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What to Do When You Don’t Feel Like Yourself After Motherhood with Dr. Monica Medrano · The Mami Collective

• Paulina: If you're a mom who needs just one night that's all about you, I need you at Mama Name Easy, the Mommy Collective Summit on October 1st at the Mayfield in Chicago. We're talking incredible food and drinks, local vendors, live music, amazing raffles, inspiring conversations, and our signature panel featuring moms who are building careers, businesses, and lives they love. Plus, I'm excited to announce that Anna Belleval will be joining us as our surprise guest for a live conversation and audience Q<unk>A. Trust me, you don't want to miss this one. Grab your tickets now at theMommy Collective.com. I'll see you there. Welcome to The Mommy Collective. I'm Paulina Rowe, radio host, TV contributor, writer, and mom of one. This is where ambitious moms come to keep their identity intact while navigating motherhood. Here we talk about the real stuff, career, Money, relationships, identity, and everything that gets messy in between. You won't find sugarcoating or cliches. What you will find are unfiltered conversations, real resources, and proof that you don't have to lose yourself to be a good mom. The mommy collective is here to remind you you can be ambitious, you can take up space, and you can thrive in motherhood and in everything else that makes you you. Before we get into the episode, make sure you're following the mommy collective on Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram. And share this podcast with a mommy in your life who Needs a little inspiration or just a reminder that she's killing it. Also, don't forget to sign up for our newsletter and leave us a review so we can keep showing up and reach every ambitious mom out there doing big things. Let's get into it. Hello, it's Mommy Collective, another episode. We are so back. And today I have the privilege and honor of speaking to Dr. Monica Medrano. How are you today? Fabulous. Thanks. Thank you for joining me. So Dr. Medrano is a board-certified family medicine physician with experience in women's health, general primary care, chronic care management, and so much more. And of course, a badass mom to a now seven-month-old. Eight, he turned eight months today. What? ⁓ my gosh. Happy eight months. I know time flies. Totally flies. ⁓ I love it. First and foremost, definitely want to like so much to dive into here, right? We're talking motherhood, we're obviously talking career, we're talking it all. But first and foremost, can you tell us a little bit about yourself if you don't mind and kind of your journey and you know being now with innovative vitality? Can you kind of talk a little about that as well? Yeah, absolutely. So first and foremost, I will let a lot of people know that I'm native of Chicagoan and of Polish Mexican descent, similar to yours truly. ⁓ so ⁓ and like you said, I'm a family medicine dog. Primary care is my jam and then since then You know, I've kind of always up the ante on health, even in the primary care setting, and kind of it just naturally evolved into what we call like longevity. And so that's how I got into innovative vitality sector. I started off with the primary care. The CEO was like, Hey, come and join me, come do this. And I was like I was actually hesitant. I was like, Well, you know, I've done primary care, like that's my thing. And he's like, But you're kinda already doing this. And I was like, Okay. So here I am and it's been a great move. So basically just doing the the medicine I've always wanted to do and honestly the time and the setting to to do it and be really meaningful and not just, you know, kind of in that crunch that a lot of providers see themselves in. Totally. And curious, what is different about your role today, right, than maybe like five, ten years ago or even before then, as far as the kind of care that you were providing? Like what makes it different today? So I in a nutshell call it primary care on steroids. So I still do a lot of primary care things. So the screenings, you know, make sure you're on your vaccines and all that kind of stuff. But then I take it a I take it a a few steps further, depending on what my patients want to achieve. That's actually like the first question I ask them when I meet them is what are you looking to accomplish? ⁓ and then kinda go from there. But I also take care of them when they're not feeling their best and they may need more immediate attention and things like that. So really it's primary care, but f really in depth compared to what you get in your typical like you know, once a year visit, for example. Absolutely. So I kinda wanna dive into that too. So w when you're saying like, you know, we kind of go a little deeper with w the blood, whatever it might be, right? What makes like you Different in terms of like, okay, I'm just gonna get my blood drawn, for example, and we're gonna just see this. Like, what else do you dive into that might be helpful for me to know, right? Especially as a mom. Yeah. ⁓ no, great question. Some of the big ones are like vitamin levels, for example, hormones, huge, huge, huge, huge, especially because our hormones don't stay the same in every era of life. And those are some of the big ones. And then Also, just certain longevity markers, inflammatory markers that say, like, are we doing the best for ourselves? Are we feeding ourselves well? Is there something going on underneath that we didn't even think about? And so, just to give you an idea, when someone sees me for the first time, I do a full battery of labs and they come out to, I believe it's like 34 labs to start with, you know? And so, and then from there I kind of like see, like, are you in optimal range? And what do we do to get there? And then do we need to do more? You know? But also if someone says like, hey, I've had these issues for a long time, and then I'm like, you know what? This sounds like this. Like, let's look into this, let's check on this, to really like dive in a little deeper. And some of the tests are can be very, very unique depending on that specific patient and things like that. But I like them to be like good starting points. They're not the be on and end all. And then those tests can change over time. So I may not need to test the same thing all the time. I may say, Okay, this is a one-time thing. If you're negative, you're negative, you're good. But Hormones, for example, I may check every three to six months. Cholesterol, I check every three months, things like that. So much more in depth than just like I said, your one time thing. Right, absolutely. So obviously you're trained to understand, right, the body clinically and all of that as well. But did pregnancy birth or like postpartum sort of teach you about women's health that maybe like medical training couldn't? Cause you've obviously been through it recently, too, eight months ago. ⁓ my goodness, yes. ⁓ my goodness. So we talk hormones, right? And we think about them as like very distinct stages and that it just doesn't work that way. There's a ebb and a flow to hormones, even their stages in the postpartum period and things like that. And so not only did I look at things different clinically, also and personally just like the empathy and the things that you hear about, but also and I did my own little post about this, I kinda biohacked my own postpartum recovery because of all the stuff I know. So for example, I checked my hormones, like ⁓ or not hormones, all my labs, vitamins included, first trimester or second trimester, third trimester, and in the media postpartum period, and like my vitamins, especially things like zinc, tanked completely. And I was like, whoa, where's this coming from? And they never talk about something like zinc in pregnancy, they talk about like iron and you know, so on and so forth. And then, like I said, I was like, Okay, I know what's gonna happen to my hormones right when I give birth, they're gonna drop. And so I was able to get on that regulatory bus. immediately to basically feel more at my baseline than I would have had I gone just let things kind of take their own route. So that was how it would be like biohacking, for example. W which allowed me to do that for myself. But then also with my postpartum patients too. ⁓ no absolutely and I'm sure you you had like a different I don't like you saw like the other side, like right once like you have went through it, become a mom, like how can you not, you know, to be completely transparent. Like what I'm curious too, ⁓ what has it been like entering motherhood where where like so much can feel uncertain and obviously like outside of your control, right? But like being a medical professional, like how does that feel? So it is it's an ebb and a flow, I'll totally admit that. But I will tell you that motherhood humbled me significantly because as a family medicine doc, I'm trained from like birth onward. Even with OB training, I've delivered babies as well. And let me tell you, when it's your own kid, it's a whole different story. But The other part to that is there is a certain level of comfort I've gotten with the uncertainty because in medicine there's no promises, right? You can't always get an answer to something, it's not always clear cut, etc. etc. And so I've become okay with the whole we'll figure it out kind of thing, which is really which I also try to convey to my patients and being like, listen, I don't know, but let's figure it out. You know, and that's kind of the ongoing way that medicine works. And that's why it's more in-depth than that whole one-seer thing, because one time doesn't give you that whole let's figure it out sort of aspect, if that makes sense. Totally. And then you know this too, but like as new mothers, we're constantly told that maybe like exhaustion, the mommy brain, right? Brain fog, anxiety, all of that, not feeling like yourself, it's just like a part of motherhood. But like how can somebody like a woman tell the difference between Maybe like a normal adjustment and then a symptom that might deserve a little more medical attention. The key is if things like that start bleeding into your everyday life, are do you no longer have joy in the things that you did or were once find really joyous? We we talk about things like libido and braid fog or whatever. Well, does it impact you like paying your bills? Is there no like self-love and appreciation for the self and things like that? And that's where you know that okay, we've we've passed okay and like I guess normal for recovery and gone into more pathological and things where we do need to pay a bit more attention and l scope into why what's going on and why. Yeah, a hundred percent. And has becoming a mom yourself changed the way that you listen to women too when they say like something feels off today or something's been feeling off, right? Even if like let's say their test results might come back normal. Do you feel like you kind of start thinking different? That's a great question, Paulina. And my answer to that is not at all. My biggest thing is that a person has been with their body way longer than I've known them. And so it behooves me to shut up and listen and say, okay, I hear you. Let's once again like let's figure it out. Let's take a look at a couple things, so on and so forth. And then even if I don't have an answer, at least work through, okay, maybe we don't know why exactly, but what if we try a couple things, whether it be supplementation, hormonal regulation, et cetera, et cetera, to try to treat, basically. And once again, I can't guarantee answers or anything like that, but at least we'll give it a good faith effort. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean I I completely Ca I can see that, you know, and I love ⁓ how you said you're like I you know, you've known your body longer than I have, and that and that's real. And I think doctors like you and medical professionals like you are, in my opinion, very necessary because it seems like you are there to listen to what I'm saying and help me find that solution, you know. I'm telling you, one of the greatest skills I've learned is to shut the F up and listen. And I will tell you that a lot of the times a patient actually brings me Not the answer per se, but the info that allows me to work things through with them. And I'm just like, you already came here with the answer, like let's go, you know? And so it's really great. But goes back to the relationship, of course, not just me. I completely get that. A lot of, you know, the this podcast and platform is based off of ambition. So a lot of ambition, women, moms, right? We're often praised for pushing through discomfort, which I think is very common. From a physician's perspective, when does resilience start to become self neglect in your opinion. ⁓ that's a good question. Essentially go kind of goes back to your previous question of like how do you know things are a problem and not just a normal part of recovery or healing? And that's when things start like really leaking into other parts of life that shouldn't have that. You know what I mean? Like are you is sleep so badly impacted that can't remember simple tasks or, you know, things like that. Or maybe even to dangerous mode, like are you falling asleep at the wheel? Like, you know, stuff like that where you're like, okay, no, that's not okay. And we need to dive in further as to why that's happening, but also what do we do about it too? Right. No, I mean I 100% agree. And what would you say? I think I know the answer. What's the first start with Dr. Monica Mendra Moderano? ⁓ where do we go first? Like if I come in and literally say that verbatim, what are we doing first? Labs. Lavs. Listen, there's parts of the exam, right? The subjective, which is what a patient tells me. Huge, huh, shoot, shoot, and I will tell you that my intake's ginormous. Second is also what people forget about too. Oftentimes it's the the physical exam. And that is visual, actually. Not only just can I look into your ears and heart rate, but I see vitals and I see how a pa how a person looks. You know what I mean? Like how how are they presenting themselves and how are they walking? How are they standing, etc. etc.? And then taking a look on the inside. And really one of the only ways to do that other than imaging is lab work. And so that's basically step one, two, three, if you want to think about that one. One, two, three. Yeah. I love it. What are your thoughts and opinions on and I know like every, I don't even know, decade or maybe even less, there's always I call it the new hotness. Whatever that hotness might be, or whatever people are doing, right? The hotness, whatever people are taking or doing, or like you see advertise or essentially not with on social media, you see it everywhere. But obviously the big conversation are like GLP one's peptides, right? Do you mind if you're fine with it, do you mind kind of diving into what those both are, like the difference between them or maybe they're the same, I'm not too sure. But like I'm on, for example, a through one of your colleagues, Dr. Kare, I am on a GLP one and like for me personally, I'm two years postpartum, but I feel like it has really helped me with a lot from like sugar cravings or just like the way that I eat to obviously losing weight and other great benefits in my opinion. But I'm curious though, if you don't mind sort of breaking down what those two are, the GLPs, right? And then the the peptides and sort of like how how how do they work for people as far as like what benefits have you seen? Do you recommend your patients beyond it? I'm sure it's different for everybody. But how does that kinda look for you? That's a great question. So I will preface this by saying that prior to medicine, I was actually an analytical chemist. And so you are talking to the right girl. ⁓ peptides in general, and GLP1s are peptides, but not all peps measure GLP1s. Does that make sense? So peptides are short chain amino acids. Simple. And that is a huge category of things, basically. GLP ones, ⁓ very, very well known as were originally like diabetes medications actually and found to help with weight management by not only like you said curbing appetite but also slowing gastric emptying. It also creates intolerances for things like sugars and you know, things like that. And that's how ⁓ but also metabolically reset, to be frank with you. And I will I made it on ⁓ and disclose this on my post as well. I'm on a low dose GLP1 too. One of the greatest things I think could be done in the postpartum era, to be frank with you. And so that's kind of the GLP1 things and their subsets to that too. Peptides in and of themselves or how we think of them are basically their amino acids or other kind of chemistry things that can help us at a cellular level, if you want to think of it this way. And I will tell you that I'm on a current I'm currently on a stack myself. It's when you have multiple that kind of work together. I've been on NED for almost three years at this point, one of my favorites. I'm also on glutathione which helps with energy, also has helped with memory, cerebral function, things like that. I'm also on glutathione, which is also a longevity peptide that helps also with skin more skin tone and kind of like discolorations and things like that. I will tell you that one I'm still on the fence about. And then my very last one, and this one I thought was huge in postpartum as well, is what's called the Wolverine stack, and that's BPC 157 and TB500, mainly because one of the things we actually don't really think about in the postpartum era is how our body has stretched so much in pregnancy to obviously make way for a human being. And now it has to find its way back. And that comes with aches and pains. I noticed it in my hips, in my ankles, which I thought was very strange. And so this particular peptide has helped with those aches and pains and just recovery with physical activity and all that kind of stuff. So I'm a huge, huge fan. I definitely think it has to be tailored to what a person is trying to achieve. The other thing is that, like anything else that is biological in this particular sense, they take time. There's not like you can do something for a month and be like, ⁓ I'm brand new and fixed again or whatever you want to look at there, it does take quite a bit of time to really find to see the dividends of what you're trying to achieve in a peptide. So patience is key there. And how would you recommend or prescribe like a peptide or a GLP to each of like patient? Is that again based off of lab work, based off of like what you feel like the symptoms might be for that person? That's a great question. Lab work in this particular case actually shows anything that would be a bad idea. So for example, GLP1s, one of the things are contraindicated or certain types of thyroid issues, like cancer, for example, that's obviously a big one. And so, you know, we check thyroid function at the very least to make sure that there aren't any anomalies we have to look into first to make sure there aren't any contraindications to it. So that's I would say the biggest thing. The biggest thing the other thing about the peptides is that they are not FDE approved at this point. And so there may be some lab markers that can help navigate that, but they're really not meant for that kind of thing. How do you order them? You have to go through trusted compounding pharmacies or manufacturers to make sure that you're getting something legit, right? As opposed to just ordering on what's called the gray market nowadays. And you know, I for what it's worth, because I was a chemist. I not only help navigate the dosage, but I also create the dosing schedule. Because it's not just like, here you go, call it a day. There's a buildup to it. There's nuances to how long you stay on something depending on the peptide. And then navigate any discomforts that come with that. So I strongly recommend anyone who wants to go into peptides work with someone, ideally a provider who's knowledgeable about them just in case and to mitigate any issues that may come up. Yeah, no, absolutely. I love that. Well, thank you so much for kind of breaking that down and debunking some of the other myths that come with it. But no, I I love it. I like I said, I'm on the GLP one. Yes, Dr. Kare did say that is a peptide technically as well. But then I was asking about other things and maybe we'll dive into that too. Like I haven't quite yet with him, but I mean, I think that's something worth exploring. So I love your transparency and I thought that was amazing. So question for you. Obviously moms from all walks of life, right? Whether you have littles or you have, you know, kids going off to college, we tend to put or like sort of become the managers of everybody else's health in the house, right? While postponing our own appointments. But why do you think that women have been conditioned, right, to treat their healthcare as optional versus baby's healthcare or their kids or even like their husbands, you know what I mean? ⁓ that's a great question. And I think that one is n normalizing what women go through and saying that's just part of whatever it is that you're going through. Like that's normal. You know what I mean? As opposed to like that's not okay, and we can do better. And so I think that because we've normalized so much that inherent managing other people's lives and you know the internal suffering that's sometimes that we can oftentimes go through has just become okay in society. And now I'm seeing a huge movement and I couldn't be more excited about it, in our hormone like regulation in terms of like perimenopause and menopause and Things like that. And so ideally that will continue in terms of women's health, especially and continue into the postpartum era of being like, ⁓ you just had a baby, or shouldn't you have lost baby weight or all this kind of stuff and not normalize but rather individualize a person's experience and say what is okay for you may not be okay for somebody else and go from there. Yes, a hundred percent. Ladies, take care of yourselves, please always So obviously there's a growing obsession I feel with like optimizing, let's say, every part of our lives. So sleep, hormones, weight, productivity, right? Obviously, parenting if you're in that era of a two year old like I am, or an eight month old like you are, right? Especially like with the littles. At what point can the pursuit of wellness create more stress than health, do you think? I think there is a point where if someone asks themselves, why am I doing this? then it needs to be revisited. Because if you're not seeing Dividends, whatever they may be, progress towards your goals, things like that, then you need to reassess the situation and what you're doing for that. And it could be the goal itself, but it could also be how you're getting there. But really, if it comes to the point where it doesn't seem worth it, you have to question whether or not it is. ⁓ one of my favorite sayings is is the juice worth the squeeze? And if you come to a point where in your own reflection you're like, I don't know, then you need to question. And say, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? Go back, revisit, maybe pare it down, restart, change direction, something like that. Absolutely. And earlier you didn't mention this, but you did say that you recently made this move right into longevity medicine full time. My assumption is while adjusting right to an eight-month-old and life with an eight-month-old and life kind of being a little bit different, right? So I'm curious for you. What kind of made this the right decision or like the next chapter as we're calling our summit on October first here? What we're gonna be doing on October first at the Mayfield. But I'm curious, like even though the timing may not have been like the most convenient, or maybe it was, but it might not have been because like you know, brand new mom, right? You have an eighth month old. Why did you feel like this was the next move for you, the next chapter? Like I said, I was hesitant at first because I I had a groove into what I was doing and things like that. But really it was the CEO that was like, listen, you're already doing this. You're already doing all of these things. You're already going in for in depth. You're already talking about all these things, but now you really have the stage and the platform to do it. The other part to that, very frankly, is have being with a supportive employer. Let's be honest, right? Support is everything. And if I didn't have that, not only from my employer, but from My husband from my family, all that kind of stuff, then this would have been a very questionable move. Be like, can I do all of it? Can I do all these things and even have a baby? Like, can I do all that? So really support, as as I'm sure everyone knows, is number one. And it does even count to who you work for on a daily basis. So that's really what came in. It's like already doing it, plus support equals obvious move. And I love that you're very honest about that. And yes, shout out because I think I didn't realize how important flexibility was until I became a mom. Like obviously every human being wants flexibility. It's that's not like the sexiest thing in the world, of course, I'll take it, right? But like becoming a mom made me really grateful for it and then realize that how necessary it is, in my opinion. I'm like every mom needs some kind of flexibility whatever industry field you're in, every mother deserves flexibility because at the end of the day, like being a mom is the number one job that we have, right? And then it's like I still wanna do like you still wanted to practice right and be in medicine and I wanted to still do radio, but if it wasn't something that fit, like you said, or maybe like they my employer wasn't so supportive, then it might be a different story of how that would have went, you know? Absolutely, absolutely, totally. And that's the thing too, it's like my baby ain't going nowhere. I'd be questioning other things and it would not be him. Yeah. ⁓ that's real, and I 100% agree. A hundred percent. I'm curious too, right? Motherhood overall for you, has that kind of changed your definition of whether it's success or ambition, right? Obviously, like Monica 10 years ago might have had a vision of like what you wanted for yourself or like where you wanted to be, right? But has motherhood changed your definition of ambition, or has it kind of made you a little more protective, right, of where you place it? Another good question. No, I would say it has made me even more ambitious. A big part of that is seeing what I've been capable of, right? Like pregnancy, birth, like br raising a human, plus still being a badass physician, right? I've gotten hungrier, but like if I can do that, I can do more. You know what I mean? Like I want more. And once again, I get lots of support, so it's not just me being ambitious, ambitious, but that's b been what it is. Like wow, I've been able to do so much already. And I'm like, what else? What else can I do? And so no, just like you, Paulina, we've talked about this before, where like you just want more. Like, I can do that. I can like, okay, give me. You know what I mean? So that's where it's at. And so I'm excited to see just how the journey progresses. I love it. I'm excited to see too. And as far as ⁓ Max just being the absolute light of your life, has he taught you, you think, anything about yourself that maybe you never knew? Ooh, yeah, that okay. He has taught me a lot. Mainly, what I don't know. The biggest thing, like I said, is yes, I'm a physician, I'm a family medicine physician with OB training, right? Like I know the textbook stuff, but I didn't realize how I didn't know some of the day-to-day things. Like, can he eat this? Is that okay? One of the things we are currently working through is a cow milk intolerance. And I'm like, Okay, well shit. Well, can I feed my kid now? Like, ⁓ my god, you know, and then also Kids grow out of that sort of thing. How do I introduce that without potentially causing a medical issue and so on and so forth? And so I've definitely been humbled in terms of what I don't know as a mother, but also, as it turns out, what I don't know as a physician. So that's where I was like, you know what? I need to go see an allergist. Like, I don't know how to navigate this. And so he has definitely humbled me in that sense. Like, some stuff I'm like, okay, we'll work it out, but some of the other stuff I'm just like, okay, then this is new. And I don't know what to do. And I will tell you, I've had early mornings where I'm just like, Claude, can you tell me how to do this, please? Or Google or whatever. I can you teach me something? Because I don't know what to do right now. And yeah, that's how it's been. But also I've been like, Well, okay. And here we are. So that's yeah, that's I absolutely. Absolutely. That's so real though. That is so real. So even Our very own doctor, Doctor Monica Mendrano, runs to AI and asks, you know, can my kid eat the berries or whatever the question might be. Right. I'm like, I literally cre I was like, create me a plan on how I get this kid back to sleep, please. Like that absolutely happened. I'm like teething, what can I do for this? Other than like, you know, I'm not gonna I don't wanna give my I'm not gonna give my kid bourbon. I know that's a thing. I've heard of it, but I'm like, I don't wanna do that. Do I just do the cold toys? Or is there something else? Like, you know, like, whoa, this kid has humbled me. I tell you what. But I'm grateful for it every day. I love it. No, humbled is the word. And it's so interesting too because like s something they can't teach you essentially on paper is like every kid is different too. So if you have another, you're gonna that kid could be a totally different kid. It could be This or that, they're gonna do things different, right? Like different intolerances. Like it's it's insane. I mean even if you talk to your mom friends of k you know, someone who's got like a eight month old or a one year old, they might tell you something and that sounds fabulous, but it just might not work for you and Max, you know? That's exactly what's happened to like my circle of friends. We all have kids that are like generally kind of similar in ages and what they did and they're like this and that, and I'm just like Well, this is what I did, so you know, but it all also goes back to the whole support thing, right? One thing I also did was ⁓ stay away from those like social media mom groups. I'm like, I don't need to be judged for how I raise my child, you know what mean? And having supportive mom friends is the other part to that because then we're there's no clapbacks, nothing that be like, Hey girl, I'm here for you. Whatever you need, you need a babysitter, you need to like you whatever, you need some GLP one advice, like let's go. You know what I mean? And so that's the other part of the support that we were talking about too. For sure. I love it. No, it's so important. You need your crew, your village, whatever it might be. You need it. Every mother needs support. That's another hill. I swear I will die on. I promise you. Like big believer. I love it. Absolutely. Before we wrap up, when your son Max is older, right, and looks at the life and the career that you've built and honestly everyone that you've helped to along the way, what do you hope that he understands about his mother, right? Not just as a doctor, but just as a woman, as his mom. So I hope he sees me not only with love and respect, of course, but also admiration. Like, wow, like that's just a badass human being. And beyond that, I want to be able to raise a good man, right? And to be able to convey that to every woman he interacts with to understand their value. And not only like I said, love and respect, but also admiration, badassery. Like And be able to look a little further and be like, ⁓ this is not I'm not gonna gloss over things or whatever, and just be like, Hey, you know, like you're kind of fucking awesome. And I love that. And you know what? That therefore I want him to just be like, therefore, all women are fucking awesome and I should respect that and appreciate it, you know? So that's my hope. That's my hope. I just wanna raise a good man and have him enter society and be like, I see you. I see you, I hear you. I love that. Well, thank you so much for being here with us today. We appreciate you so much. Now, before I let you go, of course, where can we follow you on social? And then if anybody wants to contact you, maybe book an appointment with you, where can we do that as well? If you are taking patience. ⁓ yes, absolutely. So I'm gonna admit that I'm weak on the socials, I'm working on it. Amongst some other things I have on my plate, of course, ⁓ Medrano ⁓ D, obviously take all the Ms is my Instagram. And then if you do want to come see me, even if it's just a chat, we could do a one-time consultation, all that good stuff, you go to our Innovative Vitality page, go to like book an information call, and it all goes from there. But listen, if there's other questions or people want to know some stuff or they just want to be led in the right direction, like you know, reach out, let me know what's up, and I'm happy to at least Give you something. You know what I mean? Just it's a team effort and I'm all about it. You really are. And we appreciate you so much for being a part of our community here for coming on the pod. And we are seeing you, I believe, October first at the summit. I think I'll be there, but listen, either way I'm there in spirit, Melina. I wanna Yeah, I hope so too. But you know how it is, mom life. So I And that's why I can't get mad. I can't get mad. I don't really want All can try is my best. All I can try is my best, Paulina. But listen, have a wonderful summit. Thank you so much for your time as well. And also being a badass Mama Jamma. Appreciate you. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming on today. Take care.