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EP 50: Andrew Nilo | Chasing Shapes Over Outputs and Becoming a Director · The Strength In Numbers Podcast

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Back your mind, you have to understand what you're doing
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because there's a call. It's cost everything.
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And that's also been a big thing of learning this past two years,
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understanding all your head coaches across the whole board
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and truly building that relationship to get down to the
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actual needle of like, hey, this guy actually wants this now how
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do I produce that? And then once you build those
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relationships and it's like trying to create the staff and
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the system among the staff to hopefully match the goal.
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We're playing catch up right now and how we operate and how we do
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a lot of stuff. And so it's a good thing, right?
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It challenges me as an individual.
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I think I've grown more here in six months than I've had been
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probably about two years. Truly reverse engineer
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everything you do and you start asking yourself questions that
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you can't answer. Then that's when you start
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understanding a little bit more of like, why do I do stuff like
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why if they actually push any course to my goal?
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Welcome to the Strength in Numbers podcast.
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I'm your host John Bloom, and today's guest is Andrew Neilo.
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Neilo's in his first year as the head Olympic strength and
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conditioning coach at Texas State after winning multiple
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baseball conference championships and a trip to the
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College Award series with Oral Roberts.
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Now Neil is one of the smartest and coaches I know, and we dive
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into how his training is evolving, what he's adding, what
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his weekly stretcher looks like, and why he shifted to valuing
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shape changes and movement even more than outputs.
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This is also his first year in a director role, and we talked
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about what that transition has been like, how it's made him
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grow as a leader, and what he's doing to become a better
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communicator. If you're getting value from
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review. It helps us continue to reach
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and impact more coaches. Let's get into today's episode.
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Nilo, it is great to have you on.
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Dude. You know, you're one of the, the
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smartest strength coaches I've been around.
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I mean, I'm excited to always get to be around you and learn a
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little bit more because I know I'm going to always get, get
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some new knowledge when I, when I, when I talk with you.
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Now, yeah, I appreciate that. Means a lot coming from John
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Bloom. John Bloom's asleep for the
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hardest workhorse I've ever seen.
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I'll never forget the first, I think it was the first 3 or 4
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weeks when you're at Orio and you're making eggs and shakes
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for the boys at like 4:00 AM. And it was, I can't remember
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what year he was, had so many. It was Kemp, or was it mild
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Kemper? Kemper.
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And I looked at him, I was like, damn, I'll give that guy about
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six weeks before you get burned out a little.
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Did you know John Blue did it the entire year?
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And I was like, damn, that guy's an engine.
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Oh yeah, Happy to. Be here, man.
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I don't. I don't miss that.
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Sorry, man. I just did the podcast with
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Jacob Garvin and we were talking about some of that stuff and I
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was like, yeah, I, I don't reckon he, he was asking about
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the blacks. And I was like, I don't, I don't
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do it, man. But well, well, cool, man.
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Well, for, for people that don't know who you are, man, who are
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you? Where you at?
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How'd you get there? Yeah, my name's David Neilo.
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I'm at Texas State currently director over Olympic work with
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baseball, a little bit of women's soccer overseas, GA
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little bit have the internship program, trying to hand off the
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internship program, believe it or not, don't have enough time
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for that anymore. But before this, I think I've
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been here for five months, maybe six months before this, the L
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Roberts four year before that was that Missouri State,
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Missouri State for a whole year and semester and 1/4 at Delta
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State. That TCU for internship went
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back there in the summer. Before that was at APEC down
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Fort Worth and then MJP down. Nice.
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And I want to talk about that transition now into this new
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role where we're at Texas State and first time really being in
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that director's seat, you know, like, or you man, like you're
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women's soccer, baseball, actually killing it, all that
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stuff like with the with those teams winning championships,
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producing high level athletes. But now it's different right
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now. It's not just it's not just
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training, it's not just coaching leadership, it's admin, it's all
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those things like when you stepped in that role and when
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you first had that transition, like what are the biggest things
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you didn't realize you needed to know or have in place before you
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actually stepped into the role? For sure, I need to be a bit
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better communicator at the case. I mean, you've worked with me.
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I have my own language and I and I'm very blunt and I need to go
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learn how to sugarcoat things a little bit more.
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Especially if somebody doesn't know me as an individual or
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personally, they could see that as like, wow, that guy just told
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me the answer. They felt me telling me the
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answer, put it in a nice way. But building those relationships
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before I get through professional opinion, I like
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understanding all head coaches, where they come from, how their
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family life is, what their goals actually are.
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And I think building that relationship, you actually start
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getting toward the real goal. Like for example, the men's
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basketball wants guys more physical, little coach want more
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guys want physical right. They want to look better and all
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that good stuff. But then today, what do they
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actually want? Oh, they want athletes that can
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move wireless directs and all they want availability.
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So they want them to be healthy. They want be fast, jump high,
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all that stuff. I'm just XS and OS don't always
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mean a bigger and more physical guys be able to flow, be able to
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bounce, be able to strength, be able to cut, be able to change
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levels and get in and out of conspiciency.
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But those head coaches, if you don't build those relationships,
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you essentially don't really understand their true goals of
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what they're saying. He says once more, physical guys
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always on the court written on about not getting the point A to
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point B in a kind of manner or maybe that physicality, that guy
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is actually relaxing through that something to point.
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So understanding all your head coaches across the whole board
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and truly building that relationship to get down to the
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actual needle of like, hey, this guy actually wants this now, how
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do I produce that? And then once you build those
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relationships and it's like trying to create the staff and
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the system among the staff to hopefully match their goal or
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try to just even connect the pipeline of communication from
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the head coach to the sport coach, right.
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And I say that in your original question is like, what I had to
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learn at all stems from just being a better communicate and
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then learning how to receive a message and then digest the
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message and get the message of what I actually need to say.
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Friendly Trasm. That makes sense.
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But yeah, that was the biggest of the biggest one.
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And then learning how to get out of my bubble.
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I say like, I'm a big stand, my lane guy.
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Well, now all the lanes lead to me.
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So it's like, I mean, I'll get text messages on Sunday at like
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8:00 PM. I'm like, well, Dan, let me
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handle this real quick. And I'll give them my head coach
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call, give assistant coach call and state my opinions or state
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I'll I'll meet with a guy or figure out what's going on.
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Half the half the time, 85% of time I'm just the middle man.
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All right, middle man connecting with the sport coach, with the
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strength coach, with the AT. Make sure that pipeline is there
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of communication. Yeah.
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And when we were at Oral Roberts and you were with women's soccer
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and baseball, like you had great relationships with with those
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head coaches and report those Staffs.
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How do you see it being like, is it, do you feel like it's a lot
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harder in terms of like what you're just talking about right
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now to create those relationships and and lines of
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communication of how you can best serve the coaches when
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you're not working for that sport?
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And and how you're actually forming that relationship and
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having those levels of communication when you're not
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with those Staffs all the time, you're not directly serving them
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for sure. Especially with the location,
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sometimes I got to go across campus and but I think I mean
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it's just like anything show up to a practice and like not even
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my sport. You show up to a practice and a
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head guy or assistant coach to see them like damn, directors
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here watching practice just to watch practice that red gates
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won't build that relationship, which shows that care and it's
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and it's meeting with people on a on a on a basis.
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And then I might say basis like sometimes I organize
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professional me. I'm like, hey, coach Johnson now
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let's meet. Are you available next week?
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And then he's a big hey, I want to sit down in my office and
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we're going to talk to the tennis coach on the other day.
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I just walk in and pop my head in once a week, say hey, oh,
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good. Yeah, oh, good.
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But learning on who those personalities are like
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basketball guys, super structure, that was some pretty
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cool, but they still operate in high levels.
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Just you got to figure out how they how they go about that and
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sometimes just walk them by office with a cup of coffee in
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the morning gets the job done and you build that wedge that
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rather than having a true organized need.
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Yeah, but no, that's really good.
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But it's it's which it's, I think I mentioned to you this on
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a phone call. It's like that's taken up a lot
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of my time. Like my, I'm a big morning guy,
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my morning now consistent education.
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It used to be training. And then once head coaches and
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staff starts getting in, I start making my trips from that long.
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So it came away about now my time for all it takes me one
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head coach to be like, Hey, you got a second and then that you
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took about 30 minutes. And I trained boys and I look
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up, I'm like, damn, we're at that.
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Yeah. So I mean, it takes time out
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every day, but I feel like it's a necessary thing you got to do.
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And I'll need to build the to extend back to what those
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people's goals are. Yeah.
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Do you, do you feel like, like with, like you're talking about
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the extra time commits, the extra demands on you to take
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care of all those fires and have those conversations every day,
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every week? Has that taken away from what
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you're able to do pouring into like the baseball team that
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you're training and everything you're trying to do there?
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Or is it more so you're still taking care of the director
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role, you're taking care of everything you need for the
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team? And it's kind of these other
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things of like your training, maybe some of the time you can
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spend on your own education that are the things that kind of take
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the hit versus those two main rocks for you.
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For sure. When I first got here, I got
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here late. I think I got here in October.
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I planned on gutting the entire baseball program out of the
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gate. I'm like, OK, I'm still come in
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and make it mine. And everybody was on the same
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thing. Everything was on same block and
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I just went with the roll with it.
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But to be honest, I've been around baseball now like to
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think I don't have to look at stuff as intensely as deeply in
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order to get a somewhat result of what I'm chasing.
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So honestly, baseball is kind of on the background.
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I was like, OK, I'll go to practice or we dine in and I'll
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watch some 10. I'm going to train my guy.
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I'm so don't do it well at a high level, but at the same time
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I'll pour more energy into the part in relationship to any kind
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of relations. My staff, you know, it's up to
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talking to people. I met with soccer coach.
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He was rattled that I met with him 3 twice in two months and he
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was like, oh, OK, but yeah, just checking in, make sure
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everything fun. But I think that's moving
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forward, especially going to the pack where my department stand
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and relationship to other things.
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It's like we need to evolve. We need to catch up with we're
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playing catch up right now and how we operate and how we do a
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lot of stuff. And so it's a good thing, right?
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It challenges me as an individual.
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I think I've grown more here in six months.
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I've had been probably about two years just learning how to be a
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better human. I always tell people I'm
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laughing. I'm the most unprofessional
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professional because I'm going to do my stuff.
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I'm going to do what you hire me to do.
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I'm not think I do at a high level, might not like that
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myself. Sometimes I'll operate, I'll do
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things, but I don't give God. And that's honestly my opinion.
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What a professional. But I got a tangent there,
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there's no question. Well, here I want to say, as you
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talked about how you're trying to play catch up, trying to
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evolve the just the department as a whole so much, what are the
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biggest areas like that are needing to evolve and needing to
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grow and you need to catch up that you feel like you're having
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to pour the most into right now? Just having more connectivity
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with support staff and head coaches.
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Definitely I would say the biggest lane we've made leads
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about the ready. Like there's some some people
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never had a support staff in a team meet, right, Or I might say
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teammate, like sport coach staff, like they've either had a
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strength coach or they haven't had the AT in that before.
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And then they're running into issues like, well, breaking a
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pipeline. There's probably reason why 50%
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of your athletes might be hurting right now because we're
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not communicating on what we're doing on both decks.
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Become a holistic program. And like I'm not not a widget in
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basketball. Like I'm not all I think I
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specialize in baseball, but basics is basic human body, body
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abides by law, but it's just just making sure head coaches
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and support staff all on the same page and then just trying
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to evolve the fluctuation in the weight room.
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And then I'm also trying to get space here.
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It's also challenged me a lot. You've seen how I train my guys
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is that you Sprint, we jump, we do a lot of really athletic
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stuff. And then we come in the weight
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room. We let the neighbors out there,
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you know, the majority of our trains on court right here.
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I don't have access to space. So you can imagine when I first
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got here, I was freaking out like, Oh my God, where am I
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sprinting? Where am I jumping?
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And I've had to adapt. I still Sprint, jump my guys,
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but now it's like almost solo day.
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It's like I got to reserve the basketball court because there's
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a basketball tournament going on.
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I was like, you have a kid in the direct time and I guess
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anyway. But yeah, just figuring out how
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to roll with punches and then understanding your goals and
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thing and giving it done. That was a big killed for me to
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swallow is that I thought my world is endicious, like not my
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world is ending. But I've never had that happen
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before. And now with the new stand and I
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was like, Oh my God, like what? What am I doing?
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So I had really had to sit down, think about my program, how I
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need to operate it and everything like that.
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But that was no big, big rock. How I know?
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I know even, you know, you're someone that's always learning
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and evolving. You know, I know it the time we
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were there over you and then, you know, after I left, I could
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see that the way you were training and think about
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training was evolving. I'm sure it's continued to
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evolve at Texas State. And obviously you're saying it's
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had to change because of just logistics.
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So like how was your thought process on training evolved
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regardless of logistics? And then maybe talk a little bit
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more in like how you've had to adjust it because of the
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logistics of space. And maybe I has, has there been
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anything that you've changed because of logistics?
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Like, hey, like I actually really like the way this is
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going. And even if I had like
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logistics, I might stick with some of this.
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My trainings involved a lot, however, it's it's everybody
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talks about movement and I couldn't have met all that could
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dad the middle of them. Actually it's mentor all that
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good stuff. Past year and a half two years,
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I've really gotten down the apartment stuff and it's put a
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new inside and movement and the transition of energy from the
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floor up right and the series of turns that has to happen in
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order to get shapes. And we talked about
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relationships and we talked about gold and in the baseball
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world where we're output driven yes, correctly.
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So because all we care about that good dealers and throwing
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viewers right and they'll build it well, what's the prereqs of
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that Prereqs is shapes and what is sport coaches coach?
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They coach shapes. They're like OK, hey this guy,
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you need to get more on your hip.
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Can you do XY and Z in order to get this attacking?
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They go do that. Then we run into athletes.
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I can't fit. They do it and if they do do it,
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it's, I call it fake, a fake shape.
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And so it's, it's going deeper down in relationship to how bio
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mechanics work in relationship to internal dynamics and fancy
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word guts looking guts through inside inside of your IPA and
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ISA in order to use true shapes. I think it has a lot of weight,
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to be honest with you. I've had really high success,
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not high success. I've been successful with
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implementing this model and relationship to a few guys, but
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it's very, very detailed like we're talking about, hey, you
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got to get your right throat cancer contact into the ground.
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You got to get your distal gamer contact on the ground, on the
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ground, on the sideline, and you got to get your first met head
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and your lateral portion of your cup game on the wall.
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And if you can't do it and you got a foam roll, you got to hit
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a breathing exercise. The issue with it is sometimes
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it takes away the training environment.
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You've been around me. I like my training environment.
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I like rowdy. I like expressive guys.
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I like my guy for sure. So it's been a balance of
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knowing when I need to implement something in order to achieve
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it's safe. That may have a Co product of a
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higher exit dealer, higher phone dealer, making the sport coach's
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job easier so he doesn't have to call.
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So many audibles of why this athlete in front of me can't do
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it. Sometimes it's hey, if this guy
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gets presses 135 and struggles with it and you compress them a
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little bit back your mind. You have to understand what
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you're doing for those call it's cost everything.
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And that's also been a big thing of learning this past two years.
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I was a prime example of is that I start falling apart and I had
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a pivotal shift in how I operate myself that I had a kid and I
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was day. I'm pinching my nerves thrown on
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my back and then I can help my wife help my kid out.
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And so that was truly at the time when I was like, damn, I
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need to figure something out because this whole ripping out
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Roach and then kind of run 22 miles an hour and then
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especially different and that helped me stem onto this
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environment. I saw somebody post something
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the other day. It's eat from your own kitchen.
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And now I've saturated myself under it where it's I actually
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pay a guy to train you and all I do is, and he's a big Hartman
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guy. It's helped me grow and it's
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helped me learn. And that shifts at the end of
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the patience and then shapes that I'm trying to acquire for
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myself that maybe a few of my athletes might need motive to
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get a better first first move on.
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Now that people like what they can actually have a full staff
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in there and they've got a holistic foot and they got to
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push back. They get their guts up, believe
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it or not, first move and sets up everything else.
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That dog water relationship, the holistic turns everything else
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after that's going to be compensatory or compensation
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pattern down the mouth. Probably the reason that guy
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gone goes back. There's making super tight.
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There's answers that they it's got to be 1 to get your brain
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thrown in a blunder for probably about a year and a half and then
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things start. Yeah, you know, I think you
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bring up a good point with you need talked about the
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intentionality and detail needed to actually get results from
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doing stuff like that and how that might influence the
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training environment kind of have a balance there.
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And I remember like, you know, we were back when I was like
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really trying to learn. You can't learn in the the PRI
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world quite a bit. You know, similar stuff there a
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little bit with, you know, not getting after training wise more
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more sensing and feeling type stuff.
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And I think it might have been like Pat Davidson or one of
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them, you know, talking about like there's a, there's a time
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to like sense and feel and there's a time to like, you
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know, just go be a savage and like go, you know, be a meathead
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just like RIP it a little bit. Can you talk more about like
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finding the balance between that and, and maybe also like from
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the perspective of your athletes, like how, how do they
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perceive it? Like are they bought in?
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OK, yeah. We, this is like when we do this
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stuff and like, I'm not just going through the motions or
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whatever. And like, I, I see the real
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value in it. But still, maybe given some of
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that stuff where they get to get ratted, they get a chirp, they
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get to have fun and then then get after a little bit like how
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do you find the balance between the two there?
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I think you have to understand who you're dealing with.
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My biggest guy that I do right now for that type of stuff, he
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trains five times a week, He foam rolls often, he does
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breathing stuff and he does assisted step up, diagonal step
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up side, no sit stuff. A lot of fencers and and cults
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of sport cost stuff. I still let him spread.
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I still let him jump because I thank me for I think training
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should be enjoyable. You should walk in the late
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room. Do I tell you in relationship to
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I just put somebody's throat out or in a relationship to I moved
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a lot better than what I just walked out.
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But I think giving feedback to those guys, they are
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implementing that that type of model to is important.
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I videotape everything like I actually it's funny because I
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actually ran out of stories. I had about 8000 videos on my
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phone and I had about 1000. I had it on one of the plus that
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I got and delete 3000 because I couldn't see it.
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But I show before and after like before session, after session,
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how it translates to the mound, how it translates to the box.
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And if you can get that done, you don't get by.
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What are they here for? They here to throw a ball or hit
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a ball and then obviously the weight room stuff and still do
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athletic stuff. I still let them do things.
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However, I have to be cognitive of what we're doing.
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Relationship to outputs. That guy I just mentioned, he
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sprints maybe once every two weeks.
20:03
Baseball world. So I lose their mind like you're
20:05
only spreading it because who wants to match the man?
20:07
National stuff, frequency of sprinting.
20:10
Yeah, but it's not my goal to get this guy more forward.
20:13
Especially get this guy more back and Sprint.
20:15
He's don't push him more forward.
20:16
He's already very cool. Understanding your goal,
20:19
understand your stems and what your stems are actually going to
20:23
to this big this individual. Make sure it's a list because
20:25
what it trained should be elliptical and should be cold.
20:28
And then once you understand the goal, go get it.
20:30
Is that going to be a guy that's a freshman that's 175 lbs.
20:33
I need to put it on that and how he moves.
20:35
It's he swings like absolute dog water and has a super high
20:38
attack angle because it's compressed.
20:41
I'll only cognitive of our intensity of what would bench
20:43
press and won't be cognitive of how we're pressing the normal
20:47
bench press with a barbell to eat elevated feet on the wall is
20:51
a decline to feet on the wall right contact contact Madison
20:55
gotten really big into content PSI spine scap placement, how we
20:59
hold dumbbells. I still love them change
21:01
outputs, but now it's more orientated toward like let's
21:03
operate in space of what you had.
21:06
So I don't make my consequences aren't as great, if that makes
21:09
sense. Like if I have somebody that's
21:12
squished and I tell them to go hit a A3 plus set, but they
21:16
should have 5 Rep maxed the three plus, I just squished them
21:18
more and the tack angle just got deeper.
21:20
Just chase percentages don't go up.
21:23
Yeah, it's a favorite Latation in the late room.
21:25
Like I said, if you come here to throw and you come here to swim
21:27
and just be cognitive of what you're doing.
21:29
Was as, as you started diving into this the last year and a
21:34
half or so, was it hard to shift the way you're doing things?
21:39
And like, I know, like, oh, are you like, you know, at least
21:42
when we were there, it's like, OK, even throughout the season,
21:45
like you're usually sprinting twice a week at least, you know,
21:47
doing all your guys and, and you're having great results,
21:50
right? You know, that summer before
21:52
College World Series, was it hard for you to shift from what
21:55
you had seen success with or once you start understanding
21:59
things like, OK, like this makes sense.
22:00
And like, I'm just going to chase what I think makes sense.
22:03
And like, I'm not attached to the way you were doing it
22:06
before. Yeah, I think about that every
22:08
day. That's the Yang and the Yang,
22:10
right? I think when I first got to ORUI
22:13
think I had a lot of beginner games and a lot of my seniors
22:17
were blossoming. Guys were PR and for like 6
22:20
weeks, 7-8 weeks straight now like OK, that's that doesn't
22:24
happen. I'm sorry you just never read
22:27
something before. I think what I did was good.
22:30
I think I didn't understand consequences of what I was doing
22:35
because we can go back and look at some of those stats, the
22:37
beginning of the year, beginning of the fall and relationship to
22:40
because we had a lot of cave that stuff and we had a lot of
22:42
black stuff. And obviously we would look at
22:44
Fox Sports, strikeouts went up, case percentages went up.
22:48
I actually still have videos of guys training and I'll look back
22:51
at it and be like, damn, I'll squishing that guy.
22:53
He doesn't have full context. He doesn't leave him on his fist
22:56
mat when he's doing thing. But it works, right?
22:58
What are we dealing with? We're dealing with athletes.
23:00
And that's where you got to give yourself grace and relationship
23:03
to understanding these consequences.
23:05
You're dealing with the eager athletes.
23:07
It's kind of find a way to succeed when systems don't find
23:09
a way to succeed at the demands of what you get.
23:11
Are you creating an appearance? Potentially, yeah.
23:13
But then sometimes it's interference is favorable
23:15
adaptation based on what they do.
23:17
Like I have a guy here 94 to 97 freshman too big spinal engine
23:24
guy big back then like this guy's phonics, you guys.
23:27
She's she is like his his T one through 10 or 8.
23:31
And then you look at his L1 through 5 and we does back
23:34
bends. It looks like a 90 bend, 90°
23:36
bend. I was like, yeah, the guy has no
23:37
drastic extension right now. Do I want to mess with that?
23:41
I might manage it. I might be cognitive of it.
23:44
I know his hips aren't the greatest, but it creates the
23:46
mobility to respond. Of course, 9497 how much
23:50
interference do I want to create with somebody that's gone?
23:52
9497 It's also a freshman, all right?
23:54
So understanding what you're dealing with, managing something
23:58
to make sure that it doesn't get out of hand in order for this
24:00
person to blow up, I think is the name of the game, especially
24:03
in the baseball world. Like I'm getting freshman now
24:05
that it's also on at a bigger school.
24:08
I'm getting freshmen now. They're have pretty put together
24:10
like some of our freshmen. I look down like Dan, you're
24:13
probably one of the biggest guys at all.
24:14
You as as 18. It's just understanding what
24:18
what you're doing and how you're doing it and if you need to make
24:21
progress inside movement or you just need to manage movement for
24:23
health in a little. Bit and you know, earlier you
24:26
talked about, OK, you kind of got to have your head spin for a
24:29
year and a half and then you start to understand some of this
24:31
for me, for other people, like I've, I've, I've seen some of
24:35
the stuff from Bill Harmon, I've never really dug into a stuff
24:37
too much. Like, do you feel like you have
24:39
to go kind of all in to really get value from trying to learn
24:43
about that stuff? Or like are there concepts that
24:45
you can start to take away to private value?
24:47
Like, you know, any, anything you can provide to provide, you
24:51
know, people that are listening right now?
24:52
Or is it something like, you've got to really dive deep into
24:55
this thing to actually start to see like results from your
24:59
understanding and being able to actually implement some of these
25:00
concepts? Good question.
25:02
Understanding old movement escape is important.
25:05
I think it it could put the different lens on how you look
25:09
at movement and look at training.
25:11
You can try to go deeper then you got to go and then all all
25:14
in is like, dude, why say I'm talking about this and people
25:18
are probably listening. You're like, oh wow, this guy
25:20
knows that decent my stuff and all that good jazz.
25:22
Like I talked to individuals that are doing some absolute and
25:27
they put my beam in the blender every single time I talk to
25:30
them. I'm like, damn, I thought I was
25:31
understanding this. Let me go back to my notebook
25:35
and let me go watch more videos because it's very dense.
25:38
It's probably the best understanding that movement or
25:46
all movements, gait and relationship to walking based
25:48
off propulsion is early, middle and late I think is important
25:53
because it helps you program a little bit, OK, It puts you a
25:55
little bit closer toward say your output guy, right?
25:58
OK, If I wanted my Fridays to be all output and I'm trying to put
26:01
somebody center got me forward, I probably want to play somebody
26:04
in the middle and or late in order to throw themselves
26:06
forward or up. I probably want to do your chops
26:08
that day. Probably want to do your Med
26:10
ball close vertical. Would that you probably want to
26:13
be 4 foot heavy or full foot bias 4 foot in order for you to
26:17
get posterior lines and and and overcoming connective tissue.
26:20
Start pushing stuff forward. That's going to raise your
26:22
output on your Monday. Maybe do it early day that Hey,
26:26
we don't elevate the front foot. We don't have front foot on
26:28
slants, but we don't have restrictions on weight and
26:32
relationship to shapes. We don't have front loaded
26:35
things that push my center grab you back.
26:37
But all that was that just organized the lift based off the
26:39
gate, based off the center of that you have where I need your
26:41
space. I think understand that is that
26:44
was big and me. That's how I kind of my
26:46
programming changed a little bit and I was like, oh wow, this
26:47
makes a lot of sense. And I did it myself for about
26:50
four months and I was like, I feel a little bit better.
26:53
I just feel combusting probably because I do a little bit stuff
26:56
to buy. If you want to go deeper into
26:59
that, you got to go and be honest.
27:02
Like I don't, I don't. If I have time, I don't really
27:05
digest very much of anything other than Heartland stuff or I
27:10
talk to people that make the Heartland model because it's a
27:12
different language. It's a different thought
27:15
process. It's very slow.
27:17
You've been around me. I'm a fast-paced guy.
27:19
I had to learn how to slow myself down multiple times.
27:22
I thought about saying forget about it.
27:23
I'm just going to go do XY because I know edge lines.
27:25
He works When you start landing stuff and you start seeing safe
27:29
changes and get people out of home, dude, it's it's.
27:32
And then like just being able to view guys throwing pens like,
27:36
oh, this guy, it's super onside. He gets shoved forward and then
27:40
you watch the sport club trying to drill him.
27:42
And then you as a coach that's knowledgeable or knowledgeable
27:45
enough in order to put in it like, oh, well, all the drills
27:48
are pushing them more forward. You're not going to be able to
27:50
do that. Maybe I'm here as my my job.
27:53
Maybe I need to get him the availability to get back and I
27:56
need to get his foot to actually achieve A prone his distal tib
28:00
and ER and his proximal pick an eye on distal famous neon.
28:05
I are so you get pelvis shake. So it comes from maybe new tape.
28:08
It's a narrow one. How do you want to cut it?
28:11
But just understanding that it's like the guy can't do it can't
28:14
do it and the sport coach is over there drilling this guy to
28:16
death, but he doesn't understand and maybe you can help sport
28:19
coach and relationship to the drill is there you're giving
28:21
them it's got a momentum or water bag.
28:24
Whatever you're trying to do. I hope that guy's but that that
28:28
can get because I get pissed off by the whole time.
28:31
I'll try to land some things and now and then I actually
28:34
sometimes make somebody worse, believe it or not.
28:36
I'm like, yeah, I just push that guy farther off.
28:39
I think I just gave him a step over strategy.
28:41
That's not good. So then I'll try to put him back
28:43
the way he was and sometimes I'll land in it.
28:45
I succeed. I'm like, oh, yeah, I felt sick.
28:47
I was like, he's a lot more stacked.
28:49
He's moving down the mountain, fasting.
28:50
He's all over the place a little bit.
28:51
Guess what? Once he figures it out, moving
28:53
down the mountain faster, four times distance.
28:55
What? Why?
28:56
There you go. And I just got figure out how to
28:58
how to harness his new engine and keep it there long enough
29:02
for him to actually get comfortable.
29:04
It's to answer your question for standing gates, movement helps
29:08
you look at movement a little bit different, a little bit
29:10
better. If you want to go deeper than
29:11
that, actually create shape change, you got to go over.
29:15
Yeah. No, that's really interesting.
29:17
I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to get down to San
29:19
Marcos and schedule a one-on-one assessment with you and see you
29:23
in see what, see what you think of, of what I look like and, and
29:26
you can fix my body. So as you talk about that, you
29:30
talk about some of those, you know, lining kind of gate with
29:35
the the training week like what what does maybe in the offseason
29:38
now in the end season, like what does your week kind of layout
29:41
look like from a 10,000 foot overview?
29:44
Usually train Monday, Tuesday, sometimes Friday depending on
29:47
car schedule or if not we we're going to train three times.
29:52
How in my hi many guys we tried to push ourselves back based off
29:59
the demands of what we just went through.
30:01
If you are foam rolling and breathing stuff and assisting
30:04
stuff, we get CRX squats. If it or not some of my guys go
30:07
some of my very strong individuals who TRX spots a
30:10
certain way with breathing pattern.
30:12
My guys I didn't play very much get after it go out gates.
30:15
We accumulate volumes on a cells, we jump, we spread, we
30:19
don't really take that much, do a lot of online stuff to do a
30:22
lot of good stuff, but we we press wait.
30:24
Like I'll pull out BBT stuff with those guys that's not I
30:27
don't BBT everything I want, but with those guys I do.
30:30
I'm trying to fix outputs still because I need them and I'll
30:33
train it and you don't need to combust it but surge.
30:37
Wednesday is going to be more of an upper body day with some some
30:41
footsteps and some rib cage stuff at the back end.
30:43
So I'll crush them AP wise with bench and if they play or not
30:47
then I'll crush the rib cage again.
30:49
Bladder your little AP stamping wise home roll at the back end.
30:53
Try to get the shape back and I'll put we just did Friday.
30:56
Depending on who they are. If you're hiding in a guy and
31:00
what's plate stuff looks it's not fast.
31:02
You don't fall more again, you don't breathe again, you don't
31:04
hit some sideline stuff. Based off of what I've described
31:07
on on the flush, I call it what? And then my other guys typical
31:11
game day stuff. You hit some throws for a little
31:14
bit, you know, hit throws, you jump.
31:15
Maybe some guys do overcome the ISO.
31:17
Some guys go battle step UPS. You guys go hard squat.
31:20
You guys go they unassisted squat.
31:22
You know it's squats, but the back ends always try to increase
31:26
movement availability in this particular system.
31:30
In and out on about 45, hopefully an hour.
31:33
Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome. You know, as as you've talking
31:37
about implementing Bill Hartman stuff and really looking at
31:39
movement and shapes and trying to see changes there, what what
31:43
metrics from a KPI standpoint are you still really looking at?
31:48
I know where you was like you're looking a lot of the fly times
31:51
and you know, acceleration times and force play data and and
31:54
different jumps. Like are you still looking at
31:56
those things or maybe still but not as much because you did
32:00
where it's not just about those outputs as much anymore?
32:03
Yeah, I look at force play stuff not as intensely as I as I once
32:07
did. I look at a lot of eccentric
32:09
stuff, eccentric acceleration, eccentric declaration forces
32:12
here with Lockheed P1P2 and take off and then how I explained the
32:17
coaches I use modified RSI and the power, hey, dude just got
32:20
that 15% deck of power. He's probably but eccentrics the
32:26
E century aspects of the jumps. So I'll tell you a lot.
32:28
Obviously, if you have a deck in the five to 10% back and and my
32:33
power, something's probably going on, especially if it's
32:37
probably going to be that understanding how and why and
32:40
then kind of look at what things operate.
32:42
Here's a prime example. My starting starting third
32:46
baseman, I'm going to say 1515° of early IR on the right.
32:52
I say about 40° of early ER on the right.
32:55
His right early IR went down to 0, his ER went up to down to 10,
33:02
and his left IR got magnified by 23.
33:05
His chase percentage went up. Start chasing balls a lot.
33:08
His tackling goes at high speed. Tech Baseball world Know what
33:12
that is fill up the socket orientation after four weeks of
33:16
playing so that next following week his training was dictated
33:20
wars or chord was it's not socket oriented.
33:23
Let's get him more IO on the right so he's not so heavy on it
33:26
so he can do a leg lift in the box without falling over in a
33:30
massively. I think those are bigger and
33:33
better APIs. I don't say better oriented.
33:36
The full orientated KPIs. You know what's going on?
33:39
I think it's it's the output world is important, not saying
33:43
it's not. It's just a sliver of the pie
33:45
and the more busy the pie that you can start collecting, the
33:48
better your goals not to start being poor relationship to how
33:51
you how you operate and how you training to certain individual.
33:56
Now with more KPIs and relationship to one goal, go
34:00
harder hit order or better batter.
34:03
How to get that better coverage. You just start and it starts
34:06
getting messy, right. So now we've got 3640 something
34:09
guy. Oh, this guy needs better
34:10
movement. This guy needs more output.
34:12
This guy needs both. This guy's humorous and it's
34:15
trying to rotate so much. He's got a heavy carry angle on
34:18
his elbow that pulls down on the left leg throws about managing
34:22
something like you talked about earlier before you jumped on the
34:24
how you changing your compound, the way everybody's kind of
34:27
doing the same stuff, similar thing.
34:29
It's just like a guy who arm bars.
34:32
I'm a big arm ball guy, like on side sideline or supine.
34:36
Change the on board variation and if it's really messed up,
34:39
like hey, guess what, graduation.
34:41
You go one-on-one depending on how high your stock is.
34:44
Like my Friday night guy, I'm within 5 * 5 * a week and it's
34:49
just one-on-one. It's a high stock guy.
34:52
It's a Friday night guy. But yeah, my KPI's have changed
34:57
movements. Obviously they're important.
34:58
Outputs are important. You want outputs to go down too
35:01
much. Like I mentioned, my Friday
35:03
night outputs are down in very beginning of the year by like
35:06
now probably about when you put that in game or when Christopher
35:11
down 5%, he's out 2-3 miles and out.
35:17
I in my opinion, I think it's from shapes.
35:19
He's operating better. He doesn't need all the output
35:21
and what he did on horse plate, it wasn't even transferring.
35:24
The shapes transferred because he's up.
35:26
Maybe skill got better or maybe his body started adapting to the
35:30
demands of the game. So it started thinning out the
35:32
goal better. Now it's just managing that.
35:35
We need this guy at this point of center of gravity black ride.
35:40
He's not going to be there after Friday because guess what?
35:42
He just gotten 72 car crashes on the mount after he threw 72
35:47
pitches in, I don't know, 5 to 850.
35:49
So it's trying to unwind it and trying to get it back for Friday
35:52
while touching some outputs in. There if if you were working
35:56
with more so middle school and high school athletes, would your
36:00
plan look different? Would it be more, OK, let's
36:03
build the engine a little bit more and chase those like build
36:06
the engine of outputs a little bit more or would it still be
36:09
chasing shapes and all that? Well, obviously still, you know,
36:12
you know, developing them still. Yeah, dude, I'll I'll play.
36:18
That's right, I jumped. We'll probably be a little more
36:20
output, just not negligent head put up a trap bar in the hole
36:25
that trap or make sure we got caught bad, but more just
36:28
control chaos like they're still growing.
36:30
And then Tiki Kalaki, right? They're probably in the window
36:34
of their most developmental stage and relationship to
36:37
creating the highest floor of what they can.
36:39
I'd say crush especially then they're adaptable.
36:43
They can adapt super fat stack brick.
36:45
Unless something starts crazy going on I probably wouldn't
36:48
implement nothing super high level or not.
36:52
The breathing Only reason I feel like it's it I do a little more
36:56
here is because these guys are already pumping out 115 exit US
37:00
coming to me at the 18 year old or .2 year old and like the
37:04
demands and outputs are high. It's going to have cost and
37:07
little Johnny going 60 miles back, it's not that much cost
37:10
unless. But yeah, throw a lot of
37:13
different stems at them. Play different games, have a
37:15
different game every 2-3 weeks. Make some fun.
37:18
Go play tag. Oh God, friend.
37:20
Get press a little bit, roll a little bit.
37:23
What? What influence did you spending
37:27
some of your initial time in the field of strength conditioning
37:32
at at in the private sector right at APEC at Michael Johnson
37:36
Performance Center? What did what did the what's the
37:38
influence of being the private sector on on how you do things
37:42
today or the coach you are today?
37:44
If if, if you steal some influence from that for.
37:47
Sure MJP how to speak. I still run a very MJP like Mac
37:53
VA sale day. I think it's good.
37:56
I mean a lot being strained there very fast.
37:59
Individuals usually went there and other countries are there.
38:02
I have a branch too far off of that.
38:03
I have a little bit in like Chris Corpus and Joel Smith
38:09
Peninsula, but in a little bit from the world speed and the
38:13
world chaos. I think APEC does a good job in
38:16
relation to providing different stands.
38:18
I was the fans within the 14 day sport around 14 to 21 day
38:22
sports. Very rarely.
38:24
It might seem like chaos, but it's actually pretty well
38:27
planned out. It should you gotta hear the
38:29
same what probably about but it's it's there's a reason for
38:34
the madness. I think those type of sports are
38:36
money. I think it's, it's if you try
38:38
and train certain outputs, holistic matter and trying to
38:41
raise ceilings and multiple qualities at once.
38:44
I think being confined to a one week splits hurting you.
38:48
Now it's like I mentioned you, I'm old school now kind of
38:52
people are doing stuff on iPads and I have brain and
38:54
everything's like I do 14 days what's on a sheet because it
38:57
doesn't fit my sheet once it goes front and back.
39:00
And then I got to tell an 18 year old that we're on the back
39:02
portion of the sheet a block 2A and he's not going to figure
39:06
that out. They influenced me quite a bit.
39:08
I mean, like if you look at how I train my guys, like you're
39:11
going to see some hands of MVP. So you want to see some points
39:14
of API picture. But I also think though actually
39:19
MVP, MVP was very detailed 130. Of course you have to be the
39:24
people that didn't outside the kids, like the high level guys,
39:28
they're chasing 1%. Like when I'm the one Dustin got
39:31
one that we're scanning his foot, we're looking at his toes
39:35
and put his foot on the stand. He ran on a on a 10 yard, 20
39:40
yard force plate that they had on the run track that would
39:43
drain in once a week, just ran. But everything was like
39:47
extremely detailed. And I think that that kind of
39:50
bred that into me a little bit and I went to TCU.
39:52
All right. After that, that Zach just
39:54
reinforced it even more. It's just more of a compound
39:57
that spread. And I think if you get all three
40:00
of those and combine them into into one, that's kind of where
40:03
that's what kind of where my identity came from.
40:06
All right. Fast paying off until the
40:09
matter. Yeah, no.
40:10
And I then, you know, we've talked about so now a little bit
40:13
of how those those early jobs kind of influenced and developed
40:17
here and then kind of late stages now.
40:19
And you know how you've been evolving training wise, director
40:22
wise at Texas State. And in the middle, you know,
40:25
between the like, what if the different stages of development
40:29
looked like for you both, you know, as a how you're coaching
40:32
and training, how you're operating as a professional in
40:35
your career. Like what other like key?
40:38
If there's like chapters of your development, what are those key
40:41
chapters for you? Would say TCU was really big.
40:44
TCU was a very big eye opening that wanted to be in college
40:50
because I was always a loud and rounded guy hard Jimmy.
40:53
It's like I was the guy that shotgun the bang was on the
40:56
weight room door banging on it, telling Coke Coleman to let me
40:59
in if he listens the homesick and don't laugh.
41:04
But I was that guy, right? And I was a little wild here
41:07
after that. Went to the private sector and
41:09
the private sector was completely different and I was
41:11
like, wow, this is sick, but at the same time like it's not me.
41:15
Then I went to apex, same thing, same concept.
41:17
Then I went to TCU and then I'll never forget 5:30 in the morning
41:22
after loading up because this is like I think COVID bid or post
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COVID, barely post COVID loading up four hundred £500 on 20 sleds
41:30
and there's like 4 or 5 inch Angeles and got there like 5:00
41:33
AM. And then little Wayne Blunt
41:35
blown came on while the offensive defensive lineman came
41:38
on and survives were there. And I was like, yeah, this is
41:41
it. Like this is where I need to be.
41:42
But then I learned that I'm not crazy enough to do that for nine
41:46
months for football. I think, yeah, I'm not a
41:49
football gun. I'm sorry, but I originally got
41:50
into baseball, obviously. But yeah, tech tech talked me a
41:53
lot and not what's cool too is that my GA Delta State was was a
41:58
big one to make this well, because I went from having all
42:01
the tech in the world, all the tech on the world, all the tech
42:03
in the world can and to having just a squat, no tech
42:07
whatsoever. Now when I was like, I had to
42:09
learn how to cap and I like only tech I had with my phone.
42:13
So I had to learn how to figure out things I had to learn.
42:15
Like we had bands that were broken.
42:17
You didn't have full band. We had a few of them and just
42:20
got to learn how to figure out what you wanted and then try to
42:23
go makeshift and or do it. And then that was $1.00 that
42:27
came straight off the back to it like, oh hell, what we got to do
42:29
spot squad LDL football and the tricks makes you be out that
42:32
long. I'm like that was a big that was
42:34
a big, a big learning curve for me as well.
42:35
And outside of that, every year at overview, I think a pretty
42:38
big chapter, especially my first year, right?
42:40
Like you went to Omaha. That was a lucky gamble for me.
42:43
Everybody's like, oh, you've been a big guy.
42:44
And if you're in sport long enough, I since he maybe has, I
42:48
don't know what two 5% play and how they operate, unless your
42:53
guys are combusting, like, I guess you're probably a bigger
42:56
piece. Once in Omaha and then I thought
42:59
I was the king of the world. And then following that you got
43:01
kicked in the teeth every single game, right?
43:03
So big contrast. That was a big chapter, but it's
43:05
also allowed me to evolve. It gave me the opportunity to
43:08
evolve. It's like what you said.
43:09
It's like you see my training stuff change every year.
43:12
Always, always trying to reevaluate.
43:15
Like I think asking question to yourself and good question to
43:19
yourself is like what pushes you forward?
43:22
Like, OK, yeah, I got this guy strong, but why like did you
43:25
actually make him stronger? Like, OK, you get track,
43:27
whatever. Why truly reverse engineer
43:29
everything you do and you start asking yourself questions that
43:32
you can't answer. Then that's when you start
43:34
understanding a little bit more of like, why do I do stuff like
43:37
why is they actually pushing me close to my goal?
43:40
It's like what we talked about earlier of the relationship is
43:42
working. Want more physical guy?
43:45
You actually want more physical guy or do you think that's the
43:47
illusion of what you're wanting because it looks better, it
43:50
looks better on the roster and they look physically fit.
43:53
A Puerto Rican builder 165, football 475 and throwing 96 on
43:58
the map. I've got not very physical to
44:00
use the energy pretty damn well. So it's understanding that stuff
44:03
and then you get to those questions by asking why, like
44:06
being able to pull the layers of the onion back and understanding
44:09
what you're truly doing. To be honest, there should be a
44:11
chapter every year like at the at the end of this year, I'm
44:14
going to look back. I'm all fucked down like damn, I
44:17
could have done this a lot better.
44:18
I had a bad lip the other day and I pulled my Georgia after I
44:21
pulled cooled off a little bit like my clothes dog walk because
44:25
I put out a new block. I was like, oh, we're going to
44:27
do this. That's not these guys going to
44:28
this this guy and my brain operated efficient and then I
44:32
got out here. I'm like, this is absolute dog
44:34
body. I've lost control XYZ, but then
44:37
that's part of learning and I I've always been a prideful guy
44:41
on like environment efficiency and effect.
44:45
I was like lost my environment, lost my efficiency.
44:47
Like what was the effect? I was 3 red black that passed
44:49
lit and it pissed me off in the office cooled off a little bit
44:52
and I got my GE and I was like, Hey, do you under?
44:54
How did you perceive that? Looks good.
44:56
He's Oh, I thought it was pretty good and I had to educate a
44:58
little bit. I'm like, why?
44:59
What's it? Yeah, it looks good.
45:01
Sick. Don't care what we'll say about
45:03
how it runs, how it operates and how it gets the goals and put up
45:06
that issue. But it's the learning stuff.
45:08
Like I'm still doing it and I've been in the field for a little
45:11
bit now. But if you're not not re
45:13
evaluating stuff then how are you going to get a new chapter
45:16
and how are you? Going to go.
45:17
That was really freaking good, man.
45:19
The really good stuff there. What, and as we look at the the
45:24
upcoming chapters, like what do you need to learn now that you
45:28
you don't know right now I need to be a salesman.
45:31
Salesman. Yeah.
45:31
I knew I knew how to sell stuff a little bit better then to.
45:35
Coaches or all the above to. Admin to coaches rather than
45:40
just going up to somebody and be like, hey, I need about $30,000.
45:43
But yeah, it's it's all communicate stuff.
45:45
I think. I'm sure it's somebody that
45:47
might listen to this guy. I need to work on it.
45:49
So it hadn't been my let's do it.
45:50
Oh, he was off, pumpkin. I think communication better.
45:53
I need to learn to Polish a lot of stuff.
45:55
But outside of that, it's just roll with it every year trying
45:59
to figure out how I can better stuff, creating more positions
46:02
here, trying to get my guys paid more.
46:04
I'm trying to end the whole I say this I'm trying to end a
46:08
whole I'm going to take a job at $30,000 and I'm a 20 year 2 year
46:13
old. I have some have a house dealt
46:15
value which I did it not saying it's wrong.
46:17
I was going to go to UCLA for $35,000 with the Fox but I think
46:21
those times are coming to the end.
46:23
Why? Because internships are getting
46:24
better interns you're getting hired as full time drop now
46:27
they're skipping and some of them actually good like I've
46:29
talked to a few into the incredible question.
46:33
Another guy was that you on another one that clumsy and
46:36
they're probably gonna shoot for full times up now some older
46:39
strength that you got. Oh yeah you know earn your image
46:41
stretch go get $27,000 but like moving forward especially with
46:47
it and I'll put a line towards like hey this is the baseline.
46:50
We do not operate like that. However, it has to happen
46:52
because top and top now close to top and I think working the
46:58
whole 14 hours, 12 hours things cool and all.
47:00
There better be a reason why there'll be some days like I
47:03
pull off a 12 hour piece, 14 hour piece for probably because
47:06
I'm pissed off with something that worked where I did.
47:08
But that is not me kind of guard my death.
47:09
That is me trying to evolve. All right, but I think that
47:13
change needs to happen. That's higher phone on my online
47:16
stuff. But yeah, communication involved
47:20
in the department makes the stuff a little better and
47:22
hopefully in five years we looked up and then Tech states
47:25
up there with Clemson TC and. Yeah, I love it.
47:28
I love it. You meant, you know, we
47:30
mentioned a little bit about, you know, going going to Omaha
47:33
that first year there at ORU. What do you feel like has to
47:37
come together for a mid major small, smaller program like an
47:41
Oral Roberts to make it and compete and even win, you know,
47:45
win a game there in Omaha and be able to compete with the the
47:48
biggest of, you know, elite of the elite in terms of, of
47:51
programs like what what are the type of players are coming
47:54
together? Like what qualities in there?
47:55
Like how's the staff bringing that whole team together?
47:57
What, what, what all goes into making that happen?
47:59
Obviously a little bit of, you know, luck and and you know, the
48:03
right things fall into place at the same time, but.
48:05
You got to have the best players on the field.
48:08
That's your SEC part. You need staff.
48:10
You got to have a good developmental staff relationship
48:14
too back with sports sports, I got to have a good hand coach,
48:18
got to have a good inter coach and people that are in the work.
48:22
Outside of that, it comes down to players, right?
48:24
However, I feel like if you haven't really good staff, not
48:26
track the right players depending on what their pitches
48:28
and relationship culture that year.
48:30
I think about this still, we had a bunch of older guys that were
48:33
developed at or you for about four years and then we had some
48:37
transfers that were second string guys or split time guys
48:41
that were really good from power for school that wanted to play
48:44
baseball and coming over there, they bumped me.
48:46
They're not play baseball. What they did, however, all of
48:49
them were none of them were flashy.
48:51
None of them, none of them were highlighters, adding gloves.
48:55
They're all dirt bags. They all worked hard.
48:57
I always talk about like, are you gas station ready?
48:59
I tell my guys, hey, gas station ready.
49:02
If I'm at a gas station at 3:00 AM pumping, pumping gas and bad
49:06
stuff goes down at my my wanted to compete right then and there.
49:10
Every single one of those guys, if they were got in a bar fight,
49:12
you would have fought 38 guys. There was no quicks.
49:14
There were no there was no little clans or anything like
49:17
that. They all operated one and they
49:19
all held each other accountable. Like everybody talked and
49:23
shirked to each other when they made ears.
49:25
And it was the full squad. So it wasn't just like, hey, you
49:28
had one. Yes, we had a leader with Jake
49:32
Nick, but a little shout out which he was an English leader,
49:37
but outside of that. But if you had your shortstop
49:39
Mack across, he coming in and he barely talks and he rips your
49:43
ass in the dugout when he barely said, I don't know, 40 words
49:46
there in a game in the past 12 games.
49:50
You know, you're you're you're getting ripped, You know, I
49:53
mean, but that holds weight and the whole team operated like
49:55
that and they they held the standard and there was no
49:58
breaking in the stand. And that's just how you operate.
50:01
It was it was cool experiences. It was a unique experience and
50:05
they trusted the staff. I think that's another big key
50:08
boost to where those athletes like I remember I could have
50:11
pulled if you start Titans shoot forward and back 20 times and
50:15
he's going to run faster. He would kind of do it and he's
50:18
going to do it to the fashion builder could do truly actually,
50:20
but we did that. And I think that's another big
50:24
factor. So it's your culture, it's your
50:26
support staff, it's your, your, your sports staff is asking to
50:29
bring in and whether or not they mess because the meshing part
50:32
is, is big because if you mesh, you don't need a leader because
50:34
the whole squad is and they all hold each other accountable, not
50:39
just one. Thing no, I love it that that's
50:41
really cool man, this this been really cool conversation.
50:45
Really cool to hear just the way you're evolving, the way you're
50:47
growing both and your training as a as a leader, as a director,
50:52
just just so many ways, man. And it's awesome.
50:55
And you know, you lately before before, like you kind of in your
50:58
bubble and and you know, I think in terms of senior or use like,
51:02
Hey, you like I know I can fully trust he's going to do
51:04
absolutely incredible job with his teams.
51:07
Like you didn't have to worry about it all.
51:08
Like he's elite and strength coach and you really are lately,
51:12
I said, but I think you're the one of the best, best strength
51:14
as one of the smartest guys I know.
51:16
But it's really cool to see just the the growth you have in
51:18
another area, the growth with your family, the growth as a
51:20
director and just just the way you continue to evolve in, in
51:23
multiple aspects right now. Yeah, I appreciate that means a
51:26
lot. You're about to man.
51:27
No Jumble is about to have a cool 2.
51:30
You have to go a little bit. He's about to learn what being
51:32
tired is. Tell you what.
51:34
Oh. Yeah, yeah.
51:36
You know, if people, if people wanted to check out, you know
51:39
some of your training, what you're doing or maybe get in
51:42
touch with you, what's the best place for them to go to?
51:45
You found my e-mail directory. I got Instagram kilos.
51:48
KILOS want to say it's under score at Neilo or Kilos No kilos
51:53
under score with Neilo WITH and then NIOO not on there as much.
51:58
People have actually got a couple of technicians that hey
52:00
dude, we, we've gone. I don't post very much in my
52:03
post all the time gotten busy, believe it or not.
52:06
But yeah, you DM me. I was trying to make make effort
52:09
to try to reach out to you, especially the younger cats,
52:11
because I've been blown off a couple times in my time back
52:14
when I was younger, the internship days, I refused to do
52:16
that. I refused to let that happen.
52:18
I always try to find time. I might respond late 2 weeks
52:21
later, but I will respond. But yeah, also got Twitter.
52:25
Nilo Andrew. I get on there less than I do
52:27
Instagram, but damn, now I'll probably get back.
52:30
Well, thank you again for man doing this.
52:31
This was great. Go check out what he's doing,
52:33
even if it's some of his older stuff too.
52:35
Some of his newer stuff he's not posted as much, but he's got
52:37
great stuff on there. But appreciate you being on
52:39
here. Man, yeah, I appreciate you.
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