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198. Drugged Without Consent, Addiction & the Long Road Back to Self with Margot Miller · She Rises with Ashy & Tijana

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  Speaker 1: Apodje Production.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashy and I'm Tiana.
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  Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to
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  Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone
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  Speaker 2: else is too afraid to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self. Welcome back
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  Speaker 3: to another episode of She Rises. We've got Ashley, Tiana,
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  Speaker 3: and a very special guest. Today, we have Margot joining
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  Speaker 3: us from the US. Hi, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 3: joining us today. We have a lot to talk about today.
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  Speaker 3: I personally have been following your content for a little
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  Speaker 3: while and I get stuck in doom scrolls of your
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  Speaker 3: content all of the time I'm sending it to Ash.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, you've got to hear what this woman has
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  Speaker 3: got to say, because she has a lot to say.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I know personally been through a lot of things in
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  Speaker 3: your live things like public humiliation. You've also spent ten
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  Speaker 3: years in and out of hospital. You've also been drugged
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  Speaker 3: with went against it will. We have so so much
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  Speaker 3: to talk about, so we would love for you to
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  Speaker 3: just share a little bit about yourself and like tell
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  Speaker 3: us about you, tell us about little Muger and where
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  Speaker 3: your story began.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 4: So I always joke that I started off on like
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  Speaker 4: a weird note coming into planet Earth. I was born
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  Speaker 4: with a birthmark on the left side my face, which
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  Speaker 4: if I take off my makeup you can.
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  Speaker 1: Still see it.
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  Speaker 4: And like, nowadays it's super cool, everyone's like going viral
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  Speaker 4: for their birthmarks. But like where I grew up, they
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  Speaker 4: basically treated me like I was deformed, like there was
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  Speaker 4: something really wrong with me.
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  Speaker 1: So I was actually one of the first kids to
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  Speaker 1: undergo all these like major procedures. I was on the news.
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  Speaker 4: We had to take my entire auditorium together and like
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  Speaker 4: show my class like this is what a birthmark is.
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  Speaker 4: Like I had never even seen another person with one
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  Speaker 4: until I was like an adult.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like Jesus, like why was there something
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  Speaker 1: wrong with me? Like why do I have this thing? Why?
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  Speaker 4: And like my parents, bless them, they were like trying
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  Speaker 4: to like help me, you fit in, so they started
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  Speaker 4: hiding it. So I was either like getting surgeries or
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  Speaker 4: I was having makeup put on my face to try
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  Speaker 4: to like not get picked on. And then I went
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  Speaker 4: to a Catholic school where you're not allowed to wear makeup.
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  Speaker 1: It's just stressful beginning, yeah, to her life.
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  Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I came in feeling very different.
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  Speaker 4: I also couldn't read or write, like I have every
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  Speaker 4: learning disability known to mankind.
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  Speaker 1: I joke that I'm like still slightly illiterate.
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  Speaker 4: I would just make up words when teachers like called
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  Speaker 4: on me, and then I was like called basically deformed,
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  Speaker 4: and people would always be like, what's wrong with your face?
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  Speaker 4: So I just came in feeling like, wow, this is
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  Speaker 4: a little rougher than I had hoped.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that judgment as well, and that coming from teachers
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  Speaker 3: as well is such a hard thing to deal with
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  Speaker 3: when you're such a young age as well, Like we
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  Speaker 3: don't know how to deal with that level of pressure
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  Speaker 3: or like even receiving somebody else's judgment put on us,
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  Speaker 3: because it becomes like our internal dialogue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and those first seven years are so important. We're
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  Speaker 2: absorbing what everyone's thinking and saying about us, So that
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  Speaker 2: would have been really tough.
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  Speaker 4: We also forget with our generation, like we're so used
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  Speaker 4: to like social media and putting things out there. But
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  Speaker 4: like when I grew up, like it wasn't normalized to
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  Speaker 4: like talk about things.
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  Speaker 1: Ord be like, hey are you feeling today? Do feel
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  Speaker 1: shame about where you look?
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  Speaker 4: Have many conversations but I'm being like tortured and.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: So it's like you internalize a lot more when there
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  Speaker 4: isn't a healthy dialogue around what's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Very true, how old are you do, mommy? Asking?
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  Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight, just turned thirty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm thirty seven, so very close in age. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So take us back to your childhood and then moving
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  Speaker 2: into your teen years and then your early twenties, because
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot happened in that time, Frank, can
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  Speaker 2: you kind of walk us through a bit of a process,
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  Speaker 2: is to the different stages of your life to where
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  Speaker 2: you are today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we started off, you know, feeling slightly deformed and illiterate,
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  Speaker 4: and that obviously created some insecurities growing up. And then
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  Speaker 4: you know, addiction runs really heavily in my family. So
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  Speaker 4: my sister and I both ended up in rehab before
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  Speaker 4: we could legally drink. And so I had a boyfriend
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  Speaker 4: at the time, and he kind of introduced me to drugs,
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  Speaker 4: and I never thought I would do them. I was
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  Speaker 4: like terrified of them. I actually didn't even know what
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  Speaker 4: I was taking. He'd just be like here, do this,
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  Speaker 4: do that. He ended up passing away. He had an overdose,
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  Speaker 4: cracked his head open and died. Yeah, super crazy. He
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  Speaker 4: had like such a bright spirit, but just like tortured
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  Speaker 4: with addiction.
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  Speaker 2: Is this teenage days around fifteen sixteen?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like nineteen. Actually my first drink when I was thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: I started really young, and I was scared of it,
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  Speaker 4: but I also loved the feeling of like not being
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  Speaker 4: in my body because I felt so tortured. Like the
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  Speaker 4: surgeries I had undergone were like incredible weeks at a
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  Speaker 4: time while I healed. So I was just like, get
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  Speaker 4: me off this planet. So you bring in, you know,
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  Speaker 4: alcohol and drugs, and I was like party. I actually
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  Speaker 4: went to a drinking school and they nicknamed me like
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  Speaker 4: Hank the Tank, and I would walk into parties and
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  Speaker 4: people would be like Hank Hank, and like it's crazy
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  Speaker 4: drinking alter ego. So long story short, like Hank Sank.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was like I don't really have a problem,
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  Speaker 4: like I don't. I don't really need to be here.
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  Speaker 4: Like I heard Sober for Life, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: get me the hell out of here. So my ex
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  Speaker 4: boyfriend's ex girlfriend came into rehab because rehab was like
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  Speaker 4: kind of trendy where we were, and she was like,
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  Speaker 4: do you want to run away?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like duh, get me out of here.
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  Speaker 4: So we run away, but she's a heroin addict and
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  Speaker 4: we go into like the ghetto and she's basically like
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  Speaker 4: getting drugs and I just wanted to like go party.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like nineteen whatever twenty at the time. I'm like
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  Speaker 4: I just want to be normal, hang out.
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  Speaker 1: With I want to go back to like partying and drinking.
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  Speaker 4: And then she was like, well I have to go
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  Speaker 4: back to rehab otherwise like my family's gonna kick me out.
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  Speaker 4: So we hi get back to rehab after like doing drugs,
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  Speaker 4: which I didn't do that many. I just like pop
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  Speaker 4: some pills and everyone was like shooting up heroin and
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  Speaker 4: like blood was like gush, yeah. And then she ends
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  Speaker 4: up literally like where I'm kind of like drugged on
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  Speaker 4: pill and she's like trying to like shoot me up
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  Speaker 4: with heroin, which I've never been shot up with heroin before,
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  Speaker 4: and it was like a dirty needle. By the way,
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  Speaker 4: she ends up drugging me against my will. I'm like
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  Speaker 4: screaming no, and the next thing I know, I'm like
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  Speaker 4: shot up with heroin. The rehab obviously sees that were
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  Speaker 4: drugged during the morning meeting. She gets sent to the
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  Speaker 4: psych word I get sent off to this detox and
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  Speaker 4: I was such a people pleaser at the time that
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  Speaker 4: I didn't want to like throw her into the bus.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, it's my fault, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't say, like I never wanted to do drugs.
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  Speaker 4: So then they had a family circle come, like my
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  Speaker 4: parents had to visit and they were like, tell your
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  Speaker 4: parents what you did. Tell them that you used your money.
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  Speaker 4: So in front of everyone, I was like, I did drugs.
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  Speaker 4: I did heroin. Like meanwhile, I just wanted to like drink.
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  Speaker 4: It was so humiliating. I was like, this isn't who
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  Speaker 4: I am. I'm just like ending up in these bad situations. Anyways,
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  Speaker 4: it was so traumatizing that I basically have never had
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  Speaker 4: a drink since or drug just like traumatized into sobriety.
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  Speaker 4: And then long story short, like it was not an
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  Speaker 4: easy road. It wasn't like I got sober and life
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  Speaker 4: got better. Life actually got like wait course for a while,
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  Speaker 4: ended up getting a neurological condition. Was better ridden for
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  Speaker 4: ten years? Wow, And so yeah, just a wild ride.
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  Speaker 1: So I kind of haven't had much of.
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  Speaker 4: A normal life up until maybe the last year and
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  Speaker 4: a half when I kind of came out of bed
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  Speaker 4: and blew up this brand.
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  Speaker 2: So can you tell us about this neurological Is it
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  Speaker 2: a disease or something that was brought on from drugs
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  Speaker 2: and alcohol? In like ten years bedridden?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was about twenty five twenty six. I
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  Speaker 4: had gone back to school at the time. I was
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  Speaker 4: about to like wrap up my grad school. I was
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  Speaker 4: about to get my PhD. And I was going to
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  Speaker 4: get a scholarship. And basically, like I had been in
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  Speaker 4: like fight or flight modes so long. People don't just
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  Speaker 4: kind of end up with this condition because life is
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  Speaker 4: going well. It's basically either like you get like a
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  Speaker 4: virus or you have like a compounding effect of trauma.
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  Speaker 4: So I was dating this guy at the time and
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  Speaker 4: he was like, oh, I've like murdered people, and he
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  Speaker 4: was having a schizophrenic breakdown. He thought that Eminem put
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  Speaker 4: a chip in his head and was like, you're the
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  Speaker 4: love of my life.
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like kind of scared for my
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  Speaker 1: life for a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't think it's going to work out
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  Speaker 5: with us, yeah yeah yeah, And he like knew where
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  Speaker 5: I lived and I was alone, so that I think
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  Speaker 5: the stress of that was like the tipping point, and
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  Speaker 5: my body was just like we can't do this anymore,
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  Speaker 5: and I just started I got like a flu one day,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like trying to push through it, and
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  Speaker 5: then one day I just like literally couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't walk.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, see what he kind of shut down from the stress,
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  Speaker 2: but actually couldn't function completely.
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  Speaker 4: And then for two years I went to doctor's offices
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  Speaker 4: and they either told me that I was going to
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  Speaker 4: die or they told me that it was in my head,
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  Speaker 4: and no one gave me a diagnosis until my friend
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  Speaker 4: who also had this illness, she actually passed away from it.
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  Speaker 4: She was our neighbor growing up, and she was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: I think you have this condition called emmy. I looked
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  Speaker 4: into it and then after that I was like diagnosed
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  Speaker 4: and they did brain scans and it can like show
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  Speaker 4: like you know, your quartersoul's supposed to be at like
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  Speaker 4: level eight. At nine, They're like, you're ready to like
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  Speaker 4: fight a saber tooth tiger. They were like, what happened
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  Speaker 4: to you? Because your brain's like fried. So like after that,
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  Speaker 4: I started to get the proper diagnosis.
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  Speaker 1: But they're like, well there's no cure.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I was just like, Okay, well I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: go live my best bedridd in life. So I moved
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  Speaker 4: to LA and I just started putting out my personality online.
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  Speaker 1: Like I started to get a little bit of a life.
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  Speaker 2: Would you say, I mean, you look like you're thriving now,
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  Speaker 2: so they say it's in cure will, but you're doing
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  Speaker 2: well now, So what would you say? Is kind of
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  Speaker 2: got you out of bed and back to health and
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  Speaker 2: back to feeling good and obviously doing really well for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my journey of healing was definitely not linear. Like
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  Speaker 4: I had a couple of near death experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you have lived ten lots.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, you gotta tell us all the details go.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna have to do a pop one, two and
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  Speaker 3: three hotly.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of hard for me to like consolidate all
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  Speaker 4: the eras. But yeah, so you know, part of it
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  Speaker 4: was me just being like fuck it, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: live my bad, bedridden in life. And I actually like
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  Speaker 4: started putting out my weird personality online and I became
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  Speaker 4: known as like America's spirit animal, and I was like
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  Speaker 4: really silly, but I was also like barely functioning, like
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  Speaker 4: was veterriand and all the time. Finally I found this
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  Speaker 4: group called CFS Health and they helped me like create
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  Speaker 4: a baseline, and then from there I was able to
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  Speaker 4: kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: Get out of bed.
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  Speaker 4: But then I had like a million setbacks, and then
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  Speaker 4: on the last near death experience, like my body shot
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  Speaker 4: out and came back, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: I was like in a different reality and that's when
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  Speaker 4: I was like officially out of bed.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think doing a little work on your nervous
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  Speaker 2: system just helped you get out of bed? Or was it?
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I need more details on how you.
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  Speaker 1: Actually yet that.
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  Speaker 4: So I listened to a lot of doctor Joe Despenza
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  Speaker 4: because he's basically like, you can heal yourself, which I
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  Speaker 4: was kind of forced to do because there was not
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  Speaker 4: a cure. Yeah, so I spent like, no joke, like
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  Speaker 4: two hours of a day rewiring my brain and I.
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  Speaker 1: Got really good at it.
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  Speaker 4: So I like pull my power back from my problems
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  Speaker 4: over and over and over and like my symptoms and
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  Speaker 4: my problems, and so that is like one of the
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  Speaker 4: biggest foundations of what helped me to kind of rewire
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  Speaker 4: myself and then started calling in better support.
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  Speaker 2: Well done, because the consistency of doing that and staying
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  Speaker 2: persistent would have been a lot like good on KNW.
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  Speaker 1: That's incredible. Yeah, I did it for three years.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't miss a single Okay, I went, I've gone
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  Speaker 4: to eat of his retreats, So I had like.
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  Speaker 3: So agreat that's so interesting. So obviously when you went
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  Speaker 3: through that experience with the forced heroine and going through
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  Speaker 3: that and then coming into the incurable disease phase of
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  Speaker 3: your life, like were there any signs of this happening
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  Speaker 3: in your body like from that moment of like that
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  Speaker 3: heroin situation, Like did you ever feel like I know
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  Speaker 3: that something's not right psychologically, like with all the things
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  Speaker 3: that I've experienced, the things that I've gone through, the
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  Speaker 3: toxic relationships and all of those things, Like I know
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  Speaker 3: you said you felt like you'd come into this world
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  Speaker 3: off on the wrong foot, you know, feeling like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my gosh, this is so tough already. But like, was
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  Speaker 3: there any part of you that felt like something just
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  Speaker 3: like wasn't right and that you actually needing support at
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  Speaker 3: that time or do you feel like you were kind
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  Speaker 3: of lost in that phase of life?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I always was like, you know, there's always can be worse, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like I could be homeless, I could not have food,
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  Speaker 4: But I just couldn't understand why, Like every chapter I
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  Speaker 4: was just so far off the norm. It was like
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  Speaker 4: I could never like sync up. And it wasn't like
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  Speaker 4: little hiccups or little health things.
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  Speaker 1: It was like these catastrophic getting totally derailed all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And I never understood it until I like created this
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  Speaker 4: brand and got out there with this business. Because even
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  Speaker 4: though in all those chapters, I was always coaching and
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  Speaker 4: supporting people, I was always mentoring people. Even from my
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  Speaker 4: literal bed when I couldn't walk, I was still healing
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  Speaker 4: people and helping people. So it's like all my life
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  Speaker 4: experience eriances keen together for this particular brand, and I've
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  Speaker 4: never had someone come to me and be like not
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  Speaker 4: get them unblocked or not understand their perspective or not
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  Speaker 4: understand where they're coming from.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for.
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  Speaker 4: All the detours I had to go down, because there's
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  Speaker 4: no way I could have the wisdom or the empathy
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  Speaker 4: that I do now.
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  Speaker 2: It's like turning pain into purpose. And we had another
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  Speaker 2: coach on once Lewis, who said, your biggest wound becomes
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  Speaker 2: your purpose. And like say, from mine for example, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up feeling very very alone and an abusive stepfather.
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  Speaker 2: I was always bullied at school. When my number one
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  Speaker 2: mission is to make women not feel alone. And then
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  Speaker 2: with yours, it was like a self worth, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I had an experience where my ex partner released
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  Speaker 3: a sex tape of us without my consent around my hometown.
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  Speaker 3: So I really resonate with the public humiliation part that
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  Speaker 3: you share online. And so that has been my purpose
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  Speaker 3: of bringing safety back into women's bodies and self trust
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  Speaker 3: and boundaries and knowing that they are their own leaders
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  Speaker 3: and that they can trust in that no matter what's
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  Speaker 3: happening around their lives.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the beautiful thing of the painful things that
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  Speaker 2: we go in life. We can find the gift and
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  Speaker 2: if if you had to go through that paint then
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  Speaker 2: help so many other people. I just see that was
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  Speaker 2: such a blessing. Yeah, you look back at all the
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  Speaker 2: painful things, I'm like, Wow, so glad that happened because
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  Speaker 2: it's helped me to be the woman I am today
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  Speaker 2: and now I get to help thousands of other women.
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  Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, But you know, I wonder like in
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  Speaker 3: that time over the you know, the ten years that
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  Speaker 3: you were in and out of hospital, I'm sure there
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  Speaker 3: would have been moments before you had done the work
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  Speaker 3: with the Joe Dispenser and rewiring your mind where I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, did anything come up for you in that
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  Speaker 3: time where you were just like fuck this.
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like a victim.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: This is shit?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Like why me? Like, can you like walk us through
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: the headspace that you were in, you know, when you
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: found out when you got diagnosed, Like what was happening,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: how you were feeling, and like what kind of headspace
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: were you in in that period of your life and
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: how did you kind of come out of that.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, even as you guys were sharing your experiences, it's
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: like in the moment, you have no idea what it's
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: going to unfold, and that's the hardest because when you're
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: in it, you're just like, what the fuck is this?
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Trusting you the bes?
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how the fuck are you? Trustworthy? Shamed?
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Humiliated like derailed, like abandoned, Like you're never.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: In that moment being like thank you.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling really positive.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Tonight, my love. Like no one is thinking like that's true.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: I'm grateful because the people I always work with are
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: like the most empowered people, Like I've never had to
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: look at someone like you're being a victim. But I
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: think in those moments we're allowed to be like it's
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: okay if you're like, what the fuck is this? It's
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: okay if you don't know. I think it's like yeah,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: of course. Like my default setting was like get me
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: the hell off this planet. Like you know, like I've
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: always had a really bright soul and a big personality,
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: and I can literally make the best out of you.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Hand me anything.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: I will be cracking jokes, but like a part of
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: me has just deeply struggled to be even if I'm
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: like not struggling, like I have really struggled to be
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: on this planet. Like I think that's been my biggest
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: default character is just like get me out of here.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: So one hundred percent when I had to get sober,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: I was like, this is the worst thing that's ever
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: happened to me in my entire.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Life, Like, how the fuck did I end up here?
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: This was the one thing I liked and I can't
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: do it, Like totally felt victimized.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Like no part of me was like, there's a light
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: at the end of this tunnel.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: It's so true.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: When you're going through it the right, you don't see that.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: You don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: And the uncertainty, I find is the most challenging part
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: because you're like, well, I don't know what it looks like.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the path looks like. And we
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: often think like I wish I could just know which
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: direction to go in or which path to follow. But
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: the path doesn't light up before you take action or
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: before you choose the path. It shows up along the way,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: and that's what you have to kind of have to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: trust in.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Thing go And people don't realize the amount of effort
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: it takes to experience, like yeah, what it actually takes
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: to get in the driver's seat and create that path
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: it is like a full time job to rewrite your
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: story or step into a different light. It's not like
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: it's just like I'm going to make a decision today
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: and it's.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: All going to start working out. You have to brainwash yourself.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: You have to like, yeah, so true, not you know
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: what I mean, It's not just like handed to you
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: out of left field.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: That's so true. I know in line that you've said
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you feel like addiction is misunderstood. What is something you
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: would you wish you knew back then, or something you'd
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: like our audience to hear about addiction learn about addiction.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: I just think that there is so much shame that
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: people carry for something that's like outside of their control.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: It's it's so funny because even when we're talking about
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: like having a sex tape leaked or being abandoned, right,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It's like it's interesting how the empaths always go into
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: like shame. Right. But it's like I think that in hindsight,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: you realize that people who have addictions also there's also
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: like a set of personality things that can also be
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: flipped into something good when you get sober, right, Like
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: there's an archetype that comes with that personality, So so
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: it's like when you're in it though, you just kind
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: of are in the shame part. But when you get
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: past that, there's a lot of like gifts that a
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: lot of people who struggle with addiction have.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like when you wanted to party and
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: quote unquote use your like I wanted to be a
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: normal girl and just party and have a fun with
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: my friends. Do you think that was true? And also
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you were trying to numb out from pain and run
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: away from how you were really feeling deep down?
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: One that I didn't even know that people drank to
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: have a good time, Like I thought everyone was drinking
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: to black out. And when I remember talking to my roommate,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: she was like describing the night before and like you
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: were member things like you're just drinking to like loosen
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: up a little bit. Like that wasn't concept. I was like, Oh,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I thought we're like trying to go to outer space,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: like not have a conscious thought. I was like, well,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: we are not in the same wave, Like no wonder,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: I'm like ping up like eating out of the trash and.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean out Yeah, Yeah, I.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Just was like I thought we all wanted out, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: then I realized, like, no, not, everyone's like tortured on
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: the inside, you know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting what people do to cope. We're both
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: non drinkers as well, and I mean I haven't drank
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: much my life, but my partner did, and you did,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: and like my whole family with massive drinkers. And it's
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: really sad to see because I see when people are
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: excessively drinking, I'm like, oh, hurt you, what happened? What
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: are you escaping from? And just life outside of drinking
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: being so much more conscious, you feel everything so much more,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: your connections are so much more deeper. And it's a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: very big problem here in Australia to like the Aussie
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: culture is like everything you drink for it, you're celebrating,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you're stressed, Yeah, like to have fun, like everything.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Is wine down. Yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And I can relate as well with like the using
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: the drinking to numb out. I used to get to
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: the point that you were as well of like wanting
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: to forget how I was feeling in the sexual shame
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: that I was feeling from feeling exposed and humulated and
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: shamed for wanting to be a sexual being at such
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: a young age and feeling like I'm so dirty, I'm
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: so wrong for wanting this and for wanting to experience
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: something that every single personally his planet does, but I'm
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: the person who's being isolated and shamed for it. And
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: so I led to drinking and leaned towards drinking and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: recreational drugs so that I could free myself from the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: shame that I felt, from the judgment, from the internal
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: dialogue that was coming up day in and day out
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of all the things that I was doing wrong in
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: my life. And so I don't blame people who kind
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of fall into addiction, you know, for the reasons why
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: they choose to numb out. But yeah, it's definitely a
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: huge part of the reason why I'm sober now is
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: because of how badly I felt like I needed to
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: lean on it to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Numb yeah soon enough to feel all the yeah yeah yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So is it just the last couple of years, like
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you're thirty eight now, does it last like two three
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: years where you've really rebuilt yourself and you've built this
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: amazing brand and you're helping so many women with your
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: online coaching, And how did you start to really rebuild
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: trust with yourself and trust within your body and also
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: trust with women, with men, with people around you, because
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of people have betrayed you and I suppose
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: done the wrong thing by you, that would have been
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: quite a journey as well.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so kind of like what you guys were just described.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes when you go through a trauma, there's
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: secondary traumas that come with it, right, So it could
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: be like the lack of support. It's how other people
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: handle it. And so I think part of what happens
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: is you isolate. And I think that isolation has been
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: kind of a default thing that's always happened to me.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I've been going on these different chapters of life, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: part of how I stopped abandoning myself or stopped ending
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: up in these crazy situations is like I was kind
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: of forced through isolation to stop abandoning myself. Like I
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: couldn't walk some days, so it's like I couldn't leave,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I couldn't escape, but there's nothing, there's nowhere to go,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: So I was kind of like forced to like do
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: something different. Otherwise I knew I was never going to
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: really get out of bed again. And so I think
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: that when we are ready, when we hit a big
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: enough bottom, we will ultimately start to choose ourselves and
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: then that becomes like the baseline.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Really it's rock bottom when things start to change high
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: or if you get a strong enough why go. So
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: with what you're doing right now, you're helping other women
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that have been through similar journeys to what you've been on.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Or is it a little bit of business coaching as well?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Do talk a little bit about how you're helping your community?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, So we do coaching and healing and things
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: A lot of as you guys know, like creating your
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: own thing requires like a mindset and identity shift. It's
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: also like you have to have like aligned offers, you
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: have to build a business that kind of like works
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: for you, visibility, all those things. So it's kind of
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: like a very holistic approach to kind of helping healers, coaches,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: old souls get visible with their brands. So it's a
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: little bit of business, a little bit of mindset, a
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: little bit of like, you know, what is the message
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: that you're trying to bring forward and getting clarity on
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: that because it's really hard to like get out there
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: when you don't know like who you're talking to or
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: what you're doing, you know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I've also seen that just on your social media that
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you've helped like sixty six thousand women in the last
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: twelve months, which is an incredible achievement for one. But
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I would love to know, like, you know, for anyone
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: who's currently going through like the darkest hour or experience
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: something along the lines that you did, what's like a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: piece of advice that you would give them in terms
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: of them having hope for what is possible for them
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: in the future, or if.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They're deep in their addiction as well.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that what I've noticed is that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of old souls who are called to something greater,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: we always get initiated through darkness, right, so people who
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: have light to share with the world intentionally sign up
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: for harder paths, just like with both of you guys,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: sharing small moments of that initiation into your calling. Without
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: those pivotal experiences, you probably wouldn't be.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Called to do what you're doing today.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And so it's not even that you have to be
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: like grateful for what you're going through.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: You don't even have to be positive to be honest.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: But I think understanding that there is a higher path
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: if you're hearing this, and that there's no way that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: your soul just signed up to be like fucked over
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: for the rest of your life. That there is an
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: intention behind this. Sometimes we have to create it right,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: but obviously if people are listening to your podcast, they
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: have the ability to transmute it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And you speak often about like old souls
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and chosen ones, and I would love to hear like
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: in your own words, like what those titles mean to you,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: so that if anybody is listening and they go, oh
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I resonate with what she's saying, like they
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: can understand if it actually applies to them or not.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: So basically, the quickest way to understand if you're an
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: old soul is your natural degree of empathy. So that's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: like the basic highest.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Virtue we can have as beings is empathy. And so
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: what I find for the path of the old soul
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: is there's a lot of isolation, public humiliation, addiction. These
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: are all really common themes. A lot of health problems
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: come with this archetype, and again it's all by design
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: for our calling and our purpose, but it's usually you
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: can tell if you're the kind of person who's still
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: lifting other people up when you're at your darkest time,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: that's a clear indication that you're pretty advanced. So I
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: think that that's kind of how I would package that archetype.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful. I do agree with everything you say about
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like anyone that I inspired by, whether it's Oprah or
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Tony Robbins or Gary v Like they have an incredibly
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: dark story, Yeah, that's got them to where they are.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: You think that anyone you're truly inspired by, there's always
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a big story behind us.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: So true, there's always a reason. There's always something they've
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: been through that has allowed them to accumulate a certain
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: level of wisdom before their time, before their age, that
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: makes them who they are. And I love those people
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: for that reason because they do. They have so much
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: wisdom to share, and they do. They are very compassionate people.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I remember saying to my coach one day, and I'd
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: loved your opinion on this. I am very grateful for
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: my childhood and my real father left when I was young,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: my stepfather's abusive, and all this horrific things happen. I
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: am truly grateful because it's maybe who I am today,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: and I don't think i'd be here doing what we're
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: doing if I didn't go through all of that. I've
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: got two children.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I've got a ten year old boy and a three
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: year old girl, and I always wonder, like, I've tried
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to give them such a beautiful childhood and nothing quote
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: unquote like fucked up or hectic or any type of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: abuse or anything. And I'm like, how are they going
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to learn all there's valuable lessons I learned through going
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: through so much pain in my child Like, I'm sure
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: there's you know, definitely things that I'm sure I'm going
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to fuck them up in one way or another. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I wonder how they can get that level of wisdom
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: without going through those really painful traumatic times like I did.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: My thoughts on that is that sometimes as the cycle
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: breaker in your family, basically what you're here to do
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: is you're here to shift the consciousness.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So instead of having.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: To learn through hardship, suffering, abuse, trauma, you can call
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: in souls who can learn through gentler pathways. And so
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: I believe that more and more souls that are being
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: called to planet Earth are here to learn in a
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: more gentle way because they're more advanced, and so as
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: the cycle breaker, they don't have to endure the things
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that you did to carry on wisdom and to carry
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: on empathy.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Beautiful, I love that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: That's so nice.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: That's really nice.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Beautiful that you have a lot of ways to work
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: with you and you've got a lot going on at
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the moment. You have one on one coaching and support,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: ways of support. So if anybody who's listening and they're like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I love her, I need to be in her world, Like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: please send them anyway?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: How can they find you?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And what do you have at the moment the way
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: they can join your world.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So every month, well at least for this last year,
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: every month we did a free master class of you're
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: just like, let me dab my toe into this world
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: and just see what it's like.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Come to a master class. They're free. I literally pour
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: into people for hours.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: One time, I literally pissed myself because I didn't want
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: to interrupt the.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Three I like, I admitted, and she's committed. I'm so permitted.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: And then I obviously I have my my membership, which
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: has different tiers. We got weekly group calls. People love
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: it because there's such a beautiful community. It's called the upgrade.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Right now, my one to one coaching is the doors
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: closed at the moment. I can only kind of open
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: them here and there. If I can take people on,
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I will, but that's closed. I also will have a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: mastermind opening up this year as well, so that's.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Something exciting, amazing, and honestly, if anyone even without all
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: of that, like just head to our social media because
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: like we said, we love bringing your content. It's there's humor,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: there's depth, there's authenticity.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: There's also spiciness, like I can feel your sight.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: We love it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm much sweeter in real life.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The way you explain it, it's just like it feels
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: like you're just on the couch having a conversation directly
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: with us and you're speaking to us and I really
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: And it's also very unapologetic energy, and I think that's
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the fire that we're speaking to, not that we think
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: that you're having to go with people online, but it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: like this like genuine like unapologetic energy and that I'm
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: just so.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And it's no, it's just like, this is my story,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: this is what I think I can help you with this, Like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: are you ready? Yeah, I'm inviting you in. It's really cool.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Is everything that I hoped to create when I was
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: dead and bad was just a world that was like
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: raw and real.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: And where people felt seen.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: And so that is like my dream feedback to here
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: is that even if people don't ever spend a penny
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: on a product or whatever, that they could at least
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: step into my content world and feel connected and feel home.
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  Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 3: We love that so much. Thank you so much for
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: joining us. So also, one last thing, is there anything
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  Speaker 3: that you've learned in life that you're just like this,
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  Speaker 3: If there's one piece of advice that you could leave
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: every listener, what do you think that that would be?
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys a question about your community?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, what do you feel like is the number one
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  Speaker 4: biggest challenge that they struggle with?
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  Speaker 1: Because then I can cater my advice to that. Oh wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: Wonerf we I have different answers with the same answer.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing that.
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  Speaker 4: Comes to you, yeah, yeah, perspective.
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  Speaker 2: We have obviously our separate audiences and then they've kind
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: of come together. I have a very strong mum audience.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of them losing their identity in motherhood.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But then a lot of the feedback we get through
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: is trust in women and building sisterhood and friendship. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just trust in people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that, just because it's like
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  Speaker 3: this business and this community is also built off our
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: friendship as well, and a lot of women come with
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  Speaker 3: friendship problems, friendship breakdowns, not trusting in women, not trusting
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  Speaker 3: in themselves. So that's kind of like the core problem
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  Speaker 3: that we see that we get constant feedback on.
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  Speaker 2: And then lost of my identity and motherhood the probably
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  Speaker 2: our top two I reckon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think that for women who are natural givers, who
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  Speaker 4: are natural healers, right, which is like the moms of
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: the world, the ones who lose themselves or who care right,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: the friends that get fucked over the most are the
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: most empathic. And I think that when you've already mastered empathy,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the rest of the journey is about mastering power and
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: healthy self interest. And so I think that I think
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I would encourage people to learn how to feel guilt
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  Speaker 4: more because when you're coming out of that program of
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: putting yourself from last to first. You're going to feel
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: guilty when you say no, you're going to ask. So
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  Speaker 4: I would encourage them to like actually learn how to
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  Speaker 4: feel guilt and not let manipulate them, because we cannot
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  Speaker 4: create a world of impact in our home or out
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  Speaker 4: there in the world without a healthy basis of self interest.
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  Speaker 4: And so that I would encourage your community, the women listening,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: to be more selfish.
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  Speaker 3: Oh beautiful, I love that so much. You're so right
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  Speaker 3: about the guilts. It is one of the first steps,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: and it happens every single step along the way. It
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't go away, it doesn't get easier, but you definitely
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: do get better at learning how to hold it and
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  Speaker 3: learning when you have the right intentions of putting yourself first.
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  Speaker 3: That it comes from a good place and it's worth feeling.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: The guiltful guilt and.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Jealousy are such low vibrational frequencies that I think we
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: will try and avoid it, but it's like anything, if
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you let it just come up and let it be
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  Speaker 2: seen and love on it in the moment, it dissolves
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  Speaker 2: a lot faster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us. This has
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: been so epic. We know our audience are going to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: absolutely love you and where can they find you on
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: social media if they got to look for you?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Amazing?
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: You can finally at Margo Elise Miller, I got a
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: silent tea, so.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: That is where we can party and hang out. I
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: had such a good time. You guys are amazing duo together.
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  Speaker 3: We feel like we spend enough time together.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me be a part of your community.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, and we believe all of your show notes
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  Speaker 2: in the description box as well as everyone can connect
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  Speaker 2: with you and we hope to connect with you sometimes soon.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: If you ever come to Australia, you know we're your
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: girls dream location. We'll take care of you if you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: come here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, all the Japanese, all the food places like you.
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  Speaker 1: Just let us know when we're booking the ticket.
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  Speaker 3: Done setting you a dam after this.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bye everyone,