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FRIDAY DRINKS: Valuing Our Frontline Workers · She's On The Money

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  Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr
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  Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before
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  Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I
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  Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land
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  Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,
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  Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through.
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  Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and
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  Speaker 1: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today
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  Speaker 1: and lasting impact for tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to She's on Money, the podcast for
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  Speaker 2: millennials who want financial freedom. Today is Friday My Loves,
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  Speaker 2: which means it is time to sit back with the
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  Speaker 2: girls and a bev in hand so we can unpack
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  Speaker 2: our favorite moments of the week. And of course we
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  Speaker 2: are also going to be celebrating you how incredible She's
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  Speaker 2: on the Money community. As always, we are going to
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  Speaker 2: be sharing our favorite money wins. We're going to discuss
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  Speaker 2: what's making news in the finance world, and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be helping to answer a very juicy money question,
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  Speaker 2: which is all about the indexation rate of our help
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  Speaker 2: debt this week. But first it is time to recap
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  Speaker 2: the week it was miss Jess Grici, what happened to
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  Speaker 2: money Diaries?
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  Speaker 4: Monday's episode went out to all of our below Deck fans,
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  Speaker 4: like Victoria Divino.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the biggest below Deck fan.
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  Speaker 4: We spoke to a girl who moved to France to
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  Speaker 4: be a yochti for Amazing and she was telling us
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  Speaker 4: all about what the experience was like living on a
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  Speaker 4: super yoch working for the richest of the rich, giving
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  Speaker 4: us little insight into what that was like. Turns out,
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  Speaker 4: when you own a superyocht, expectations are high. Yeah, as
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  Speaker 4: you would kind of imagine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're serving billionaires. It was staled. We asked
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  Speaker 2: her so many perfect questions as well, and like did
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  Speaker 2: she get along with the family. He's still friends with
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  Speaker 2: a family, And when you try and marry their son.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't ask her that, but I should have.
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  Speaker 4: Like she should see, yeah, one hundred percent, that's ubillia
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  Speaker 4: to marry into it.
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  Speaker 2: Marry into it. That is the crux of this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: The outcome of how to Create Financial Freedom is actually
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  Speaker 2: just marrying rich. Absolutely, man, we think of that? Why
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  Speaker 2: has she done so many? Yeah? Exactly, man, is a
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  Speaker 2: financial plan all of that. It's genius. It's genius. All right,
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  Speaker 2: let's roll it on, g King, No more marrying rich.
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  Speaker 2: What happened on Wednesday? Because we are actually trying to
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  Speaker 2: educate you to not rely on.
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  Speaker 5: That exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: So on Wednesday, ladies, we spoke about the five finance
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  Speaker 3: books that will change your life.
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  Speaker 2: So we took this one of my favorite things ever
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  Speaker 2: to record, really only because I love talking about the
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  Speaker 2: books I read, and I feel like you gave me
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  Speaker 2: the perfect platform.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there were a lot of good ones in there,
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  Speaker 3: but what kind of what I got out of it
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  Speaker 3: was that all of these books, apart from one, were
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  Speaker 3: about fifty to like seventy years old, and that really
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  Speaker 3: told us that the finance essentials kind of don't change,
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  Speaker 3: like the rules are the same.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I wish I could pretend that I had
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  Speaker 2: coined that compound interest. Can you imagine? It could be
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  Speaker 2: called Victoria interest perfect and it's like the best kind.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly it is not.
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  Speaker 5: True divine interests.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I want to do a PhD one day,
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  Speaker 2: Like My goal is to one day study a PhD
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  Speaker 2: so I can become a doctor. So my name would
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  Speaker 2: be doctor Divine. And I just think that flows really nicely.
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  Speaker 2: But to make it easier, if there's any universities out
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  Speaker 2: there that want to give me one of those ornorary
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  Speaker 2: doctorates that they sometimes hand out to people who do
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  Speaker 2: a lot, which I haven't done, I'll take one for
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  Speaker 2: the team. Perfect, I'll take one for the team because
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  Speaker 2: I would love to call myself doctor Divine. Imagine getting
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  Speaker 2: to get on a play dem oh no, don't downplay
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  Speaker 2: it like that. Imagine getting to get on a plane
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  Speaker 2: and be like, no, I am a doctor on board,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh, what kind I'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: just honorary. I can't help you if anyone's in trust
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  Speaker 2: you with your finance. Yeah, it can help you out
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  Speaker 2: with your finances. That's all I've got. Speaking of doctors,
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  Speaker 2: you know what doctors have sometimes budget direct money wins.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, good one.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes doctors have money wins. And that is how we
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  Speaker 2: are going to segue today into our money win segment.
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  Speaker 2: Georgia King, what have you got this week?
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it, ladies. Okay, So the first win from
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  Speaker 3: today comes from Christie.
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  Speaker 5: Money win.
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  Speaker 3: I nearly fell over when I saw my gas bill
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  Speaker 3: this month. Can relate lucky, she's the doctor. No, well
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  Speaker 3: that'll come. Yes, So I know gas prices have increased,
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  Speaker 3: but my bill was up five hundred percent on last month.
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  Speaker 2: Five hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lot of percent, surely not. I called my provider,
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  Speaker 3: Globird in Brackets, who confirmed that the meter read hadn't
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  Speaker 3: been conducted by the gas wholesaler this month, and the
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  Speaker 3: bill was just based on an estimation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I estimated, yes, five more, Jess, because I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't read your meeting.
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  Speaker 1: A joke.
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  Speaker 3: They immediately canceled the bill. They can to supply a
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  Speaker 3: photo of the meter, and then reissued her bill for
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  Speaker 3: the actual read. Super helpful customer service said they were great,
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  Speaker 3: and she got her bill back on budget.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with glober and I'm waiting for my gas bill.
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  Speaker 2: So my gas Yeah, that's a lot. That's actually a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Good reminder though, that that is very normal at the moment,
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  Speaker 5: isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that estimation. That just feels a little
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  Speaker 2: bit savage. What is the next money win?
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  Speaker 1: Gie?
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  Speaker 5: The next win?
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  Speaker 3: It comes from Emily money win. I asked my boss
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  Speaker 3: for a raise to reflect my experience and value to
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  Speaker 3: the business approaching my one year work adversary, and he
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  Speaker 3: agreed and is going to discuss it with the executive director.
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  Speaker 3: So I should hopefully be earning a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: in a few days. I would never have had the
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  Speaker 3: courage or knowledge to know I could even do this
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  Speaker 3: without this podcast. So thank you for empowering me to
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  Speaker 3: ask for what I deserve. Always ask for what you deserve.
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  Speaker 3: You are doing the work, get it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it so much. It makes
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  Speaker 2: my heart so full.
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  Speaker 3: The next win comes from Angie, biggest money win of
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  Speaker 3: my life. I submitted my last assessment for my degree
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  Speaker 3: on the weekend. Congratulations Angie, and I've been offered a
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  Speaker 3: new role in line with my new qualification. That means
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  Speaker 3: an extra eleven dollars an hour. That's fanatic lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to add up real quick.
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  Speaker 5: Qick mass.
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  Speaker 3: That's eighty eight dollars a day, times up by Fridays.
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  Speaker 3: I'm done four hundred and.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see your faced jo I was on a
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  Speaker 2: roll at the start. You were really confident, but then
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  Speaker 2: you looked at me. You looked at me, and you
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  Speaker 2: were like save me. And I was like, ah, not today, sir,
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  Speaker 2: not today. You were four four hundred and.
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  Speaker 5: Four forty you are, so let's times up by fifty two?
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  Speaker 2: Is that twenty two eight eighty dollars before?
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  Speaker 5: Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? Nobody asked you to get involved, miss
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  Speaker 2: h what's the next money?
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  Speaker 3: The medal of the story is well done, aie. The
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  Speaker 3: next money win comes from Maddie. I guess this could
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  Speaker 3: be a win or a loss, depending on how you
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  Speaker 3: look at it, little sweaty face. I finance for a
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  Speaker 3: home loan, got approved the last couple of years to
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  Speaker 3: be able to buy my first home at twenty six,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm so proud of myself.
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  Speaker 2: So money, that's a big money win, but also a
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  Speaker 2: money loss. Absolutely, it's financial freedom, my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good debt baby. The next wind comes from
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  Speaker 3: a lease. I accidentally let seventy five dollars of Country
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  Speaker 3: Road rewards vouchers lapse. I called them and are annoying
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  Speaker 3: nicely if they would reinstate them. The lady was so
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  Speaker 3: nice she put them back on my account and gave
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  Speaker 3: me an extra month in case I forgot again. If
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  Speaker 3: you don't ask you get a queen's everything to do that.
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  Speaker 2: That's so much money as well, Like you could get
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  Speaker 2: like a whole top, or like a pair of pants
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  Speaker 2: or something for that. Absolutely a lot of money.
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  Speaker 5: We love it. The next win comes from Meg.
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  Speaker 3: I got my private health cover renewed today. Now instead
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  Speaker 3: of thirteen hundred dollars a year, I'm only paying three
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  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty one dollars a year. She just got
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  Speaker 3: rid of all the things she didn't need us.
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  Speaker 2: She's doing the work for all of us. Say we
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  Speaker 2: should do that, we don't do it exactly right, smart
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  Speaker 2: baby like Meg. Next week it comes from Rose money win.
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  Speaker 2: I booked tickets to go to Melbourne for a family
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  Speaker 2: holiday to celebrate my dad's at seventieth. It was a
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  Speaker 2: massive moment for me as we booked without own savings
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  Speaker 2: and not with a credit card.
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember the last time we did that. I'm
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  Speaker 5: so so happy.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually so sweet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry about the weather down here.
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  Speaker 2: Though, roast ferocious.
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  Speaker 3: The final win of today, Ladies comes from Beck. I
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  Speaker 3: have been working my butt off saving for a house deposit,
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  Speaker 3: and I hit the twenty thousand dollar mark this week.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on track to have thirty thousand dollars by the
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  Speaker 3: end of the year. And I'm so very proud of myself.
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  Speaker 2: Oh we're proud of it too. How good. What a
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  Speaker 2: good place to leave at Georgia King Just so much.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately that is all we have time for when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to money wins. It has been so good celebrating
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  Speaker 2: some of your budget direct money wins for reward winning
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  Speaker 2: insurance search budget Direct, Budget Direct Insurance Solved. Now let's
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  Speaker 2: go to a breaks. I want to talk about Hex
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  Speaker 2: later and Jess, you've also found a juicy segment to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that really benefits our frontline healthcare workers. It
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  Speaker 2: sure does.
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  Speaker 5: Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back and this week we are
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  Speaker 2: going to be talking about what are we talking about, Jess,
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  Speaker 2: because you haven't shared it with anybody here on the pod,
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  Speaker 2: just you. You've just been hoarding this.
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  Speaker 4: I like to hold the information, but I know, just kidding,
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  Speaker 4: no gatekeeping here. There's going to be a one off
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  Speaker 4: payment of three thousand dollars for health workers.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that, So what are you gatekeeping? Nothing?
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  Speaker 4: We're sharing that information right now, Okay, all right, right.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's super nice because as we have said
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  Speaker 4: on this podcast before our frontline workers across multiple industries
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  Speaker 4: over the course of COVID quite literally put their bodies
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  Speaker 4: on the line, like they are pulling quadruple shifts, they
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  Speaker 4: are working long hours, they're dealing with cranky people. They
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  Speaker 4: were at a high, high, high risk of exposure to COVID,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's really lovely that that we're doing
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  Speaker 4: something to acknowledge that. So it's a one off payment
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  Speaker 4: of three thousand dollars and the new South Wales Premier
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  Speaker 4: Dominic Perrete said that it's a gesture of appreciation for
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  Speaker 4: all of our health workers for the sacrifices and the
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  Speaker 4: efforts that they have made since the pandemic began, which
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  Speaker 4: really important. Are there other industries I would like to
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  Speaker 4: see this roll out across, Yes, yes, because it's everywhere
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  Speaker 4: other services industries that had just as hard of a
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  Speaker 4: slog I think. But I want to talk to v
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  Speaker 4: because I mean, on face Valu you go, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: three grand I know what I could do with three grand?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely know. I absolutely know it is not productive.
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  Speaker 2: So we're not sharing it on the podcast because that
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  Speaker 2: would make me look silly.
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  Speaker 5: So we've eat three thousand dollars lots of cash.
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  Speaker 2: Holder.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing, but it's a huge amount to receive all
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  Speaker 3: at once. What would your advice be, your non specific
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  Speaker 3: general advice.
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  Speaker 2: Are we giving advice to the state premiers or are
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  Speaker 2: we giving advice to the to the frontline work workers
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  Speaker 2: receiving this. Then I come back to that first point.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give the former advice later or ladder that I'm
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  Speaker 2: just confusing everybody in. Else, I would just make sure
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  Speaker 2: that when it comes in, you are doing something really
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  Speaker 2: constructive with it. Whether it is paying off debt fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: it is putting it away for a rainy day. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't have an emergency fund, bam, you're now in
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  Speaker 2: the position of control. I just think we really need
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  Speaker 2: to be making the most of these lumps some payments
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  Speaker 2: in saying that, I think this is fantastic and we
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  Speaker 2: are so excited about it. But the question that I
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  Speaker 2: would raise is this a band aid solution to a
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  Speaker 2: more long term solution. We already know that our frontline
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  Speaker 2: healthcare workers are I would argue, underpaid for what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Not only are they putting their lives at risk, but
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  Speaker 2: they literally put their families at risk. Every day. Like,
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  Speaker 2: think about COVID. The amount of nurses that I knew
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  Speaker 2: that were going to work that were sneaking in the
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  Speaker 2: back door so that they could strip out of their
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  Speaker 2: COVID gear and into a spare bedroom, not seeing their
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  Speaker 2: families so they could go and look after the community
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  Speaker 2: instead of their own families was insane. And then that's
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  Speaker 2: worth three grant. Like, I don't know, it's not not
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  Speaker 2: worth it. It's absolutely a step in the right direction,
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  Speaker 2: But I think we need to be looking at increasing
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  Speaker 2: their pay significantly, because if we look at it across
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  Speaker 2: the board, like anything less than a five point one
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  Speaker 2: percent pay increase this year for frontline healthcare workers is
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  Speaker 2: not putting them in line with inflation.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting you say that, because they actually in line with
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  Speaker 4: this grant that they're giving out. Also announced they had
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  Speaker 4: agreed to lift the cap on wages to three percent
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  Speaker 4: this year, increasing to a possible three point five next year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's really important that they're doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But if we then look at inflation, they're basically making
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  Speaker 2: less money than they were last year based on the
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  Speaker 2: costs of goods and services. Yeah, So I just I
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  Speaker 2: feel really pressed. You could say when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: frontline healthcare workers, because I just don't think you guys
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  Speaker 2: are getting the rap that you deserve, like you are
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  Speaker 2: so special. Like imagine waking up every day and going,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go put other people in a better position.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna put myself at risk to look after you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm putting my mental health, my physical health, my everything
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  Speaker 2: to the sidelines so I can look after people who
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  Speaker 2: are arguably coming into emergency. Like look at some of
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  Speaker 2: my girlfriends who are emergency nurses. They get yelled at.
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  Speaker 2: One of them a couple of weeks ago, got spat on.
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  Speaker 2: One of them, has been literally abused. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: doctor friend who's been punched in the face, Like what
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  Speaker 2: the hell? And you guys are like, oh, here's three grand.
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  Speaker 2: How about we actually put your wages in line with
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  Speaker 2: inflation to make sure that you guys, who are the
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  Speaker 2: pillars of our society arg you're like, where were we
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  Speaker 2: when COVID happened? Who was carrying the entire country? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Healthcare workers, why aren't they being put in better situations?
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  Speaker 2: I get real pressed about this as well. People were
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  Speaker 2: talking on TikTok about how policemen get a fifty percent
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  Speaker 2: discount at McDonald's. Not why I don't our frontline healthcare
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  Speaker 2: workers get fifty percent. Nope, I would urge all McDonald's
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  Speaker 2: employees to just hit that little like free time they
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  Speaker 2: have a nurse or a doctor or somebody who's just
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  Speaker 2: wearing scrubs come through the drive through, because Lord knows
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  Speaker 2: they need that caffeine absolutefully. It should be free.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably also worth noting the percentage of women that
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  Speaker 3: are nurses. I've just put up a stat and it's
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  Speaker 3: almost ninety percent.
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  Speaker 2: So are we surprised, No, we're not surprised. I just
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  Speaker 2: I really want to rally for the people who in
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  Speaker 2: our community are doing good and being good and being
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  Speaker 2: those pillars of society because you do so much good
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  Speaker 2: work and you work so hard for little to no recognition.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's heartbreaking seeing you know, even in our community,
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  Speaker 2: because Jess, you're on DMS, I slide into DMS a
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  Speaker 2: fair bit, and we talk to our community so often,
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  Speaker 2: and so many of you are really questioning your job
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  Speaker 2: and questioning whether you want to continue being a nurse
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  Speaker 2: or continue being a doctor, because it's actually just so taxing.
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  Speaker 2: Like a couple of my girlfriends are thinking about getting
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  Speaker 2: out of it because they just can't keep up, Like
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  Speaker 2: they're mentally and physically burnt out because all they do
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  Speaker 2: is double shifts, and it's like, why are we not
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  Speaker 2: treating these people so well? But then I get on
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  Speaker 2: LinkedIn and we look at corporate and they're like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh, So imagine if we went down to a
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  Speaker 2: four day work week and these corporate who has are
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  Speaker 2: jumping up and down pretending like they're so hard done by,
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  Speaker 2: And I feel so entirely privileged and entitled, right because
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  Speaker 2: I we're not corporate, are we? Just what would we
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  Speaker 2: call us? We like a podcasting business, so a little bit, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we medium es central. No, it's absolutely not essential, but
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  Speaker 2: it's also so flexible, and we have that flexibility where
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was sick the other week, so you
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  Speaker 2: guys carried it for me and made sure it happened
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  Speaker 2: and I was not stressed, Whereas a nurse calls in
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  Speaker 2: sick and they're like, you better get a sick certificate
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  Speaker 2: because we're not sure if we believe you. Like what,
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  Speaker 2: that's disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Already, guys, on that note, I think it is time
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• 17:20
  Speaker 6: How can we best manage the new help loan three
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: point nine percent indexation rate? Because it used to be
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: much lower and it was always told sorry about it
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: as it was the safest point to have, and now
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: having other debts and credits as well, how is it
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: best to be paid? Should we up our payments on
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: it or make a big repayment? What should we do?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is a really good question because I think
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: so many people are super stressed about what this will
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: mean for their cash flow. And to summarize it, it
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually mean anything for your cash flow. Just because
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the interest rate or the index sction rate has increased
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that your repayment amounts are going to change
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it all. In fact, the repayment amount for twenty twenty
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: two to twenty twenty three are exactly the same as
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: what they were stipulated in the last two years, right,
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  Speaker 2: So you're not going to be lumped with more cash
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: repayments that need to come out of your pocket or
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: are going to come out of your paycheck. But what
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: it will mean is it might take a little bit
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: longer to pay it off. So obviously we don't love debt,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: absolutely not. It's one of those things that can make
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: us feel really sick. But my stake or what are
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: we going to call it, stake or position or however
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: we want to articulate it on Help has not changed.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I am so excited still that we get to live
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  Speaker 2: in a country where we have access to a loan
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: scheme that puts us in a position where we can
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: pay for our university educations and only have indexation applied.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: In saying that indexation this year was sitting at that
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: three point one percent. Indexation is higher, but because of
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the way help actually calculates indexation, the entire indexation amount
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: does not get passed on to us. It gets averaged
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: out over two years, so it's a little bit smaller.
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  Speaker 2: In saying that if you're worried about your cash flow,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: or you are worried about, you know, paying this debt off,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I would be having a look at it just so
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that you can get your head straight, just so you
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: can go does this work for me or not? What
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: are my other financial goals? Because HEX still has the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: same criteria, right, it's still an interest free loan. Technically,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: obviously indexation is applied, there's still no time limit on
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that debt to be paid off, and if you earn
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: under forty seven thousand and fourteen dollars you don't have
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: to pay it back. So there's no other loan like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: that where you know, if you've got a mortgage, g
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: if you earn under forty seven grand, you still have
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to pay it. Yes, if you get a personal loan,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you're still going to have to pay it regardless of
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: what your income is. There's no concessions on oh, g
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: you just lost your job. Okay, sorry, Jess, don't worry
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: about paying it back.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: It's quite flexible. And I think that the thing I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: like about that is the only thing it impacts when
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: it comes to buying property is your serviceability. And when
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you look at serviceability, it's kind of like a grocery bill, right,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So they'd sit down and be like, gee, what are
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: your expenses?
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So your expenses are one hundred dollars a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: week on groceries, one hundred on HEX. No problems. They
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: take that into consideration. They're not looking at how much
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: HEX debt you have. They're actually only looking at the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: portion that you have to pay back and the impact
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: on your cash flow there. So I don't think it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: as overwhelming as people seem to think it is. It's
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: also much lower than probably any type of consumer debt
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: most people have, and at the moment, if you compare
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it to property, I would argue that having an asset
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: obviously not advice, but I would argue having an asset
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: is probably going to be a little bit more powerful
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: than prioritizing your debt repayments to help in saying that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to look at that and go,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: all right, is this going to work for me? Is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: this not going to work for me? Do I just
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: really want to get rid of it? Like each to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: their own, in saying that, if I look at the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: way I have managed it, I haven't paid off any
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: extra help debt and I don't have any intention to
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: because I just want to. At these point in my life.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Steve and I are getting married later this year, so
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that's going to be really expensive and it's already driving
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: me bonkers. We have a renovation that we're currently paying for,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: which guys, is so much more expensive than I anticipated, Like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh. And then on top of that, we
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: have a mortgage that we're trying to get to a
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: level where we're both really comfortable, and at the moment
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a little bit of a stretch,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but it's you know, we're getting there, we're plodding along,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: We're very lucky, it's all working out well. But if
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I added in help repayments to that, it actually doesn't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: get me closer to my long term financial goals than
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: if I was paying that off, Whereas if I look
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: at my short term and my long term financial goals,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: me putting money into my mortgage, putting money into my
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: investments is what's working for me personally at this point
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: in time. And I wouldn't be surprised if you turn
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: around and go, oh, actually, vye oh that makes sense
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: for me. So I think it's about just looking at, well,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: what's the bigger picture, because right now what I'm feeling
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: is that everyone's going, oh my god, indexation is so
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: much higher, Like, how does this impact me? Am I
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: going to be out more cash?
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  Speaker 1: No?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: You're not going to be out more cash. Am I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: going to have to pay it off quicker? No, it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: still the same amount of time. It might just take
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit longer. In that case, is it going
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to stop you from achieving financial goals? No, but it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: could stop you from achieving financial goals if you prioritize
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: something that's not in line with your immediate goals, if
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. Like example here miss Jessica Ricci, if
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: she had a significant help debt and then decided to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: use her home savings or the money that you've saved
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to pay that off instead of buying a house with it,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it would just mean that it would take much longer
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: for her to buy a house. The help debt you'd
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: just be taken into consideration with cash flow. So I
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: think from my perspective, it's just about working out what's
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: right for you. Because if you're at home and you
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: have free cash flow and free rent and all of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: this other stuff, and you're like, but I want it gone,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with you.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: You do you.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: It's all about your values. But what are your values?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Let's think about those, not get overwhelmed about the indexation rate.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: That was very well answered, my friend, Is that okay? Yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I feel like I tho the questions. I feel like
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the moral of the story. For the question your honor, yeah, no,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: for the questions you'r honor, it's just it's completely up
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to you. But generally speaking, that money could probably be
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: put to better use in other places because.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Depending on your values and no help, debt is still
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: not bad debt. Like the idea that we are only
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: experiencing indexation, it's not a real interest rate, I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: is quite helpful. I think people just get really overwhelmed
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: looking at it, going, oh my gosh, it's this spiraling
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: out of control. I don't think so, but yeah, think
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: about your own values. What do you want to achieve,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: what's the timeline that you want to achieve that in,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and what are those things that you need to allocate
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: cash towards. Like you're going to have to have a plan,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And to be quite blunt, you could say a lot
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of the time when I'm speaking one on one with
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: people who are worried about this, they actually haven't set
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: up their budget and cash flow yet. They're actually just
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: worried about the numbers being overwhelming. The second you pull
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: your head out of the sand and set up a
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: budget and cash you'd be like, oh, that doesn't make sense.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: This makes sense, and it kind of like feeds itself
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: once you start allocating cash in certain ways.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Perfect.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's all we've got, Georgia, King.
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  Speaker 4: Of the four Stack.
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  Speaker 5: Go on, let's do it already.
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