Latest / The Dr. Psych Mom Show with clinical psychologist Dr. Samantha Rodman Whiten / Does Drinking "Not Really" Impact You?
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- 0:05Hi everybody, and welcome to the dr.
- 0:07Psych mom show, today, I'm going to be talking about all the
- 0:10people that drink like everyday or nearly every day and say that
- 0:13it really just doesn't impact them.
- 0:15It's just cool way to relax and, you know, really no downside at
- 0:19all like. Yeah, right.
- 0:21So we'll talk about that today. And before we do, please do
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- 0:28As should everyone go to therapy and despite what my job is.
- 0:32I do not think so, but you will listen and learn and benefit
- 0:35greatly from knowing whether you fit into one of my categories of
- 0:38people that should, which isn't just everybody again.
- 0:42So, and certainly not every child.
- 0:43And I talked about that too and children, adults couples,
- 0:47whatever. So anyway, does drinking, just
- 0:50not really impact you are. You as healthy as you could be?
- 0:52Despite having one or two drinks every night and of course, more
- 0:56on the weekends know, like stop. Get out of, like, get out of
- 1:01that delusion. Because like seriously, have you
- 1:03ever tried to stop drinking? Robots and felt like 10,000
- 1:06zillion times better but the somebody had like a party or
- 1:10like there was an event or like whatever.
- 1:12And you just start it again. I mean, every single person
- 1:17that's stops drinking feels better.
- 1:20Why alcohol is a depressant particularly after about your
- 1:2430s? You know, you're fucking
- 1:27depressed enough. Like, let's be real.
- 1:30You don't like life is tough, you got children, you gotta keep
- 1:33a game face on for them. M, you're probably having some
- 1:36level of marital issues. If you're listening to my
- 1:38podcast you probably grew up in a dysfunctional home if you're
- 1:41listening to my podcast. Shit is hard.
- 1:43Do you really need to make sure it harder for yourself.
- 1:45It is literally a depressant to your system as well as calories
- 1:49for no reason and you feel hungover in the morning.
- 1:53I don't care. I don't care what you say.
- 1:54That one drink doesn't make you feel hungover.
- 1:57Try not try not drinking for one to two weeks.
- 2:00And why don't you see how much clearer you feel?
- 2:02Because literally everybody that tries to It says that they do
- 2:06now. Even if you don't give a shit
- 2:08about like your health or your job or your functioning at your
- 2:11job, or your parenting, or being like overweight because alcohol
- 2:15can lead to that, or any of those things.
- 2:18What do you care about? If you're listening to the
- 2:19doctor psych bomb show, I'm you do care about your parenting.
- 2:22So, I mean, that's a, that's a bigger fish to fry, but
- 2:25everybody who's listening cares about their relationship and
- 2:29your relationship really does not benefit.
- 2:33And in fact is Massively frequently, very significantly
- 2:38hurt by drinking, especially the kind of drinking that I'm
- 2:41talking about where it's not like every so often we drink
- 2:43where its nightly drinking with more on the weekends and don't
- 2:47get on your high horse. If it's just nightly drinking,
- 2:49without more on the weekends, it's still nightly drinking.
- 2:51So it's relevant to you. So what happens the couple's?
- 2:55Well, it depends whether they are more conflict avoidant and
- 2:59not in a good way. Not like just happy but like
- 3:02update. Whether they sweep conflict
- 3:03under the rug or whether they are Fighters, you know, and they
- 3:08argue a lot, they argue a lot. Well, let's just take one little
- 3:12guess about when they come in couples counseling.
- 3:14People be like, oh, I had terrible fight on Friday and I
- 3:17just don't want to be like, total like, you know, bitch.
- 3:19So I'm just not like, oh, cause y'all drank like sometimes I
- 3:22will, if we know that that's like, even like an issue, I'll
- 3:24be like, oh, did you drink? They'll be like yeah, invariably
- 3:28they'll say, yeah, you know, if they drink then the drinking
- 3:32makes the fight worse. You know?
- 3:34Like Like and then couples I haven't even thought about this.
- 3:37It's like they got to come in a few times and like they had like
- 3:41pretty good wig or an alright week or something and then this
- 3:44is my favorite line, they'll be like yeah it was because we
- 3:46drank but you know what the issues were there anyway you
- 3:49know what, like let me tell you the issues are going to be there
- 3:52anyway. Like, you know, there is never a
- 3:55couple that goes to couples counseling.
- 3:56They're like, oh my God, we resolved every single issue.
- 4:00Not only all the past ones, but all the future ones we are just
- 4:03like, literally never going to have an issue anymore.
- 4:05Did I check back in five years and they're like, yep, damn
- 4:08straight didn't have a single issue.
- 4:10Of course, you're going to have issues.
- 4:11You're two people, right? That have individual lives and
- 4:14preferences and wants and desires, and stressors and
- 4:18backgrounds and you're going to have issues.
- 4:20So it's like it counts that you drink.
- 4:25You're drinking likely made that fight happen when it wasn't
- 4:29gonna happen and it isn't better.
- 4:32Nobody's ever like man, we feel so So much better after we had
- 4:37that drunken fight. We were both on our a game.
- 4:40We were super logical. We were very empathic.
- 4:43We really finally heard each other for the first time, no way
- 4:47people end up seeing crazy shit like, you know, and then he
- 4:50threatened to leave that. I threatened to leave.
- 4:52That we thought that we were heard the kids wake up, but that
- 4:55we convinced ourselves, we didn't because I would be to
- 4:57shame inducing. And then, you know, I took his
- 4:59phone, then he took my phone and then I told him that, you know,
- 5:03he was an asshole. He told me I was an asshole.
- 5:05Like what? Y'all are paying for couples?
- 5:07Counseling come in, have the damn session.
- 5:09You know, when you're both sober, I would never do a
- 5:12couples counseling session when people were drunk because they
- 5:14can't think straight. So, how can you tell yourself
- 5:18that any fight that you have on? Your drinking is anything except
- 5:22making the relationship a thousand times worse?
- 5:24You're both ashamed afterwards. Then you're hungover the next
- 5:27day, likely or to be irritable and get into another fight even
- 5:31if you're not totally hung over because, you know, you only have
- 5:35had only and quotes had one or two drinks, you're still fuzzy
- 5:39and your irritability is going to be up in.
- 5:41Your bandwidth is going to be down.
- 5:43I'm telling you, like, 30% of marital issues.
- 5:45I bet could be solved by just the people stopping drinking or
- 5:49stopping drinking, except when they go on there, every other
- 5:51week date night or something, they have two glasses of wine,
- 5:54right? Women should not drink basically
- 5:58in the second half of their cycle.
- 5:59If they have marital conflict or possibly at all but, you know,
- 6:03definitely not because Makes you more depressed if you are
- 6:07drinking the day before your period.
- 6:09Holy shit. You are going to be in 1000
- 6:13times worse of a mood and I give you 100% that you're going to
- 6:16have a fight with your husband. And if a guy has any anger
- 6:19problems and he's drinking. No, no, it doesn't help you
- 6:22relax. It makes you more reactive.
- 6:25It makes you quicker, trigger. Unless you drink to the point
- 6:29that you pass out and then what kind of life are you living?
- 6:32And obviously, what kind of example are you setting to your
- 6:35Ian, the parenting is another issue.
- 6:36There's a lot of people who barely ever interact with their
- 6:39kids fully sober. Because by the time, the kids
- 6:42come home from school and after Karen all that, it's basically
- 6:45an hour or two until you have your nightly glass of wine if
- 6:47that, if that, so then you're not really fully present, you
- 6:52don't fully know what's going on.
- 6:54Now, some people will say, you know, but I can't relax without
- 6:57the alcohol. Well, does that sound good?
- 7:01Does that sound good? Does that sound like something
- 7:03to ignore? Not to me.
- 7:05No. That sounds like a real light
- 7:07like a substance. Use problem waiting to happen
- 7:09and I will bet anything that drinking quote to relax was
- 7:13normalized in your family of origin, but that you deeply wish
- 7:16that your parents hadn't been half drunk all the time.
- 7:19You know, if you've allowed yourself to think about it at
- 7:21all, so when you say to yourself, I cannot relax without
- 7:24alcohol, that is a wonderful reason to get into therapy and
- 7:28figure out, alternate coping strategies, it would honestly
- 7:31even be better to be on something like, you know,
- 7:35Antidepressant where you have like the same kind of dose
- 7:38everyday. And it's not a depressant
- 7:42because alcohol is a depressant. So it's short-term anxiety
- 7:45reduction, long-term the anxiety and depression gets worse.
- 7:48So, we'll be better if you're really somebody that needs some
- 7:51sort of biological help with anxiety, you know, probably you
- 7:56talk to a provider, certainly, but an antidepressant would be
- 7:59smarter in most cases. All cases, I'd say, you know,
- 8:04then night, Lead dependent drinking dependent because you
- 8:08cannot regulate your mood without it.
- 8:10And you're also of course, teaching your children that
- 8:13alcoholism mood regulator and that is a terrible lesson and
- 8:17you have no idea the genetic predisposition of your children
- 8:20toward addiction. And so it is always better for
- 8:24them to see drinking as something mommy.
- 8:26And daddy do, sometimes because they're grown-ups, then
- 8:29literally, as soon as we walk in the door, it is extremely tense.
- 8:33Until Daddy makes a drink. Ink.
- 8:35Then when he sits down after about a half an hour, I can come
- 8:38play with him and then an hour after that.
- 8:40I really don't try to know anything about where daddy is
- 8:44because he can be volatile and that is the life of a lot of
- 8:47kids. And if you're an adult child of
- 8:49an alcoholic, you know that. So when a parent uses
- 8:53substances, it is never the same all the time.
- 8:56And if it is it's not a good same all the time.
- 8:58So even the people that are kind of quiet when they're drinking,
- 9:02they're not fully there and their kids know that So it's
- 9:05really something to think about, you know, and it the more
- 9:10uncomfortable or offended you get by the idea that your
- 9:13nightly drink or two, could be bad, the more you should
- 9:17interrogate it. Because if you, there was a pill
- 9:21that you, if you had to take valium every day, you would
- 9:24probably say, man, I gotta get in control of my life.
- 9:27Something's wrong? Something is wrong with how?
- 9:29I'm coping. Something is wrong with the
- 9:31setup of my life? Something is making me.
- 9:33So, So, anxious that I have to take this pharmaceutical in
- 9:38order to calm down. This is not a sustainable
- 9:40situation but just because, like, wine sounds, you know,
- 9:44Gourmet and it's not a pharmaceutical, doesn't mean
- 9:47it's not a pharmaceutical, you know?
- 9:49I mean it's the same kind of thing, so you're taking a
- 9:51substance to make you feel different and to be less present
- 9:56in the world that you're in. This sounds to me like a
- 10:00wonderful reason to go to therapy.
- 10:01To figure out how to fully be. And it's really no different
- 10:05when now that marijuana has been legalized.
- 10:08If you have to smoke every day, you know, or or anything else,
- 10:13where you feel like you have to at the very least.
- 10:17I've course I know there's medical marijuana, certainly
- 10:20helps some people with anxiety Etc, at the very least be
- 10:24talking to a doctor, you know, because I have seen the case
- 10:27where people start having an edible or something regularly
- 10:30for anxiety and it goes up and up and up.
- 10:33And you know, that's It's not good, that's really not good.
- 10:37And the, the benefit of pharmaceuticals, which, you
- 10:41know, like psychotropics, like, like ssris.
- 10:44Although they certainly have many downsides, including side
- 10:47effects. The benefit is that like your
- 10:49doctor doesn't say, hey, you know what?
- 10:51Just like take as many as you need love, you're having a bad
- 10:54day. Just have like seven Zoloft, you
- 10:56know, capsules that's cool. But people tend to do that more
- 10:59with things like Edibles or drinks or anything like that.
- 11:02So you're really kind of not in control.
- 11:05And then for many people, they wake up in a year and they're
- 11:09like, oh my God, how did I get to be somebody who has basically
- 11:13three, drinks a night every night.
- 11:15How did that happen? Just last year, I remember, I
- 11:18had dry January or whatever. Well, should it's next January.
- 11:21And I'm somebody who has three glasses of wine a night, relax,
- 11:25and that's kind of not what I want to show my kids.
- 11:28I am really. I have a temper after a certain
- 11:31point, I am fuzzy. I kind of don't remember what I
- 11:34do. Do really well after 7:00.
- 11:36I'm a little anxious to answer work emails if they come in a
- 11:39little anxious to answer text. I kind of, you know, I don't
- 11:42feel like myself and I passed out quickly at night.
- 11:46Don't get to hang out with my spouse fall asleep, in my kids
- 11:49bed, whatever the case may be, because I'm not fully there.
- 11:52And of course, goes without saying that exercise and other
- 11:55health initiatives. Generally, you know, don't
- 11:59happen as much when somebody is drinking a lot or drinking
- 12:04regularly. Constantly because again you
- 12:06wake up in your fuzzy and that's a real thing in a real effect of
- 12:11drinking. So anyway, if this spoke to you
- 12:14it would be definitely something to bring up with a spouse.
- 12:16You know. Like do you think that I drink
- 12:18too much and they may say something that surprises you or
- 12:21a lot of times honestly they'll say well yeah but you know I
- 12:24still want a drink. Well what does that mean?
- 12:27I mean that's kind of more common than you would think and
- 12:30what it means is hell yeah you do but I self-regulate without
- 12:35Alcohol. And I certainly do not want to
- 12:37examine my own behavior. So allowing you to be basically
- 12:41kind of, you know, drunk every night is allowing me to do the
- 12:45same. And possibly even I drink a
- 12:46little less than you, so makes me feel better than my about
- 12:49myself. Of course, they're not
- 12:50articulating. Any of this?
- 12:51I'm just describing how it goes. And this is why couples
- 12:54frequently get stressed when one stops drinking.
- 12:57But that doesn't mean couples. Also get stressed when one
- 13:00person stops being depressed. You know, this doesn't mean that
- 13:03you should stop working on yourself, because it's, This is
- 13:05the relationship. It means that you need to
- 13:06interrogate the relationship more because any Dynamic change
- 13:10is going to stress. It and long-term, it will be a
- 13:14net positive for either person to improve in any mental or
- 13:19physical health domain. But the other person needs some
- 13:22catch-up time because frequently one person's change.
- 13:25Makes the other person look at themselves and they do not love
- 13:27what they see and maybe then they realize they drink too much
- 13:31or in the case of depression, they realize that they're pretty
- 13:34depressed. And the other guy was just, you
- 13:36know, like if your husband's depressed and he's running
- 13:38around being angry and yelling, then you could be kind of
- 13:41quietly depressed as a woman and feel like you're all right, you
- 13:44know, least you don't yell at the kids.
- 13:46But if you're somebody, who's really uncomfortable thinking
- 13:48that, you're depressed, if he treats his depression, and then
- 13:52he's kind of like a laid-back more laid back guy, you look at
- 13:55yourself, you're like bullshit. Now, I'm the not fun parent
- 13:59because I'm depressed, but I kind of don't want to think that
- 14:02I'm depressed and it's like this whole thing you as I Frequently,
- 14:05recommend movies and stuff, the movie.
- 14:07When a Man Loves a Woman, is a great movie about how one person
- 14:11stopping drinking can really stress a relationship and it's
- 14:15the same, you could generalize from that to have one person,
- 14:18engaging in any healthier, Behavior can really stress the
- 14:20relationship too. So, hopefully, this was useful
- 14:24substance. Use issues are very prevalent
- 14:28and undiagnosed ones, the ones that are below the clinical
- 14:32level for like you know, an abuse disorder.
- 14:34Or a dependence disorder, are obviously more frequent.
- 14:37And if you are in therapy or in couples counseling, you should
- 14:41definitely bring up. How much you guys use substances
- 14:44because frequently it just overlaps with the huge fights or
- 14:47the huge feelings of Disconnect and people don't want to
- 14:50interrogate the substance use. So then they love, they let it
- 14:53go and they kind of almost tacitly agree with one another
- 14:57not to bring up all the drinking and stuff because they don't
- 15:01want to be forced to change it, but the couples that do.
- 15:04You bring it up and work on it, it's super admirable and they
- 15:09are like a thing, a thousand times better place than couples,
- 15:12who shove it under the rug. And I've seen this over and over
- 15:14in my practice. Alright, I hope you guys have a
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