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Demons in Tibetan Buddhism — How to Avoid Being Bothered by Them (Oct 2026) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_01: You are live.
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  SPEAKER_02: Somewhat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is our Halloween pop-up.
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  SPEAKER_02: A little bit of an explanation about all the many,
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  SPEAKER_02: many words in Tibetan that translate into demon in English.
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  SPEAKER_02: So to get started,
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  SPEAKER_02: Chukku Kuntuzoma Gombayi,
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  SPEAKER_03: Dorji Sampa Gyarap Dorji Dang,
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  SPEAKER_02: Shere Singe Bhardushin Labdi,
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  SPEAKER_03: Dedhammatran Tata Tu Sumci,
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  SPEAKER_03: Zogchen Dupelamala Sova Deb,
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  SPEAKER_03: Argyan Bhema
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  SPEAKER_02: Janela Sova Deb,
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  SPEAKER_03: Dorji Chang Chitalo Narudang,
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  SPEAKER_03: Marpa Milagwampo Tsatsapa,
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  SPEAKER_03: Napa Padang Pal Vendrupasso,
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  SPEAKER_03: Kargil Lama Namla Sohadeb,
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  SPEAKER_03: Ochen Lama Namla Sohadeb,
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  SPEAKER_03: Ochen Lama Namla Sohadeb,
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know of all the many demons,
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  SPEAKER_02: only one
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  [music]
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  SPEAKER_02: Is a sentient being, Dree.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dree are usually caused when you have a practice accident, a nasty one.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm aware of a couple of practitioners who have that as a probability of turning up
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  SPEAKER_02: as a Dree next time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have known practitioners who have been Dries in the past.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've known them when they were Dries, too.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's... Yeah, it's a sentient being that reincarnates.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you do a lot of practice,
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  SPEAKER_02: but you remain tightly closed-minded,
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  SPEAKER_02: and you... Rather than dedicating your practice...
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  SPEAKER_02: To the benefit of all life,
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  SPEAKER_02: you make decisions about what would benefit all life and dedicate your practice
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  SPEAKER_02: by vow and monlam to what you think is of benefit for all life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Most people get it wrong and create demons out of their mindstream next time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dree.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, some of those demons have gotten very famous and become protectors.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not enlightened.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't take a protector as a yidim.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, well, I know one guy who did.
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  SPEAKER_02: He decided he was Mahakala and that was his yidim.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's one of the ones likely to turn up as a demon next time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then maybe get turned into a protector, which is what he wanted all along.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you find a demon,
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  SPEAKER_02: especially if you knew them when they were a human practitioner,
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  SPEAKER_02: you have a karmic connection with them,
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  SPEAKER_02: sometimes you can to some extent tame them and bring them
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  SPEAKER_02: with all their demonic powers back to support the Dharma.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they become a protector, but they still
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  SPEAKER_02: are incarnate in a demon form.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have Rahula.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have the Shugdan.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have the Tsen.
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  SPEAKER_02: A number of these, either by Guru Rinpoche or someone else, has been tamed.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're demons.
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  SPEAKER_02: They got to be demons.
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  SPEAKER_02: The story of Sugden is very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: He was a scholar in the lineage of Galupa.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very fine scholar, very strong practitioner, very powerful practitioner.
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  SPEAKER_02: But he hated Zogchen.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he took vows to defeat it in debate and all of these many things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because he was such a powerful...
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  SPEAKER_02: Practitioner.
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  SPEAKER_02: When he died,
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  SPEAKER_02: he could have reincarnated in a pure land,
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  SPEAKER_02: but because his mind was held closed against something, he had hatred within it.
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  SPEAKER_02: He hated something specific
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  SPEAKER_02: without seeing all the ramifications of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: He ended up as a protector, still with his hate.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's why we tend to avoid those places where he is practiced.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those of us who teach or practice Zogchen, because he bites.
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  SPEAKER_02: Norbu Rinpoche has a lot of funny stories about things that have bit him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not that particular one, but other protectors.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not enlightened.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're like you and me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Practitioners with a lot of power because they did a lot of practice,
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  SPEAKER_02: but without the sense to be fully open-minded and therefore have become demonic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I advise against
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  SPEAKER_02: doing that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I strongly recommend no matter how good a practitioner you are,
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  SPEAKER_02: you'll be sure you remain open-minded And you dedicate your vows and your merits
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  SPEAKER_02: and your well-being and everything else.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not to what you think is good.
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  SPEAKER_02: But basically to the benefit of without trying to steer.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have to close your mind to some extent to try to steer.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're going to get caught in an oops.
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  SPEAKER_02: So now that I've touched on the one that is closest to what you think of as demons,
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  SPEAKER_02: then there's the ones in the hell realms,
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  SPEAKER_02: the Lemkes, with bodies of humans and heads of animals.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are not sentient.
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  SPEAKER_02: They act like they're sentient.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like talking to chat GPT, you know, one of these AIs.
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  SPEAKER_02: It acts like it's sentient.
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  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like it's sentient.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's a mathematical relationship.
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  SPEAKER_02: So far, they haven't woken up yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're getting there, but none of the ones I've talked to have.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're like that, not sentient, just seem that way.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are like the devils in charge of the hells,
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  SPEAKER_02: the demons with pitchforks in Western mythology, that equivalent.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you've got those,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then on this plane, You've got Rolong, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those are just basic zombies.
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  SPEAKER_02: We get them here in New Orleans sometimes too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's a fungus, maybe it's a sorcerer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Depends on your point of view.
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  SPEAKER_02: Then you have Gex and Parchees.
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  SPEAKER_02: We count them as demons in Tibetan pantheon or mythology.
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  SPEAKER_02: And yet they are not sentient any more than a pattern woven on a loom is sentient or
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  SPEAKER_02: a spider's web is sentient.
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  SPEAKER_03: They are patterns.
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  SPEAKER_02: Parchies are your repeaters.
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  SPEAKER_02: When Sultra Malione talks about feeding your own demons, She's mostly talking about Parchees.
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  SPEAKER_02: So these are your own patterns that you trip over.
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  SPEAKER_02: With each people,
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  SPEAKER_02: each person,
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  SPEAKER_02: there's a certain set of patterns that you personally frequently trip over of yours.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might be an insecurity.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might be wanting to be the center of attention.
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  SPEAKER_02: It might be loathing to be the center of attention, trying to have nobody see, nobody look.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not really here.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's nobody here but us chickens.
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  SPEAKER_02: All these different ways that it is possible
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  SPEAKER_02: to have a pattern.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some people have a pattern that they believe is dyslexia or dyscalculia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or ADD.
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  SPEAKER_02: All of these are Parchi.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even autism can be Parchi.
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  SPEAKER_02: What makes a Parchi a demon rather than an angel?
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  SPEAKER_02: Simply the fact that you don't like it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Any of these.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you don't mind them,
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  SPEAKER_02: Lose their power over you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Their power is caused, the power of Parchees is caused by your resistance of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh shit, here comes a column of numbers and I have dyscalculia.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tighten up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fear.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to look.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Make it go away.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pretend it isn't there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Procrastinate.
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  SPEAKER_02: Procrastinate.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah?
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  SPEAKER_02: Feeds it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anytime something frightens you and you tense up and run away,
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  SPEAKER_02: your Parchi is strengthened.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is a matter of accepting the feeling and not trying to avoid it,
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  SPEAKER_02: not trying to fight it that allows Parchis, which are a pattern, To unravel.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, there's GECs as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: We often say GECs and Parchies together.
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  SPEAKER_02: GECs aren't that big, they're temporary.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the big overall pattern, once it's started guys, don't knock on the door, just come in.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the big overall pattern, Parchees are repeated patterns.
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  SPEAKER_02: You may carry the same parchees your whole life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Gecks are more like little dust devils that arise for a few months or a few years
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  SPEAKER_03: and then dissipate.
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  SPEAKER_02: Certain relationships may be seen as gecks.
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  SPEAKER_02: Certain friendships, certain situations, certain jobs,
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  SPEAKER_02: They cause you to scrinch up
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  SPEAKER_02: and therefore to create digpa.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are all words that translate as demon into English.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when a Westerner is translating something from a Tibetan and they say demon,
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  SPEAKER_02: they could be translating any one of these words.
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  SPEAKER_02: Except Rolong, because we do have a word for zombies because we have them too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those are the little ones.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll take questions if you have any
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  SPEAKER_02: for a little while and then I will come back.
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  SPEAKER_02: To talking about a few more classes,
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  SPEAKER_02: but I realize if I stop now, you'll never remember half of it to ask me about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the questions we have is how does Barche Lomsel eliminate negative spirits?
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  SPEAKER_01: How many times does it need to be repeated?
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  SPEAKER_01: And how do aspirations work in general?
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  SPEAKER_02: So Barche Lomsel gets rid of Parches.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the kind of negative spirit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Patterns.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they seem alive.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you repeat it many times, the patterns begin to dissipate.
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  SPEAKER_02: How many times you have to repeat it,
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  SPEAKER_02: that's going to make a difference in how big a pattern it is
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  SPEAKER_03: and how long you've had it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes a lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: It also works on geck.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if it's just a little geck, maybe just a few times.
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  SPEAKER_02: But parches, you know, they're sticky.
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  SPEAKER_02: You also asked, I think, how monlam works, aspirations, by repetition.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even self-hypnosis works by repetition.
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  SPEAKER_02: You repeat your coding often enough to change it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So with monlum,
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  SPEAKER_02: wish path,
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  SPEAKER_02: which in English gets translated as prayer half the time,
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  SPEAKER_02: as if there was something you were praying to other than demons,
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  SPEAKER_02: you write out a Poemish, prayerish aspiration.
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  SPEAKER_02: A few lines.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't make it too long.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you repeat it hundreds of thousands of times again and again until it takes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question is, Garchan Rinpoche just completed the first session of the Vajrakalaya Drupshin.
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  SPEAKER_01: Could you talk about Vajrakalaya?
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind of energy does he slash she represent in dealing with demons?
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  SPEAKER_02: Vajrakalaya is a yidam,
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  SPEAKER_02: not a protector, which means it is an archetype of full enlightened energy,
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  SPEAKER_02: It is particularly good at dealing with gecks and parchies,
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  SPEAKER_02: and even the bigger ones, the dooms and dudes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not that useful on drees in my experience,
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  SPEAKER_02: although maybe it is, come to think of it, if that was a dree.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have no idea what the fuck that was.
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  SPEAKER_02: So basically it works inwardly,
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  SPEAKER_02: once again by repetition, which is why drupchen, a big doing,
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  SPEAKER_02: big practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it works by that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when people work together,
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  SPEAKER_02: it creates more energy than people working separately, like a coven.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's more than just 12 times.
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  SPEAKER_02: One, the synergy of the working together.
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  SPEAKER_02: So in a Drupchen,
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  SPEAKER_02: a bunch of people get together and recite again and again,
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  SPEAKER_02: calling the energy of this enlightened aspect of all sentient beings,
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  SPEAKER_02: of all life,
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  SPEAKER_02: Purva, and smashing, breaking, The patterns that arise as gecks and parchies.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because of the power risen, some drees flee from it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's another question on Vajra Kalaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question is,
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  SPEAKER_01: at the end of a Vajra Kalaya retreat,
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  SPEAKER_01: my partner's mala literally disappeared into thin air.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nowhere to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Could this have been some kind of demon taking it?
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  SPEAKER_01: If yes, what should he do?
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  SPEAKER_02: Get a new mala.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Things happened.
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  SPEAKER_02: Things you think are solid aren't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Things you think aren't solid are.
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  SPEAKER_02: You never do know for sure what has happened under any circumstance.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, if your friend is without a mala, they should get another.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was an easy one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, and go get a new mala.
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  SPEAKER_02: See if it ever turns up again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe, maybe not.
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  SPEAKER_02: You might find it on behind your Christmas tree or,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, hanging from a tree somewhere in an unusual town in Greece.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just never know what's going to happen in this world.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question is, in the Western magical systems, there are processes for contacting demons.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there benefit to these practices?
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: They bite, honey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Western demons, some I'm sure are drie.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are dunes.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that you can actually talk to a geck or a parchee.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think the closest to the Western demon would be a drie or a dude.
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  SPEAKER_02: A dude is like a yidim, but on the other side.
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  SPEAKER_02: Gone to the dark side.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, I see no benefit in mucking around with demons.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Crowley was into that, and one of them ate him.
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  SPEAKER_03: And all the friends he had hanging around at the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was rather a mess.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have seen someone eaten by a demon.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not a nice way to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: In case they are Dree, unless you have more power than I think you do, leave them alone.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you don't go poking snakes that you haven't identified yet, do you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Once you know what kind of snake, yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: then you can go catch snakes, but You kind of need to know what's around there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: The question is,
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  SPEAKER_01: speaking of gods slash demons,
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  SPEAKER_01: can you talk or explain a little the serchem golden drink offering?
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  SPEAKER_02: A serchem is offered usually to protectors.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I already talked about how those come to pass.
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  SPEAKER_03: And most of them, Ekizade is a
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  SPEAKER_02: different matter.
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  SPEAKER_02: Although, no, she is not someone you take as a Yidim.
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  SPEAKER_02: A friend, maybe.
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  SPEAKER_02: She is Queen of the Mamos, and more about Mamos later.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Say that question again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of gods slash demons,
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  SPEAKER_01: can you talk or explain a little the serchem golden drink offering?
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  SPEAKER_02: So in the serchem goes usually a torma and a liquid.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you take it out and you toss it into a high place up on the roof so
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  SPEAKER_02: that it be eaten by crows.
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  SPEAKER_02: That offering is usually to one of the protectors,
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  SPEAKER_02: either the protector you personally work with or of that gompa,
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  SPEAKER_02: and somebody is in charge of doing that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there an equivalent of the Christian archangels that you're aware of?
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  SPEAKER_02: Not exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I
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  SPEAKER_02: mean, aren't archangels supposed to be a species that is alive?
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  SPEAKER_02: Dree maybe?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not exactly sure what archangels are.
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  SPEAKER_02: I haven't studied Christianity in that much depth.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe dudes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dudes are not sentient.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they sure as hell act as if they are.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fool you every time.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are sometimes called gods,
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  SPEAKER_02: sometimes called demons, depending on whether or not you like their agenda.
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  SPEAKER_02: So maybe archangels would go in there.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not the worldly gods that fight over infidelity and things like
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  SPEAKER_02: the Greek Pantheon or the
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  SPEAKER_02: Indian Pantheon or the Norse Pantheon.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those are La.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dudes are archetypes.
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  SPEAKER_02: But more like yidams because they aren't people.
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  SPEAKER_02: They aren't sentient beings.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if archangels are supposed to be sentient beings or not.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dudes are weird.
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  SPEAKER_02: You will be running into them here and there.
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  SPEAKER_02: People worship them.
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  SPEAKER_02: They eat glory.
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  SPEAKER_02: They eat emotions,
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  SPEAKER_02: high intensity of emotion,
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  SPEAKER_02: where fear is mixed with bravery,
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  SPEAKER_02: is mixed with hatred and anger, is mixed with,
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  SPEAKER_01: yeah, they like that flavor.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: But they're not sentient.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if people made them because they wanted one
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: or how they swirled together.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: But they don't have past lives and they don't have future lives.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: They're patterns that people think are sentient.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Dooms,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: another type,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: are also not sentient.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: Dooms are like principles.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that would be your archangels.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: The devil of jealousy.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: The devil of poverty.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: The devil of drink to some people who think that that is a devil.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Those are the dooms.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: They are principles of suffering.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Stress is a doom.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: Things that tighten, that close the mind, that make one go all scrunched.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's Mamos.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: They're into ecology.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Ekizati is their queen.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: They are the immune system of this planet, Gaia, of Earth.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_02: So if you litter, they're going to go after you.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: So will Nagas if you litter near water.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: But Mamos are interesting.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: They bring plague, war.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: They confuse kings and drive them mad.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: They destroy societies.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: Whenever there is an overgrowth of humans,
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: they bring in earthquakes and Floods,
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: storms, fires,
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: in order to deal with the overgrowth.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's their purpose.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Are they sentient?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: Are you?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're not an entity, an individual.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: You're an ecology.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: All the little critters...
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: That live in your gut, on your skin, up your twat, in your digestive tract, in your hair.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thousands and thousands of little critters.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you and them, all together, make up what is thought of as a sentient being.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: You.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: You.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: But actually you're an ecology.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And this planet may well think itself to be a sentient being.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's an ecology.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: And just as you have an immune system which goes after
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: overgrowths of bacteria
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: within your body, or tries to, So does the planet.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: These are the mamos.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: Problem is, humans tend to be the overgrowth.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: And when there are too many, the world and the animals doesn't do well.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: So we're entering into such a phase where the mamos are active.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't It's really point of view whether they are demons or saviors.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: On a lot of these that we're calling demons,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: it's really point of view if they are demons or gods or saviors or angels.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: Really, it has a whole lot to do with whether or not you agree with their agenda.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: If you are what we'll call a rabbit ecologist,
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: well, you're probably going to think the mamas are the good guys.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: If you have a family and you are living in a floodplain, they might be the bad guys.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's a point of view.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_02: Good and bad occur only in context.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: And even then, it's really hard to tell which is which.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: We have a couple of questions about how is it possible to tell
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: if someone's behavior is influenced by demons or controlled by demons?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Well, how can you tell if someone's behavior is influenced by parasites?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know that there is a parasite that lives in cats.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Part of its life cycle is in cats.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: The other part of its life cycle is in rodents.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: So it has to get from the rodent to the cat.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: So what it does is makes the rodent not afraid of cats.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now, some of us who really like cats,
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: even when they're troublesome,
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: beyond really what might be considered sane, probably have that virus.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make humans sick.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: So how do you know if someone's possessed by bacteria?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: It would be the same question.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: You don't exactly, the Tibetans consider anyone who has self-loathing
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: to be possessed by demons.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: Which is 99% of the Westerners I have met.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: You ever feel that self-loathing where you just really hate yourself sometimes?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's part of a depression.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: The Tibetans say it means you're possessed by a demon.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: Which kind they've never said exactly.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: I think Tibetans,
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Tibetan men
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: rarely feel that way.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: They might regret their deeds and have guilt,
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: but they don't feel that sense of hating themselves.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: So how can you tell if you're possessed by a demon?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, how much do you like yourself?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: There are many ceremonies, but look, some kinds of demons, not trees, are very uncommon.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Mostly it's imbalances, which are patterns of Parchi and Gek.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's mostly what you've got.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: I would guess,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: from what I know of the whole thing,
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: that the pattern of self-loathing,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: which is fairly common in the West, is basically Apache.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: For some people, it's more of a geck because it doesn't last long or happen often.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: It just comes up on a really bad day.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: So probably you're all possessed of a demon as in Parchees.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: The question is do we strip Parchees naked of serving them and the emotions
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: and thoughts we have or is it better to ignore them?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Only Lilith knows where.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: Only Lilith knows where.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Say that again, Nayando.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Do we strip Parchees naked of serving them in the emotions and thoughts we have,
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: or is it better to ignore them?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: There are different ways of dealing with Parchees.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Purva is a pretty good one.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: So is Vajrasattva.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: That'll clean some of them out.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_02: So you can use Tantra.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: In Dzogchen, you just laugh at them.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Stripping them naked is always a good first step in dealing with anything of
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: the emotional nature, and parties have emotions woven into them.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, strip it naked and then laugh at it and leave it be.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: This is not the same as ignoring it.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: To ignore it
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: would be
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: like to turn your face away and pretend it wasn't there.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: This is much more to accept it is what it is.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: I
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: have a party.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: I was just looking at it yesterday.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that thing.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's been there all my life.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see if it's there in my next.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: No big deal.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: These things will wear off eventually.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: Everything changes.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Your personality, guys, you can't keep it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_02: You will have a personality, but you can't keep this one.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: It'll change.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: It always changes.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: Minute to minute, day by day, year by year, and life by life.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no point in getting all attached to it.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or all bent out of shape because you think you don't like it.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: One of our Polish viewers asks, can the practice of Mahakala enrage demons?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what do you mean by a demon?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Which kind?
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: It can irritate Apache so that it's more obvious, same with Gex, so that they seem bigger.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: It might piss off a Dree or a Doom or a Dude.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: Probably piss off a Dude highly.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: They don't like you messing with other gods and demons.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: They tend to be a bit jealous.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: So it depends on what you mean by demons, remember?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's a word, and I'm telling you all these different words that translate as that.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: The question is, I think a family suicide has created a poltergeist in my house.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: All our stuff is suddenly breaking.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Can you offer any advice?
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, buy melamite.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know that stuff that you get dishes made of when you have little kids?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: Melamine?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Melamine is plastic?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not quite plastic.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's what I have.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: You can't break them.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: The Corel dishes?
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: Get those.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, see if you can find out what the poltergeist wants.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Try a Ouija board.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_02: If it is a ghost,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or a La, not La God, La kind of spirit that is left when someone has died.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: Those wear off after a time,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: but you might want to see what it wants if it's looking for something.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: Best I can suggest that and getting unbreakable stuff
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: until this passes.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: You might try having prayers done for the dead
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: by a qualified shaman.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're around.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know where in which country or state or whatever you are in, but look around.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: There's probably a decent shaman.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: Don't go for a new age one.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Go for one with bonafide lineage.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: It goes way back with methods that have been tested.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_02: It may be that some of the new age stuff works.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: It may be that it doesn't, but it's too soon to know, which is why I don't recommend it.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: You want to go with something that has been tried over hundreds of years and refined.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: As far as tools go for this.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you might find a shaman around who can basically find out what it wants.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, some people like to swap them out of there.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: Not my style.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, talk to the shaman and see how they're going to be with it.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Find a bond lineage.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: They're good shamans.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: And see if someone will do a doer in the house, a rebalancing of energies.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: If there's any bond shamans living near you for an offering, yeah, I mean,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: the tradition is you make a pretty nice offering and they come and do
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: a pretty nice ceremony.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: One person asks,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: does demon karma come to an end at some point and they get reborn again
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: and finish their path to enlightenment?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, usually you got to go fish them out.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: For example, while they're still demons, they have very long lives.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: So they will go back on the path to enlightenment like Mahakala while still
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: in demon form as a protector.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: If they get Suri, they make a mess because.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: So you have to be very careful in taming demons that you don't make them Suri.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: Suri is a kind of sectarianism which has a jealousy to it.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Mine, mine, all mine.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know how there have been in the past histories of lamas who worry
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: that we're going to run out of sentient beings so they try to hoard students?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're not going to run out of sentient beings.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's no need to hoard them.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: Look at them all.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: One of our Turkish viewers asks,
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: can disturbing figures seen in hypnagogic imagery after meditation and just
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_01: before sleep be considered demons?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Those are visions at the best.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: What you see in those states,
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: also if you've taken a lot of drugs,
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: are things your mind makes up for entertainment purposes.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: And just like everything else in your life,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: it's stuff your mind makes up for entertainment purposes.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: If there's a bad smell in the apartment, cabbage.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: I just saw a question go by, what to do?
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_02: What are the demons called when there's a bad smell in the...
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Apartment.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Generally, that's either from cooking cabbage or you can cover it with cabbage.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Or eventual exes put shrimp in your curtain rod.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, there's always that.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes the ex leaves hidden rotting things just to get you.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: So thorough cleaning first of both the inhabitants, their clothes and the apartment.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: And then airing out with windows open and the burning of
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: either sage or juniper
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: or copal, depending on your culture.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: Russia, I think you
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: have juniper.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: So the burning of juniper.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's a good smudge.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_02: Should clear it.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a demon.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's usually something dirty has occurred.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like the cat dragged in a mouse or a mouse died in the baseboards and it's sitting
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: in there rotting, stinking.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's not a spiritual thing.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can addiction be considered a demon?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that would be a doom.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, dooms aren't sentient.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: They are more principles.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: So it's Apache and a doom.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: You have a pattern within you if you Tend to addict to things.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: Now, some things are more addictive than others.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: And some people don't get addicted to anything until they come upon the one thing
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: that they get addicted to.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of unpredictable.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: But what happens is Parche.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: And that pattern is inherent in the person.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: So with that pattern,
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: should the substance that fits into the little grooves in that pattern come by,
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: they're likely to be addicted.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: The entire principle of addiction, how it works,
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: would be a dung.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas for an individual, they would be experiencing it as a dung.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're trying to get out of addiction,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: hundreds and hundreds of Parchulansal could be effective,
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: as could some other tantric practices.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: There are so many systems.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_02: I have a note here from someone that Norbu Rinpoche taught a system of eight classes of being.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember exactly what his eight classes are.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_02: There's four classes in one system,
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: and then there's eight in Norbu Rinpoche's system, and there's a few different ways.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: It depends on whether you're including Roland's and Mamo's, how many you get.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_02: And Lemke's, all of which are, yeah, demons, but
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Not quite what a Westerner would think of as such.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: Here I've got the list from Norbo, which is Dude, Mamo, Naga's not a demon.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: Ging, Rahula, Rahula's a protector.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_02: Tsen, who are also now protectors, the Tsen brothers.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Rikasha and Yakasha.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, these are not translating as demon.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_02: These are all other than dudes and mamos.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because a naga is people like us.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: They're just water world.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: And trying to remember.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know that Sen, because I've had the Wong and have done the Protector Puja for it.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_02: Some think that they're based over in the Four Corners area.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: Rahula was my costume last Mardi Gras.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_02: Martin, what's a ging?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: I know Rakasha and Yakasha.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: You'll get back to me.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know the word ging.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: So lots of systems.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Since sentient beings reincarnate,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: how likely is it that they can remain in an area to haunt it as a ghost?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it more likely that local spirits are imitating the dead folks for their own reasons?
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: There is always a law.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: It is usually either at the grave or
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: If the ashes were scattered or there's no big thing,
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: as a grave, they might be in their normal area,
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: like the apartment.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_02: They look like the person at the time of death, but in better health.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: They look like the person,
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: but if it's your mother who died, rarely does the law look like she looked at 20.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Might be motherly looking.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're an echo of the person's life.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: They'll last for as long as the family remembers them,
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: puts out food for them and does symbolic actions to feed them.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: They're not the person,
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: but if you really miss your mom, You can go to the grave and she'll turn up.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: She'll appear like a hologram and you can talk to her.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: The law.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of attention is put where you put the grave because you want to be able
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: to go there and talk to mom only.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's not really mom.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a hologramic recording of her life.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: Mom's going on to her own stuff.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_02: She's not mom now.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: She's, you know, a young kid somewhere or a jackal or whatever.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: But laws are nice for the grieving.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: So that's quite common and people often think of them as ghosts.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now to actually become a ghost, there is a ghost is to be reborn as a ghost.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's a pretta.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: Not all pretas are starving.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's wealth differences within the preta realm.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: All pretas are craving something.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: All pretas are in want.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: So if you have a ghost in the apartment of a dead one, it could be a ghost ghost as in a preta.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: There is something they want.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Something they cannot leave that they want to continue to be with.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: I always thought all living beings were sentient.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: What prayer should I do for a demon in me if it is not sentient to help it?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Why, if it is not, wait a minute.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think sentient means?
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: It means alive.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_02: If it is not alive, what do you, you're trying to help a stone?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: A story?
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: A fence?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: Sentient means alive.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: Means has hope and fear, which is what life has.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if a demon is non-sentient,
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: you don't have to worry about it
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: because it can't suffer.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: It has neither hope nor fear.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_02: Only that which is alive suffers.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: A picture of Mahakala disappeared from my car.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Could it mean something?
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: Should I get another one?
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: I have a connection with this protector.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, get another one.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: It might mean you left the window open and were driving on a windy day and didn't notice.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: It might mean you left your door unlocked one night and somebody wanted it.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_02: It might mean a squirrel took it.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: Couldn't mean anything.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_02: Unless you are trained in omens,
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: and it's a whole big training,
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: takes a few years,
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: and that, if you're going to do that, that's all you're going to do with this life.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard to tell what, if anything, has any meaning beyond its very moment.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, get yourself another one.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_02: If that one went away.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Things come
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: and go.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_02: I had the perfect costume for Halloween last night.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_02: I still do, somewhere.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Suddenly,
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_02: 8 o'clock,
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: the party starts at 9 and I'm rooting through things trying to think
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: of what I can turn into a costume.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because for the life of me, it seems to have wandered off.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_02: They do that.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Every culture has different entities or demons.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can a ritual from a different tradition work against them?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or the cultures are different?
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: If I were up in Siberia and were troubled by something off plane,
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_02: I would like a local shaman who knows these things.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_02: If I were being stalked by a tiger in Sikkim,
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: I would like a Sikkimese hunter to tell me how to avoid it.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_02: A South American hunter probably doesn't know how to avoid tigers.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_02: So just practically,
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: if you're bothered by something in a particular culture,
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_02: go to a shaman of that culture.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: So if it's something here in America, I'd look for a native shaman.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: Except in New Orleans, I'd probably look for a voodoo shaman.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_02: If I were in any of the India,
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: Indo-Tibet,
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: China areas,
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: I would look for a Tibetan shaman,
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: Bon probably, since they have the best ones, or Nyingma, they're pretty good too.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_02: And if I were up in the steppes,
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_02: in the cold lands of North Russia and Siberia,
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'd certainly want a shaman of that lineage.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_02: If I were being bothered by some kind of something.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you never really know quite what kind of what
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_02: Is likely to be bothering you.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can guess maybe it's some kind of Western demon.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're trying to figure out, is this a Dree or Apache?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: Or some stupid guy?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: You'll never know.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: So many times things have happened and afterwards just standing there going,
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_02: what happened?
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_02: You'll never know.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's no one here among us who knows what's real from what is not.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: So you does your best.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_03: This is not an
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_02: important teaching.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there's bits in it that might be important,
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: like to know the patterns of gex and parchies and that they're internal,
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: not coming from outside.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: To know the danger of dudes so that you can kind of keep a low profile around them.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: They bite.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: To be a little careful around protectors.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: They have nasty tempers sometimes, like maha kallak.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, buy him a cookie.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: In fact,
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: person who had it stolen from the car,
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_02: get another one, but also make a small offering to Mahakala.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure you have a text somewhere.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: If not, go fish, go ask somebody for one.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: Does the Black Torah Sadhana help in dealing with Parchees?
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_01: Should one focus on a specific Parchee of one's own before beginning the Sadhana?
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: The Sadhana is effective on Parchees.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is not necessary to focus on a particular Parchee of one's own.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, that is not nearly as effective as focusing on
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: All beings,
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_02: Parchees,
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_02: when you try to hold to fix yours,
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: you're holding on to the self-concept that you trip over regularly.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas if you release and you offer, you offer open and out, you are opening the field
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_02: To the potential complete relaxation of enlightenment.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: All the tightnesses maintain your Parchi.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_02: So doing things for your Parchi probably will make it worse.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, all of the Taras are good for that.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: Black Tara is a good one.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: And dealing with Parchi's green Tara also.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: Next question.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: These are very easy questions, but this is a simple subject.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't Dzogchen.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is bedtime stories.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: What energy being spills waters and breaks stone necklaces?
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_02: People.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say people.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_02: Stone necklaces are quite fragile.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: They break if you drop them.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_02: And water is quite fragile.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't keep it exactly contained within something, it spills.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_02: So generally I would say those are humans.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: A dream might push over a glass.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Generally, if you're involved with a dream, You have some previous karma with Adri.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_02: It was either your teacher once and had an oops,
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: or your student once and had an oops and it's your job to get it back on track,
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: or your best friend once who had an oops,
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_02: a member of your Sangha,
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_02: your practice partner,
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_02: Generally, if there's a Dree in your life, there's an old karma with it, with them.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: And some form of karmic debt or responsibility.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: So if that happens, start trying to see, you know, what does it need?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: I had a student who was terribly troubled by ghosts,
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: pretas, and they kept coming to her and saying, Give us all your merit.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_02: And her first instinct when someone is attacking and trying to take something
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_02: from you was to tighten up and be like, no.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: And she finally realized what was going on and just gave them all the merit.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_02: And they were satisfied and didn't bother her anymore.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are being troubled by something,
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_03: see if you can figure out what it wants.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_02: Try tea and cookies first.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's always a safe bet.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: Most people, even if it's not what they want, will be pleased by a cup of tea and some cookies.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: And Drei are people.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: So are Nagas.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: And Asuras.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: To some extent.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: Nagas are closer to people.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Asuras are... Ah, it's a different realm.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, next question.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of bedtime stories,
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was wondering if you could tell us about the thing in the cave and what kind
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: of thing that was.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: I never did find out what kind of thing that was.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: No, not today.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: Not today?
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_01: You've mentioned Valerian works for closing your channels.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_01: Would this work for a teenager who thinks they are invaded by demons?
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that would depend.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_02: If they are invaded by anything off-plane, it'll work fine.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: If that's all in their mind and they're just making it up because they're a teenager.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know,
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: when you're a teenager,
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: you don't have enough of the world to really make up Probable stories
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: about your experiences,
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: but everyone's instinct when they have an experience is to make up a story about
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: the hows and whys and wherefores.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: So your teenager is having some experiences
• 1:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: and the wheres and whyfores he's come
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: upon, chosen, For a variety of reasons.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps he's interested in psychic stuff or dharma.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps he wants a lot of attention and that should get some attention from exorcism.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_02: Perhaps he's been reading religious books.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: For all sorts of reasons, that's the story he's settled on.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_02: The question would be, what are the sensations you're having?
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_02: That have led you to disbelief.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: But you can try explaining that Valium Valerian shuts down those channels.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_02: Valerian root T and ask him if he would like his psychic channels shut down for
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: a few hours so we can get some rest.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_02: And if it works, then yeah, he is being bothered by something.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: If he stays on the Valerian for a while,
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: a couple of weeks, it'll get bored and probably not bother him anymore.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_02: But if it turns out that the kid is, he immediately needs proper training as a channel.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: If it turns out that this actually is demons and things.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_02: See...
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of stuff that's off plane.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: People call them guides.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_02: People call them demons.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: Whole realm.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them are quite wise.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them are right idiots.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: Some of them would like nothing more than to sell you a batch of snake oil
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_02: or borrow your body to go do fun things with that it may or not survive,
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_02: may or may not.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: So if you turn out to have a talent for channeling, for God's sakes, get trained in a lineage.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: So if the kid does turn out,
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_02: if the Valerian works and the kid does turn out to have been plagued by thingies,
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_02: go find a shaman, train him quick.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: In a real lineage, not Crowley.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_02: Find a shaman who does not have teeth marks on him.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want somebody who's gonna teach him how to get it.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: One more question.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Is there such a thing as an energy vampire?
• 1:11:02
  SPEAKER_01: If there is, what do they do and how to detect them and protect ourselves from them?
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Usually there is such a thing.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_02: They do exist.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: They usually know that they are.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_02: But even more common is someone with whom you have a karma that whenever you're
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_02: with this person, the energy only flows one way from you to them.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_02: They are not actually sucking.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's the karmic relationship between the two of you that makes it feel like it.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_02: So there are energy vampires.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: And there are also vampiric relationships.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's someone probably not sucking on anybody else, just you.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Due to a karmic pattern.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_02: And what to do about them?
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Avoid.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_02: I have no damn idea.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: I've met a few.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_02: I've also had one of those relationships.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_02: And what I am...
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Have determined is I have no idea
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_03: what to do about them except back off,
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_02: go be elsewhere.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, ask a shaman.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I suspect that they couldn't drink if you were in actual treachery.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_02: But all they need to do is startle you out of it for a moment to have a sip.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if your treacherous still comes and goes, probably that won't work.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, Shini is really powerful.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to close with a demon story.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_02: The Tibetans,
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_02: when they wish to remove a demon from somewhere,
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_02: make this beautiful thing that looks like a god's eye.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's two cross sticks with woven, the yarn woven.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're gorgeous.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_02: Then they have more up here and sometimes they've got
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_02: a three-dimensional one coming out and very fancy.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_02: And while they weave them,
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: they sing about what a beautiful palace this is and how all delights are within it.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: And they do this in the place where the demon is haunting.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_02: And then when they're done, they leave it there for a day.
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then they very carefully, using,
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_02: with full focus in Shine,
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: carry it out into the forest and leave it somewhere where it won't bother anyone.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: So up around McLeod Gunj,
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_02: Dharamsala,
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_02: Westerners,
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: bless their hearts,
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_02: would go out into the forest and find these beautiful things and bring them home
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_02: and hang them on the wall.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_02: So there was a room that had one on the wall and people had moved in and out since then.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_02: The original finder was long gone.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_02: But everything went wrong.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_02: People got sick.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_02: People got hepatitis.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Cats, the kittens that were born there were born with deformities and they couldn't live.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_02: They could live to be cute kittens, but not to grow up.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it was really hard.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was going over to see that friend, to see the cute deformed kittens.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I looked up on the wall and I was like, oh my God, what have you done?
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it was there when she moved in and says, may I have permission to remove this?
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_02: So doing the proper mantra and shiné, I grasp it carefully.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_02: Continuing in the mantra and shiné out into the forest,
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: almost too far, almost far enough, and I tripped.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Blew my shiné.
• 1:15:39
  SPEAKER_02: The next thing I remember,
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_02: about 10 days later,
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in Amalab Seng's medical office, being fumigated and smudged.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Apparently I was totally off my rocker for 10 days,
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: going about McLeod Gungeon Upper Dharamsala with an umbrella that I thought was
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_02: a sword slaying demons.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember any of it.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_02: So, those fuckers bite.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_02: What was caught in there, I'm guessing that was a dree.
• 1:16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I got really yelled at by one of my teachers for that too, the shaman, Yeshi Dorji.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_02: You idiot, call a professional.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_02: You're not nearly good enough to be moving one of those.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now I know.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for coming to our Halloween pop-up.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_02: I believe next Wednesday is the retreat out at the bayous.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Thursday it starts.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so, guys, there's a big retreat out at the Bayou starting on Thursday.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_02: I believe there's one or two places.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_02: If you want in, feel free.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_02: It will be fun.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Go play with the alligators.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And as always, I want to put a word in for our translators.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, right.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_02: We had translators today.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Among them, Spanish, Polish, Turkish...
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a few others that I haven't seen cross my chat feed.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_02: If you were listening to this in a language other than English,
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_02: and you would like to keep listening to things in a language other than English,
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: support your translators.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_02: They're volunteers.
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_02: It would be a kindness.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_02: Send them a little something.
• 1:18:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you can't do that, at least contact them and say thank you and how much it means to you.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Really.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we're good.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:18:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'll see some of you out at the bayou and the rest of you next time.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Am I pushing buttons?
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you are offline.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, yes.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was fun.