'm being very careful
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  about this because these are allegations at this point.
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  To my knowledge, Mr. Riches hasn't been arrested yet, and
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  yet is kind of pejorative too. We don't know if he ever will be
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  arrested, but we know that there was a there was a narrative that
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  was filed. They, the officers said that he
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  had probable cause to arrest Mr. Riches for three different
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  crimes stemming from this incident that happened on
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  Christmas Eve of 2025 in the state of Washington and Chelan
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  County. Am I being fair, taking this
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  very seriously? Because one of my, one of the
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  criticisms that I'm getting is that, hey, these are just
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  allegations. This is just an angry woman,
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  hasn't been proven, hasn't been anything.
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  And I kind of feel like, well, all allegations are exactly
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  that, right? Right.
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  No, I, I, I agree. You know, we the way the law
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  enforcement system, the criminal justice system is laid out is it
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  is designed to help remove emotions from the decision
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  making process and solely focus on facts.
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  The but the reality is, is that when a law enforcement officer
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  takes a report, at least initially, they're being related
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  a story in the perspective of the person who who has lived
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  that event. And in my experience of, you
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  know, 26 years of law enforcement, you can go to a
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  scene and count how many people are on the scene.
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  And everyone has their own unique perspective, some that
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  will support each other, some that will be counter to each
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  other. But at least with the initial
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  complainant, you're, you're taking that initial statement as
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  as their experience as they lived it.
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  Rarely have I ever found that in a domestic incident situation
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  has a victim intentionally lied. I suppose though, it could be
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  true that a, a victim could do that.
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  And actually there, there are documented cases of, of, of Sai.
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  I'm thinking in there was a, there was like an entire
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  college, what was it rugby team or, or lacrosse team that was
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  expelled? Yeah, right.
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  So it does happen for sure. But from your experience, that
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  is a rare occurrence. It it it is a rare occurrence
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  again, just for the simple fact that a domestic violence victim
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  survivor reaches out to law enforcement in the 1st place is
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  is an amazing thing. Because when you look at studies
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  that are have been done related to domestic violence and
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  intimate partner violence, generally what the studies rely
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  on is self reporting and substantiated cases of the
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  complaints and claims that were made.
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  But everyone in the realm of domestic violence agrees that
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  what we know as far as our numbers and are substantiated
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  doesn't accurately reflect the the the true numbers that have
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  actually occurred. Because most domestic victim
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  survivors don't report to law enforcement initially.
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  Months or years or weeks can go on before they finally get to a
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  point to report in the 1st place.
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  And there may already be a significant history of weeks,
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  months, or years that have never been reported.
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  So the simple fact that someone calls law enforcement and wants
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  to get the government involved in a personal situation says
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  something. And that's why in my, in my
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  experience, people that have called and filed are, are
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  speaking their truth. And rarely is it a manufactured
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  event because because quite frankly, and and you know this
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  and most of your viewers probably know this is if you
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  file a a false report, you can be subject to criminal penalties
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  and or civil actions against you.
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  Sure. So I was very telling someone
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  what's the government in their personal business?
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  Right. And in this case, Miss Phillips
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  did say, I think in her petition for APFA, that it had been
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  happening since 2023. And that, I mean, I read these
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  reports kind of on the daily, right, in my, in my day job when
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  I'm writing up criminal complaints, writing up stories
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  about criminal complaints. You know, I see this pretty
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  frequently, very frequently that sometime though, sometimes it is
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  the the same law enforcement officer is writing up a report
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  or a affidavit of probable cause for the criminal complaint
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  against somebody. And it's like their ninth time
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  out there, right? And the victim usually, it's not
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  always, not always, but usually a woman and, and, and typically
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  they weren't able to make an arrest because, you know, or
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  they weren't able to prosecute because the victim decided that
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  they weren't going to cooperate, right, Correct.
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  So this. Yeah, we and we see difficult
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  thing. Yeah, we and we see that desire
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  to help law enforcement with the investigation and or future
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  prosecution. Wayne, at different times, you
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  know, if you imagine the scenario where someone's been
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  targeted for abuse and law enforcement is there many victim
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  survivors at that point when law enforcement is present, feel
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  emboldened and empowered because law enforcement is there knowing
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  that, you know, law enforcement is not going to allow any more
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  abuse or threats to occur in their presence and.
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  So. In that moment, so it's easier
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  to say, Yep, I want to, I want to prosecute, I want to go
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  through with this. But then when law enforcement
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  leaves, even if there is an actual physical separation
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  between the two parties, either by an advisement or an actual
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  arrest, those offers to help law enforcement a lot of times are
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  rescinded for a lot of reasons, primarily fear and retaliation
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  and lack of resources. But you know, when, when law
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  enforcement's responding at that moment, they are providing a
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  level of protection. It is does have the intent to
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  help the victim feel better about cooperating, sharing
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  information, providing some level of clarity to get to the
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  truth of the matter. So, but it does it does change
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  at different times. I mean, I've had cases right up
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  until the point of trial, everything was great.
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  And then as we're walking in the courtroom, the victim survivor
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  discloses, I'm not going to participate in to another
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  example. I had a case where a young lady
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  who was pregnant at the time of her abuse, she was not much
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  pregnant and was strangled at that time.
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  We go to trial and as we are getting ready to call the court
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  into order, people are at their tables.
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  Course, I'm over the prosecution table with the prosecutor.
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  And what is supposed to be the victim in this case?
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  And as she walks in, she changes from walking in our direction to
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  our prosecution table and goes and sits at the defendants
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  table. Oh, right.
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  There, right there, literally seconds before trial starts.
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  Jury is jury is impaneled, the whole thing.
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  Yeah, and, and she's also carrying her newborn baby
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  because the baby was born by the time the trial.
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  Yeah, I can't imagine being in that position like this does
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  require a lot of sympathy on, on.
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  Well, I imagine that's really frustrating as a law enforcement
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  officer to go through that process.
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  But I also imagine that there's some level of understanding,
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  right? It's like, oh, the fear that
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  these victims have to feel going into a room, a government room,
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  it's usually very official, right?
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  And where we live, it's, it's like historic, you're going into
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  a room with with like tall, you know, ceilings and, you know,
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  coffered ceilings and wood and you've got a judge up on a bench
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  and you've got a jury in the box.
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  You know, it's, it's a scary moment.
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  And this is where there, again, there has to be some empathy and
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  some understanding with our law enforcement officers and our
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  prosecutors to understand that the decision that these victims,
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  survivors make are not because they hate us as a prosecutor and
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  they necessarily hate us as law enforcement officers.
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  They're making a decision based in their own personal interests
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  of safety, which is a a higher level than in the interest of
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  the government told the offender accountable.
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  And again, so I have never looked down upon a victim who's
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  made that decision. But what I've always promoted
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  and what should be promoted is that each and every time that
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  victim survivor needs us, we should be reliable to respond
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  and very clear in our desire to help and actually help when the
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  time's called. And it's been also my experience
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  that in instances where cases that I charged and prosecuted
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  didn't go forward because of lack of victim participation or
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  whatever, that the right responses to the domestic
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  situation laid the groundwork for later cases where the victim
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  survivor then became the willing participant because of the
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  consistency of of our law enforcement response.
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  Yeah. And the, I guess the other part
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  of that is the consistency or the repetition of the abuse,
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  right. It's just.
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  Correct that too as well. That's.
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  A time in everyone's mind where there has to be a decision on
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  when is enough enough. And for for some it's a decision
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  that, well, I'm going to do stuff for my children's benefit
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  that I normally wouldn't do for myself.
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  So maybe the children's or the lives are more at risk and that
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  is what, you know, places the victim survivor into that
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  position now move forward in spite of the fear.
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  And then others more internally, it's their own safety and fear
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  realizing that things have progressively gotten worse and
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  the the next time might be the last time.
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  So it's it's it's time for me to step up.
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  I've got a couple of specific questions, but sure, I, I can't,
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  I can't reiterate what you just said.
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  I can't tell you how much I agree with what you just said.
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  The I, I don't have the, the statistics off the top of my
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  head, but I'm constantly seeing in my area the same victim
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  survivors and the same alleged perpetrators.
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  It happens over and over again. And I've told my channel about
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  one case that happened in our area where the the DV survivor,
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  her toddler son was murdered by her boyfriend, by her live in
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  boyfriend while she was off at work.
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  And then and then she endeavored after the fact to, to cover up
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  the murder, not because she wanted to, but because she was
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  fearful for her life and for the life of her other son.
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  Right. Like it.
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  It is that that fear is so overpowering.
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  And I I just, you know, for Miss Phillips here, I was feeling and
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  we're about the same age. She's 49 years old.
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  I'm 50. But I was feeling these strong
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  paternal pangs of like at a girl and good job.
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  And I can't believe you're doing this is amazing because this is
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  really hard stuff to do. I want to.
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  Oh, go ahead. Yeah, I, well, I have an, I have
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  an example and I can't remember, we've talked about this before,
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  the example that I'm getting ready to provide or it was
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  another podcast that I did. But let me give everyone a, an
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  example of how fear is 1 is probably the most controlling
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  factor in these situations. But I'm going to use a slightly
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  different example. This is one that I've used for
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  years. So when I'm explaining fear as a
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  motivator for someone not to act in their own interests, well,
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  that's let me correct that in in saying that fear is a motivator
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  for many different things. But in this example, I think
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  this will clarify what fear means.
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  So years ago, this is many years ago, I saw ATV show either on
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  The History Channel or the Learning Channel, I can't
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  remember. It might have been the military
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  channel, but it was a show about prisoners of war, military
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  prisoners of war. And in that show they talked
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  about different disciplines within the military, pilots,
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  special forces, people in combat situations particularly.
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  And these are individuals who have gone through something
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  called SERE training, which is escape and evasion school and
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  what is designed to do. The military has poured in
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  billions and billions of dollars to specifically train various
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  soldiers in specific disciplines.
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  To how to evade capture and if they are captured, how to deal
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  with the trauma, the terror, the manipulation, psychological
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  torture, physical torture in those situations.
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  And again, billions of dollars have been spent doing this.
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  And one of the things they discussed during the program is
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  they talked with prisoners of war who had been, you know, PO
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  WS in various conflicts. World War 2, Korea, Vietnam was
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  primarily the the framework that they used.
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  And some were prisoners of war for years, some just days.
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  But they asked them this question.
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  They said, did you ever try to leave?
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  And by the large majority, most of them said no.
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  And it was for two very particular reasons.
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  One reason given was I had a pretty good idea that I could
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  escape, but I was afraid of what would happen to me if I got
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  caught. The other answer was I saw
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  opportunities to escape, but I was afraid of what would happen
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  to my buddies that were left behind.
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  If this is the conversation that trained military professionals
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  with billions of dollars of training have with themselves
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  making a decision to stay in a violent terror filled situation
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  and they can't do it, you know, again, they're they're they're
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  making a decision to not do it for good reasons.
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  Why would we expect a domestic violence victim who's a prisoner
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  of war in their own home to make to make any other decision?
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  A. Very good point, yeah.
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  You know, and, and obviously the point is, is that these
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  individuals in their homes have a lot less resources and a lot
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  less training than these military professionals who are
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  by most accounts, people would say, well, the military
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  professionals are trained to be tough and, you know, push
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  through adversity and deal with pain and, and discomfort and.
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  Still react the same way to the same incentives Still.
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  Still react the same way because of fear.
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  Yeah, I want to ask a couple of specific questions about this
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  case. Miss Phillips and Mr. Rich's
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  were staying in a hotel in Chelan County, Washington, you
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  know, over the over Christmas and her words on her petition
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  for APFA were that Mister Riches fled before police got there.
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  A couple of couple of the allegations she made was that he
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  took her phone. He told her that he would kill
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  her if if she said anything to law enforcement, not just in
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  this instance, but in many instances, she says.
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  And that well, let's see, she was exploited financially.
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  He used intimidation and then he fled.
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  Now I want to talk specifically about fleeing because or ask you
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  specifically about fleeing because again, in my day job as
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  a reporter writing up reports on criminal complaints, it does
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  seem to be the the normal thing when when police arrived for the
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  victim to be there and the perpetrator to be gone.
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  Do you think that leaving the scene is, or does law
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  enforcement treat that as an indication that this, that there
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  is some what we maybe refer to in trial as a consciousness of
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  guilt, something like that? Is that an indication to law
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  enforcement, the fact that the perpetrator or the alleged
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  perpetrator is no longer there, that they need to take this
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  seriously? Yes, in, in my opinion, in my
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  training, we would definitely give a strong consideration that
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  the claims by the victim, survivor, the complainant have
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  some weight to them and again, with facts and specifics that
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  they've shared. But the fact that the
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  perpetrator in the case has fled does give us 'cause to believe
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  in many cases that they likely, again, not proven, but likely
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  were the aggressor in these situations.
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  But with that being said, I've always cautioned law enforcement
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  officers to not immediately jump to a decision of arrest because
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  being good law enforcement officers, we are supposed to
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  consider all sides of the story and give fair opportunity for
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  people to tell us their side of the story.
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  So what I've often taught our law enforcement officers in
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  South Carolina is, yeah, you can.
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  You can definitely have in your mind a hypothesis that, well,
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  it's probably likely that they did, in fact, do some of these
• 25:18
  things as alleged. I need to find them for sure.
• 25:22
  However, when I do find them, be fair enough to give them the
• 25:28
  opportunity to explain their version of events and their
• 25:32
  perspective. I mean, there's been times in my
• 25:35
  own cases where the the domestic abuse was so severe and
• 25:41
  witnessed by independent parties that I was like, OK, we're
• 25:45
  putting out a BOLO. We'll be on the lookout for this
• 25:47
  car and this person. When you find them, detain them.
• 25:51
  Call me to the scene. And I've I've made a
• 25:55
  determination that I'm I'm going to make an arrest out probable
• 25:58
  cause. But Even so, at the at the time
• 26:01
  of arrest and if there's going to be any questioning, there's
• 26:06
  going to be Miranda. We have custodial interrogation
• 26:10
  as the courts have ruled and but that, but I still want to talk
• 26:14
  to this person. I still want to give them the
• 26:16
  opportunity to give me their version of the events.
• 26:21
  So even in an arrest situation that opportunity to disclose
• 26:25
  their perspective is available. And in other instances, we find
• 26:29
  people we still haven't made the decision of probable cause to
• 26:33
  arrest. But again, we still should
• 26:36
  provide the opportunity to give us their version of the events
• 26:41
  and taking that into consideration with other
• 26:44
  factors. So for example, I tell again,
• 26:47
  law enforcement officers or anybody, it's just fair and it's
• 26:50
  doing your due diligence to not just take what people tell you,
• 26:54
  but also see if you can find physical evidence that
• 26:58
  substantiates their side of the story.
• 27:00
  That's what we call evidence based prosecution, testimony
• 27:03
  based prosecution. Because people's testimony can
• 27:08
  change, their willingness to talk can change testimony.
• 27:12
  Evidence is considered the weakest type of evidence because
• 27:15
  of that. But if we can find tangible
• 27:19
  things, if we can find documentary evidence, physical
• 27:22
  evidence that backs up what we were told, that strengthens the
• 27:28
  facts of the case, that strengthens probable cause.
• 27:30
  But we need to take every opportunity in every situation
• 27:34
  to give everyone a chance for a full count of their perspective.
• 27:39
  I Speaking of, you know, gathering evidence in this case,
• 27:43
  I really liked what how the I think it was a deputy that was
• 27:48
  that was writing the the narrative said, I think I can
• 27:53
  find this pretty quickly. Let's see, let's see, here we
• 28:01
  go. I asked Jamie if she'd be
• 28:05
  willing to have her injuries photographed for documentation.
• 28:09
  She agreed due to most of the medics on scene and myself being
• 28:13
  male and one of the areas of injury requiring Jamie to lift
• 28:16
  her shirt, I asked a female medic if she would be willing to
• 28:19
  take photos of Jamie's injuries with my department issued cell
• 28:22
  phone in the bathroom of the hotel room to which she agreed
• 28:25
  and completed. These photos will be uploaded
• 28:27
  for evidence. So tell me about those kinds of
• 28:31
  situations. Like I, I read this and I was
• 28:33
  like man good on you. You you made that victim
• 28:36
  survivor feel comfortable in the situation.
• 28:39
  She knows that everybody's going to see the pictures anyway,
• 28:42
  right? And there are going to be dozens
• 28:45
  of people along the way right that that see the pictures.
• 28:48
  But in that moment to make her comfortable, do it with a
• 28:52
  female, do it in a closed space. She doesn't have to be super
• 28:57
  vulnerable in front of all these men, all these medics and police
• 29:00
  officers who granted her there for for her.
• 29:04
  But I, I just felt like that was, I don't know, I just, I
• 29:08
  felt again a swelling of paternal pride for this deputy
• 29:12
  who seemed to do the right thing, took care of, took care
• 29:14
  of this victim. Absolutely.
• 29:17
  And and he did, he did exactly what I would encourage any
• 29:23
  officer to do. Again, a pictures worth 1000
• 29:26
  words. Again, as many times as I've had
• 29:28
  victims recount or, or rescind their statements and their
• 29:33
  testimony, pictures speak for the, the victim who can't speak
• 29:39
  for themselves, either can't speak or are unwilling.
• 29:41
  I mean, think about someone who's ultimately deceased, you
• 29:45
  know, maybe later on there's a homicide and they're not
• 29:47
  available to testify in court. But those pictures tell a story.
• 29:51
  And I, I love the approach because it's, it's always
• 29:55
  promoted to take lots and lots of pictures.
• 29:57
  When it comes to a domestic violence assault.
• 30:01
  You talk to any prosecutor, they'll say the their best cases
• 30:05
  have lots and lots of pictures. Their worst cases don't have so
• 30:08
  much. And in this case, Jamie, she
• 30:12
  decided, she was asked if she would go to the Medical Center.
• 30:15
  Yes, she went to the Medical Center.
• 30:17
  So there's more documentation there.
• 30:19
  And then she released the records.
• 30:20
  There's more documentation there.
• 30:22
  Does this lend again to these are just allegations, but does
• 30:26
  this lend to the credibility of what happened that the victim is
• 30:29
  not Hemming and hawing over? Oh.
• 30:34
  Absolutely, absolutely. And here here here's the the
• 30:36
  kind of the psychological aspect of this officers interaction.
• 30:41
  Jamie has had things done to her against her will and against her
• 30:45
  wishes. The officer has empowered her to
• 30:48
  make decisions. Are you willing to, would you be
• 30:52
  willing to, would you consider and he's putting that, that
• 30:56
  power dynamic back into her realm or her part of the court?
• 31:00
  And it in this case has has some significant benefit to it.
• 31:06
  So I like that approach. First of all.
• 31:08
  And again, all these multiple levels of individuals looking or
• 31:13
  examining the situation, you know, again, they're on the
• 31:15
  scene, documenting on the scene, then going to the medical
• 31:18
  facility. The release of medical records,
• 31:20
  which is something I promoted in my protocols all the time, is
• 31:23
  always have a release of medical records form because to not have
• 31:28
  those makes it not impossible, but significantly harder to
• 31:31
  access some of that HIPAA protected information.
• 31:36
  My only criticism of this situation is a scenario in which
• 31:42
  what if there were no females on the scene?
• 31:46
  And so in trainings that I did, I had to address that, say,
• 31:49
  look, especially as a male dealing with a female victim
• 31:52
  survivor, you may not have a female officer around.
• 31:55
  You may not have a female paramedic available to you, but
• 31:58
  you are a professional. You are professional the same
• 32:02
  way a doctor or a nurse is a professional.
• 32:04
  There's plenty of people that go to doctors and nurses and you
• 32:06
  have to disrobe and have things done that aren't necessarily the
• 32:10
  most comfortable things. But when the benefit of the exam
• 32:13
  is explained in the overall health and Wellness foundation
• 32:18
  of that, law enforcement officers can be in the same
• 32:20
  position. Hey again, Sir or ma'am, it's
• 32:24
  really important for me to document, you know, this, this
• 32:27
  and this For these reasons. Would you feel comfortable with
• 32:33
  me doing this and doing this in this way and in this format and
• 32:37
  in this environment? And, and sometimes and I again
• 32:40
  had cases myself where there were no females available.
• 32:44
  But again, because of the respectfulness, the attention of
• 32:48
  the concern that was shown, keeping things very
• 32:51
  professional, I had victims willing to, you know, show me
• 32:55
  things that are would otherwise be private, but were necessary
• 32:59
  to to take pictures of. Because imagine, let's imagine
• 33:04
  for a moment that she did not go to a Medical Center.
• 33:06
  She did not see a forensic nurse in anything in the clinical
• 33:10
  setting. The opportunities for those
• 33:12
  pictures could be lost and it could be critical in the final
• 33:16
  outcome of this situation. But, but again, that's one
• 33:22
  thing. But the other thing that's a
• 33:25
  criticism and this comes with training and experience, is
• 33:29
  medical professionals need to stay in the medical role.
• 33:34
  And what I mean by that is, is that a paramedic or EMT is not a
• 33:37
  criminal investigator. It's not intended for them.
• 33:40
  And so when the camera was handed to the medical
• 33:44
  professional, take pictures, what now has happened is that
• 33:47
  medical professional has now been converted to an agent of
• 33:52
  law enforcement. Whether intentional or not, the
• 33:58
  better approach would be to have that paramedic present in that
• 34:05
  same exam area or area and but the law enforcement officer be
• 34:09
  the one to take the pictures, if that makes sense.
• 34:11
  Yeah, that. And I'm not.
• 34:13
  Splitting hairs here, but it gets down to some some legal
• 34:16
  issues of testimony and cross examination in the court process
• 34:21
  that could complicate things to some degree.
• 34:25
  Well, I'm sure a good defense attorney would, would bring, you
• 34:28
  know, the custody of the camera and there there'd be a lot of
• 34:31
  things that that's a good point. But overall, to your point, it
• 34:34
  it it was it was a great insight from the officer and and
• 34:39
  following up what they should be doing and due diligence to
• 34:43
  collect and document as much evidence as possible.
• 34:45
  OK, I want to get into the strangulation allegations.
• 34:48
  For those of you who are new to the channel, you haven't seen
• 34:50
  Brian. He's been on a few times.
• 34:52
  He is a strangulation expert, one of the one of the best
• 34:56
  experts in the nation when it comes to to strangulation.
• 34:59
  He's doing some cutting edge stuff on forensics when it comes
• 35:03
  to strangulation. And so we want to get into that.
• 35:06
  That's because she alleges over two dozen times that she was
• 35:11
  strangled by Mr. Jonathan Lee Riches.
• 35:14
  Before we do, though, you, you just brought up something that
• 35:18
  reminded me of our last conversation.
• 35:20
  You gave us advice on the last conversation for victims of DV,
• 35:25
  victims of SA who go to a hospital for an examination,
• 35:30
  They should be specifically asking for a forensic nurse,
• 35:34
  right? What is it that people should be
• 35:36
  asking for? Yeah.
• 35:38
  So first of all, let's just say that when it comes to the
• 35:42
  dangers of strangulation, both immediate in the long term, most
• 35:48
  citizens don't know the significance of those dangers
• 35:51
  and the high risk of lethality in the hours and days and even
• 35:56
  months ahead. But when that that knowledge is
• 36:00
  there or when the advisements and training have been offered,
• 36:04
  it's it's my advice to people that when they go to the Medical
• 36:08
  Center, wherever it is, large hospital, small hospital, urgent
• 36:12
  care, whatever it is that they specifically ask for a forensic
• 36:17
  nurse because they've been because they've been strangled.
• 36:22
  Now the common word this used is choked.
• 36:24
  And we can get into that in a minute.
• 36:25
  While that terminology is incorrect, but that's commonly
• 36:28
  what the term is used. And the reason that we want a
• 36:30
  forensic nurse involved is that these are nurses, predominantly
• 36:35
  female, but some male, who've been through special forensic
• 36:39
  training to examine people in very specific ways and document
• 36:45
  those findings for the dual purpose of medical triage and
• 36:50
  criminal justice purposes. So in contrast, if you go to a
• 36:54
  hospital and you don't use that terminology, you may just get a
• 36:59
  a nurse, registered nurse and an emergency room doctor.
• 37:03
  And just because they have those designations, those
• 37:05
  certifications, does not mean they have any special insight
• 37:09
  into all the subtle signs and symptoms of strangulation and
• 37:13
  all the terrible internal things that could be going on that
• 37:16
  could could cause someone's death.
• 37:19
  Quite frankly, here in my state, by the large majority, most of
• 37:25
  your emergency room doctors have absolutely no knowledge of
• 37:28
  strangulation, subtle sign symptoms and injuries, or even
• 37:31
  what medical exams to order. But forensic nurses do.
• 37:35
  And and This is why we need to tap into that and ask for it.
• 37:39
  Forensic nurses are not numerous.
• 37:41
  They're not at every hospital. So when someone goes to a
• 37:44
  Medical Center, they may be directed to a higher level
• 37:48
  hospital. I think they have levels one
• 37:51
  through 4, usually trauma one. Hospitals are like your highest
• 37:56
  level of life saving equipment interventions.
• 38:00
  So someone may be advised to leave the urgent care and go to
• 38:04
  the nearest, you know, trauma hospital or some of your
• 38:09
  forensic nurses operate in regional teams where if it's not
• 38:14
  easy for the domestic violence victim or strangled victim to
• 38:19
  travel, the forensic nurse comes to where they are and they bring
• 38:23
  their exam kit and all their information and all their
• 38:27
  equipment and their cameras and documentation forms and laptops.
• 38:31
  And they do it right there. But that's why it's important to
• 38:34
  use some specific words and ask for some specific things.
• 38:38
  You just get a a better level of understanding and a deeper level
• 38:46
  of particulars that are missed by most medical professionals.
• 38:50
  Yeah. And so I would say, you know,
• 38:52
  for those of you who are watching who are DV survivors or
• 38:55
  current victims or maybe maybe not, maybe you haven't
• 39:01
  experienced a year from now your very first DV experience that
• 39:05
  could happen. Keep that in the back of your
• 39:08
  mind that you should be looking for a forensic nurse.
• 39:11
  And then the second part of that, if you are a nurse and
• 39:14
  you're watching this, get the get the training and
• 39:17
  certification, become a forensic nurse.
• 39:19
  It is a huge help to the communities in which you live
• 39:22
  and serve. So OK, let's get into
• 39:24
  strangulation You, I and my last live stream about this case,
• 39:29
  which was on Friday. I don't have the expertise.
• 39:33
  The only I have like contact expertise.
• 39:36
  I rub up against Brian every once in a while and a little bit
• 39:39
  comes off on to me, right. But my understanding, Brian,
• 39:44
  like if somebody has put their hands around somebody's neck and
• 39:49
  has attempted to strangle them and you know, again, those that
• 39:53
  are watching, they may say choke and we know that that is not
• 39:57
  really what it is. Still tell your doctors that's
• 39:59
  what happened. If that's the word that comes to
• 40:01
  your mind, still say that, right, That's perfectly fine.
• 40:05
  But I I seem to remember that it does not take very much pressure
• 40:11
  to cause. A lethal strangulation when
• 40:17
  somebody's manually putting their hands around somebody's
• 40:20
  neck. And I seem to remember you
• 40:23
  compared it to a firm handshake one time when we were talking.
• 40:26
  Can you tell us the difference? Like what?
• 40:28
  What is lethality take and how how do we understand what that
• 40:32
  is? Yeah.
• 40:34
  So the first thing we have to understand is basic structures
• 40:37
  of the neck that supply our brain with oxygen.
• 40:42
  So we have our trachea, which is the pathway, the cartilage
• 40:46
  pathway that allows us to breathe air into our lungs.
• 40:49
  And obviously with our heart and lungs working together, we have
• 40:52
  our carotid artery, which is the oxygenated blood going into the
• 40:56
  brain. And then we have the jugular
• 40:58
  vein, which takes the deoxygenated blood from the
• 41:02
  brain back into the heart and lungs to repeat the process of
• 41:06
  providing, providing oxygen into our bloodstream.
• 41:09
  So those are the three main structures that if they are
• 41:12
  blocked or occluded individually or any combination thereof, it
• 41:18
  lowers oxygen in the brain in what we call a hypoxic or an
• 41:23
  anoxic state. So that's like a low level
• 41:25
  oxygen state or a no oxygen state.
• 41:28
  And it doesn't take a lot of pressure to occlude or the, the,
• 41:34
  that's the fancy word, but the the common words to block those
• 41:37
  structures. So your jugular vein sits closer
• 41:41
  to the surface of the front of your neck and it rests on either
• 41:44
  side of your trachea where your voice box is right here.
• 41:48
  And it only takes about 4 1/2 to 5 lbs of pressure to close off
• 41:52
  or block the jugular vein. The carotid artery, which is
• 41:56
  slightly behind the jugular vein, is a little bit deeper in
• 41:59
  the muscle of the neck. It only takes about 10 to 11 lbs
• 42:03
  of pressure to block off or occlude.
• 42:06
  And then our trachea, which is right here in the front, because
• 42:09
  of its more rigid nature and but flexible as cartilage material,
• 42:15
  takes about 30 to 33 lbs of pressure to close that off.
• 42:18
  And people say, well, how do I, how do I equate?
• 42:21
  How do I give something to compare it to?
• 42:24
  It takes 20 lbs of pressure to open a can of soda with your
• 42:27
  finger. So to pop the metal tab on your
• 42:30
  favorite can of soda takes 20 lbs of pressure per square inch.
• 42:34
  Again, only takes about 4 1/2 to 5 lbs of pressure to close off
• 42:38
  your jugular vein. And if you close off.
• 42:43
  I'm going to pause for just one second because we've been going
• 42:46
  on this video for about 35 minutes and there are people
• 42:49
  that have joined us that don't know that what what it is that
• 42:51
  we're talking about. Last Friday I did a video where
• 42:56
  we went over the police report and an application for a
• 43:02
  protection from abuse order from from the former girlfriend of
• 43:09
  Jonathan Lee Rich's. Her name, why am I blanking is
• 43:14
  Jamie Phillips. She goes online by Magnolia.
• 43:16
  She's been seen on JL Rs channel.
• 43:19
  Jonathan Lee Rich's has a YouTube channel called JLR
• 43:23
  Investigates. Anyway, she Miss Phillips
• 43:27
  Magnolia alleged that that she was abused by JLR in a hotel
• 43:36
  room in in Washington state over the Christmas holiday.
• 43:42
  There is a long affidavit, A narrative, A probable cause
• 43:46
  affidavit that we read. You can go to my Patreon page
• 43:50
  and see that for my patrons, or you can go back to Friday's live
• 43:53
  stream on my YouTube channel or on my Spotify channel and you
• 43:59
  will be able to see that I thank you, thank you, thank you to my
• 44:02
  patrons to make it possible to, to do my work.
• 44:06
  So as a, as a thank you to them, that's where I put documents.
• 44:11
  But anyway, other another case out of Arkansas, which is where
• 44:17
  the protection from abuse order was applied for and granted,
• 44:22
  said that he had strangled her a couple dozen times.
• 44:27
  So that is what we're talking about here.
• 44:29
  We're talking about JLR investigates being our suspect.
• 44:35
  Remember, these are allegations, not facts, not not anything
• 44:39
  proven in court. These are only allegations.
• 44:43
  But on our true crime channels, including JLRS, we go over
• 44:47
  allegations all the time. And to me, strangulation and DV,
• 44:53
  they're so underreported and under talked about.
• 44:57
  We have to talk about these things because they are
• 45:00
  precursors to homicide and that's why I decided to do this.
• 45:05
  And that is what we are talking about today.
• 45:08
  With that, let's see. Let's go ahead and continue the
• 45:11
  video with Brian Bennett. Your jugular vein or carotid
• 45:14
  artery with those pressures from anywhere between 5 to 10
• 45:18
  seconds. It varies a little bit with
• 45:19
  people's like muscular structure of their neck and maybe how much
• 45:23
  their, their heart is pumping and and what their internal
• 45:26
  blood pressure is. But about 5 to 10 seconds you're
• 45:28
  going to be unconscious. Your your brain is going to go
• 45:31
  to an anoxic state where it has no oxygen and then goes into
• 45:34
  shut down. And just to be clear, Brian,
• 45:37
  like when that happens, the victim can still be breathing,
• 45:42
  right? Like they, they don't feel like
• 45:44
  they're being choked. They don't they they could be
• 45:46
  breathing and with 4 1/2 lbs. Yeah, they actually do feel like
• 45:51
  they can't breathe, but it's a, it's a medical, physiological
• 45:54
  thing that's happening. So there was a national case now
• 45:59
  the Eric Garner case that some people may remember up in New
• 46:01
  York where Eric Garner was a selling cigarettes, bootleg
• 46:08
  cigarettes on the streets of New York.
• 46:10
  And a New York Police level task force encountered him, was
• 46:17
  trying to place him into custody.
• 46:18
  And he was a relatively large guy, I believe over 300 lbs.
• 46:22
  Three or four police officers jumped on him and one of them
• 46:24
  put a a manual hold around his neck.
• 46:27
  In the video he kept saying I can't breathe, I can't breathe,
• 46:29
  I can't breathe. What was it?
• 46:32
  What that is telling myself and others who are familiar with
• 46:36
  these structures of the neck and the different ways the pressures
• 46:38
  can be applied, if he's saying he can't breathe, he can breathe
• 46:43
  because air is coming through the trachea over the larynx to
• 46:46
  project his voice. The reason he says he can't
• 46:49
  breathe is because in his brain, the brain has detected oxygen
• 46:54
  starting to drop. So physically, he feels I'm not
• 46:58
  getting air even though he is. The air is just not getting into
• 47:02
  the bloodstream. Again, air is coming in and out,
• 47:04
  but it's not being put into the bloodstream because of the
• 47:08
  blockage here at the neck. The brain is going, I don't have
• 47:11
  my oxygen. I don't have my oxygen.
• 47:13
  It kicks in this, you know, survival instinct.
• 47:17
  So, yeah. So.
• 47:18
  So depending on how someone is strangled, either manual with,
• 47:21
  you know, their hands or a part of someone's body or a ligature,
• 47:24
  one or more of these structures can all be affected at the same
• 47:30
  time or separately. And so you may have someone who
• 47:34
  has a completely intact open trachea, but because of the
• 47:38
  compression on the side of their neck and those vessels, we still
• 47:42
  have a in diminished oxygen to the brain.
• 47:46
  But on the flip side, this is where choke holds, as they call
• 47:50
  it, versus what they call the sleeper hold, the choke hold,
• 47:55
  that's where the term choking comes from, is where there's
• 47:57
  pressure on the trachea only. So that pressure into now that
• 48:01
  right there takes a quite a bit longer to render unconsciousness
• 48:07
  because the heart and the circulatory system is still
• 48:13
  pumping, but it's using up the oxygen.
• 48:16
  There's a larger volume of oxygen in the lungs that has to
• 48:19
  be burned through. So it it the oxygen is dropping
• 48:23
  at a lower slower level than than the supply lines up here in
• 48:29
  the trachea. Excuse me, in the jugular vein
• 48:32
  or carotid artery. I tell people, you know, think
• 48:34
  of the garden hose. You can't get shut it off.
• 48:36
  I mean the flow of water stops immediately.
• 48:38
  There's no like, I mean it depends on how, how slow or how
• 48:42
  fast the compression is. And in strangulation, the
• 48:44
  compression is usually very, very fast, not a lot of
• 48:47
  pressure. And so the flow of blood in the
• 48:49
  carotid artery and jugger vein is almost immediate.
• 48:52
  It's like. Very in terms of this case where
• 48:56
  she is alleging that she over since 2023 has been strangled
• 49:03
  two dozen times. I mean, I know that
• 49:07
  strangulation is an indicator of future homicide, right?
• 49:11
  It, it increases the likelihood if a person has been the victim
• 49:16
  of strangulation and increases the likelihood they will be
• 49:19
  evict victim of homicide, right? I mean, am I reading that
• 49:22
  correctly? What, why is it so important
• 49:24
  when we read that she has she, she says she has been strangled
• 49:30
  two dozen times. What does that tell what, what
• 49:33
  should that tell us? Why should we take this
• 49:35
  seriously? Right, so so data and research
• 49:38
  over the last 20 years has shown that non fatal strangulation is
• 49:42
  the number one indicator of future homicide, particularly in
• 49:45
  domestic violence situations involving female females who are
• 49:50
  targeted for abuse. Matter of fact, the, the
• 49:54
  research that is out says that a woman who survives one non fatal
• 50:00
  strangulation event is at an 800% increase of being killed
• 50:05
  later. And again, this isn't anecdotal.
• 50:07
  This is, this is data that's been tracked over 20 years.
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  And I, I, I don't know if there's an actual source for
• 50:15
  this, but I've heard from other people like myself that these
• 50:19
  research studies are now indicating rates around 900 to
• 50:23
  1000% increase, not not 800 again, because as more data
• 50:27
  comes in, there's, there's more solid evidence.
• 50:32
  So the fact that she was strangled two dozen times as she
• 50:38
  claims and that she's still alive is to me absolutely
• 50:42
  amazing that that she's still alive either through the the act
• 50:49
  of strangulation or as as most commonly as by a firearm.
• 50:54
  People say, well, if they're they've been strangled, is is
• 50:56
  the death by strangulation? No, commonly is is is more often
• 50:59
  by firearm. It's just that the strangulation
• 51:02
  was the precursor red flag indicator that a homicide was
• 51:07
  going to occur later. It just happened to be with a
• 51:09
  firearm because it's it's, you know, readily available.
• 51:12
  It's more quickly used. It's more immediately lethal.
• 51:17
  But here's the thing. I don't know how many of those
• 51:21
  times she lost consciousness or didn't lose consciousness.
• 51:24
  The fact of the matter, it doesn't matter.
• 51:26
  Even if you don't lose consciousness, your risk of
• 51:31
  dying from the internal damage to your body and your brain, you
• 51:37
  could die hours, weeks or months later from complications from
• 51:43
  that strangulation event, even though you didn't lose
• 51:45
  consciousness. And that's where misinformation
• 51:47
  and no education people are. Oh well, well, she, she, she
• 51:52
  stayed awake the whole time. She's not in danger.
• 51:54
  Oh no, she was absolutely in danger.
• 51:56
  Anyone in that situation needs immediate medical triage to
• 52:00
  stabilize their their body. And beyond that, and there's at
• 52:06
  least 25 known medical complications with being
• 52:08
  strangled. At least many of them are acute
• 52:11
  and life threatening. But even without that, you're
• 52:18
  talking about progressive traumatic brain injury.
• 52:21
  A lot of people equate traumatic brain injury to concussive
• 52:24
  injuries like an explosion or getting hit in the head with an
• 52:28
  object. But the reality is, is that
• 52:31
  strangulation in depriving the brain of oxygen, causes
• 52:35
  traumatic brain injury because it causes brain cell death.
• 52:39
  And so progressive and repetitive acts of strangulation
• 52:44
  also progressively cause brain damage.
• 52:47
  And it changes people's behavioral characteristics.
• 52:50
  It changes their thought processes and their clarity.
• 52:55
  It affects their memory, and it even can cause some victims to
• 53:02
  have ideations. I'm actually very familiar with
• 53:06
  a couple cases here in my area where some victim survivors at
• 53:11
  the time seemed to be OK, but later in the weeks and months
• 53:18
  after, they expressed some ideations they had never never
• 53:23
  expressed before. No one ever knew them to talk
• 53:26
  about those things. And ultimately they took their
• 53:28
  lives. And it's my belief that they did
• 53:32
  something that was out of their character and not part of who
• 53:36
  they were, but was artificially created through acts of
• 53:40
  strangulation. And so the the death did not
• 53:44
  occur at the hands of the abuser, but it it came at their
• 53:48
  own hands, but because of what the abuser had done.
• 53:53
  Well, at the there's not a. There's not a.
• 53:55
  Neurobiology research into this type of stuff that's much, much
• 53:59
  deeper than we can go into today, but it's it's out there
• 54:02
  as the research has been done. The irony on this to me is that
• 54:06
  Mister Rich's was a like on the front lines, boots on the
• 54:11
  ground, as he says in Myrtle Beach, SC when the allegations
• 54:16
  that Pastor JP Miller's actions had led to ultimately Micah
• 54:25
  Miller's death. He was like boots on the ground
• 54:27
  and now he is being accused of the same kind of behavior.
• 54:33
  It's yeah, Brian Bennett from the Clearview Justice Training,
• 54:38
  from Clearview Justice Training and Consulting, A strangulation
• 54:42
  expert, retired state law enforcement officer.
• 54:45
  Thank you very much for joining me.
• 54:46
  I really appreciate it. Yeah.
• 54:48
  Thanks for the invitation. Brian is the best.
• 54:53
  I hope that you enjoyed that conversation with him.
• 54:56
  While we have been watching that, I've been watching the the
• 55:03
  live chat in a way that I normally don't get to.
• 55:06
  I only get to do this when there is a prerecorded interview or
• 55:10
  some video that we're watching. I can go through the live chat.
• 55:14
  I have to say, a lot of people in the live chat who are DV
• 55:18
  victim survivors and a lot of people have been so encouraging
• 55:24
  to those of you who are those survivors.
• 55:27
  And I just want to add my my thoughts to that as well and my
• 55:32
  feelings to that as well. It's just, it's amazing anybody
• 55:37
  who's able to get out of that because it's just so, so, so
• 55:41
  hard. And it's so easy for the rest of
• 55:45
  society, the rest of us to say, well, why?
• 55:47
  Why didn't you just leave not understanding the psychology
• 55:51
  behind it? And I think that Brian's example
• 55:55
  of prisoners of war who have gone through SERE training and
• 56:00
  have been taught to evade capture and taught to escape
• 56:05
  have the exact same reasons why they don't try, right?
• 56:09
  Fearful of what would happen to them if they were caught again,
• 56:12
  fearful of what would happen to their brothers who they leave
• 56:15
  behind in the POW camp. It's just guys.
• 56:19
  The the psychology is so not only interesting, but powerful
• 56:24
  on on victim survivors of DV. And so I add my I this just
• 56:32
  seems so trite, but I add my congratulations and my my
• 56:36
  support to you for having escaped.
• 56:39
  If that is you now, if you are currently in a situation where
• 56:45
  you are experiencing DV and that sounds like such a, like a, it's
• 56:52
  I, I use that language because YouTube kind of makes us use
• 56:56
  that language. I don't want to downplay, but
• 56:58
  if, if you are in that situation right now, help is available.
• 57:04
  All of us will be supportive of you.
• 57:06
  Look in your county for help in the United States.
• 57:12
  I should have, I should have looked this up.
• 57:21
  Before we start it, let me just look this up here real quick.
• 57:28
  I think it's 211. Yeah.
• 57:32
  So in the United States, if you pick up the phone and dial 211,
• 57:38
  that will get you in touch with essential services that are
• 57:42
  available in your county, in your county or near your county.
• 57:47
  If your county, you know, what do we, what was the word that
• 57:54
  I'm trying? Sometimes they don't have them
• 57:55
  in each county and so that they will as counties, they will get
• 57:59
  together and they will look for a, a solution.
• 58:03
  But anyway, it'll be near you. If you dial 2 on one and explain
• 58:08
  what's going on. There is a place where you can
• 58:11
  go with your children. The county picks up the bill,
• 58:16
  right? If you need them to.
• 58:18
  So, and I know it's just so hard.
• 58:21
  I know that's difficult, but if you're in that position, please,
• 58:24
  please, please avail yourselves of that.
• 58:28
  Get out of that position. The likelihood of you surviving
• 58:32
  long term goes down with each and every time you are abused.
• 58:40
  Now this is Mr. Rich's. He again has JLR investigates.
• 58:44
  You can see that on his hat. He's kind of a boots on the
• 58:47
  ground live streamer type. These are only allegations
• 58:51
  against him. They're allegations they are
• 58:55
  not. They've not been proven in a
• 58:57
  court of law. I do not know if there is an
• 59:00
  arrest warrant for him or anything.
• 59:03
  I have no idea. Haven't been able to find out
• 59:05
  that information, but I am looking for it.
• 59:08
  I promise you I am looking for it.
• 59:12
  So that's what I have on the case so far.
• 59:15
  We will continue to keep our eye on it.
• 59:19
  I would love to talk with Magnolia on this.
• 59:23
  At the same time though, I don't want to have to put her in that
• 59:27
  position only if she wants to talk about it.
• 59:30
  I wouldn't mind talking with Mr. Riches either.
• 59:33
  I, I would have that conversation for sure.
• 59:38
  So if either of you are watching, please reach out.
• 59:41
  Go to my website, gavinfish.com. If if you're new here, my
• 59:45
  website is a deep resource for all things true crime.
• 59:50
  But if you go to this little icon right here that looks like
• 59:54
  a envelope and click on that, that will take you to a form
• 59:56
  that you can fill out and you can reach out to me.
• 1:00:00
  Really need to work on the loading speed of my website.
• 1:00:05
  But anyway, there it is. Reach out to me.
• 1:00:07
  I would love to talk to you. And that's not all we have to
• 1:00:11
  talk about today because there are all sorts of things
• 1:00:15
  happening in the headlines and true crime.
• 1:00:19
  But before we get to that, why don't we answer some questions?
• 1:00:24
  It's three questions. It's three questions with Gavin.
• 1:00:34
  Okie, Dokie, in this segment, guys, I answer questions that
• 1:00:39
  you send in to me. My favorite kinds of questions
• 1:00:42
  are the kinds of questions where you ask me to answer them, but
• 1:00:44
  also I can ask you to answer them in the comments and in the
• 1:00:48
  live chat. If you send your questions to
• 1:00:51
  three questions at gavinfish.com, I solemnly
• 1:00:55
  promise that I will answer every question that comes in.
• 1:00:58
  I will do so to the best of my ability.
• 1:00:59
  I will not dodge anything. It anything's on the table,
• 1:01:03
  nothing is off the table. Just send them to three
• 1:01:07
  questions at gavinfish.com. You can send many at a time.
• 1:01:09
  You can send one at a time. You can send one at a time many
• 1:01:12
  times. However you want to do it does
• 1:01:14
  not matter to me. All right, question number one
• 1:01:19
  comes from Angela and that question, let me get to the
• 1:01:22
  right screen is here. Angela asks what do you think
• 1:01:29
  about conspiracy theories? My thoughts on conspiracy
• 1:01:34
  theories is there's a lot of garbage out there, theoretical
• 1:01:38
  garbage, but that there are anti conspiracy laws on the books
• 1:01:44
  because conspiracies happen. So I just try to use my brain in
• 1:01:51
  order to determine what I will believe and what I won't.
• 1:01:54
  A lot of people are very good at making you think that something
• 1:02:01
  that's just absolute garbage is a real thing.
• 1:02:05
  So you got to use, got to use the old Mente, right?
• 1:02:09
  Got to use it and determine for you what is real and what is
• 1:02:14
  not. Generally speaking, the kinds of
• 1:02:17
  conspiracy theories that people are talking about are like goo
• 1:02:20
  goo. I just, I just don't buy into
• 1:02:22
  them at all. That's just me.
• 1:02:25
  Love to hear your thoughts on it.
• 1:02:27
  Question #2 Lynette asks Gavin, what is your favorite food?
• 1:02:34
  Well, if you saw pictures of me from six months ago, my answer
• 1:02:38
  would be food is my favorite food.
• 1:02:42
  Used to do a lot of eating, these days I'm down 80 lbs from
• 1:02:48
  my from my peak and I'm feeling very very good.
• 1:02:52
  But I will tell you a food that I have missed while I have been
• 1:02:56
  on my journey to feel and look better.
• 1:03:01
  But I will go back to it as soon as I have calories in the old
• 1:03:06
  budget. The daily calorie budget.
• 1:03:09
  I love me Chinese food. Chinese food is the best.
• 1:03:13
  And I'm not talking like authentic Chinese food.
• 1:03:15
  I'm talking the Chinese food that they feed to US Americans
• 1:03:19
  in America. That's what I like.
• 1:03:21
  A funny story. I used to work for a guy at LH
• 1:03:25
  Labs. His name was Larry.
• 1:03:27
  His name still is Larry. Larry's a great guy, Taiwanese
• 1:03:32
  and he immigrated to the United States and he was the opposite
• 1:03:38
  of me. He was a Taiwanese born man who
• 1:03:41
  loved American cuisine. I am an American born man who
• 1:03:45
  loves Chinese cuisine and and Taiwanese I specifically.
• 1:03:50
  I do love Taiwanese too. But anyway, Larry and I would
• 1:03:54
  travel together every once in a while.
• 1:03:55
  We'd be in somewhere. Timbuktu would be like in
• 1:03:58
  Germany, and I'd be like, dude, let's go get some Chinese food.
• 1:04:02
  Like, come on, man, can't we get something else?
• 1:04:06
  Like, OK, how about Thai? And he'd say, yeah, Thai is
• 1:04:09
  good, OK, I know a good Thai place, you know, in Munich or
• 1:04:12
  wherever it was that we were. I'd go there and yeah, I had
• 1:04:15
  Thai food, but I was ordering the Chinese food.
• 1:04:19
  Poor guy, didn't matter where we went.
• 1:04:20
  I always made him get Chinese food.
• 1:04:22
  He just wanted a burger. So funny.
• 1:04:25
  So yeah, that's my deal. I, I think my favorite food is
• 1:04:29
  like kung pao chicken, kung pao tofu.
• 1:04:34
  I love fried rice, specifically the Cantonese style fried rice.
• 1:04:39
  I love low Mein, I love chow Mein.
• 1:04:43
  I love, I love so many, so many Chinese foods.
• 1:04:49
  It is my favorite. What is yours?
• 1:04:50
  Tell me #3 Kelly asks. What is your favorite season and
• 1:04:56
  why? She goes on to say I love
• 1:04:58
  spring. It's a time of renewal and hope.
• 1:05:00
  I know a lot of people that do love spring, including my wife.
• 1:05:03
  She likes the buds on the trees. Where we live is particularly
• 1:05:08
  beautiful in the spring. We are surrounded by hardwood
• 1:05:12
  forests that blossom and bloom. They are glorious.
• 1:05:18
  Fall is is equally as beautiful as those hardwood forests.
• 1:05:24
  Their trees change their their colors in the fall.
• 1:05:27
  It is something to behold. Unpopular opinion, my favorite
• 1:05:32
  season is winter, specifically winter where there is snow on
• 1:05:39
  the ground. And the reason for that is I
• 1:05:42
  hate mowing my lawn. I just hate it.
• 1:05:46
  I and you know, mowing my lawn is the equivalent of writing a
• 1:05:50
  go Kart, but it's a go Kart mowing a lawn and I just do not
• 1:05:56
  like to mow lawns. And so that's why I like winter.
• 1:06:00
  Summer for me is I grew up in Sacramento where summers are
• 1:06:04
  hot. I mean, it's not like we are in
• 1:06:06
  Death Valley or anything like that, but it's hot.
• 1:06:09
  And you guys know that I served down in Argentina, so hot in the
• 1:06:15
  summertime. So I'm just not a fan of the
• 1:06:17
  heat. I do not want to live in
• 1:06:20
  Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida, you know, Southern
• 1:06:26
  Nevada. I, I just, I just don't.
• 1:06:29
  I like where there are Four Seasons.
• 1:06:32
  And I would love to hear your comments as well.
• 1:06:35
  And while you are commenting in the live chat, let's get into
• 1:06:39
  some true crime headlines. True crime headlines.
• 1:06:50
  OK, I think we need to do a Nancy Guthrie update.
• 1:06:54
  This article that I'm bringing to you from FOX 10 in Phoenix
• 1:06:58
  written by Sarah Phillips came out yesterday.
• 1:07:03
  Headline is Nancy Guthrie. Family seeks renewed attention
• 1:07:07
  to case in a new message Dateline is Tucson, AZ The
• 1:07:10
  family of missing 84 year old Nancy Guthrie, the mother of NBC
• 1:07:15
  Today show host Savannah Guthrie, have released a new
• 1:07:19
  message calling for renewed attention to the case.
• 1:07:22
  The new statement was posted to Instagram on March 21st, which
• 1:07:26
  would have been Saturday, asking the Tucson community, neighbors
• 1:07:29
  and friends for their support and help.
• 1:07:36
  The statement reads in full quote.
• 1:07:38
  We are deeply grateful for the outpouring from neighbors,
• 1:07:42
  friends and the people of Tucson.
• 1:07:44
  We are all family now. We continue to believe it is
• 1:07:48
  Tucsonians, Tucsonans, Tucsonans, sorry Tucsonans, and
• 1:07:57
  the greeted Southern Arizona community that hold the key to
• 1:08:00
  finding resolution in this case. Someone knows something.
• 1:08:04
  It's possible a member of this community has information that
• 1:08:07
  they did not or do not even realize is significant.
• 1:08:12
  We hope people search their memories, especially around the
• 1:08:15
  key timelines of January 31st and the early morning hours of
• 1:08:19
  February 1st, as well as the late evening of January 11th.
• 1:08:25
  We desperately ask this community for renewed attention
• 1:08:28
  to our mom's case. Please consult Camera Footage
• 1:08:32
  Journal notes. Let's see, there was a comma in
• 1:08:36
  there. I missed it.
• 1:08:36
  Please consult camera footage journal notes text messages,
• 1:08:41
  observations, or conversations that in retrospect may hold
• 1:08:47
  significance. No detail is too small.
• 1:08:50
  It may be the key. We miss our mom with every
• 1:08:53
  breath and we cannot be in peace until she is home.
• 1:08:57
  We cannot grieve, we can only ache and wonder.
• 1:09:03
  Our focus is solely on finding her and bringing her home.
• 1:09:07
  We want to celebrate her beautiful and courageous life,
• 1:09:09
  but we cannot do that until she is brought to a final place of
• 1:09:13
  rest. So they think that she's gone
• 1:09:18
  and the likelihood is overwhelming.
• 1:09:21
  Continuing the quote. Thank you for continuing to pray
• 1:09:23
  without ceasing the Guthrie family, Cameron and Christine,
• 1:09:27
  Annie and Tomaso, Savannah and Michael.
• 1:09:31
  Of course, this is a case that has it.
• 1:09:34
  It has. I mean, in fairness, it has
• 1:09:36
  fallen off of the radar for so many of us.
• 1:09:40
  And there is a cycle to this, right?
• 1:09:43
  That like we will all be all in for a finite amount of time
• 1:09:49
  until, until maybe we all just kind of lose hope.
• 1:09:54
  But the Guthrie's are asking us to do that.
• 1:09:56
  So please, if you are a Tucsonan, a Tucson Onian, a
• 1:10:03
  resident of Tucson and the surrounding area, you may have
• 1:10:07
  information that would lead to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie.
• 1:10:14
  Please call 1800, call FBI with any tips.
• 1:10:19
  The next one headline that I want to bring to you guys is in
• 1:10:24
  the Barrymore Few case written by Adam Sabes from Fox News
• 1:10:28
  headline Barrymore. If you ordered Suzanne cremated,
• 1:10:31
  prosecutors say remember they are battling it out over
• 1:10:37
  Suzanne's remains. The daughters want to have her
• 1:10:44
  remains so that they can have their religious or non
• 1:10:50
  religious, I don't know, rights done and finish up and then and
• 1:10:54
  the state wants to keep them for evidence.
• 1:10:56
  OK. Barry Morphew, the man charged
• 1:11:00
  with his wife Suzanne's murder, personally authorized her
• 1:11:04
  cremation in February, just before prosecutors stepped in to
• 1:11:08
  stop it, they claim in new court filings.
• 1:11:12
  In June 2025, Barry Morphew was re indicted by a Colorado grand
• 1:11:15
  jury following a failed prosecution in 2021 that
• 1:11:19
  resulted in charges being dismissed at the time he
• 1:11:23
  allegedly killed his wife, who vanished on Mother's Day in 2020
• 1:11:27
  before her remains were later found.
• 1:11:29
  At the time, the Morphews lived near Salida or Salida.
• 1:11:33
  I don't know how to pronounce it.
• 1:11:34
  Colorado, where Suzanne Morphew, 49, was last seen alive.
• 1:11:39
  Mary Morphew pleaded not guilty in January and is expected to
• 1:11:42
  stand trial in October. In February, attorney attorneys
• 1:11:46
  for Macy and Mallory Morphew, who are Suzanne Morphew's
• 1:11:50
  daughters, filed a motion to force the state to release her
• 1:11:54
  remains. The motion was withdrawn on
• 1:11:57
  Thursday. Attorneys for both Macy and
• 1:12:01
  Mallory said in their initial filing that their mother's
• 1:12:04
  remains were at Swan Lake Funeral Home in Colorado Springs
• 1:12:08
  and had a funeral service planned for their mother when
• 1:12:11
  law enforcement took possession of the body.
• 1:12:13
  The lawyers argued that law enforcement in Colorado had,
• 1:12:16
  quote, stopped them from exercising their constitutional
• 1:12:19
  rights, close quote to hold a funeral for their mother and
• 1:12:22
  bury her remains. Quote, this government conduct
• 1:12:26
  is outrageous, cruel and shocking to the conscience,
• 1:12:28
  close quote attorneys for Macy and Mallory Morphew argued,
• 1:12:31
  responding to attorneys for Suzanne Morphew's daughters.
• 1:12:36
  Prosecutors said the Barry Morphew signed off the on the
• 1:12:39
  cremation of Suzanne Morphew in a court filing.
• 1:12:42
  Barry Morphew did not take a position on the release of her
• 1:12:45
  body. Prosecutors said that Suzanne
• 1:12:48
  Morphew's remains are material evidence to their murder case
• 1:12:51
  against Barry Morphew, asking the court to deny the motion to
• 1:12:57
  release her body. Quote, the defendant in a
• 1:12:59
  murderer case authorized the release of the murders victims
• 1:13:03
  remains prior to pending motions litigation and jury trial and
• 1:13:07
  paid to have them cremated prior to disclosures of his experts
• 1:13:10
  opinions or court rulings on the admissibility of scientific
• 1:13:14
  testing regarding said remains, prosecutors wrote.
• 1:13:16
  So the long short of it is the the daughters have withdrawn
• 1:13:22
  their motion to have their mother's remains and it was
• 1:13:27
  never proper for Barry Morphew to sign off on her cremation
• 1:13:30
  anyway. All right, the last one that I
• 1:13:33
  wanted to bring you was from lauren.silver@courttv.com.
• 1:13:40
  Headline reads Cory Richins juror reveals panel was quote,
• 1:13:44
  hoping that she was innocent. What?
• 1:13:48
  Dateline Park City A juror who found Cory Richins guilty of
• 1:13:52
  murdering her husband is speaking out about the
• 1:13:55
  experience, saying that the entire panel was hoping to
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  acquit the defendant Cory Richards, not Richards.
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  Cory Richins was convicted of killing her husband, Eric
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  Richins, with a deadly dose of fentanyl and cocktails.
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  She served him one evening in February 2022.
• 1:14:12
  Despite the fact that Cory Richins pleaded not guilty and
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  maintained her innocence throughout the trial. 1 juror
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  said, quote, there was never a not guilty check with anything
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  close. Quote, juror #2 has served as
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  foreperson of the panel, told AB CS Good Morning America that the
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  decision to convict came quickly.
• 1:14:30
  Yeah, we, we read about that juror #3 identified as Christie,
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  spoke to journalist Nate Eat. Nate Eaton.
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  He's with East Idaho News about her experience.
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  By the way, let me just tangent this for a second, guys.
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  I'm going to. I'm I got to do it, got to do
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  it. the East Idaho News.
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  We are a hyperlocal news organization.
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  It's called EYT Media. I'm a reporter.
• 1:15:10
  Local small news organizations are so important to the
• 1:15:16
  communities that they serve, and East Idaho News has made a name
• 1:15:22
  for themself. I think mostly coming out of two
• 1:15:26
  main cases, right? The the the so-called Idaho
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  four. I hate to, I hate to call them
• 1:15:35
  that, but the so-called Idaho four.
• 1:15:37
  And then what's her name? Crazy psycho lady who killed her
• 1:15:44
  own children. Why am I blanking on her name?
• 1:15:48
  All I can think right now is Cory Richins.
• 1:15:49
  Give me a second. Oh goodness.
• 1:15:52
  But anyway, Lori Idaho lady who killed her kids, Chad and Lori
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  Daybell. There we are the Daybells Lori
• 1:16:06
  Daybell. So probably he, he was able to
• 1:16:10
  build that because of Chad and Lori Daybell and also the Idaho
• 1:16:15
  4. Nevertheless, he's doing
• 1:16:17
  terrific work. He and his staff.
• 1:16:20
  I love, love, love what they're doing.
• 1:16:22
  That those are just my two cents.
• 1:16:23
  So anyway, juror #3 identified as Christie, spoke to journalist
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  Nate Eaton about her experience. Christie said she spent much of
• 1:16:30
  the trial watching Corey Richins.
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  Quote, To see her sitting there, I couldn't get a read on her.
• 1:16:35
  I had no idea what the whole scope of the case was.
• 1:16:38
  And I remember feeling really sad when I saw her.
• 1:16:41
  She seemed like a small, frail woman.
• 1:16:44
  Close quote Recalling specific witnesses, Christie said she was
• 1:16:48
  surprised by the testimony of Cory Richins.
• 1:16:50
  Paramore, Josh Grossman. I was not prepared for how
• 1:16:54
  emotional he was going to be. She said.
• 1:16:56
  While the jury found Cory Richins guilty in less than 3
• 1:17:00
  hours, the panel had wanted to acquit the defendant, Laura told
• 1:17:03
  ABC. People were really sad because
• 1:17:06
  they did not want to find her guilty.
• 1:17:08
  They were really hoping that she was innocent and we couldn't
• 1:17:11
  come to that conclusion. And it was really heartbreaking,
• 1:17:15
  this devastating reality that this family was torn apart and
• 1:17:18
  the poor kids will never have a dad or mom.
• 1:17:21
  We hardly ever get to see the the inner workings of or or read
• 1:17:26
  about the inner workings of a deliberation room.
• 1:17:30
  It's kind of cool that these jurors have spoken out about
• 1:17:34
  their service, but the fact that they went into it wanting to or
• 1:17:39
  I guess hoping that she would be innocent goes to the, I mean
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  the, you know, the, the system that we have, it's, it's an
• 1:17:51
  imperfect system, but it is the best system in the world.
• 1:17:55
  OK, let me refresh my, my thing here and see what you guys are
• 1:18:01
  saying to me. Pearl snaps.
• 1:18:06
  My ring light is too bright. It is.
• 1:18:08
  It is on my glasses, isn't it? It's a little hot.
• 1:18:12
  Time to turn that down a little bit.
• 1:18:13
  Thank you very much. Pearl snaps.
• 1:18:15
  Emmy says Italian Greek is her favorite food.
• 1:18:20
  I would imagine that it's both Italian and Greek.
• 1:18:23
  Not Italian Greek. That's that's what I'm guessing
• 1:18:26
  glitter. Love me some egg Foo.
• 1:18:28
  Young Autumn saying she just had AKFC famous bowl.
• 1:18:33
  Jeremy saying, lol. Panda Express Chinese.
• 1:18:35
  Yeah, I like Panda Express Chinese.
• 1:18:39
  No, I am a person. If you don't know my my shtick,
• 1:18:42
  I have travelled the world and like, I have travelled the world
• 1:18:48
  extensively, not not as a tourist, but as a business
• 1:18:51
  person, an occasional tourist. I've spent plenty of time in
• 1:18:58
  China, in Hong Kong, in Taiwan. I know what real Chinese food
• 1:19:02
  is. It's delicious.
• 1:19:03
  It's good. Don't really like, you know,
• 1:19:06
  like I don't like to eat, say, like the beaks and Combs.
• 1:19:11
  I like the actual meat of the bird And and I'm not really a
• 1:19:15
  fan of like fish cheeks or eyeballs.
• 1:19:18
  But by and large, Chinese food is delicious.
• 1:19:23
  But I'm all about the American stuff.
• 1:19:25
  That is the way I am. Pearl snaps.
• 1:19:30
  Larry is the person you got the massage with once.
• 1:19:32
  No nae nae. No, that was Stevo.
• 1:19:35
  That was, that was Steve Larry. Larry was the founder of the
• 1:19:40
  company and the boss of both Steve and I And yes, and it was
• 1:19:45
  a Thai massage in an underground, literally
• 1:19:49
  underground Parisian massage parlor that my friend and
• 1:19:55
  distributor Sebastian at the time suggested.
• 1:19:57
  That was that was quite a story. Oh my goodness.
• 1:20:04
  Just ducky Gavin favorite food seafood.
• 1:20:07
  I see food and eat it. Yeah, I've I've been that too.
• 1:20:13
  Where did I see JLR streaming? I I don't think that one is to
• 1:20:19
  me. Redondo Beach.
• 1:20:21
  Loving my long hair. Thank you.
• 1:20:23
  It is get. I got a new blow dryer today.
• 1:20:26
  I ordered it months ago. It showed up today and yeah,
• 1:20:33
  it's I've I've got a lot of body in my hair today thanks to that
• 1:20:37
  surf river. Listen, I've seen this comment,
• 1:20:40
  but but my system hasn't seen the previous like I don't know
• 1:20:45
  which video you're talking about.
• 1:20:47
  If you would please go over to my old website and like if you
• 1:20:53
  have a link that you can share because I would love to see the
• 1:20:56
  video and I know you've been repetitive and I'm sorry that I
• 1:21:00
  didn't, I didn't address this already, but send it to me here,
• 1:21:03
  will you? I would really, really
• 1:21:06
  appreciate that. Thank you very much.
• 1:21:09
  Let's see, Garth B Nutt loves seafood and the spring glitter
• 1:21:14
  is forever says I need to get a robot mower.
• 1:21:16
  I really do. I really do.
• 1:21:18
  I, I don't think it's in the family budget quite yet.
• 1:21:22
  Kimberly and I have been saving for a new car.
• 1:21:25
  That is the next major purchase we are going to make.
• 1:21:29
  Until then, until I can get the robot mower, I suppose I will
• 1:21:34
  just have to get on my little riding mower and pretend it's a
• 1:21:37
  go Kart and and get it done. Alexandra is all about tofu.
• 1:21:44
  I do love tofu. It's great.
• 1:21:47
  Robin says you can just cement your yard and have a lovely rock
• 1:21:50
  garden. Astroturf.
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, if I were a Californian or a Arizonan, I would honestly do
• 1:21:56
  that. My in laws did that in their
• 1:21:57
  backyard. They have a beautiful backyard
• 1:21:59
  that they just kind of have to blow Leafs off of.
• 1:22:02
  It sounds great, but out here I I fear that the nature would
• 1:22:11
  would take it over real fast. That's just the way it is.
• 1:22:16
  Emmy loves spring and summer, but hate the cold and rain.
• 1:22:21
  Miss Chivos Dragon. I like the fall the best.
• 1:22:23
  It's like the spring of summer. Yeah, it does feel good.
• 1:22:26
  It does feel good. All right, guys.
• 1:22:28
  Thank you so much. Oh, let's see if we have.
• 1:22:31
  Mooney says that tangent rendition reminds me of a
• 1:22:33
  Broadway show. Yeah, I've got a few different
• 1:22:35
  tangent ones. CD says.
• 1:22:39
  Oh, wow. You lost a lot of weight.
• 1:22:41
  Way to go. I lost 85 lbs on carnivore
• 1:22:44
  Kedovor. Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Good on ya. I'm down a little over £80 right
• 1:22:49
  now. I am just exercising more and
• 1:22:54
  I'm eating only Whole Foods. I don't eat any prepackaged or
• 1:22:59
  pre prepared foods. I eat meats and vegetables that,
• 1:23:06
  you know, that are whole unprepared and, and then I just
• 1:23:12
  have a, a caloric budget that I stay under and I feel strong.
• 1:23:17
  I feel healthy. I, I was complaining to Kimberly
• 1:23:20
  a little bit earlier today that I'm kind of sick of it.
• 1:23:23
  I'm ready to move on to the next phase where I don't have to have
• 1:23:27
  such a caloric deficit where I can just be eating the, the
• 1:23:31
  right amount of calories to maintain weight, you know, and
• 1:23:35
  the right at the right foods of obviously I don't want to just
• 1:23:37
  eat like 2600 calories of potato chips.
• 1:23:41
  I mean, I do want that, but I'm not going to.
• 1:23:45
  But I'm looking forward to phase two.
• 1:23:47
  I think I've got maybe 18 to 20 more pounds that I need to go
• 1:23:54
  before I'm ready to do that. Lenore is wondering where I'm
• 1:23:59
  from. Yeah, we live in western
• 1:24:01
  Pennsylvania. We're about, you know, if you
• 1:24:04
  look at the western border of Pennsylvania, there's Pittsburgh
• 1:24:09
  in the South and Erie in the north.
• 1:24:11
  We're in the middle of that. That's that's where we are.
• 1:24:17
  Yeah. I see.
• 1:24:18
  Yeah. It's hot on.
• 1:24:19
  I do need to turn it down. Thank you very much.
• 1:24:21
  I will. I will do that.
• 1:24:22
  Thanks. Pearl snaps.
• 1:24:25
  Grace likes Mexican, not Tex Mex.
• 1:24:31
  Women of steel. You have 5 kids, right?
• 1:24:33
  Why are you mowing your lawn at all?
• 1:24:34
  What a great question. That is a great question, right?
• 1:24:40
  What exactly exactly It's because I feel like they're
• 1:24:45
  think like I'm a person that just sits behind a desk all day
• 1:24:48
  long. There are manly things that I
• 1:24:50
  should be doing. Should I should go out and do
• 1:24:53
  manly things. So I I do have to muddle on.
• 1:24:58
  What Car are we looking at right now?
• 1:25:00
  We're looking at the Hyundai Palisade because we got a big
• 1:25:02
  family. All right, thank you guys for
• 1:25:06
  the chat. Thank you for joining me
• 1:25:08
  tonight. I appreciate it.
• 1:25:11
  If you're new here, thank you so much.
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• 1:25:59
  all things true crime. Not sure that I will continue
• 1:26:03
  with, with the JLR situation, you know, in perpetuity, but we
• 1:26:08
  will keep our eye on this. We will continue to cover it.
• 1:26:13
  Thank you again to all of you who are survivors that shared
• 1:26:15
  your story today. Deeply appreciate you and I'm
• 1:26:18
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