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Kaspars Maksimovs - The Fitness Epidemic: We've Forgotten How To Play · Total Barnage

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  SPEAKER_03: Kasper Maximov, welcome to Total Barnage.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very glad to be here, guys.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: Finally.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we did we did a little recording a couple of weeks back.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but unfortunately, I mean it was a great it was a great conversation and we'll touch upon it today.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we just found, you know, it was just it was just a bit rushed.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: And now we've got a little bit more time to go into a bit of depth about your your training, your life, and kind of your pivot from what was a lot kind of a long focus on strength and conditioning in a more like natural, obvious sense to more movement and mobility and like a kind of more holistic training.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Does that sound about right?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I guess you could call that, yeah.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I guess you could call that, yeah.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was raised by uh doing uh bodybuilding and powerlifting and weightlifting, and then I kind of yes, moved away from that to a bit more if you want to call it holistic, more movement approach to the training.
• 0:56
  unknown: Yeah.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, how how would you how would you describe it?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like you got into well, first off, let's start with like you you're a personal trainer, you've your affiliation with Barn, Barn Gym is you know, you've been working a bit here over like when when did you start?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: When did you start here?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: What's your link with Barn?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the link with Barn is uh me and Guy working together at Underground Gym, probably at 2019.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where we met Guy when he was a young fella.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think and he's 18, I think 18 years old he was.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we met at Underground, and yes, then at 2020, 2020, I think it was.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he kind of moved his business down to the barn, and then I just came and see him.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: We did a couple of workouts together, it was a great place.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: And at that summer, I moved away to Ukraine for two years, and then when I came back from Ukraine, uh I was looking for places to work, and Guy was open for me to come down here.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that was, I think that was 2022, yeah.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right, and I've been here ever since doing personal training, coaching a few classes, and being part of the barn community.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what what kind of draw you would drew you to to barn to set up?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, you had a link with Guy, and we chatted about in the uh episodes about Jim Fails way back, one of the first episodes.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: Guy talked about his underground days, he talked about his nightmare first like personal training or class session where he smacked his eye on a like tricep pull-down bar.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: And uh yeah, well, like what was you know what what brought you back other than was it just the link with with Guy?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the link with Guy probably played uh a role in me kind of venturing out and seeing what else is out there.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: As I live uh maybe like a 30 minutes drive away from here on by the seaside in Hastings, uh uh this gym obviously is uh second to none for the location it is and for the environment around it.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: So um for me was really an old brainer to be part of it and you know make sure that I can give my experience expertise to his members and potentially bring some of my members down here as well to enjoy training outdoors rather than in a gym environment, you know.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: It is a gym, but you can't really classify it as a gym, I guess.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: So different to regular gyms, isn't it?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: So different.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't I don't think you can.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a it's an interesting one.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like there is a gym here, but it's it just I don't know, you can't really do it justice until until you're here.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, what when you drive through the lane, like you know, that first part, like as you're coming towards the gym, and if you take uh take your windows down and just listen to the nature, like you it's like a meditation for me.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like I go in here and a minute of drive towards the gym is like, oh, I'm in a different world.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a portal, you know, and yeah, you're just feeling like oh, this is this is where I want to be.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's also just as much like community as well as the environment.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I think I just feel like the community that we have here kind of matches the calm environment that surrounds it.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, I think that's also I can tell you Thursdays are the day I'm looking forward to every week to come down here, guys.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: Us too.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Not Wednesdays, you'll miss out on the hot ones.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Wednesdays, yeah, Wednesdays.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure what you why do you bring treats on a Wednesday, Charlotte.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm not here.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: So what up?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: I swear.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Charlotte Charlotte brought some treats yesterday and uh Casper missed out.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but hey, Casper brings but he brings the good stuff, he brings uh you're to Hastings Bakery, yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, shout out to Maker Baker, yes.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Love your pastries, guys.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm bringing them out all the way to etching him as well.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: Far and wide.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, brilliant.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I guess one thing to touch upon is what do you you kind of mention like with the with nature and the the environment?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_03: What can you achieve with let's say coaching people down at a gym that is in the countryside that is surrounded by a lot of greenery that you can't achieve in let's say like a more commercial gym?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: What's the big you know difference?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh whenever I train people in a gym, there's two different settings.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you can train a person in a gym when the gym is quiet, and you can uh really connect to the person in like a let's call it a deeper level where you can really kind of feel that the person is present and you can give them the information you kind of want to give them in your training session.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you can train someone in a gym when the gym is super busy, and you are doing your best to make sure that they don't lose their focus on the task you are kind of setting them out, right?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever we come here, those things disappear.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know that if I'm gonna be working with a client here, like they will be so present because they got sounds of nature around them, they don't have LED lights kind of buzzing on their heads all the time, right?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they will just feel much more open.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the biggest difference is that I can actually be connected to the person when I train them here rather than being stuck in a gym environment and doing my best to maintain that connection with the person.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's the biggest one here.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: And how much of a difference does that make to obviously the the experience is one thing, it's it's a lot more calming and you're regulated, and like I say, like the presence and the connection is really important with the coach as well.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, from a result like results perspective, do you see a lot better results when almost your environment matches the type of training that you're trying to do?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well is it not or is it not like well a client really sees you one hour or one and a half hours a week, twice a week, and so on.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can give them the information in that time and they can actually catch up on it, makes a big difference.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: If that hour is you trying to make sure you kind of maintain that connection and you never know that if it's gonna stick to them, like that's a completely different.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: So results-wise, yes, like you know, people come to us, one is for our experience, two is for expertise, and three to actually like have some sort of a sense of like oh connect I wouldn't call it a connection, I would call it more of like reassurance of like this person's gonna guide me somewhere for to kind of achieve my goal.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if we are in this environment, much more achievable.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's much more achievable.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say that uh yeah, if you're training a person here, like it's much better better chance for you to get the results with a client.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think especially with the UCASP, like you know, kind of talking about having that connection with clients, I think them being drawn to in the first place is super important, and you've got a really, really nice, like you've got a very relaxed demeanor, but you're also very confident and knowledgeable.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Have you always kind of had that same exterior that's drawn those clients in, or were you or like were you different before?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like with your coaching, was it always this kind of the same approach?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh confidence is a good one.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say with coaching, I've always been super confident with coaching.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: I always think that I can give something for the client to for them to feel like they will achieve their goals, right?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'll be able to drive them towards their goal.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like they tell me what they want, and I'll be like, right, well, let's fucking work for it, you know.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but then uh if you look at it from a different perspective, right?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a person, let's say, comes here and they want to be coached, like I will look at it, is their motivation like genuine or is it uh kind of pushed up on from someone?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's if it's not really their motivation where they're coming from, like it will be a completely different different uh question you will ask me.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like where is that confidence gonna come from?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like from my coaching.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I will be able to kind of understand like is that person a coachable person and they really coming to me to kind of achieve that goal, or it's that goal or that achievement is kind of like put on them from a different yeah, or what would be the right word from a different uh kind of influence, influence, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: And like actually like it's not what the person might want, but it's something what the person might have felt like they need.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's not what they kind of I feel like that's such an important thing to know.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, want to express with their body.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Important thing to touch upon with coaches as well and clients.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people think, you know, when they get a coach, it's like you take this magic pill and the results are there.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: But with us coaches, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, and if the client's not coming here for the right reason, you know, I mean we've all experienced it with you know, a couple clients in the past where they just don't they're not really sure what they're kind of wanting from it, and it might have been an external person that's pushed them to do it, and you know, you can do so much with that client, but y you might not end up getting those results just because they don't want it either.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, of course.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you need to be completely transparent to the person, right?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: To kind of be tell them like this is my expertise, this is my practice, and this is what I teach.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to go that road with me, great.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: But if your road is that you know, you want to get abs for summer, like uh probably like I will not guide you to there, right?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'll probably, you know, like show you how to do it, but will our training be focused on that?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: How how do you because it's interesting because there's there's what people think they want and then what they actually want a lot a lot of the times, and then and then there's what they need as well.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: But how do you make someone maybe understand that what they think they want isn't actually what they they need or their true design?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say they come in with a certain goal which might be a you know a standard focus of um you know weight loss, or they just want to move a little bit better, but they might be you know, I guess they might not be kind of completely open to all of the stuff that the ways that you might coach.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: How do you uncover what sort of questions do you ask them to try and find that the root of their desire and their need?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: I do need to remind myself uh on a regular basis that I'm a physical practitioner, right?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: And like that's my profession, and I want to guide them to like okay, like let's make sure that your body feels comfortable and stable, and you know, like your posture stays upright.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, let's say exactly let's say a person comes to me, let's say like that we all do that, then it's completely fine.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And me feel it makes makes makes us understand that we're comfortable, right?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but let's say if a person comes to me and like they're like this, right?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, obviously, like I do understand that mechanically, like I might give them, you know, a little bit of chest opening, I might give them some postural work, right?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'll give them some balance work so they don't feel like they need to be slouched forward.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, there's probably some chemical things going wrong, probably some psychological things wrong.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I will not tell that to them, but I will slowly give them the advice to guide them for them to ask the questions, maybe not to me, but to someone else, right?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I do still need to remind myself that I am mainly physical therapists or physical coach, and I want to give them as much feeling of relief from you know, like holding specific postures as I can.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: So then next time they come in, they're like, Oh, do you know what?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like, actually, I felt like this throughout the whole day sitting by my desk.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: I try to stay a little bit more upright and I try the drills you told me, and actually, like, I feel like I feel much more confident, you know, and then great.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then the client can go in and explore a bit further, like what they need to do with their bodies, you know?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Physical, chemical, and psychological.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And as because you've you know you've been coaching for a really long time now, like you've been in this game for a while.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: At the start of your coaching journey, what was your approach like with your clients compared to how it is now?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: Were you kind of like the bog standard, like, oh yeah, you want to get apps?
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we'll do this little cut, we'll do some, you know, like kind of bodybuilding style training or hypertrophy style training.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: How did you kind of transition into the style of training that you do now?
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like what kind of flip the switch?
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess like it will be good for me to kind of come back into a little bit of history of the background of like why, how do I train, why I train, and like what kind of lead me to where I am right now, right?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: From age of six, uh, my parents put me into a Greco-Roman wrestling club for the sake of like I for the sake of uh you know, me being a boy in uh like ex-Soviet Union country where boys do fight a lot, like you need to know how to look after yourself, you know, like you're gonna get bullied, like you know, if you're a scrawny little kid, like they put me in a place where I learned how to suplex at age of seven, and like that was a that was a superpower.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it, you know, like I loved it.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was never a bully or such, but like I knew that like if something's gonna happen, like you had any locker, don't mess with me.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like at age of seven, I can do like 10 plus pull-ups.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't want to do that with me.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: I can walk on my hands for two minutes and so on.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's all fine.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I know how to control my body.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then kind of after the Greco-Roman times, I went into all different kinds of uh competitive sports, like football, basketball.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: My main one, which I've been doing ever since age of 12, is floorball.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's similar to ice hockey, but it's indoors, it's lots of changing directions of movement, you know, lots of sprinting, a lot of like high-intensity interval training.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: If like if you can kind of bring it back to like um gym-based environment.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, like that's how like I've raised myself as a kid.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I've always done that.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: As a kid, I trained like three hours a day, every day.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Weekends we went away to you know to games, maybe like an hour, two hours, three hours away, and you played competitive.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, I've I've been raised in that environment.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if I sit still for too long, like I feel like I'm wasting away.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like that's the feeling.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for we you know, uh, but then I moved over to England, age of 17.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh maybe a year before that, I found out about weight training and strength conditioning and bodybuilding.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: And at that age, like 15, 16, I started to do some weightlifting and like going to the gym and doing bench press and all these things, and I saw such a big change of my strength comparing to like my peers in sports that I was like, well, that is the formula.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if I'm gonna do that and still compete, like no one's gonna touch me.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And in a way, they didn't.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it was great for that period of time, right?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh as I moved to England, like that was the that was my kind of outlook.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, well, let me deep dive into personal training, working at the gym.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: There, I picked up strongman and I competed in a lot of local strongman competitions.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like at the age of 20, I think like my deadlift, I've never I was never big, like 75, 80 kilos.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's like my like limit.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: I had like a 230 kilo deadlift back then, you know.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was bench pressing 140 kilos.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was never big in frame, but like I just had a lot of power, right?
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I was I was just leaning onto that, like, well, that's what I can do.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let me do that even better, you know.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and competed in bodybuilding, won some shows, that was great.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I needed to kind of decide do I want to go into that pro category with the bodybuilding and so on.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: I decided not to because like that environment would kind of lead me to start taking enhancing drugs and whatnot, and like it just didn't align with me, like wasn't a thing.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Then I thought, like, well, I'm strong, I do my, you know, do my floorball as well, like that's going well.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let me dive into weightlifting.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I did weightlifting for two years.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Weightlifting for two years was great.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was bulking, I was gaining some weights, like I was becoming much stronger.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I decided to go to Russia to train with all the beasts, you know, like the guys who who you see on the telly who do all the like man mental lifts.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you look at Instagram, you know, them lifting like 200 kilos above their head, you're like, wow, you know, like if as we are, like we live in this environment, we appreciate like the strength which is behind there, like people who don't really like this, like, oh, someone's lifting weight, but we know like how impressive that is, right?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I was driven to like let me go to Russia and let me train with those guys, and so I did.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I went to Russia, training with those guys, obviously, training just ramps up so much more.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm in a training camp two times two weeks, training twice a day, five days a week, and what happens?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, my body just did not hold on to it, and then I injured my rotator calf.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of strained my whole back, and uh I kind of carried on training without really thinking that something is wrong, like you know, like something is wrong with my structure.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I kind of carried on going until I realized that like I'm living in pain, like I'm training, but I'm actually like pushing through pain all the time, and it was that um that feeling of like I don't really know how to listen to the to my body what it's saying, but I'm trying to mask it by training through it, right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then I would say around age 28, I started to kind of understand that what am I really chasing with trying to kind of gain more weight or gain more strength and you know, like achieve better, better numbers in my lifts.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know what?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck that.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't really need it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're like I can be physically healthy, fit, and strong and fast and agile with different training approaches.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I started to deep dive into what else is out there rather than the competitive, rather than the you know, like the maxing out and lifting more and like trying to like oh like competitive, like, oh you can do that.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see if I can beat you, you know, like that kind of just slowly evaporated.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the feeling of like just understanding that your body's giving you some signals.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Can you read them?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Or are you just masking them to you know just to kind of like just chase something, which is for me back then was super important, but for me at that point, like I just realized that it's it's not really important.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I just know how to do that, and I'm good at that, and that's when I'm doing it, you know.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's such a fascinating pivot from the from the strength side to to focusing more on it being a bit more functional, not chasing the numbers.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like going from a bit of it's just focusing on quantity to going more to quality and like you say, understanding exactly what your body needs and like what you're trying to achieve from your training.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: I guess when we talk about like listening to your body, sometimes for someone that might have been in your spot when you were, you know, 22, when let's say you were just training through it and your response to pain was more training.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: How would you the response was you're a pussy train more?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right, really.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: So toxic.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh come on, like you like you're you're hurting?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: You're hurt, everyone's hurting.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what can you do to make sure that you know, like you kind of like mask that pain and just you know, you got six weeks until this comp, like you can't stop, like you need to go, like you got that target.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Coggin's mindset, coggin's mindset, straight up, and then there's benefits to it, right?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's it gets you to a certain way to go.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: But how how would you kind of what would you give to someone that isn't aware of the listening to their own body or doesn't really know what it means?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what's a kind of simple practice to doing it, to opening that door to actually listen to it in the right ways?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: I guess uh getting yourself a mentor and actually, you know, like trusting someone to lead you to a deeper goal rather than achieving something which might be momentarily goal, you know.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that would be the the most important one, you know.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: But then you can always do a body practice to kind of, you know, to get uh kind of aligned in your body and like feel like, oh how does my mind feel?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: How does my neck feel?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: How does my spine feel?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: How does my ankles feel and so on, you know, like step and do that every day.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then if something kind of reoccurs all the time, you know, like kind of tells you, lets you know about then probably you need to deal with that.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: And also understanding I guess it's it's also that it's not the norm to be in pain the whole time.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Zero.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like you could feel it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: You could feel it and I've I've been through like very similar cycles that my mind is stronger than my body and I can push through it.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: But it's understanding that like you you shouldn't be having these aches and pains.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of consistent yeah and there's a lot of people saying that no that's just how it should feel like oh you know you just you're just gonna have aches and pains which for a lot of training like is true.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Training is yes comes with it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: You are putting stress in your body right so and if you want to something to change like you need to stress that place.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Inflammatory and that's how we kind of respond to them becoming stronger 100% yes there's difference difference between uh a pain of muscular pain and training pain and like you know chronic which you kind of start living with and then like later on you kind of forget about it and it becomes like just subconscious of like oh that's how I always felt and you know like I will live with that.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I get that all the time.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: I get that all the time what's the most kind of extreme example you've had of maybe someone that really is in chronic pain but is very accepting of it?
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh addicts okay I've had a lot of people with addictions come to me and they kind of like they live in this in this uh in this lifestyle or this mindset of like I need to lean into more pain to feel better.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know and like those are yes I feel sorry for those people just for the simple fact that like they sometimes don't really know how to get out of that because they're so used to that sensation and something really big needs to happen in their life for them to shift that perception of like oh actually like that chemical response I'm getting that needs to be changed and that's a really painful one to kind of go through you know because it's not it's not physical it's not like it's not uh it's okay it's probably is emotional like psychological but most of it's chemical and the chemical ones are like really hard ones to kind of shift because you become addicted sugar let's call that sugar you know pastries yeah you know we love them we love them yeah what's what do you mean by by chemical uh what does that mean in compared to just an emotional pain what how how would that how would that manifest what would the chemical pain be like the chemical pain is something but kind of like you don't really feel uh the need of uh or the pain signal in your body but it's like this urge of like I want to feel this certain way you know like it's this urge of like oh I like the high sensation and I want to keep chasing that you know like when you go out for a run you get high you get chemically kind of uh present you know you get that in and that's a that's a runner's high and it's a great sensation but you know but some people kind of uh rely on other substances to get that and then whenever you become addicted like the the simple kind of uh formula to that is to feel the same way you need to get more of it right and that's the loop loop I'm kind of talking about yeah that's the one like I think as you as you kind of question me that like that's the hardest one I can see and you need and you need I assume you need like a circuit breaker right to get out of that loop of more and more and is you know do you find that focusing on the physical is a really good way to direct yourself away from that kind of chemical pain and that process of being in a loop like focusing on listening to your body like slowing down like you say a practice of just feeling how it is and making a bit more space you know do you find that that's a really good route to I think I think it's a great route because uh our like you know our body is so responsive to whatever we do on daily basis and uh if we do not move our body on daily basis and then we kind of uh rely on external things to motivate us rather than like as a baby gets motivated by reaching something and he learns new skills kind of like you know to to develop a new pattern of movement if we carry on exploring different ways of moving on daily basis or we challenge ourselves with different movement patterns I think we can uh live a really good healthy lifestyle I like that you like that yeah I like that as well that's I think what I kind of try to uh bring to my practice more is like there are so many things we can do and we think we know it all but we really we really don't like I love people when they come to me and I see to them you know like they've their days been going like ridiculously heavy they've been sat by the desk all day they've been replying to emails and you know they've been replying to phone calls and like people demand from them I'm like oh my guys we're in nature take shoes off let's just roll on the grass yeah but it's it play just a different practice completely just taking them away from the reality they've kind of had throughout the day let them just be present and let's just let's just do something so you move yeah you know you it just makes such a shift of your day and your reality that you're sometimes you're like oh actually I really needed that just not to focus on you know like I need to do this same pattern over and over again I need to be good at that but actually I just need to feel my body and just move in a in a completely completely natural way of allowing my body to move rather than actually even me telling you what to do just like that's the task go from there to there I'll put some distractions in your way and just get to the end.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's it find your own way around it.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think those sessions definitely some of the best ones for our clients I think you know the way we coach you is obviously like slightly different sometimes we're a bit more strict with kind of tracking stuff than the iPad but I've also had plenty of sessions where clients have turned up they've had a really stressful week really stressful day something's happened with work I'm like all right put your phone to the side we're not gonna do anything with iPad and we're just gonna do some movement and just see how your body feels and do do fun stuff which like still gonna challenge you you're still gonna feel like you worked out but equally you know there's no pressure on tracking we're just taking the pressure away because you've already got enough of that that's kind of pushed you to this point in the week so I think yeah it's for me as a coach I think they're they're the most rewarding ones so I know for you that that can be yeah I think you've seen me do um make people like do a lot of crazy weird things it's great it's great I love it oh yeah yeah um and tell us about so obviously you moved here from Latvia when you were 17 tell us about kind of how how that was for you and with like your family as well you know was that a difficult thing for you to do leaving your family like what what kind of went down then I guess I guess the biggest thing was to try to integrate like at that point I felt like I needed to integrate into this culture and the integration into this culture was such as like let's say Latvia is a village that so is Latvia is such a small country like it's less than two million people now right uh it's probably as big as maybe two thirds of England in like in land all flat we have no mountains the biggest biggest hill we have the biggest hill we have is like 300 meters and that's it like just one thing so completely flat my town is third largest town in Latvia and it's 6000 people so Latvia's tiny so then imagine me coming first time like coming into London and I'm like wow so many different cultures so many different things you know like everything like everything goes we're back in Latvia like I knew everything about Latvian culture we got a lot of traditions we sing we dance we laugh like we're all like really open you know like there's not much judgmental like that no one's really judging you just do your thing a lot of sports I know don't I know how to compete you know I know how to be like super um like like my leadership was like I was always taking a team and I'll just kind of lead them here and I came here and I'm like oh wow like this there's this I'm like I'm like a a drop of something I'm not really like who I was in Latvia.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So then it kind of made me be like okay well I got my strength I got my athleticism let me push into that and let me kind of you know show people who I am and like that was like a point of leaning like at age of 17 18 when I did my uh I went to college in uh in Hastings and I did my level two fitness in like I can't remember what it was called but it was something to do with sports sports science level two B tech I think I think that's what it was I finished that and um I straight going went into the gym at 18 and I they took me on as an apprentice and I was coaching people at 18 I was coaching like these 35 40 year old men like a lot of drug dealers I can call you that like you know all different people you could see that they were up to no good but they completely gave all my all their trust to me to push them to kind of you know to get bigger and stronger and so on.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I never said how old I was because I knew if I would say to them like I'm 18 they'll be like oh who's this little score scorny kid but I had a bolt head then and I was always wearing a tank top so people impossible past is 45.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah yeah yeah stellar in Ryan yeah so like like that transition was like I just leaned into what I'm strong at and I tried to get into the culture in that way through the gym through strongman through weightlifting and I can tell like you know the shout out to Zeus Gym like uh there was this owner Sue Kennedy and uh Terry Terry was there as well the chef and they kind of like took me under their their you know like their hood and they just allowed me to express myself whichever way I wanted that was a good little little place for me to be I think that's I think that's so important the the environment the culture to be kind of like uplifting and to allow you to to kind of flourish and do what you want.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah 100% I I thought you were going to go the the opposite way and say you know as soon as you come to the UK you go you know into the city and everyone's kind of putting each other down or you know very critical.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh there was that there was that like I can tell you that I we had our Latvian community and I was really bond with them guys as well like we had I don't know we had like maybe 10 guys all from my town so one of us came and then a few more came a few more came a few more came and we had like our community so I was never feeling lonely or you know by ours myself and so on.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: But because we were like 18 20 25 we needed to show that you know like we're here and no one's gonna mess around with us so we were a little bit up to no trouble I can tell you that but I think it's like that's how we were raised like we needed to kind of like show our presence doesn't know so no one kind of pushes us around and tells like oh no like you're for foreigners you're gonna you're gonna stay in that corner and you're gonna let us do our things.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: So but I had communities from both sides and yeah I was very blessed for that.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: It helped me at the beginning.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I love that and obviously now you've got two boys got two boys yeah how in terms of kind of like because I know both of them do sport right oh they're yeah so into sports and I remember you I remember you telling me about kind of helping them with like visualizing stuff before they run or you know do you whatever I can't remember it was it was one of your boys on sports day wasn't it and you're doing like oh he was meditating before the sport made me so proud yes he was there before the race like into a lotus position eyes closed and you can see him trying to look up somewhere like visualizing the way he's gonna run and he smashed it he won it I was so happy it was like well there we go yeah exactly and I was gonna say like with kind of the practices that you do are they quite interested in that as well like in that kind of side of it or did you kind of like drill it into them or was it just something that kind of naturally fell uh I think um obviously they see me do things and kids are like sponges whatever you do they will kind of do as well right and I do see them like playing around I've had like phases of doing dance things I had phases doing a lot of mobility I've had phases doing martial arts and whatnot and they kind of copy you which is like really nice uh but I do give them all specific different questions different questions and I really want to understand like do they think for themselves or do they expect me to think for them to kind of make decisions and if I feel like they're leaning on me helping them I'll help them but I really try to kind of navigate them to like give me give me what you feel like you want to do rather than me making you a sportsman you know like I think you could become yeah and I do not take that you know mindset out but I do want them to be something more than just sportsmen.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah right and they have that mindset of they want to be sportsmen.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah but I know that there's much more behind that you know yeah yeah yeah I think it's such a fantastic thing just to to like cultivate that curiosity and to cultivate like independence of thinking um it's probably something that's lacking now with AI chat GPT people have gone full kind of like trying to get answers without thinking I can't I can't even imagine like just you know you try you're trying to get answers from something but it's not going to allow you to to have that like exploration.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: Again you kind of talk about like at the start it's it's more of a exploring the movement but then it's also exploring like yourself and what really makes you click.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: I had a similar one with my my dad used to whenever we'd ask him a question like where is something in the house or um a question that he thought we could you know is worth us working out for ourselves he would always like give us 40 seconds to figure it out and more like more often than not it would take about five or ten seconds and all you need is just like that tiny bit of pause to not always rely on someone else for you know information all the time.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah I mean in the same way that you said like if if they need the answer or the advice then you'd it's there'd give it to them of course it's there.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah you're not gonna just leave like on their own completely.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: No no no but you need to remind remind yourself they're still children.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah right yeah they can't make decisions for themselves like yeah that's why we are called parents and we parent them to for them to become adults you know yeah yeah but we don't want to make it all comfortable for them we do we don't we don't want to make we don't want to give cushions all around their world and be like oh the world is perfect you know and it's all just you know like pink and green and blue and so on.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: No world is is harsh and you need to understand that you know like there's all these that like you know spectrums of emotions and they need to live them like they need to understand them.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can't I can't just be like oh no no no be careful don't fall there like if you're reckless fall there.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hope that you understand why you fell so you don't do that again you know so like yeah you can't keep them safe all the time like yeah you need you need them to experience the world and life in their own way right yeah because yeah they will live their life 100% yeah and and does it seem to evolve your like parenting style does it seem to evolve alongside what you're learning in your own training and coaching as well like as you as in in the sense that as you learn more like you're got you go through different cycles of learning things in in your coaching a different like philosophy let's say moving from more very physically capable and standing up for yourself then through to more of a you know listening to your body movement let's say more of a hard to a soft I think I get it yes I think uh the the the question for that is I try to I try to meet people where they are right I try to meet people where they are because even for you guys like you have your experience of training and you know being coached by you know like all different coaches and so on and you will not coach your clients the way your coach coaches you because you have so much knowledge and you know like you need you need the completely different coaching than let's say I don't know like you know Darren who comes in first time you know it's gonna go down now you know who comes in and he's like he's never been trained before like you will you will talk to him in a different way you will give him different drills you will give him the awareness of like you know like oh actually Darren like these are these are like normal movement patterns you kind of need to learn and uh well let's learn how to walk first I have a lot of clients who I need to teach how to walk you know what do they get wrong what's what's the main things that you see that because we all walk yeah we all walk yes right it's like the same thing as like we all breathe exactly well that's that's an even bigger one yes I a lot of times I need to teach people uh or give them the awareness of how they breathe rather than teach them how to breathe I give them the awareness of how they breathe so then they can be a bit more mindful of oh actually maybe that's what's causing me stress in my life like I don't really breathe but I just do this.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: Shoulders up so like with the with the walk with the walking.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: How do you walk yes well obviously like if you look at a person and if you see their head wobble around when they walk like you kind of are aware that okay maybe they don't have like great enough structure into their neck right like they maybe don't have like their vestibular system is not like kind of calibrated to be aware to where they are in space.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's one let's see if a person kind of goes left and right as they walk right like you're like oh oh you probably don't have hips and you don't really use your hips when you walk you're just leaning onto your back to kind of use your back as your hips.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: You see a person doing this which I see a lot of the time when they turn their legs like this and duck walk and I'm like oh shit you don't really have anything to do with your legs you do just shifting your kind of limbs up and down.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: So then we just sit down and be like okay let me kind of break this down to you and let me actually teach you how you can do the best exercise there is walking a bit more efficient.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know and that goes a long way sometimes you know because as I think you know from science like the best exercise is a slow state cardio for any health any health there is and imagine if a person is walking and they don't feel safe in their body they're under tension all the time and they're actually walking like not that it's gonna cause them problems but they don't really get the benefits of how if they would do it with ease you know it's so fascinating because it's it's such a even those sort of things are so they're not even overlooked.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: They're just not even looked at yeah it's not even something that's on the radar like walking like I didn't think today we'd be talking about you know how to walk as it's not even on it's it's not I have some some sometimes it's so funny when I could just take a take on a client and I'll be like he's like oh yeah like you know I I lift 160 kilo deadlift I bench press this and that I was like great well let's go up the hill and let's see how long you can last until your back starts hurting.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know and then I'll like oh well you're probably just kind of spilling out so much energy by trying to just compensate through your low back all the time that actually you're not really giving any benefit to yourself by doing that particular training, but you're actually just putting more tax on your system, which then just requires you to rest more to recover so then you can do it again.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: Where if we're gonna fix that, your your lifting's gonna become better and you'll just feel so much more in tune with your body.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: And like it takes a bit For someone who has been conditioned to do this one specific training like training style for 10 years to then be like actually like let me shift that because it's hard because you don't you think that you kind of like you're great at that but to change that up like sometimes it kind of it needs to kill your ego, I guess.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's the right thing, right?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: To be like, oh actually, like what I was doing, it's not that it was bad, but it was harming my system more than it was actually giving good to my system.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that's that's the hardest realization with the ego, is that if you're you don't even know it, but you could think if you have like that realization of I've been walking like this, I've been doing this thing, it's that's been making it worse for so long, you almost have that kind of that frustration, even though you can't do anything about it, and you didn't really have the knowledge, like that and especially something so simple, you have that frustration of like, well, I've been doing this for years, like why why didn't it happen sooner?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why didn't I learn it you know sooner?
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the times it's people people realize that's when something bad happens.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's when people most of the things, right?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like most of most of the things, like it just gives us that little bit of clarity.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, whoa, oh actually, like I'm in pieces now, or you know, like something's going wrong.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I need to change it, you know.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it was like that that was my story, like when I did my weightlifting, like I thought that I'm going so great, like everything was going up, lifts are going up, lift, like you know, everything was going the right way until something just went, you know, and like in that pain is just like constantly was there, you know.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like I still can I know where it is, like subconsciously it's still there, like the awareness of like my shoulder not being as stable, but it's more stable than the other one now.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like that thought is back there all the time.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: But it I I wouldn't change if something like that would happen wouldn't happen, you know.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would probably carry on, you know, until something else would happen.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful that uh that that was my sign and I uh I listened to it.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's yeah, it's so fascinating because I have I share the same similar experience and I I find it so interesting.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to work this out, and I just don't I I'm looking for the answer, which probably isn't there, which is that like, do you need to get to that level of bad?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: We talked about it with Mark Gowlard in the previous episode, one of the gym members here, and you know, he got to a point where uh he just wasn't happy with how he looked and he wasn't happy with his lifestyle, and that's that catalyst for change.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_03: Is there anything that we can do to make sure we don't get that bad before we before we change?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like before we like do we need to get to a certain level of pain?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Is it necessary?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: I really hope that nuts.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, I really hope that nuts, but I think we just need to uh kind of keep the narrative of what like a healthy body is, how you feel in a healthy body, and how you maintain health in your body.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think that would be a starting point.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Where like, you know, we look in uh let's say we look at the social media, and the first thing for us to kind of see someone being, you know, like ripped and sipping like you know, like coconut water and barley, like we think that that's health, you know, like that's a narrative we've been kind of fed with, you know.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: Not re it's not really.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think a healthy person, you know, in my perspective, is uh a person who has a great community around them, number one, who uh demands plenty from their body on daily basis without the feeling of like, oh, I feel fucked after that, and I need to like you know, go on a vacation to feel better, right?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then a person who understands or knows like where their nutrition comes from.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_00: That could be probably one, and then spend more time in nature.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be another one because nature balances everything out to give you something, yeah, 100%.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I was I was thinking, you know, how much and and for someone that that might be quite a lot, what would be a base level, let's say a base level understanding of nutrition, or something if you don't have a really great community, like what's something that someone can do regardless of their circumstance to just enter into that that kind of view changing the narrative of what a healthy body and a healthy life is?
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Three tips.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Three tips.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Three tips you'd give to someone.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would say number one, as I said at the beginning, uh think of uh a role model of yours or a guru if you want to call and actually question them or if you can, or you know, like understand why they're doing it and understand their motivation behind it.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like I would say social media influencers' main motivation is making money and becoming famous.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: That is definitely a person you don't really want to look up to because they're doing it probably for the wrong reasons, right?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like my role model as a kid was Bruce Lee, and I thought that I'm gonna be like him when I grow up.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm not sure if I'm there, but I'm still young.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm still young, exactly.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: That that would be number one.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Number two is um try to stay away from the middle aisles in supermarkets as much as you can, because we don't need to put any more chemicals in our body, like uh the lives we live are already like full of chemicals as they are.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Let's try to stay away from that.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you can have uh natural uh if you can grow your own foods, like that would be the best thing ever, because then you can put your hands in your soil and it's great for your nervous system.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can nurture your food, you can sing your food lullabies if you want, and you know that you're giving yourself good vibrations in other words.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: And that that could be another one, just knowing where your food comes from.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, actually knowing where your food comes from, yes, and uh understanding of how much food you need, not to use food as uh fuel to kind of like have a lot, but actually use the food for its own purpose, right?
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: To actually just recover your body rather than store.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like we eat too much when we are stressed, and then we just this is uh from such an old, like you know, thousand, ten thousand, fifty thousand years ago when we just didn't have enough food and we just ate as much as we could because we didn't know what's gonna happen tomorrow.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: We don't live in a world like that.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like food's gonna every day you're gonna have food, so you don't need to eat that much, just eat as much as you need.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be another one.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: And three is learn a body practice you can do every day and do it every day in the morning, like unconditionally, like every day, like without without an excuse, and you'll live a healthy life, I think.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: What's your favorite body practice at the moment?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: My favorite body practice probably is to wake up and uh give myself a big stretch, like a cat.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I love my cars, as you know, guys, so a lot of controlled articular rotations is the big one.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of make your joints lubricated every day.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like that.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: How long do you do that for?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Ah well, when you become when you become good at it, like I have this uh one client, his name is Bill.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: I've been training him for more than 10 years, five days a week.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: He goes through cars every morning and we do it together, so it takes us five minutes.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: Legend.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: And that's and and that is yeah, yeah, capital C A R.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: See, controlled articular rotations.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I mean you could probably go onto YouTube.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can go on YouTube and you can uh go through the routine with someone who's gonna give you some good uh good tips of how to perform them, yeah.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I remember us us doing it in the summer, and it was it's so it's so new to me, you know, that that sort of mobility side of things.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I think that's one part of all the training.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's it's great, but it's I don't think that it's like it, I don't think that's for like everyone every day, every all throughout their whole life.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much more, right?
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: We haven't even talked about let's say fascia and so on.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's like a completely different topic, right?
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's like your body, your body's fascia kind of holds everything together, and like if you can move your body in like all different ways, like it's probably as beneficial as cars, or even more, you know.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: But cars is a great entry level to understand how your body moves, I think, to kind of give yourself the awareness of like how much joint space I have in between every joint.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: So true, so true.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: Talk to us about fascia briefly, then um it's it's a it's a popular word in especially on a lot of algorithms that I'll see.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_03: If you give a brief overview of what you kind of alluded to what fascia is and what is its importance in movement and training.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think uh I'm not a great expert of it.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like fascia, I think I've trained like by understanding fascia for a long period of time, but I've never been coached by it.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Anatomy Trains was one of the first books I read when I was like 17, 18, and it's all like through the body meridians, you know, like how your body kind of structurizes it, not in bones, like not in skeletal system, but actually through like meridian lines.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like greatly like impressed of like, oh, actually, like everything is like spiral in your body, right?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: Even your heart is not a heart, it's a spiral just kind of like wrapped around itself.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like when you dissect uh heart, but you unwrap it, it's like this long lever which actually just goes into one.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: So like everything in our body is spiral, you know, like in fascia terms, like fascia connects your entire body.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a web of tissues, and all those tissues are full of liquids, you know, and those liquids are kind of like a gateway of your nervous system to send information through quickly.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh if your fascia is tight, which a lot of people like refer to like knots in your body, like that part of your uh body has a limitation of the fluids moving in and out.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: So if you untighten that fascia, then your body kind of gets better signals to like what's actually happening in your body or your vessel, you want to call it, right?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: So fascia for me is a big one, and I'm deep diving into it like as we speak.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: I've spoken to a lot of people about it, and uh I would say that uh fascia, like as I'll give you a big statement.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think fascia is one of our big brains, which actually gives us most of our movement.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: The brain is the end center for a nervous system, but fascia is actually the one which like holds everything together, which kind of determines of how well you're gonna move.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: And how do you how would you would you need to train differently to optimize or keep in mind you know the role of fascia, or is it something that comes just as a we have like our normal, like regular, let's say focusing on you know strength training or movement, is there anything you need to do differently?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think if we train in a linear manner, when we think of this and this, and uh anything to do in like two dimensions, we tighten our fascia in specific ways, yes, and if you do that repetitively, on and on and on and on, like your body remembers that those are the patterns which you kind of favor, and then you tighten your fascia 100%, so more of a way of let's say running, moving, lifting, crawling, you name it, you know, like moving in different spirals, even breathing like three-dimensionally and expansively is a big one for fascia.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if you can do that, it will benefit you.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: But if you train in two dimensions, yes, you will tighten your fascia in certain angles, and uh it will be detrimental for your for your body in the long term.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen too many people who uh live a life of uh a bodybuilder or a weightlifter or a gym goer later on in life being able to sprint well.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: Let's call it that.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen uh like a really good one?
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: Was uh have you seen the podcast where Andrew Hubberman uh did the running with the running coach?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and did you understand his running gates?
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, come on, man.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was really good.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like he doesn't know how to run, yeah, but he trains all the time and he's this guru of fitness.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: And like, is it really giving him benefits to his body or is he limiting him to like us being a good gym goer or so on, you know?
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: So like that's a that's kind of a yeah, the human one's funny.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking we we always we always reference Chris Bumstead, yeah.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: He's he's making that pivot.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, of course, yeah.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's more, you know, it is it enough to say, would I be oversimplifying it by saying that if you can train in all three kind of planes of movement, if you were to just focus on training in the three different planes?
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: For athletes, yes.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: For a general person, they first need to learn how to walk properly.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: Let's leave it, let's leave it to that.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, for the ground up, yeah.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because look, look, we've been sitting now probably for an hour or so, right?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like I say to most of my clients, like you've been sitting for 30 minutes, you get up and you do something, you know, just walk strenuous exercise, just to make sure that your body doesn't become too comfortable in this position, right?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think people sit like that for six, eight hours a day, and then we as coaches expect them to come to the gym and then uh do like strenuous lifting, like their bodies are just molded to this, so like they will probably be restricted in some sort of a movement, so there's no point for us to kind of give them too much load because tomorrow they'll go to work and they'll just sit back into this.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can feel the fascia getting tight now.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: I uh it's very common with clients that work at desk jobs.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: You get them and they come in and they've got pronated shoulders.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: You see, you can just see by the hands on the side, the hands around the front, they're supposed to be down by side, and they're always standing like that, super tight round the chest.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Their T-spine is really tight, they can't kind of do a proper T-spine rotation, you know, the other arm's lifting if they're on the floor.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's yeah, it's important that they can't no, but as you said, like it's great if we can give people more movement, like more movement, yes, like allow them to explore what they can and what they can't, and just give them the awareness of oh, like do I want my T-spine to do that or not?
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: And give them stuff that they can do outside of the gym as well.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's a big one.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know, like as we said, like they come and see us for one hour a day, right?
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe sometimes twice a week.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's great.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_00: But then uh are we just taking them in and taking their money and like making them feel good for the hour, or actually are we kind of giving them tools and teaching them how to live a healthier lifestyle?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: And if we are, then they will take it home and then they will repeat the drills and things, you know, by themselves as well.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the clients that get the best results, the ones that put in the extra work outside, you know, they don't just come it's like yeah, with with anything you kind of go for like a like an MOT, you know, if even if people are getting kind of bodywork done and you get like getting myofascial release, but you've got to do stuff to kind of maintain that because you can't just do that, you know, once a year and think, okay, cool, I'm gonna be absolutely fine.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: You need to do the other kind of mobility routines and stuff just to support your joints and stop you from getting tweaked.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: Crunched up, yeah.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like it's only gonna get worse with with the kind of jobs, or maybe it's gonna get better.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if like AI takes over the computer.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_00: AI people might get a little bit more movie.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, which needs to rem remind people that they're in charge of their bodies.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's not us, it's them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_00: And they need to maintain, you know, what they have and build on what they can have rather than rather than lose it all.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fool in love with the biggest thing.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Don't use it, you do you know, like what they say, it's like you don't use it, you lose it.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's the the way that's the phrase, you know.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_03: And does and does this apply equally through all generations?
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_03: Would you say?
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like like you say, it's a lifestyle.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: Is it there is there anything that different age groups should be moving differently, anything that they should be like prioritizing?
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: Or is it keep it keep it super simple?
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh, it depends on yeah, what age you can probably pick up support on, you know.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it would be great if we if the government would decide to actually teach parents how to teach their children to move.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_00: It would be amazing.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think we would alleviate a lot of problems what we have right now, because let's say a new parent kind of has like you know, they're raising a child and they don't really know the expectation of like, you know, like, oh, how can I make my child more engaged in playing, you know, with me, you know, like let's say a toddler even rolling around or you know, or reaching to things, or you know, like squatting down and playing in a squat position.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if we don't teach that to the child, like later on in life, like you will see that by you know, like their bone structure, kind of like molding to having this, right?
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: But then uh, you know, like younger people obviously they're much more resilient because their hormones are working like over time.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: I remember myself as like a 21-year-old, I really didn't need sleep for a week and I could carry on doing what I needed to do, you know.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was a completely different than now.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm uh I can say that like you know, I probably are much more sensitive to having like uh good night's sleep.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_00: I can go with not sleeping, but I can't do that for two days in a row.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_00: Let's call that, you know.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so probably that we've got that.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: So probably, so probably, yes, it is important, you know, like in age brackets and uh women and men is completely different as well.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: Probably you've seen that with your clients, right, Charlotte?
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like women will not want too much of like upper body work dominant, like they will much rather, you know, like have different areas to work.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly that.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: How do you how do you I don't want to look like a man?
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: What's your response on that?
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not going to look bulky, good luck, Deborah.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: So trust me, it takes a long time.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine, right?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like just just to teach just to teach a woman that to build muscle, yeah, if if it only would be that easy, right?
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but yeah, so trust trust me, if only it was that easy.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I also I do stress the importance that you know you should do some upper body work because you do need to have a stronger upper as well, you need stuff to be balanced, um, because a lot of issues kind of with posture and stuff can come from having uh like weak points in your upper body.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and if you're old as well, when you get older, if you have a fall, you need to be strong all over to help yourself to get back up again.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it is important to have that.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I always say, you know, I promise I'm not gonna turn you into a bodybuilder, and uh it also will take a long time to get to that point anyway.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and if it does happen super quick, then buddy, congratulations!
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, your genetics are fantastic.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well then give some of them to me.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: We need to check in them and see what the secret formula is.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: You might sell that.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us how you did it.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: Liquid gold, liquid gold, make serious money out of it.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, Casper, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_03: I love the yeah, the fresh perspective, and it's the reminder of like the simple things, exactly and questioning, like having agency, questioning the things that we put into our body, what we consume, how we move, um, and all the rest of it.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, look, guys, uh the lovely weather is coming, and then hopefully we're gonna have much more outdoor sessions down at the barn gym.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_03: So, well, we're gonna move this podcast outside at some point, and then we're gonna have comfier chairs.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we're going for.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's the next upgrade.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, boy.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: Where can people kind of find you?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: I know you're on you know active on Instagram.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, if they want to get in touch with more your style of training, personal training, and then what have you got in the future?
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, I am here throughout the week at Barn Gym.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: You can always find me here if you look for me.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you can probably look find me somewhere in nature if you're explorative.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: But uh no, I guess like Instagram will be the best one.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's called Maximo's Workouts.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh got a websites called Maximo's Workouts, and um and uh yeah, I think those are the main ones.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: I do work in Hastings and I got a couple of gyms down there, and as I said, when the summer is uh next, like you know, just by the course.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like you will see me doing a lot of outdoor stuff, so you can probably join some of our classes.
• 1:06:05
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if you are a Banjim member, he's got his business cards here, so you can always pinch one from the window.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Fantastic.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Casper, thank you very much.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much, guys.