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BECOMING AN IRONMAN w/ Roscoe Carter | The MindSets Podcast | Episode 64 · The MindSets Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of Mindset.
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  Today is a little bit different. For those of you that are
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  watching on YouTube, you'll see that we actually have the setup
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  of me and Charles sat next to each other and that is because
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  we have a guest today. We are joined by the Diet Starts
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  Monday podcast host Roscoe. Hello, how are you?
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  How's it going? I'm good.
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  Thank you for having me. Good, We're excited.
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  We're we're excited to introduce you to our way of podcasting
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  where you have to give a little bit the risk of getting got
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  back. But no, it's, it's good to have
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  you here. Before we dive into more about
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  you and what you get up to over on your podcast and in your
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  life, We're going to do a quick run through on some things.
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  We have an update, quite a big update.
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  I know for you and I, Charles, this is quite a a big thing, but
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  a world record has broken recently.
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  Oh, the the beer, the beer mile world record was broken.
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  Do you know what time it was? Put him on 4.
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  Seven or something like that, someone told me the other day.
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  Do do you know it? I can't remember now.
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  OK, It was 427.3. You got the seven right, which
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  is insane. Four O 7 would be ridiculous.
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  That would be doping. But yeah.
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  I think they're doping anyway. 4427.3 yeah, I think, I think us
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  3 here should do. One should.
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  We yeah, we should host the The Beer Mile.
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  Yeah, OK. Bassi Park.
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  Tomorrow, bring your own beer the.
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  Weather's going to be great. So that that's that's one update
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  that's been broken. The next update is, I don't know
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  if you've seen this, we've gone viral.
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  I did see this. For all the wrong reasons in in
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  theory. I never, I never realized how
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  passionate people were on social media with Formula One.
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  It's not people, it's Max Verstappen fans, right?
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  Yes, so they all of them. For those unaware, we've posted
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  a a video from The Last Podcast that has got a lot of views from
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  the Formula One movie, and rage bait seems to be the thing that
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  does really well. So there's a lot of people going
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  back and forth. In fact, there is a
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  conversation, which I was very tempted to read out on the
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  podcast, between two men who are claiming to be older than each
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  other. Well, they having a good.
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  They are having a good with each other at this point and and
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  honestly everyone that's putting in hate telling me that I should
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  stop doing content is I'm just thanking them for the engagement
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  and moving on. And it's fantastic because it's
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  more comments, more views, it's great.
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  So I'm keeping my eye on that and maybe we'll have an update
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  if they used to keep going for the next two weeks where they
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  where they choose to get to and who actually is older is what we
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  will find out the. Comments section is a crazy
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  place. It's.
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  Great. And do you know what this is
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  What's the What's the full app? That has Monday under score
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  part. Perfect.
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  You can repost stuff. So now you can force it upon
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  your friends to like the same things as you.
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  That's a that's a good move to do.
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  The last update that I've got is I've discovered a phenomenon.
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  Last week I was in Copenhagen. The Iron Man.
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  Roscoe, you're more from the triathlon space.
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  Are you aware of the Iron Man? Walk.
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  Walk The Iron Man. Walk.
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  Is that like the walk of death when people hit the wall?
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  It's almost like that. It's the day after the Doms.
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  If you're in a city, the doms around people are just walking
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  and they walk extremely strangely, but you don't notice
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  it at first. If you know that someone or if
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  you know you're in the city where someone has just done an
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  Iron Man, The Walking that's going on is extremely.
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  It must be quite funny because it's like a heavily populated
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  small town of triathletes that have just finished the height
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  and they're exactly. That so you've got that going
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  on, but then you've just got multiple people that at first
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  you're like, cool, they're just walking around all these little
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  sites, but then you actually see them walking and they're just
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  being incredibly bizarre. And then you realize, oh, it's
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  actually because they've, you know, killed themselves.
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  The day before the Dons are pretty real, yeah.
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  I mean, I haven't done a full one, but yeah.
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  Well, let's talk about let's talk about you now on on the
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  podcast. What we do with guests is we
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  don't let you talk about you straight away.
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  What we do is we force you to do show and tell.
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  So you've brought something, Charles and I don't know what
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  this is. We're going to quiz you about
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  it. And yeah, go ahead.
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  So yeah, basically I wanted to bring something that I think you
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  had never seen before. It's not sport oriented, despite
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  both podcasts being sport oriented.
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  Can I put the mic down of? Course you can.
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  Or do you want me to hold it for you?
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  OK. We're also sorry.
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  We've got the. Podcast guests, we've got the
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  the 2nd guest, if you're watching on YouTube, you might
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  be able to see that there's the occasional dog that comes in.
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  This is pod dog Theo who's joining us.
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  So he's not going to get in the way.
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  You can hold this for the hour, but basically the it's a shell
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  that I've gotten here that you can't find in the United
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  Kingdom. It's only found in South Africa
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  and half my family live in a place called Pettenburg Bay,
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  which is a beautiful beach and town along the West Coast of
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  South Africa. And basically these are quite
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  rare. And we were walking on the
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  beach. They wash up with the sea and
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  only a few people can find them with like if you got a good eye.
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  So I thought I'd bring the one that we found.
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  They're super delicate and small, but it's actually a
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  skeleton on a sea ocean. Oh, wow.
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  But like this thing is like, oh, Razzy, beautiful and unique.
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  And that's come all the way from Pedro Bay Western Caves, South
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  Africa, and half my family actually lived there, so it's
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  like a memorabilia piece that's very nice.
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  That is actually really nice. It's really cool.
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  Is it the two slits in there for?
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  Those are the eyes. So it's actually a skeleton of
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  the sea urchin animal. It slits the eyes.
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  That's. Crazy, that looks like a
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  Pokémon. It does.
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  It's cool, I was. Going to say kind of.
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  I thought I was genuinely wondering if that was like for a
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  metal. No.
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  And to find one that's fully formed, I got a not snapped on
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  the sea. Like crap, like, you know,
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  crashing. It's like pretty rare.
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  Do do they? Where do you say this was from?
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  Sorry. So Pittsburgh Bay is like a town
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  on the West Coast of South Africa.
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  Do they do any sporting events there that they should be giving
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  out medals off because they've got the design done?
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  100% that'll be an amazing medal.
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  That would be it's. Quite a small quiet time, but
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  they should. I'm actually going to suggest
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  that. Host it, host it, we'll do the
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  beer mile there and you'll get one of those.
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  As a medal, I don't know if you look like a pants, so it's
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  called a Pansy shell, but it's actually a skeleton.
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  That's really cool. That's, that's genuinely up
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  there with one of the coolest things.
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  Yeah, before, before Roscoe came on.
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  So it is genuinely a rule that we're not allowed to know what
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  someone has brought on. So all he said was it's kind of
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  cute. And me and Charles immediately
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  were like, great, we can, we can rinse this.
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  But it turns out actually it is. That is quite cute.
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  I can't, I can't be rinsed. That can't be.
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  Rinsed the description. Well done.
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  So let's talk a little bit about you and the podcast, but also
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  you. So what's the what's the
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  background? You're obviously not born and
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  bred in London. No.
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  So born and bred in Cape Town, lived there my whole life, went
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  to Bishop's School and then Stellenbosch University, quite
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  like local town. Stellenbosch was great because
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  it was about an hour outside of Cape Town.
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  So we got to like live away from the family and but I didn't
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  really do too much sport in Stellenbosch was more of a party
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  scene, you know, friends and I made some really good friends.
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  So no regrets, but the regret I have now, I spoke to Jamie
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  Riddle approach our athlete on my podcast the other day and he
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  does a lot of footage on his YouTube of training in the
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  Selenbosch mountains and the grounds.
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  And it's just unbelievable scenery and weather's always
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  good. So I suppose I, I did, you know,
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  miss a catch there. But then going from Selenbosch,
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  I lived in Mauritius for six years working in finance and
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  that was really great. Mauritius is a small country off
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  the West Coast of Africa that was colonized by the French, but
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  it's still an African country. So they speak French and Creoles
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  like the local language. So that was really cool.
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  And one of the things I'll mention later when you ask me
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  those questions is, you know, moving abroad is quite a big
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  step for anyone. But something I would suggest
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  like 100% for people to do, learning new cultures and and
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  new things. But Mauritius was super small.
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  So it kind of got too condensed over the six years.
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  I mean, there were literally like 3 restaurants in my street
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  and one bar. Everyone knew what you were
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  doing. You walk into the Golf Club,
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  they know what you're drinking. Like, it's just that's, you
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  know, super community vibe, which is also nice.
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  I went back there to visit and you're hugging everyone from the
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  Rottie man to the to the bartender.
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  Like, they're like WAVY beat. So yeah, it was really cool.
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  And then I spent another year in Cape Town and then came out to
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  London about a year and three months ago.
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  Nice. Yeah.
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  And what are your initial thoughts of London?
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  I enjoy it. I like the hustle and bustle.
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  Completely different from Mauritius.
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  We, I didn't put a jersey on for six years, so that's slow, but
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  from a career point of view it's great.
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  And the networking, the networking line is unbelievable.
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  Meeting people like you and all sorts of people.
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  And also the sport culture, the health and fitness culture is
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  quite big here and I've started to sort of transition into that
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  space. So that's been really nice.
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  Meeting people from different walks and also from running,
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  cycling, swimming, high rocks, CrossFit, there's just
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  everything in anything, yeah, that you can find.
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  It is a bit of a mess, actually. At the same time, you won't find
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  one person that does one thing. Really.
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  Yeah. Even the tennis courts,
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  Battersea Park you can't book. No, no, yeah, it's a can't book
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  myth that there is a booking system actually.
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  I actually paid so many pounds when I got you to get pre
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  booking. Like I mean ability didn't work.
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  That's. Crazy.
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  That's a rookie. Yeah, that's how they get them.
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  That's that's what we do when we invite new people into our
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  country. We're like I.
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  Didn't know. Yeah.
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  So that I made a few mistakes like that, You know, I went to
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  third space. Three months.
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  Oh. Don't get me started on that.
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  It's one. Of my It's a sore topic.
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  This is a This is a continuous gear grinder. 250 squid a month.
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  Yeah, it's a lot, isn't it? It's, it's one of those things
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  where, again, we'll preface it by saying if they want to
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  sponsor us, then of course this is one of the best.
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  Yeah, we'll move this feature. But I pay £30 a month for a pure
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  gym membership and it does more than I need it to.
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  I, I don't need the sauna with the old naked men.
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  I don't need that in my. Life.
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  I do love the sauna. With or with it?
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  But my pre was like a white bike and a swimming pool.
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  And so, like, those things were tough to find.
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  But then I found Fitness First, Baker Street, Marty Bone and
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  those like, fit the ball and was half the price.
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  Even more than half the price, yeah.
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  And is that because, well, since you've got to London, you
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  mentioned how you've kind of got into the fitness scene.
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  Were you doing what you do now, which is like triathlon based
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  training before you came over? To so yes, because we signed up
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  to the Muscle Bay Half Iron Man, which was kind of the start of
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  the podcast. So looking at from a Dice House
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  Monday point of view, that started two years ago in
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  September now with my two best mates that I was living with in
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  Seapoint, we had a cool digs pool on the Seapoint promenade.
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  Like life is good. We had a set up like this at
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  home so we could bring people in and the whole the podcast we
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  started just to chat just a banter like this.
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  But then it started to transition into pushing each
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  other to doing things that we could like post on Diasus
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  Monday. And like the mantra of Diasus
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  Monday grew as we went. But we actually called it that
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  because my mate Che, every Sunday we would have a big
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  Friday, big Saturday, but then train Monday to Friday.
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  And every Sunday he would look at us like, guys, the dice got
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  his thought on Monday he'd think like, shit, he's just eaten
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  order, eat Uber eats, like Macs, chocolates.
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  Like we would say that every Sunday.
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  We actually almost called the podcast Fired Up.
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  It would be dead. It would be great in the great.
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  We caught it there. I love the name.
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  The name's great. Yeah, the name, the name is
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  really. Good claims for the moment.
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  He said it one Sunday, and I was like, guys, let's just call it
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  that. And we all laughed, and that was
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  it. Yeah.
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  But then the mantra of dice was Monday, like going out there,
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  setting a date, going after it like that, built with it.
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  And then we started to do things like the whole fun.
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  So you trained Monday to Friday, You're always training for like
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  endurance sport. What are you doing?
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  It's like rugby. For me personally it was for
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  aesthetics, so if I had to be honest, not the best genetically
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  gifted person. In terms of sports, I love
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  sports school. I played as a perfect B team
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  ever. I was B team.
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  Captain, for everything that's the best.
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  There's no responsibility, but you still get the credit.
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  So I and I loved it, don't get me wrong, but like I must be
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  honest it was more for aesthetics that the training for
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  me mentally if I had to really dig.
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  You know, I wish more people would admit that.
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  Yeah, I think there's 100% reason why I got into training
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  was purely aesthetics thing. I thought I was a fat shit, so I
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  didn't want to. Yeah.
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  And. I saw it in the gym like
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  everyone does, you know, you do a couple of weight trainings and
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  then I went for a couple of like what, 6K runs?
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  I remember in Mauritius I could hardly do a 3K and I stopped.
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  So like going back to then, it's been like a long journey.
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  But then we just found passion for it.
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  I don't really know how. I think for for me, it becomes
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  habit and then when you lose that habit, you actually realize
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  that you were relying on that quite a lot and then you get
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  back into it. And that has almost actually
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  become what this podcast sort of has been for me as well as like
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  for a while it was like, oh, I'm habitually doing this on repeat.
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  And then when it started to slow down, I was like, I kind of, I
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  kind of need to talk about what's grinding my gears and
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  like all these things that, all these things that we do now.
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  And like, I actually really enjoy it.
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  And it's, it's one of those things that after taking a
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  slight step back from for a while, I was like, hold on a
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  minute. No, I need to keep doing this
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  for sure. But we we have the grace this
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  time of doing a guest episode and Charles is with us.
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  That was obviously going to happen.
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  Charles has been far too involved to be cut out in any
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  episodes. But Charles has got a coaching
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  background. I do, I know for a fact that
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  Charles is not sat here opposite Roscoe, going to stay quiet
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  about the training side of things.
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  So I'm going to let him. Dive, which I'm not.
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  Going to let him loose first of all.
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  First of all, you did the T100 a few weeks ago.
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  How did it go? It went really well.
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  It went really well. I was feeling super strong going
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  into it. I was very happy with my taper,
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  my training. I said, I think I said to you
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  before, no matter what happened on the day, I was super happy
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  with how I was entering the race.
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  So whether it went well or poor, I'd done everything I could up
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  until the race. The actual time, maybe probably
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  a bit disappointed. I did cramp up on the run, so I
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  had three minutes of lying down digging into my hamstring and
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  the coach has said that I wasn't taking enough sodium.
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  Sure, which as a big sweaty guy is probably 100% right.
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  But also I was in ATT position for my first time on a race, so
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  that could be different. Like leg angles, Sure, hamstring
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  and yeah, but otherwise super good.
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  You wonder what was the weather like?
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  Oh, beautiful. Yeah, so super hot blue.
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  Stars like sure, that will take like.
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  Yeah, the sodium stuff, 100%. So it was hot, but we started at
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  6:30. It wasn't too bad.
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  And remind me the distances then.
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  So it was a 2K swim, Yeah, 80 K ride and an 18K cycle and right.
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  So it's very similar to Half Fireman, Yes, OK.
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  Short to the half, fireman. Yeah, yeah.
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  But cycling through London like that was incredible. 4 lane
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  highways close. Roads, yeah, really cool.
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  Flat. Cruisy, but I've never been a
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  Rd. cyclist in my history so running and swimming is
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  definitely my strong points. And the swim I just loved.
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  I was like a whale at the beach because I wanted to take it
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  slow. Previous races my heart rate was
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  like 175. I said I'm not swimming hard, so
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  I was just chilling, like loving.
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  It was good. You came out of the water
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  because I was, I was there. I was filming Roscoe.
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  I was not doing a great job as it actually turned out, but I
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  you were still pretty early on out of the water for your wave
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  as well. And you came out and you, you
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  were literally chilling. You were laughing, joking,
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  trying to talk to me. And I was like, we've had this
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  discussion. Transition is where you lose it.
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  In you go. Yeah, I just, I love it.
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  I love the swim and it's a pity it's so short in these races and
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  I want to do more swimming. So I did a swimming race the
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  weekend before, 3K swim race that way.
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  I pushed it and went hard and came out of a dizzy.
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  But I've got my eye on the UK channel and like I pulled out of
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  Alvin Island Swim, which was really.
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  Sad. I'm interested in that because
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  I've met a few S Africans who like.
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  I think culturally there's like you swim from very small and
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  swimming is a big part of life and sport and culture in South
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  Africa. Is that actually true?
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  You kind of swimming your whole life, 100% school.
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  There's swimming pools, 25 meters.
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  So you're always swimming at school, preschool all the way up
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  to grade 7. I think you guys work in
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  different grades, But yeah, so swimming always.
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  And then also the beach, like the beach, like you're always at
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  the beach. If your child is not a swim,
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  that's a problem. So swimming lessons and stuff
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  very regular but school pushes it and galas like all the way up
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  to high school and uni so and then water.
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  Polo as well, do you? Water polo?
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  Yeah, sure. Interesting.
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  Because when I was at school, we did some swimming lessons from
• 16:49
  like the age of, I want to say I must have been like 9 or 10.
• 16:53
  It was kind of compulsory part of school.
• 16:54
  But if you were bad, you just didn't swim.
• 16:57
  You just didn't swim. We've just.
• 16:58
  Talked about this before. Yeah.
• 16:59
  So it's, it's like in the UKI don't know if it's like a
• 17:01
  selective thing or it's like a genetic thing.
• 17:03
  But the kids who can swim, swim, Yeah.
• 17:05
  And the kids who just don't swim go and play other sports and
• 17:08
  there's, there's no real like push to get better.
• 17:10
  And that's where I am now because I'm sure we'll talk
• 17:13
  about it as well. I'm starting to get a little bit
• 17:14
  more into tryout. Well, you've got, you've got an
• 17:16
  announcement, an official announcement.
• 17:18
  Go on. Well, I mean I hinted to it last
• 17:21
  time on the podcast, but I have now officially signed up for my
• 17:23
  first 70.3, so that will be next year summer in Swansea.
• 17:29
  I know Wales, the Welsh coast. That's a hilly 1.
• 17:32
  The cycle's hilly, but luckily the rum route's pretty, pretty
• 17:36
  happy. And then the swim, I think it's
• 17:38
  like almost like a Bay swim or it's relatively enclosed.
• 17:42
  So it is sea swim, but I think the water should be OK.
• 17:46
  But that's, that's my challenge now because yeah, I had swimming
• 17:49
  lessons when I was younger at school, but since then, nothing.
• 17:53
  And I'm, I'm not good at swimming.
• 17:54
  I don't, no. I was going to say, I don't know
• 17:57
  though, because if I was to look at you and say your strength,
• 17:59
  I'd probably say your strength is on the bike because of where
• 18:02
  you're at right now. But you're running.
• 18:04
  Historically, your running has been your thing.
• 18:06
  So like those two would obviously be at the forefront,
• 18:09
  but I wouldn't say by any means you're a bad swimmer, I think.
• 18:12
  But also there's so little access to open water swimming in
• 18:16
  the UK you're talking about, or we can just jump in the ocean
• 18:18
  and we swim very, we're really confident in the ocean for us.
• 18:22
  Where am I going to swim open water in London?
• 18:24
  So I have very little to no experience swimming open water.
• 18:28
  And that the idea of a big, wide open expanse of water, a deep
• 18:32
  expanse of water where you can't see, that's kind of scary.
• 18:35
  So it's kind of like overcoming the fear of being able to swim
• 18:38
  in the water rather than the performance element.
• 18:40
  Like, I'm sure I can get through it, but it's like, what if I
• 18:43
  freak out in the water? So it's like all of the
• 18:45
  elements. For those that are listening,
• 18:46
  potentially from South Africa or other places that haven't been
• 18:48
  to London, the Thames is not an option people die in.
• 18:53
  There. Yeah, so you do, you do have a
• 18:55
  few lidos and they are good. But if you time it wrong,
• 19:00
  obviously they can be rammed because there aren't that many
• 19:02
  of them, especially if we're talking about this time of year.
• 19:04
  I mean, it's just a. Different to the ocean, yeah.
• 19:06
  So you don't see Swansea being like heavy swells?
• 19:09
  No, but because we at Muscle Bear, it was like heavy swells
• 19:12
  and they're like plenty of sharks underneath us.
• 19:16
  I think I'll be OK with that in. Wales but also one the wet suit
• 19:21
  is just such a game changer. Yeah, just practice swimming in
• 19:23
  the wet suit. Sure, because 1.
• 19:25
  You can also cramp in your calves because it's quite tight
• 19:28
  so keeps the blood. But also you get that buoyancy
• 19:31
  factor. 100% yeah so practice with a pool boy and put some
• 19:35
  Vaseline on but yeah it does help you just got to stay calm
• 19:37
  because a lot of people freak out in the swimming but it
• 19:40
  luckily it's the shortest distance and if you just stand
• 19:43
  back a little bit like let people go and don't get mixed in
• 19:46
  the. I think that's the beauty of it
• 19:48
  as well. I had this conversation with a
• 19:49
  friend a couple of days ago where typically if I was
• 19:52
  entering something before, I'd be really hot on myself being
• 19:58
  super competitive at it. You mentioned my experience with
• 20:01
  high rocks. Or any sort of running race.
• 20:03
  The biggest demise is how competitive he is.
• 20:05
  I've. Got a lot of pressure on myself,
• 20:06
  but I know that swimming is a weakness for me.
• 20:09
  So just getting through the swim would be a major achievement and
• 20:12
  I'll be really pleased with that.
• 20:13
  Similar to Will on the weekend at Copenhagen, one of my clients
• 20:17
  who just became an Iron Man, which is really cool.
• 20:19
  Shout out. But yeah, the swim is kind of a
• 20:23
  scary place to be if you don't have that experience.
• 20:25
  And that's what he what he felt. And you're in the water for an
• 20:28
  hour 45. Well, yeah, he was, He was. 40.
• 20:31
  Five yeah and so he his basic thing was he knows that he can
• 20:34
  smash the bike we will actually have will on at some point soon
• 20:37
  so we can we can talk to him about it 45 so an hour and 45
• 20:40
  but he was going not. Shelter he was.
• 20:42
  No, I'm like, that's yeah, that wasn't Charles's water.
• 20:45
  Just swim cut off 2 hours 20. So he got in.
• 20:49
  He was the 4th, 4th last person into the water.
• 20:53
  He put a cap on for the first wave so that he stuck out like a
• 20:57
  sore thumb towards the back and that meant that they could
• 21:00
  basically just keep an eye on him.
• 21:01
  But he, he said he got into the water and what actually helped
• 21:05
  his confidence was that after 10 meters into the water, he heard
• 21:09
  someone that got in at the same time of him ask for help.
• 21:12
  And he was like, well, I'm not that bad and immediately carried
• 21:16
  on. But he basically just switched
• 21:17
  it up from doing a bit of front crawl, a bit of breaststroke, a
• 21:20
  bit of front crawl and just kept himself calm because he's had
• 21:24
  issues with wet suits and freak out simple before.
• 21:26
  So he's been doing swimming lessons and stuff.
• 21:28
  But he got through it. And when he came out, he was
• 21:30
  beaming ear to ear. What was his overall time?
• 21:33
  11 hours, 11 minutes. Shit that's good with an hour
• 21:36
  45. Yeah, so he did really, really
• 21:38
  well to work. And like, if you can shore up a
• 21:40
  little bit of swim technique, then you're on for a really
• 21:42
  solid time. Yeah, great on the bike, great
• 21:44
  on the run. If you do one swimming session a
• 21:47
  week until Swansea you'll be 100 loads of time.
• 21:50
  Yeah, 100%. So from your perspective
• 21:52
  training wise, what does a training week look like for you
• 21:55
  at the moment? Because you're you're what, 4
• 21:57
  weeks out from your Ayman? Yeah, so it's a good, it's a
• 21:59
  great question to come now because I've literally just had
• 22:01
  a really solid week. So basically on between running,
• 22:06
  cycling and swimming. Monday I did A16K where it's
• 22:10
  like 1K marathon pace and then 1K off then go to my 9:00 to.
• 22:14
  Five. I saw that on your Strava.
• 22:17
  And that's marathon pace, not Iron Man marathon pace.
• 22:20
  That would be like just doing marathon.
• 22:22
  But then lunchtime of my 9:00 to 5:00 I'm doing my strength
• 22:25
  sessions in the gym. Luckily the fitness versus one
• 22:28
  minute away. Then post sauna with the old
• 22:31
  man, then choose there. It'll be like a 3K swim plus an
• 22:37
  hour on the what bike or on my indoor trainer an hour 20 maybe
• 22:42
  and then so another double session.
• 22:43
  Then Wednesday is another double session.
• 22:45
  It'll be a run plus another strange session at lunchtime.
• 22:50
  And then Thursday will be a 3K swim.
• 22:53
  Friday was what was Friday I think another run.
• 22:57
  Then Saturday at a long cycle 108 KS and then Sunday I had a
• 23:00
  25K run. So seven days a week, multiple
• 23:04
  double days, I. Have so many questions, go on
• 23:07
  back to file. I like the fact that you also
• 23:10
  mentioned that you're working a nine to five as well.
• 23:12
  So it's like having to do all of that volume around a job that is
• 23:17
  like a challenge in itself, waking up super early or you're
• 23:21
  just managing it around. Waking up super early so I got
• 23:24
  to get like tomorrow I got to run a half marathon again in the
• 23:27
  morning before work. So I'm up at 5, got to get out
• 23:29
  there, got to get done back home.
• 23:31
  Shall change to the at 5:00 and. You've been doing that.
• 23:33
  How many weeks has prep been? Five months, so this is probably
• 23:38
  my biggest week, 15 hours, 160 kilometres, but basically that's
• 23:43
  over the last four to five months.
• 23:46
  And we had a half Ironman in November last year in Austria,
• 23:48
  which was beautiful. And the training was probably
• 23:51
  half what I'm doing now. But it's, it's been 2 years of
• 23:54
  triathlon training in general. But yeah, last four to five
• 23:58
  months is when we picked it up. But it's been 5:00 AM mornings,
• 24:00
  Monday to Friday, training on weekends.
• 24:02
  But then we have a deload week, obviously once a month.
• 24:05
  I think people, that's the thing people forget to consider and
• 24:09
  that's something working with Will, who just did Copenhagen
• 24:12
  Iron Man, something that you just completely neglect.
• 24:15
  It's like if you're doing a long brick session or something like
• 24:18
  that, or like you say you have to run 1/2 marathon, I'm working
• 24:21
  9:00 to 5:00, sometimes longer hours than that when I'm
• 24:23
  working, like how am I actually fitting that in?
• 24:25
  And that's like the behind the scenes that you don't get to see
• 24:28
  a lot of. So I think, and we've said it
• 24:30
  before, in terms of marathon training, just getting through
• 24:32
  the training is an achievement to get to the start line fit and
• 24:35
  healthy. So to be able to do that and put
• 24:38
  yourself on the start line, like you said at the beginning of the
• 24:40
  T100, I was just happy to be there in good shape, right.
• 24:44
  So whether I perform well or badly, it is what it is because
• 24:47
  I've, I've done the work up into that.
• 24:48
  So like that's commendable and. It's do you know what I find
• 24:50
  really interesting when I talk to people about Iron Man's?
• 24:52
  I'm like the training for it. People will be like, Oh yeah,
• 24:56
  they've done an Iron Man. I'll be like, do you know what
• 24:58
  that is? Do you know what that actually
• 24:59
  entails? And I go through it and I'm like
• 25:01
  just shy of 4K swim, 180K bike ride and then a marathon.
• 25:05
  And they're like, whoa, when they hear the marathon bit after
• 25:07
  they're like, whoa. And then they're like, how do
• 25:09
  you even train for that? And I'm like, well, if they do a
• 25:11
  full time job, they're up at 4-5 every morning for months.
• 25:16
  And that, that gets as much of A shock as the marathon bit of me
• 25:20
  saying what an Iron Man is. And I think that that 100% sort
• 25:24
  of signifies what it means is like the months of effort you
• 25:28
  have to put in to actually just finish it, let alone aim for a
• 25:31
  time in the in in the 1st place. Is is mad.
• 25:34
  I think lots of lots of it is contextual as well where you say
• 25:37
  you have to ride 180 K, people like, well, that's like a long
• 25:41
  bike ride, but go and ride 180 K.
• 25:44
  It's like even riding 100 miles, 160K, that messes you up.
• 25:48
  There's hours and hours on the bike.
• 25:50
  So then hop off and just go for a marathon.
• 25:52
  Like it, it doesn't make sense. And like when I was tracking,
• 25:55
  will you know the guys, the guy woke up earlier than me.
• 26:00
  He started before I was even out of bed and then I did my whole
• 26:04
  day, did my start and he's, oh, he's, oh, he's just got on the
• 26:08
  run. Yeah, he's on being on the bike
• 26:10
  for seven. Hours, I think he's he's very,
• 26:13
  very good on the bike. I mean, if we're, if we're
• 26:14
  talking about, you know, what the average person or the even
• 26:19
  even the average athlete in the UK can, can put out on a bike,
• 26:23
  Will is above that in his Iron Man race.
• 26:26
  He is holding that for five hours, 35 minutes without
• 26:30
  aerobars. I don't know what your
• 26:32
  prediction without aerobars. So like he's, he's good on a
• 26:35
  bike. He's not obviously going to be
• 26:37
  breaking world records or anything with doing that.
• 26:39
  So that also puts into perspective that if he's average
• 26:42
  for Iron Man, imagine on that, imagine how good people are and
• 26:45
  he's putting in hours and hours on the bike, as I'm sure you are
• 26:47
  as well. And it's just like, it's
• 26:49
  unbelievable that you can sustain that for that amount of
• 26:51
  time. Like you said, you can live
• 26:53
  pretty much a whole day in that time that someone's just sat on
• 26:55
  the Bible. It's incredible, yeah.
• 26:56
  But that's what grinds my gears is people that come from a
• 26:59
  riding back. Save it, Save it to hear it.
• 27:04
  We're gonna we're gonna hear it. We're gonna hear it.
• 27:06
  Save it, we're gonna hear it. I'm for sure you're gonna forget
• 27:09
  about it by the time you get to cry.
• 27:10
  My gears is where it's. Been for many years.
• 27:13
  OK, So what what we'll do is another thing that we always do
• 27:16
  with our guests. And I appreciate that since
• 27:18
  you've started the podcast, since you've started training, a
• 27:21
  lot of things have changed to where you are right now, sat on
• 27:23
  a bench in a guy who you didn't know is five months ago's
• 27:27
  kitchen living area podcast studio.
• 27:30
  Sorry. Yeah.
• 27:32
  So in that time, a lot has changed.
• 27:35
  Things have seemingly started to pick up quite a lot recently,
• 27:38
  both for the podcast and for yourself.
• 27:41
  Now that we're on the brink of, you know, for Lion Man as well,
• 27:45
  what would three pieces of advice be for a younger version
• 27:49
  of you? Doesn't have to be the same
• 27:50
  version of, you can be different ages, but three advice, Yeah.
• 27:56
  Well, definitely the first one would have to be like, do it
• 27:58
  now. And because Diet Sauce Monday is
• 28:00
  all about signing up, so it took us three years to start the
• 28:03
  podcast. So I could literally go back to
• 28:05
  that guy and be like, wake up, like start, Why are you not
• 28:07
  starting? And that's been the biggest
• 28:09
  thing that I said to myself, just sign up to that race,
• 28:12
  whatever is lingering in your mind when you go to sleep.
• 28:14
  I found every time I put my head in my pillow, I was thinking
• 28:16
  about starting a podcast, but I never did it.
• 28:19
  Like, how weird is that? And so many people must have
• 28:21
  that feeling about anything during a race, speaking to your
• 28:24
  boss about a race, starting business, whatever it is.
• 28:27
  So do it now. Definitely.
• 28:29
  My other piece of advice, like I said earlier, was if you get an
• 28:32
  opportunity to live abroad, whether it's for a short period
• 28:34
  of time or a long period of time, 100% take it.
• 28:37
  So cool to meet different people and they're in different
• 28:40
  cultures. Having done it twice now, no
• 28:42
  regrets. Unbelievable.
• 28:44
  And if you haven't gone to South Africa, go there.
• 28:48
  And the fourth, the third one would be, yeah, just I don't
• 28:52
  really have a third one off the top of my head.
• 28:56
  Remember, count to three, that kind of thing, Yeah.
• 28:59
  When going into a race, I'd say definitely stay calm because a
• 29:02
  lot of the time they call it my coach calls of getting aroused.
• 29:06
  When you go into a race, people get aroused.
• 29:08
  Definitely stay calm. Do some breath work because you
• 29:11
  don't want that heart rate to get too high because it'll stay
• 29:14
  there for your whole race and burnout.
• 29:16
  That's cool. I like that.
• 29:17
  Have you got more questions on coaching or programming?
• 29:19
  I do, yeah. Go on.
• 29:21
  But I, I want to, I want your coach to use a different term
• 29:25
  than arousal. I, I call it over stimulation,
• 29:29
  but it's the same thing. And even now, that sounds kind
• 29:31
  of. Weird.
• 29:32
  No? But maybe maybe that's the
• 29:33
  problem because you get over stimulated.
• 29:35
  Maybe he just gets aroused. The mid term is specific to him.
• 29:40
  Maybe that's why he gets in the water and loves it.
• 29:42
  Maybe that's why you get into higher options and start
• 29:44
  miscounting match. It could be.
• 29:45
  It could be. Anyway, let's move that on.
• 29:47
  I wanted to actually just quickly, if we've got time, dig
• 29:50
  a little bit more into the strength work that you're
• 29:53
  getting specific to your training.
• 29:55
  Because again, when you think about getting good for a long
• 29:59
  distance triathlon or triathlon, what are you looking at?
• 30:01
  You're looking at 3 disciplines, swimming, biking, running.
• 30:04
  The best thing to do is those things, swimming, biking,
• 30:07
  running. But obviously the strength work
• 30:09
  that you're doing is important for resilience around staying
• 30:13
  healthy and uninjured. I just wondered if we could get
• 30:16
  like a snapshot into what your strength training looks like.
• 30:19
  Absolutely. So I'm bringing it up as you
• 30:21
  were saying so that I can show you.
• 30:25
  But basically it's like kettlebell work mostly, and it's
• 30:28
  squats, lunges and then weird like cross lunges.
• 30:33
  It's all very quite technical with a with a kettle ball and
• 30:37
  two maybe, you know, weights on either side.
• 30:40
  So would you say the majority of what you're doing across the
• 30:42
  week is lower body focused? 100% there's.
• 30:44
  No, no upper body. OK, interesting.
• 30:46
  It's in lower body, glutes, hip, calves, hamstrings, hamstrings,
• 30:50
  quads and it's like quite technical and core.
• 30:53
  There's always a corset at the end.
• 30:56
  And so, and then is your your coaching bespoke?
• 30:59
  You're getting one to one coaching or OK, fine.
• 31:01
  So OK. So would you say that the
• 31:04
  training has been tailored towards your weaknesses because
• 31:08
  your coach has gone well, he's basically a fish.
• 31:10
  He doesn't, he doesn't need to focus on maybe some upper body
• 31:14
  pulling or he's, he's got pretty healthy shoulders already.
• 31:16
  I don't need to. Or would you say as a snapshot,
• 31:19
  as a whole, triathletes are looking more at lower body
• 31:22
  strength work than upper body? Yeah, 100%.
• 31:24
  I would say the latter. I do think that we knew that I
• 31:27
  was good at swimming, so I only swim twice a week.
• 31:29
  I think some people go swimming more, but in terms of upper body
• 31:34
  strength, yeah, I don't. I've never seen that across my.
• 31:37
  Well, I guess it's it's it's relative to how long you're
• 31:40
  spending on the bike and how long you're running versus how
• 31:42
  long you're actually in the water.
• 31:44
  Unless you're bad at swimming, because Even so, they're
• 31:47
  spending. Baby on the bike, Then you'll
• 31:49
  collect more. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:51
  True it is. True.
• 31:52
  Ohh. God.
• 31:52
  OK, that's gonna pull me into the next part.
• 31:56
  Hang on, hang on. I've got, I've got one more.
• 31:57
  And then when you're training for your biking or running
• 32:01
  sessions, are you working in zones?
• 32:04
  Is a lot of your work heart rate base or is it specific to paces
• 32:08
  or how's that kind of figured out?
• 32:09
  So it's specific to paces. So he does like a test.
• 32:12
  So I did a 400 meter Sprint swim for the swimming and I did a 5K
• 32:17
  as far as you could go and then the cycle is an FTP.
• 32:20
  So FTP is so cycles to the FTP and I quite like that.
• 32:23
  So my FTP now is 260. That's functional threshold
• 32:26
  power for. Which is how you hold that for
• 32:29
  what, 20 minutes is your average?
• 32:31
  And so now everything on the indoor trainer is set to that
• 32:34
  FTP. So if we're doing VO2 Max and
• 32:38
  we're doing like one minute at 280 watts, it does it
• 32:40
  automatically. So I have 10 sets of 280 watts
• 32:43
  for one minute, yeah. Or if we're doing hills, it's 10
• 32:46
  minutes at 240 watts, so I quite like that.
• 32:48
  About Swift, yeah, super cool and automatic.
• 32:50
  And is your programming delivered through training piece
• 32:52
  a great ONS yeah, automatically. It got so technical so quickly.
• 32:57
  I was. Going to say no, no ones using
• 32:59
  Swift is basically a computerized game version of
• 33:02
  cycling. But it does look, output wise,
• 33:04
  really good. And one of the things that I
• 33:05
  think is great is it's way more engaging.
• 33:07
  Like if you can race someone or just even race yourself, then
• 33:10
  that's going to push you in those moments where like you are
• 33:13
  on a ridiculously long bike ride where you kind of just want to
• 33:16
  get it done. And like you might be like, I
• 33:18
  can sit 3 watts below. Like who really cares?
• 33:20
  Well, if you're getting overtaken by your old self,
• 33:22
  you're probably not going to let that happen.
• 33:23
  But I, I, I've loved the indoor trainer, especially for London
• 33:27
  when, you know, it's raining outside and all that type of
• 33:29
  thing. I did a Half Iron Man on the
• 33:30
  indoor trainer in my house for 2 1/2 hours and loved it.
• 33:33
  Had the TV on and it just changes automatically.
• 33:36
  Yeah. So it's beautiful, yeah.
• 33:38
  That is really convenient. Cool.
• 33:40
  Well, can I go to my ground my gears?
• 33:42
  Because we're, we're, we're all about to spill the ground.
• 33:45
  My gears. I was like, we could go down a
• 33:47
  rabbit hole talking about. We can trap.
• 33:49
  On and trap on training, but we'll save that.
• 33:50
  So definitely come swimming with you anytime.
• 33:53
  Oh, that's key. I'm not invited.
• 33:57
  I don't. I don't.
• 33:58
  Know if I watched that a ridiculous amount?
• 33:59
  I don't know how to say no. OK, so grind my gears.
• 34:06
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• 34:09
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• 34:19
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• 34:22
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  So without further ado, well, this is that.
• 34:32
  You know what? I'm going to leave that as a
• 34:33
  relatively unsmooth transition. Actually, I reckon Roscoe's
• 34:36
  changed shirt claims it was because it was hot.
• 34:38
  It's definitely not because it's covered in South Africa and he's
• 34:40
  ready to go. Later on when we get to the The
• 34:43
  Rocks game, however, we were going to move on to Crime My
• 34:46
  Gears, but then while we were doing the T-shirt change, we
• 34:50
  well Roscoe. Is one of us.
• 34:51
  T-shirt and the rest of us stayed here.
• 34:54
  He mentioned actually that your training wise you haven't done
• 34:58
  like a full marathon or anything like that going into this.
• 35:00
  Yeah. So I wanted to say earlier when
• 35:02
  we were touching on what I was doing for the week, but
• 35:04
  basically I haven't done a marathon.
• 35:05
  My longest run has been 25 kilometers, which was yesterday.
• 35:09
  And my longest cycle is 112 kilometers.
• 35:12
  And we were just talking about, we've spoken about it a lot.
• 35:15
  They call it rubbish miles where people try and go too far in in
• 35:19
  one go where it's unnecessary. And another element is I've seen
• 35:22
  people training for marathons that are going to be hilly
• 35:25
  during a lot of hill training. That's also like unnecessary.
• 35:28
  So it's just interesting to see. Also, I want to key on there is
• 35:32
  the unnecessary bit like if you, if you're not aware it's
• 35:35
  unnecessary in terms of if let's say you decided to go and do a
• 35:39
  180K bike ride and then followed it with a full like a full
• 35:43
  marathon as part of your training.
• 35:44
  So you know what the distance feels like.
• 35:46
  Well, arguably if you did half of both, which is still quite a
• 35:49
  lot, at least you can then recover and do another session
• 35:52
  that's beneficial the next day rather than just rinsing
• 35:54
  yourself feeling ruined for five days and then you've basically
• 35:57
  lost five days training just because you did that.
• 35:59
  You do have to prioritize like relative intensity in your
• 36:01
  sessions because otherwise you won't see the adaptation.
• 36:05
  And also like if you're going to do freaking 180K bike and then a
• 36:09
  42K run, why don't you just do the whole thing?
• 36:13
  You might as well have just done the swing as.
• 36:14
  Well, yeah, you might as well, but.
• 36:17
  It's a right point, she's saying.
• 36:19
  Because this week is a full week.
• 36:21
  Then on Saturday I've got a half Iron Man basically without the
• 36:24
  storm, and then again the next weekend and then two weeks over.
• 36:27
  But at least you can do that because if physically you're in
• 36:29
  a position where you can do that and recover, But like if you
• 36:32
  just decided to go off and do, even if you decide to break up
• 36:34
  me like I'm doing the full distance today, but I'm going to
• 36:36
  have an hour between each thing as a transition, that's still a
• 36:39
  crazy amount of load. And that hour is not going to be
• 36:41
  long enough for your body to actually recover in any way that
• 36:43
  makes the next thing really that much easier.
• 36:45
  So that's an. Importance of having a coach and
• 36:49
  someone to guide you through it and, and overlooking all of your
• 36:52
  training going, you're doing enough, it's OK, you don't need
• 36:56
  to do anymore. So it's just like pull the reins
• 36:58
  back and have someone to kind of oversee it and make sure you're
• 37:01
  not getting injured and you're obviously getting the adaptation
• 37:04
  required to get fitter. And also you said last week your
• 37:07
  training week added up to what, 260 K so that you've done a full
• 37:11
  training week. I mean, you've done the full
• 37:13
  distance across the week. When it comes to race week,
• 37:15
  you're probably going to do a similar total distance across
• 37:17
  the week. It's just that most of it's
• 37:18
  going to be on the deck. So like there's actually not
• 37:20
  that much difference when you look at it like.
• 37:21
  That on straw though, so you don't.
• 37:23
  You don't. Want to be doing double the
• 37:24
  distance one week just because in four weeks time you're going
• 37:26
  to be in half the distance that week.
• 37:27
  It just all happens to be on one day.
• 37:29
  Well, I'm not Guinea pig, so let's see.
• 37:30
  Well, yeah, we will. We will see, but no, we thought
• 37:33
  that would be important to mention actually, because we're
• 37:36
  about to then rinse the fitness industry.
• 37:37
  So we wanted to basically do karma and do the right thing
• 37:40
  first. Now grind my gears.
• 37:43
  We've had a couple of people write in with theirs, but we
• 37:46
  obviously have a guest and we are intrigued to see what Roscoe
• 37:50
  has brought with him. He said that there was one
• 37:51
  that's been burning for a while. Do you want to let that free
• 37:53
  now? Well, it came.
• 37:54
  Two have come up in our conversation. 1 is good.
• 37:59
  Bike riders like doing Iron Man's.
• 38:01
  It grinds my gears because it's just riding the the riding part
• 38:07
  of the Iron Man is the longest. So let's call it 5 hours to six
• 38:09
  hours. These guys ride that easy.
• 38:12
  Like some guys can ride on bikes.
• 38:14
  My friends, they 16 kilograms less than me because they ride
• 38:19
  all the time and they're doing like 600 kilometers a month for
• 38:22
  10 years. So like they get on this.
• 38:25
  This is like the the debate between.
• 38:27
  I've actually got this. I've actually got this schedule,
• 38:29
  but we can bring it in now. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 38:31
  Just to counter before we even do that.
• 38:33
  My grind my gears is when good swimmers do Iron Man, That's not
• 38:38
  fair. Why it sucks?
• 38:39
  That's an uneven play. That's an hour of the 11 hours.
• 38:43
  I'm just, you know what? There's three of us.
• 38:45
  It grinds my gears when good runners do Iron Man's that that
• 38:48
  pisses me off. But this actually, we'll, we'll
• 38:51
  cut in. I mean, we've had barely any
• 38:53
  structure to this episode anyway so far, so we might as well keep
• 38:55
  it going. It's at least it's consistent,
• 38:57
  so. The question that we had, you
• 38:59
  messaged me, was it earlier this week you said who would win in
• 39:02
  an Iron Man. And this is this is actually a
• 39:04
  question towards you, but we'll probably have a short discussion
• 39:06
  on it. Who would win?
• 39:08
  Michael Phelps Tade Pagacha. Tade Pagacha from Yeah Cycling
• 39:14
  or so we basically have the world best in each discipline.
• 39:21
  Who do you think would win the Iron Man?
• 39:24
  Yeah, easy, I think. I think for me it has to be.
• 39:27
  Yeah, because like this is. The longest time.
• 39:30
  And we have to assume, we have to assume that the other for the
• 39:32
  other disciplines there are a basic level like I don't, I
• 39:35
  don't know how good. I do just say swimming or
• 39:38
  running, but the carryover from cycling into running, the
• 39:41
  mechanics is so similar and you have such good aerobics, right?
• 39:46
  He's VO2 Max is like 70. He's just cruising like Kapoge
• 39:49
  could also definitely be on his tails.
• 39:51
  I don't know about faults. I I do think, I do think felt to
• 39:54
  come last. Yeah, I think he'd come last.
• 39:56
  Like aerobically, yeah, he's great.
• 39:57
  But he does 3.8 K, he gets a what, half an hour lead?
• 40:01
  Because you just don't know if he's ever sat on a bike, you
• 40:03
  know, and if you haven't sat on a bike and you do 180, the
• 40:06
  muscles and stuff, cramping, he's got more chance of cramp
• 40:08
  because he's got very muscle. Doesn't matter anything about it
• 40:11
  and like. That thing is you saying being
• 40:13
  top heavy because you're training too much upper body is
• 40:15
  not good for the aerodynamics when you're on the bike.
• 40:17
  What I would love to see is I would assume that Kachogi is
• 40:19
  going to be last in to the run, but how far behind and how?
• 40:25
  Like how much does how much does he claw back it?
• 40:28
  Would. Just be such a good race.
• 40:30
  It would be a great race to watch.
• 40:31
  So you know, they're obviously good on they're they're
• 40:33
  listening to this. So guys, let us know when you
• 40:35
  want us to organise it. What?
• 40:36
  Do you know the enhanced games? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 40:38
  yeah. We're getting all wrong.
• 40:39
  Yeah, on on more gear than they're already at.
• 40:44
  So the next grind my gears, I'll I'll take one.
• 40:48
  We've had someone write in with one and I'm I'm not going to
• 40:51
  mention them because I don't feel like this was something
• 40:54
  that they needed to be protected from, but they might do because
• 40:57
  it might be something that their company does.
• 40:59
  So they're grind my gears with JP, JP Morgan finish a tease.
• 41:05
  So when you do the JP Morgan, but when people are wearing
• 41:09
  those in and in and about, that does piss me off.
• 41:13
  Like come on, you don't need to. That's really good.
• 41:15
  You're right. You've done 1/2 marathon.
• 41:17
  That's really good. That's like.
• 41:18
  It's like, that's worse than wearing your medal out to dinner
• 41:21
  on a different day to the event. But JP Morgan on it is like.
• 41:25
  No, if you're wearing wearing a medal for finishing a 5K race,
• 41:30
  come on. I didn't.
• 41:33
  Make good idles and Parklands. I.
• 41:35
  Know you don't know. Park no, but be like if you got
• 41:37
  a medal for Parkland then you wore it out for dinner.
• 41:40
  Yeah, Yeah, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be great if you.
• 41:43
  Wearing my Iron Man 1. Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 41:46
  That can also get you free stuff.
• 41:47
  Copenhagen, In Copenhagen that would get you a free, you know,
• 41:50
  there's rickshaws that'll give you a free rickshaw anywhere in
• 41:54
  the city, which is the worst idea.
• 41:56
  But it was it was well. If you can't walk, I mean,
• 41:58
  that's great. Yeah, but you'd think they might
• 42:00
  do like a taxi promotion. Or like they do with the London
• 42:02
  Marathon. You dare you get free
• 42:03
  underground. No, you just get rickshaw.
• 42:05
  Would you get the tattoo? No, no, Really.
• 42:09
  Oh, shame. I enjoyed filming.
• 42:11
  We'll get the tattoo. Did he get one?
• 42:12
  Yeah, he got the tattoo. Yeah, I'd definitely.
• 42:14
  Get one. Where did he go?
• 42:16
  Well, apparently so. He put this up for debate and
• 42:18
  people, if you're listening to this, let us know what your
• 42:20
  opinions are. But it has to be on the lower
• 42:22
  portion of the calf, just above the sock line.
• 42:24
  You can cover it then if you want to.
• 42:26
  But like, that is the key location.
• 42:28
  And it's really simple, just a black outline.
• 42:29
  You don't have to go crazy with the colours.
• 42:31
  I know some people. So there is there like a like a
• 42:33
  community thing. Oh.
• 42:34
  It's a thing. Oh yeah, it's a thing.
• 42:35
  No, the Iron Man tattoo is a thing, Yeah.
• 42:36
  Yeah, so I jumped at saying no just because I haven't got a
• 42:39
  tattoo and the first one I have to get is Diocese Monday because
• 42:41
  one of my other hosts has done it already.
• 42:43
  Yeah, OK. If I have to just.
• 42:45
  Do them at the same. Time incorporate the two.
• 42:47
  Yeah, you actually could. Yeah, maybe.
• 42:48
  That's the hard line. You could have the I'm not going
• 42:51
  to go into it. We're not we're not a tattoo
• 42:55
  designing podcast. Have you got a Grandma Gears?
• 42:58
  Yeah, line bikes riding around Richmond Park.
• 43:03
  Yeah, Amen. You've got to clock your KS in
• 43:05
  somehow, surely? Oh.
• 43:06
  Mate, it's OK, right? Let me just give some context.
• 43:11
  So I think this is only specific to people who probably ride
• 43:14
  their bikes around Richmond Park could maybe more into their
• 43:17
  cycling line bikes. Just they don't have a place in
• 43:20
  Richmond Park because they're people who don't really know how
• 43:23
  to ride and they're like trying to film the deer and they're
• 43:26
  weaving all over the place. And I nearly got taken out by
• 43:28
  one on the way here. So it's fresh on my mind.
• 43:30
  I was just annoying and I just like, I don't like it.
• 43:34
  And that's why we have. Ground, I guess.
• 43:36
  Do you know what it does? It does annoy me a little bit.
• 43:37
  The line bites can get out there because when I have a, when I've
• 43:40
  ever gone over that way, they're just literally on the grass,
• 43:43
  like randomly lying there. I'm like this, this is not
• 43:46
  London. Come on, we don't do that here.
• 43:48
  Yeah, obviously they don't have a place in in Richmond Park.
• 43:51
  I'm going to. Combine with what you said
• 43:53
  earlier where you just don't like slow people.
• 43:56
  You didn't say that, did you? That wasn't me, you would say.
• 43:59
  That no, no, no, I I'm going to, as we slowly pass it back, I'm
• 44:04
  going to weigh in with one of mine.
• 44:06
  My one this week is something that I saw yesterday, which is
• 44:10
  egregious and I genuinely don't think I'm going to see it many
• 44:12
  more times in my life. I was in the gym the other day
• 44:15
  and someone is using clips on the Smith machine, which if you
• 44:23
  don't know the Smith machine is it's impossible to have the bar
• 44:26
  at an angle. That's the whole purpose of the
• 44:29
  machine is that the bar stays level.
• 44:30
  It's on 2 rails so putting clips on that.
• 44:32
  Do you not think though that were they, were they spotting?
• 44:37
  They were lunging. Do you not think that the upward
• 44:40
  movement on the bar could potentially, over time, make the
• 44:44
  plates slide slightly? Yeah, over an hour or two.
• 44:46
  Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
• 44:48
  Or maybe they're just so well practiced at putting.
• 44:51
  Plates. Stop defending them.
• 44:52
  You know, you know for a fact that if you saw one of your
• 44:54
  clients do that, they wouldn't be your client anymore.
• 44:56
  No, I'd be like I, I'm, I appreciate that you're
• 44:59
  practicing safe, safe, safe so. It's it's muscle memory.
• 45:02
  Yeah, it's gone. I'm putting weight on the bar.
• 45:04
  So now I need to put clips on the bar because all these things
• 45:07
  I'll. Definitely put the clips on in
• 45:09
  that situation before I'm quite nervous in the gym.
• 45:12
  He's like, yeah, yeah, like. What?
• 45:15
  He puts the clips on the kettle bells I reckon.
• 45:19
  Have you got? What was the second one you
• 45:21
  mentioned? That the second one is going
• 45:23
  back to training peaks which might be if people don't know
• 45:26
  but getting a non green block. This is so specific, you're
• 45:31
  going to have to give more. Yeah.
• 45:33
  It's like what Training Peaks actually is for the people who
• 45:35
  don't know. Yeah.
• 45:36
  Basically Training Peaks is the training platform that the coach
• 45:39
  sets your training for the week and he'll put in a block there.
• 45:43
  Say it's an easy run for an hour.
• 45:45
  If you run for 44 minutes, orange.
• 45:48
  If you run for 35 minutes, red. And then your whole calendar
• 45:52
  looks like shit basically. And it's just so because a 35
• 45:56
  minute run is a good run. It doesn't have to be an hour.
• 46:01
  And then people like it can actually get to people, like
• 46:03
  emotionally and like people get anxious about not hitting their
• 46:06
  blocks and not having. It's the same on Strava where
• 46:09
  you get consistency across your your like the amount you're
• 46:13
  doing across each week. So it's like if I hit 35 KS per
• 46:17
  week, which is what I've been doing for the last four weeks in
• 46:19
  my prep for 10K race, if I don't hit 35, it's like this slight
• 46:24
  dip or it's slight peak and it just is so unsatisfying that
• 46:27
  emotionally gets to me. I do that.
• 46:30
  I reckon that's kind of half the point though, isn't it?
• 46:33
  It's like it's supposed to keep you accountable.
• 46:34
  Yeah, that is, yeah. But like there's limits because
• 46:37
  like to all the tech you know, waking up and getting a bad
• 46:40
  sleep score. Yeah.
• 46:42
  How's it going? Getting an orange block on my
• 46:44
  training peaks in. I think we're talking to the
• 46:45
  right audience there. People will be able to relate
• 46:48
  to. Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 46:49
  Relatable. Another one that I've got, which
• 46:51
  is extremely random pissing in the pool.
• 46:56
  Which pool? Surely people don't do that.
• 46:58
  I've been I've been raised, I've been raised that pissing in the
• 47:01
  pool not I didn't believe the die thing.
• 47:03
  Like, you know, when you're told on holiday, there's no for those
• 47:06
  that thought that was true, it's not true, but I just didn't
• 47:09
  think that people actually did that.
• 47:10
  But. I'm but if you're I'm we're
• 47:12
  probably speaking to someone who has more experience with
• 47:14
  competitive swimming. Swimmers very famously and are
• 47:18
  well known for they spend like hours in the pool.
• 47:21
  They're just going to piss in the pool.
• 47:23
  Just get out. That's right.
• 47:24
  Yeah, I would I. Would I mean if you're, if
• 47:26
  you're, I'm not saying. I.
• 47:28
  Personally don't do it but. If you're, but also the reason
• 47:31
  that I brought this up is there was an experiment done.
• 47:34
  It was done by like myth Busters or something, but they they
• 47:37
  basically took a bucket of chlorinated water and left it
• 47:40
  out in the sun. And they took a buck, the same
• 47:42
  bucket of chlorinated water in terms of volume and mix and
• 47:45
  everything and put like a small test tube of urine in it.
• 47:48
  And then the next day they came back and the one that was just
• 47:50
  chlorine water didn't smell, smelled just like water.
• 47:53
  And the other one smelled like swimming pool.
• 47:55
  And what that's made me realize is every time you can smell a
• 47:57
  swimming pool, it's got piss in it.
• 48:00
  That is exactly what that is. It's the reaction between the
• 48:02
  the urine or what's in the urine.
• 48:05
  I didn't like going to the swimming pool as it was.
• 48:07
  I know and now I. Will not be the stronger the
• 48:10
  smell. The more pissed.
• 48:12
  I'll be honest, I was in fitness first gym the other day and we
• 48:15
  got taken out of the pool and they were digging for something
• 48:18
  in the kids lane. No, they were digging.
• 48:22
  For they were digging for something.
• 48:23
  Hopefully. Hopefully you had a turd or
• 48:24
  something, not a child. And then the kid, yeah.
• 48:29
  And the kid was. Crying.
• 48:30
  Oh, no, I just, I just walked away.
• 48:34
  I bet you've been in since, though.
• 48:35
  I mean, training's training. Got to get those peaks, got to
• 48:39
  be green. No excuses.
• 48:44
  Oh my. God, you're stacked.
• 48:45
  You've got a couple more, at least I.
• 48:46
  I'm not ready to go. I'm not ready.
• 48:48
  To go OK, I can do one more. I think this is actually going
• 48:50
  to upset quite a lot of the diet starts Monday listeners.
• 48:52
  So listener, in the UK we have a thing called a barbecue and in
• 48:59
  South Africa you have. I'm so glad I'm wearing this
• 49:01
  shirt. OK, in South Africa, you have
• 49:03
  how do you how would you say it? A bra?
• 49:05
  A bra. OK BBQ, as far as I'm concerned,
• 49:10
  if we boil it down to what it really is, it's they're the same
• 49:13
  thing. They're slightly different,
• 49:15
  slightly different food maybe that you put on there, but it's
• 49:18
  more than a bra. Yeah.
• 49:20
  A bra gets so much. And then I watched a video on
• 49:22
  how to do the best bra and I was like, this is a BBQ.
• 49:25
  It's the same thing. Like it's, it's a, it's a BBQ.
• 49:29
  We've had, we've got some music, we've got some bits.
• 49:31
  I'm a bit nervous to be associated with this.
• 49:35
  It's about the energy and there's so much associated with
• 49:37
  the bride, like Spring Rock Rugby.
• 49:39
  That's why I said I'm glad I'm making this shirt.
• 49:41
  It's like the community behind the bride, but also because we
• 49:44
  have quite a big Afrikaans community and like dry and force
• 49:48
  and the sausage and the meat and the smoke and the Branavan and
• 49:52
  Coke brown and Coke like that is dry and like it's, it's it's
• 49:57
  like a vibe. Do you know why?
• 49:59
  Do you know I mean? I'm going to defend myself.
• 50:00
  Everything like that. We wouldn't get it because I
• 50:02
  think you have to be like in it to get it.
• 50:04
  You have to be there. Yeah, so when you come to South
• 50:06
  Africa and you go to a bra, you'll be like this isn't a BBQ.
• 50:10
  OK. That would be my, but you'd have
• 50:12
  to see it, it's hard to explain. But do you?
• 50:14
  Do you come to like a British person's garden and go?
• 50:18
  This is so bad there. You go, yeah, this ain't a
• 50:26
  bride, but you're not like you're not.
• 50:28
  They're going, sorry guys, this isn't a BBQ.
• 50:30
  This is a bride. No.
• 50:31
  No, no, because it is a bride take OK like coming to your
• 50:34
  house, having meats on the bride on the.
• 50:37
  There's always like, a really pale, sunburned British guy,
• 50:41
  some really horrible bears. Yeah, and it's not actually hot
• 50:45
  or sunny. Yeah, no, it's just like we've
• 50:47
  we've got rice holiday so we're outside but.
• 50:50
  Technically it's the same thing. OK, but also we have, we are
• 50:53
  privileged with such good meat, like if you have a piece of
• 50:56
  butterballs from South Africa. You'll be like, this is Bry.
• 50:59
  Yeah, this is Bry. In the conversation about Bry,
• 51:02
  the thing, the reason that I know that I am wrong and it was
• 51:04
  a bit I'm backtracking here, but you said like 3 words about
• 51:09
  things that you have and I've not known what a single one of
• 51:11
  the main whatever you just said then didn't know you said
• 51:15
  another one that was like force and but it wasn't force the.
• 51:18
  Type of sausage, right? It's like dry.
• 51:20
  He rolled his. ARM yeah, they did that in South
• 51:22
  Africa. Think about a German black
• 51:24
  force. I feel like that's their big
• 51:26
  sausage. Yeah.
• 51:27
  So a buttervorce is our big sausage.
• 51:29
  Nice. And it's nice and thick.
• 51:32
  Nice. There's going to be so many.
• 51:34
  You know when I said you have to be there, you know, you know, I
• 51:37
  said you have to be there. I I think you've really got to
• 51:39
  be into big sausages. No, but then like you get lamb
• 51:43
  chops, like lamb good lamb chops, lamb chops.
• 51:46
  To be there, yeah, I will give that.
• 51:47
  But you're it's just it's just the vibe, man, because also like
• 51:49
  to get wood here for a wood Bry is almost impossible.
• 51:52
  And we obviously have Weber's which?
• 51:55
  Oh, a Weber BBQ. Yeah, a Weber BBQ.
• 51:57
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people say Weber, so that's
• 52:01
  a huge debate. But yeah, so I would say it's
• 52:06
  more the meaning behind the word than it is they are correlated
• 52:10
  the same. Yeah.
• 52:11
  Bry BBQ. OK, cool.
• 52:12
  Well. I hope that it was a good one
• 52:14
  too. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:14
  Yeah, I like that one. What do Americans call it?
• 52:18
  Grilling, yeah. Grilling, yeah.
• 52:21
  Smoking. Smoking.
• 52:22
  No. Smoking is different.
• 52:23
  Yeah, smoking is like a way to cook.
• 52:24
  Yeah, it's just grim. Go on, you've loaded.
• 52:29
  My 1 is, again, it's like stupidly specific to, well, you
• 52:34
  did lunch CrossFit. I saw that on your strum, so
• 52:36
  maybe you're a CrossFit for now. So this is going to be so
• 52:39
  specific for CrossFit coaches and anyone who's worked in a
• 52:43
  CrossFit gym. But often someone will come to
• 52:45
  the gym who is not a member of your gym and they're like a drop
• 52:50
  in. They're just coming.
• 52:51
  Maybe they're travelling or they just want to try the gym and
• 52:55
  they'll walk in and I won't recognize them.
• 52:56
  So I'll go. Hey, how are you?
• 52:58
  Nice to meet you. My name's Charles.
• 53:00
  And I'll ask them what their CrossFit experience is and
• 53:02
  they'll go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do CrossFit.
• 53:05
  I'm like, all right. Where?
• 53:07
  And they'll they'll instantly go, shit, I shouldn't have lied.
• 53:12
  I shouldn't have told the CrossFit coach that I did
• 53:14
  CrossFit. So they start in a gym.
• 53:18
  You won't know it. I've been, I've been to lots of
• 53:20
  gyms. I might know it.
• 53:22
  I'll go it's, it's not in the UK.
• 53:24
  I'm like, well, I've been to lots of gyms, I might know it
• 53:27
  and they, they start backtracking.
• 53:28
  I'm like, well, clearly this person hasn't done CrossFit.
• 53:31
  Anyway, we start doing the session and it'll be something
• 53:33
  really specific to CrossFit like handstand push ups or toes to
• 53:36
  bar or start barbell snatching, something like that.
• 53:39
  And for sure they've got no idea what they're doing, but they
• 53:42
  have to now continue up the facade that they've done
• 53:45
  CrossFit before. And I'm like, look, I've been
• 53:47
  doing CrossFit since 2016. I can tell pretty much instantly
• 53:52
  whether or not you've done CrossFit before, even from not
• 53:54
  seeing you move. If you walk in and you're
• 53:56
  probably not wearing CrossFit trainers or you wearing
• 53:58
  something that doesn't look very crossfitty, I'll know you're not
• 54:01
  doing CrossFit. So what grinds my gears is you
• 54:04
  coming into the gym and lying about the fact that you do
• 54:06
  CrossFit. Just be honest.
• 54:08
  Maybe, maybe my grind, my gear is people lying, liars.
• 54:11
  I hate liars. That's so broad.
• 54:14
  You went from so neat to so broad.
• 54:17
  That was just a massive. Wow.
• 54:19
  I'm glad I got that off my dress.
• 54:21
  There's going to be so many CrossFit coaches who just
• 54:24
  instantly resonate the thing. Is though, like I, I, I get it
• 54:27
  as someone that turned up for the first time actually and met
• 54:29
  you, it's like you want to make sure that you have a rapport
• 54:34
  with the person that's being. So you're obviously going to go
• 54:36
  up and be like, if you were like, if you don't CrossFit
• 54:37
  before, I'd be like, yeah, I've done some rowing.
• 54:40
  Before you'd be like, I've done functional fitness and then I'll
• 54:43
  go. Would you have experience with
• 54:44
  gymnastics? And I would have been a lie,
• 54:45
  because I haven't. OK, well now if you'd gone into
• 54:48
  a CrossFit gym and you walked in and you went and I said, have
• 54:51
  you done CrossFit before, you'd be like, no, no, no, I've
• 54:53
  trained in a CrossFit gym. I've done some functional
• 54:56
  movement. And I know the hybrid rock star,
• 54:58
  right? Yeah.
• 54:59
  Or, or you just say, yeah, I've done a lot of high rocks
• 55:01
  training in that. I've made done some power cleans
• 55:04
  or something like that. I have gym experience, but I
• 55:06
  don't know how to do gymnastics because then for me as a coach,
• 55:09
  I go safety triage. I can look out for you and be
• 55:12
  like, hey, you can't do that yet.
• 55:13
  I'm going to help you out and I'm going to give you some
• 55:15
  safety precaution scaling options.
• 55:17
  Rather than being like, yeah, I assume this guy can do a
• 55:19
  handstand walk. What this, this falls back on
• 55:22
  lying in fitness or lying about your fitness.
• 55:25
  It can only go wrong. You can never so free can never
• 55:28
  go right. Yeah, Yeah.
• 55:29
  Well CrossFit is quite intimidating as a non
• 55:31
  crossfitter. I've spoken to a lot of people
• 55:33
  about that. Like walking into a CrossFit gym
• 55:35
  you kind of like. So you feel like you have to say
• 55:37
  you've done it before. Maybe it's a MEEP, maybe I'm
• 55:39
  intimidating. No, I wouldn't say to you that
• 55:41
  I've done CrossFit, but like if you came, I would just, yeah, I
• 55:45
  would definitely say I'd need help.
• 55:46
  Yeah, but I would also be nervous to say that I think to
• 55:49
  you because I don't know. I'm trying to picture.
• 55:52
  I'm trying to picture myself doing it now.
• 55:55
  No, this this. Is that a me thing or?
• 55:56
  Hold on, hold on, hold on. This is crying my gears.
• 55:58
  We don't have to justify, all right?
• 56:00
  It just we we listen and we whatever, and we appreciate.
• 56:04
  Yeah. We just move on.
• 56:05
  If you lie, you're bad. Don't lie.
• 56:08
  That's what we got from that. Cool.
• 56:10
  And I'm happy with that. Good.
• 56:12
  Yeah, great. Have you have you got others
• 56:14
  that you you want to release? Not for now, not for now.
• 56:16
  Save them. In which case we're we're going
• 56:18
  to move on. We've got another thing that is
• 56:21
  related to Crying My Gears. For those of you that have been
• 56:24
  listening to the last few episodes and for those of you
• 56:26
  that have been here for a while, you will know there is a certain
• 56:29
  thing that has grind has been grinding my gears for a while,
• 56:33
  which is a specific flavour of something so.
• 56:35
  This is not grind my gears. This is kind of grind my gears
• 56:38
  but this has been going on for some time and I've finally
• 56:42
  managed to retrieve it. So Roscoe, you won't know this,
• 56:46
  you won't know this. Birthday cake flavoured things
• 56:49
  has been pissing me off for a while.
• 56:51
  What flavour is birthday cake? It can be anything.
• 56:55
  Correct answer. So it's not a flavour.
• 56:57
  So you might like chocolate cake, I might like Victoria
• 57:01
  sponge. So birthday cake velvet?
• 57:02
  Exactly. Great choice.
• 57:04
  Not the birthday cake flavour. So the fact that you can buy
• 57:07
  protein bars, protein powders, they're all birthday cake
• 57:09
  flavour. Piss off, that's not there,
• 57:13
  right? However, So what?
• 57:14
  How does it taste like? Well, we're about to find out
• 57:17
  because Marks and Spencer, I don't know if you know this,
• 57:19
  Marks and Spencer released a strawberries and cream sandwich
• 57:23
  this year which has gone viral of course, and we tasted it in
• 57:27
  the last episode. It tastes pretty good.
• 57:29
  They have done a fantastic job of timing that with when
• 57:31
  Wimbledon have yet, which is why they did it.
• 57:33
  However, Tesco thought, well, this is an opportunity to cash
• 57:36
  in on the hype, so we're going to make a birthday cake
• 57:39
  flavoured sandwich which you can get in the meal deal.
• 57:41
  Now I'm going to give Tesco one piece of credit here.
• 57:46
  Tesco gave 2 sandwiches per packet.
• 57:47
  So for those that don't know the M&S packet you only get 1/2 of a
• 57:50
  sandwich when you get it. However, I have pre cut this.
• 57:53
  I'm struggling to get out of the Tupperware but I have pre cut
• 57:56
  this so we can all have our own. Do you need that?
• 57:58
  And quarter I'm good, I'm good. OK.
• 58:01
  Would you like to help yourself to I'm you have to wait?
• 58:04
  This actually looks amazing. I'm so excited.
• 58:07
  It's. Got a funfetti in it.
• 58:08
  It's also got jam in it. So this is a birthday cake
• 58:10
  flavoured sandwich. You can get this in Tesco.
• 58:15
  Roscoe's doing a great job of showing what's going on.
• 58:17
  That's the label. Theo the pod dog is now very
• 58:19
  interested in what's going on, but we're all going to try it.
• 58:22
  It's it's it's. I bought this from the shop in.
• 58:25
  The meal deal, it's interesting that you said it looks like a
• 58:27
  dessert because M&S had like a lawsuit between whether it was
• 58:31
  sold as a dessert or a sandwich. Because well, I found out more
• 58:34
  on this. So a cake doesn't, you don't
• 58:37
  have to pay tax on a cake in the UK, but you have to obviously
• 58:40
  pay tax on sandwiches. So if they can prove that it is
• 58:44
  a cake, they don't have to pay tax on every sale.
• 58:46
  But. But real me this does that bread
• 58:49
  love yellow? It it does because we are
• 58:51
  supposed it's supposedly cake bread, so it is cake.
• 58:54
  He's like, I like. It was cooked like a leg.
• 58:57
  Yeah. This looks American.
• 58:58
  Yeah. No, there's some British BBQ,
• 59:01
  some grill. I'm going to, I'm going to give
• 59:03
  it a go and we'll report back, but I'm already very heavily
• 59:06
  against this 321. Because there's never been
• 59:12
  better ASMR on this podcast for. Sure.
• 59:16
  That's so dead, I don't rate that at all.
• 59:21
  The bread definitely is brioche. I don't know.
• 59:24
  It's it's like it is bread, though.
• 59:26
  It's. Like cream, cheesy.
• 59:27
  Yeah, it's like a Tang. Unless it's just been left out
• 59:30
  from. No, no, no.
• 59:30
  It's been in the fridge. It's been fine.
• 59:32
  But this, it's got funfetti in it.
• 59:34
  It's got like, yeah, sweet cream cheese, cheap jam.
• 59:39
  And it it actually this is way closer to being bread than the
• 59:42
  M&S. One, the sprinkles needed to be
• 59:44
  crunchy. They needed some more texture,
• 59:46
  but. They've gone soft in the cream
• 59:48
  sheets. I'm also like, it's sweet bread,
• 59:51
  It's sweet jam and it's sweet cream.
• 59:53
  Why? Why would I dislike that?
• 59:55
  Yeah. I'm.
• 59:56
  I mean, I'm not. But like, would you buy one?
• 59:59
  But would you buy? It now I've had it, probably
• 1:00:01
  not. OK.
• 1:00:02
  Would you buy it? If we're talking on its own,
• 1:00:05
  it's like £2.25 in the meal deal.
• 1:00:07
  It's now £3.85. Let's go put the meal.
• 1:00:08
  You're asking me in the context of buying a meal deal, because
• 1:00:11
  when would I ever buy this? Sweet meal, right?
• 1:00:14
  Yeah. But maybe.
• 1:00:15
  Buy it on its own? No, no.
• 1:00:17
  Well, then there's a lose. The meal deal, you get the
• 1:00:19
  sweet. Ones with my own question.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah, the meal deal you get the sweet with.
• 1:00:23
  Right, exactly. Unless you got something savoury
• 1:00:26
  as the snack to get, this is your main course.
• 1:00:28
  No, but no one's doing that. You.
• 1:00:30
  Serve that to me at your BBQ. I wouldn't be upset.
• 1:00:33
  You'd be like these fucking British people, they think this
• 1:00:37
  is a this is a bride and they're giving me a birthday cake
• 1:00:39
  flavour sandwich. But anyway, birthday cake
• 1:00:41
  flavour things, and we've proven it here, have no place in
• 1:00:44
  society. They aren't a flavour.
• 1:00:45
  Either make a chocolate cake flavoured sandwich or make a
• 1:00:48
  Victoria sponge or even hit the nail on the head red velvet
• 1:00:51
  sandwich with bang. If anyone wants that final
• 1:00:55
  quarter, you can have it guys, if you subscribe, we'll pick a
• 1:00:58
  subscriber this week and we'll send it during the post.
• 1:01:02
  Now what that brings us to is the last section of this
• 1:01:05
  podcast, which is the Rocks Game and it is my pleasure to host
• 1:01:09
  the game this time, which means that actually for the first time
• 1:01:11
  ever, we have a head to head. This is exciting.
• 1:01:13
  We have England versus South Africa.
• 1:01:15
  I kind of feel like we should be playing the national anthem
• 1:01:17
  before this, but we don't have enough time.
• 1:01:20
  You've got the shirt on which says everything.
• 1:01:23
  So we're going to start off. My track record is not looking
• 1:01:25
  good. We're not going to have buzzer.
• 1:01:27
  You're going to be able to both say what you think in your own
• 1:01:30
  time. OK, cool.
• 1:01:31
  OK, It will be obvious very quickly if one of you is copying
• 1:01:35
  the other, so don't do that. So we're going to start off
• 1:01:38
  question one. Listeners, please feel free to
• 1:01:40
  join in at home. Question one.
• 1:01:43
  What are the units of VO2 Max? Is it millimeters of oxygen per
• 1:01:50
  kilogram of body weight per minute?
• 1:01:52
  Is it milliliters of air per kilogram of body weight?
• 1:01:56
  Is it liters of oxygen per kilogram of body weight per
• 1:01:59
  second? Or is it millimeters cubed above
• 1:02:03
  zone 3 threshold per second? Who gets to go first?
• 1:02:10
  You can go first, you look quite confident.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah, well, that's a facade for sure.
• 1:02:15
  I definitely have my answer. OK, do you wanna do you wanna go
• 1:02:18
  I. Just steal it.
• 1:02:19
  From you there I would have said.
• 1:02:21
  A Well, I just said A. OK, you're both correct.
• 1:02:25
  It isn't millimetres of oxygen per kilogram that was.
• 1:02:28
  Legit my reputation on the line. Like all of my clients, I love
• 1:02:31
  to leave me. Because D was just a
• 1:02:33
  engineering. Yeah, it very quickly became an
• 1:02:37
  equation as I was writing it. Something above zone 3 something
• 1:02:40
  something. In 1995?
• 1:02:43
  In 1995, South Africa won the Rugby World Cup, correct?
• 1:02:48
  Who was the captain of that rugby team?
• 1:02:51
  I'm going to hand this to Charles first.
• 1:02:52
  Thank God I know his name. You know his name, of course?
• 1:02:57
  Obviously, yeah. I however do not know his name.
• 1:03:02
  Have you seen the film Invictus? I haven't, no.
• 1:03:04
  Oh, that's a shocker. But let me, let me.
• 1:03:07
  Move you for tonight. Let me explain to you the person
• 1:03:10
  that I'm envisaging, OK, And as I explained, maybe his name will
• 1:03:14
  come to me. You've got 20 seconds.
• 1:03:16
  He's. He's.
• 1:03:17
  Big. He's wearing a green shirt.
• 1:03:22
  He has blonde hair. Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  It's like du Plessis or something that sounds.
• 1:03:31
  Do you want to give the answer? Well, I'm confusing myself now.
• 1:03:35
  I know his name man. I want to say I don't want to
• 1:03:39
  get it wrong. I'm thinking of.
• 1:03:41
  Current, current France hello. I mean.
• 1:03:44
  Oh, it's not France. Hello though.
• 1:03:46
  No, it's not. It's close.
• 1:03:48
  No, because I know his name. Man, I'm getting confused.
• 1:03:50
  Oh, hello. A classic one.
• 1:03:51
  I'll give him the point because he said he knows it.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, you know what's the answer?
• 1:03:55
  It's Francois. Francois Nope.
• 1:04:02
  It begins with. It begins with P.
• 1:04:04
  They're going to shoot me Francois Pinot.
• 1:04:07
  That is 0 points to either of you, I'm afraid.
• 1:04:10
  If anyone from South Africa listen.
• 1:04:11
  However, this could play into your favour here.
• 1:04:12
  Charles. You're, you're, you still won
• 1:04:15
  one. Roscoe, you're going to have to
• 1:04:18
  answer this question first. England 2003, They won the
• 1:04:22
  world. I already know it.
• 1:04:23
  Who is the England captain that year?
• 1:04:26
  He doesn't know it. You now you know how I felt, OK?
• 1:04:30
  But I've never explained the guy that I'm thinking.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, he's big.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah, he's. Big.
• 1:04:36
  He's tall. He's Burnett.
• 1:04:38
  He's what? Burnett.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, he's tall. It wasn't Johnny Wilkinson.
• 1:04:44
  If it helps. No it wasn't.
• 1:04:46
  That doesn't help. That was a weird flex.
• 1:04:48
  Was he #8? No, no, OK.
• 1:04:52
  He was number 45. You can go through all the
• 1:04:55
  numbers if you want. Charles, do you want to give the
• 1:04:58
  answer? Martin Johnson?
• 1:04:59
  It was Martin Johnson. It's currently 21 that.
• 1:05:03
  Was big, so OK, Steven. Funeral.
• 1:05:05
  No that. Was big for the program.
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, that's kind of OK. So the Olympics hasn't always
• 1:05:11
  featured the triathlon. In fact, the first triathlon
• 1:05:15
  appeared in which Olympic Games. We get no options.
• 1:05:23
  No options. I was going to say it because
• 1:05:25
  let's it's every four years. You got to work out.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, who's going first? Does either one of you want to
• 1:05:30
  go first? I.
• 1:05:31
  Have some ideas? You technically have the
• 1:05:33
  advantage right now, so you should go first.
• 1:05:35
  I think we are go go first, but I'm just saying I think I know
• 1:05:39
  the place. I was going to say I have a
• 1:05:41
  place in mind I don't. Know yeah, that's where I'm at
• 1:05:43
  as well. I'm going to say 2000 Sydney.
• 1:05:50
  OK, what are you going? For and I don't know if Sydney
• 1:05:52
  hosted it in 2000. It was 2000 a year.
• 1:05:55
  Yeah, I was. So I'm going to go it's.
• 1:05:57
  Definitely. It was definitely a year.
• 1:05:59
  I want to go Beijing you. Want to go Beijing?
• 1:06:01
  Was that 2008? It was, yeah.
• 1:06:05
  It was 2000 Sydney. Spot on.
• 1:06:07
  It's currently 31. OK, how'd?
• 1:06:10
  You get that so spot on. OK, right.
• 1:06:14
  I'm I'm trying to play it cool. OK, so tough.
• 1:06:17
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm so child.
• 1:06:19
  I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you multiple choice on this
• 1:06:22
  one. OK, so the current full distance
• 1:06:26
  Iron Man world record for a man is one of the following.
• 1:06:33
  I'm gonna pull one back here. OK, Do you know it?
• 1:06:36
  Not that well, but I'll know it when you say.
• 1:06:38
  OK. And Messi's gone.
• 1:06:39
  Like, really? Specific is it?
• 1:06:40
  Is it 7 hours, 12 minutes and 21 seconds?
• 1:06:47
  I know the, I know the athlete as well.
• 1:06:49
  Is it 7 hours, 20 minutes and 21 seconds?
• 1:06:55
  Is it 7 hours, 28 minutes and 7 seconds?
• 1:07:00
  Or is it 7 hours, 21 minutes and 12 seconds?
• 1:07:04
  That's a curveball, because that's one minute above B.
• 1:07:11
  Charles has a rule with multiple choice.
• 1:07:12
  It's a. Problem.
• 1:07:13
  Don't tell him my rule. Don't tell him my rule.
• 1:07:15
  The problem is, I thought it was eight.
• 1:07:18
  I thought it. Was 8.
• 1:07:19
  What's the Christian Blumenfeld? Sure.
• 1:07:23
  I don't think it is because I thought he he just broke, he set
• 1:07:26
  the European. Yeah, because there.
• 1:07:28
  But there was a day where they actually set out to break the
• 1:07:30
  world record. Red Bull hosted the Oh, really?
• 1:07:33
  Well, I'm see how it would have been.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah. He's a freak, isn't?
• 1:07:36
  He is a freak, Yeah. He's just winning everything.
• 1:07:38
  It's nice now. And yeah, 20 days, yeah, I'm
• 1:07:40
  going to say. Wait, you go first.
• 1:07:43
  OK, I'll go first. I I didn't think that it was
• 1:07:46
  going to be lower than 720. So when you said 7:20 and 7:21,
• 1:07:49
  that threw me off because 712 all of.
• 1:07:55
  These times, by the way, are absurd.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah, it was just a joke. Yeah, but it's possible.
• 1:07:59
  I mean, the other day someone did a 726 so.
• 1:08:02
  Oh, that oh, maybe C isn't the option.
• 1:08:08
  I'll just go shit, OK, I'll just go.
• 1:08:13
  A 712 is possible 712. I'm going C, you're going C So
• 1:08:16
  Charles rule, by the way, if you don't know, it's just always go
• 1:08:19
  C if in that unfortunately it was D, it's 7 hours, 21 minutes
• 1:08:23
  and 12 seconds. I should have.
• 1:08:24
  Known that. OK.
• 1:08:26
  So zero point there. It's still 31.
• 1:08:28
  We've got two more questions. Oh.
• 1:08:30
  It's all to play for shit. OK, the flag known as Rainbow
• 1:08:35
  nation, well, that's what it's been referred to as well.
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  In my research for South Africa, the flag changed.
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  It used to have the Union Jack on the flag in South Africa, but
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  what year did it change? You better be following this up
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  with some British trivia. Nope, I'm going to give you a
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  number. I'm not even that.
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  Would you want? Do you want multiple choice?
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  I need multiple choice, but I've got I've got an idea in my head.
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  OK197219941983 or 2001. OK, you can go first again as as
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  the as the South African. 1994. I was also going for the 90s so
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  I had to go in 94, but that just makes it look like I'm.
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  Coming now, you're both correct. That's 41.
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  So what we're going to do is we're going to we're going to do
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  the sporting thing and we're going to say you've technically
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  won Charles, because at this point you can't pull back the.
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  4/1 he can have the point. Well, give him this is 4/2.
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  So give him credibility as a South Africa to give him some
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  priorities. Stephen.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's 32.
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  OK, we'll make this last one all to play for.
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  Right. Agreed.
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  Yeah, OK. But.
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  Everyone knows that I want. What we will do.
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  So which of the two countries, the United Kingdom and South
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  Africa, Rural South Africa has the highest bungee jump spot.
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  South Africa. That was confident.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Are you both agreeing on South Africa?
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  No. OK.
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  You're going to say say no. No, no, I'm not agreeing yet.
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  OK. I just need some more time to
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  process it because this feels was that was that all of the
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  information you were giving? Yep, That feels like a trick
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  question because in my head immediately I'll go for sure it
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  has to be South Africa. But then I feel like it's just a
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  trick question and there has to be somewhere in the UK where
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  it's like. I feel like you just have to
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  back. Your If you can, I will give you
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  a bonus point to each of you if you are right in the 1st place,
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  but if you can also name where it is or how tall it is, I doubt
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  you'll do that bit but. If you can name where it is,
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  Like are you talking country or province or place?
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  The actual place like place name.
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  You put this into maps and you'd rock up at the bungee.
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  OK, that's that's that's made me think that it's more South
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  Africa. OK.
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  But I can play it tactically now.
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  You can because if we're all both wrong, I don't, I don't
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  like to play it safely. I'll if it's it's, I reckon it's
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  I'm going with my guy. It's it's in the UK.
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  OK. Any guesses as to where?
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  No, we don't have to. Guess we don't have to try,
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  yeah? OK.
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  And you're sticking with South Africa?
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  Yeah, OK. For sure, You're right with
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  South Africa. The name is because it didn't.
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  It's just it's by Pittsburgh there.
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  Hello. Yeah, it's off a bridge.
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  The high? You're going to Google it.
• 1:11:37
  That's where it's where I it's by where I found this.
• 1:11:40
  OK, right. So it's off bridge.
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  It's I've written it down, but my writing wasn't very good.
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  It's like Blackens bridge. Blackens bridge.
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  Well, I'll show you afterwards, but 216 meters is that Bungie
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  height? The highest in the UK is at
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  Cheddar Gorge and it's 122 meters, nearly half the height
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  of the the tallest in South. Africa.
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  You wanted to say South Africa? Yeah, I did.
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  Is that 3 all? Well, technically speaking, we
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  said it was all to play for on the last question and you got it
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  right, which means that you have taken the win.
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  When it comes down to a swimming race.
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  OK, so that brings us to the end of the Rocks Game and actually
• 1:12:20
  nicely brings us towards the end of the episode.
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  It's been an absolute pleasure having you both here.
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:42
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• 1:12:46
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• 1:12:54
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• 1:13:00
  I nail that every time. And then we've got at Angus
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  We're looking forward to doing more guests episodes.
• 1:13:09
  So let us know who you want us to have on.
• 1:13:11
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• 1:13:13
  your Gears, of course, let us know and we will feel a dire
• 1:13:17
  need to bring them up so that we don't have to cancel ourselves
• 1:13:19
  every week. Yeah.
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  Anything from you, Roscoe? No.
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  Thank you for having me, that was a pleasure.
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  So much fun. Awesome.
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  Doing a good job. Anything from you, Charles?
• 1:13:28
  Amazing. In which case, I look forward to
• 1:13:29
  seeing you all in the next episode.