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Con Air vs Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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All right. Well, fuck. Yeah.
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Thanks for joining us, Chris.
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Yeah. Thanks for asking me to.
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Yeah, I've been enjoying our conversation on Twitter about
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Schrader and all sorts of other fun things.
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Yeah. All Schrader.
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Paul Schrader is great. I don't I do not understand
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the straighter hate dying of the light.
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Some of his OK, that doesn't count because that was taken from him.
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That's not the movie he was intending to make. He boycotted it.
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But even even if he made it, even if that was the movie
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wanted to make and it was bad, he still did cat people,
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which is enough to no matter what happens after that.
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He's good. And he also wrote, I believe, Obsession.
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I think that was the I got a movie he wrote.
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I got to agree with you.
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Cat people fucking rules.
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I watched that the other day.
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I like never have time to watch an extra movie and I crammed this one
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in on your recommendation.
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Very fun.
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It didn't convert me on Schrader, but man, what a fucking blast.
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That movie is. You're fired.
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What is cat people at people?
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Yeah. So it's a remake of,
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I believe, a 1942 Valued in horror movie.
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So this was made mid 80s.
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Malcolm Macdowell's in it. John heard a nettle tool.
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And basically.
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There's these people and they turn into cats
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and when they turn into cats, they turn into, I believe, black leopards
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and they kill.
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And the only way to stop the transformation is to have sex with their sibling.
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OK, I'm sold. Let's go watch this movie right now.
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It's so good.
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It's so like 80s goofy, but fantastic.
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I don't know. I loved it.
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I'm interested in the science behind sibling sex.
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Are they twins?
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You had me at sibling sex.
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Is that your favorite type of adult documentary?
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I mean, there were multiple times where I was just like,
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this is so fucking dumb, but I had a good time.
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So we can have so fucking dumb this week.
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Yeah, actually, go ahead and bring us in, Sean.
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Welcome back to Cage Match, colon, a roundabout way of meeting Nicolas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my cohost Nick and our producer.
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Peter, hello.
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We have our special guest, Chris Coffel here today.
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Why don't you tell the people what it is you do?
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Also, do we get your name right?
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Coffel is coffee.
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Technically, Coffel sounds nicer, I think.
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So, yeah, I guess I guess I occasionally write mostly at film school rejects
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for probably the last eight years or so.
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For the last few years, mostly just in October,
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horrors my favorite genre.
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So every year at film school rejects, we do a big
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31 days of horror lists or every day in October.
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We have a new list of 10 horror movies.
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We've been doing it for a long time now.
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So it started out, you know, like best vampire movie, best werewolf movie.
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But now it's very like specific.
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You know, it's a best movie.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, last year was erotic.
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It was one of the categories and cat people did make the list.
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Fantastic.
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Yeah. And then I previously had a Nick Cage column.
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I wrote at film school rejects for two years, I think,
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and a couple other random columns.
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And then occasionally I pop up at other places.
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It's been a while, but if you dig deep,
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I've done a bunch of stuff, a bloody disgusting as well
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and have recently started doing some stuff at
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Amicus Horror to the new site.
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But mostly I play Rocket League.
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So that's where you can find me.
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Nice. Nick and I are on that hell.
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Hell Divers to train right now.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to make noise with that.
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Oh, no, it's fine. Now it was buzzing for a second.
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Yeah. Nick's got big money on the line with the basketball game
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going on right now. So
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I hope you put your money on.
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I'm I'm with Purdue.
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So if we start and say I'm not with Purdue, I'm Yukon.
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Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah.
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No, I'm switching over. Last minute.
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No, I'm not.
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I changed the bracket. It's fine.
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Yeah. What if you could just primal wins?
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God damn it. Yeah.
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Oh, OK. Yeah. I do want to talk about primal.
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Well, let me finish my segue from five minutes ago.
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Yeah, speaking of a speaking of dumb, speaking of dumb movies.
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This week, we have Conair and Ghost Rider to Spirit of Vengeance.
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Yeah, those aren't dumb movies.
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No, those are serious movies.
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We're in the action category.
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These are movies to base your entire personality on.
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You're not wrong. Yeah.
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We will get into why.
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Yeah. So, Chris, I mean, you you're obviously kind of like
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a an Internet go to person in terms of cage stuff.
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So like what got you started?
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How why do you love Nick Cage so much?
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So I grew up in the 90s.
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So Cage was always kind of a, you know, unknown quantity, a big deal.
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Raising Arizona is probably the first movie I knew him from.
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But when I became like I really got into cage,
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this is weird because I was think I was probably 11.
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And we went and seen face offs.
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My family would go to the drive in pretty regularly.
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And I wanted to go see Batman and Robin.
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My parents wanted to see face off.
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They opened up on the same day.
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A face off went out, which I was adamant I did not want to see.
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But then I loved it.
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And therefore, I was like, your parents are not monsters.
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I don't know.
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Batman and Robin is also a sick movie.
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I have these awful.
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Oh, just like it's the only movie I've never watched to completion.
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It's not terrible.
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That's Batman edging.
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Yeah, it's a great movie.
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You just sit down, start drinking.
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The movie is going to go through.
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You're going to have a great time.
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I missed my 20 year window to enjoy that movie then.
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You can figure it out.
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Is that the Mr. Freeze one? Yeah.
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Oh, boy. All right. Good.
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Everybody.
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I still meet you.
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See, you even remember quotes from it.
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I don't even know that's a quote from it.
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It probably is.
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Yes, it is.
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It is. I always turn that movie off at the same place.
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And that's when the Bat Amics card comes out.
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Oh,
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what a great film.
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We're now a Batman and Robin podcast.
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Yeah, we're pivoting. Chris, this is your time.
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Welcome to the batting cage.
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Oh, no.
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Sorry, it's nipples on the bat suit just because I still own that URL.
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That's Batman forever.
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It carries over.
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They're not sure.
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That's true. They are both to market that.
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I'm actually pretty good.
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That's kind of a bit of a Renaissance.
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I do like that film a lot like Val Kilmer underrated Batman.
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I agree. Yeah.
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Christian Bale. Worst Batman.
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I do not like Christian Bale's Batman at all.
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He was great in Captain Crowley's mandolin.
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He was great in Captain Crowley's mandolin.
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And I think that's the best Batman.
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I think that's the best Batman.
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I think that's the best Batman.
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I think that's the best Batman.
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Mondraus is Batman.
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Oh, fuck, yeah.
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You just get shot in the ass.
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All right.
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What are we talking about?
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This is a this is a Nicolas Cage podcast where we've taken 64
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Nicolas Cage movies and bracketed them till Nick and I decide what
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ultimately is the best Nick Cage movie as decided by two idiots that are us.
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You you kind of were a progenitor of the March Madness Nick Cage thing.
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So I want to talk about that just a little bit.
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What was your idea behind that?
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How did you pick your 16?
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And why are you smarter than us for only doing 16?
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So I did 16 once, so it would just be shorter, obviously.
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I recall I have to go back and look.
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I think I picked the 16 that were the highest rated on IMDb,
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which is a dumb way to choose things.
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Anything that aggregates scores anywhere is mostly stupid.
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But that's how I chose the 16.
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So it wouldn't be just completely me picking my favorite 16.
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There would be something interesting behind it.
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And I I think Raising Arizona won my bracket, if I remember.
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But I got to pull it up and see. Yeah.
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I was surprised to see if it was just the top 16 in your list.
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I was surprised to see that Bad Lieutenant was one of his 16 best films
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circa 2018.
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And I know that you like that movie.
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And I'm not saying that's wrong.
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But why?
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I still haven't found anybody to explain why that movie is likeable.
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I'm not saying it's wrong.
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I'm just saying you're not invited to my birthday party.
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If it's Bad Lieutenant themed, I don't need to be there.
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But it's got iguanas.
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Yeah.
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But a sober guy throwing a drug addled birthday party sounds terrible.
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I mean, it's it's you have
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Verner Herzog and Nicolas Cage, and that's just it's just
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the right amount of madness for it to work.
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I guess I'm not surprised that you're not a fan
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because I was I was shocked that you guys were so low on bringing out the dead.
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I don't know how.
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No, no, we love that movie.
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Yeah, the movie is really, really good.
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But the reasoning behind why we we kicked it is.
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Valid. Yeah, valid and specific about mostly Schrader, but.
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Which we've established already is incorrect.
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And also Joe, Joe's a fucking great.
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Joe's a great movie.
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We're going to fight this whole time.
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Yeah, people were never going to talk about Conair or Ghost Rider.
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No, it's happened before.
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Primal. I love Primal.
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Have you seen Primal?
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I have seen Primal.
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I love that line.
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They talked about what does he shouts the line he shouts about like
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meeting his cat, Jack.
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Primal's fun.
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See, it's fun.
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I said I told you I'd rewatch it.
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Yeah, I know.
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I just have to keep telling you how great it is until you do.
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Great. It's a terrific film.
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It's easily top five.
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Oh, you are wrong there.
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I didn't say of what fair.
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But what do you guys want to start with?
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Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.
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I could Vengeance.
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So the not so direct sequel to the original Ghost Rider
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where Johnny Blaze has to save Danny, the son of the devil.
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Would you say that it's the spiritual sequel?
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Ah, I'll leave now.
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Yeah, that's your best joke
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of this whole podcast
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from becoming the new incarnation of the devil
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all the while avoiding Blackout, who is the villain.
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Kind of a shitty villain.
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Better than the boy band from the first movie.
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The elemental boy band. Yeah.
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So are the special effects, the action and general just demeanor of the film.
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I like this movie a lot.
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This movie is a romp.
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Yeah, it's certainly a more enjoyable version of the film
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than the original Ghost Rider.
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I was glad to see that jelly beans got replaced with pills.
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Always nice to do that.
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And not even like pills you just play around with,
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but like some pretty good muscle relaxers and painkillers.
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Oh, I'm sure, you know, probably sore from having all this flesh burned off nightly.
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He drank. He had a drink of that wine.
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Yeah, would be nice on a salad.
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But that's old, old wine for you.
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We have Idris Elba giving us a very wide
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French accent. Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm. It goes places rarely goes to the same place twice.
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Well, yeah, that sounds like him in Conair, though.
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Nicholas Cage. Yeah. Yeah.
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I was going to talk about that.
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That dances around to.
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Yeah, the Idris Elba one.
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It definitely doesn't start French like until they mention that he's French.
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I never hear a French accent until like it's halfway to the movie
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because initially he's just Idris Elba.
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He's got like a little bit of generic European.
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It's like this could be any kind of region in like southern Europe.
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Yeah, I think the only thing that makes him French is he's kind of like, oh,
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that's it.
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I would have killed for a whole whole whole.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
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Is this one in a whole whole?
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It is so old.
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What was up with his contact lenses?
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I don't know. I was going to ask why yellow eyes.
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Well, he drinks a lot.
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I think it's cat people.
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It must be cat people reasons.
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It could be cat people.
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He's a werecat.
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Yeah, I mean, I have to go have sex with his brother.
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So, Chris, what was your interaction with this movie?
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I feel like you've probably seen every cage movie, but.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'm a big fan of Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance.
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It's it's such a step up from the first movie in every way.
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And I like that.
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Yes, it's a sequel, but it assumes you haven't seen Ghost Rider
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with the opening where he completely explains who Ghost Rider is
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and how he became Ghost Rider.
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So it kind of works as a reboot.
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I'm also a fan of Neville Dean and Taylor,
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the directing combo that did the movie.
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So once they were working with cage and being a fan of the crank movies,
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I was all for this.
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And initially, it was supposed to be part of the Marvel Nights series,
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which were supposed to be darker, more adult oriented comic book movies.
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They did Punisher Warzone.
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And I thought this was going to be.
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Yeah, Punisher Warzone is fantastic.
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And so this was supposed to be similar to that.
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It was supposed to be R.
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It was supposed to have plenty of gore and Sony kind of got cold feet.
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They changed a lot of the script and they cut the budget in half,
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which I think kind of shows, which is weird because the CGI
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special effects are better than the first movie, but they're still.
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They're still not great.
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But there's some great set pieces and it's very magnetic,
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has lots of manic energy.
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And the two the two car chase scenes, it opens with the car chase
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and ends with the car chase.
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And they're both real cars, practical effects,
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for the most part, with the car stuff.
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Fantastic. I've been a fan, even though I think the movie doesn't
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never got to be what it should have been.
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But it's still great.
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I think it is a lot of great stuff, and I will always appreciate
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taking a character like that and like for your final set piece, like
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now we're going to set it during the day so you can see all the action.
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None of that fucking Pacific Rim bullshit where it's like,
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here's the big monster fight at night underwater.
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You can't see shit.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love day action scenes.
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Like you don't have enough of them.
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And this this this movie, I mean, almost all this movie takes place
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during the day.
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The one scene where he gets shot with like that rocket launcher
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thing that's at night.
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But for the most part, it's it's all day.
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And I think they I think Neville Dean Taylor did a good job
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kind of covering up where they didn't have the budget.
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They do all these interesting cutaways where they have these scenes
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where it cuts to work.
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Everything else is black.
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And you just see the action taking place on a black background.
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It's like somebody somebody else
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for play discussing just wrote about Ghost Rider today and they compared
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it's like Mortal Kombat, fatality cut scenes.
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And that's what it feels like.
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OK, I can say that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I could tell that they had cut some of the budget down
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in like the lack of transformations.
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It was I'm going to kneel down.
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I'm the ghost rider.
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I'm going to kneel down.
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I'm Nicolas Cage.
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You didn't have a much in the way of like,
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you know, American werewolf like changing or anything like that.
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He snorts fire one time out of his nostrils, but he does.
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He does that one where he's like turning the cage up to 11 on the motorcycle
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and like there's kind of superimposing like bits of a skull
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and stretching it over his face.
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It doesn't have the wow factor of the transformation in the original film.
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Yeah, those aren't like transformations, though.
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That's not like, I don't know, face melting, head burning.
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I know that's I'm just saying that's the closest we get.
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Yeah.
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One of the effects that I thought was really fucking nice, though, was
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because it was so shot in the daytime, you see the flame
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and like that black smoke that's coming off of it.
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You just never got in Ghost Rider one because it's just sort of this
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like magic spirit flame.
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That's like, no, it's like a gross, gnarly ass flame.
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He looks like he smells bad.
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Yeah, for real.
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Well, he does.
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He has a cycle where he has all the face stuff.
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That's more like, yes, there's obviously some special effects there,
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but that's a lot of like cage making weird faces
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and then just like slightly altering it.
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Kind of like he feels like he's channeling that.
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He talks about being a fan of like German expressionism and like surrealism.
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And that's what that scene feels like to me.
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And I might be misquoting or misremembering,
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but I spoke to Brian Taylor about this movie years ago
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and because I had made, which I shared with you, Peter, a little video.
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Right. Like I edited that scene in black and white
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and made it put like old silent film music over it.
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I'm pretty sure.
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And everything. Yeah.
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They kicked around the idea of doing parts of the movie in black and white,
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black and white and removing CGI altogether.
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So still having him like in the costume he would wear for the CGI.
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But then it just be like cage facial expressions.
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But Sony was not into that idea.
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They're cowards, man.
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They fuck. They are cowards.
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Well, I mean, did this this came out after Warzone Punisher Wars on,
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I'm assuming that's why I got scared because I know Punisher Wars
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on did not do well, like it did not get a wide release.
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I wanted to see in theaters and I didn't really get a chance to when it came out.
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I think it's like three years after Wars.
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OK, because, yeah, those are the two movies that came out under that title.
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Right. Under that banner.
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It's kind of crazy that they only had the two,
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but I guess they were going through a lot of change at that point.
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Yes. So it's always been kind of.
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Yeah.
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If he on not as bad as Fox.
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It didn't help that like the Dark Knight took off and then,
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you know, the Avengers was right around the corner.
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So comic book films became more serious, I guess,
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not fun, silly like they were in the the 90s.
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Then I'm those kind of getting back to that maybe a little bit.
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That's like closer. That's more in line, I think, with the two Venom movies
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are more in line with this ghostwriter.
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Yeah. Yeah, they definitely feel like they're
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they definitely feel more
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in line with the serious or the humorous take on the character.
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Well, I remember I was a big fan of ghostwriter comics at this time,
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and I always loved the Johnny Blaze is a fucking moron like character.
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Like he was a carny. He grew up in a carnival.
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He knows that he knows how to fix and ride motorcycles, doesn't know anything else.
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So he's just a really dumb superhero who's just way too powerful.
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And most of the trouble he gets in is his own fucking fault
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for just sticking his head where sticking his nose where it shouldn't be.
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So I always liked I was like a big dumb hero.
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Good him.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And like only him, though,
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a pure like Ghost Rider, you don't really need a big
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buff like superhero body.
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You just need a guy who you can put a skull on, who can like
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move at a moderate pace.
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You need to look good in a leather jacket.
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They should get in the leather jacket.
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That's it.
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And also just show up to set with your face painted like a voodoo skull
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and not telling anyone you're going to do it.
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I love that.
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Thank you, man, so much.
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What a fucking weirdo. I love him.
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He's fantastic.
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OK, one of the one of the things that I hate about this movie
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and it's probably the only thing I hate about this movie.
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The writing is really fucking dumb.
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Like what writing exists is really stupid.
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It's pretty simple.
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It's meant to get us to the set pieces.
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Yeah, and it tries to make every line like a kind of clever one
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liner action hero note.
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And it kind of leans into like every everything that said needs to be funny.
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I mean, sometimes it kind of is.
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Did like the singular callback from what I felt
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in this movie to the original was when
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Ghost Rider knocks that guy down and like they run over him
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and he just kind of turns the camera and says, Roadkill.
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So good. I did like that.
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Very comic book.
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Yeah. Oh, is that the only line that Ghost Rider says that wasn't him
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like repeating?
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He also says, Hungry.
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Oh, that's right. Yep.
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Need to say hungry.
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I will say the penitent stare in this one doesn't carry the same weight
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as the first movie. It does not.
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And that needed a little something connecting their like little faces
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or mouths or would not have turned on Rebel Wilson.
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Something on the eyes.
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Yeah.
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My favorite line of dumb dialogue in this movie is
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when the devil at work, he
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talks to the kid, Danny, on the phone.
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And the kid then like screams and like passes out.
21:19
And he basically tells Blackout,
21:23
he says, Think of him as sort of a computer.
21:25
You know, computers, right?
21:27
When this movie is 2011, of course, he knows what the computer is.
21:31
This isn't just been a movie in the mid 80s and find that line.
21:35
I get it. But so weird.
21:37
Not a place.
21:39
I had a place.
21:39
You know, it's just strange.
21:42
My biggest issue with this film is
21:45
Chekhov's flaming pee,
21:48
because we see the idea of him using his pee as a flamethrower.
21:52
We never see him use it on anybody.
21:54
That would have been a great weapon.
21:55
That would have been a great weapon.
21:57
He was very poorly hydrated.
22:01
I didn't see him drink water once during this.
22:03
Oh, no, he has the pitcher of water.
22:05
Yeah. Oh, that's a whole picture.
22:06
That down. Yeah. So
22:10
that scene with Danny in the diner where he just touches him for no reason.
22:13
It's like, I thought I saw a bee on your head.
22:15
I thought it was going to sting your face.
22:18
Danny gets really attached to him really quick for reasons I don't understand.
22:23
I mean, you saw the flamethrower.
22:24
Daddy. That's true.
22:26
But he doesn't he doesn't see it, right?
22:27
It's just in his head.
22:28
Just doesn't cut it all in his brain.
22:30
He imagines it, I guess.
22:32
He's got a good imagination.
22:33
He's a kid who has no dad.
22:34
Yeah. Just think about stuff.
22:36
Yeah. And like you said,
22:38
Johnny's cooler than most of the guys that his mom hangs out with.
22:42
So that that's legitimately fair.
22:46
Ghost Rider would be cool.
22:49
Cooler stepdad.
22:50
This comes after he tried to kill them, too.
22:52
So that's true.
22:53
I do like the moms
22:56
when she's rescuing Danny and that guy comes in and she throws the knife
22:59
at the guy and the guy catches like, what are you going to do?
23:02
And then she pulls the gun on him.
23:03
Yeah. Oh, no, I know.
23:05
They allude to her connection with like an arms dealer or whatever
23:09
early in the movie.
23:11
But my my gripe or my concern with this movie is when she
23:16
just somehow becomes like a competent sniper.
23:21
Like why? She's good.
23:22
Yeah. I mean, she did have to do it.
23:24
She missed. That's true.
23:26
She's a good one. Block.
23:28
I miss the the Ghost Rider point, though.
23:31
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
23:33
From the first one.
23:35
Yeah, the weird bony boy.
23:36
I love a bony boy.
23:39
I will say probably in terms of a theatrical released film,
23:43
the best Chris Lambert performance ever.
23:46
It almost it felt really wasted having Christopher Lambert in that role.
23:51
Yeah. Which is fine.
23:53
He was so he he performed it so well.
23:56
Just not what I usually expect from Chris Lambert.
23:58
Yeah. And I think it was.
24:00
In the street.
24:01
Yeah. If you're going to waste an actor, you might as well waste an actor
24:04
that nobody thinks of ever.
24:07
I do like how they're like, oh, he was a Highlander.
24:10
Let's give him a sword.
24:11
But he's also blind.
24:12
So let's make sure we give him a sword where no one is around.
24:17
I did try and check to see how the makeup held up scene to scene,
24:20
because I remember when he first watched this, I read a thing
24:23
where he didn't want to go through makeup every day.
24:25
So he didn't like wash off the tattoos.
24:29
Did you notice any difference?
24:30
No. Yeah.
24:31
I mean, also with a movie that had its budget cut, like you probably just were
24:34
like, no, dude, don't take that.
24:36
Yeah. I mean, also his role is so short.
24:39
They probably just filmed it today.
24:40
Yeah. Or two days since he got to go to the hotel with it once at least.
24:45
Oh, allegedly.
24:47
I, you know, I really enjoy this movie.
24:50
It's dumb. It's fun.
24:51
It's a good length.
24:54
Yeah. It doesn't try to be anything that it's not.
24:57
It's which I like in a dumb movie.
25:00
I don't like.
25:01
Well, so like last week, we talked to her last episode.
25:03
We talked about mom and dad.
25:04
And that was an hour and 20 movie that feels like an hour 45.
25:09
And this is an hour 30 movie that feels pretty crisp.
25:13
Yeah. There's not a lot of fat on this movie.
25:15
Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot of words.
25:18
Yeah.
25:18
I'm saying it starts with a chase and it basically it just is a chase
25:22
the entire time for the most part.
25:24
They take it. They take that diner break.
25:26
And that's basically it.
25:28
All right. That's not true, because halfway through,
25:30
it does have a brief moment where it kind of turns into this like
25:33
buddy road comedy for a little bit when they're riding down the car
25:36
and he just, I'll be catches up with them on his motorcycle
25:39
and they're all just having a good laugh.
25:41
That's kind of out of nowhere.
25:43
But it's fun.
25:45
But the movie flies by.
25:47
So here's the real question, Chris.
25:50
What's your hell vehicle?
25:52
It's a truck camel motorcycle.
25:55
Larger friend that puts you in a bjorn.
25:58
That's mine. That's a good choice.
26:01
Mine's mine's Nick.
26:04
Oh, we're in a baby bjorn and I'm just like a rock in the front.
26:06
So it's just a hell, Nick. Yeah.
26:09
I want the Inceptor from Mad Max.
26:13
So that would work in hell, I think.
26:16
That Max is basically how the.
26:18
Oh, the car gets destroyed in every film, so I don't know how reliable it is.
26:22
But it comes back every time.
26:24
So probably more of it's held out.
26:26
It just comes back cooler.
26:27
It's fair. Yeah. From hell.
26:29
Chris, you're from Portland, right?
26:32
I'm from Phoenix, but I mean, I live in Portland now.
26:35
OK, I was going to say, I feel like you should have picked one of those weird
26:37
tall bikes or a unicycle.
26:40
That's that would be sick. Yeah.
26:42
They there are already like lots of people are doing that.
26:45
Like lots of people are doing flame spinning and shit there.
26:48
So why not just turn to hell unicycle?
26:51
Nick, what's your pick?
26:53
Oh, who?
26:58
Probably one of those like stupid hoverboard things like, you know,
27:03
it's got two wheels and like you stand on it.
27:06
But like every time I get on one, I can't like get my balance.
27:10
So I look like a frickin spinning dumbass
27:12
until I invariably fall off.
27:15
But I think the power of hell would keep me on it
27:18
and I would really cruise on it.
27:21
So hoverboard.
27:23
Ninety three Geo prism.
27:25
Don't ask me, don't ask me follow ups. OK.
27:29
It already is a healthy.
27:30
I kind of want to know what the body color is.
27:35
It's green.
27:37
That is exactly the color of my old roommate's Geo prism.
27:41
I have in my life owned three Geo prisms.
27:44
Oh, OK.
27:45
No, none of them have turned to hell vehicles.
27:48
Well, I mean, I could have died in all of them.
27:51
Fair. Now, the prism, we're a Geo podcast now.
27:56
Is that a three cylinder like the Metro?
28:01
Or does it have all four like the storm?
28:04
I believe it has all four. Nice.
28:06
Yeah, right. Yeah.
28:08
It has the power.
28:08
Yeah, the power. I was a Geo storm guy myself.
28:12
It was the hot rod or the
28:15
the the pussy magnet of the Geo range.
28:18
Naturally. Yeah.
28:19
No backseat. Oh, yeah.
28:21
Yeah. Hatchback. So good.
28:25
We've watched Mom and Dad, you know, you can fucking that car.
28:27
I can confirm.
28:31
It's just as hard as you would think a six foot one
28:33
dude getting down in a Geo is.
28:35
It's very difficult.
28:39
Um, I don't I love this film.
28:41
I I don't have much else to say other than it's great.
28:45
Go watch it.
28:47
Yeah, Chris, any kind of final thoughts on this one?
28:50
It just feels like a movie that came 10 years too early or 10 years too late.
28:54
I get this movie to come out in the late 90s or potentially now.
28:59
I think it would I think it would be received better.
29:02
But as it stands now, I think it's a ton of fun.
29:04
And and I just want to highlight my favorite part is
29:07
towards the end, doing that final chase when a ghost rider delivers a rock bottom
29:13
to black out from one moving vehicle onto another moving vehicle.
29:18
You just don't see that enough in movies.
29:20
Oh, I have one huge complaint about this movie that I just remembered.
29:23
When he sends Rourke back to hell, he tells him to go home.
29:28
Yeah, it seems like a missed opportunity.
29:31
Rather than saying go to hell.
29:33
Yeah. But I think that's the joke.
29:35
It's like we all know he's going to hell.
29:37
So instead, he's saying go home.
29:40
I just for as cool as I'm going to be.
29:42
Every line of that movie tried to make it sound.
29:44
That was the one to really kind of.
29:47
That's a joke that required you to think more than this movie deserves.
29:51
Yes. So.
29:53
But I think about this movie a lot.
29:54
Well, you guys know, at the end, his flames are blue.
29:58
I guess that's because he's like he's good now or he has his soul back.
30:02
I'm sure.
30:03
Oh, man. Going back to the mid 90s, he's got that angel fire.
30:07
Yeah, that's right.
30:09
I've ever used cities, but it's fine.
30:11
Me too. I was.
30:12
A city's guy.
30:13
Geocities rocked with my.
30:14
Oh, fire was fucking assholes.
30:16
Keeping with our geo theme.
30:18
Yeah, right.
30:19
Geos only.
30:20
Geo podcast.
30:21
And now we're talking about geocaching.
30:23
Yeah. And geolocation.
30:26
OK, so on the the matrix of good movie, good cage performance, bad movie,
30:31
good, bad, bad, good, good.
30:34
I think that that good movie, great movie, amazing, fun, awesome movie
30:39
for in terms of cage performance.
30:40
I'm going to say the same thing that I did with mom and dad is just like
30:42
he's giving the performance that is expected of him and that the director wants.
30:47
Like, it's not scratching at the door.
30:49
Yeah, it's it's hammy.
30:52
It's it's campy.
30:53
And I am here for it.
30:55
I think it's a good movie and
30:59
a great performance.
31:01
But I think it works like this.
31:04
A hamminess works so much better in this than it does in something like mom and dad.
31:09
I don't know. Mom and dad.
31:11
I still I will put it on my fucking tombstone.
31:15
Not a great movie.
31:16
It's not a great movie.
31:17
It's not even a fun movie.
31:19
I got an 11.
31:21
Yeah, we only got an 11 there saying that mom and dad's not a great movie.
31:24
Yeah, very hot take.
31:26
Yeah. Well, you know, I went back, I said, not a fun movie.
31:30
Yeah. Chris, what do you think on this one?
31:34
So I would say a flaws aside, budget being cut, I still think it's a good movie.
31:38
But I'm pretty simple. If I like it, it's good.
31:41
I don't care if it's stupid or quote unquote bad.
31:44
If I like it, it's good.
31:45
And I think it's a great cage performance.
31:47
I think he knows what he's doing.
31:49
He does it well.
31:51
And I think it lets him play in that.
31:53
He gets to do those facial expressions and do all that weird German stuff
31:57
that he loves while being a superhero that he also loves.
32:02
I can't recommend it's like I would describe this movie of
32:05
if if an Iron Maiden album cover came to life,
32:09
it would be Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, I think. Yeah.
32:12
Oh, I like that.
32:14
So if you can only see two two Ghost Rider movies in your life,
32:17
just watch this one twice. Yes.
32:21
Speaking of segues, Connor.
32:23
Man, I love your new format.
32:26
It's so efficient.
32:29
No one's even mentioned segues.
32:31
We were talking about hoverboards, Sean.
32:33
Oh, hell's a different.
32:34
That was going to be when I get it.
32:36
I'm like, I should do a segue now, but we were still talking about it.
32:41
Be better at setups.
32:43
Not for you.
32:45
Health segue would be so fucking lame.
32:47
It would just like go faster up a hill,
32:50
but very stable.
32:51
Can you imagine how cool you would look like rolling down by the pier like?
32:55
On a hell segue.
32:58
They'd still have to wear the hell helmet, though.
33:00
Yeah, the helmet.
33:01
My god damn it.
33:03
Thanks for that setup.
33:05
That I think.
33:10
So, Con Air, a
33:12
fucking love con.
33:14
This movie is astounding.
33:17
Ah, you're warming up again.
33:19
I loved Con Air the first time.
33:22
You just hate Garland Green.
33:24
I can't wait to talk about Garland Green.
33:26
Garland Green serves no fucking purpose.
33:27
Thank God we're talking about it first.
33:29
Let's get Garland Green is incredible.
33:33
He fills the Hannibal Lecter role of the psychopaths on the airplane.
33:38
Used it all in this film.
33:39
It doesn't have to be.
33:41
It's just like a menagerie of psychos on an airplane
33:47
that all like fit into different, I don't know, film shits.
33:51
And we're supposed to feel good about him just being loose
33:54
at the end of this film.
33:55
It's going to be president next year.
33:57
Terrific. Yeah.
33:58
Chris, what are your feelings on Garland Green?
34:01
I mean, I'm pro Garland Green.
34:03
It's like anytime you can.
34:04
Nothing wrong.
34:05
Yeah, yeah, we he was probably set up, first of all,
34:10
because he had it.
34:10
She's yeah.
34:12
Allegedly, he's the most he's the most.
34:14
You were a child's head across.
34:16
He just said it was a woman's head.
34:18
Let's be specific.
34:18
Said girl.
34:19
But yeah, she did.
34:20
She does say girl.
34:21
But he didn't say that he killed her.
34:24
He could have found that head.
34:25
He could have found that head. Yeah.
34:27
Yeah. I mean, if I had a vehicle for every head I found and war,
34:32
he had an opportunity to kill.
34:34
He did not.
34:35
He was the most sane person on that plane.
34:38
Why the fuck was that little girl living there?
34:41
I don't know.
34:42
I mean, there were all sorts of people that lived around.
34:43
That's true.
34:44
It's probably the dude under the truck.
34:46
Yeah.
34:46
My wife and I watched this
34:49
couple of days ago, and that scene, she was like clutching me.
34:53
She was like, no, the little girl.
34:56
As Garland Green says, most murders are like a crime of necessity.
35:01
Not done out of passion.
35:03
I do like his little like witticisms.
35:05
I don't I don't hate the character.
35:07
It's just it.
35:10
I want I wanted a tighter story.
35:12
That's all.
35:12
I'm going to get a full chest Garland Green tattoo.
35:15
I hope you do.
35:16
Steve Buscemi's big bug eyes.
35:18
Yeah.
35:19
Definitely still looking in different directions for some reason.
35:24
Can't fix that with tattoos.
35:27
Your nipples.
35:31
Oh, man.
35:32
Yeah, this movie is pretty good.
35:34
I had a good time with it the first time.
35:36
I had forgotten like how much I actually do enjoy how stupid and fun it is.
35:40
Yeah, it's a little too long for my taste, but, you know,
35:43
I always think all these movies are too long because I'm grumpy and old now.
35:48
This movie is great.
35:49
It starts with it starts at an oil rig that just produces fire.
35:55
As they're supposed to, as they're supposed to.
35:57
He gets seven years for killing a man in self-defense.
36:02
Yeah, that is such a dumb conceit of this entire thing.
36:04
Everything in this movie is a dumb fucking conceit.
36:06
None of this movie makes sense when you talk about it.
36:09
I mean, it's a reason for him to have long hair.
36:11
I do like that.
36:13
So, Chris, what was your your first experience with Conair?
36:16
Well, I don't know, my first six, my technically first experience
36:20
was just seeing part of it when I went to see Face Off.
36:22
Because I saw the drive in and so Connick, because Conair came out
36:25
the week before Face Off, which is insane to think about that.
36:27
Conair opened in theaters and then a week later, Face Off opened.
36:32
So I remember very strong here.
36:35
So I remember seeing part of it then.
36:37
I don't know when I first watched it,
36:41
but I'm a big fan, a big fan of Conair.
36:43
And the thing I think is most interesting is actually like this is the movie.
36:48
That this is a movie that made Cage kind of an action star.
36:51
You know, The Rock came out the year before, two years before.
36:54
But in that, you know, that's still Sean Connery and Michael Bay.
36:57
And Cage is kind of like the nerdy character.
37:01
Conair kind of turned him into an action star.
37:04
And I think it's the movie that people kind of think of when they think of.
37:09
Cage is this kind of like over the top actor
37:12
that chews a lot of scenery.
37:14
But despite his his accent, Cage is like pretty reserved
37:20
and subtle in this movie compared to the rest of the cast.
37:23
Like John C.
37:24
Jack is the one who goes over the top, I think.
37:27
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
37:28
I think everyone does like Nicholas Cage is pretty sedate in this film
37:32
and doesn't even have that much that many lines all in all.
37:36
It's actually a pretty restrained Ving Rhames performance, too,
37:40
given that the other ones that we've seen with him,
37:42
he's a lot more over the top.
37:44
Yeah. Well, compared to bringing up the dead, for sure.
37:47
Yeah. OK, so let's talk about the Rogues Gallery.
37:50
Cyrus, the virus.
37:51
You know, played by John Malcovich, Malcovich, Malcovich
37:55
really steals this film.
37:59
He is a terrific villain.
38:01
Yeah, he's got great villain face, great villain goatee.
38:05
He gets to talk about his stinking breath when killing children.
38:09
That's cool.
38:11
I love the anecdote about Malcovich getting the script
38:15
and like being with his buddy who was also like his script reader advisor
38:19
or whatever, and he just immediately chucks it.
38:21
And then his friends like, good, that's a piece of shit.
38:24
And he's like, no, no, I'm doing now.
38:26
I just don't need to read it.
38:28
I got it from page one.
38:30
Yeah, perfect.
38:31
I do like after Dave Chappelle's character Pinball dies
38:36
and like when he finds out pinball, he's like, Oh, I like pinball,
38:40
even though he fucking I cannot get over the fact that they made a fake Dave Chappelle.
38:45
Oh, man. And it looks so bad, too.
38:49
You know, at this point, though, I take fake Dave Chappelle any day of the week.
38:52
Yeah, true enough.
38:53
This is a much more promising Dave Chappelle.
38:56
Yeah. Also, I think it's actually pretty clever the way
39:01
Cameron Powe uses Dave Chappelle to write a note
39:04
to exactly that's pretty smart for as dumb as this movie is.
39:08
That's a that seems like a smart thing to do.
39:10
I mean, there's a lot of collateral damage potentially from that.
39:12
But yes, I was trying to think when did Cameron Powe
39:18
learn about QSAC?
39:20
Like, when did he know?
39:21
Like, how did he know his name?
39:22
Like, write him the note.
39:23
He overheard because he was in the cabin for a second.
39:27
He overheard them talking to Larkin.
39:28
That's what I had to.
39:29
Yeah. OK.
39:31
You know, this really gets me thinking is like.
39:34
That is a lot of collateral damage all over one guy's insulin shot.
39:40
Like he loves baby.
39:41
Yeah, he loves baby.
39:43
And that's great.
39:44
They shared snowballs, which was wildly irresponsible.
39:47
Nicholas Cage is Cameron Powe responsible for baby's diabetes.
39:51
Could be.
39:53
Got him on those snowballs.
39:55
He doesn't know they're called snowballs.
39:57
Yeah, just those pink things.
39:59
Yeah, those pink thing where they don't allow to say snow.
40:01
No, because they show the packaging.
40:02
Yeah. Right.
40:03
Show the back.
40:04
Like you could just read it.
40:05
Oh, both of these movies feature hostess.
40:08
Like, yeah.
40:10
I want to talk about, you know, going back to.
40:12
Sorry to.
40:13
To go to.
40:13
A lot.
40:14
I fucking hate the way he eats that Twinkie and Ghost Rider.
40:18
Smashes it open.
40:19
Yeah. And then like fucking suck tubes it out.
40:23
Gross.
40:24
So I said to.
40:25
I will say suck tube more in my life now.
40:29
Suck tube is now a part of my common vernacular.
40:32
Please.
40:33
Got my lexicon.
40:35
I do love that.
40:36
What you got in Ghost Rider, though, where he touches a sandwich
40:40
and it immediately rots and he touches the apple and in a meteor
40:42
rot, he touches a Twinkie and it doesn't rot because it's already trash.
40:47
He was also only touching the packaging for the Twinkie.
40:51
But should also have like broken down.
40:53
It's plastic.
40:54
It would take a long time.
40:57
Hold it for a minute.
40:58
Just long enough to suck tube it.
41:01
Also, the rules of what he what like degrades
41:04
when he touches it were wildly in concise inconsistent.
41:07
Yeah.
41:09
OK, let's get back to Conair.
41:10
It's wildly inconsistent.
41:15
Yeah. So we were talking about
41:18
our damage, Malcovich.
41:20
Boom. OK, we've talked about Malcovich.
41:21
All done. Pinball done. Baby.
41:24
Oh, done. Well, he's not.
41:25
He's not Rogues gallery.
41:27
I mean, he's still a criminal, but yeah, he is kind of well, true.
41:32
He is kind of a villain.
41:34
In his own right, because he has diabetes.
41:37
Yeah. Yeah, gross.
41:38
The police and or the guards in this film villains,
41:41
all of them, except for the lady guard.
41:43
Yeah, she's cool. Yeah.
41:45
Ship. Yeah, Bishop is good.
41:48
That dude with the mustache, what an asshole.
41:52
What's that? OK.
41:53
I always forget this guy's name, the one who is flying the plane.
41:56
Swamp Thing Swamp Thing.
41:59
What's so MC Ganey, MC Ganey.
42:01
OK, he's a Ganey fucking love a good MC Ganey.
42:04
So here is everything.
42:06
He is awesome.
42:07
He is my favorite trash human being.
42:11
He is always sorry, Sean.
42:12
You've been replaced no matter what.
42:15
But yeah, he's fucking awesome. I love MC Ganey.
42:17
I miss my mustache.
42:19
Speaking of things that didn't age well from the 90s,
42:22
the flamboyant queer character, queer villain.
42:28
Well, we talked about this, I think.
42:29
Yeah, with my brother.
42:30
Yeah. Sally can't dance.
42:32
The character is based on a real life person
42:39
who was like, I don't know, gender queer or something in the prison system.
42:46
So quit hating on the gays.
42:48
Still not a great representation. Yeah.
42:51
It's very much of its time.
42:54
Yeah. Yeah.
42:54
I mean, it's usually the rock.
42:58
I think that, yeah.
42:59
The hairdresser and the hairdresser.
43:01
I think the only thing with Sally can't dance that's kind of shitty
43:04
is just that he slaps her versus it's like, oh, well, that's a lady.
43:10
Well, she did not try to set him on fire.
43:12
That's true. So no, no punching.
43:14
Good. Off the table.
43:15
You get punched, Dave Chappelle, though.
43:18
Because he did set someone.
43:18
He did set someone on fire.
43:20
Yeah. Fucking punch Dave Chappelle.
43:22
You heard it here, folks.
43:25
Or set him on fire.
43:27
Either one is fine.
43:28
Yeah, it's tit for tat at that point, right?
43:31
Yeah. Pretty sure he called the Native American guy, Coach Ease also.
43:34
He did. He was he was very.
43:38
He was very nice.
43:39
Yeah. To who'd have guessed?
43:41
Chappelle.
43:44
Shocking all of us.
43:47
The foresight of Conair.
43:50
They've only we'd listened.
43:53
I think my only beef with this entire movie, like it's it's popcorn,
43:57
like from start to finish.
43:58
I think it is just a little too long.
44:00
I think you could have ended it after the plane crashes.
44:03
I don't think you need that last fire truck fight.
44:07
And also the like smasher that is just there.
44:10
Are you kidding me?
44:11
V, you mean definitively the best death in a film ever?
44:18
I'm going to stab you through the ankle.
44:20
I'm going to run you through a raise you up on a ladder
44:25
so that you go flying through a bridge, somehow losing the handcuff.
44:30
Like you're now uncuffed. Whatever.
44:32
It's cool because you're going to land on like perfectly high voltage
44:38
transmission wires.
44:39
You're going to get shocked.
44:40
But guess what? You're not dead.
44:42
You're landing on a conveyor belt in a smasher and we're going to bust you.
44:47
That's so fucking cool.
44:49
No, this movie needs that, Peter.
44:51
You're wrong. It's like they take out the take out the fire truck part
44:54
or like take out the airplane crash or something like just remove
44:57
one of the other elements.
44:58
Now, that's all perfect.
44:59
Now, we need to remove is.
45:02
Don't say Garland Green.
45:03
I'm not going to say Garland Green.
45:04
I'm not talking about.
45:05
All the issue and is the hand cut his his arm.
45:08
His arm should have been like ripped off when he flew.
45:11
Oh, man.
45:12
It's perfect.
45:13
If it makes sense, physically tore his hand off
45:16
and then he went through the bridge and got shocked.
45:19
Oh, that would have been so much cooler.
45:22
Yeah, that would have elevated this movie.
45:23
Just add that one little bit.
45:26
There's room for expansion.
45:27
There's just so many like.
45:30
I went through a bridge at four in the morning.
45:32
I don't give a fuck.
45:34
There's just so many parts within the narrative.
45:36
And again, Nick, before you fucking get mad at me for this,
45:39
I do genuinely love this film,
45:41
but there are just so many parts in the story that you just have to ignore
45:44
or they have to just create reasons to keep the movie going,
45:49
to keep the plot going.
45:51
And I'm just like, we can just streamline some of this and we lose nothing.
45:56
Sure.
45:57
You there are definitely things that could have been edited out.
46:02
Like I was talking to Peter about it.
46:03
And Peter's like, we don't need cool.
46:04
Meaning I'm like, no, you need to mean you rewatch it.
46:06
You don't need cool. Meaning.
46:07
No. I mean, he has some funny lines, I guess.
46:11
How many of these films do you own, Chris?
46:13
I'm pretty sure I own.
46:15
If it's available on Blu-ray, I have it.
46:18
Nice for cage.
46:21
I want to talk about the collateral damage a little bit.
46:23
So we talked about it a little bit.
46:24
This movie definitely has some of the most collateral damage of any movie.
46:29
And there's actually a great part where they're one to shoot down
46:32
the plane over an empty desert.
46:34
And they're like, look,
46:36
these people will die, but we'll save so many lives.
46:38
And Q's acts like, no, don't do it.
46:40
Don't do it.
46:41
And obviously, it crashes into the Vegas.
46:46
Old Vegas, I think, is where it crashes through the layout of Vegas.
46:49
No sense. Fremont.
46:52
Area. Yeah.
46:53
Because you get the the LED screen with the jets and everything.
46:58
What's the area that has the most smashers for people's heads?
47:03
But what I like about it is at the end, after everything happens,
47:07
Q's act comments, he makes he makes a comment about like,
47:11
yeah, you know what, maybe we should have maybe made more sense
47:14
to just shoot it down.
47:15
I can't remember the exact line, but he comments on the fact that
47:18
they created a lot more damage by letting it go.
47:22
Yeah, my wife was really the whole plane crashing scene.
47:26
She was just like the casualty.
47:28
Well, they were trying to drive the airplane towards the airport
47:32
because there was a landing strip that was going to be completely clear for them.
47:36
But Ganey was like, Nope, we're landing on the strip.
47:39
And the word is crash.
47:43
Swamping. Yeah, I fucking love it.
47:46
To be fair, I don't think he I think they they were going down, right?
47:50
They lost an engine. I think. Yeah.
47:52
Come on, Swamp Thing is not going to just crash into people.
47:55
He's a good guy.
47:56
He would have went to the airport if he could make it.
47:58
Swamp Thing did nothing. If he had the option, he would have run to the airport.
48:02
He did the best he could.
48:04
I think Conair also has maybe the highest ratio of like dudes
48:08
walking away from explosions in any movie.
48:11
Oh, it's got some really good ones.
48:13
There are. Yeah, there are a lot of explosions and dudes who walk away from them.
48:17
Yeah, almost.
48:18
I think everyone virtually everyone in the main cast gets to walk away
48:21
from at least one explosion and QZAC and cage both gets a dive.
48:26
Yeah, I was really disappointed with Nicolas Cage running away from the explosion
48:31
there at the Lerner Air Air Base or whatever,
48:36
because I mean, you could tell there was like a green screen or whatever.
48:41
Like he was just, I don't know, emotionally dead.
48:45
He could have been jogging to the restroom.
48:48
No, because you have some sense of urgency in that.
48:52
He just had like such a placid face like, I'm just going for a stroll.
48:57
It's the most obvious use of green screen in the movie, too.
49:00
It's like that's the one where it really does stand out.
49:03
I would also say the when QZAC's in the prison and the bomb goes off.
49:08
Oh, sure.
49:09
Because the door like flips over him and like slams into the wall.
49:12
And then when the plane goes down and the propeller comes loose
49:16
and it comes right. Oh, right between.
49:18
That was sick, though. Yeah. I enjoyed that.
49:21
I also like that QZAC wears brick and stocks.
49:24
This whole which is his choice.
49:27
I love his giant suit as well.
49:29
Those are the way straight up prison slippers.
49:32
Like they're made of plastic and they're definitely not comfortable.
49:37
Yeah, apparently QZAC was like, I'll do this movie, but I get to wear brick and stocks.
49:43
So gross.
49:44
He compared it to Charleston Heston and like the old like sword and sandal movies and stuff.
49:51
I think it's a fun, fun little touch.
49:53
I mean, that is
49:55
it's definitely interesting.
49:57
I enjoy QZAC.
49:58
He's a weird, weird guy.
50:01
This is just one of two QZAC cage overlaps, though.
50:04
Yeah, just this in frozen ground, right?
50:05
Yeah. There's also a minor.
50:08
No, our arsenal.
50:10
Oh, OK. Yeah, that's not on ours.
50:13
Yeah, we didn't end up putting that in the bracket, but yeah.
50:15
Yeah, there's also a minor.
50:17
Arsenal's not great. So that makes sense.
50:21
Well, good. I'm glad we didn't put it in.
50:23
Don't worry. I own it.
50:24
We can watch it any time. Fantastic.
50:26
I did a giveaway of our son. I gave me like three copies of those.
50:30
I have a VHS copy of City of Angels just begging to be given away.
50:37
I can't give it away. It was a Christmas gift.
50:40
The fact that you have a VHS of it, you do have to just like frame it.
50:43
Put it in a shadow. Yeah, probably.
50:45
Yeah. Whenever I buckled down and purchased my replica of the beast,
50:50
I'll get a shadow box for City of Angels as well.
50:53
Perfect. Put it right next to it.
50:55
Place of honor.
50:57
It's like, wow, Nick, you have very diverse taste.
51:02
For Nicholas Cage.
51:06
So within the matrix of good, bad, bad, good, where do we want to put this one?
51:12
I'm going to stick with terrific film.
51:16
Terrific cage.
51:18
I say terrific film.
51:20
Scattershot cage.
51:22
Yeah, I'll wait for my defense.
51:26
I would go excellent film. Excellent cage.
51:28
I think I'm with with Nick and Chris on this one.
51:31
I think it's a pretty excellent performance.
51:33
I think the accent work is really shitty, but it doesn't matter.
51:36
We we've never gone to Nicholas Cage for accent work.
51:40
Never like unless he's a Boston cop.
51:43
Oh, he nails that one. Yeah.
51:46
Never been working on it.
51:47
His accent. And this is interesting, too, because it like sometimes he goes into
51:51
it is raising Arizona accent, which also doesn't make any sense.
51:55
Is some like I don't know anyone from Arizona that talks like that.
51:58
Whatever that accent is that he's doing, but it it doesn't matter.
52:02
It's still excellent.
52:04
Yeah, he's never been able to put an accent to a location.
52:08
Well, but you know, he gets out there and he does it.
52:12
He just tries, man. I respect it. Yeah.
52:16
But I really think that being
52:20
just a straight action film like this, he
52:24
he was also like what this came out before face off, he said.
52:29
Yeah, the week before.
52:30
So it's like he got to
52:32
do something a little different with an action film like this.
52:36
And, you know, it's it's not as woozy, wowsy, wild.
52:41
But it's it's a great action film performance.
52:45
I would have put him up against Stallone any day.
52:47
He's jacked as fuck.
52:50
Well, yeah, it would, because right before this, he did
52:53
Wedwalk West bringing out the not bringing out the dead.
52:57
We just talked with Kiss of Death was around this time as well.
52:59
That's why he's so.
53:00
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
53:02
But yeah.
53:03
Yeah, he does that thing where he's like sitting cross legged on the ground
53:07
and just like lifts himself up with his arms.
53:09
He's just holding himself up.
53:11
Oh, just on his fingertips.
53:13
Yeah, that made my arthritis hurt.
53:18
It's a bit of a sort of a trombo movie, right?
53:21
I think people kind of remember it more as a cage vehicle,
53:24
but it's really about the whole the whole whole cast.
53:27
Yeah, the sum of its parts.
53:29
Yeah, it's nothing without Garland Green.
53:31
Yeah, exactly.
53:32
And speaking of the vehicle, the plane kind of looks like the plane from Tellspin
53:37
a little bit. Oh, it does.
53:39
Very similar design.
53:41
I don't know if the Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin.
53:45
I would not be shocked to find out, but I don't think so.
53:48
I really want that to be true, though.
53:51
Yeah. Yeah.
53:51
Jerry Brockheimer produced Tellspin movie.
53:54
Hmm. Not until we get national.
53:58
Yeah. Could be the same thing.
54:00
Oh, we're going to get turned up on board.
54:04
So at this point, I'm kind of curious, Chris,
54:07
what is your favorite cage movie?
54:09
I know you did the bracket yourself and Raising Arizona came out on top, but like
54:13
that was six years ago, and it's been a very productive six years.
54:18
It has been. Yeah.
54:19
I really stopped doing that column at like the wrong time
54:23
because he really like got like a second wind right around the time they stopped.
54:28
A Rosing Arizona is my favorite cage movie.
54:30
I've got a top four that's pretty solid.
54:34
And the fifth is like kind of varies.
54:36
But Raising Arizona, Wild at Heart, Valley Girl, Face Off.
54:40
Those are my top four.
54:42
Easy number five kind of fluctuates.
54:47
Adaptation, bringing out the dead.
54:49
The two that most common that I would say.
54:52
Oh, no crap.
54:53
Did we got Red Rock West?
54:54
Red Rock West is amazing.
54:56
Red Rock West is number five.
54:59
So bringing out the dead and adaptation, battle it out for number six.
55:02
Fair. I'm glad you mentioned Valley Girl.
55:04
I think that one is a little underrated.
55:06
Valley Girl was such a great film.
55:08
It just went up against Vampire's Kiss for us.
55:11
And that was unfortunate.
55:13
It's just bracketology, right?
55:14
Like it hit a fucking top seat or well, not even a top seat
55:18
because that one's not rated crazy well, but it's that movie is fantastic.
55:22
But yeah, Valley Girl is a lot of fun.
55:24
And I still I listen to the Sparks album.
55:27
They feature on that one all the time.
55:30
Valley Girl is a great example, too, because I think,
55:32
you know, when Cage started doing, you know, it's kind of like
55:36
I think Wicker Man is kind of when like Cage's star
55:39
kind of start to drop a little bit
55:41
and he started doing more direct to video stuff and started getting more negative reviews.
55:46
I think that's around the same time that people started
55:48
kind of like latching on to this idea that Cage always goes over the top.
55:51
He'll do anything.
55:53
And this is a new thing.
55:54
But if you watch Valley Girl, he's been the same actor.
55:58
He's always had that in him.
55:59
He has plenty. He has a cage freak out in Valley Girl.
56:02
It's no different than anything you would see in Ghost Rider.
56:06
Yeah. Well, he even got to like break out a little bit
56:09
and say like Peggy Sue got married and.
56:12
Yeah, that's a great example, too.
56:14
A lot of his older works. He's got great examples. Yeah. Yeah.
56:17
Yeah. So of these two films and keep in mind,
56:21
your opinion does not matter in this context, but which film would you like to see go ahead?
56:25
This is actually really tough.
56:28
I feel like on one hand, I want to see Conair because I have some more
56:32
like pop cultural significance to it.
56:37
But I'm going to go Ghost Rider because I just love it more.
56:41
I'd rather watch Ghost Rider more.
56:42
It's more fun for me.
56:44
It's more cage.
56:46
And I think Conair is less cage
56:51
than deserving for this bracket.
56:53
So I would Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance would get my vote.
56:57
Like I was thinking about this and Conair is definitely the much more memeable film.
57:02
It's the one like you say, Nicolas Cage.
57:04
People are going to think the hair and the just that.
57:07
But it really is more of an ensemble cast and he doesn't have
57:11
the most screen time in it.
57:12
And when you take Ghost Rider, which is a tight film,
57:18
very little fat to cut off, you know, campy dialogue,
57:21
but is just a blast from start to finish.
57:25
I'd have to go Ghost Rider as well.
57:27
Hmm. Yeah, I've struggled with this one a lot.
57:33
I think based on most of my
57:38
my metrics that I've used in the past, which are wildly conflicting,
57:44
I think I want to go Conair
57:47
because if I'm thinking about this as a movie, I'm going to recommend to somebody.
57:52
It's got the widest appeal.
57:55
I mean, it's bookended by
57:58
how do I live without you?
58:03
Do do do do.
58:06
It's got the bunny.
58:08
I guess it's got the memeable moments, but I don't think I don't.
58:12
I don't know. I don't consider those memeable moments.
58:15
I consider them memorable moments. Fine.
58:19
It is the like one of these movies has been forgotten by time.
58:22
And I think that's unfortunate.
58:24
Yeah. Well, I don't know if it was forgotten by time.
58:26
It just came out at a poor time.
58:28
So I guess I'm going to go Conair.
58:30
It's it's a it's a timeless classic.
58:34
It it fits any time unless you're short on time.
58:38
But it's I don't know.
58:44
It's a solid film.
58:45
And, you know, I mean, they're both solid.
58:47
Yes, I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with you.
58:50
I'm not disagreeing with you either.
58:51
I would definitely.
58:53
I'll just kiss.
58:54
Mm hmm.
58:55
Do you have for audio?
58:58
It's too loud.
58:59
Yeah, blow. It's very well.
59:01
Turn the game down.
59:02
Turn that MC Ganey down.
59:04
Yeah, so this is another rare Peter.
59:10
Too much power coming this direction.
59:12
No, I did actually think about this.
59:13
I love Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.
59:15
I think it's a fucking fantastic movie.
59:17
It's one of my favorite comic book movies.
59:20
But watching Conair with Rachel,
59:24
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like this is part of the mix.
59:28
Like, there's a reason it exists as a movie that everyone talks about for Nick Cage.
59:33
It's it's when he was at the peak of his power the first time,
59:37
and then it just goes to shit.
59:39
And I love that he's got the resurgence.
59:42
But I there's something about like 90 schlock
59:45
that still holds some power over me that Ghost Rider doesn't hit,
59:49
even though I fucking love that movie.
59:52
So I think for this situation, I have to push Conair.
59:56
Also, it now has to go up against face off,
59:59
which I think is going to be fun to talk about,
1:00:01
because those are two super powerhouses.
1:00:04
And one must leave. So.
1:00:07
That's no, I mean, I don't disagree with any of what you either of you said.
1:00:11
I. I like both these movies quite a bit.
1:00:15
Yeah, Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance, everyone should watch it.
1:00:17
It's a fucking romp.
1:00:18
I wish wish we could have gotten the full budget are rated like no fucks given.
1:00:25
Yeah, that totally could have changed.
1:00:27
Yeah, 100 percent.
1:00:28
You know, we were robbed.
1:00:30
I want to do your bit about Connor being 90 schlock is a really good point,
1:00:35
because I don't think this is such a Jerry Brockheimer produced movie.
1:00:38
And I feel like action movies,
1:00:42
we don't get action movies in the same way with this type of ensemble cast.
1:00:45
That's kind of like the DNA for like for the Fast and Furious movies.
1:00:48
But even they're not they're not on air.
1:00:53
No, they're great, but they're not.
1:00:55
Conair.
1:00:57
People involved in those watch Tokyo,
1:00:59
people in those movies take them take themselves,
1:01:01
their careers in those movies way too seriously.
1:01:04
Yeah, exactly.
1:01:06
Conair, everyone knew what Connor was.
1:01:09
I felt all intentional to me.
1:01:11
None of it.
1:01:12
You the way you kept saying, immobile.
1:01:15
Yeah, I would say memorable works better because me mobile to me
1:01:18
is you're kind of poking fun of it.
1:01:20
You're making you're taking scenes out of context and laughing at it.
1:01:24
But I don't think you can do that with Conair because Conair knows what it is.
1:01:27
And everything's intentional.
1:01:28
I think there's nothing in that movie where somebody does something
1:01:32
and we laugh because they didn't know it was funny,
1:01:35
I guess, except for maybe Cage's accent.
1:01:37
Yeah, I do find it funny though.
1:01:39
The whole everything's intentional considering that script
1:01:43
was being rewritten every fucking day.
1:01:45
Oh, yeah.
1:01:46
What a nightmare that would be to this script is being written.
1:01:50
But I feel like all those actors knew what they were doing.
1:01:52
And yes, yeah, 100 percent.
1:01:55
All right. Well, that settles that one.
1:01:59
How do I live without you?
1:02:04
Well, thanks for thanks for coming on, Chris.
1:02:06
Do you have anything you want to pitch to our audience of mostly our friends?
1:02:11
Yeah, I mean, letterbox is always good.
1:02:14
Just Chris underscore gospel.
1:02:16
And then, yeah, some school rejects again.
1:02:18
I mostly just write in October now, usually.
1:02:21
But I do a lot in October every year.
1:02:25
And then, yeah, on the Rocket League field,
1:02:28
you can you can find me on a rocket league every night pretty much.
1:02:32
Does your car have a sweet name?
1:02:34
I don't know anything.
1:02:35
Well, I know the basics of Rocket League, but do you get to name your car?
1:02:41
Not name your car, but you can you can have teams.
1:02:44
And I do have a team and we are werewolves on wheels.
1:02:48
Wheels on wheels. I like that.
1:02:49
I was a fellow film school rejects writer.
1:02:55
Yeah, where cats you missed where cats, man, come on.
1:02:58
Well, everyone's on wheels is a good 70s
1:03:02
alliteration, rotation movie.
1:03:03
So, oh, gotcha. All right.
1:03:05
That tracks Nick, what's the name of your spaceship and hell divers?
1:03:08
Oh, it's the SES fist of family values.
1:03:14
Fantastic. And mine is the SES
1:03:17
superintendent of self-determination.
1:03:19
Nice.
1:03:21
You can find Nick and I on Helldivers, too.
1:03:25
All right. Next up, we've got a guarding test and moon struck going head to head.
1:03:30
That'll be a fun one.
1:03:30
Ian's supposed to join us.
1:03:32
That'll be fun. We'll have a good time with that.
1:03:35
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1:03:37
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1:03:42
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1:03:46
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1:03:48
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1:03:51
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Leave us a comment. Maybe.
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I don't know. Review us.
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What upload a photo of me?
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Yeah, you can do that. It's community.
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I have photos of Nick.
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Yeah. Well, you can you have this power.
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Yeah. Nick has photos of me as well.
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This is a power people shouldn't have.
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You can support us on Patreon, cage match.
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Thank you to our supporters, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt and Adam.
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And our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance and Nathan.
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You fuel this hell machine that we have created.
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Thank you so much.
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Bye bye.
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Do do do do.
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Do do do do.
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Bye bye.
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That's an idea.
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Hopefully, hopefully it's on the record.
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Yeah, good.
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And my confusion afterwards. Yeah.
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Hopefully, it's not on the record your confusion afterwards.
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Oh, even better. Yeah.
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We have people guessing.
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Just add a trombone sound.
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Womp womp womp.
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OK, we see the letters are written in crayon.
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Start with the letters and we go, a.
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I will tell you, as a parent, you do lie in makeup cards
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that look like a child wrote them.
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I do that. Your child doesn't want to do it.
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I mean, I do that with my pets, so I get it.
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Yeah. How many times is that actually successfully fooled someone?
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Don't ask follow up questions.
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We know we know some dumb people.
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We do. Do know some dumb people.
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Wait, Corden, write me that letter.