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Lifestyle Medicine for Kingdom Impact · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello and welcome to Chatting with the Experts where I speak with amazing
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  women, fabulous women from Africa, from the Caribbean and in the diaspora.
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  These women share my mission which is to educate, empower and
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  encourage women all over the world.
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  Today's show is titled
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  The Purpose of Health: Maximizing Your Years for Kingdom Impact.
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  My guest is a retired board certified preventive and lifestyle medicine
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  physician who now serves as an educator, an encourager and an author.
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  And she helps people reverse chronic diseases using research proven biblically
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  grounded lifestyle medicine intervention.
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  She functions as a surgeon general for the Kingdom of God and she uses
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  her medical training and grounding in scripture to advise believers on
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  protecting and maximizing their health.
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  Welcome Dr. Lisa McCoy to Chatting With the Experts
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  I'm so happy to be here, Paula.
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  Just thank you so much for inviting me onto this podcast and, I'm just
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  excited about this opportunity to talk with all the women
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  dear to my heart, so
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  Wow.
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  I'm excited that you function as a surgeon general for the Kingdom
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  of God, and that you're using your medical training and grounding in
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  the scripture to advise believers.
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  That is so dear to my heart.
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  So welcome to Chatting with the Experts because I know we gonna
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  learn so much from you today.
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  Thank you.
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  Well, wonderful.
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  Maybe I'll just go ahead and get started then.
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  You know, the interesting thing is, you know, in lifestyle medicine even though
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  it's been around for, about 20 some years, a lot of people that I run in really
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  don't know what lifestyle medicine is.
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  So one of the things I usually start with is just helping people to
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  understand what it is and what it's not.
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  Okay?
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  Now, I think one of the things that I love so much about lifestyle medicine is
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  that it focuses on identifying the root causes of different chronic conditions,
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  and then eliminating them instead of the more traditional medical approach which
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  is sort of identify the disease and then figure out what medicine we wanna dose
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  that person with to manage the symptoms or the consequences of that disease.
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  So in lifestyle medicine, what we do is we use lifestyle changes which
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  are, um… we call them interventions, as the first and most important step
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  in dealing with chronic diseases.
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  And the thing is if you can use these interventions consistently,
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  you could actually reverse a lot of diseases; diabetes, heart disease,
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  fatty liver disease, high blood pressure, even Alzheimer's disease
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  can be dramatically improved using these lifestyle interventions.
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  Or you can decide, "I'm going to try and prevent these diseases from
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  ever developing in the first place," because you've got that power.
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  Now, as for what lifestyle medicine isn't, as I said it's only
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  been around for about 20 years.
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  It was formally organized in 2004 and so a lot of people I run into
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  think that it's sort of alternative medicine or some kind of complimentary
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  medicine but it's actually a mainstream medical subspecialty.
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  And so by what I mean by that is that in order for someone to be a lifestyle
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  medicine physician they first have to be board certified in a primary discipline
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  like, um, internal medicine or OBGYN or pediatrics or preventive medicine like me.
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  And what that does is it ensures that all lifestyle providers have the basic
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  knowledge to know when medications are truly needed because we wanna make
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  sure we're practicing in a safe way.
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  But in most situations you, the patient, you're in the driver seat.
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  It's a partnership.
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  So if you want to manage your illness through medications, lifestyle
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  medicine physicians can help with that.
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  But if you wanna use these interventions to try to either reverse your condition
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  or reduce your medication doses, lifestyle medicine physicians have
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  teams in place including nutritionists, physical therapist relationships to
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  help support you with that as well.
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  So this is really a huge change from how physicians have been
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  traditionally trained practice because when I was in medical school back
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  in, I won't say how far back but
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  - Not that long ago.
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  You look pretty young for you saying back then.
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  late '80s, I'll say that.
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  Um- Sure we were actually taught diagnose a disease, figure out what medication
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  you're going to prescribe or if they're lucky we can maybe try surgery.
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  We really had not yet grasped the power of these six lifestyle medicine interventions
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  which are: effective stress management; getting truly restorative sleep; strong
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  connections, and I've changed this to strong connections with God and others;
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  um, the right type of physical activity and dosing that correctly; a whole food
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  plant predominant, diet; and then the last one I've also sort of tweaked.
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  Originally it is avoiding risky substances but there are so many, I call them
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  risky distractions in our world today that can do some of the same, have
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  some of the same problems associated with substances so I talk about that
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  as well when I talk with women or men.
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  Now, as I've mentioned, these six lifestyle medicine interventions, they're
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  very well documented and researched.
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  But what I like most about them is that they were documented in this
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  book, which is the word of God first
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  . I love that one.
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  This Word of God is the true source from which these
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  interventions derive their power.
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  So that's what I love about it more than anything.
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  So can I stop you right there and say…
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  oh sure.
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  I'm not stopping you to stop you completely but just…
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  okay
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  … to get clarity.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  You said the six pillars, am I correct in using the word pillars?
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  Yeah, pillars-
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  Of lifestyle
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  … interventions, yes
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  …. or interventions if that's the word.
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  Mm-hmm
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  …… I was trying to remember.
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  Interventions that you outlined a few minutes ago.
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  Sure.
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  Are, um, you were saying were always there because they're
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  outlined in the Word of God.
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  And so for someone like me who's a believer
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  ….. It's even more exciting.
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  Yes.
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  Okay let's go on.
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  Yes.
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  I'm ex-
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  I'm really, really excited.
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  And you know, and I'll talk about this a little bit later but when I'm working
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  with people to help them understand how these work, it makes it so rich
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  to be able to draw on the Word of God from which these interventions
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  came to help them understand, "Ah ha!
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  That's how God intended this all to work." So it's just, it's just
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  a powerful process because it comes out of the Word of God itself.
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  All right, let's get on to it because I'm excited.
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  As I'm sure the rest of you in the audience are as well.
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  So let's go.
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  And you know, the other thing too when we talk about the word of God is that,
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  well, in my experience as a physician, and as a believer, we normally don't
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  change our behaviors, whether it's health related or otherwise until
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  we change our mindset on a matter.
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  And one of the best ways that I've determined to change your mindset is
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  to understand its significance to God.
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  And you know what?
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  These six factors, they matter to God, and I believe that's why
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  he put them in this book, okay?
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  They matter when it comes to your purpose.
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  They matter when it comes to so many things that God desires us
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  to see happen in our lives and for us to access through him.
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  Hmm.
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  So, that's why I think it's so important.
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  Amen.
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  Amen, sister.
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  Amen.
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  So now one other thing too.
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  I mentioned that I'm retired, and I no longer see patients clinically, but
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  one of the things I like to do that is, and we can do this at the end as well,
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  you know, if people are interested in learning more about lifestyle medicine,
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  there's probably lots of lifestyle medicines in your state or country.
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  So later on in the show, what I can do is I can put some information in there about
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  the American Board of Lifestyle Medicine 'cause they have a little dialogue box
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  where you can go in, put your state or country, and it will give you a list
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  of board certified lifestyle medicine providers in your state or country.
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  And so you can explore this more with them if you want
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  because as I said, I'm retired.
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  So quick question again.
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  Sure.
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  So because you're retired- Uh-huh … does that give more leverage
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  to do more things with, I mean- Yes … as a lifestyle … Oh, as a
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  retired lifestyle medicine physician You're capable of doing a lot more.
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  You're not…
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  yes.
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  Okay.
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  Yes.
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  What I did is I made sure, and I keep my board certification active
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  in both preventive medicine, which is my primary discipline, and lifestyle
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  medicine, which is my subspecialty.
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  Right.
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  So that way I still have the medical expertise and backing and
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  training to deliver the information.
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  But because I'm retired and I'm no longer working for a particular
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  corporation or healthcare system, I have a lot more freedom to educate
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  using the Word of God, mentioning the scriptures and things like that, so.
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  Thanks for clarifying that.
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  Sure.
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  Sure and maybe what I'll do is I'll just talk a little bit about how I work
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  with people around lifestyle medicine or what that looks like normally.
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  But, I think the most important thing that I wanna get across to people who are
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  out there, not just people I work with but everybody 'cause I'm an educator,
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  is that I want people to understand how God created their body to work more
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  from a kingdom biblical perspective.
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  And the reason why is that when I told you all about those six lifestyle medicine
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  interventions, you know, the eating, the sleeping, the stress, I can't imagine that
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  any of you had never heard of any of that.
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  we know this.
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  You know, we know we should eat better, we know we should sleep
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  more, we know we should exercise.
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  We just don't always do it consistently, and another checklist or 30-day
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  reset isn't really gonna change that.
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  But what I find does change that is that when people understand how
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  God created this temple to work in both sickness and in health, and in
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  particular when they understand the difference between symptoms that are
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  actual signs of normal helping, healthy aging and symptoms that are related to
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  lifestyle choices, that really tends to make things click in their minds, so.
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  Okay.
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  So recognizing the difference between symptoms that are related to natural…
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  the process of aging because-
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  Mm-hmm
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  … yeah.
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  And then the difference between actual lifestyle choices, the differ- okay.
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  Yeah.
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  So, um, you know, and I'll make one quick little story here
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  just to kinda help clarify that.
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  You know- Great … one of, one of the folks that I worked with, a woman, I'll
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  call her Serena, she grew up in Trinidad, and so she grew up with a very plant based
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  diet, but it was very heavy in a lot of what, we called provisions, you know,
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  which are sort of starchy vegetables, yams, corn, rice, things of that sort.
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  Not a lot of green vegetables, not a lot of diversity.
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  And so she came to me because she had been to a physician who had told her
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  that, you know, she was becoming diabetic.
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  She was pre-diabetic.
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  And the reason she went to that physician is that she was starting
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  to see changes in her vision.
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  She was having joint pains in her knees, a lot of pains in her small joints of her
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  fingers, and she's like, "What is wrong?"
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  Hmm.
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  And that's when they diagnosed her.
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  But when we started working around some of these concepts, getting
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  a lot more diversity, green vegetables, beans, other things into
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  her diet, helping her to exercise-
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  … the pains in her hands went away.
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  Her vision started clearing, and that's before they ever put her
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  on any medications for diabetes.
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  So those changes she was experiencing that she just thought, 'Well,
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  you know, I'm getting older.
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  This is what happens,' they weren't.
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  They were lifestyle, and that's really what makes a
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  difference for a lot of people.
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  Wow.
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  That's an eye opener.
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  So she needed to make an adjustment in her lifestyle as opposed to just
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  accept, "Well, I'm getting old."
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  right
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  So you added more, as you said, you added more leafy vegetables to her diet
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, so, fruits and vegetables, a lot of different types of vegetables, and
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  then grains, whole grains like quinoa, brown rice, barley, things of that sort,
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  and introducing her to a lot of different types of beans, things of that sort, which
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  she really didn't eat a lot growing up.
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  and so just that difference, that diversity, those extra phytonutrients, and
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  the other thing, limiting the amount of sugar in sweets that she was taking in.
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  So those changes really turned around her health.
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  You know, her hemoglobin A1C levels started coming down, and that is,
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  just a medical term for a way that we monitor how someone's diabetes is going.
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  So but her levels started coming down to a normal range.
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  As I mentioned, her eyes started clearing, and she was so excited
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  because she likes to braid hair, and now she can do that without pain, so
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  Now things that, um, like quinoa, barley, those are not natural to, like
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  the part of the world that she's from.
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  Correct.
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  And I only know that because I'm familiar with that part of the world.
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  Correct.
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  So, so if someone listening, because this is a global program.
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  Mm-hmm
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  … For someone who's in the audience from that part of the world or listening
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  later, would there be substitutes to that?
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  I know they don't have quinoa growing.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Barley, it may not be easily accessible there.
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  Would there be local substitutes or that's something that they may have
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  to Google or use AI to find out?
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  You know what, what I should say is she started eating whole grains.
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  Whole grains.
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  So by that I mean grains that are not processed.
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  So for instance, if they have white rice, instead of having white rice,
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  they have brown rice which has more of the original nutrients within it.
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  I like to tell people they wanna do, um, what's the phrase, minimally
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  processed foods- Hmm which have nothing good taken away and nothing bad added.
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  And so
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  That's a good way of looking at it.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Go
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  as close to the ground, as close to natural as possible.
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  Perfect.
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  That's an excellent way.
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  So if there are grains that are more familiar to them or easier for them
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  to get, and they can get them in a more natural form- Mm-hmm …that's
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  going to have the same effect.
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  It's just that when we humans try to process nutrients out of things that
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  God has created for our good, that's when we get into trouble, when we
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  start substituting our idea of what is healthy for this temple with God's idea,
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  so.
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  So true.
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  Excellent.
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  All right.
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  I've been interrupting you, so please go ahead.
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  Oh, no, no worries.
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  No worries.
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  And you know, see, this is what I love to do, helping people understand how
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  their temples work and what they need.
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  Because the more we can understand that, how they were designed to
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  function, you know what the actual bonus is that people actually start
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  reading the Word of God differently.
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  Because you start seeing different correlations and different
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  applications of the scriptures that you didn't necessarily see before
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  you understood how your body worked.
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  In a sense, because I work a lot with believers, I use this concept
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  of well, I call them reverse parables Mm-hmm … you know?
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  In that when Jesus taught he would take examples that the listeners
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  were very familiar with from fishing, farming, sheep or, you know, your
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  own human body and he would use it to describe spiritual concepts.
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  And so what I do is the reverse.
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  I use spiritual concepts to help people understand how their
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  body was created to function.
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  because basically our body is a living mirror of the kingdom of
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  God and so the principles that we can use are very similar.
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  And if I have time can I give you a quick example of how that would work?
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  Oh yes let's go.
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  Okay.
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  Let's go.
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  Okay so now this is one that I like and we can maybe talk about this topic later
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  but I tend to get a lot of questions around gut health in our gut community
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  and how that impacts our health.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And so one of things is that this balance that we have to maintain within
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  our gut in order to promote health its not unlike another balance that we
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  have to manage on the spiritual realm.
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  And that is the Apostle Paul in chapter five of Galatians around verse 19 he
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  talks about this struggle that we have between expressing the fruit of Holy
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  Spirit, you know love joy peace patience long suffering versus expressing the
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  sort of lower human nature, you know the anger jealousy envy and that the likes.
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  And the interesting thing about that spiritual struggle is that one
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  that struggle is gonna be here as long as we're in this human body.
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  You know, we may get better at managing it, but that tension's not gonna go away.
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  Two, it's a very fluid situation in that it really can vary from day to
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  day depending on which nature you feed.
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  Three, the outcome of this struggle is really critical in terms of our character,
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  our Christian walk and the… I will say the quality of our service to God.
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  And then four, developing convictions, you know those beliefs that guide our
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  actions and our choices, that's important.
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  But if you really wanna be successful, you have to put some discipline under
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  those convictions to undergird them.
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  Okay?
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  So likewise when it comes to this gut community, there are two forces sort
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  of struggling against each other.
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  There are the microbes that are actually trying to promote health
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  for us and then the microbes that are actually literally trying to take us
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  down . And so it's interesting that that conflict in our gut, that's gonna go
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  on for as long as we're in this human temple and it's a fluid situation.
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  It can literally change from day to day based on what side or
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  what community we choose to feed.
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  And the third thing is that based on all the research we have, there is little else
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  that impacts the duration of our life, our health and therefore the duration
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  of our service to God more severely.
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  And then finally again, we have to have convictions about what we want
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  out of life, what we want out of this physical temple, but we really
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  need to make sure we're putting the disciplines in place to undergird them.
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  And so that's a lot of what I love to do.
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  I love talking with people, helping them identify what is it that's the most
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  important thing for you to accomplish?
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  What do you want to leave as your legacy?
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  how do we put that in place?
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  And once they start to think through that, you know, we look
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  at what the word of God says about their health, about His purposes.
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  We look at what the research says and then we take those into the
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  presence of God and we say, "Okay, God, you know what's to come.
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  You know the purposes that are down the road that I can't even fathom.
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  So give me the wisdom to know what do I focus on at this point of my life and
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  how do I do it to prepare me for what you have coming down the road for me in
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  terms of my life purpose, in terms of the legacy that you desire for me to leave in
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  this earth?" and so that's what I love.
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  I love doing that.
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  It's definitely not a cookie cutter approach because everyone is unique.
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  They have their own purpose, their own… God has a different vision for
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  what each of us will accomplish and I'm just here to support that process.
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  I am absorbing everything that you're saying
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  and musing over it.
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  It's definitely something that
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  I would love to have even further discussion, as I know
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  people in the audience would.
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  But before we open up the floor to them… I am very interested in, you
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  talking a bit of how we can or what
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  you have used or you've seen through what you're doing right now-
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  … um, when it comes to Alzheimer's disease.
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  You know…
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  mm-hmm
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  … that's, that's close to my heart 'cause I've seen so many loved ones
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  affected by it, by Alzheimer's disease.
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  And if you can talk a little bit about that and what you have seen through it-
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  Sure
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  … this application of lifestyle medicine?
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  Sure.
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  And that's, that's really a fairly new application, and in 2025 in
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  the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine they published some pretty
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  earth shattering research in that, what they did is they used four
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  lifestyle medicine interventions.
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  They used a whole food plant predominant eating plan, physical activity,
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  stress management, and then I think the last one was restorative sleep.
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  And they combined those four interventions and they taught them to a group of
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  people in their intervention group.
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  Then they also had another group of people with early Alzheimer's disease that
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  they just got the normal Alzheimer's care.
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  And so they went forward for I think it was like 30, 30 or some weeks.
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  The people in the Alzheimer's group who were the control, who got the normal
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  care, they either got worse or they, um … well actually most of them
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  continued to get a little bit worse, if I'm remembering the research right.
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  But in the intervention group, one, nobody got worse, maybe one third of
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  them stayed the same, and the other two actually regained some function.
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  So now this was only over a 35 week period, so they're trying to extend
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  this research out, but considering that at this point we have nothing to
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  help when it comes to the medications.
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  You know, for the medications at most they might stop some of the
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  physical manifestations in terms of the aggression that sometimes
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  people demonstrate with Alzheimer's.
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  Mm. But they don't improve the situation, and they don't really even
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  stop them from progressing, very much.
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  So it was very exciting, for us to see this about lifestyle
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  medicine because it's one of the few things that we see that works.
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  Now, I must say the results, the outcomes were best when you can catch
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  it in the early stages of Alzheimer's, but still it's more than we've had in
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  the past, so we're excited about that.
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  That's very exciting.
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  And this is- It
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  is
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  This is researched done, oh, 2025.
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  That's not that very long ago.
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  No, no it's not, you
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  know?
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  What's happening is they're starting, the original lifestyle medicine
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  research had to do with heart disease.
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  And they did a similar sort of controls versus intervention groups
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  to see whether people's plaque in their arteries would progress on this
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  diet or this plan versus another.
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  And so now that that was successful, they're taking these same lifestyle
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  principles and trying to apply it to lots of different areas.
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  And the most recent one that they're working with are things
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  like Alzheimer's disease.
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  With such a large aging population, especially in the United States.
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  Yes
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  I see how, why that's, so important- Mm-hmm … and applicable, Wow.
• 25:35
  Dr Lisa, this has been such an eyeopener
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  I mean it's so interesting.
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  So interesting like uh, I don't wanna stop.
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  Give us one more story.
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  Can you?
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  I mean you've given us like two stories.
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  Sure.
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  Sure.
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  Yeah th… well this story kinda dovetails as to what I was saying in
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  terms of the fact that with lifestyle medicine it really is um something
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  we do in partnership with God.
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  You know he knows the purposes that are coming ahead and when I try to explain
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  this to people one of the stories that really helps is I refer them to the
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  story of Daniel in The Old Testament.
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  You know because what happened with Daniel is he was one of a group of folks from
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  Jerusalem, Jewish young men from Jerusalem who were transported to Babylon when
• 26:20
  Jerusalem was destroyed yet even before he got there, there were some convictions.
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  Some things that God put upon his heart around not defiling himself
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  with certain foods about maintaining connections with God through prayer.
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  That even when he got to Babylon He held onto those convictions like a dog
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  with a bone And he didn't give up And so the thing is at that time Daniel
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  probably just thought "I'm just being obedient to what God had placed on
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  my heart This is what I feel I should do And I'm gonna do it no matter what
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  the cost" there's no way he knew about the purpose God had for his life.
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  There's no way he knew that he was going to end up In a lion's den because of
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  his desire to pray or of his because of conviction for prayer but that God
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  would use that conviction to work an incredible miracle that touched the
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  hearts of entire nation of Babylon
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  . Mm-hmm
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  . So again we just don't know what God's going to do with the convictions that
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  he places on our hearts through this lifestyle medicine but as we're obedient
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  it's just---we can just expect that He's going to do Incredible, incredible things.
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  And what I tell people Is that when you get to the point where your desire to
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  fulfill your life purpose, your desire to hold onto the convictions that God
• 27:46
  has placed on your heart becomes greater than your desire to hold onto habits
• 27:52
  either health related or otherwise that can limit you as you go forward.
• 27:56
  That's when things change.
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  And that's when God can really move in your life.
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  Not only in your health but in your purpose your, you reach everything
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  changes at that point you know when you Start seeing this as a mission
• 28:07
  critical resource, things change so.
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  Love that .When you start seeing this, your body the temple as a
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  mission critical resource and not just
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  as this is me.
• 28:16
  Yep You know but
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  that
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  This me as we see it has a- Mm-hmm … purpose.
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  Our purpose was determined long before we even knew who me was.
• 28:37
  Yeah.
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  'Cause think of, think of you as a baby where you don't even know who you are.
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  You're really dependent on your caregiver, your parents if it's them or whoever
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  it is, until you start coming into being and you're knowing who you are.
• 28:50
  And then understanding that you're more than just a body, there's a purpose Mm-hmm
• 28:58
  And that purpose needs to be fulfilled and you alone can do your unique purpose.
• 29:03
  Yeah, that's really the kind of transformation that I want to create.
• 29:07
  It's not so much people chasing after longevity just for the sake of living 120
• 29:13
  years or even three score years and 10.
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  It's really to access the wisdom, the health, the strength, and
• 29:21
  the longevity we need to fulfill the purposes God has for us.
• 29:26
  So I always wanna make sure that people have that priority in place, um, because
• 29:31
  again, that's gonna open the doors for God to do so much in their lives.
• 29:34
  Their health, their finances, their legacy, their family, everything.
• 29:39
  Everything.
• 29:41
  Everything.
• 29:43
  Dr. Lisa, thank you.
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  And whoa 'cause we gotta wrap up here but of course I notice what you said
• 29:53
  is impacting, has impacted my life and I know those who are listening
• 29:58
  online, those who are listening in the audience, and those who are viewing
• 30:02
  this on YouTube if they'd like to get in touch with you how can they do that?
• 30:09
  Sure.
• 30:09
  The ministry that I've transitioned to into this retirement phase of my life
• 30:15
  it's called Kingdom Health For Kingdom Purposes and it's simply drlisamccoy.org.
• 30:22
  I can drop, I'll drop that in the-
• 30:24
  Okay … in
• 30:25
  the
• 30:25
  chat okay.
• 30:26
  Okay.
• 30:26
  thanks.
• 30:27
  And I think one of the things that we may talk about a little later is one of
• 30:31
  the things God has placed on my heart is to just sort of take the information
• 30:36
  from the last 25, 30 years of what I've seen in lifestyle medicine and
• 30:40
  preventive medicine and just capture it in a book which is literally my
• 30:45
  legacy to believers across the world.
• 30:47
  That's another thing that I've done.
• 30:49
  And again, they can get information about that on the website as well.
• 30:53
  So it's simply your name dot org.
• 30:55
  Yep.
• 30:56
  drlisamccoy.org.
• 30:57
  Dot org, yes.
• 30:59
  Okay.
• 31:00
  Are you on, any social media platforms?
• 31:02
  Substack I think you mentioned.
• 31:03
  Yes.
• 31:04
  I'm on Substack at, drlisamccoy.substack.com.
• 31:09
  Uh huh.
• 31:10
  Also on YouTube, @drLisamccoy.
• 31:13
  Um, actually on, on Instagram and YouTube I have a channel where I
• 31:19
  really talk about things like, um, you know, like I was mentioning I get
• 31:22
  a lot of questions about probiotics.
• 31:24
  Do we need to take them?
• 31:25
  Are they really, what's all the hoo-ha about?
• 31:29
  And so I developed a channel called The Real McCoy On Health.
• 31:33
  Lovely
• 31:37
  The Real McCoy
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  McCoy on Health
• 31:40
  On health, o- on health.
• 31:42
  Okay.
• 31:42
  Yes, The Real McCoy on Health.
• 31:44
  I will drop that also in the chat.
• 31:47
  Mm-hmm.
• 31:48
  All right.
• 31:49
  And as usual I always promise to bring you the best and I haven't disappointed you.
• 31:58
  Dr. Lisa McCoy is the best.
• 32:02
  Thank you so much for those of you who would like to be a guest on this
• 32:05
  show just like she has been, you can reach out to me on my website
• 32:08
  which is chattingwiththeexperts.com.
• 32:12
  I'm also on LinkedIn, my business page there is Chatting With the Experts.
• 32:18
  I'm on Facebook, my business page there is also Chatting with the Experts.
• 32:25
  And if you'd like to view this episode on YouTube please subscribe
• 32:31
  to our YouTube channel which is Chatting With the Experts.
• 32:36
  You'll see not just this episode but past episodes of other women who also
• 32:43
  share her mission which is to educate, empower, and to encourage women globally.
• 32:49
  Ah, I almost forgot to mention that we're also on Instagram.
• 32:54
  Our handle there is
• 32:57
  @chat_experts_podcast, and in there too you'll see all our episodes going way
• 33:02
  back, back to 2020, all the missions, the women who shared the same mission
• 33:10
  as I have and just as Dr. Lisa has done.
• 33:14
  So now we open up the floor to those who have joined us in the audience, and
• 33:18
  they'll get a chance to speak with you about the amazing work you're doing.
• 33:23
  Thank you again, and, I'm still shaking my head in wonder
• 33:29
  at all what I've learnt today.
• 33:31
  Thank you.