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In Conversation: Aunty Munya Andrews and Carla Rogers from Evolve Communities · She's On The Money

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the Podcast
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  Speaker 1: Millennials who Want Financial Freedom. I'd like to make space
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  Speaker 1: for Auntie Manya Andrews to give an acknowledgment of country.
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  Speaker 2: Lunga man Lardi, nunger Man Lardi Amba, nunger Man Lardi, Oran,
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  Speaker 2: Nunga man Lardi, Umbora, Newboroh, Nunga man Lardi, Waddy Waddy
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  Speaker 2: Darawa Boro. We say hello, Nunga man Lardi, and we
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge all the traditional owners right across Australia. We say
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  Speaker 2: Lungermen Ladi Mbora, Newborow and of course acknowledge the Wady
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  Speaker 2: Waddy people of the Darawah nation where we live and work.
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  Speaker 3: So Nunga man Lardi, She's on the money. She's on
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  Speaker 3: the money.
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  Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the Podcast
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  Speaker 4: for Millennials who want Financial Freedom.
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  Speaker 5: This week we are breaking the bias and we.
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  Speaker 4: Are throwing out all of our regular programmed episodes to
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  Speaker 4: really embrace International Women's Day, which as a team we
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  Speaker 4: are now calling International Women's wik Today we are going
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  Speaker 4: to be joined by Auntie Manya Andrews and Karla Rodgers,
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  Speaker 4: who are the living embodiment of this year's International Women's
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  Speaker 4: Day theme breaking the Bias.
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  Speaker 1: We're the founders of Evolve Communities and you might have
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  Speaker 1: seen Auntie Manya floating around in her Ask Auntie video
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  Speaker 1: series where she works really hard to share some cultural
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  Speaker 1: insights that we might not be privy to you and
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  Speaker 1: to educate in the space of allyship.
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  Speaker 4: Auntie Manya and Carla share a belief that absolutely everyone
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  Speaker 4: has a value and that all people have wisdom to offer.
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  Speaker 4: Their work is all about spotlighting the unique wisdom indigenous
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  Speaker 4: culture has to offer, and we are so privileged to
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  Speaker 4: have them on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to chat today a little bit about your
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  Speaker 1: incredible work with Evolved Communities in the space of cultural
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  Speaker 1: awarenes and training, but also to learn a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about you to as business women, because I think you've
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  Speaker 1: really built on this incredible dynamic and serviced a real
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  Speaker 1: need I think that is out there. So I'm really
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  Speaker 1: really thrilled to chat to you about that a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess to get started, could you tell us
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  Speaker 1: how you guys met and how this all initially developed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we first met eleven years ago now ten
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  Speaker 2: eleven years ago up in the Gulf Country. Of Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: Karla was doing a project. I was invited on to
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  Speaker 2: be part of the team and through our discussions with
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  Speaker 2: one another, we realized that actually we shared a number
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  Speaker 2: of common values. One was about respecting all views and
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  Speaker 2: that everybody has something to contribute and also broader visionalists
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  Speaker 2: to create a more inclusive kind of Australia. So we
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  Speaker 2: got chatting about then what can we do to to
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  Speaker 2: go about creation that It.
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  Speaker 6: Was funny because Auntie Manya was a We had a
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  Speaker 6: last minute scratching in that project and someone said, oh
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  Speaker 6: I know this amazing woman that would be great and
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  Speaker 6: Auntie Manya came in and ended up being co lead
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  Speaker 6: on that project. And then probably fast forward about five
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  Speaker 6: years when we Auntie Manya had been working with us
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  Speaker 6: quite a lot, we decided we want to achieve this
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  Speaker 6: as Aneimnya said, a kind of more inclusive Australia and
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  Speaker 6: how are we going to do that? And we thought, well,
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  Speaker 6: it's through our ship we need. You know, we had
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  Speaker 6: a big, bold vision of having ten million more allies
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  Speaker 6: across Australia and then we thought well, okay, that's wonderful,
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  Speaker 6: but then how are we going to do that? And
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  Speaker 6: that's when Auntie Manya came into the business as as
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  Speaker 6: co director and we really really sat down and scratched
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  Speaker 6: our heads and it developed all the programs that we
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  Speaker 6: have now, which are very much, very practical and focused
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  Speaker 6: on ollyship.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible, and we're going to talk a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: about those different programs that you offer a little bit
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  Speaker 1: later in the show, I believe.
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  Speaker 4: But first I would love to know a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more about evolved communities. You mentioned that you came together obviously,
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  Speaker 4: Carla you started it and then Anti Money you joined it.
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  Speaker 4: It started in two thousand and five by you, Carla,
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  Speaker 4: which was a fair while ago.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was showing how always anymore. And again there's
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  Speaker 7: lots of funny stories about that.
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  Speaker 6: I was actually living in a coastal village and the
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  Speaker 6: far south coast of New South Wales, and I actually
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  Speaker 6: ran webinars when they first came out, and I ran
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  Speaker 6: what was called a Leading Lights series and I used
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  Speaker 6: to interview it was in the space of community engagement
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  Speaker 6: and facilitation, and I interviewed Leading Lights in that space
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  Speaker 6: and yeah.
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  Speaker 7: From a garage in Naruma.
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  Speaker 6: And I just remember one time I think I had
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  Speaker 6: about and it was in I think, I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: it was the days of go to meeting or something
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  Speaker 6: like that we're using. And I remember having seen about
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  Speaker 6: four hundred odd people from across the globe joining to
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  Speaker 6: this call, and then I heard.
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  Speaker 7: The whipper snipper start.
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  Speaker 5: That is all too common.
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  Speaker 6: All of a sudden, I saw these four hundred people
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  Speaker 6: like popping off a perch, drop off the line as
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  Speaker 6: the as the whipper snipper man cut the cut the line.
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  Speaker 6: I know in those days it would have been a
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  Speaker 6: telephone line.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, anyone who's been working from
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  Speaker 1: home over the course of the pandemic would be all
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  Speaker 1: too familiar with the neighbor out the back mulling in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of a meeting. But cutting the line is
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  Speaker 1: arguably a little bit worse.
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  Speaker 7: That was next level.
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  Speaker 6: And I just people's perception of probably the business and
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  Speaker 6: me at the time, was you know, I was in
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  Speaker 6: this fancy studio and had all this tech and it
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  Speaker 6: was just a probably a little laptop in it in
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  Speaker 6: a garage.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's how she's on the money. Started me
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  Speaker 4: with a microphone. My laptop, do not on the table,
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  Speaker 4: because I heard that you needed to be really mindful
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  Speaker 4: of sound reverberation, and it got to a point where
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  Speaker 4: I did have a Dona over my head. So we
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  Speaker 4: all start somewhere, my friends, and I feel like that's
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  Speaker 4: part of the journey.
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  Speaker 5: It's part of the fun.
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  Speaker 4: And I think one of my favorite things about She's
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  Speaker 4: on the Money is looking back on where we've come from.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm sure you guys are the same because you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned webinars and now you have this absolutely gorgeous breadth
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  Speaker 4: of offerings that you put on the table. But you
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  Speaker 4: were probably a little bit more well known and this
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  Speaker 4: is where we discovered you on LinkedIn from your Auntie
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  Speaker 4: Manya video series. How did that become a thing? How
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  Speaker 4: did you light that up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we always had that as when we did face
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  Speaker 2: to face training. We also had a Q and a
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  Speaker 2: session that I called Dear Abby at the time, where
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  Speaker 2: people were free to ask me any questions at all,
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  Speaker 2: and so it was a natural sort of adaptation of
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  Speaker 2: that that as we started to branch out more online
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  Speaker 2: and have an online presence, we decided to have it
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  Speaker 2: ask Auntie section and so that's how that developed, and
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  Speaker 2: that's proving to be very popular because it's where people
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  Speaker 2: can ask questions quite freely, not be worried about being
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  Speaker 2: judged when we have a philosophy that says there's no
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  Speaker 2: such thing as a silly question, because how will you
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  Speaker 2: know otherwise if you don't feel that you can ask
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  Speaker 2: any questions. So nothing's off limits at all. We welcome
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  Speaker 2: all questions and just proving to be very popular.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, and we've been doing it for a long time,
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  Speaker 6: so we did do it well before. You can't ask
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  Speaker 6: that TV program and we were about to launch and
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  Speaker 6: ask Ali or ask an ally as well. But Andi
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  Speaker 6: Manya has a great story about our philosophy of how
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  Speaker 6: you can ask anything.
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  Speaker 7: Anti Manya.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always tell people, you know, I've been doing
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  Speaker 2: this for a long time now, so I've heard pretty
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  Speaker 2: much all there is to ask about Indigenous people and
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  Speaker 2: indigenous culture. But every now and then there's a question
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  Speaker 2: that comes from left field. Like one time I was
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  Speaker 2: doing this in front of high school students, gosh, probably
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  Speaker 2: thirty five years ago, Oh my gosh, and one young
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  Speaker 2: fellow put up his hand and I go, yes, what
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  Speaker 2: would you like to know? And he goes, I want
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  Speaker 2: to know how come all Aboriginal people drive valiants? And
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  Speaker 2: I had to chuckle then as I do now still
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  Speaker 2: recalling the story, and I said, well, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Indigenous community is diversus and we drive a range of cars.
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  Speaker 2: I happen to drive an MGB sports car because I
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  Speaker 2: have a passion for those cars. Anyway, I was doing
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  Speaker 2: this with an older Nunga woman, Nunga being the name
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  Speaker 2: for the people in the Perth region and the southwest
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  Speaker 2: of WA and she said to me afterwards, oh, thank
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  Speaker 2: god you got that question. And I said why and
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  Speaker 2: she goes, because I drive a Valiant to prove the stereotype.
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  Speaker 4: But I think they're One thing that I feel like
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  Speaker 4: is really special about the Ask Auntie series is that
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  Speaker 4: not only do you do this and you say that
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  Speaker 4: you are, you know, creating their space to ask these questions,
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  Speaker 4: but you've genuinely created a space that people feel.
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  Speaker 5: Safe to do so as well.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a yeah, you can ask anything, but you're
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  Speaker 4: actually exuding like just this feeling of safety to learn
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  Speaker 4: and to grow and to be better people. And I
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  Speaker 4: just want to know a bit about you know, you've
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  Speaker 4: obviously brought it together so that we can learn and
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  Speaker 4: create together, but are their challenges with that and online
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  Speaker 4: in that I guess transferring over to you know, people
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  Speaker 4: feeling safe to ask those questions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've found actually that it's amazing that people have
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  Speaker 2: a sit to Color just the other day that all
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  Speaker 2: the comments people are saying, jeez, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: so open and I feel safe with asking you these questions.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's transferring over to them in the cyber world,
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  Speaker 2: and that's pretty amazing that they can pick up on
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  Speaker 2: that because that's one of the values, isn't it color?
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  Speaker 2: For us cultural safety? How important it is for people
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  Speaker 2: to feel free to express themselves in any way. We're
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  Speaker 2: really mindful of that and that's always in our minds
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  Speaker 2: whenever we're teaching or training.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's very intentional. So you know, Anti Mania has
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  Speaker 6: has this presence and demeanor that people do feel safe,
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  Speaker 6: and then we've my background is in designing spaces for
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  Speaker 6: people to share and collaborate, and so we are very
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  Speaker 6: intentional about creating that safety. And one of our key
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  Speaker 6: messages is there's no place for shame or guilt, and
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  Speaker 6: particularly as Anti Monya says, everyone has wisdom to offer
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  Speaker 6: and we value everyone. So we do spend a lot
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  Speaker 6: of time being intentional about that. Well, how do we
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  Speaker 6: create that? And as Anti Monyu was saying, we have
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  Speaker 6: we're very values based. We've got three key values. One
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  Speaker 6: is kindness in kindredness and that's all about kinship, and
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  Speaker 6: we treat everyone as family in a without not in
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  Speaker 6: a cultish way, in a way that's right, fun in creativity,
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  Speaker 6: so we like for all of our spaces to be
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  Speaker 6: very creative. And the third one is walking our talk.
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  Speaker 6: So Auntie Manyo and I invite people to pull us
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  Speaker 6: up if we're not walking our talk, walking our VABs,
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  Speaker 6: but everything that we do is designed to walk our talk.
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  Speaker 7: Basically incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the sense of warmth, as you said,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely does translate because I'm a big fan from LinkedIn,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I think that there's something really comforting and familial,
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  Speaker 1: as you said about those videos when you talk and
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  Speaker 1: you share and you are really open. But we spoke,
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  Speaker 1: we've had a chat with you before today, and we
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  Speaker 1: spoke a little bit about the burden of education and
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  Speaker 1: that as much as you're putting yourself out there and
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  Speaker 1: you're providing these resources, the burden of education shouldn't always
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  Speaker 1: be on people of color and on women of color,
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  Speaker 1: particularly because that's what we see happening a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: this year's International Women's Day theme is break the Bias,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes you see that people put that recon responsibility
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  Speaker 1: back on the people who are trying to do that work,
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  Speaker 1: which is just not fair. And I'd love to know
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  Speaker 1: how you strike that balance between being educational, helping literally
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  Speaker 1: shift the needle on these issues without taking too much
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  Speaker 1: away from yourselves and taking that responsibility on so deeply
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  Speaker 1: that it then impacts you.
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  Speaker 7: It's a great question, and there's a few layers in that.
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  Speaker 7: I probably start at.
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  Speaker 6: The simplest layer, and that's where I come in as
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  Speaker 6: a non Indigenous person in Australia. If you think put
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  Speaker 6: yourself in a room now and imagine yourself in a
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  Speaker 6: room of thirty people, statistically only one of those people
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  Speaker 6: will be Aboriginal trial Strada Islander in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Which is not a lot, is it?
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  Speaker 1: When you think that, you know there's such significant communities
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  Speaker 1: that have been here longer than anybody else, that statistic
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  Speaker 1: is quite shocking.
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  Speaker 7: That's right, Jess.
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  Speaker 6: And when you talk about the burden, you know, I've
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  Speaker 6: been very lucky in my career to pretty much always
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  Speaker 6: work with Aboriginal people and communities. And my observation is
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  Speaker 6: that I could clock off at five pm, but my
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  Speaker 6: Aboriginal colleagues couldn't.
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  Speaker 7: It's twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 6: Like their obligations to community there, particularly if they're working
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  Speaker 6: in a space that delivers services, for example, or to
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  Speaker 6: Aboriginal communities, they don't.
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  Speaker 7: Clock off at five o'clock.
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  Speaker 6: So when we're talking about creating a kind of and
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  Speaker 6: more inclusive Australia and reconciliation, and this is where the
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  Speaker 6: twenty nine of us in that room, people like myself
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  Speaker 6: come into play.
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  Speaker 7: Is it's us.
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  Speaker 6: The theme I think for NATOT Week this year is
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  Speaker 6: show up and stand up.
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  Speaker 7: And there's one more.
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  Speaker 6: I can't think of it right now, but you know
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  Speaker 6: it's up to us to show up and stand up
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  Speaker 6: and learn what we need to know for reconciliation and
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  Speaker 6: for allyship. And then we can't keep going to the
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  Speaker 6: anti monuals of the world, who are already very burdened,
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  Speaker 6: you know, saying feed me, feed me like, t me,
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  Speaker 6: teach me like. So it's very fantastic to want to
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  Speaker 6: learn learn more. And then also there's such a rich
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  Speaker 6: content that's already on TV and books and so make
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  Speaker 6: sure that you're also engaging with all of that material
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  Speaker 6: as well anti money. What do you think with that question?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about sharing the burden. That makes it easier
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  Speaker 2: on many Indigenous people who are a really trying to educate.
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  Speaker 2: But it's also a two way learning process as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's for us to learn about other people as well,
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  Speaker 2: and that helps us in our lives. It's a fine
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  Speaker 2: balance really maintaining all of that and with the training.
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  Speaker 6: So and that other layer of your question about us personally,
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  Speaker 6: and this is, I guess you know this fabulous on
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  Speaker 6: the Money podcast and things like that, is we're looking
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  Speaker 6: to grow allies and you know for everyone that we're
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  Speaker 6: connecting with today was again without something like a cult,
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  Speaker 6: but it's.
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  Speaker 7: Like, yeah, it's excusing, let's get on board.
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  Speaker 2: And it was something that one of our allies having
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  Speaker 2: gone through. Now we've had an accreditation course since October
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  Speaker 2: last year. Last year and one of the participants said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's great to be part.
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  Speaker 7: Of a movement.
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  Speaker 2: No one, Yeah, a movement. I didn't realize we were
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  Speaker 2: creating that, but yes we are. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you did, you totally did. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned before that obviously you've got your Ask Auntie video series,
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  Speaker 4: and before Carli you said that you were going to
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  Speaker 4: start and Ask Ally series, which I think is so exciting.
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  Speaker 4: But I think we need to take a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of a step back. Can you explain to us and
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  Speaker 4: to our community exactly why allyship is just so important
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  Speaker 4: and why we really need to be embracing this.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So, I guess the simplest answer to that is is
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  Speaker 6: that around that one in thirty, you know, only three
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  Speaker 6: percent of the population is at bridgel Intrestralander. And we
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  Speaker 6: have a framework in the way that we teach. We
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  Speaker 6: at the seven steps and these are the seven basic
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  Speaker 6: building blocks we feel that everyone needs to know to
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  Speaker 6: increase their confidence to be in our eye. I think
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  Speaker 6: a response to this, which is always so touching, is
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  Speaker 6: you know when we ask Auntie manya like, how does
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  Speaker 6: she feel when she sees like? For example, in two thousands,
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  Speaker 6: many of your listeners might be too young to remember this, but.
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  Speaker 7: Your parents might have anticipated.
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  Speaker 6: But in two thousand when Kathy Freeman when the Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But in that same year there was a walk across
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  Speaker 6: the Harper Bridge for reconciliation and over two hundred and
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  Speaker 6: fifty thousand people walked across the bridge to show of
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  Speaker 6: support and say, Auntie.
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  Speaker 7: Manya, how did you feel. I know you weren't there,
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  Speaker 7: but how did you feel when you saw that? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: It was just one of the most powerful images in
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  Speaker 2: our history color And when I saw all those people
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  Speaker 2: walking across the bridge, I remember thinking at the time, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my god, you know they care, and I haven't realized
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  Speaker 2: just how many people cared. So that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that really struck me. It makes me quite emotional
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  Speaker 2: just recalling that now, but that's how I felt at
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  Speaker 2: the time, and I felt very hopeful for this country
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  Speaker 2: and where we were going together. If that many people
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  Speaker 2: could get on that bridge and show that commitment and
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  Speaker 2: walk together, it was just so promising. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was very moved by it.
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  Speaker 7: And Auntie my news, she's cheering up. O.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we won't tell you how many people listen to
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  Speaker 4: the podcast, because I guess the aim of this is
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  Speaker 4: to create an even bigger community of allies and you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: bring the community to you, so hopefully we can convince
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: some of them to also be on that journey with us,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: because it is really moving to.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: Know people care like we care. We care deeply.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: But we need to know how to support that as well,
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: because I believe deeply that it's one thing to say
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: we care, and you said before that's one of your
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: core values. Your third value you with walking your talk.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: And we can talk about this all the time, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: can you talk us through what we can actually do?
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: How can we have impact? How can we support these communities?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Because you can only pour from a cup so much
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: right before it's empty, how do we help keep yours full?
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I think too, it's you know, the question about why
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: were we drawn to the allyship concept, because that's all
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: about taking action Because where that movement came out of
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it was about not just calling yourself an ally, but
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what are you doing about it? And that really appealed
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to us because that's about saying to people, great, we
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: know you care and that, but what can you do
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: even on a daily basis. And we actually have some
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: tips around being an ally and they include things like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: you know, listen and do your homework, not speaking over
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: standing up for people, but not speaking over the voices
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and what are the other ones called?
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: It's just our ally is a verb, So it's all
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: about action, as anti Monya said, and learning from your
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: mistakes is a big part of it. And another aspect
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: which was kind of really I had to think about
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: this a lot, but allyship is about your impact, not
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: your intent, so being mindful of the impact. But we
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: provide really simple ways and suggestions all the time throughout
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: different social media and everything about like, for example, on
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: the twenty sixth of January, five simple things you can
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: do to be in Ally You know, we do basically
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: do this sort of every month, and there's a massive
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: appetite for it. So probably even from my own story
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: in terms of walking out talk my ancestors were actually
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: one of my ancestors was on the first fleet and
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: actually his offspring came and invaded the area that I'm
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: now returned to and consider home as well. But I
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: just remember as a kid wandering through the bush in
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: Sydney actually just having a real craving for an aboriginal friend.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: And so that's where my journey began. And I was
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: always probably been a little bit different. I used to
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: have an awareness of the old people or the spirits
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: and talk to them in the bush. But I just
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: I thought I was so conscious that I didn't have
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: an aboriginal friend and then I came down the coast
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: and went to a school and I got so excited
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: when they said we were going to be singing a
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: song about Aboriginal children. And it turned out to be
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: the song as it was called five Little pick in His,
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: which is actually is actually a North American song and
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: was a racial pickaninny at that time was a racial slur.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: So I call it Terrannalius, which is land belonging to nobody,
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: which you know, Australia was incorrectly declared as I call
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: it Terranalius of my schooling, and so that desire to
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: connect with an Aboriginal person went with me the whole way,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: and I probably finally did get my first Aboriginal friend
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: in my early t is. But we still get a
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: lot of people coming to us with this burning desire
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: as well, but being really frightened and scared of saying
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: that doing the wrong thing. So we need allies because
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: there's a massive gap in Australia. You know, there's the
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Closing the Gap program. Aboriginal people still live up to
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: ten years shorter lives, poorer health, poorer economic outcomes, you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: double the suicide rate, the incarceration rates. But then on
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: another side, and Anti Manya might want to talk more
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: about this. There's so much we have to learn from
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: indigenous wisdom and embracing Aboriginal people and culture, and we
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: can't move forward as a nation until we do that.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: And Anti Manya, like Anti Manya, has written a book
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: about Aboriginal spirituality.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Auntie Manya, Yeah, I wrote it on Aboriginal dream time,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: because that's one of the most popular questions we get
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: asked all the time is what's dream time? Can you
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: explain what dream time is? And so I wrote a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: book explaining our spirituality that's available for people to find
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: out more. And people are saying things like, wow, that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a really easy explanation. I really get it, and they
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: love the way that I wrote in a very simple
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: manner for the wider Australian audience, so that it's about
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: getting this kind of information and knowledge out to people
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and not having it as this mysterious thing that you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: don't understand at all, but that most people can relate to.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And of course I'm also interested in comparative religions if
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you like, and so I wrote it from that perspective
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: as well, looking at basic religious concepts that are understood
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: in other cultures, so that people could understand average on
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: dream time.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, one of my earliest memories is going
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to a museum actually, and there was an exhibit on
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: dream time and there were all of these beautiful, beautiful
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: artworks that spanned the length of the room, and I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: remember being so enamored by those storyes and the way
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that storytelling is such an intrinsic part of your culture.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I can totally understand why people are fascinated because it
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: really captured me as a child, and it's something that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: as an adult I still find so interesting and so
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: engaging the name of your book and where can people
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: get it? Because I think that a lot of people
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: listening will also share that interest.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Well, the book on dream Time is called Journey into
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: dream Time, and it's available through pretty much everywhere.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: We've got in all the formats as well, Kindle and
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Audible and audible.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: You're everywhere.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: We'll make sure it's in the show notes so people
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: can click straight through to purchase it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like I want to read that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like it's just such a special I feel
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: like you're opening your community to share with us, which
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: is a privilege to be able to learn from you
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and share it with you, because, as Jess was saying before,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: like education is burden to educate us as people who
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: aren't in your community, like you don't owe us that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: and it's so special that you extend that opportunity for
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: us to learn. And I guess that's where your business
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: evolved communities has come from. And I would love to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: pivot into talking a little bit about the savvy business
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: women we are talking to today, because you've not only
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: created a business, but of thriving business like you work
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: with some of Australia's biggest organizations. Can you talk me
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: through how you came to start a business and knew
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: that it was a business, not just a hobby on
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: the side or not something you were just interested in pursuing.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a great question, I guess confession time now,
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: it was a hobby on the side for a long time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: So I actually I was very lucky.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: I was managing an Aboriginal section and World Heritage section
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: of National Parks for a long time, and I was
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: so lucky talking about amazing women. I was so lucky
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: to job share that role with it an incredible woman
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: and do that time. And for a long time I
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: had the business as a part time but it's something
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: really important to share that, you know, if you have
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: a dream, you don't necessarily always have to go in
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: boots and all.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: You can test the waters a bit.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: And you know, because I had a financial obligations that
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: had a daughter, and so I was able to keep
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: some of that financial stability, I guess. And then when
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: we joined forces, when Auntie Manya came on board, and
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: so that was twenty fourteen, I thought, right, I'm not
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: going to be able to take this any further as
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: a hobby.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: You know, this is the time to commit and Boots
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: and All.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And so we did go book Boots and All full
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: time and it's been fabulous doing that with Anti Manya.
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: I think it would be much harder doing alone. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: obviously I couldn't do what we're doing without Anti Manier's.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, but also we do it with a team. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: we ensured that we've got a good business coach and
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that we got good account that we've got people who
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: knew about the media and people who knew about marketing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: All of those things that we've learned about along the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: way people who know about information technology. So building this
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: team to support us as we went and growing absolutely.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: So we've invested a lot in our own education and
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: business education and marketing, and that's so we've gone through
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: different business coaching programs and our current business coach we've
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: been working with a few years now and he's developed
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: his team and so now our team is working with
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: his team, So we have different coaches for different things.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: So I think that's been critical for me and it
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: might be different for Anti Manya. This I always say,
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: there's one quote that Marian Radmaker is her name, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: that for me encapsulates the whole business journey. And it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: courage is not the line that raws. It's the little quiet,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: voicy each morning that gets up and says, I'll try again.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I love that quote.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You shared that with us last time we chatted, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it really stuck with me. I think because there are
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of small business owners in our community. It's
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: something that our community is super super passionate about, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: we are all about the side hustle, you know, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: carving and following your path. As you were saying, have
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: you found as women specifically starting your own business particularly
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: because you said it's been a long slog for you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and it hasn't always been a place that's been super
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: accepting of women as heads of businesses or change makers.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And have you faced any challenges you think because of that,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: particularly in the early days when you maybe didn't have
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the profile that you have now.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: For me, I've it doesn't matter what space I've been in.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: I've I haven't realized until hindsight when someone says later,
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: do you you did that really differently?
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: Or you whatever trailblaze there or something.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: But I guess that's been my whole approach to everything
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: that I do, is doing things quite differently but not
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: realizing it's different. But I guess doing whatever it takes to,
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: you know, have that vision, get to where you want
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: to get to. But the main thing for me has
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: been bringing other people along with me, how about you,
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Auntie Monieux.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: No, definitely about bringing along other people, learning from everyone else,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: that stuff about everybody has something to teach you and
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: being open to that and trying things in a new way.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: That's been a great challenge for us, and moving with
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the times and finding too that we're ahead of the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: times as well. You've color, you know, with your nomad
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: meetings in the early days before there was all of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: this meeting online or how that's now taken off, But
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you have that expertise that you brought in beforehand. And
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: so yeah, just about being open to change. But certainly
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the challenges are there all the time, but you just
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: keep plugging away at a bit bud bit and you
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: eventually do get there.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: And if you.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Believe in what your work is all about, if you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: believe fully wholeheartedly, it just happens because you make it happen.
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: And it is persistence, isn't it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: And we definitely have had challenges and find environments and
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: people that did believe in us.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: How do you do that?
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: Though?
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Like that sounds so simple when you put it that way,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: it sounds so eloquent and beautiful, but we all know
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: that that journey is not nearly as smooth as you've
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: just made it sound.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Like, how do you see your value?
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: I think it's just keep going back to the values
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: and that passion, the self care.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And valuing people and not being afraid to ask for
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: help when you do need help, because people do want
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to help when they's jump in and they people have
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: got great ideas and it's like finding your tribe, really,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and that's what we did. We found our tribe and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: some of that tribe of the members from that time,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: just from that time, and so we had all gone
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: through this together. It was like, well, how do we
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: all now support each other and relying on each other,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: supporting each other, growing all the way, and not competing
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: against each other as well.
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, collaborations a lot, So we collaborate a lot with
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: other businesses. But I'm like, thinking of all the women
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: that you have in your network starting businesses and so forth.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: It is you know, you get a feeling too of
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: people that you'll resonate with and connect with and contrast.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: And I think it's really trusting your gut around that
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: as well. But we've had lots of difficult experiences that
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: we've learned from it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: It's certainly not.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But it's also standing up for yourself too and not
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: allowing yourself to be used and abused or manipulated.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: I'm thinking in particular.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of our work involves copyright, our intellectual copyright
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and having to stand on our two feet firmly and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: say no, you can't use And this is why because
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: we've had one large government organization who practically wanted to steal.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: Our well they did.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: They send out our program and ask for other people
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: to tender on delivering it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: No the audacity that is heartbreaking, but it is so
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: inspiring to see that, as two women in business, you
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: are still able to see the value you bring to
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: the table when others aren't necessarily able to see that
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: as clearly as you can. I know that a lot
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: of people listening are going to be really inspired by that,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: and I do have a fair few questions for you,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: especially about you know what hurdles we still face as
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: a nation when it comes to reconciliation and how the
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: She's on the Money community can be a really good ally.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Right after this very quick break.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to this special episode of She's on the Money.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: We are celebrating International Women's Week, and Vidria and I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: are joined by Auntie Munya Andrews and Carla Rodgers from
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Evolved Communities, which is an organization that works to really
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: power and educate in the space of cultural awareness. And
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: we've been having a really great discussion around this and reconciliation.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: While we have come a long way, I think we
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: can all definitely acknowledge that there are many many ways
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to go. Still, how do you feel about the changes
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that you've seen and what can we do to lift
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: those voices up and really make a difference in that space,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: whether it's as an ally or as a member of
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the community.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel fantastic about some of the changes that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: we've seen and experienced along the way, because, as I say,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that gives me hope for the future. But we've noticed
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: a real change, haven't we, Carlo, especially in the last
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: five ten years, would you say, a real shift around
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the whole discussion around reconciliation and particularly focused on the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Australia Day. Just how even this year it was so
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: different from last year, the sorts of changes that we've seen.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, only Mona, I say the biggest change
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: I've actually seen is in the last year. Thinking for example,
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: last year in my local community, I was pretty devastated
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: to see they on the twenty sixth January they did
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: a flyover and they had the Australian flag and then
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: the discourse that was on the Facebook community page about
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: you know, wasn't it great to see that in our
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: proud people? And I thought I felt really sad. And
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: then this year, or partly because I imagine because the
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: government now has the copyright to the Aboriginal flag, but
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: this year they flew both the Australian and the Aboriginal flag,
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: and I noticed, for example, a change in that conversation
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: on this Facebook group that people were very positive about it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: And Auntie Manu in each year we do it like
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: a webinar, you know how you can be in our
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: life five simple things you can do on in the
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: twenty sixth of January, And this year for that one,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: we had about four hundred people joining to.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: So people are hungry for change's you can see it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It's totally shifting, and I think what you're doing is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a massive part of that, which the power of social
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: media I think is a big thing there.
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a privilege to be educated as well.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Like I grew up, I am, you know, very Caucasian,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and I grew up surrounded by other white people, so
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: growing up I had no idea about the history of
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: the twenty sixth of January and the education I received
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: at school. You hit the nail on the head earlier, Carla.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: You just feel a little bit like you didn't get
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: what you deserved when it came to an education in
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: this space, and it wasn't placed to me in the
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: way that it actually happened like it was an invasion.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: It wasn't, you know, this liberation that I had been
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you know, told it was. And I think that as
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I've been growing and learning and changing, like historically, yes,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I did celebrate it because I had no other education.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I didn't know any better, and now I do. I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: embarrassed to think that I didn't have that education and
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: that we weren't afforded the privilege of that knowledge earlier on.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: So hopefully as times changed, and you said over the
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: last year, you felt that change has been very imminent,
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: and I hope it's been a lot more aggressive, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: next year I hope that when we have a conversation
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: we catch up. You're saying, yeah, it's been even even bigger,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: like the changes have been even more embraced. But are
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: you finding that primary schools and younger children are starting
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: to embrace this so this becomes ingrained in us from
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: the beginning.
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  Speaker 7: Definitely.
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  Speaker 6: People are always shocked to learn that in New South Wales,
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  Speaker 6: for example, it was only twenty eighteen that an ancient
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  Speaker 6: Australia unit was introduced to high schools. But I think
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: primary schools are probably even more progressive and anti Mayne
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  Speaker 6: and I just went and spoke to a preschool the
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  Speaker 6: other week, and so it is changing. It is happening,
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  Speaker 6: and I think and we have a lot of parents
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  Speaker 6: tell us that they've learned so much from their children
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  Speaker 6: from school, and schools are incorporating acknowledgement of countries and
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  Speaker 6: yarning circles. I think for us now that there's still
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  Speaker 6: while we're being excited about the change that's happening and
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: some momentum, there is a long way to go. And
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  Speaker 6: I think it's all about personal responsibility for learning.
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  Speaker 7: And that's so easy.
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  Speaker 6: You don't need to you don't need to come to
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  Speaker 6: one of our programs or anything like that. You just
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: got to turn the TV on. You've got to pick
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: up a book. You know, it's so accessible and engaging.
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: The content that's out there, and if you haven't seen,
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: everyone should see rabbit Proof Fence, for example, about the
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: Stolen generation and the impact of the stolen generation. Watch
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Black Comedy is just to understand the differences in humor.
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  Speaker 6: Go to concerts pick up Uncle Archi Roach's autobiography where
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: he actually narrates his story himself and he's from the
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Stolen generation. There's just so many things that we can
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: do to self educate.
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  Speaker 2: And I think one of the biggest changes that I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to see and seeing beginning to see it increasingly
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  Speaker 2: more and more around Aboriginal languages. You know, why aren't
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal languages being taught in schools? Just through our allies,
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  Speaker 2: we noticed that when they give an acknowledgment of country,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them are including Aboriginal language in that
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  Speaker 2: and it's just fantastic to see because that's the next
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  Speaker 2: step I think, yeah, and we need to take.
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  Speaker 6: With this awareness, I'm hoping that we're then also able
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  Speaker 6: to have safe spaces for the harder conversations. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: an example of a book it's in the not in
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: the Australian context, but that is a harder conversation. But
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: I found so valuable to read was around white fragility
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  Speaker 6: and Robin DiAngelo's her name. And there's a recent book
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  Speaker 6: around nice Racist or something like that. But we need
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  Speaker 6: the spaces that me as a white, as a non
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  Speaker 6: Indigenous person, I can have that conversation and acknowledge how
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  Speaker 6: I guess our society is intrinsically just set up, that
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  Speaker 6: there is this big power differential that I benefit from
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  Speaker 6: and that my privilege has a big role to play.
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  Speaker 6: So the biggest thing I can do is one of
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: the biggest things I can do is now I is
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  Speaker 6: understand and be more aware of the privileges, the benefits,
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  Speaker 6: the opportunities I have that another person may have just
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  Speaker 6: because of the color of their skin.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible, And we'll have a blog post up actually with
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a rap of all of those really great resources that
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you just mentioned, along with some of our other personal favorites,
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  Speaker 1: because I think that's a great place for people to start.
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  Speaker 5: Anti manyatt Krla.
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  Speaker 4: I am in awe of what you've created with Evolve Communities.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: But what's next? What is Evolve community is doing next?
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, well, Auntie Manya, we when we're talking about books,
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: we have the book Practical Reconciliation, which you mentioned, and
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: then Auntie Maunya has.
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  Speaker 2: So I've written a new book on Aboriginal languages that's
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: going to be published by Mugabler Books next year, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it's called Can You Speak Google Burrah? A lot of
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: people don't realize they're not pronouncing the name properly because
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: we don't have that K or C sounds in our languages.
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  Speaker 2: It's pronounced closer to a G. So Google Burro is
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a correct pronunciation. And so I was saying to Carla,
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  Speaker 2: I really want to get an Aboriginal language program going
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  Speaker 2: through evolved communities where people can learn to speak an
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: indigenous language. So that's one of the places we're wanting
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to expand on.
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  Speaker 6: And we've written the children's version of Practical Reconciliation that
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  Speaker 6: it's the Adventures of Benji and Biscuit.
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  Speaker 7: Biscuit's a dog.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so we actually we're actually looking for a
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  Speaker 6: publisher for that at the moment. And we have a
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  Speaker 6: big dream, I guess of a not a university, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: like a central harbor, dreamtime harbor of information and for allies.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: And the biggest step for US now is growing our
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: team so that we have different accreditation programs. You can
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: become an ally accredited ally and then you can become
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: an assistant to run our programs, and then you could
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: become a facilitator of our programs. So Aunti Manya and
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: I particularly Auntie Manya had retired before COVID from delivery
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: of our programs and then COVID hit and we're back
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: in the hot seat for a couple of years. But
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: we would our model of delivery for leading our programs
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  Speaker 6: is also an ally model, so we have an Indigenous
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: and a non Indigenous person team posting our programs and
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: delivering our programs both. We're hoping both online and in person.
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: So that's the big next step part of our vision
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  Speaker 6: is to have this team across Australia and for their
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Aboriginal people so they don't have to leave country to
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: deliver our programs. So we're really excited about that.
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  Speaker 5: That is super exciting.
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  Speaker 4: I literally can't wait to follow that journey in watch
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: where you go, because I feel like you are absolutely
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: flourishing and you're in your peak and everything is it's
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: looking really beautiful from here. Last question before we wrap up,
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  Speaker 4: because I am very aware that I have taken a
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  Speaker 4: fair bit of your time, which I am very grateful for.
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  Speaker 5: Carla Anti Mania, how are you celebrating International Women's Day?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're celebrating an International Women's Day by attending
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: one of the events held in Cayama, and I'm one
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: of the speakers that will be speaking at International Women's Day.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Carl is coming along as well.
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  Speaker 6: And together we're running a workshop and both the speech
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: and the workshop are on the breaking the bias as
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: an ally. And this is I've come back to the
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: hometown Cimo I grew up and went to high school,
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: and so I've been involved in a group of amazing
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: women planning for this event. So we're super excited about
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: about the event and agenda. So usually we do speak
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: at something on International Women's Day, but it's a lovely
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: full circle for me coming back to the hometown and
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: doing something.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: That's so special.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And if anyone does want to check out Evolve Communities,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: all the incredible work that you guys are doing, the resources,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the courses, we cannot recommend them highly enough. We're huge,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: huge fans in this office and it's www. Dot evolved,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: dot com, dot au. They can find you on socials
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: as well, I believe yes.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: And one of the next things is also on what's
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: it called the TikTok.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, you're on tik talk.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: We're about to oh just going there.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that is gorgeous. I can't wait.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go follow you in advance so that
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: I get to see it first. Oh my gosh, Well,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: thank you both for joining us. It has been an
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: absolute privilege to share you both with our community, and
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: we know that this won't be the last interaction we
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: have with you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: Oh think, thank you Victoria and Jess. And I also
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: want to think, I so wish this program was around.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: And I'm you know, I'm not a millennial.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: I'm an excerpt, but I'm definitely learning from your program.
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: And financial literacy is just such an important thing, isn't it?
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: Absolutely and something we also try to teach and share
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: in with Aboriginal communities. We ask a question when we
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: do the Privilege Walk and we're looking at the role
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: of privilege, we asked the question, if you had someone
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: teach you how to get a bank account, how to
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: you know?
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: Because that actually is a privilege.
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  Speaker 4: I one hundred percent, And it's something that we so
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: easily overlook, like we might think it's small, but it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: absolutely not. That the foundational skills that so many people
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: miss out on. And as always, just before we head off,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: we'd like to acknowledge and pay respect to Australia's Aboriginal
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: and torrest Right Islander People's. They're the traditional Castordians of
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: the lands, the waterways and the skies all across Australia.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: We thank you for sharing and for caring for the land.
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  Speaker 5: On which we are able to learn.
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  Speaker 4: We pay our respects to elders past and present, and
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: we share our friendship and our kindness.
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