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Episode 39, Season 2: Holistic Healing for Menopause & Perimenopause with Dr. Nicole Rothman · The Dr. Sarah Hensley Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the lovedg podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm your co host Raina Butcher here with our host,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Sarah Hensley, the owner, founder, and CEO of the
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  Speaker 2: love Doc relationship coaching services.
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  Speaker 3: You can find her at the.
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  Speaker 2: Lovedog dot com or on any social media handle.
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  Speaker 1: At doctor Sarah Hensley. Hey friend, Hey, Hey, how's it going.
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  Speaker 4: It is going good. Just got back from Disney. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: and we rode a lot of rides. But I think
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  Speaker 4: Disney might just be like a one.
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  Speaker 3: It's a one and done. Man, that's on Vegas. Thing
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  Speaker 3: you've been once, you've been enough.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go back.
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  Speaker 4: If Gabby gets chosen to go to Cheer Nationals again,
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  Speaker 4: I'll go back, but just for the performance. We're not
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  Speaker 4: doing the whole family Disney trip ever.
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  Speaker 6: Again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was Katie. I've been speaking of Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest today is from Florida, based in Florida dot Org.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Rothman. Hey Doc, it's good to have you.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, grateful to be here today.
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  Speaker 2: We are so excited because you have so much knowledge
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  Speaker 2: in the functional medicine space and really just helping men
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  Speaker 2: and women with holistic approaches to really reach optimal health.
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  Speaker 6: Is that correct, absolutely want to make chronic disease optional.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's wonderful. That's what we want to do too.
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  Speaker 5: We do too.
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  Speaker 4: We want to help people get rid of the stress
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  Speaker 4: component of chronic illness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So tell us a little bit about yourself,
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  Speaker 2: tell us about your practice, tell us how long you've
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  Speaker 2: been practicing, how you got started, and just yeah, fill
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  Speaker 2: our listeners in.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, my journey really started. I was a
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  Speaker 6: sick kid forever, the traditional medical everything on so many
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  Speaker 6: medications growing up. I was just always that sick kid
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  Speaker 6: my poor parents had to deal with and they didn't
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  Speaker 6: really know what to do. So we just do what
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  Speaker 6: we do. We go to the doctor, we get the drugs,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we get the diagnosis. And by the time
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  Speaker 6: I was in college, I was pre med. And while
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  Speaker 6: I was pre med, I was volunteering in the hospital.
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  Speaker 6: I was in EMT and my aunt died suddenly at
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  Speaker 6: forty seven, and she had been on different medications, always dieting,
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  Speaker 6: and she was that you know, perimenopausal age, and it
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  Speaker 6: just wasn't registering right. She had an aneurysm, and it
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  Speaker 6: just started this little wake up journey for me. Then,
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  Speaker 6: when I was in the hospital. Why are all these
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  Speaker 6: doctors and nurses stressed out? Everybody's unhappy. It didn't feel
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  Speaker 6: like a happy, good environment, and they didn't look healthy
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  Speaker 6: or seem healthy. So it wasn't connecting. So I kind
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  Speaker 6: of said, I'm not going that path. And a friend
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  Speaker 6: of mine said, look at this chiropractic school and next
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  Speaker 6: thing you know, my, Oh, I don't even have to
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  Speaker 6: take the MCATs. Let's do it. I already had the classes.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't have to take a test, and I really
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  Speaker 6: didn't even know chiropractic was. I just thowt it was
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  Speaker 6: for back pain, and like, this sounds great though nutrition.
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  Speaker 6: It was all about natural health and things that were
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  Speaker 6: really making sense to me because I always was in
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  Speaker 6: the gym. I was one of those people back in
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  Speaker 6: the I hate to say it, but early nineties when
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  Speaker 6: I was in college and I was in the gym,
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  Speaker 6: and it just was unusual for a woman to be
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  Speaker 6: in the gym back then. But I always loved fitness,
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  Speaker 6: and so it really spoke to me when I read
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  Speaker 6: what it was about. And so while I was in school,
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  Speaker 6: I was in a car accident and I started having
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  Speaker 6: chiropractic care and all of my health issues started healing,
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  Speaker 6: and chiropractic was wonderful and it helped with some things.
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  Speaker 6: And then I started actually seeing someone that we would
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  Speaker 6: now call functional medicine doctor that was just a holistic
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  Speaker 6: you know, the crazy doctor that did all these weird
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  Speaker 6: tests and made you fast and do all these other things.
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  Speaker 6: And my body just started to heal and change. And
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  Speaker 6: I went on this five year kind of trial and
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  Speaker 6: error journey on my own of trying to figure out
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  Speaker 6: how to heal everything from asthma to miserable period cramps
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  Speaker 6: to constipation and headaches and weight that would never go
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  Speaker 6: away no matter what I did, and it just led
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  Speaker 6: me here. And so through all of that, I became
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  Speaker 6: so passionate about teaching people about how to live a
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  Speaker 6: healthy life, how to have the right mindset, how to
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  Speaker 6: work out, how to be positive, eat a certain way.
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  Speaker 6: And then eventually, and I was mostly in a chiropractic practice,
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  Speaker 6: and it was a little frustrating because people just want
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  Speaker 6: me to fix their spine, fix their neck. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they can go live a crappy lifestyle and then I
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  Speaker 6: would fix them. And this was super unsatisfying for me.
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't fulfilled, and I wanted to quit. Every year
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to quit, even though I got. I had
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  Speaker 6: a wonderful little family practice. I adjusted pregnant women and
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  Speaker 6: babies and families. It was lovely, but I just wasn't fulfilled.
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  Speaker 6: And in twenty seventeen, I actually broke my shoulder and decided,
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  Speaker 6: this is it. I'm reverse engineering my whole entire practice.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I did. And so for almost ten years,
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  Speaker 6: a little over nine years now, I've been practicing what
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  Speaker 6: we now call functional medicine, and so really a lot
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  Speaker 6: of this came from my own healing that I realized
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  Speaker 6: it's not just one thing people need to be healthy.
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  Speaker 6: It's really this combination of the right things. And now
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  Speaker 6: I'm discovering you and all that you do and how
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  Speaker 6: all that plays into which has been you know, holy
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  Speaker 6: crap moments for me personally, which I love, and I'm
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  Speaker 6: starting to really learn more and bring that in to
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  Speaker 6: things for the people I work with. So it's been
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  Speaker 6: an awesome journey.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love that because obviously doctor Hensley's whole premise is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how do you heal trauma holistically? And so
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  Speaker 2: this is a very good partnership. I think there's so
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  Speaker 2: many things that I want to talk about. Obviously, you
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  Speaker 2: got in at a really great time because I think
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  Speaker 2: I've said this before in the podcast. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: think human beings are becoming more conscious of the ways
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  Speaker 2: that we can heal ourselves. I actually watched something last
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  Speaker 2: night that I thought was really profound, and it was
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  Speaker 2: just this guy on Instagram and he said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Western medicine is really great for something, and that's emergencies,
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  Speaker 2: but beyond that, it's really not. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: that when it comes to functional medicine and holistic approaches
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  Speaker 2: in ways that we can heal our bodies, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: create this loop right where we band aid one thing
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  Speaker 2: in order to fix another, and then when we fix
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  Speaker 2: that thing, we just have another issue. And so I
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  Speaker 2: kind of want you to start at the beginning, like
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  Speaker 2: when you see one of your typical clients that come in,
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  Speaker 2: and then how you guide them through your practice.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the first thing, you know, not everybody's ready to
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  Speaker 6: do what I do. I think you probably can relate
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  Speaker 6: to this. Yes, you know, you got to be willing
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  Speaker 6: to do the work. No one can do it for you.
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  Speaker 6: There's no amount of money that you can pay someone
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  Speaker 6: to make this happen. You have to actually be willing
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  Speaker 6: to put in the energy, put in the time, make
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  Speaker 6: the changes, you know, overcome the challenges, become a person
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  Speaker 6: that actually lives a healthy lifestyle. And so people most
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  Speaker 6: people find me by I do webinars, I have a book,
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  Speaker 6: or they get referred or just different ways, and then
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  Speaker 6: I literally interview them, so I sit down, they have
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  Speaker 6: a consultation, I interview them. The interesting thing is there's
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  Speaker 6: been like you were saying, this is such a great
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  Speaker 6: time to get in, and I've seen this paradigm shift.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, of course in the last five six years,
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  Speaker 6: it's been drastic as people are like, wait a second,
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  Speaker 6: this doesn't really make sense anymore. I don't really think
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  Speaker 6: that's maybe what's happening. And people are lying to they're
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  Speaker 6: questioning more than ever, but they at the same time,
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  Speaker 6: what's emerged is a lot of shiny objects that are
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  Speaker 6: out there. And so people are also frustrated because they
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  Speaker 6: do want to try, and they are watching thirty second
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  Speaker 6: TikTok videos and buying a supplement or you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: very hard to learn what to do for a person's
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  Speaker 6: individual health. It's complex. From little short clips it's very difficult.
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  Speaker 6: You probably can relate, like I said, to this, yes,
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  Speaker 6: and so for and the whole perimenopause menopause thing, it
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  Speaker 6: wasn't like a choice. It wasn't something I thought I
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  Speaker 6: would ever be into to help people with. And like
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  Speaker 6: you said, I do help men too, But I just
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  Speaker 6: have a bleeding heart for women going through these changes
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  Speaker 6: because nobody knows what's happening. No one in their life
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  Speaker 6: understands them. They don't understand themselves. It's frustrating. They don't
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  Speaker 6: feel well and they could be living a healthy lifestyle
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  Speaker 6: and it still can be not so good. And it
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  Speaker 6: impacts everything from their relationship to their work, their hobbies,
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  Speaker 6: just the ability to be who they know they are
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  Speaker 6: inside is becomes impossible. Yeah. And so when I started
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  Speaker 6: being able to help these women and I realize how
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  Speaker 6: ignored and dismissed they felt by conventional medicine, I just said,
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  Speaker 6: I just have to dig in my heels in this
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  Speaker 6: and really figure out how to truly help. And then,
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  Speaker 6: of course, one day I went into metopause and it
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  Speaker 6: was like, oh, I get it now, Okay, how can
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  Speaker 6: I quickly? You know? So it just it kind of
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  Speaker 6: evolves into this, which I'm so grateful that it did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so are the majority of the clients that you
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  Speaker 2: see women coming to you in perimenopause or in the
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  Speaker 2: throws of menopause. And I want to shine light on
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  Speaker 2: this because obviously we're both experiencing this.
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  Speaker 3: In our own lives.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then I know, based on the statistics of this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of our listeners and the age group that
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  Speaker 2: listen to this podcast are probably in the same position.
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  Speaker 4: It's our key demographic, Yes, are like people approaching perimenopause
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  Speaker 4: are in perimenopause and menopause, Yes, and menopause. And I
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  Speaker 4: think I don't want to isolate our male listeners because
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  Speaker 4: this is relevant if you have a female partner, absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: you know to understand some of these things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that you know, growing up, I remember,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe my mom and her friends talking about the change, right,
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  Speaker 2: like it was just called the change, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you thought it was hot flashes, Yes, and that was it,
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  Speaker 2: Like it was hot flashes and night sweats and that
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  Speaker 2: was the gist of it. But I think what's emerging
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  Speaker 2: and what's so interesting and so beautiful too, because you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, it's been ignored for too long. Women's
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  Speaker 2: health has been ignored for too long in the sense
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  Speaker 2: of it's so much more than that, it's so much
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  Speaker 2: deeper than that, and what's happening to women both physically
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  Speaker 2: but more importantly mentally when they approach this stage of life.
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  Speaker 3: It's very foreign.
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  Speaker 2: Like I just had an emotional breakdown just like a
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  Speaker 2: week and a half ago to my husband where I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, I've lived in this body for almost
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  Speaker 2: forty three years, and all of a sudden, it's feeling
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  Speaker 2: very foreign to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and I I don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 4: I watched an expert say that there's an actual symptom
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  Speaker 4: of perimenopause that they have named called I don't feel
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  Speaker 4: like myself. That that is one of the most common
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  Speaker 4: phrases people use when in perimenopause. So just talk to
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  Speaker 4: us about perimenopause, what it is, what can happen, and
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  Speaker 4: more importantly, how do you go about treating it.
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  Speaker 6: So, first of all, I don't use the word treat
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  Speaker 6: in my life. Okay, that connects stays with the medical doctors.
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  Speaker 6: So it's all about the root cause, lifestyle way that
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  Speaker 6: we teach people how to do this. For themselves. So
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  Speaker 6: I wanted to just be a little bit clear on
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  Speaker 6: that and let me help you with the stages. So,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we all know puberty, right, the brain connects
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  Speaker 6: with your sex glands where women ovaries and the men testes,
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  Speaker 6: and now we got hormones, and it takes years. Remember
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  Speaker 6: and if you have kids, you know you've been through
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  Speaker 6: it more than once. It takes years to be getting
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  Speaker 6: all those hormones in place. And when we go through perimenopause,
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  Speaker 6: which can start as early as thirty five for some
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  Speaker 6: women and typically more it's going to be forty and
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  Speaker 6: not but some are younger, and it can take ten
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  Speaker 6: to fifteen years to get into menopause from peri menopause.
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  Speaker 6: It can take a really long time. And what's happening
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  Speaker 6: in that time is the brain is disconnecting from the ovaries,
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  Speaker 6: and now the job of making your sex hormones, your
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  Speaker 6: estrogen progesterone, testosterone is getting handed to your adrenal glands.
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  Speaker 6: And I know you know what those are responsible for
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  Speaker 6: our stress response. Okay, So here we have these little
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  Speaker 6: teeny glands that have all this work that they have
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  Speaker 6: to do, and now they're getting three heavy duty new
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  Speaker 6: jobs so if we are stressed to the max, running
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  Speaker 6: all over the place, working our butts off, taking care
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  Speaker 6: of the house, taking care of ourselves, going to the gym,
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  Speaker 6: all the things, then we're not maybe getting enough sleep
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  Speaker 6: or prioritizing how we eat, or the life stresses all
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  Speaker 6: the physical chemical is a big one, and emotional. The
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  Speaker 6: adrenals are like, screw this, I'm not doing that. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not doing those new jobs. And if they are, it's
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  Speaker 6: not going to be very well. So that makes that
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  Speaker 6: transition much harder. And some months it's neu ovaries are there,
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  Speaker 6: some months they're not. Some month, right, so we start
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  Speaker 6: having erratic periods like there are signs of things. But
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  Speaker 6: what happens very often is progesterone tanks a lot quicker
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  Speaker 6: than estrogen. And this is because progesterone is a building
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  Speaker 6: block for your cortisol anti stress formal. So now we're
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  Speaker 6: out of balance progesterone with estrogen, and now we see
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  Speaker 6: a lot of symptoms. So a lot of women get fibroids,
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  Speaker 6: heavy bleeding sis, so they start seeing worse symptoms a
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  Speaker 6: side things. So next thing you know, the hysterectomine is recommended.
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  Speaker 6: All of us it's just like an ongoing saga. So
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  Speaker 6: just to give you that idea, menopause is one year
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  Speaker 6: after no periods and then it's considered postmenopause, which is
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  Speaker 6: I just call it menopause forever. Like we're in that stage.
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  Speaker 6: We're not going back. And in the past your brain
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  Speaker 6: used to just say, hey, Ovary, just make more of
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  Speaker 6: this stuff. But then that's not there, so it's going
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  Speaker 6: to only be the adrenals are really running that show.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's why we start seeing more symptoms. Plus
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  Speaker 6: we have a lot less of the hormones. And there's
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  Speaker 6: something really interesting. Well, one of you were saying something before,
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  Speaker 6: and it made me think because you how I know
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  Speaker 6: you were saying your listeners of this age range. And
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  Speaker 6: the reason I believe that is, and I'll give you
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  Speaker 6: an example of where I got this from, is because
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  Speaker 6: when we go through menopause that I don't care anymore
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  Speaker 6: kind of a thing. What really is happening is those
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  Speaker 6: nurturing hormones that have been driving us since we're twelve
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  Speaker 6: years old, of the putting everyone first, taking care of
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  Speaker 6: everything and everyone, it's all gone and now we have
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  Speaker 6: to deal with our life that we just created. Around
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  Speaker 6: living that way, and more women get divorced after forty
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  Speaker 6: and I think it's like seven twenty percent of the
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  Speaker 6: divorces are initiated by women after forty more suicides after
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  Speaker 6: forty five. Between forty five and fifty five is like
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  Speaker 6: the number one decade for women to commit suicide. So
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  Speaker 6: there is a lot of psychological connection and emotional connection
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  Speaker 6: to going through all of this, And I would like
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  Speaker 6: to share what I went through that really had me
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  Speaker 6: understanding this. As I've been listening and learning from you,
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  Speaker 6: doctor Hensley, It's been like the giant, most biggest light
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  Speaker 6: bulb I've ever had in Oh wow, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: since probably I went to chiropractic school in Epple and
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  Speaker 6: when I just had my second divorce. This thus the
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  Speaker 6: what is happening here? I need to fix this problem?
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  Speaker 6: Searching for things right. My first marriage was narcissist, alcoholic, abusive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and I got pregnant. We got married, I was basically
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  Speaker 6: pregnant for a year, nursed for two years, pregnant again
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  Speaker 6: for a year, nurse for two and a half years.
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  Speaker 6: Then all those hormones went away because I stopped nursing.
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  Speaker 6: Guess what happened. What am I doing here?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Wake up? No more of this nurturing excess estrogen and
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  Speaker 6: progested right excess hormones while you're going to be doing
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  Speaker 6: all those things pregnant or nursing. So that was the
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  Speaker 6: first wake up. Now I'm in the second marriage whatever
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I consider myself an FA and healing he
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  Speaker 6: definitely DA didn't know any of this until, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sure less than a year ago. And as I started
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  Speaker 6: going through menopause myself, that's when we started having problems. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's when we started having problems. Now, in retrospect, I
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  Speaker 6: understand everything. I see it so clear, and I believe
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  Speaker 6: that that those rest of those hormones, they're just you know,
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  Speaker 6: they took a hike, and then it was problems started
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  Speaker 6: happening again, Like, wow, I've been abandoning myself again. Wow,
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  Speaker 6: this isn't acceptable and I wasn't happy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally understandable.
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  Speaker 4: And it's actually very very common for people to go
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  Speaker 4: from narcissistic partners to dismissive avoidant partners. That is actually
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  Speaker 4: a very common thing that I see, and I can
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  Speaker 4: see where you're coming from. If your hormones are saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm not willing to be the nurturer, I'm not willing
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  Speaker 4: to be the driver of the connection. Then these behaviors
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  Speaker 4: would feel even more terrible than they do when you
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  Speaker 4: have those hormones in your favor. It would be like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just not going to do this anymore. I can't
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  Speaker 4: imagine that's how it would feel.
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  Speaker 1: Because then at what point, at what point who's making
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  Speaker 1: the initiation?
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  Speaker 6: Then?
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if they're gone and you're married to a
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: dismissive avoidant who probably has never been very intentional in
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: taking initiative, then what do you do? You're just kind
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: of stuck on these two separate islands, which I know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I know you see so often in your practice and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: even the people that I talk to, you know about
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: doctor Hensley services, so many men, there's been a pattern,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: so many men are coming in and being like, my
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: wife wants nothing to do with me, and they're always
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: in this age range.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Yes, they're always, and they will say it feels like
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a switch just flipped and now she's just intolerant of me.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Yes, that hear that so often, and it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's important that that's why this conversation is
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: so important because I know that a lot of men
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: feel lost when that happens, and they're not totally understanding
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: that it's past emotional, it's physiological, and they're not really
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: considering that, and so they just feel like fail. Right,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: But when they can get this whole picture of that
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it's more than that, then we can normalize it and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: understand it. And then you just kind of got to
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: hunker down and wait about ten to fifteen years to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: get through it hopefully, you know. I mean I actually
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: looked at my husband one day and I said, just
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: give me ten to fifteen years and we'll get through this.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Hopefully.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: We would love to hear no, we would love to
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: hear the way so, which you support with me.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I think that having this first and foremost the knowledge
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: and for the you know, male partner that doesn't really
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: get it to be willing to have different types of
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: conversations and really understanding because imagine, she doesn't even know
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: who she is anymore, so how is he going to
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: know who she is? And you're not the same. And
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: we were talking about brain fog before, and literally there's
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: research doctor Muscone, Lisa Musconi. She does the Menopause Brain
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: her book, and she does all this brain research on
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: women's brains during menopause, and she talks about how literally
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: the lack of those hormones starts changing our nerve endings
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: and like almost like cleaning them away so that we
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: can step into a different role now, like we're the
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: only America is really one of the few places where
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: older women are shamed and looked at negatively for aging.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: That was one of the reasons I grew my gray
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: in by the way, I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Beautiful, It's beautiful.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: It is beautiful, beautiful, And because I wanted to kind
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: of take a stand because in other societies around the
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: world women are revered for their wisdom and knowledge. It's
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: looked at so differently here. Yes, So it's very interesting
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: on how the brain actually changes through this, and that
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: we do get more, it does come back, and there
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: are things, of course, yes, that I can share that
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: we do to help that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, please do please talk about please talk about brain fog.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Please talk about brain fog. One of my superpowers has
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: always been being able to be very smart and articulate
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and a great orator and It really helped me in
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: academia when I had to give lots of job talks
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: or professional presentations at conferences, and I wouldn't even have
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: to barely prep right that it was just it flowed
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: out of me. And now I find that I trip
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: over my words more. I can't think of the name
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: of something I forget, I forget words for and I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: just like.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Who is this person?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so bizarre to me because it is
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: so foreign to who I have always been.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: So please talk about brain fog.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: So I would say, there's soveral things that are really important.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: And remember I was talking about that perimenopause. How brain
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: is online, brain is offline. Hormones are strong, they're weak,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: They're like we go through all these erratic changes, and
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: in that time, some interesting things also happen. Our body
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: tends to dump whatever toxins have been stored into our system.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: So that is one of the issues that we start
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: having more or less resilience, I should say, to our
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: body and our ability to detox. So one of the
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: things that actually can happen is our brain is not
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: properly detoxing, and so we always want to work on
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: making sure we're getting stuff moving in our bodies and detoxing,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: and how can we start taking a look at our
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: everyday life and lower our toxic exposures. Okay, and so
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: that's going to be really important. Getting proper sleep, things
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: like paying attention to your circadian rhythm, like get outside
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: in the morning when the sun comes up. We don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: realize how much our brains need this to be working
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: the best and most efficiently. Working on the stress is
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: a big deal. And I don't just mean like, oh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: we meditate away everything, but regulating our nervous system, processing
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: our old stuff. A lot of times it's old stuff
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: that we don't even realize is coming out. Yes, oh yes,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: so and making sure we are getting exercise. I know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: like not everyone does that, but it does. It does
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: help a lot. And so it's just the combination of things.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: How can we support our body nutritionally, get the right exercise,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: work on our stress management, and make sure our cortisol
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: is an overriding And also gut health can play big
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: role in this too, because your gut is your brain's brains.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: So if we're leaky or you have an inflamed gut,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: you're going to have an inflamed brain. Yes, and so
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: really taking a look at all those elements and reducing
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: our toxic exposures, working on our thought processes, and really
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: you know working. It's really of this like multi faceted
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: approach to how we do things. But I think it
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: all starts with how do you put yourself first? How
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: do you invest in yourself like every day?
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, And I think that maybe what has contributed to
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: it was just the year ending burnout that I think
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: both of us felt, and we talked about that in
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: previous episodes of just trying to build this business that
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: scaled so quickly, quicker than we were equipped to handle
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and have real systems in place to handle, and so
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: we were juggling so many things trying to suppor the
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: weight of our growth, and that left us just kind
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: of stricted and depleted. And that's when I really started
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: noticing that my brain was kind of going offline a
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: little bit more than it had usually been.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: And you know, I just said, oh, I'm getting very
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: turned forty four.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: But what you're saying makes so much sense that, you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: if our adrenals are so involved in this, and I
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: have a lot of knowledge about the adrenals because when
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I was in my first marriage, you know, when there
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: was abuse, my cortosol levels were so high they thought
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I had a brain tumor, so they tested me for that,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: but no, just stress, just relational stress. And you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I've experienced adrenal fatigue, and I did not know that
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the adrenals took over our sex hormones instead of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: pituitary And that makes so much sense of why now
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: burnout just feels harder. It feels harder to do all
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: of the things than it did before.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: One symptom that I've noticed lately, I'm not sweating like
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I used to, so you know, I used. I've been
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a jazzer sized instructor for fifteen years, which I've thought
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: recently about taking a step back because it is an adrenaline,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: very ego driven workout because not only is it hi
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: aerobic exercise, I'm on right so I have to go.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: There's a big adrenaline dump when you get on stage
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you're performing, and then afterwards. Some symptoms I've been having
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: are clogged ears, ringing in the ears, and just really
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: not emitting so much as much sweat as I used to,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: so my thoughts behind that have been Wait, my adrenals
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: are completely fatigued, and I'm not eliminating toxins as well
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: as I once did. So I mean when you said that,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: it just really hit home, Like everything that I'm thinking
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and everything that I'm feeling, you have to trust those things.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: And I think that it's really important to say this.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I think as women, when ailments start to show up
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: and we don't know what they mean, one big mistake
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that we tend to make is we reach for anything
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that we think might work. And then I'm guilty of
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: this and then it ends up doing more damage. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I say that to ask you this, what is the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: most simple approach to start? Is it elimination? Like do
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you just eliminate everything and then kind of start from
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: this like brand new clean canvas of Okay, well, let
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: me introduce this very clean makeup product or skin product
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: or you know, cause when you think about everything that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: women put on their skin, their hair, I mean, it's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: a toxic oad.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm super guilty. I used to be in
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the sort of crunchy mom like I used to be
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: very very holistic and natural and like my kids weren't
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: allowed to eat food dyes and and I kind of
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: got exhausted by it because it was really hard to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: keep up with, especially with kids and just wanting them
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: to be part of sort of normal society where you
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: can go to a birthday and need a cupcake with
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: red dye in it. And I got exhausted, and then
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the pendulum swung so far the other way where I
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: just stopped caring at all, and now I'm back to
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I need to start caring again. So I'm going to
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: just emphasize what Raina said and tell us where we start.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Finding some balance because it's hard.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I want to just give you a little bit of
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: a thing that you said first, because adrenals are one thing,
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: but not sweating is different, and that's a plumbing issue.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: So like there's something not when we think of lymphatic system,
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: that's what I kind of think of as your plumbing,
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: So not sweating as a sign there's some clogging going
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: on in the pipes, So why is that happening? That's
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: that becomes the question. That's that's an that's why it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: so individualized that takes an hour to talk to you about.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: We can't do that here right. Ninety questions run through
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: my head when I know it's very specific to all
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: of your toxic exposures and your whole entire life. Even
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: what your mom had, you know, when you were in
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: her body.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, my mom drank tab and smoked cigars
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: and she was pregnant with me.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: But I'm in trouble that way, right, And then we
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: talked about women are way more heavily exposed to toxins than men,
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: and one of the problems is a lot of times
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: we're comparing ourselves. Well, he can lose ten pounds if
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: he just like blinks an eye, you can't look at it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: It's we of our hormones are more in charge, and
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: it's just different, and we have so many more toxins.
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: We just, like you said, everything our hair are make
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: up everything. So when I hear like, do I just
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: start from scratch, it's so overwhelming to just say I'm
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: going to just make everything clean today, and it's almost
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: impossible to do that that quickly. I would say start
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: with more simple, right, like the food you're eating, that's
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: an easy one. How can I first work on you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: because that's going in the gut directly, So how can
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: I clean up the foods that I'm eating and start
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: working on those things. I'm always more focused on inflammation.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: So what's one of the most inflammatory foods that we have? Sugar? Sugar?
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Dang it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I just had crumble cookie last night because it a
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Dubaye chocolate one.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: When that came out, there.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: Was like ten things in those that I could.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Say, Okay, I know, turn it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: But what I've always tried to focus on inflammation first
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: and foremost. So like sugar and artificial sweeteners we can
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: lump together because the artificial sweeteners terrible for our brain.
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Terrible for our brain. I know you love your diet coke.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I built my business on god grit and diet coke.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: So that is but that's a massive, like formaldehyde like problem.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: And soda is also carbonated and that's not good for
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: our bones. And so this is really important now, especially
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: in perimenopause, because what happens when we lose some of
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: our hormones we get bone loss. So it's it's let's
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: pick the worst evil and start working there, right, So sugar,
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: artificial sweeteners, there are other natural things out there if
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: you need your like bubbly thing, Okay, there are that
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: have stevia and Okay, I was going to ask, they're
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: not going to taste as good, but I was going.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: To ask if stevia was okay because I used to
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: drink zeba.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fine.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, all right, I can make this. I can.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: We're gonna We're gonna commit no more.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: We are seriously addicted.
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: As orbinated though it's still orbinated, but at least you're
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: getting the chemicals out, like the nutrisuite, you know, the
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: equal nutrius suite aspectame. Yeah. Then also another easy thing
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: to bring inflammation down is seed oils. There's everything. It's
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: so hard to get around, but it's a big one.
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: And so we can start looking at those things that
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: can make a drastic change. And also not eating constantly
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: like everybody's grazing little meals all day long, and picking
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: food like pick three meals, get them dense, nutrient dense.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: Stop all the snacking. Because the insulin problem is adding.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: Cortisol is one issue, but insulin is like eighty something
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: percent of Americans that are adults, which means eighteen and up,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: have some level of insulin resistance. And this is a
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: huge problem in menopause, huge im perimenopause. It is a
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: driving factor in the weight. It is an inflammation in cholesterol,
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: blood pressure, all of those things. So if we can
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: make it as simple as possible, right, then then those
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: are some easy things. So that's why some people do
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: really well with intermittent fasting because they're eating less times
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: a day and so just not eating so much because
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: every not quantity. I'm not talking about quantity, I mean
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: so often, like less often is better, okay, but we
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: can eat, don't. I don't worry. We don't worry about
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: counting calories. In my practice, we don't do that. That
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: is frustrating, annoying. Everybody hates it anyway.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Right, it doesn't last. Nobody does it accurately.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's not sustainable, but you're not sustainable.
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: It's not so like if we can just learn, well,
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: what are the things I can do and how do
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I just make a simple kind of formula on the food,
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: that's going to be a great first start to get
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: some of that inflammation down.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to shift gears a little bit to
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: the emotional side and ask you, doctor Hensley, you know
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: is there and you may or may not know the
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: answer to this without maybe diving into some research, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: back to you know, women who are going through this
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden like want nothing to
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: do with their husbands. You know, the emotional component there
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is there. Do you have any advice for those women
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to sort of get through that ways that they can
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: sort of train the brain or teach the brain. And
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I know this is a big piece of your practice
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: with metacognition and challenging thoughts. But you know, because a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: lot of the stories I hear from these men are
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: my wife is icked out by me.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I think first and foremost, emotional safety has to
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: be present for a woman to be physically turned on
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: by a man after a certain period in the relationship,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: because from an evolutionary standpoint in our mating strategy, it
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: wouldn't make sense to mate with people who inherently are unsafe, right,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: And so a lot of drop off in physical attraction
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: can be from not just this period of aging, but
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: from the lack of emotional safety in the relationship and
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: women not feeling like they can be physically vulnerable if
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: they're not emotionally safe. Then if we add the hormonal
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: shifts that doctor Rothman's been talking about around our desire
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: to nurture and to pursue and sort of coddle men
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: into good habits, right into getting our relational needs met.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: If that starts to drop off, like we truly are
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: like I don't give a flying flip, Like I'm just
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: not going to be the pursuer anymore, then we definitely do.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Have two very isolated people.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: But I think both things have to be addressed simultaneously.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: And I think that this is the whole sort of
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: backbone of holistic medicine and this biopsychosocial approach to healing
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: is that our biology and our psychology and our social
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: relationships are all intertwined, and so when we want to
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: actually fix the problem, we do need to look at
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: our biology. We need to look at our mental and
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: emotional health, and then our relational health as well, And
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: so we address those three pieces simultaneously instead of just saying, well,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: this is an intimacy issue, or a lot of men
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: come in and man, I see this all the time,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: and it's well, my wife's in menopause now and she
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: just hates me, and it's because of menopause. And then
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: I also do an assessment with them and find out
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: that there's been attachment issues going on for years, and
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: maybe now is just when she feels safe enough or
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: there's not that hormonal buffer there for her to just
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: say I don't care.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: I don't care about you anymore.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we are either going to coexist or we're
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: going to get a divorce because me trying to make
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: this work and being the driver of fixing it isn't
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: what I'm willing to do anymore.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So it's multi fast, it's definitely multi faceted.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: And I literally what happened in my marriage, and yeah, yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: I mean it sad that I didn't have this knowledge
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: of attachment theory back. It wasn't that long ago, but
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: by the time I knew it, it was already going
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: to happen. And I'll tell you, I've thought about that
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: a lot, because my body didn't feel safe the whole
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: time I was with this person, actually, and I didn't
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: even recognize it until he moved out. When he moved out,
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: I shed thirteen thirteen pounds just fell off, like over
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: the past over months. I had I was having trouble breathing,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: which is one of the things I healed back when
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: I first was on my healing journey. And I remember
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: we had we had actually broken up early in our dating,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: and I remember we got back together, and I remember
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: sitting on his sofa and feeling tight in my chest. Yes,
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: And I thought to myself, Oh, his dog had passed.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: But I'm like, maybe there's still dand er in the house,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: or I'm allergic to the dog or something. And over
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: the years it just got kept happening. Yes, And I
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: would go away by myself for a conference or something
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, I feel better, And then I'd
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: come home and it would be back. So I'm like, oh,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: maybe there's mold, maybe there's this this environment. Maybe it's
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: my dog. Maybe two weeks after he moved out, it
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: was gone.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: But I hear that kind of that kind of stuff
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: all the time, and I think just safety, Yeah, that
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: lack of safety. And when we don't truly know how
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: to process our emotions again, we don't take the correct
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: signals from the emotion and inter them psychologically. Your brain
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: was trying to tell you, be afraid. These signals from
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: this person aren't right. They're not safe. But when we
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: grow up with the lack of safety, especially for fearful avoidance,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: They confuse fear or excitement, and their body is not
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: a reliable predictor or signal for them that something is
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: not right. And when you heal and you start integrating
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: emotions very well, which you know, I'm a big fan
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: of proper somatic processing with conditioned safety, as you learned
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: going through my program, then you can really start to
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: rely on your body and its responses as a reliable
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: indicator of what is safe and what is not safe,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: especially relationally.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well it was so such an eye opener for
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: me because I had I learned this a few months
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: after all that and really to understand how I had
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: that as a child and how it's all actually really
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: go away and maybe it wasn't all the things I
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: was doing that I thought, Well, it was really my
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: emotional processing. It was just it's been amazing. I've been
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: so grateful to learn all of this, and it really
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: is like you said, it does. All it all is
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: integrative really together in healing and being the best version
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: of ourselves.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think too often people miss
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: one of those pieces, right, Like, just like you described,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: you were trying to think of any other variable that
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: it possibly could have been versus what it really was,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: which was your relationship. And so too often I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: people are like, well, it's this, or maybe it's this,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: or maybe it's this, and that's when they're grabbing for
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: all the wrong things. And I think that again, that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: makes it more simple in my mind, even though not
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: everyone knows how to properly emotionally and sematically processed to completion.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: To completion, that's a whole of safety. That's a whole other.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Commercy, Yeah, that's a whole nother. That's like a whole episode.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: We did one, Yeah we did.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But it's so important for people to start acknowledging those things.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: But again, normalizing it right, normalizing it that it's it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it's okay, it's not. It doesn't make you broken, it
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't make you you know, it's just the knowledge to
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: have and then the capacity to actually execute change around it,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: which of course is well.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: I think this applies to a lot of what doctor
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Rothman is talking about, tell us about, you know, capacity
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: to execute these changes of eating better and trying to
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: live a less stressful life and removing toxins, because it
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: is overwhelming when I think about starting it's like Okay, well,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I gotta get rid of all the plastic. I have
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of kids, right, we have four kids, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: it's like everywhere you go they get a plastic cup
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: and you're just like, I have microplastics in my brain.
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that's good. And you know, I just.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: Bought a whole new set of you know, pots and
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: pans to be toxic free and if that's even possible,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: And so where what are some big places that we
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: can start when it comes to removing those toxins? Because
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: if I'm going to address the brain fog, I'm going
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: to start this.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: So what do we look at? First?
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: We look at body products, we look at cleaning products,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: We where do we go?
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Just take your pick? I mean, And really that's why
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: when we work with people, and I talk about it
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: in my book too, about like detox and what that
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: even means. But that's why when when we do work
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: with people, it's literally step by step, week by week,
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: building on as we're going because it is overwhelming and
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: we don't want it to be. But if we can
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: just say, Okay, this week, we're going to just get
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: this taken care of. This week, we're going to do
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: this and guess what. One of the first things we
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: do is breathing exercises and learning how and now we're
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: talking more now than I understand, different, like.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: To completion to completion.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: It's a totally different thing than I can now give
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: to my practice members in addition to what they're already getting,
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: like the breathing and the journalings. Not enough, right, it
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: doesn't process it fully to completion necessarily, But how can
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: we take this little walk right? I'm not going to
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: put someone in the gym. That is, I met with
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: someone earlier today. She has such inflammation she could barely
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: hold her mouse on her computer, you know, and she's
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: not picking up weights. We're not going to do those things, right,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: How do we start with her? Okay, step by step?
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Week one, let's get the foods you know, less inflammatory,
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: just just you know, get the sugar out, get the
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: fruit juice out, get the heavy sugar things out. Then
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: the next week, what can we look at next? You
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: know a lot of people are sensitive to gluten. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: know no one wants to admit, but a lot of
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: people feel better when they don't eat it. So these
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: are just some easy changes, right, So week by week? Okay,
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: Let's learn about what it means to have high lesterol.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: Let's teach you how to do a little more stress management.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: Let's start getting we do detox with supplements. I mean,
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: you can't get stuff out of your brain and heal
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: the cell at the cellular level with just food. I
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: wish I could say it was.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: That was going to be my next question, like past
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: not past elimination, you know, because again you're infiltrated with
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: do this detox, do this detalks, You're like.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: This magic supplement.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like, you know what, past the elimination of things.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: The next step and really detoxing your body. And so
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: you said you do that through supplements, right, high quality can't.
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: You can't like detox like you're not sweating, So I
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: already know you're going to have trouble detoxing. You're not
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: gonna love it. We have to prepare your body to
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: detox first, so there's a preparation phase. Then we can
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: start going in. Like the cells. The best way I
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: can kind of describe it to you, you think about
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: every cell of your body has a cell membrane and
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: for most of us, if we have toxins, if we
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: have heavy metals, so we can have you know, environmental BPA, pesticides,
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: whatever it is. Too much cortisol can cause this, too
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: much insulin. It creates a lot of inflammation at the
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: cellular level. So until that cell is happier, a little
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: less inflamed, and we actually have healthy detox pathways, Again,
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: you can't really do that. So we want to heal
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: the mitochondria. We want to have cellular energy. We need
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: energy to heal, so we focus a lot at the
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: cellular level to begin with, and just unfortunately food alone
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: is just not enough to do it. We have we'd
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: use targeted supplements to do that for us, and then
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: we can start going in and I call it like
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: shaking the tree. But we don't want to shake the
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: tree and just use a leaf flower and blow the
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: leaves although that's going to only make you feel worse
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: and lead to other symptoms. We want to actually like
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: vacuum them up and take them out right the box. Yes,
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: whether it's you know, in the toilet, sweating it out, breathing,
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: we actually breathe toxins out. A lot of our toxins
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: come out through breath, and so just making sure that
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: we're hand we're doing this with those strong enough magnets.
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: A lot of people think cilantro is going to detox you,
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: you know, juice cilantro pflarella, and like, I know that's
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: what it says on the internet a lot, but it's
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: they're just very weak magnets. So they can shake the tree,
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: but they don't get it all the way out necessarily.
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: So that's the leaf flower thing. So we really just
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: want to have you know, I don't like to see it.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: It's not always one size fits all. We the toxins
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: were exposed to, but we start with what's most common
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: for most people is all that environmental stuff, but truly
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: getting to the cell so that we can start using
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: our hormones and getting rid of some of these hormone
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: resistance issues that people have and just have more energy.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And you know, a couple of years ago,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: more than a couple of years ago, I should say,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: I really got interested in methylation science and how interesting
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: it is that we all have different sort of genetic
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: mutations that can affect.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Our abilities to detalks.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And do you address those in your practice or do
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: you feel like there are some sound protocols that can
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: kind of be applied across the board, or some things
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: that are just very applicable to kind of all humans.
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: Sound protocols. We don't even test MTHFR a lot of
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: people if they haven't already know anyway, when they're finding out,
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of times where the last resort
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: they've already been through the things they've done this and
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: that we do support methylation. It's very important. You really
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: can't detox properly without supporting that. So we just do
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: that for everyone. I mean, it's the world we live in.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: In the toxic world. This burden is too much. Normally
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: we do have a proper detox that our bodies should
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: be able to do. But you know, fifty years ago
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: it's not the same as now. Yes, our kids have
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: I don't even know how many vaccines when they're little,
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: seventy two is it seventy two?
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Seventy two doses?
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: Absolutely crazy. You know, we don't eat I think about
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: that a lot. We don't eat tuna, and we don't
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: smoke or drink when we're pregnant or all these things
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: they come out. Let's just put all this stuff in that, right,
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: it's okay, But anyway, just not to get derailed because babies,
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: even without that, they're getting all the moms toxins.
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like if you have metal fillings in your teeth,
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: your kid has mercury by the time they're born.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, and so work a lot. Yes, and the aluminum exposure.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: And people will say, oh, well you get aluminum, you
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: know ingested It's like, yeah, well, ingestion and injection are
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: a little bit different. Let's not treat them like they're
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: the same thing. But it's not just that, it's we
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: do live in a toxic soup. We were just I
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: was just my husband loves to golf, and I love
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: to golf now because he loves to golf, but he
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: had read something about just how toxic golf courses are.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: And I was like, dang it.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Like here, we think we're out here breathing fresh air
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: and out doing something physically, and we're just inhaling massive
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: amounts of chemicals from these you know, greens.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: These that's why you bring those shoes into the house.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: That from the golf course you get your clothes.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: Like there's a little things that make a big difference.
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: But you know, the jet fuel in airplanes now has aluminum, so.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: You know, oh my goodness, sigh, you're getting it.
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's why it's the body can't handle all
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: of this anymore. We are. Toxicity is so high, the burden,
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: we can't carry it. So that has a lot to
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: do with the OBCD epidemic too, because if your body
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: can't get rid of it, it's going to just take
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: it and store it and fat away from your vital
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: organs as best it can to protect you for survival.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Wow, that makes me so much sense. That makes so
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: much sense, yes, because so many of your vital organs
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: are there, and your belly and you know, my mom
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in twenty twenty and it
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: was a huge blow to our family for the most part.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, my mom was a smoker for a lot
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: of her life, but she had probably been quit at
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: least twenty something years before she was diagnosed. And you know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: they grew up in a different era kind of everybody smoked.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: But after that, she owned a fitness center, she exercised regularly.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: She probably ate healthier than just about anybody I'd ever
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: met in my life. She never drank alcohol, and here
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: she got pancreatic cancer, and of all people, she would
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: have been the last on the list of people that
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: I would have thought, yeah, you're you're high risk for cancer.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: And luckily it was stage one and she's had to
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: have a lot of intervention, but she's still with us,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: and I'm just so concerned with what can I do
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: to minimize my risks. You know, luckily there was nothing
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: genetic that came up for that, but from an environmental standpoint,
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I need to start thinking about reducing my risk because
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: literally everybody in my family except my father has died
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: from cancer. And my father died from diabetes and he
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: started getting dementia and I think he had like the
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: type three diabetes that they talk about, which is insulin
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: related Alzheimer's disease basically, And so I want to be
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: able to make these changes. But psychologically we've already discussed
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: that overwhelm is something that will make people quit immediately.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make sure like if because even
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: with like blood work right and blood panels, there's you know,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: forty panel three, one hundred and fifty panel like in
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: your opinion, and I don't know, do you guys do
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: panels within your practice?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, So we.
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: Don't just do blood, we do stool, saliva, urine, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: we do everything we can to get information.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So because I think that, you know, just
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: to kind of bring it back in so that people
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: don't leave this episode like, oh.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Gosh, so what do I do?
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: You know, like, would you suggest starting there with a blood,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: a blood work panel, and some other tests around, maybe
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: stool you know you're tex, Well.
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: It's kind to help you with it, right. If it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: just going to be there, it's just going to make
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: more overwhelmed because if you don't know, you're not going
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: to understand it yourself. And how do we piece it together?
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: Where use do we get a blood panel and your
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: doctor says your cholesterols high? Uh? Your this is low?
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: Take this? Take like that's our answers that we're given
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: most of the time. Right, How do we step back
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: and look at the body as a whole and say, oh,
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: this is the priority? Right? You have age pylori. Maybe
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: that's why you have reflux, not because you're missing this drug?
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah you have?
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: Then why do we have that overgrown infection? What else
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: is happening? Is there? And so there's just don't do
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: it to overwhelm yourself, because to me, when you do labs,
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: it's to empower you. So there's a game plan in
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: place on what to do about it. So I would say,
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: whether it's me or somebody else, just somebody that knows
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: how to help you and give you a real game
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: plan on how to address it, because it is multifaceted.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: It isn't just take these supplements. You know a lot
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: of functional medicine, that's what it is. You get the labs,
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: you take the supplements. That's not what we do, you know.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: I believe supplements should supplement a lifestyle that you're learning,
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: and that's being given to you based on what you need,
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: what you're about, what your life is about. No one
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: is the same. No one's labs are ever the same,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: no one's history, nobody is the same. And so that's
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: the way I look at it. It shouldn't be scary
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: to get results back. It should be empowering so that
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: we have something to now do about it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And you do have a book, right, so people could
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: read your book. Let's talk about your I definitely want
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: to hear more about your awaken wellness is what it's called, right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: And taking back the power to control your own health.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, for all of our listeners. I think
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: that's a beautiful place to start.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I mean sometimes picking up a book and just bringing
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: some awareness in and some intentionality around maybe taking that
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: next step, because it can be scary and it can
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: be overwhelming, and then you get decision fatigue, and you know,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the world we live in, that's a whole other issue.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: But sometimes just picking up the book and starting there
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: is a great first step. So I want to encourage
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: all of you guys out there who are listening to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: go check out doctor Nicole Rothain's book Awaken Wellness.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: Yes it is on Amazon beautiful.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: And where else can we find you? If people want
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: to find you and your prow just where can they go?
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: So doctor Nicole dot com is my website d R
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: N I C O l E dot com And of
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: course I'm in all the social places, not like you,
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: doctor Hensley, but a very teeny tiny following. I don't
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  Speaker 6: put the energy I wish I did, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I bow to you for oh hell that you do
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  Speaker 6: in that and it inspires me. But you know, well,
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  Speaker 6: one day maybe so I do have doctor Nicole Rothman
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  Speaker 6: on Instagram, doctor Nicole Rothman with the one on Facebook,
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  Speaker 6: and I am sure I have YouTube, I have all
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  Speaker 6: the places.
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  Speaker 2: We'll make sure that we put it all in the
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: description as well, so as well, I.
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  Speaker 6: Really want to go direct. The website is the fastest way.
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  Speaker 6: We do offer webinars for people to attend so they
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: can get a little more information about our process and
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  Speaker 6: how we we use what we call our five Pillars
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  Speaker 6: of Hell health and how we apply that to you know,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's hormones, menopause. You know, some people have hormone
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  Speaker 6: issues non menopause related. There are men out there might
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: need help. We do work with men too, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Like I said, I just have this like this place
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  Speaker 6: in my heart for women going through it. But they
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  Speaker 6: can attend a webinar or get a call with us.
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  Speaker 6: We do give you know, some time to people that
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  Speaker 6: want to see if we can help them. And we
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  Speaker 6: do like that a lot, because I don't we don't,
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  Speaker 6: you know, work with just anyone. We do want to work,
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  Speaker 6: like I said earlier, with someone that's really ready to
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  Speaker 6: take the steps to make the changes they need to
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  Speaker 6: make for themselves. Because anyone we work with, they're really
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: the hero in the story. We're just in the background
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  Speaker 6: giving them the game plan and you know, cheering their lits.
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  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 6: We do coach people. It's really important so they don't
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  Speaker 6: get overwhelmed and they don't self sabotage, and they don't
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  Speaker 6: put limits and they you know, we want them to
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  Speaker 6: keep going forward.
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  Speaker 2: So well, what a wonderful resource for you, doctor Hensley,
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  Speaker 2: to use with your own clients, you know, who maybe
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: have that missing.
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  Speaker 4: Piece exactly because I can help them with the relational
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  Speaker 4: trauma and safety in their marriage. I can help them
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  Speaker 4: with that piece. I can help them feel safe in
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: their own body with their emotions, but I can't help
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  Speaker 4: them detox. That is not my area of expertise.
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  Speaker 6: An emotional detox.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, and really we all should be operating
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  Speaker 4: from this biopsychosocial model of health. And it is so
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: unfortunate that our healthcare industry, even our mental health care industry,
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: is not operating from this model. We want to take
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: these pieces and pull them apart and act like they
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: can operate in isolation, and they don't. They are mutually
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: influencing each other at all times. So thank you so
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  Speaker 4: much for being here and talking to us about Really
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  Speaker 4: I learned all Like I had no idea that's what
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: perimenopause was like, I had no idea. I thought it
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: was just like your more months are kind of sputtering out. No,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: apparently your journal has become responsible. That is a huge
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  Speaker 4: breakthrough for me and understanding my own health. So we
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: just appreciate you being here, and we'll encourage our listeners
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  Speaker 4: to pick up your book just to have a landing
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  Speaker 4: place to get started with all of this, because we
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: don't want people to feel overwhelmed. We want people to
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: feel like there is a path forward that feels realistic
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: for them.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope everyone who's listening has been empowered
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: by this episode. Obviously, go check out doctor Rothman at
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: doctor Nicole dot com and then of course go check
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: out doctor Hensley at the lovedoc dot com. Obviously you're
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: gonna need both of these things on your healing journey,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: and it just makes sense. I mean, like, I'm very
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: interested now to check out your services and doctor Rothman
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: because you helped me.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I want to give that.
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  Speaker 4: Back to you so much. Thank you so much, so
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: thank you so much.
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  Speaker 6: Grateful that you had me on and that I got
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: to meet, and I would love to continue to collaborate.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: And it really helped me see a part of myself
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: that I didn't realize.
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  Speaker 5: Yes a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for that. And it was
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: really wonderful having you in the program. And I knew
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: it about the diet cope and you called me out.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: I thought, this lady smart and we better talk to her.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: We want to pick her brain. So you have helped
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: us as well too, and we look forward to I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: look forward to reading your.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: Book than you to me too.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, doctor Althur.
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• 1:00:43
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• 1:00:45
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