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EP 68: The Future of Peptides: FDA Changes, Safety & What’s Coming Next | Trevor Kruder | · The Loop Podcast: Peptides, Longevity & Women’s Wellness

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Loop Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Throughout the show, I'll be sharing my own story and personal wellness tools and hacks that have worked for me and my guests will share what's worked for them.
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• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: We'll be exploring mostly peptide-related therapies and other emerging health tools.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: But remember, everyone's health needs are different, and what works for one person may not be right for another.
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• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for being here and let's keep learning and growing together.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Luke Podcast, where we dive deep into all things health, wellness, and fitness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Plus the fascinating world of peptides.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Each episode, we bring you insights from experts and guests from across the industry to help you optimize your health and longevity.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Steph.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's jump in.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, we're gonna get into where you've been.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that Trevor Kruder's back here with us, you guys, one of my favorite people.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a big reason why I'm in this peptide world and loop, he's part of Loop, and he's taught me so much, and I just admire him, I think, mostly as a human and his heart, and we're gonna catch up, and you guys are gonna get to listen to our catch up because I've not seen you, I think, since December.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's been way too long.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I and it's so funny because you it you guys do a really good job of reaching out, like, hey, when are you in town next?
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, I don't know.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Please tell me when I'm in town next.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think too, I had a new number.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so it wasn't okay, so it was a little weird because I'm like, she doesn't respond as much.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: Does she hate me?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, and it's interesting, you were responding to me, and I wasn't thinking, I was like, that's so weird.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's not like Trevor.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then I realized I was like, oh my god, he is and my texts are not, this is Stephanie.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, exactly.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: So you're probably like, who the hell is asking me a pet side question?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly what it was.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: And you know what's funny is even to this day, it happened this week.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_03: You think I I when I changed my phone, I sometimes I just go, okay, when I changed my phone when I left uh the last industry I was in, the you know, the if you have a phone number and it's linked to uh an old email, yeah, it would save all my contacts under the email account, not on my phone.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: I like you need to switch it.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I didn't realize this.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: So I had eight years of my life that was all saved on their email address so it was deleted because I deleted it off my phone.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: So I lost eight years of contacts.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: So you got all these people that are hitting you up going, hey, what's up?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, Oh fuck, I know this person.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: And the text will load in.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: But you have to go back, I'm like, okay, I've known this person for like.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, now I just go, Who the fuck is this?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my whole thing was like, I mean, I'm not gonna get into my Instagram hell because no one wants to hear about this, but when it when it first went down, I thought, well, I'm just gonna text everybody in my address book.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: It like sent it to this like weird, okay, this is spam, so they shut your iMessage down.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: My buddy had this happen to him too.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: They he had to go into iPhone and prove that he is him because they thought he got hacked and they a bot went in and did it.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's been a nightmare.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then literally, out of the they they're like, okay, it's fine.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then out of the blue, six months later, I did nothing.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: No mass checks, it shuts it down.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: And Apple's like, sorry.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're not, yeah, you're my 808 Hawaiian number, which I've had forever, guys.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: If anyone listens to this, then you know I'm ignoring you.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: I just had to like have a bat phone that's that phone.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, for sure.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_03: And my my buddy Jason hit me up.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, dude, I really need to talk to you.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: But then I'm like, okay, what's wrong with it?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: I know this person really well.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, you don't put the it's hard to figure out pinpoint what it is.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_03: I go, all right, who the fuck is this?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, it's Jason Brooks' husband.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I go, you don't have to say it's Jason Brooks.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: I know who you are.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right now that you said it, because I can now it's like correlating the text messages.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, ah, and you know, and you know, he's been going through some hell with uh you know some of her stuff, and he's trying to get her all fixed up.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: So we had a good conversation, caught up with him, which was great, but I still get him, and it's been years.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I know you're gonna be going through this, no joke, for at least five years.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then people are like, I where have you been?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, then you kind of know who your friends really are, because if they're really worried about you, they end up figuring out where the hell you are.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, they text a friend, they you know I you know, this is the thing I I love about friendship.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's if you're truly friends, you it's hard with life, kids like Brooke and uh and Jason, they they moved out of the normal town to he owns two businesses.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they have there's some health things going on.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, he they got multiple kids, you know, they they live a different life, right?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: But when you talk to each other, you can pick up right where you were left off.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: Then you know it's like, but you know, but that's the thing.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you if you go like you know when someone's like, hey, what's up, dude?
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_03: What's you're okay now?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're too cool.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, too.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so let's start.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: What where have you been?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: What are you up to?
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I really, because I know that you're like doing this like mass PR thing, which is amazing, talking about what's going on with the FDA.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I would love since I get you here, why don't we let my listeners know get an inside scoop of what you're telling America about?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so yeah, so I was so they know nothing.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so I the last month and kind of even the next three weeks has been really busy because of the FDA hearings, which was uh a lot of people think, oh well now all these things are FDA approved.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't they were not even close there, and even when this thing goes through, none of these products, the BPC TV 500, the ones that got the the six that did pass, like hey, we're suggesting these for you from the panel, which is the PCAC, which is which I love the name.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: I love it too.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but they they basically are making a suggestion to the FDA for compounding, yeah, legal compounding through 503A's.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: 503 is a whole nother hearing, by the way.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: And the second half of this hearing doesn't even happen until February of next year.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: So we only did seven of the 13.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: The rest, like I said, are next year.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I was called as an expert witness from the manufacturing side because I own half a dozen 503A's and Bs, and then I have half a dozen drug manufacturing sites.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: So they had me go on to Good Day DC, the day of the hearings, the first hearings.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Then I did Good Day New York, the second day of the hearings, to go over the first day of the hearings and what was happening the second day, and then I did Good Day LA for what happened for the first two days of the hearings, and then I got Access Hollywood in like a week and a half, and then I have Dr.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: Drew's podcast, and then I have CNN, um, a bunch of other stuff too.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, so it's it's just going over what's going on.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: And in in in short, this is what happens.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: So in three years ago, during the Biden administration, for no reason whatsoever, 22 peptides were yanked off of the accepted compounding list, schedule one, and moved to dangerous category two for no reason.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Which is illegal.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: What is legal?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's the government.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: They are they they they define legal, right?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: So the only way you can get it defined as that was illegal is you got to take it to the Supreme Court, right?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Now, no one's doing that.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: But yes, what they did was unconstitutional, it shouldn't have been done.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: There was nothing wrong with these products, and there was there wasn't like there was deaths or injuries or anything, side effects, nothing.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_03: They were yanked off because somebody got paid to yank these off.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: So they got yanked off and moved to category two.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: So then, fast forward years later, after um, you know, Kendi comes in, he's got priorities.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Peptides are in there, but they're not the number one.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: He worked on food, vaccines, things that are yeah, more important than the masses, in my opinion.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: He should have been doing those first.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and he got to peptide.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: I remember I re I wrote a like 45-page safety report for the um, I gave it to you know the Mahaw people.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: I also gave it to the American Peptide Association, which you know our attorneys for my my team writes a lot of stuff for the APA.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: They share that attorney, yeah.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: One of your attorneys.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, one of them.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: So one of your many.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: One of them, yeah.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_03: I it's uh sad.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: I go, I have more attorneys than I have doctors, which is not technically true.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want you to have any doctors.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: I have a lot, I have a lot of attorneys too.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: But the the we all those safety reports and everything on what's what should be like the priority list from top to bottom, like what's number one priority down, uh, was done in October.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then they finally came to these are the 13 that we're gonna actually present to the FDA to be approved and move from category two to category one.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: So what happens is now Kennedy gets to pick the the board, the the group, and you bring in experts from the field.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: So you bring in doctors, compounders, uh scientist, biochemist, whatever it is, these people that are understand what these products are, and they go on and they go through all the data on each one of these items.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: I read the safety reports and the report on they're 56, 60 pages long each item.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it goes into, you know, have we heard anything?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: All this stuff.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so it's a long, they they're very similar.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_03: You read one, you kind of read them all essentially.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: And from there, they go, Hi, FDA, this is why we think these should be moved from two to one back to allowable for for compounding.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully they haven't been paid off either.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well, this is a funny part.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a handful of members that were selected by Kennedy that have something to gain.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_03: They own compounding facilities, so there is a profit to them to have it moved over.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: So then the 24 hours before the hearings even went up, six people were moved onto the board that were from the FDA.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh gosh.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: All six of those members voted against every single one of them immediately.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: And the FDA pushed back on every every single product, even though they were six, six of the seven were suggested.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: They eliminated DCP because they said they said there was already other products on the market that were better for for it that you wouldn't need.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: And you had epithlon, DCIP where they were kind of competing for the same category.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: I prefer epithlon, make it through personally.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so but they did move the vote, went through like eight, six, you know, seven, six kind of thing.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: There's a non-vote and a couple of them.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: But they got the the other items, they were said, hey, these are approved.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_03: Now, what the FDA said immediately is nope, they're not going on.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Which we knew there was going to be some rebuttal no matter what.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: But the the reasoning for it is like the big one is these items don't have what's called a monograph.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: And a monograph is essentially the exact recipe of how you build this product as a drug, because they're not drugs, these are supplements and naturally forming products every single time, so that one compounder in New York doesn't do it differently than a compounder in LA.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: So we don't have a monograph, but this is the funny part behind it.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: The USP is the one that defines the monographs for drugs, right?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: And the USP will not make a monograph without the FDA requesting the monograph, which is the FDA saying you need a monograph, but they're the ones that have to request it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: The chicken or the egg.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's exactly that thing.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_03: So what's going to happen is they say, well, then you have to do an IND.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: You have to basically apply to make it a drug.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_03: So now you have products that are unpatentable, that they're asking someone to pony up millions, tens of millions of dollars to create a drug out of their own pocket that is just going to be thrown away because everybody gets the benefit, which is fine.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: We're going to do it, by the way.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then they'll re once that's done with safety reporting, with IRBs, all those things, then they will request a monograph to be done.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: So this thing can take years.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: It kind of is.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: But you know what the thing about it is what's nice is it's at least a step in the right direction.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: And what's what Kennedy can do now is Kennedy can help organize and fast track that from being the you know the secretary of health.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then on top of that, once we get to server, so let's say we go the first thing we do, we go, okay, we know we're not gonna monograph anytime soon.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: And these things really don't need to be monographed because they're not a drug, they're a sequence of amino acids.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: And we say we if we make them 99.5% pure, the FDA wants to know what that 0.5% is every time.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: It needs to be that now.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: So guess what?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: All you Chinese peptide guys, you have to make once this goes out, you don't even get the option of saying it's 99.1% and don't worry about the 0.9.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that needs to be exact now.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: So drug manufacturers like I, we can copy it.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, which is great, which we will.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: They don't get that ability.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, the uh I love that.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, yeah, the you can't go over the over the monograph first.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: So what we're gonna do is safety studies, which we've already done a ton of safety studies ourselves.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: So all of us will rally, APA will work on it, you know, Jeff Cohen's on the on the march, and yeah, we're going to uh get safety studies in, and then Kendy can go, okay, these are safe.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna allow the compounders to not have any repercussions against them if they want to start compounding now, even though it's not finished.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_03: We know that these are safe, right?
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: And we're gonna get these through.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna get the things not needed that the FDA is requiring, we'll do it.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I am not gonna prosecute or go after any of you if you want to start compounding.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: And that could happen sooner, like probably about a year.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: When it seems like right now a lot of people are doing it in the because they're they're loving that it's gray, you know.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: So then there's this gray, because sometimes I'm like, okay, how are these people writing, quote, prescriptions on things that you legally cannot and certain states just don't really care.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: And because okay, right now, because the FDA is, and by the way, do you know that creatine's not FDA proof?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: Vitamin D, which is a hormone, like red dye is and all that's because what the FDA is for is not telling you really yes or no necessarily.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: They're supposed to uphold safety and also what the what you're marketing it as.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: So if I come out and I say creatine cures Alzheimer's.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: If you're like making a proclamation, FDA will go come in and go, no, no, no, you can't say that.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: Prove it to me, and will FDA approve it?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: For that.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: For that, right?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, that's what the problem is.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_03: Now, you can do that on supplements all day long.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: And if these all were just oral pills, we wouldn't even be in this mess.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_03: But the injection portion is what creates that weird gray area because once you move something into a sterile injectable, it technically kind of classifies it as a drug.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't kinda, it does, but it's not also a drug, it's a naturally forming it's a peptide in your body.
• 14:38
  unknown: Yeah.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just the administration of it also.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's yeah, it's it's who want how you want to look at it, right?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: So you got controversy on how people look at it right now.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna define all this lovely stuff.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: And that was a long, long, long window, but that is what is going on.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the part of it to wrap it up, I think, is what I do like about it is at least they're getting recognized, they're getting talked about.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: There was approval of some sort to go to the next level.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think some of them were interesting which ones they chose.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, at the end of the day, yeah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you look at CJC got kicked out right away.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't on this one, but it got kicked out before these ones because of the thing that I didn't produce and make CJC for for years, which is that um flushing, wringing of the ears, blood pressure reaction.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: By the way, I have a histamine response.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: I can't take it anymore.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot of people do.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was fine for two rounds, and then my third round.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: It that it happens.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Testamorelin has the same thing.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's when I think they say there's most hospitalizations are from a CJC because there's a reaction.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Only because if someone has a histamine, which you don't have to go to the hospital, usually.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's just you get scared and you do it, right?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, rightfully so.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my advisor was actually really funny.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it was, but I was in my house by myself, and I've already done it for two rounds.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: So this was like, and this was like and I hadn't done it for like six months, and I was like, you know, I'm gonna get back in the gym.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I should do this.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: And in the evening, JP's not here, it's just me and the girls.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I I take it and it was like instant.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, and I had gotten a little flushed before, but I'm like, this was different.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is ching, like you know, before you get to the door.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh my gosh, I I went and took uh two Benadryl.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: I knew it.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I drank a bunch of Benadryl, drank a ton of water, and I'm just I'm like, I didn't want to go to bed right away because I was like, let me just kind of wait out and see what goes on.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the best part of it was I go into chat to talk about it, and my tongue throats well.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was talking about with Jason Brooks.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: She had that with a GLP.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, yeah, that's not that common.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: No, but I go, she's he's like, Yeah, I take her to this really expensive place.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's all like the up and up, the Eli Lilly.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: I go, and they're calling it Terzepatide?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I go, uh uh, they're not using Eli Lilly, they would have called it Zeppound, yeah, right, or Mongioro.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: I I go, why don't you find out who he's go?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I looked it up, it's Nexus.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: I go, that's just another freaking pop-up somewhere in in San Francisco.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: I go, I'm not gonna comment on if it was something else, but in the last three weeks, I've had the most random things occur where these American companies that that all they are is random pop-ups because they oh we're not.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to talk over this, really important.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you know, obviously I I've been doing American for the since the beginning.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: And there's things that you can get, and this is not a free-for-all to be like, show me everything every single time.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you like you can basically go, well, tell your doctor to call me.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right, because we're not really dealing with you.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but if there's an issue, the difference is that chain of custody, how they're made, the SOPs, do you have sterility, real story, all this stuff.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: If you don't have those, then somebody's truly liable, right?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: We do all that.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: These pop-ups that are, oh, we're American made, here's our COA, even if they do get a COA, it's purity potency.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's not it, that's not like, okay, you're good now.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's 13 tests that happen between when you get a product and it hits the shelf.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Doing one of those, purity potency tests, it does not constitute ready to go.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: And we we brokered a deal with um a group because we we were at capacity and we can't hit these prices, these Chinese guys are doing.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: And we're like, yeah, you know, it just costs more.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_03: It there's you start at$13 and work up.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: So someone goes, Yeah, I get these things for three bucks.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, hello, red flag.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Impossible.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: You cannot in America do anything for that cheap.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's impossible.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: So the I mean, the glass alone, this is a little bottle.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: If you actually have it, you that has an SOP that has a COA on how that bottle needs to be made.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's perfectly, and then it has to go through a certain process of sterilization, and then you get a COA on that bottle.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: That costs$1.50 minimum or more.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: So where are you getting three bucks from?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm also like, it's like anything.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to eat$3 Botox.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, it's too good to be true.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's something like there's a reason why the companies are doing it right are more expensive.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: This is okay.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: So let's talk, look at the one that that almost every one of them, if you start testing their stuff, it's gonna get nailed for sterility.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that means they're unsterile.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: That means there's mold, fungus, bacteria, viruses, microbile, but I mean, I saw one with a fucking bug in it the other day.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: I have a picture on my phone, and I know exactly where it came from, and I know exactly what they do, and it's disgusting.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: They don't even have a clean room, they fill their vials, no one's wearing gloves, no one has a mask in America, but it's American-made.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no, that's bad.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'd rather go to China.
• 19:34
  unknown: I know.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but okay, but yeah, so this the there's this deal, you know, and uh I'm telling a guy that uh about it, and he wants me to do possibly do their manufacturing, like, yeah, I'm not, and I don't want to go too many details, so I don't want to throw these people under the bus because that's not what it's about.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: But I start naming them like, yeah, yeah, they're based in X State.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: And like, oh, how many how many manufacturers are there?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh no.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is where they get their stuff currently.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: I go, only one that I know of.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, do you know the name of it?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: I go, honestly, I don't off the top of my head.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: I go, hold on, let me call Rob, my COO.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: I go, hey, I go, hey, give me a call back.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: I go, he's on a lake.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Hopefully I'll get a call back.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: But I'll let you know as soon as he gets back.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: He called we keep going.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: 15 minutes we call me, go, hey Rob, what was the name of that company?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, Oh, it's blah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I see his face.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I start laughing, I go, that's who you use, isn't it?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, Yeah, that's who we use.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: I go, we tested 13 or 14 batches in a row, all fails.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: All of them failed.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: I go, and then just they were yelling us saying that it was us wrong.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: We tested it on our side first for the deal.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: It failed.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it is us.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: And if you do cerelias, the reason why people don't do sterile is A, very expensive.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: B takes two weeks.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because you have to let it see if it grows bacteria or something, right?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: C, most things fail because almost everybody's in a sterile unless they do it correctly, which means they're dropping 30 million, 40 million, 100 million dollars on their facility to make sure it is right.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Sterile.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: So we we send it off to arguably the number one GMP testing facility for third party tests.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: These guys do government testing, yeah, like major testing.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're not messing around.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: They fail, every one of them fails there.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: They still are arguing with us with the whole thing.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: So we end up sending a uh a demand letter to the people to for the sinking, like, no, no, no, no.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: And go, even then, we sent it out to another one.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: They're identified the exact mold strain that is in their facility.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's you guys see.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, is it really, really matters?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because I get this a ton.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we're listening, we are arguably a few dollars more expensive, right?
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe 10, 15 more expensive than the crap that people are there, but you know you're in an American made product.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and also like right.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: I also, you know, I get the question a lot too like, you know, well, how do you really know?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, well, somebody goes down to trust because at the end of the day, like, unless you are gonna go do your
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: own right i mean you know what to look for but like there is a piece of it saying like understand the chain like look where things are going understand the company ask the right questions like asking like is every you know everything's made in china like are you asking like the materials are made in china like what is the question that you're asking if i if you if you you live in a beautiful in newport beach okay is this an american made home i no no well it is built in america by people that where's everything from hopefully had american citizenship maybe not but you don't hope they did and you worked with american contractors american people american businesses the carpenters the flooring the things where'd all the materials come from China China Russia where I mean your what your woods come from different parts of the world questions are wrong oaks are from from Europe though the wood in your walls is either Russia or Canada the metals are coming from all over the world the stone on your counter is probably Brazilian I would guess judging by the look of it your shit comes from everywhere that's not it it's who is processing it making sure that it's done right and certain countries have way higher the reason why everybody wants American made products in drug manufacturing we have the highest standards so we make sure that what you get is perfect here they don't care in other countries.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: By the way I made this amazing GHKCU sunscreen that I love.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh that's cool.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can't sell it here.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well you so you know it's funny is we do we do a ton of topical products that I have I have dental I have mouthwash toothpaste I have deodorants I have all sorts of crazy cool stuff coming out yeah yeah well that's the fun we're making new peptides and will you tell us about them?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Sure but you know when you go through the process you know that sunscreen takes years to get approved oh I know that's why all so literally I'm talking to my um chemist because we're we have a lot of things coming with GHK she'll make set about and at the sunscreen I literally said to him I'm like we're gonna table this for a long time but I'm like keep it coming for me.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I still want to use it.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I mean we um you know there's uh probably 36 peptides that you've never heard of they're all there's no real names for them yet because they're all like PPC D like PDD DBM right for hair something like one called Trevor only if I figure out the one that grows a penis two inches longer I'll name it the Trevor I said that is the one that no matter what every male on earth will purchase.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh hello right it doesn't matter if you don't want it if everybody else does it you got to do it too right because you just can't stay behind two inches.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean everyone no but I mean I I joke about that I go if I I retire the day I figure this out you are going to figure it out no I'm not even looking at that I'm trying to cure kidney disease and I know real problems.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: That is that is personal.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: But um it's how you use it.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah um but uh the uh where were you talking oh but anyway but yeah we have all these that we do you know that the okay sweat let's talk about sweat really quick okay so we you know we I hate the aluminums and the parabens and all this crap that they put in to to these products that you put on they're all toxic for your body.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Now your skin is a really good deterrent of allowing toxins body so you know when people are like oh you know you can't even wash your clothes and and tie it come on that's what your skin is for right it is to protect you but there are things that you smear in that are chemically made to blockade or get through to cause a reaction so that you those are bad.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: So when you sweat the sweat itself is not what smells it's the bacteria.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah we found the peptide that kills that bacteria so we can make a deodorant that you what will allow your body to do what it needs to do which is still sweat naturally but what you do sweat won't smell at least right now is every if you're a heavy sweater yeah you probably still don't want you're probably gonna still use a uh you know an antipersermant because you don't want to be the dude with the giant pit stains everywhere but you know as like a daily just to yes to to not smell and to work in a home walk around yeah this is something you could use I use not if you're I've used a natural that I like but you're like I mean sometimes like you know it doesn't work when you're in a Thailander and I by the way have like a very sensitive nose so I'll be like working and I'm like is that me no I always do the same thing.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have any nose smell if I can smell it there's somebody that's got some stank going on.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas my girl she can smell anything.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm in the so we moved to Virginia I'm in the basement and I the one of the only things I brought over from here was my living room couch.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like we have this Virginia you get a lot of house yeah yeah right I didn't want this much house you just get it you don't have a choice like we're throwing this is the opposite California it's buy two get one free for like space right it's like okay so I'm like okay I need to we need to put something downstairs I don't want to buy all new furniture I'm like I'll just bring that couch she she won't even she wouldn't even go in the basement she's like it is smells so much like old nasty dog because your dogmy dog I'm gonna I'm like I'll put uh I'll put one of those smell essential oil smell things in down there so I she's like still so I put three of them through the house by the way she still won't go downstairs your man cave it's a perfect man cave no I don't I don't want a man cave I don't need a man cave I don't want a man cave I'm just teasing but but you you're right I could have just been like cool this is my way of doing it so but no we you know we put a hundred inch TV down there it's the playroom for the kid all that stuff so I'm well I want to tell you can you tell your story you are you it's I it's like because you've been on the podcast and you have shared yes your story the first part of the story okay so yeah so when I was 26 listen to that his first podcast Caesar will tell you anything yeah we we were trying to me and Max wife were trying to have kids they tested me I don't produce sperm I have a rare thing so I go and they're injecting me but then we find out she can't have kids kind of the reason why we drifted apart in my and one of the reasons why we drifted you know things are fine we're good um the uh from there though 20 years of I can't have kids and I've never done anything I've only done more things to make sure that I can't have kids which is uh you know I take testosterone which totally knocks you out of having kids right like you're not you're not look you're like I'm I'm not gonna it doesn't even matter I it doesn't matter anyway and I I there's no way I can have a kid right so we started producing clotho we sell clotho it we have it in studies right now for it's being um used for chronic kidney failure and kidney disease it's in human IRBs right now uh we're getting great results so we're using I'm using that because I have kidney problems I I've used it I have low kidney so I've been on it since October well my girlfriend Chelsea you know we're not trying to do anything uh I get the phone call I don't know about six eight weeks ago and uh I can tell she's she calls you FaceTime you which she doesn't normally just FaceTime you know she's like oh yeah can we can I see your face and then okay I'll FaceTime you and she's FaceTiming me I'm at dinner with Scott my president my merchant processor and a huge client uh out of Utah and I'm like hmm I gotta pick this up I'm like hey what's up eh she's like hey uh what are you doing oh I'm at dinner can I give you a call back in a little bit she's like oh it's kind of important uh I oh okay I'll I'll call you back in a couple minutes okay thanks hang the phone I look at Scott I go I think she's gonna tell me she's pregnant oh you knew just felt something weird he goes you can't have kids I go I know I just have this weird feeling oh so I go I gotta go and they're like get out of here call us will let us know so sure enough I leave I walk out of the Pendry we're having dinner there I go get my car I call her she was I'd rather you not be driving I'm like oh it's for sure this I immediately pull over to the Jewish temple also jambering and I'm like all right let me have it and then she just shows all the pregnancy tests she'd been doing it for like two weeks because she's like there's no way you can have kids she's he's gonna think I'm cheating on him yeah and I go she's like start crying oh yeah for sure I'm you know me I cry like crazy I mean that's a so you're the best I'm in the yeah I'm in the cars crying at the Jewish temple.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um but yeah no it's uh the clotho we also think and we started I told the clotho we think what you think it does and now what you're not that we think it it does clotho is a protein and it's very complicated to make and it's so complicated it's been around for over 30 40 years being studied and no one could really get this thing right there I mean there are publicly traded companies that that they're named clotho because that's all they're trying to do is clotho research.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay it is arguably going to be the most critical longevity product that is made and but the problem is it costs 28 million dollars a gram to make as much yeah right luckily you don't need very much but it's how do we get in it down and the other problem was it's such a massive protein it keeps breaking it can't get in the body it gets rejected or if you get too much it causes the other thing you do too much it causes the reverse doesn't help it hurts.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh but it's producing the kidneys in the brain and it's what clears the kidneys and in the brain it prevents ulcer and breaks the protein plaque off of the brain.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Now we that molecule that protein is way too large across blood brain barrier but systemically in the body we're hoping that it actually helps the brain start producing it again there.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: That needs to still be studied but we are using it first for kidney failure and kidney disease because there's no drug on earth for kidney failure.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: You basically your GFR keeps dropping you go on dialysis and then you either get a replacement kidney or you die.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's how it goes.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: So we targeted that and we're seeing GFRs rebound which has never been done so we think we have a a really wonderful product that's going to come out it's gonna take years to go through the whole process.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right the whole process but it's worth it.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: But you're worth it but it it also helps with vascular system it rebuilds the walls of your heart increases sensitivity and long or like production inside like men's and women's privates so it does all these things brain body all this well apparently we did a lot of research and we went back and it does possibly look like it repairs men's fertility that's crazy.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: So when you take it now you like how are you taking it just like it's twice a month injection.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah number because I didn't think I did it I did a round of it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: So the problem with it is if you if you're just trying to get it in the body it's too much at once and it just dies off within minutes and if you so if you're like oh I'm gonna get enough in there then you cause the the wrong you cause a problem instead of helping so then you're how much do I have to have to inject how many times 30 times a day to make sure I get enough we so we we have a patented process where we bind it to albumin.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: So something that if every blood test you ever get you're gonna see albumin on there.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: And you're probably always go what the hell is albumin?
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: But it always says normal right albumin carries all your nutrients around the body.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah perfect bind to that goes everywhere.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well that's what we did.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so we figured out how we stripped off hydrogen bonded on albumin did all this stuff and we allowed it to drift through the body in very low dose for 19 days so that's why you're doing it twice a month.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so you only need to do twice a month and now it just sits to drift around your body just pulls it off as it needs it.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then how long were you on it for?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: I've been on it ever since.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: You don't cycle you just run it.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you have kidney if you have kidney issues you want to see that so you know my I do so like Matt um you know Matt Peterson one of my very close friends he's a cop um and it was a cop he's retired.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a GFR of eight he's like on the verge you know he's uh entering the study and doing that so he's you know getting his blood drawn um and we'll see hopefully he that regards him because I'd hate to see him go he's such a good good guy.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: But you know that was a lot of you want to say and I think too like when we first bonded about all this kind of stuff like what I love about you and just everything is like you're authentically like excited about these things that help people like oh yeah and and and when we talk about this too is like you started this when no one listened like no one gave a shit.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: No 12 years of this is it's been a long road.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: I actually you know I flew out here I was two and a half hours late yeah today because I got stuck on so appreciative that you're here by the way I I was stuck on a tarmac and you know people just shove their headphones in their ears and don't talk to anybody anymore.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: This guy sits down next to me we just started chatting and we chatted for six and a half hours pretty much that's awesome.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_03: But is it's great and you know his brother's the guy that started Death Row Records with Sugnight.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Wow no wonder you talk for six hours right a lot to talk about yeah but he but his mission is he works in the government he was one of the him and his brother were two of the hundred people invited to like Trump's birthday event the day before that big uh UFC event all this stuff but his entire mission in life now is to help rebuild those communities that he fucked up because he was a cocaine dealer his brother was not him he was he he his brother was incarcerated when he was like six or something like that.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: But um yeah he's younger than me but such a life's mission to help people and he is like that liaison between government you know you know if if Trump walks in the door to the wrong neighborhoods like I'm gonna come save these people get the fuck out of here you've done nothing for us right 100% right so you know he's that guy that works with politicians like you can't get in there but I can but what you tell me you have to do you can't leave me hanging I'll vouch but if you ever if you don't I'll never come back right and he's the one that gets in there but they do a ton of good so we just had a lot in common.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to help people he's trying to help people he's also into boxing he owns a boxing team there's this new boxing league where it's team boxing.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: So it's 20 boxers all women's weight classes all men's weight classes everybody fights one round and four people from each team box two rounds it's one round only you scored on each round so it's a two hour event and it's the team score I'm like this is great around Robin so they go in and they're just you got three minutes.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh and you're you're boxing none of the six rounds of feeling each other out okay yep that's the range that's right they get in there and try and knock each other out right away so damn entertaining so you know he just got uh anyway we we just had a great conversation but it was a a a really you know motivational conversation for both of us and came about my mom's answer his find people like that and I think that what's fun too about I the industry that we're in that I'm finding too is like when you're linking arms with the right people it feels really good because you're way more powerful together.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah yeah you but you need people like minded a hundred percent and it's been fun for me like to have I I wasn't working before this and so now my life is really big and very interesting.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know and we know the industry I mean I just laugh thinking how much has changed since you know a year and a half ago and you and I started doing business together.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like God ignorance is bliss.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I mean I it I tell you this much it's is it as fun as it was in the startup phase when a win was so amazing.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's you're it's so much more disappointment and people trying to use you or take advantage it has gotten a lot harder as you get larger for sure but no matter what the industry keeps changing too Trevor's like the things that keep smacking you down you you know we've learned this together in different realms of the business but like sometimes the bigger you get and then you become a target and then you're saying well this isn't fair why am I getting and I'm doing the right thing.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I getting slapped around you know or jealousy as a motherfucker.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Jealousy yeah 100% and also I feel what's interesting in a good way is it is getting harder for the mom and pops who just pop up because you know from the credit card processing thing is hard.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: How are you advertising?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know it's it the industry itself is making it harder which I actually like that part to be honest because it's good for me because I'm legitimate and I have all those things.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent and I that's why I love our partnership because I can sit there and say like look someone in the eye and be like yeah this this is why it works when you're with they're shocked sometimes when they're on our peptides they're like we it didn't work before I'm like well you weren't on peptides.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah well another thing too is the the the American companies that you do see out there that might be a lot of them there's a lot of okay guys yeah but what you see and I think people there's people that will hold tight to their their morals until they you know they fall on the sword.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: Which I'm a little bit like that.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: I hope I never get to that point.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: But then there's other people that go well I'm losing so what do I do?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: And then they've tweaked their moral code and their moral compass.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: So what do they do?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: They pad their inventory with Chinese goods.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: So they make some here and then they buy some for dirt cheap and they just kind of blend them together on you and you don't know and that's why it's like sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't for me know what your vial is like one vial was like so weird now it's not working as well yeah now it's not working as well.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: Now don't take that with the GLPs because I swear to God people are like yeah you know four months ago it seemed like it worked way better.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's like you same dose like well yeah you body gets used to things yeah remember the first time you had a uh a couple of drinks and you were just smashed not the same anymore right yeah I use an analogy too because when I don't drink for a while and then I have a drink it's like one glass of wine I'm like whoo and then when I'm on vacation and day 20 you know three glasses of wine and you're like I don't feel anything.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah luckily I have a lovely girl that doesn't get mad if I have a drink or two and she's like let me smell your wine you know because we're both wine people but I I tell you I don't I definitely don't drink you know I live in Virginia I don't have really any friends saying I I've I've met a couple of people I'm gonna grab dinner with RJ next week he's out there he splits time between that's good DC and and here so we're gonna go grab dinner next week and I met this cool guy James he's from South Africa he's runs government contracting for building so we're gonna go grab some dinner so I'm I'm you know I'm I've you're so social here it's almost a couple of people to to get out but I mean for the most part all I've been doing is working around the house trying to get it set up.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to domestic life Trevor yeah oh I'm so domesticated I I'm such an idiot because I like being busy yeah um I'm like you know what I'm gonna build my own office so I ordered really nice office furniture but wasn't built because I could not find anything that was together from a place that I liked.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: It was all very farmhousey so you're putting it together so I found this cool mod thing but you know you got to put it together.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I spent you know four, five, six grand something like that on two pieces of furniture which is more a lot of pieces like right of course but you know if it was all together it would have been double the price on a showroom floor I can do this.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: God that was a dumb idea.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna feel so accomplished when I do finish.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: I'm almost there.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Time is money.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: You get those hours back.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I I like you know on my weekend or in the morning because I get up so freaking early even now I'm still up before six o'clock in the morning on the East Coast.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_03: No one's doing anything no one calls me until noon.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay I this is actually a good question.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've noticed sometimes with my pep size and I don't know which ones I'm on where like I'm up at 5 a.m and I'm bing and it's not I'm on testafensine.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like bing bing bing I'm up and then there's also times when like I'm and I'm like oh it's weird for this month I'm actually can sleep in.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: But like it is like I'm like is it it may be my hormones too.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it hormones control a lot of that but I mean uh there I mean anything brain so NAD can do that to you uh P21 can do that to you um you know growth hormone levels so if you're using growth hormone then not using growth hormone uh B12 I mean when you drink caffeine I just I doesn't matter where I am if I'm out here so I was out here for nine days yeah so it's three hours early now in my clock yeah I still go home I wake up at 5 45 without an alarm clock which is 2 45 in the morning yeah just normal it's weird like I'm kind of like you it's like a very weird no matter where I'm with the sun like a freaking rooster me too even with an eye mask on I'm like oh my god my body knows that it's something my dogs know and they help with the wakeup stuff okay I want to ask you because Cesar's gonna say we don't have a lot of time and there's a lot of things I want to ask you what are you most excited about of the peptide future right now uh okay I'll do one because you have a very large women's network uh there's a new product that eliminates endometriosis for women without surgery or hormones yep wow just cleared phase one going into phase two I already have the I have the molecule I know how to make it I don't know what the protocols are yet so I'll try and figure that out but um I know like firsthand from my ex-wife having it and that was one of the reasons we couldn't have kids that it's uncomfortable it's not pleasant it's you know terrible things yeah there's it affects a lot of women now you can do an injection and it supposedly through first trial and IRV 100% success rate I don't know if that's true or not but pretty darn cool stuff.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: More and more I think of that kind of stuff which is really exciting.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah um okay here's another fun one with the one of the the dental products you do uh people receding gums a lot of people have uh veneers now and they get receding gums they get the blacks and all that stuff one week of brushing your teeth with this product full gum uh regeneration yeah no more black marks gums regenerate gums mouth of process is really that's huge yeah because anything that is necessity your body usually fixes quick so the mouth if you can't eat you die kind of thing oh yeah so your mouth regenerates your hair they're like you don't eat your hair exactly it's not a it's not an impediment to keeping you alive so the the it's pretty cool to see and we I'm telling you right now like pictures and one week later gums look normal totally received a gum line um the clotho piece I'm really we have a long la acting TB500 coming we have long acting growth hormone coming we have a 17 GLP1 coming.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's huge.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting because I have no problem injecting myself.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like today I had six because I had glutathione day.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but people are getting tired of it.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, I oh, I went off a ton, so like now I'm excited.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I when I went off, like I was doing one, I was over it.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I there's a lot of people who are like, I don't want to do it just.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: Needle fatigue, yes.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or there's like I'll like they can't be consistent.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you're only taking two, and they're like, I'm just over it.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it is a really big thing.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it's traveling with his tough getting so you know, we have that that trial coming.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we're just making all of the base materials right now for the converting five peptides to oral.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: So the we'll do a human trial work on that.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: That will actually we'll have real white papers published on whether or not we were able to get CJC, NAD, uh PT141 and 5 Amino 1, I think are the the ones we use.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Those will become orally bioavailable.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: We did all the uh PK testing, all that stuff, which is you know, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on that.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: It basically generates through like AI modeling whether or not this would work in humans.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, doesn't always mean it does translate because humans are so different than a model.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: But it showed that we were able to get these through this new technology to process orally that you could never do before.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: So that trial starts.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: And if it works for those four or five that we started with, it should work for most.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: So we might get rid of needles at some point.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: I know I've talked about that.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like I said, I don't sell any of them yet because I got to prove it first.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, I see the same thing to people that tell me all the time.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: I go, prove it to me.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was on the phone with a guy the other day.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, we have these strips.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: I hate strips.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: Me too.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, 100% bioavailability.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_03: If I F you injecting doesn't give you 100% bioavailability, your body doesn't give you 100% bioavailability.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: I stopped making these claims.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: So stop fucking saying it.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: B, I say, can you show me something?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: Second call I've had about this.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: Send me something.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: What did she send me?
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: All products that are orally eaten.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_03: I go, of yeah, you shoved it in your mouth, you absorbed it in your mouth, it went down the back of your throat, went to your stomach, and it was bioavailable.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: I go, you told me insulin was 100% bioavailable, which you cannot take.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: Where's that one?
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: Why did you give me cannabis?
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: Cannabis, what was the three?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was like cannabis vitamin C or something, and one of I'm sitting here going, these are all products that you already can take orally.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why I'm not gonna shove some stupid film in my mouth for 10 times the price when I can just take a pill.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that I already have or drink it in a shake that has extra in it.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, what do you got?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: I was it's so frustrating that people think that they can just make these claims and I'll show you guys.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was watching TikToks and can't be on Instagram.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't have a TikTok account because I did get kicked off, but at least I can have one that I can stroll.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not on it, but I kind of I play on it because I like to get I like the long format on TikTok.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm sorry about a lot of pet stuff.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we had to have pet stuff.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: So I uh I I got an IRB approved at Cedar Sinai.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and the doctor uh that's gonna be doing the project, it's for PRP injecting using uh BPC and TV 500 and things like that.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: But what's really cool is the base of what we're doing, we're doing it with the guy that did the first penis attachment.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: The guy got his blown off at IED and uh Iraq or something like that.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: First doctor on earth, he led the project, he was brilliant, he's done a bunch of this stuff.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: He did like an eye replacement, first to do an eye replacement.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: The guy's great.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: He's gonna lead the study on this, which is amazing for the IRB.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: But the company I'm working with, which were partners signing the paper for the partnership, it should be done by Friday.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they own all the the veterinarian world worldwide.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: So we are going to get all these things approved for animals.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the animal the amount that we all spend on our pets, and I have a friend that I was telling him like, you really need to give your dog BPC.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna get inject my dog.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, the dog doesn't feel it.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: The dog doesn't have no idea.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: I go I because I I injected my dog for some gut stuff with KPV, and I'm like, the dog does not like I was just playing, it does not touch anything.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: They don't know.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's like Yeah, you yeah, you're good.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, there's so many videos now of people with their dogs that can barely walk and then you give them VPC in the dog.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: And then two weeks later, the dogs run around like crazy.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: It does work.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, all this stuff was tested on animals before it ever went to a human.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and and it's so expensive.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: The vets are so expensive, and you're like Well, I found out I've been poisoning my one of my dogs.
• 48:25
  unknown: What?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: She's allergic to everything, like food-wise, beef, bison, rice.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_00: All the good stuff that you think you're like.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm I'm like, oh yeah, it's great.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: But she has all these ear infections and she acts like she's choking all the time.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: Been poisoning my frickin' dog the whole time.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Where do the dogs live?
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Are they in Virginia?
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, they're in Virginia.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: So Java, my doodle, has been been tormenting her with her food.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: So I switched them all to this hydrolyzed protein diet.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: I spent like$680 a month.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're in the wrong industry now with the food.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta figure out food.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me what current pet size that you guys carry that you're you're on or you're most excited about, like that you're just like, yeah, I'm taking it and I feel great.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: I love MK677, which is not a peptide.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have I don't need to talk about that.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so it's for all you people that are sitting there going, I'm so tired of injecting testamerolin, epimerolin, or CJC every frickin' night, or it's hard to MK677 is a single pill you take once a night.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're not you're not starving.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_03: You wake up hungry.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: But if you got a bad thing, no, you take it and go to bed, you sleep, vivid dreams, sleep like a champ, massive amounts of growth hormone release in the body, and you don't have to stick yourself.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: So easy to travel with.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: I bring it whenever I go and travel, I bring it with me because you can't just bring bottles and stuff and all that.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're if you're I travel, I'm like, here for a night, there for a night, here for two night.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's hard to like mix everything.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Why you like sleep in five amino two in the bottle?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's easy.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_03: So there's things like that.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_03: It is I could not believe how effective it is.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts on it for women?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: Just cut the pill in half.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so but put it this way like I I cannot put any of my middle-aged paramenopausal, menopausal women on Tesla Morlin.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: They blow up like ticks.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, I've had one out of maybe 50 that can handle it.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of water weight when your hormones.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because I mean it already induces water.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: They can CJC Ipamorlin, they're fine, Ipamorlin, but if for some reason the Tessamorlin's six pounds on the scale, they're freaking out.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: So MK67 works off of ghrelin, so the ipamorel and sexorols, all that, which are aren't probably causing the problems, are it's based on that, but it's not even a peptide.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_03: So it is different.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you think they could I I could suggest half of one?
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_03: Try, yeah.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: Try taking half of one before bed.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's 60 tablets in a bottle, so you get four months worth in a in a bottle.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna try I'm gonna try it to see if I can if it if I have that feeling, I I would I love it.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: I love that one.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um I would love to be hungry in the morning, by the way.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's great.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, the only problem is I work out fasted, but it's not enough to where I I it damages me.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: I still go to the gym without eating.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, as a woman, they're like, you should you should eat something before and it's because I was a runner in college, like I just and you ran in the morning.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just am not hungry.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: So when I do eat in the morning, it's like you're sh like you're making yourself eager.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'd rather be hungry and eat.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, you you wake up and eat it's you're not starving to death, but yeah, you could eat a bagel.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you should think, oh, this is great.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I said you love that.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: Another one I love, I love using KISPepin for sex.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for saying this because we carry it, and I was like, I don't know enough about it for other things.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: It opens up that valve brain-wise for like that attraction hornyness.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: More than PT, you like it better?
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because PT 141 is actually like causing the blood flow to happen.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: This is actually the brain working.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: Getting excited.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, you can mix them.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_03: And the other thing is it doesn't upset your stomach.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: That to be honest, for me, it's a big reason.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's the reason I don't do it.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, great, now I'm horny, but I feel like I'm a few.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: I want to puke.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I'm like, great.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I puke and sex don't go together.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm horny, but I just don't feel great.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_03: This one doesn't do that out to you.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it won't mess with hor any hormones or anything for women or uh, I mean, obviously that you gotta you gotta take a look at all that, but it but don't use it on a regular basis.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Don't use it regularly.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like this is the thing, it's used for men's fertility right now.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it's being used to help with like how HCG and stuff like works.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's it's great.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, do do the research on it, read up on it and what it does.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have read about it, but I haven't a lot of studies aren't saying that.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it works wonders.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, it really is probably one of the better ways to sensitivity, everything, men and women.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, guys.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna check that one out.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds funny.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to think of ones that are a little off.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, and I like it, yeah.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: That are are are different.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's other one, FLGR242.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's a little on the pricey side, but talk about something for men and women.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: For women, it's such a low dose.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh one bottle you get two bottles for one.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: When you buy that product, it always comes that way.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's probably two to three months' worth for women, but talk about muscle wasting goes by insulin sensitivity comes back, cortisol drops, which is huge bones.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's huge, massive cortisol dropping.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, those are really big helps with hair growth and hair thickness.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, bone density.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: No side effects?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: No, and that's and that's a shot once every two weeks.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_03: And that's so simple.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's also great for people who get the DXA scan back and they're getting out.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm a big guy.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: I use a bottle a week.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_03: Most people, men, I think start at like one bottle every two weeks.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_03: Women would start at half a bottle every two weeks.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: So you probably said it's two months worth.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't realize too.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes you're like, it gets expensive for people like me.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it gets not everyone's carrying that on you.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_03: I weigh 240 pounds.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something I've been bragging about?
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I got my last exascan and I had I put on a pound of muscle and lost a pound of fat.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: I had it complete on a microdose of a GLP.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: On no secretagog.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was really proud of myself.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's very good.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's good eating and good habits.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, here you you, our boy Khalid.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: I got hit, he went in and he got his reporting.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I not until I might read it this morning on the plane.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: He got back his health assessment from the doctors.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: They rated him as uh, he's in his mid-50s, as a young 40-year-old, and they gave him a 9.3 score out of 10.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: This is a guy that has had two massive heart attacks, has multiple stents in his heart, was over 30% body fat, and not gonna live very long.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: And now he's they literally wrote in perfect health.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: His LEL is in the toilet, like his cholesterol is perfect, 8.7% body fat, 54 years old.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: He was over 30.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's amazing.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_03: He's lost 88 pounds.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, he probably hasn't worked very hard at it.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's to work it, but not what you think.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, he is not the gym rat.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he's got a six-pack.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna have to wheelchair the theater round China and Asia when he comes out with me every year for my birthday.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: Now he's freaking running freaking marathons and shit on me.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that makes me happy.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like things like that.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: He's you know, he's been on it for this is a guy that would refuse to use the needle for right and now look.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: I that's why I love the blood work too, because like not only how you look, but between the blood work, the DEXA scan, he just burns it all.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_03: If you read it, it you're just sitting there going, holy crap, like his health went from you are going to die to you are an amazing human being.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: It is nuts to read the report.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see his report.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll I'll I'll show it to you.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're friends, we can all do that.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean it's nothing that he's trying to hide.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, of course.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_03: All right, we're out of here.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for coming.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: Good seeing you.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll be back in a couple weeks.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: Please.