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Careers, and how to change them · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: She's on the Money.
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Speaker 2: She's on the Money. Hello, and welcome to She's on
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Speaker 2: the Money, the podcast or Millennials who want financial freedom. Today,
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Speaker 2: we're talking careers and specifically how you can go about
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Speaker 2: changing yours if that is something you want. Maybe you're
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Speaker 2: bored in your job right now, maybe you need an
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Speaker 2: extra challenge, or maybe the field you chose is just
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Speaker 2: not what you thought it would be. No matter your situation.
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Speaker 2: Today would explain how to make a switch without sabotaging
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Speaker 2: your savings. My name is Georgia King, and joining me
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Speaker 2: today as always is financial advisor and find and author
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Speaker 2: and like app creator, I'm not an app creator, what
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Speaker 2: are you? I'm a Victoria not app creator. Well, actually
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Speaker 2: this leads me to my first question, because we're talking
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Speaker 2: about careers today and for anyone new to the podcast
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Speaker 2: who doesn't know your career story, can you act at
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Speaker 2: the point.
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Speaker 1: I'm not actually usually that self indulgent in the intro though, Yeah, debatable?
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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, carry on, tell us about you. I want
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Speaker 2: to know about your career and how you got to
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Speaker 2: where you are.
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Speaker 1: That's where we're going back to a podcast.
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Speaker 2: I just wanted to start out with a little a
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Speaker 2: little bit of story time.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what my career is. If I'm being honest,
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I started. I don't know where
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Speaker 1: I began. I finished year twelve not really having a clue.
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Speaker 1: I went straight into an arts degree because that's what
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Speaker 1: you do when you don't know what to do and
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Speaker 1: you still want to go to union not miss out.
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Speaker 1: And then halfway through first year I transferred into a
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Speaker 1: Bachelor of Psychological Science, which sounds very fancy, and finished
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Speaker 1: that kind of had a career midlife. Is it a
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Speaker 1: midlife crisis when you're twenty one?
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't have thought so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, let's go with that. It felt like
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Speaker 1: a crisis when I realized that I didn't love psychology.
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Speaker 1: I went into psychology thinking I'd go into counseling or
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Speaker 1: become a psychologist and you know, help people with mental health,
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Speaker 1: and that's something I I'm really passionate about. And then
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Speaker 1: when push came to shove and I did some practical stuff,
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Speaker 1: I really didn't enjoy it. And to be honest, I
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Speaker 1: think it takes a really special person to do that role.
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Speaker 1: And the experience I had was great, it was just
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Speaker 1: that it weighed really, really heavily on me, and I
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Speaker 1: just knew I couldn't do that as a career.
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Speaker 2: I took it home. Kind of, yeah, I took it home.
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Speaker 1: I ruminated on it way too much and kind of
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Speaker 1: ended up in a crisis myself being like I can't
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Speaker 1: do this, I don't want to do this. And I
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Speaker 1: then I went to see a careers counselor actually just
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Speaker 1: a local one. I found her on Google and spoke
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Speaker 1: to her and decided to finish psychology. And then I
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Speaker 1: met someone in organizational psychology. Never thought of that, and
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Speaker 1: decided to pursue that because it was business psychology and
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Speaker 1: I just thought that was really cool. So I graduated
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Speaker 1: from a Bachelor of psych Science and then when I
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Speaker 1: did a honors year in organizational psychology and that was
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Speaker 1: really cool, really good topics, and then went straight into
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Speaker 1: a graduate role ish from there. It wasn't a grad role.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of grad role. It was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: they called it a consultant, but it was like the
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Speaker 1: baby consultant role. So I was working in consulting at
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Speaker 1: twenty one twenty two, and yeah, it was a baby
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Speaker 1: at that stage. Didn't really feel like I fit in
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Speaker 1: anywhere because I didn't have the experience that my peers had,
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Speaker 1: and given my background was in psychology not in business,
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Speaker 1: I didn't actually have a fully comprehensive understanding of how
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Speaker 1: a business worked. So I'd walk into these consulting sessions
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Speaker 1: I'd just be like, what, Like, Oh, you're from accounting.
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Speaker 1: What does accounting do marketing? Oh? I just didn't know.
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Speaker 1: But what I was doing was culture and engagement, and
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Speaker 1: I loved the culture and engagement. But too many times
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Speaker 1: finance kept coming up as a topic during these sessions
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Speaker 1: about why employees weren't engaged and I was really bad
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Speaker 1: at money. I was really bad at finance. I didn't
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Speaker 1: really understand it. I had a personal loan myself that
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Speaker 1: I'd taken out to go and start studying because during
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Speaker 1: working as a consultant at twenty one twenty two, I
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Speaker 1: went straight into doing my MBA because I just gave
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Speaker 1: myself absolutely no slack and felt like I had to
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Speaker 1: in a way. I just felt like I needed to
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Speaker 1: do something to not prove myself, but to educate myself
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Speaker 1: because I didn't know anything about business and I really
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Speaker 1: wanted to. So I started that started to fall in
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Speaker 1: love with the idea of knowing more about finance from
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Speaker 1: learning at UNI and learning from the people I was
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Speaker 1: working with that finance really was a priority, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't a priority in the space that I was working.
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Speaker 1: So I started talking to people in the finance space
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Speaker 1: and thought it was pretty dry, to be honest, just
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Speaker 1: didn't see anything sexy about the industry, but like, come on,
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Speaker 1: like this has to be cool, Like there has to
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Speaker 1: be a way. And so after I realized that finance
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Speaker 1: was a priority, one of my clients ended up being
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Speaker 1: a financial advisor and owning an accounting firm, and through
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Speaker 1: working with them really closely, I ended up falling into
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Speaker 1: finance and deciding that the next step I wanted to
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Speaker 1: take was as a financial advisor. So I took a
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Speaker 1: role as a baby financial advisor, probably at that time
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Speaker 1: pretty controversially with the client that I was working with.
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Speaker 1: So I kind of like jumped ship from working as
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Speaker 1: a consultant and went and took a role with them
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Speaker 1: because I was so passionate about it, and they were like, Victoria,
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Speaker 1: you would make a really good advisor, and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: are you sure, because like, advice seems pretty dry, but
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Speaker 1: it did seem pretty cool. And it was a great opportunity,
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Speaker 1: and from there I started to grow Zella and started
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Speaker 1: to grow She's on the money. And it was all
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Speaker 1: kind of coincidental. And the thing that I always get
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Speaker 1: stumped with is when people ask me what my career
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Speaker 1: plan was, and it's kind of like I didn't have one.
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Speaker 1: It just kind of it just kind of happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: people think I had a plan, and I really didn't.
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Speaker 2: My friend, Yeah, that's so interesting. And along the way
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Speaker 2: you have had so many little career changes accidentally.
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Speaker 1: But I guess it's kind of like right place, right time,
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Speaker 1: and a mixture of you know, I don't believe in luck,
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Speaker 1: but kind of just like it's lucky, but it's not lucky,
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Speaker 1: Like there were opportunities that I decided to seize and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people might not have. And I was
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Speaker 1: just interested, and I think that being interested sometimes makes
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Speaker 1: you interesting. So I guess it's always been my underlying driver,
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Speaker 1: how can I have the biggest impact and help people
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Speaker 1: in a really deep way, Because that's just I guess
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Speaker 1: how I've been built, and finance kind of boiled down
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Speaker 1: to be the thing that if I can help you financially,
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Speaker 1: I can help you mentally. I can help you, physically,
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Speaker 1: I can help you socially, I can help you in
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Speaker 1: every single way, because if we can get that basis
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Speaker 1: of financial literacy down, you can put a roof over
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Speaker 1: your head, you can put food on the table, you
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Speaker 1: can send your kids to school with lunch, and it
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Speaker 1: all boils back down to those really basic fundamentals. And
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Speaker 1: I think for me being able to provide that to
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Speaker 1: other people is really special. And now I see my
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Speaker 1: job as finding different avenues for me to be able
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Speaker 1: to explore that. And without I guess now, this is
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Speaker 1: just a cushy She's on the money love fest. I
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Speaker 1: guess now, without the Shees on the money in community,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. So I'm literally grateful every day
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Speaker 1: that I get to do something that I adore. But
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Speaker 1: I don't want people to think that this was always
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Speaker 1: the ultimate plan or this was what was going on,
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Speaker 1: because I can't tell you what I'll be doing in
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Speaker 1: five years either, because I've got no idea. I have
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Speaker 1: no plan.
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Speaker 2: But your goal essentially always has been, and I assume
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Speaker 2: always will be to help people and to help educate people.
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Speaker 2: And that's why you studied psych back in the day,
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Speaker 2: Like that's really.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know it at the time though, so like
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Speaker 1: this is only on reflection now I'm nearly thirty years
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Speaker 1: old that I go, you know what, that makes sense
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Speaker 1: as to why I made the decisions I made. And
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Speaker 1: sometimes you can only understand your own decisions in retrospect.
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Speaker 1: Like at the time I felt so lost. I think
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Speaker 1: that's really important to bring up as well, because it's
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Speaker 1: not as though I was this confident, tenacious person that
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Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, I'll just try something different,
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Speaker 1: Like no, I cried in the bath a lot, my friends.
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Speaker 2: Aren't we all lost? Like that?
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Speaker 1: Is?
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Speaker 2: I think, just what you are in your twenties, and
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Speaker 2: probably your thirties, your forties, your fifties, your sixties, your seventies,
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Speaker 2: your eighties, your nineties.
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Speaker 1: You are inspirational Georgia. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All right, So let's get into the main questions here,
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Speaker 2: V Where should we start if we do feel like
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Speaker 2: we're wanting a career change and this is going to be.
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Speaker 1: A fluffy episode, isn't it? A girl should fluffy episodes
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Speaker 1: probably my favorite, my favorite tube that like I always
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Speaker 1: feel bad that there's not enough stats in there, but
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Speaker 1: all right, let's be fluffy people just want your wisdom. Yeah. Look,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's wisdom or just me talking
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Speaker 1: absolutely smack, but that is okay. I genuinely think you
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Speaker 1: need to start with yourself and take yourself out of
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Speaker 1: the job or the role or the unique degree that
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Speaker 1: you're doing for a moment and say, who am I?
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Speaker 1: What do I want to achieve? What's my driving force?
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Speaker 1: What sparks joy in me? And you know what do
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Speaker 1: I like being surrounded by? And that's a really hard
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Speaker 1: thing to do when you've hit a fork in the
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Speaker 1: road right where you just don't know which way to
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Speaker 1: go or what the right decision is or who you
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Speaker 1: should be following. But I think that if you can
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Speaker 1: take a step back and go, do you know what?
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Speaker 1: This makes me feel good. I've no idea why, but
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Speaker 1: this is what makes me feel good. And these are
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Speaker 1: the types of people that I get my energy from.
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Speaker 1: And in my free time, I find myself engaging with
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Speaker 1: content that looks like X or Y, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I find myself thinking about different things. And I think
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Speaker 1: being able to step back and say, well, who am I?
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Speaker 1: Is really important, And to be honest, it's a privilege
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Speaker 1: that not a lot of people get because sometimes you
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Speaker 1: just go to work, go to UNI, get life done,
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Speaker 1: and you just don't think too much about it. But
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Speaker 1: it is a real privilege to be able to step
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Speaker 1: back and go, what do I want from my life?
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Speaker 1: What is there? Because a lot of us have a
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Speaker 1: lot of financial constraints, whether that's personal debt or a
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Speaker 1: family or you know, we're looking after our parents, or
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Speaker 1: we just actually need to be financially stable because we
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Speaker 1: don't have any family support. But I think regardless, being
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Speaker 1: able to step back and say, well, what do I
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Speaker 1: want to do. Once you feel like you've got a
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Speaker 1: good idea of that, jump on Google. Start looking up
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Speaker 1: careers in different fields and understanding them. Something I like
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Speaker 1: doing is going on LinkedIn. So I don't love LinkedIn
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Speaker 1: as the platform. I don't really engage with it a whole.
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Speaker 2: Heat LinkedIn is so weird.
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Speaker 1: But get on link in and go and look at
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Speaker 1: people's careers. Like go and see some really inspirational people
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Speaker 1: that you might look up to or like Google CEOs,
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Speaker 1: and see where they started. Yeah, you can see you
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Speaker 1: can see their career progress. And I think that's a
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Speaker 1: really liberating thing to do because you realize that most
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Speaker 1: people's career journeys aren't as linear as the world makes
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Speaker 1: them out to be. And when you're in high school,
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Speaker 1: you get fed this idea that the goal is you
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Speaker 1: get a good BT or ATR or whatever we're calling
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Speaker 1: it nowadays score, and then you have to go to
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Speaker 1: university or do some form of higher education, and then
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Speaker 1: you go and get a job, and you work until
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Speaker 1: sixty five and then you retire. Right Whereas, that's not
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Speaker 1: really how the world works, and it's not how it
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Speaker 1: has to work for you either. But I think that
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Speaker 1: the real lesson here is that if you want to change,
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Speaker 1: you can, like nothing is stopping you, and going and
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Speaker 1: doing your research is the first step in.
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Speaker 2: That journey after finding out who you are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really deep, but genuinely like affording yourself the
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Speaker 1: privilege of looking back and going what I enjoy? What
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Speaker 1: is it? Because I've spoken to too many people who are,
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Speaker 1: you know, in their sixties, who say, I just wish
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Speaker 1: I was a builder, Like I wish I didn't go
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Speaker 1: and do you know this other thing that I did
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Speaker 1: because I felt like it was the right thing, And
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Speaker 1: you go, I wish you did that too, Like I
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Speaker 1: really wish that you had that opportunity because you thought
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Speaker 1: about it all the time and then you didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: And I don't want to get to sixty and have
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Speaker 1: not done something because I thought that the other stream
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Speaker 1: was just quote the right thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So in terms of actually like logistically making this
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Speaker 2: happen v where like would you say that we should
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Speaker 2: just quit our job today.
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Speaker 1: And then start and that tomorrow like we're going to
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Speaker 1: do like eat, pray, love, You're going to quit your
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Speaker 1: job and then you're just gonna find yourself. Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: That is the worst most entitled advice really that anyone
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Speaker 1: could ever give you, because just quit your job if
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Speaker 1: you don't like it, Oh cool, Like I don't have
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Speaker 1: any other responsibility in life. That's assuming I have this
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Speaker 1: massive emergency fund that I can afford to dip into
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Speaker 1: and support myself with. Like, No, that is not how
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Speaker 1: the world works. So as much as you might want
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Speaker 1: to quit your job, I've been there. I've wanted to
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Speaker 1: quit my job before and not been in the position
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Speaker 1: to be able to. You can't just do that, but
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Speaker 1: preferably I'd love people to be able to stay in
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Speaker 1: their current roles and then find a way to upskill
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Speaker 1: themselves in the field that they're interested in, so that
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Speaker 1: they can still make sure that they have a steady income.
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Speaker 1: Because this is she's on the money. Your money is
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Speaker 1: really important, so that you can pay the bills while upskilling,
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Speaker 1: so that you can sidestep into another job at some
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Speaker 1: point if that is your desire. I also think that
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Speaker 1: doing it slowly isn't a bad thing, Like you can
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Speaker 1: do it on the side. Don't put so much pressure
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Speaker 1: on yourself that you think, all right, well, I have
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Speaker 1: to keep this full time job and I better go
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Speaker 1: study you know, finance and do it full time on
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Speaker 1: the side and absolutely burn myself out. Like that's not
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Speaker 1: helpful either. So I think it's make a plan and
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Speaker 1: start moving towards it at whatever speed it suits you.
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Speaker 2: What if this is a bit of a sidestep, But
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Speaker 2: what if you're in a toxic workplace.
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Speaker 1: Toxic workplaces suck. Yeah, they're toxic, man, same rules apply.
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Speaker 1: I think you don't want to be too trigger happy
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Speaker 1: getting out of a toxic workplace as much as I
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Speaker 1: want you out of it too. I think you need
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Speaker 1: to make a plan so that you are financially safe
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Speaker 1: and start prioritizing your mental health and focusing on things
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Speaker 1: outside of work that really bring you joy. And something
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Speaker 1: that if you are in a toxic workplace, is really
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Speaker 1: important is setting your boundaries and making sure that you
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Speaker 1: are adhering to your own boundaries, whether that is you going,
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Speaker 1: do you know what, this is a toxic workplace, I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to make sure I do leave at five.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to stay back, even if that's the
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Speaker 1: expectation of the firm's culture or whatever is going on.
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Speaker 1: I actually need that for my mental health, and you
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Speaker 1: are well within your rights to do that. So I
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Speaker 1: think if you're in a toxic workplace, it sucks, but
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Speaker 1: one of the best things you can do is find
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Speaker 1: ways to support yourself outside of work. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: stay there if it's the worst thing in the entire world,
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Speaker 1: please There's a lot of support out there that can
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Speaker 1: help you through something if you're actually experiencing like bullying
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Speaker 1: or a really bad workplace situation. But I think if
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Speaker 1: it's just really toxic environment, making a get out plan
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Speaker 1: is very important. And if you're in the position where
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Speaker 1: you do have a really healthy emergency fund, this is
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Speaker 1: actually one of those things that I would categorize as
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Speaker 1: an emergency and a okay reason to start leaning on
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Speaker 1: that a bit. More So, if you decide, do you
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Speaker 1: know what, I am looking for a new job and
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Speaker 1: I know that I can probably secure one in the
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Speaker 1: nearish future, I'm okay for a couple of months if
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Speaker 1: I was unemployed, make a plan, do a budget, work
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Speaker 1: out what that is going to cost you so that
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Speaker 1: you can quit your job and just focus on yourself
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Speaker 1: so that the you you take into your new future
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Speaker 1: workplace is the best version of you. You don't want
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Speaker 1: to be burnt out and feeling like you're carrying a
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Speaker 1: burden when that's not what you deserve. So if you
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Speaker 1: are in that privileged position, great, do that. But that's
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Speaker 1: something not many of us can do. Come over shes
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Speaker 1: on the money culture.
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Speaker 2: It will bump you up absolutely okay, so financially v
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Speaker 2: obviously starting in a new industry will mean that you
14:55
Speaker 2: have to start again, probably from the baseline of what
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Speaker 2: that industry pays. I think it was to Neil in
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Speaker 2: our group was asking about going for her dream job,
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Speaker 2: which was I think twenty k less than what she's
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Speaker 2: What do you do in that situation? Look it's really hard,
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Speaker 2: and in to Neil's situation, that's a cost value benefit analysis, right,
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Speaker 2: You've got to work out whether that is going to
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Speaker 2: add enough value to your life to make that jump.
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Speaker 1: But something that is really important to remember is that
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Speaker 1: less money doesn't equal less life. Yeah, just because you're
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Speaker 1: taking quote a pay cut, it might mean that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can't save as much. But are you super stoked
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Speaker 1: to go to work every day? Has your life fulfillment increased?
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Speaker 1: Are you now like this happy, go lucky person working
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Speaker 1: your dream job like that? Is that's kind of worth
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Speaker 1: the pay cut? Like that's the investment you're making in yourself.
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Speaker 1: In a way, I think it's a decision that only
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Speaker 1: you can personally make. You don't have to always increase
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Speaker 1: income to be moving forward in your career.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting.
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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people assume, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: if I leave this job, it has to be more
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Speaker 1: pay And I think that's actually a really limiting belief
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Speaker 1: because if you need income, great, I understand it. And
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Speaker 1: I mean if you're telling me, hey, Victoria, I earn
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Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars a year right now, and the job
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Speaker 1: I really wants forty like that is a very significant
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Speaker 1: lifestyle change. Right, Neither of those pays are a bad thing,
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Speaker 1: but that's going to mean that your lifestyle is going
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Speaker 1: to be significantly impacted. So have a think about that.
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Speaker 1: Is it worth it to you? For a lot of
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Speaker 1: people it won't be. But for some people that'll be
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Speaker 1: like Victoria, to work in that job, Oh, I'd sell
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Speaker 1: my car. I'd do this, Like, if that is what
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Speaker 1: you truly want to do, stop worrying so much about
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Speaker 1: pay and start worrying more about is that job going
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Speaker 1: to provide me with future financial security? Is it going
16:38
Speaker 1: to provide me with the fulfillment that I deserve? Is
16:40
Speaker 1: it going to provide me with the stepping stones? And
16:43
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going into a role they go,
16:45
Speaker 1: it's forty grand. They have absolutely no other career options
16:48
Speaker 1: on the table. Other think about it because you don't
16:51
Speaker 1: want to feel stuck. But I do think it's not
16:54
Speaker 1: a bad thing to take a pay cut to move forward.
16:57
Speaker 1: And on that as well, I also think it's a
17:00
Speaker 1: limiting belief to think that if you're going to move industries,
17:04
Speaker 1: you actually have to go back to the start of
17:06
Speaker 1: another industry's pay levels or another industries expectations. Let's just
17:11
Speaker 1: use an example of psych versus finance, because I obviously
17:14
Speaker 1: understand both of those. I guess career journeys. I worked
17:18
Speaker 1: in psychology, I when in as I said before, got
17:20
Speaker 1: like a junior grad job and started working and consulting.
17:24
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I don't have workplace experience. I might
17:27
Speaker 1: have a lot of workplace experience, just not in that
17:30
Speaker 1: particular area, but I brought I would argue a lot
17:33
Speaker 1: of value over to finance. So then working in the
17:36
Speaker 1: financial advice space, I could engage with clients better than
17:41
Speaker 1: my colleagues because I had that background in finance. And
17:44
Speaker 1: I was actually a lot better at a few things
17:46
Speaker 1: than the other financial advisors, purely because I had a
17:49
Speaker 1: different level of experience, But then they were much better
17:52
Speaker 1: at a lot of other things, arguably a lot more
17:55
Speaker 1: things than I was. And that's okay, But I think
17:57
Speaker 1: we really limit ourselves by going, Oh, work in accounting,
18:01
Speaker 1: and I want to go work in marketing, and I'd
18:02
Speaker 1: have to start again.
18:03
Speaker 2: It's just no pointment.
18:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's kind of like when stay at home mums
18:06
Speaker 1: tell me that they have absolutely no skills and I
18:09
Speaker 1: just like want to shake them and go, what do
18:11
Speaker 1: you mean You're telling me you raised children and managed
18:15
Speaker 1: an entire household and had all of the planning and
18:18
Speaker 1: literally everything that you've had to do, and you say
18:20
Speaker 1: that that's not a valuable skill. Like I can't even
18:23
Speaker 1: turn up to places on time at the moment, and
18:26
Speaker 1: you ran other people's schedules consistently. Like, let's reframe our
18:30
Speaker 1: experiences and remember that what we are doing is valuable,
18:34
Speaker 1: and that just because you want to start in a
18:37
Speaker 1: different career path doesn't mean you have to completely start
18:40
Speaker 1: from scratch.
18:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you do have so many skills that would
18:42
Speaker 2: be transferred Exactly, you haven't even thought of that good one. Okay,
18:45
Speaker 2: So what if we're getting on and we're thinking, maybe
18:49
Speaker 2: it's too late to make a change. I've got a
18:51
Speaker 2: mate V who's my age. He's twenty seven and he's
18:54
Speaker 2: just starting a psych degree.
18:56
Speaker 1: And that I thought you were about to say that
18:58
Speaker 1: you've got a mate who's twenty seven and thinks it's
19:01
Speaker 1: too late, And I was like, whoa, gee, that is
19:03
Speaker 1: you're right so old.
19:05
Speaker 2: But I'm sure he did pause and to think, maybe
19:08
Speaker 2: this is not for me. Maybe I should stick with
19:10
Speaker 2: what I'm doing because a psych degree is what's seven
19:12
Speaker 2: or eight years, give or take a few. It's a
19:15
Speaker 2: big commitment. So coming to that decision would have been
19:18
Speaker 2: really tough for him. But how do you know if
19:20
Speaker 2: it's too late? Is it never too late?
19:21
Speaker 1: I don't believe that.
19:22
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted you to say.
19:23
Speaker 1: Oh, oh good, I'm glad. I was like, I really
19:25
Speaker 1: don't think that there's anything as too late. Like my
19:28
Speaker 1: mum went back and studied while I was in primary school,
19:31
Speaker 1: and like she's the coorse person I know. Like I
19:33
Speaker 1: feel like it's one of those things that if you
19:35
Speaker 1: want to do it, just go do it. Go study. Obviously,
19:38
Speaker 1: there's you know, a lot of logistics around making sure
19:40
Speaker 1: that that's going to be possible, and I'm not taking
19:42
Speaker 1: those into consideration right now while having this conversation. But
19:45
Speaker 1: if you want to go do it, just do it.
19:47
Speaker 1: Because if you're forty, great, you still have more than
19:51
Speaker 1: twenty years at least of work that you need to
19:55
Speaker 1: do before you retire, unless you're like super inture, I
19:58
Speaker 1: don't have family, wealth, who knows, but you have so
20:01
Speaker 1: much time left. So even forty fifty fifty, you've got
20:04
Speaker 1: more than fifteen years left and at this rate, we're
20:07
Speaker 1: not even retiring at sixty five anymore, retiring at seventy
20:10
Speaker 1: seventy five. Our ages are increasing, And I genuinely don't
20:13
Speaker 1: believe that anything is too late. And I think that
20:16
Speaker 1: a lot of people start thinking that, especially as they
20:18
Speaker 1: approach thirty. They're like, Wow, this, I guess is what
20:21
Speaker 1: I'm stuck doing now, And you're like, it's not true.
20:23
Speaker 1: And I think in twenty twenty one, we have so
20:26
Speaker 1: much opportunity, Like, we have so much ability to fit
20:29
Speaker 1: study and further education into our lives in a way
20:33
Speaker 1: that wasn't afforded to us twenty years ago. You can
20:35
Speaker 1: study online, you can study at a university in a
20:38
Speaker 1: different country if you want to while living in Australia.
20:41
Speaker 1: And I think that that's an opportunity that a lot
20:43
Speaker 1: of us just don't think about. You can do night school,
20:46
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. And I think that
20:48
Speaker 1: it is so cool. And if you've been feeling like
20:51
Speaker 1: it's too late, there's no such thing as too late.
20:54
Speaker 2: And also it doesn't mean that your whole career up
20:56
Speaker 2: until this point has been for nothing, because.
20:58
Speaker 1: Absolutely you've got all of those skills exactly and it's
21:01
Speaker 1: always transferable. And I always find it interesting because I,
21:05
Speaker 1: you know, you speak to other business owners, and most
21:07
Speaker 1: of my friends are incredible business owners. But I've come
21:09
Speaker 1: across other business owners who are like, oh, yeah, like
21:11
Speaker 1: I can just not find anyone with the experience I need.
21:14
Speaker 1: Like okay, great, but like where are you looking? And
21:17
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I need them to fit this exact criteria. Like,
21:19
Speaker 1: for example, if they're looking for somebody to do an
21:22
Speaker 1: admin role, they'll be like, yeah, but they've never worked
21:24
Speaker 1: an admin. I'm like, so, have you found the right person?
21:27
Speaker 1: Have you found the right fit? Like, have you found
21:29
Speaker 1: someone that you think you can train? Like you can't
21:31
Speaker 1: train people to be kind and nice, but you can
21:34
Speaker 1: train them to do the technical skills that you need
21:36
Speaker 1: them to do. And I just feel like it's so
21:38
Speaker 1: limiting thinking that taking on a staff member that hasn't
21:40
Speaker 1: worked in your industry before isn't going to be a
21:43
Speaker 1: benefit to you. Because as an employer who has taken
21:46
Speaker 1: on people from different industries who have had absolutely no
21:50
Speaker 1: experience in the roles that they are now employed in,
21:52
Speaker 1: it's best decision I ever made.
21:54
Speaker 2: So Macy from our group B is in her twenties
21:57
Speaker 2: and she's looking at a career change, but she says
21:59
Speaker 2: that she feels really overwhelmed by the options available to her,
22:03
Speaker 2: which makes sense because there are a lot of cold
22:06
Speaker 2: analysis paralysis, absolutely, But so she said that she's worried
22:10
Speaker 2: that she'll kind of spend years and years studying and
22:12
Speaker 2: then she'll arrive at the end of that point and
22:14
Speaker 2: still not really like what she's dedicated that time too,
22:18
Speaker 2: that she might still be disappointed with the option she's chosen.
22:21
Speaker 2: How do you figure out what you want to do
22:22
Speaker 2: and how do you kind of navigate that feeling of overwhelm.
22:25
Speaker 1: It's a fluffy answer again, Jie me girls. It's literally
22:29
Speaker 1: about just understanding what you want to do and again
22:32
Speaker 1: just really thinking about what spark's joy in me. And
22:35
Speaker 1: I know that that's really hard to do for a
22:38
Speaker 1: lot of people. But sitting down with a pen and
22:40
Speaker 1: paper and just writing out they're silly things that really
22:43
Speaker 1: make you happy will start getting it flowing. Whether that
22:46
Speaker 1: is morning coffees or like talking to your dog or
22:49
Speaker 1: you know, you can start with those things and start
22:51
Speaker 1: to flow into other things. Don't put too much pressure
22:53
Speaker 1: on yourself. You don't need to start listening out, do
22:55
Speaker 1: you know what I really like working on specific client projects? Like,
22:58
Speaker 1: that's not going to be helpful. I actually want you
23:01
Speaker 1: to think about the things that make you happy and
23:02
Speaker 1: what brings you energy and what actually takes the energy
23:05
Speaker 1: away from you, because we don't want to be doing
23:08
Speaker 1: those things, and then I'd also be doing a little
23:10
Speaker 1: bit of creeping. What are the outcomes of your degree?
23:13
Speaker 1: So let's go back to psychology. What are the outcomes
23:16
Speaker 1: that you would be able to achieve if you finished
23:19
Speaker 1: a psych degree? What are those careers? Have a little
23:21
Speaker 1: bit of a snoop around LinkedIn and see what other
23:24
Speaker 1: people with that degree have done and have a think about,
23:27
Speaker 1: well would I do that job? What does that look like?
23:29
Speaker 1: What's their career history looked like? And that's something that
23:33
Speaker 1: can really help you because you can search by jobs
23:35
Speaker 1: and degrees and stuff like that and see what people
23:37
Speaker 1: are doing. So snoop around see what people are up to,
23:41
Speaker 1: not because you want to hit them up, but just
23:43
Speaker 1: because you're like interested in what these people's journeys look like,
23:47
Speaker 1: because it can be really bland when you get the
23:49
Speaker 1: careers manual from your university and you're reading through it
23:52
Speaker 1: and they've got this list of jobs that you might
23:54
Speaker 1: be able to ascertain. What does that actually mean? Yeah,
23:57
Speaker 1: and furthering that, go and talk to people in that area.
24:01
Speaker 1: Go and have a chat with someone who works as
24:03
Speaker 1: a psychologist. Us then what they love. And I've said
24:06
Speaker 1: this on a podcast before. Human beings are self centered.
24:10
Speaker 1: Human beings love talking about themselves. Why the hell do
24:13
Speaker 1: you think we have a podcast? Georg job?
24:15
Speaker 2: That's true.
24:15
Speaker 1: So if you've find someone on LinkedIn that you think
24:17
Speaker 1: has had a pretty interesting career journey, ask to buy
24:20
Speaker 1: them a coffee. Say hey, Tony, I think that your
24:23
Speaker 1: job's pretty cool. I know that this is pretty out there,
24:26
Speaker 1: but I'd love to shout you with coffee and just
24:28
Speaker 1: ask you some questions about where you're going. Because I'm
24:30
Speaker 1: on a point in my life where i'm studying the
24:32
Speaker 1: degree that I can see you've studied. I just don't
24:34
Speaker 1: know what my next steps are. And more often than yes,
24:36
Speaker 1: people will be so flattered that you're interested in what
24:39
Speaker 1: they're up to. And I've done that before so many times,
24:44
Speaker 1: and I think that it's just a really smart step.
24:46
Speaker 1: If you don't have people in your personal network that
24:49
Speaker 1: you can turn to, like use a community that is
24:51
Speaker 1: surrounding you, because that's what LinkedIn's for, right, It's for networking.
24:55
Speaker 2: And people are so nice, Like, people are so generous
24:58
Speaker 2: with their time, and they want to help other people
25:00
Speaker 2: and younger people. Like being a mentor is a really
25:03
Speaker 2: special thing. I can imagine a mentor to no one.
25:06
Speaker 1: You're a mentor to me, Georgia. Hey thanks girl, But
25:09
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true. Right. People love being able to
25:12
Speaker 1: give back. And you know what, if someone replies to
25:14
Speaker 1: you and says, no, Georgia, I don't want to do that.
25:17
Speaker 1: Don't take offense, like you don't know what's going on
25:19
Speaker 1: in their life. Maybe they don't have time, maybe they
25:21
Speaker 1: don't have the confidence to have a chat with you.
25:24
Speaker 1: Maybe they just don't feel like it that week. And
25:26
Speaker 1: that's okay, but don't take that no personally. Try again,
25:29
Speaker 1: find someone else that you could connect to.
25:32
Speaker 2: The Other thing b is that it's really hard that
25:34
Speaker 2: we make these big career decisions when we're seventeen eighteen
25:37
Speaker 2: years old at the end of high school. Our brains
25:40
Speaker 2: aren't even fully formed. I don't I feel like they're not.
25:42
Speaker 1: They're not. I think your brain fully forms at the
25:44
Speaker 1: age of twenty five so how are you making decisions
25:48
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life at eighteen?
25:49
Speaker 2: I don't know.
25:50
Speaker 1: And it's not even eighteen. You're asked to start choosing
25:53
Speaker 1: your Like you're eleven and twelve subjects at the age
25:55
Speaker 1: of sixteen, and you're made to think about it at
25:57
Speaker 1: fifteen you don't even know what real were kids. Then
26:00
Speaker 1: you just annoyed that your mom tells you to get
26:02
Speaker 1: out of bed at eleven am, Like, that is not
26:05
Speaker 1: the time that you should be choosing your future career
26:07
Speaker 1: if you ask me.
26:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot going on at that time. But
26:10
Speaker 2: it does make sense that we're choosing these we're making
26:13
Speaker 2: these big decisions when we're so young, and then later
26:15
Speaker 2: in life like, oh God, are chosen correctly? Like it
26:18
Speaker 2: makes sense?
26:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I don't think you should be hard
26:21
Speaker 1: on yourself if you have made the wrong decision or
26:24
Speaker 1: you feel like you're just not in the right place,
26:26
Speaker 1: because you can find the right place, but you've actually
26:28
Speaker 1: got to give yourself permission to find it first, and
26:31
Speaker 1: that can be really hard because it does feel like
26:34
Speaker 1: you're admitting defeat, and that can be really hard, especially
26:37
Speaker 1: after you've spent and in my situation, for a while,
26:40
Speaker 1: I did feel like I'd wasted six years of my
26:43
Speaker 1: life studying that I know wasn't going to use in
26:46
Speaker 1: a future career. And now retrospectively, I'm like, well, that's
26:49
Speaker 1: why I'm okay at what I do. That's what has
26:52
Speaker 1: actually created me into who I am, and it's provided
26:55
Speaker 1: me with not only experiences, but friends, and I've got
26:59
Speaker 1: this education that I can lean on. But let's not
27:01
Speaker 1: talk about the six figures have helped it. I still have.
27:04
Speaker 2: All Right, we will be back after a very short
27:07
Speaker 2: break where we'll be pivoting a little bit to have
27:09
Speaker 2: a more broad chat about career. Pomo.
27:13
Speaker 1: See, I told you you wanted to be netball.
27:15
Speaker 2: You know, I did used to want to be in it.
27:17
Speaker 1: I know, why do you think I'm I'm smarter than
27:21
Speaker 1: I am, Georgia. Let's go to a break.
27:33
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, Please remember that conversations like this one happen
27:37
Speaker 2: every day in our Facebook group. They have it on Instagram.
27:40
Speaker 2: Join us, guys, let's jump back into the show. V.
27:44
Speaker 1: So, before we jump back into the show, I'm just
27:48
Speaker 1: having a look at our script before we record the show. Guys,
27:50
Speaker 1: we sit down and we write a list of things
27:53
Speaker 1: that we want to talk about and have a whole
27:55
Speaker 1: heap of dot points, and often these dot points don't
27:57
Speaker 1: have a lot of context. And George's written one down
28:00
Speaker 1: that I really want to touch on before she actually
28:03
Speaker 1: talks about the next you know, dot point she's got,
28:06
Speaker 1: And that's G King's potato farmer story. What is the
28:11
Speaker 1: G King potato farmers story? And why was that essential
28:14
Speaker 1: to our document.
28:16
Speaker 2: For our this week? So glad that I wrote that down? Okay,
28:19
Speaker 2: So basically it was tied to our conversation about figuring
28:24
Speaker 2: out your careers in high school and you wanted to
28:26
Speaker 2: be a potato I didn't want to be a potato farmer.
28:29
Speaker 2: We did one of those careers tests where you like,
28:32
Speaker 2: plug in what you're good at, what your passions are,
28:35
Speaker 2: do little tests and G King destined to be a
28:38
Speaker 2: potato farmer?
28:39
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yes? I'm so glad, I asked people.
28:43
Speaker 2: So it obviously didn't work out, But how bizarre I
28:47
Speaker 2: can't remember what I would have plugged in, like likes
28:51
Speaker 2: exercise and potato.
28:53
Speaker 1: I do love the potato. Yeah, yeah, maybe that makes sense.
28:57
Speaker 2: It's not too late for me, It isn't it's too late.
29:00
Speaker 1: Never too late. If you want to be a potato farmer,
29:02
Speaker 1: you absolutely can. All right, let's move on from the
29:04
Speaker 1: potato farmer story. Georgia, I believe you're gonna go Eat
29:08
Speaker 1: Pray Love on me now? Yes, So I.
29:10
Speaker 2: Wanted to talk about how carea isn't necessarily going to
29:14
Speaker 2: be a priority for everyone because there is there seems
29:17
Speaker 2: to be a lot of press. Yes, okay, So Liz
29:21
Speaker 2: Gilbert Eat Pray Love, friend of the show, just kidding
29:24
Speaker 2: she could be? Where can she be a big shoes
29:26
Speaker 2: on the Money fan?
29:27
Speaker 1: Actually you reckon?
29:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very woo woo very Could we bes with
29:31
Speaker 2: Oprah too?
29:31
Speaker 1: Is? I think should be a bucket list of people
29:34
Speaker 1: that we can start Get on the show? Yeah, get
29:36
Speaker 1: on the show.
29:37
Speaker 2: Can you imagine special guest Oprah? Anyway, so Liz wrote
29:42
Speaker 2: she wrote Eat Pray Love, but she also spoke a
29:46
Speaker 2: few years ago now I think about careers and how
29:49
Speaker 2: we should separate our careers from our jobs, our hobbies,
29:53
Speaker 2: and our vocations. So the essence of what she was
29:57
Speaker 2: trying to say was that our nine to five job
30:00
Speaker 2: shouldn't and doesn't need to necessarily tick every single box.
30:04
Speaker 2: Can you please flush that out for us?
30:06
Speaker 1: I can I mean, Eat, Pray Love is not a book.
30:09
Speaker 1: I can say I have deeply read a number of
30:12
Speaker 1: times and followed, It's not not my vibe. I more like,
30:15
Speaker 1: eat eat, Eat love Eat. That's okay. But yeah, I
30:19
Speaker 1: think it's really important to realize that who we are
30:22
Speaker 1: at work is not necessarily what defines us. And side note,
30:26
Speaker 1: I have a separate private Facebook group for people who
30:29
Speaker 1: are doing the budget and Cashulow master class that I
30:32
Speaker 1: engage with right so if you've been doing that, you
30:34
Speaker 1: would have seen this. But it was a beautiful post
30:37
Speaker 1: from a woman who had completely changed her financial life,
30:40
Speaker 1: which was wild, and she was feeling really bad because
30:44
Speaker 1: she had been discharged from the army due to PTSD,
30:48
Speaker 1: and you know, had always felt really guilty about not
30:51
Speaker 1: being able to work and hated that people asked her
30:54
Speaker 1: always first question, Oh hi Georgia, so nice to meet you.
30:57
Speaker 1: What do you do for work? And she always felt
31:00
Speaker 1: find by that question. And I think that side note
31:02
Speaker 1: here is important because our careers don't define us. But
31:06
Speaker 1: it's very easy to ask someone what they do. Totally
31:09
Speaker 1: do that's the first question, And I think we really
31:12
Speaker 1: need to redefine that because what we do for work
31:14
Speaker 1: doesn't define us as people, and I don't want to
31:17
Speaker 1: as much as I clearly have a platform and people
31:19
Speaker 1: know me as Victoria the financial Advisor, like to my
31:22
Speaker 1: friends and family, that's not who I am, and it's
31:24
Speaker 1: not who I want to be remembered as. And I
31:26
Speaker 1: don't want to get all the way down, you know,
31:28
Speaker 1: to my own funeral and be a bit woo woo here.
31:31
Speaker 1: I don't want someone reading a eulogy being like, well,
31:34
Speaker 1: she was a financial advisor, Like I want people to
31:37
Speaker 1: talk about my impact and how kind I was and
31:39
Speaker 1: that I was a nice person, And I want to
31:42
Speaker 1: be remembered by those people around me for how I
31:44
Speaker 1: made them feel, not the job that I did. And
31:46
Speaker 1: I think that that's a really important thing to point
31:49
Speaker 1: out that, you know, if you feel bad when people
31:51
Speaker 1: ask you what you do because you haven't found your
31:53
Speaker 1: dream career yet, or you're not there yet, or you're
31:55
Speaker 1: not working like, it's not something you should be embarrassed about.
31:59
Speaker 1: I think it's find that thing that you are really
32:01
Speaker 1: confident responding with, So talk about a hobby, talk about
32:04
Speaker 1: something else that sparks that joy in you. But it's
32:07
Speaker 1: not something that I think should define us.
32:09
Speaker 2: So it's also been very often not the most interesting
32:13
Speaker 2: thing about a person.
32:14
Speaker 1: No, no, because like, hey, j what do you do?
32:17
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do I do?
32:18
Speaker 1: I don't really know? No, But you would say, oh, cool,
32:20
Speaker 1: I work in social media. I'd be like, okay, cool,
32:23
Speaker 1: like and I mean, you can start a conversation about that.
32:25
Speaker 1: But I genuinely think that you won't have as deeper
32:29
Speaker 1: conversation and learn much about a person if you say, oh, cool,
32:32
Speaker 1: what are you doing your job? Well, did you want
32:34
Speaker 1: my job description? You can read it and you can
32:36
Speaker 1: probably understand really deeply what I do. But why don't
32:39
Speaker 1: we ask someone like, how's your week been? What have
32:42
Speaker 1: you been up to this week? How are you feeling? Like?
32:44
Speaker 1: What do you do for fun? Or do you have
32:46
Speaker 1: a hobby or do you like pets or whatever? You
32:48
Speaker 1: want to ask them? That isn't their job. And I
32:50
Speaker 1: guarantee you you'll have a deeper conversation with somebody because
32:54
Speaker 1: you actually learn something about them, Because too many times
32:57
Speaker 1: I've done it too. I go into a componation with
33:00
Speaker 1: someone and we're like, Hi, George, is so nice to
33:02
Speaker 1: meet you, And then you tell me what you're do
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh cool, and then you just don't
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Speaker 1: know where to go from there because I haven't really
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Speaker 1: learned anything about you and I don't feel like I've
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Speaker 1: really engaged with you, and it's just not nice. I
33:13
Speaker 1: don't like it. Stop doing that. Let's cancel asking people
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Speaker 1: what they do as a first off the back.
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Speaker 2: Question done, Thanks, canceled. Okay, so let's go back to
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Speaker 2: this job, career, vocation, hobby thing. So basically the job,
33:26
Speaker 2: that's the thing you do nine to five. That's what
33:28
Speaker 2: pays the bills. And everybody needs a job, you know,
33:32
Speaker 2: most they don't.
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Speaker 1: You need Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Well, then your set that's your job, you know what
33:36
Speaker 2: I mean?
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Speaker 1: Can that be my job? Where do I apply?
33:39
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice?
33:41
Speaker 1: It would be I'd be bored.
33:43
Speaker 2: So your career is then something you're deeply passionate about
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Speaker 2: pursuing and something you're really dedicated to. So not everyone
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Speaker 2: actually needs one of those, but some people crave having
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Speaker 2: a career and that's what really fulfills them. So for you,
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Speaker 2: that would be being a financial advisor.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love what I do, and that's the thing
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Speaker 1: that I get frustrated with because a lot of people like, oh,
34:02
Speaker 1: don't work so hard. I'm like, oh yeah, but I
34:04
Speaker 1: love it. And often I'm the one that's stum to
34:07
Speaker 1: people like what do you do for fun? Like she's
34:09
Speaker 1: on the money, I am going my Facebook group. Yeah yeah,
34:13
Speaker 1: but don't you have like a hobby or something. And
34:14
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I have a cat, I have two cats,
34:17
Speaker 1: I have a dog. And then I sound crazy, but
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Speaker 1: that's okay.
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Speaker 2: And you know why, because this leads into the next point,
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Speaker 2: is because she's on the money. And what you do
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Speaker 2: in changing women's lives and empowering us all and educating
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Speaker 2: us all, that is your vocation. It is indeed, my friend,
34:30
Speaker 2: this is the one that's a little harder to wrap
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Speaker 2: your head around. So I'm going to quote friend of
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Speaker 2: the Show Liz Gilbert. A vocation, in quotation marks guys,
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Speaker 2: is like a sacred calling of something that is very
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Speaker 2: holy to you.
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Speaker 1: Right, I don't like this.
34:42
Speaker 2: It is the center of your life that you know
34:44
Speaker 2: can ever be taken away from you no matter what.
34:46
Speaker 2: So say someone came in tomorrow and they were like,
34:49
Speaker 2: she's on the money, shut down for whatever reason, you
34:52
Speaker 2: would still keep on doing what you do because that's
34:54
Speaker 2: your driving force. So that is kind of what that means.
34:57
Speaker 2: I understand this better than I think I do. I do.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to be a careers advisor and tell
35:02
Speaker 1: people to be potato farmers.
35:04
Speaker 2: Or maybe I'll write an award winning novel and I
35:07
Speaker 2: would like to see a motion picture film that would
35:10
Speaker 2: be very good. Maybe we'll move to Bali full time.
35:13
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice? One day press covid. Finally, a
35:17
Speaker 2: hobby is a hobby. You know, you get it no
35:20
Speaker 2: monetary return for it. You might like making jewelry, so
35:22
Speaker 2: you might do that just for funnel whatever. But the
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Speaker 2: message is nine to five doesn't have to be your everything.
35:28
Speaker 2: So just remember that, guys and gals.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will post a link in the show
35:32
Speaker 1: notes to an interview of Les talking about it, because
35:35
Speaker 1: it explains it more articularly just in Georgia. But you
35:37
Speaker 1: did it really well and it was actually a really
35:40
Speaker 1: good interview to read through as well. So I think
35:42
Speaker 1: that would be, you know, a little bonus something on
35:45
Speaker 1: the side for you guys.
35:47
Speaker 2: Okay, let's move on. Be Fomo plays a part in
35:50
Speaker 2: a lot of our lives in many ways.
35:52
Speaker 1: It does, indeed, career.
35:53
Speaker 2: Wise, talk to me about it because I feel like
35:54
Speaker 2: it does creep in there.
35:56
Speaker 1: It does. I feel like we compare our journey to
35:59
Speaker 1: that of other people, and we often do see people
36:01
Speaker 1: who have these big careers and feel like that is
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Speaker 1: the goal or the dream or the expectation. But it's
36:07
Speaker 1: not about what other people are doing. It's about what
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Speaker 1: you're doing. And some of my best friends don't want
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Speaker 1: a career. They want to be a mum and that
36:16
Speaker 1: is so special and so nice, and I'm so grateful
36:19
Speaker 1: that they're in positions where they're going to be able
36:21
Speaker 1: to do that, and for me, that's what they should
36:24
Speaker 1: be chasing. And I think that a lot of people
36:26
Speaker 1: feel like those people with careers judge other people who
36:29
Speaker 1: aren't doing the same thing as them or doing quote
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Speaker 1: as much as they are, and it's just not the case.
36:34
Speaker 1: So something I've been talking about internally with the team,
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Speaker 1: but you're not in the team, Georgia, because you have
36:38
Speaker 1: another job and you're never in the office. We don't
36:41
Speaker 1: get my ra You're in the team, just not in
36:43
Speaker 1: the office. It's very sad. But we've been talking about
36:46
Speaker 1: how people above you will never look down on you.
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Speaker 1: It's always the people below you who are looking at
36:51
Speaker 1: you and judging you. The people who are actually flying
36:54
Speaker 1: in their careers, they don't have time to think about what.
36:56
Speaker 1: They don't care, They really don't because they're focused on them,
37:00
Speaker 1: and that's what you should be doing. The people who
37:02
Speaker 1: have time for judgment and hate and making you feel
37:05
Speaker 1: bad about your work, where do they have the time
37:07
Speaker 1: for that, Where do they have the energy and why
37:09
Speaker 1: are they contributing so much time and energy to that.
37:12
Speaker 1: It's usually a reflection of their own insecurities and what
37:16
Speaker 1: they're feeling inside, and it has absolutely nothing to do
37:18
Speaker 1: with you. So I think it's really important to see that.
37:21
Speaker 1: But in a world where social media is psycho even
37:24
Speaker 1: platforms like LinkedIn, which we've been talking about, present a
37:27
Speaker 1: really certain image of different industries and what it can
37:30
Speaker 1: be really like to have a career in that space.
37:32
Speaker 1: And I just think it's so hard to live in
37:35
Speaker 1: a world where LinkedIn and Instagram and Facebook and literally
37:38
Speaker 1: TikTok and every other social media platform popping up. It's
37:42
Speaker 1: never someone's true experience, Like we only put things on
37:47
Speaker 1: social media when we genuinely have time to do that,
37:49
Speaker 1: and that's usually when we're having fun and it's a
37:51
Speaker 1: highlight reel of what's going on in your life, not
37:53
Speaker 1: the true experience of it. So I think we really
37:56
Speaker 1: need to remember that. As much as I've said this
37:58
Speaker 1: on the show before, I know it's hard. I do it.
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Speaker 1: I look at other people on Instagram and I'm like, Wow,
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Speaker 1: that's so cool. I wish I could do that, and
38:05
Speaker 1: I sometimes have to take a step back and go, Nah,
38:08
Speaker 1: that's not for me. I just want what they've got
38:11
Speaker 1: because I've seen it so often. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you never see like the hours poured in
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Speaker 2: that they're you know, when they're trudging away, working hard,
38:19
Speaker 2: getting up early, Like, you don't see that. You just
38:20
Speaker 2: see the fun after work drinks.
38:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know exactly.
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Speaker 2: Alrighty, So to wrap today's show, Finding a career we
38:28
Speaker 2: love is hard, but if you want to make the switch,
38:31
Speaker 2: the best thing you can do is to gather as
38:33
Speaker 2: much information you can about the new industry you're planning
38:36
Speaker 2: on entering. Do your Google searches, find who you are,
38:40
Speaker 2: chat to people who are in the industry, make the
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Speaker 2: most move to absolutely and what else. Volunteer if you
38:48
Speaker 2: can as well.
38:49
Speaker 1: If you're toes in the water of different industries in
38:52
Speaker 1: different ways. Just because you think you want to work
38:54
Speaker 1: in marketing doesn't mean you do. So go to the
38:57
Speaker 1: industry events you know, volunteer for something, go talk to
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Speaker 1: people on LinkedIn, and actually understand what you're getting into
39:03
Speaker 1: before you do, because a lot of us pick careers
39:06
Speaker 1: based on what we assume the experience is going to
39:09
Speaker 1: be like, not what the actual experience is. Yes, hands dirty,
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Speaker 1: fist your hands dirty, become a potato farmer. Love it
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