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Cleveland Police Open Suitcases and Make Horrifying Discovery, Mother Arrested | Aliyah Henderson · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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  You may not believe this, but for most of my life I've been
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  known by my friends and family as somebody who has a short
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  fuse, quick to throw a temper tantrum.
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  Several years ago, Kimberly got me thinking.
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  Because everything that I am that is good comes from my
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  relationship, from my snuggly bear, my sweetie pie, my one and
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  only. She got me.
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  Well, she. Set an example for me to follow.
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  I used to get really angry in traffic when people were just
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  driving and they weren't being considerate of, of people around
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  them. And she would start to extend a
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  little extra Gray. She'd say stuff like, oh, they
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  must be in a hurry or that text must be important or something,
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  you know, that kind of thing. And she set an example for me
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  and it really started to temper me.
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  And, and now I'm, I'm pretty much known as a pretty chill
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  guy. I don't lose my temper very
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  often anymore. But today I've been really
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  angry. I've been really angry because
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  of these two little ones right here, Amor Wilson and Mila
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  Chapman. These are two little ones whose
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  deceased bodies were summarily stuffed into suitcases and
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  buried in a park in a shallow grave, and boy has it gotten
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  under my skin. I am just angry about this and
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  I'm trying to find the place or the thing that is going to make
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  me feel like better, right? Often times our, our quest for
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  justice can help us feel better. I don't know that this one, this
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  one reminds me so much in different ways, of course, but
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  it reminds me of how I felt with Maddie Soto, just how offended I
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  felt on behalf of humanity that a grown man would treat a child
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  like that. And I, I'm just angry.
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  I'm just angry about it. We're going to dig into it a
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  little bit tonight. We're going to get to know this
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  case a little bit. You and I hopefully.
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  I mean, there has to be something that I just don't
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  know. I just don't know, guys.
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  I just don't know. I'm I'm, I'm just, I'm just mad
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  at this one. I'm just really angry.
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  But stick with me. A lot of other stuff happened in
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  the world of true crime today. Lot of reporting, including the
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  defense resting without calling a single witness in the Corey
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  Richins case. So when we get into headlines,
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  we're going to talk about that. Lots to talk about today.
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  Stay with me. This video contains mature
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  themes and discussions intended only for adult audiences.
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  Viewer discretion is advised. When you investigate crime, you
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  evidence is in your favor. That's actually a little
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  hilarious because I didn't know that I'd forgotten that that was
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  queued up. That is funny.
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  I got to get that out of there so it doesn't queue up tomorrow.
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  I completely forgot that I had that queued up and it I am
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  I can't remember feel a little bit better.
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  Hello there, my friend, and welcome back to another true
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  crime conversation with me, Gavin Fish.
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  Hey, listen. If you think if if that was just
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  like cognitively dissonant for you, I don't blame you.
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  It I just I take. Victims and their families and
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  crime very, very seriously. But I don't take myself
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  seriously and I and we shouldn't take each other seriously,
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  right? Should have fun in this life.
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  We don't want to be angry all the time.
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  So it's good to, it's good to have something like that to blow
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  off some steam. Speaking of things that that we
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  might be able to use to blow off some steam.
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  I've been wanting some transition music every once in a
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  while. There's just, there's just a,
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  there's just content where we just need to, we, we need
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  something to, we need the proverbial saltine cracker
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  between taste testing, right? Clear the pallet.
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  So I asked. Wanda, for those of you who
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  don't know, my staff consists of Javier, who is our button pusher
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  and toggle Switcher, and Nob Turner.
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  He he is our producer that keeps the show running.
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  And we have Wanda who she works in our sound booth giving us
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  good music. Wanda is the one who is
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  responsible. For example, if I'm going to be
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  sentimental and talk about my past, she will give us some some
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  of that sentimental music. For example, Wanda, can you give
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  us maybe a little bit of harp? She can play anything.
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  Can you give us a little harp? Yeah.
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  Oh, it's beautiful. Wanda.
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  Wanda. Oh, she's so good.
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  But she has been busy composing some transition music, some of
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  it. And and you'll be surprised at
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  at this, at this woman's talent. She is amazing.
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  Hey, Wanda, can we hear, can we hear maybe a little sample of,
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  of what transition music might be in the future?
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  Oh, she's getting the steel drums, everybody.
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  She's getting the steel. Drums out, here we go.
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  Yeah, Yeah, that's nice. So that's enough, Wanda.
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  Thank you. So when whenever we need that
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  transition, we've I I think Wanda's got some, she's got her
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  sheet music out. She she like licks her finger
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  and turns the pages to what she wants to play.
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  And we're going to get some, we're going to get some
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  transition music do. You have anything that's jazzy,
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  Wanda, something that's kind of upbeat and jazzy.
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  Yeah, yeah. Play that.
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  Yeah, Cool. Very cool.
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  Yeah, I don't know how you do. Those drums, is that with your
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  feet? Yeah.
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  It's, it's like she has 6 arms back there.
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  She she just does really good work.
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  Hey, thank you for joining me tonight.
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  If you'd like to cut past all the fluff and sensationalism and
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  true crime, I do too. You have found the right spot
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  and I am glad you did. Thank you for joining and tell
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  me in the live chat. And in the comments where you're
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  joining me from, I just love to to know that kind of stuff.
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  Tonight, we are talking about the case of Aaliyah Henderson.
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  Really. We're not talking about the case
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  of we're, we're talking about the case of Amor Wilson and Mila
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  Chapman. Their mother, who is pictured
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  there on the left holding one of the little girls with a big
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  smile on her face, is Aaliyah Henderson.
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  She has been arrested for the murder of her daughters.
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  And we're going to get into that again.
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  Be sure to tell me where you're tuning in from.
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  I, I want to check in with you guys.
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  But before we do, why don't we do?
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  Just a little bit of map time so that we know where we we are in
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  the world. We're going to channel our inner
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  Ghisala and you can see that little, that little, what do we
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  call that pin there up in the upper, you know, North East side
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  of the state of Ohio, that is Cleveland.
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  Cleveland sits right on Lake Erie and where the girls were
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  found is this little place called Saranac Playground, which
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  if we kind of back up a little bit is kind of it's along the
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  railroad tracks. Now, I don't know Cleveland very
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  well. I, I go out there from time to
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  time, spent a little time in Shaker Heights, but I really
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  don't know Cleveland all that well.
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  I know along the. Lake, of course, are going to be
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  really nice homes, really beautiful businesses.
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  Looks like we've got a Yacht Club up there.
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  So I don't know this area. It does look to me like, I mean,
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  we're along the tracks. So, so is this a nice area?
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  I don't know. We can kind of look around.
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  This is the. This is the.
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  Playground it, I mean, it looks just like a like a little
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  northeastern neighborhood. I mean, it looks like a like a
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  nice enough place. These are, this is a pretty
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  typical kind of architecture that you find in the Northeast
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  in Cleveland. They're smaller homes.
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  You'll notice that like paint is chipping and stuff like that.
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  It's because we live in a pretty, pretty hard on our
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  structures and on our cars. Climate Cleveland for you guys
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  who don't know, it's about two 2 1/2 hours away from me.
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  So this, this neighborhood to me just looks like a regular old
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  pretty nice neighborhood actually.
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  And so it, it's not like we're on the literal wrong side of the
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  tracks here. I I would love if you are tuning
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  in from Cleveland. Let me know what the
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  neighborhood is like but this is this playground is where the
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  girls bodies were found. OK so that that's enough nap not
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  nap time. That's enough map time.
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  Maybe there should be some map time for Gavin.
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  Let's get into the stories of the day this so this started to
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  be reported on March 5th and you know, there's been there's been
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  some breaking news in this over the last couple of days, but
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  let's just get into this. This from WKYC written by Ryan
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  Haydet headline says mother charged with aggravated murder
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  after bodies of two young girls found in suitcases and victims
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  were identified. Dateline Cleveland A 28 year old
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  woman has been arrested by Cleveland Police and charged
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  with murder just days after the bodies of two young girls were
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  found in suitcases in the Erie area of E 162nd St. and Midland
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  Ave. I was going to open this up the
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  let's mute that. So it looks like I'm looking for
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  the date that this was that this.
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  Tonight, a gruesome discovery on Cleveland's 8th.
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  Yeah, so it looks like on March 3rd or March 2nd is when is when
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  the girls bodies were found. I'm sure this is in the story.
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  You can get into it here, Gavin. Here we go.
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  According to an update from the Cleveland Division of Police on
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  Thursday afternoon, the suspect has been identified as Aaliyah
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  Henderson, the mother of both victims.
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  She has been charged with two counts of aggravated murder.
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  Also on Thursday afternoon, the Cuyahoga County Medical
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  Examiner's Office identified the two victims, who are half
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  siblings, following DNA relationship testing Amor
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  Wilson, 10, of Cleveland, and Mila Chapman, 8, also of
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  Cleveland. Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibb
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  released the following statement on Thursday.
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  Quote, I want to thank our homicide detectives and members
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  of the Division of Police for their incredible work in this
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  case. Their dedication and persistence
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  led to a quick arrest in connection with the tragic
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  deaths of two young children whose bodies were discovered
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  earlier this week. Continuing the quote, this has
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  shocked our community. We love and protect our young
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  people and the loss of two children is unimaginable.
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  Our hearts are with everyone who is grieving this tragedy.
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  In addition, that's close, quote, In addition, the Cuyahoga
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  County spokesperson or a Cuyahoga County spokesperson
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  gave the below statement to Three News Thursday afternoon.
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  Quote, We are profoundly saddened by the deaths of these
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  two young girls, which is a tragedy for their families and
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  our entire community due to the active criminal investigation
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  into these debts. As well as the.
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  Confidentiality obligation of Ohio law.
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  We are unable to disclose any further information at this
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  time. OK, so here are the case details
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  actually that that's a pretty good primer.
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  Let's let's just check in with you guys.
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  I, I this is going to this this not song this case is going to
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  make me so angry. I just I'm going to have to take
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  a moment here every once in a while hole.
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  What is it? Hole.
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  Hello, It's Britt. Hey, Britt from Southwest PA.
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  We've got Alexandra from the UK checking in.
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  Delaware is in the house. Let's see, what else have we
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  got? Isolated.
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  Atlantic haven? Bermuda.
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  Bermuda. Bermuda is in the house.
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  Barb is wondering how I managed to keep my glasses dry while in
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  the shower. Asking for a friend.
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  You guys don't wear your glasses in the shower?
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  Oh, that's funny, Robin says. You've Plumb lost your mind.
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  And I think we like it. I think I've come up.
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  an incentive for super chats. Right now, YouTube's being
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  You know, I'm, I'm depending on support from you guys, which I,
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  I deeply appreciate. And I thought, well, you know,
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  if we can make, make a goal on super chats, I'll make this
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  commercial. And I did.
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  I've got a, I've got a new idea. I've got a new idea.
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  I don't want to overdo it, right?
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  Don't want to overdo it. But I've got a new idea that
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  that will be coming. We got Montana in the house.
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  New Hampshire is here. Central Ohio is here.
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  Illinois, Southeast Pennsylvania.
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  Excelsior Springs, home of the famous Elms Hotel, Northwest
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  Georgia is in the house. Aunt Tis is from Utah in the
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  house. Cleveland is here.
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  Dream Z, Glad that you are here. Barb says my city is known for
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  hosting the greatest outdoor show on earth.
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  Where am I, Barb? I don't know.
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  You're 1 Google away that the answer is 1 Google away, though.
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  Let's see, where else have we got?
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  Yeah. Autumn, This.
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  Yeah. Why?
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  Why this? Emmy says this is cruel and
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  vile. How long were these girls
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  missing and no one knew? Just Ducky says.
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  I think she had another child sick, still alive with her at
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  the house. That is the reporting that I
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  have read to burn dogs. So many children being murdered
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  by their mothers. Yeah, Dreamzy says Collingwood
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  area of Cleveland is and it is not a nice part of our city.
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  So it is actually on the wrong side of the tracks, I guess,
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  right. Thank you for letting me know
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  that. I appreciate that.
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  Oregon is here, Marion is here, Central Kentucky, New Jersey.
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  Thank you guys. And Beth Pepper says makes me
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  sick, right? Makes me sick and and it does.
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  Our Tar Heel friend, our North Carolina Tar Heel friend says
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  this is just evil. And it is.
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  And I'm trying to find a way, trying to find a way.
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  Is this mental illness? You know, I'm trying to find a
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  way to not be angry to, to, to let it go, but I'm just not able
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  to right now. Jules and me.
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  Thank you very much, Jules and me.
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  For the Super chat really appreciate that she says or he
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  says they say. I appreciate your hard work and
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  thanks to all the mods and chat. Yep, our mods keep this channel
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  classy man. It's the classiest live chat on
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  all of YouTube. Before we get back into the
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  channel. Okie Dokie, Let's let's go back
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  into the story and thanks again Jules and me for that super
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  chat. Really, really appreciate it.
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  OK, here are the case details. The situation started around
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  6:00 PM Monday. Let's let's be clear, that would
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  be Monday the 2nd of March. When officers with the 5th
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  District responded to the scene after receiving a report of a
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  suspected dead body. By the way, there are there's
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  like body worn camera footage on this.
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  There's an interview with one of the fathers.
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  I just can't bring myself, I just can't bring myself to watch
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  it. So we're we're going to read.
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  After officers found the body of a young girl inside a suitcase,
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  detectives found a second body of another young girl inside a
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  separate suitcase. Quote.
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  Both victims were transported to the Cuyahoga Cuyahoga County
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  Medical Examiner's Office where examinations are underway to
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  determine the cause and manner of death, according to the
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  Cleveland Division of Police. This again.
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  This was reported back on the 5th and new details released
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  late Wednesday morning. The medical examiner's office
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  announced that DNA testing revealed the girls are half
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  siblings during a press conference Tuesday afternoon.
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  That would be the third. Cleveland Division of Police
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  Chief Dorothy Todd. I like Dorothy Todd.
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  She's got a style. Remember, this is where this is
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  the same city that the TEPI murders took place in.
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  I thought she did a terrific job.
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  Her entire police. Force did a terrific job.
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  In in using the media, using US. To eventually find who murdered
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  the Tepes allegedly and, and make those charges and they have
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  one of the best solved cases in the nation.
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  They are terrific. So Chief Todd said there were no
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  clear indicators of the cause of death of the two young girls.
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  She also said it's unknown how long they had been in the
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  location. Quote, these were two young
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  lives with their entire futures ahead of them.
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  Our detectives work tirelessly and with great care to identify
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  those responsible. Investigations of this nature
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  require patience, precision and discretion.
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  Unlike what is often portrayed on television, every detail
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  cannot be shared publicly. Certain information must remain
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  confidential to protect the integrity of the investigation
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  and ensure justice for the OK. So she's like, this is going to
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  happen. It was.
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  First announced Wednesday that police had detained a person of
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  interest in the case. Let's see.
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  The police said. Using intelligence LED policing
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  strategies, technology and experienced investigative
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  skills, detectives developed probable cause to execute a
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  search warrant at a residence on the 700 block of.
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  E 162nd Street. Now let's real quick go back to
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  the map and let's just take a look.
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  I'm I'm going to put in. Directions to say like 700 E
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  162nd street right It's it's that block Oh oh goodness.
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  OK, so let me zoom in and share this with you guys It is like
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  120 feet away so there's a house somewhere on this block.
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  I I haven't looked up exactly which which house it is, but
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  yeah the 700 block is Kitty corner.
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  Do you say Kitty corner or caddy corner?
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  Depends on where you're from. I say Kitty.
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  Corner. But you know, 100 feet away from
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  this playground is where they're saying the search warrant or the
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  search took place. According to Let's See, within
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  less than 48 hours, detectives detained a person of interest
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  and recovered substantial evidence related to the case.
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  Police said a child was found inside the home and appeared to
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  be in good health. The Department of Children and
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  Family Services has taken custody of the child.
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  On Thursday, body camera footage of the discovery was released.
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  In the video, the man who called police told the officer it's a
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  suitcase. I've been walking past it for
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  about a week now. I walk my dog over there and she
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  keeps stopping. She's been sniffing a little too
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  long, he told the officer. He decided to open the suitcase.
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  I pulled it up, unzipped it. I couldn't really see and I
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  opened it up and a head blanking head, said the man.
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  The community reaction was 3 News also talked to Deshawn
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  Chapman, who said he's the father.
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  You know, I can. This is this is Mr. Chapman
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  here. I've got another, I've got
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  another article I, I want to read about him.
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  OK, let's, let's move on to this one.
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  This one written by Courtney Shaw, Drew Schofield, Sarah
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  Buddeson or Buddeson, John Kosik and Scott Knoll for News 5
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  Cleveland Heartbroken man believes he is the father of one
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  of the girls killed in Collingwood.
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  And this is March 5th, so they, well, they probably had
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  identified her by then. Dateline Cleveland, Cleveland
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  Police announced that a 28 year old blah blah, blah.
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  Yet we know all about this. According to cleveland.com, The
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  Plain Dealer, Henderson is the mother of both children.
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  The photo was taken several years ago in the paper did a
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  story about ongoing healthcare coverage in Cleveland.
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  So these little girls obviously had grown up quite a bit since
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  this picture was taken. But it's the picture that most
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  of us are using in the media. Police said detectives, blah
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  blah, yeah, here we go. OK Man says he's the father.
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  In the cold rain on Thursday, Deshawn Chapman, who identified
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  himself as the father of Mila Chapman, visited the site where
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  the bodies were found and spoke with News 5's John Kosik.
• 24:36
  Chapman or Kosich, I'm not sure. Chapman said he had not had
• 24:41
  contact with his daughter for several years but was working to
• 24:44
  gain custody. He said after hearing his
• 24:47
  daughter may have been killed, he called the.
• 24:49
  Tip line and made contact with a homicide detective Quote.
• 24:52
  What I'm feeling is hate, Chapman told Cosec about the
• 24:56
  loss of the two young girls. Mixed feelings about this.
• 25:03
  Well, we don't know the background.
• 25:05
  We don't know why the father was out of the picture.
• 25:10
  This this is just going to be a moment where I'm going to have
• 25:13
  to withhold my judgement because I'm angry right now, going to
• 25:18
  have to withhold my judgment and I'm sure more will come out it.
• 25:25
  It just really bothers me when children are fatherless.
• 25:29
  It just and I understand that there are myriad reasons for
• 25:34
  that to happen. I just think that every child
• 25:38
  deserves to have. Both a father and a mother.
• 25:42
  I, I think it, this might be unpopular with some of you, I
• 25:47
  just think that it's the best way to raise a child.
• 25:50
  And anyway, neighbor weighs in. News 5 investigator Scott Noel
• 25:57
  spoke to Chapman and neighbor Deshea Kreider on Thursday, who
• 26:02
  shared a duplex with Henderson and the children.
• 26:04
  Both said they called Cuyahoga County's Division of Child and
• 26:07
  Family Services with concerns about Henderson.
• 26:11
  Crider said she had moved into the duplex Plex on E 162nd
• 26:15
  Street at the same time Henderson did.
• 26:18
  The neighbor, who has five children of her own, said she
• 26:21
  hadn't. Seen Henderson's children in
• 26:23
  more than a year. She never let her kids come
• 26:26
  outside to play, said Crider. Nobody, None of the kids engaged
• 26:29
  with those kids. Oh, oh, that's so sad.
• 26:34
  Crider said she called Protective Services after she
• 26:37
  became concerned about erratic behavior by Henderson.
• 26:40
  She was acting out, said Kreider.
• 26:42
  When asked if she had concerns about her neighbor's mental
• 26:45
  health, Kreider said yes 100% in a statement.
• 26:48
  The Cuyahoga County or Cuyahoga County spokesperson wrote due to
• 26:53
  the active criminal investigation into these debts.
• 26:56
  As well as the confidentiality obligation of Ohio law, we
• 26:59
  aren't unable to disclose any further information at this
• 27:02
  time. So we have.
• 27:08
  We have a father of one of the children who hasn't seen the the
• 27:12
  the daughter in years. We have neighbors saying I am
• 27:17
  concerned about mental. Health also saying I haven't
• 27:20
  seen the children in more than a year.
• 27:22
  Also saying the kids in the neighborhood never play with
• 27:25
  those kids, never even see those kids.
• 27:28
  Oh. I Oh my goodness.
• 27:36
  This is just. Yeah, it just kills me.
• 27:41
  Let. Let's take a break.
• 27:43
  You know what? And now might be a good time to
• 27:47
  use a little bit of that transition music.
• 27:49
  Let's just let, let me just let me just.
• 27:51
  Clear the screen here a little bit and let let's have some
• 27:54
  transition music just for a moment taking.
• 27:59
  Deep breaths Wanda. This kind of reminds me of the
• 28:02
  soundtrack of Elf. Yeah.
• 28:07
  OK. It's nice.
• 28:11
  I don't even know how you do this.
• 28:14
  So, so, so good. While we just kind of cleanse
• 28:19
  the palate, let's go over to your comments.
• 28:25
  Yeah, That's good, Wanda. Thank you.
• 28:26
  OK, that, that helped me out a lot.
• 28:30
  Lynn Taylor says there's so much help out there if needed.
• 28:33
  It is hard not to be angry when this happens to children
• 28:36
  especially. There is, you're right, there is
• 28:38
  so much help, so many good people working both in the
• 28:43
  public sector and private sectors to be out there helping.
• 28:46
  Please, please, please, if you are having, if you're watching
• 28:48
  this and you are having a difficulty right now with your
• 28:53
  mental health, with your emotional health, with your
• 28:56
  temper. Please, there's help that's
• 28:59
  available near you and they're people.
• 29:02
  They're people that love you and love your children.
• 29:05
  Please ask them for help. There's no shame in it.
• 29:10
  People will be proud of you for that man Let's.
• 29:15
  See Beth Guy giving a channel membership.
• 29:18
  Thank you for doing that. And that reminds me, I have 5
• 29:22
  more memberships that I can give away this month.
• 29:25
  Bang, let's do it. Here we go.
• 29:29
  Thank you. Thank you, Beth for your for
• 29:32
  your example. That was awesome.
• 29:34
  Appreciate that. Let's see.
• 29:41
  Robin says Kitty corner. Jenny says Kitty corner.
• 29:44
  Fourth opinion says caddy corner.
• 29:46
  So does Beth Peppers. So does who's your staff?
• 29:50
  And Robin says caddywhompus. Not a little bit different,
• 29:52
  little bit different. Jenny says mixed feelings here
• 29:55
  too. Beth Pepper says the father had
• 29:59
  been searching for them for a couple of years.
• 30:01
  I I, I hope that that is the case.
• 30:03
  I really do, Robin says. I agree the child needs 2
• 30:07
  parents. Caveat being that said second
• 30:09
  parent is not abusive physically, emotionally.
• 30:11
  Exactly, exactly. We are dealing with this issue
• 30:15
  right now and it's a sad truth for our little.
• 30:18
  I'm sorry for that, but you're right.
• 30:20
  Yeah, so I should expand what I'm saying.
• 30:23
  Every child should be reared by two loving parents.
• 30:30
  Loving, caring, protecting, loving of each other.
• 30:35
  Yeah, I completely, completely agree.
• 30:40
  And this is Emmy. Great comment.
• 30:42
  The daddy of one of the girls wanted his child.
• 30:45
  Yeah, he wanted her. Hoo Hoo, Hoo, Hoo, Hoo.
• 30:51
  You are welcome for the membership.
• 30:52
  I know that like I don't get to choose who gets the memberships,
• 30:55
  but, but thank you for thank you for accepting it, Arctic Cat,
• 31:02
  says Gavin. Thank you for covering this
• 31:03
  precious little ones and not allowing them to.
• 31:05
  Fade away or be forgotten. Yeah, it's it's my pleasure.
• 31:09
  This is just a. It.
• 31:11
  Is a hard one, Nikki says. Unfortunately, a lot of us
• 31:14
  didn't grow up in a healthy, loving family environment,
• 31:17
  therefore poor, destructive decisions are made and passed
• 31:20
  from one generation to the next. So very sad.
• 31:23
  Nikki, thank you very much for that comment and that is a good
• 31:26
  that you are being my Kimberly right now, right?
• 31:29
  You're right, you're right so many and I and I think it's
• 31:33
  maybe even the minority of people that.
• 31:37
  That grow up in solid. Homes where their parents love
• 31:42
  each other and the children and and care for them.
• 31:45
  And you're right, it is a generational problem.
• 31:48
  And I'm aiming it does not excuse the behavior, right?
• 31:54
  We have to hold people like this accountable.
• 32:00
  There has to be accountability for sure.
• 32:03
  But we do have. To understand why, and I know
• 32:09
  that there are so many that work diligently, not only to
• 32:13
  understand why, but to change that in in families and
• 32:19
  neighborhoods and communities, you know, all the way up in the
• 32:23
  world, right? So thank you.
• 32:25
  Thank you, Nikki, for a terrific, terrific comment.
• 32:30
  I really appreciate that. OK, let's get back into it.
• 32:35
  There's more here moving forward in time.
• 32:41
  This is another one. Let's see.
• 32:48
  Yeah, I'm going to bring you guys over to this.
• 32:51
  This from FOX 8, also on March 5th, written by Tino Bovenzi and
• 32:56
  Laura Morrison. Dateline Cleveland, father of
• 32:59
  Mila Chapman, speaks out. FOX 8 is hearing from the father
• 33:03
  of one of two young girls killed and buried in cello graves in
• 33:06
  Collinwood discovered Monday night.
• 33:09
  Quote I just feel useless. I couldn't save my daughter, The
• 33:12
  man told FOX 8's Tina Bovenzi spoke on condition of anonymity.
• 33:16
  And we know who he is because, you know, he, he gave his
• 33:21
  identity. Later shared photos and videos
• 33:24
  with FOX eight of his daughter Mila, an adorable child with a
• 33:27
  bright smile. The man, Smoke not Smoke, spoke
• 33:31
  after dropping flowers at a growing memorial near the site
• 33:35
  where the 2 girls were buried in separate suitcases.
• 33:38
  He wants the public to know he believes his daughter's mother
• 33:41
  kept Mila from him for years. Quote when it was something so
• 33:45
  simple. Just give me her.
• 33:47
  You're feeling stressed, Give me her, he said.
• 33:50
  I've been trying to get her for six years.
• 33:52
  You've been ducking me. You told me I was too family
• 33:55
  oriented. That's why you ain't giving my
• 33:57
  daughter. Been tried tried, tried then
• 34:00
  talking to CPS numerous occasions, he said here is an
• 34:06
  adorable little picture of Mila. My goodness.
• 34:10
  And then, you know, he, he says that he provided his DNA at this
• 34:19
  point, he didn't know that it was that it was her.
• 34:23
  So let's see. We both was in a position where
• 34:28
  we couldn't get her because the mother always left.
• 34:30
  He said she was always leaving. I don't know how long she's been
• 34:34
  gone, how long she's been dead. I don't know how long she's been
• 34:37
  missing. But it could have been
• 34:38
  prevented, he said. The man said he was told he was
• 34:43
  only used for child support and felt iced out.
• 34:46
  He said he tried to apply for custody but his requests were
• 34:48
  denied and CPS would not get involved because the girls had a
• 34:52
  home and a bed. The last time he saw Mila was
• 34:55
  four years ago. It says OK moving forward in
• 34:58
  time. This from cleveland.com Olivia
• 35:02
  Mitchell writing here $2,000,000 bond for mom accused of killing
• 35:06
  Cleveland daughters found in suitcases daily in Cleveland.
• 35:10
  A Cleveland municipal report. This is this is from the 6th.
• 35:12
  So about about a week ago, a Cleveland Municipal Court judge
• 35:16
  set bond at 2 million Friday, $2,000,000 Friday for a 28 year
• 35:21
  old woman accused of killing her two daughters and disposing of
• 35:24
  their bodies in suitcases. Aaliyah Henderson of Cleveland
• 35:27
  is charged with two counts of aggravated murder in connection
• 35:30
  with the deaths of her daughters, Amor Wilson and Mila
• 35:36
  Chapman. Henderson has no record of
• 35:39
  violence, no criminal history, but the judge who granted the
• 35:43
  bond said he was concerned about the safety of the community.
• 35:48
  The case unfolded over several days this week.
• 35:50
  And then it, it continues to tell the to all the details that
• 35:55
  we have seen so far. But yeah, she, she was given a
• 36:00
  $2,000,000 bond, which I think is 1,000,000 for each, for each
• 36:06
  child. And then on the 10th, So 2 days
• 36:09
  ago, Cleveland 19 reporter Brittany Weir wrote all
• 36:13
  relatives of 2 girls found in suitcases in Cleveland being
• 36:17
  investigated, court records show.
• 36:20
  I think this is a positive thing.
• 36:22
  Court records obtained by 19 News show police are
• 36:26
  investigating quote all relatives in the case of the
• 36:30
  woman accused of killing her two young daughters and hiding their
• 36:32
  bodies in suitcases. According to the Cuyahoga County
• 36:40
  Juvenile Court, the investigation includes the
• 36:43
  father of Henderson's third child, who was found safe inside
• 36:46
  the home when Henderson was arrested.
• 36:48
  New court documents show the child is 6 years old and is now
• 36:52
  in the care of Children and Family Services. 19 News is not
• 36:55
  naming the father because he has not been charged.
• 36:58
  Court records also lifts him as a person of interest in the
• 37:02
  deaths. I'm wondering.
• 37:10
  I'm wondering about the sea in Venango County, Pennsylvania.
• 37:16
  About two years ago ish. I can't remember in Oil City,
• 37:23
  there was a, there was a case of a little toddler boy who was
• 37:32
  found dead stuffed into a bag in a basement of kind of a trap
• 37:38
  house. It wasn't technically a trap
• 37:40
  house, but it, it was a, it was a rough house.
• 37:45
  And both the mother of that little boy and her boyfriend
• 37:52
  were arrested in the murder. The mother pleaded and testified
• 38:02
  against her boyfriend, and her testimony was that she was
• 38:07
  severely physically abused by him and that her boys were too.
• 38:12
  He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison
• 38:16
  without the possibility of parole.
• 38:18
  And she she. Got a plea?
• 38:22
  Deal. But she also is in prison,
• 38:26
  right? And I'm wondering in this case,
• 38:33
  if the father of the six year old is being named a person of
• 38:37
  interest, are we going to see an arrest?
• 38:40
  This. Is just me thinking out loud
• 38:42
  here, are we going to see an arrest and a charge against him
• 38:49
  for the murder as well? And are we going to find out
• 38:52
  that this was an abusive household?
• 38:57
  Yeah, I'm wondering. Oh well you know, maybe the the
• 39:04
  next paragraph Gavin would enlighten you.
• 39:07
  They also show he has a history of DV.
• 39:10
  Because of that, the six year old has been placed into
• 39:13
  emergency care. If he has a history of DV, why
• 39:17
  wasn't why weren't the children? If he has a history of DV, why
• 39:25
  wasn't Mila placed with her father and the other two
• 39:30
  children placed elsewhere with a bed?
• 39:35
  What? The father had not had contact
• 39:41
  with the child since they were six months old.
• 39:42
  He denies any allegations of abuse.
• 39:47
  The community has been mourning 10 year old Amor Wilson and
• 39:50
  eight-year old Mila Chapman. 19 News spoke to the Cleveland
• 39:56
  Metropolitan School District which confirmed both girls were
• 39:58
  enrolled in CMSD for a few months in 20220.
• 40:04
  They haven't been in school either.
• 40:05
  Here's the statement they sent. Amora Wilson and Mila Chapman
• 40:09
  were briefly enrolled in CMSD between August and November
• 40:12
  2022. On November 4th of 22, both
• 40:16
  girls were withdrawn from CMSD and transferred to Ohio Distance
• 40:21
  and Learning Academy. We extend our heartfelt
• 40:24
  condolences to the entire community on the loss of Amor
• 40:28
  and Mila. The Ohio Distance and Electronic
• 40:32
  Learning Academy is a tuition free online public school.
• 40:37
  And by the way, like my son-in-law, our, I should say
• 40:41
  our son-in-law is a graduate of, of an online school.
• 40:49
  It, it worked out really well for him.
• 40:51
  He, I don't need to talk too much about it, but it worked
• 40:55
  really, really well for him. But also, man, it sure does seem
• 40:59
  to be a tool of people wanting to abuse their children to
• 41:04
  unenroll them from, from in person school and enroll them in
• 41:10
  a school where nobody sees them. It is not known who withdrew the
• 41:15
  girls from school. 19 News reached out to the Academy for
• 41:19
  comment but did not hear back on Tuesday.
• 41:21
  On Wednesday, a representative for Ohio Distance and Electronic
• 41:25
  Learning Academy got back to 19 News and said to the said they
• 41:28
  do not have records for Wilson and Chapman.
• 41:31
  They sent us the following statement.
• 41:33
  We were deeply saddened to learn about this tragic situation and
• 41:37
  our thoughts are with everyone impacted.
• 41:39
  After reviewing our records, we can confirm that the students
• 41:42
  you referenced were not enrolled at the Ohio Distance and
• 41:47
  Electronic Learning Academy. Because of federal student
• 41:50
  privacy laws, schools are limited in what information we
• 41:53
  can share regarding student records.
• 41:54
  However, in this case, we can clarify that these students did
• 41:58
  not attend OHDELA. By the way, whoever the editor
• 42:04
  is on this did not do the quotes correctly, but we're but it's
• 42:06
  OK. We're going to move.
• 42:08
  Past that. So that answers that question.
• 42:14
  So the public school was told that they're being enrolled in
• 42:20
  the online school and then they were never enrolled in the
• 42:23
  online school, it appears. OK.
• 42:27
  And then the last article that I have for you, and I know we're
• 42:30
  running a little bit long, but this one from yesterday from
• 42:36
  cleveland.com written by Olivia Mitchell.
• 42:39
  Headline defense dispute unfolds over Cleveland mom accused of
• 42:43
  killing daughters Dateline Cleveland A dispute over who
• 42:47
  should represent a Cleveland woman accused of killing her two
• 42:50
  young daughters played out in court Wednesday as prosecutors
• 42:53
  and the public defender's office clashed over defense
• 42:56
  representation. OK yeah, we know that part.
• 43:03
  We know that part. She's she's in jail on
• 43:06
  $2,000,000 bond. OK.
• 43:08
  Wednesday's hearing centered on whether the Cuyahoga County
• 43:11
  Public Defender's Office should be appointed to represent
• 43:14
  Henderson. Cuyahoga Cuyahoga County Common
• 43:18
  Pleas Judge Shannon Gallagher declined the request and instead
• 43:22
  appointed 2 private defense attorneys, citing a local court
• 43:26
  rule governing how cases are assigned.
• 43:29
  Under the rule, the public defender typically handles cases
• 43:31
  with numbers ending in odd digits, while cases ending in
• 43:35
  even numbers are assigned to private counsel.
• 43:38
  Henderson's case number ends in six Assistant County Prosecutor
• 43:43
  Anna Farraglia. Which should actually be
• 43:48
  Faraglia, but we're in the states, we pronounce that.
• 43:50
  G argued the public defender's office rarely seeks assignment
• 43:54
  in similar cases. The state of Ohio would only
• 43:57
  request that you follow the local rule, Faraglia told the
• 44:01
  court. Faraglia also accused the public
• 44:03
  of defender's office of attempting to poach high profile
• 44:06
  cases, saying the office has tried similar actions in other
• 44:09
  aggravated murder prosecutions. Or maybe they just want the
• 44:13
  experience of defending somebody for murder.
• 44:15
  OK. She referenced the case of
• 44:17
  Bianca. Ellis, who was convicted in
• 44:19
  connection with the 2024 stabbing of three-year old
• 44:22
  Julian Wood inside a Giant Eagle grocery store.
• 44:26
  In that case, defense attorneys argued Ellis was not guilty by
• 44:29
  reason of insanity. Doesn't matter.
• 44:31
  OK, public defender, well, it matters, just doesn't matter to
• 44:35
  what we're talking about. Public Defender Representative
• 44:38
  Ashley Stebbins disputed the poaching accusation, telling the
• 44:41
  judge the office's request was routine when it has been
• 44:44
  involved in related juvenile court matters.
• 44:49
  So they've been involved with his family before.
• 44:55
  Stebbins said the office was involved in an emergency custody
• 44:58
  case for another child connected.
• 45:00
  To Henderson and believed continued representation would
• 45:04
  help maintain consistency. She explained the office
• 45:07
  sometimes seeks appointment in adult court to maintain vertical
• 45:10
  representation, where the same legal team follows a case from
• 45:14
  early proceedings through trial. This is not out of the blue for
• 45:17
  us to ask for a case, Stebbins said.
• 45:19
  Judge Gallagher said, however, that in her more than a decade
• 45:23
  on the bench, she had never been asked by an attorney to be
• 45:26
  assigned to a case in that way. Quote, treating it like any
• 45:29
  other case that I would. I'm going to assign private
• 45:32
  counsel. Gallagher ruled.
• 45:35
  OK, so that is so they will be continued, that she will
• 45:41
  continue to be represented by private counsel.
• 45:45
  Now, there are a couple of other things that we hadn't heard
• 45:50
  before. Police spokesman Wilfredo Diaz
• 45:53
  confirm the bodies were not dismembered.
• 45:57
  We knew before. Henderson has no prior criminal
• 46:00
  record. However, on February 12th, weeks
• 46:03
  before the discovery of the bodies, a neighbor filed A
• 46:05
  stalking complaint against her with Cleveland Police.
• 46:09
  Diaz said the complaint involved a potential menacing offense,
• 46:14
  which is typically a misdemeanor.
• 46:15
  Because Henderson had no criminal record, the case did
• 46:18
  not rise to the level of a felony investigation.
• 46:22
  In situations like that, Diaz said police usually advise the
• 46:27
  complainant they may seek further action through the
• 46:30
  prosecutor's office. In this instance, it does not
• 46:33
  appear the complaint advanced beyond the Police Department.
• 46:37
  Records related to the complaint have been requested by
• 46:39
  cleveland.com and The Plain Dealer.
• 46:42
  So couple more little pieces of information there and let's
• 46:48
  bring up pictures of these beautiful little ones, though
• 46:51
  the picture is years old. And see what you guys are saying
• 46:54
  over in the live chat before we move on.
• 46:59
  Let's see, a Heineman says in Ohio.
• 47:07
  Unwood mothers automatically have full custody of children.
• 47:10
  The father has to pay to vie for custody through the courts.
• 47:12
  I wonder if either father was paying child support.
• 47:15
  I think we we at least it was implied that the one father that
• 47:21
  Mila's father was paying child support.
• 47:26
  Yeah. Danny, I'm with you.
• 47:28
  This is so sad. My heart breaks for the father
• 47:30
  of the 2 girls. 100 percent, 100%.
• 47:34
  Teresa says. Yeah, the system is broken.
• 47:37
  It is. It's really, really hard, Lynn
• 47:41
  Taylor, says Gavin. They hate to split up.
• 47:43
  Families don't have enough help to investigate these situations
• 47:46
  either. Most times, yeah, You know, I am
• 47:51
  familiar. And again, this is a story that
• 47:53
  I'm going to be very vague on because it's not my story really
• 47:58
  to tell. So I'm going to be very vague.
• 47:59
  But I'm familiar with the family who fostered and then adopted
• 48:04
  multiple children, all of whom were half siblings from one
• 48:10
  particular mom. This was in in Pennsylvania.
• 48:16
  And how hard it was to to go through that process because
• 48:23
  each time that mom had another baby and, you know, child and
• 48:30
  Protective Services got children and Youth Services got involved,
• 48:38
  they'd always go to next of kin first, right?
• 48:41
  They just kept going to next of kin because they don't want to
• 48:44
  separate family. But it becomes it becomes so
• 48:47
  extreme that in that case, they're now one big, beautiful,
• 48:51
  happy family. It's it's beautiful.
• 48:54
  But but you're right. Yeah, they they don't like to
• 48:57
  split up families that like to go with next of kin.
• 49:00
  And Oh my goodness, does it take a certain kind of person to work
• 49:05
  and CYSC. PS:.
• 49:07
  Whatever it is in the state that you're that you're in.
• 49:11
  Robin says it's not illegal to be a crappy parent If they're
• 49:15
  that is true. If there's not proof or evidence
• 49:18
  to take the child from a parent that their hands are tied, it
• 49:20
  isn't good, but it's the reality.
• 49:23
  And you know, and and we kind of have to balance.
• 49:29
  What's we we have to balance? There's so much to balance,
• 49:33
  right? I don't want to give Child
• 49:36
  Protective Services too much power, but we learned.
• 49:39
  In which case was it Rebecca Baptiste, right?
• 49:43
  Remember this little one, You know, sometimes we just really
• 49:51
  like, I understand the desire to give Child Protective Services
• 49:56
  and Children of Youth Services more power sometimes because we
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  have cases like Rebecca Baptiste, we have cases like
• 50:03
  Amor and Mila. It's tough, tough.
• 50:09
  Beth also adds probably not enough foster parents either
• 50:12
  yet. And that's another tough thing.
• 50:13
  You know, Kimberly and I, we have a home with room for more
• 50:18
  people. We have the desire to help more
• 50:22
  people. But it, you know, as, as we've
• 50:27
  talked about it, we've also want to protect, wanted to protect
• 50:30
  our kiddos. From being exposed to kind of
• 50:34
  the darker side of things that that happen in this world.
• 50:37
  And there have been a couple times where we've had we've,
• 50:41
  we've had the care of several kids on the short term and just
• 50:47
  the, the drama and just the just, I guess the recognition of
• 50:53
  what else is out there in the world for our little kids was
• 50:56
  too much for us to. Take.
• 50:58
  It takes a very special family to foster man, Robin adds.
• 51:03
  My husband, he's a teacher, said the increase in child, CA, we'll
• 51:10
  call it, rose significantly during COVID and homeschooling.
• 51:14
  It has created better checks and balances to identify abuse in
• 51:17
  homeschool children. I'm glad to hear that.
• 51:20
  Glad to hear that. Well, guys, let's keep our eye
• 51:24
  on this case. I'm I'm very curious what we're
• 51:28
  going to find out about the father of the third child.
• 51:33
  I fear that it's going to be like the one that I told you
• 51:35
  about in Venango County, that there was CA involved in the
• 51:40
  whole thing. Wanda I We need a little
• 51:46
  transition music. Do you have one?
• 51:49
  Do you have one that's maybe Can you sing?
• 51:51
  For us. All right, let's hear it.
• 51:56
  Oh, Wanda. Yeah, Wanda you Wow.
• 52:12
  You know what? Can you?
• 52:14
  Feel it, I can feel it, Wanda crying out loud.
• 52:17
  You've got a beautiful, youthful voice that was amazing.
• 52:21
  Amazing Lynn Indy girl says my oldest daughter has fostered 7
• 52:27
  drug exposed baby and has adopted everyone.
• 52:29
  Their precious blessings will bless her and they are.
• 52:33
  Thank you for sharing that with us guys.
• 52:36
  Let's let's move on to our next segment shall we've been we've
• 52:41
  been out of her Yeah, Wanda does rock Lynn Taylor.
• 52:43
  What a great what a great comment.
• 52:46
  Let's move on to 3. Questions.
• 52:55
  OK, In this segment, guys, we talk basically I answer three of
• 52:59
  your questions. I answer them to the best of my
• 53:02
  ability and I really love the questions where they're
• 53:06
  questions to me, but they could be questions to everyone.
• 53:09
  So, so some of these are that. I think all of these are that
• 53:12
  tonight. So in the in the comments and in
• 53:15
  the live chat, tell me your answers to these questions and
• 53:20
  thank you to the three or four of you who sent in more.
• 53:23
  I was, I was running low. I was running really low.
• 53:26
  So here's the deal. You can send them into
• 53:28
  threequestions@gavinfish.com. I did get one that was like,
• 53:31
  hey, testing to make sure this is the e-mail address.
• 53:34
  Yes, it is the e-mail address threequestions@gavinfish.com.
• 53:38
  Three questions at gavinfish.com.
• 53:40
  It is spelled out THREE. Questions at gavinfish.com I
• 53:46
  will answer the questions truthfully to the best of my
• 53:49
  knowledge. To the best of my ability,
• 53:52
  nothing is off the table, which means, of course, that
• 53:55
  everything is on the table. And that the caveat, though, is
• 54:00
  that I will do them three at a time and I will do them in the
• 54:02
  order in which I see fit because some questions I really like and
• 54:07
  I want to put them to the front of the line.
• 54:09
  I don't know. I'm a, I'm a benevolent question
• 54:12
  dictator. That's.
• 54:13
  What? I am all right guys.
• 54:16
  Question #1 came in from Suzanne and the question is, what was
• 54:23
  your favorite cartoon when you were little?
• 54:27
  Well, I was born in 1975, October the 3rd, and I think the
• 54:34
  the cartoons that I like the best were those quintessentially
• 54:42
  80s cartoons. Of course I did.
• 54:47
  I watched a lot of Warner Brothers stuff, right?
• 54:50
  A lot of Looney Tunes. But the ones that I remember
• 54:55
  being the ones that I loved the most were like Voltron.
• 54:58
  He man mask, GI Joe, those were my favorite.
• 55:03
  Now when I became a teenager. Oh, in fact, when I became a
• 55:07
  teenager in the afternoon, there was.
• 55:12
  A. There was a cartoon that came on
• 55:16
  that was so good that even as like a senior in high school, I
• 55:23
  would stop and I would watch this cartoon.
• 55:25
  Of course this is before DVRS and stuff.
• 55:27
  So I would get home from school and I would watch this cartoon
• 55:31
  before I did anything. And I happened to find these
• 55:34
  toys while I was at my parents place in a box.
• 55:40
  Let me bring them all up here so you guys can see them let's
• 55:45
  let's make a little zoomy zoom. We got pinky and the brain.
• 55:50
  We got good feathers here. I can't remember I can't
• 55:54
  remember the names on this one, but this was animaniacs.
• 55:59
  This was probably this probably became my favorite cartoon of
• 56:03
  all time. I loved good feathers, but Pinky
• 56:06
  and the Brain are the best. And I believe that these toys
• 56:10
  came from probably McDonald's. It's probably in a happy meal or
• 56:15
  something though it doesn't say McDonald's anywhere on it and a
• 56:18
  happy meal or I don't know, Burger King or something like
• 56:22
  that. But these were in a box in my
• 56:24
  parents garage and I grabbed them because I had such fond
• 56:27
  memories. So my favorite cartoon out of
• 56:30
  all of them has to be Animaniacs.
• 56:32
  But those kind of like. Battle cartoons.
• 56:36
  Oh, Robotech, especially Macross City.
• 56:40
  I loved that. Yeah.
• 56:42
  Tell me. Tell me what your favorite
• 56:44
  cartoons were when you were a kiddo.
• 56:47
  Question number two. Favorite Disney movie.
• 56:50
  Oh, my. These are great questions.
• 56:52
  You guys tell me your favorite Disney movie.
• 56:53
  This is from Kelly. Favorite Disney movie?
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  My favorite Disney movie now or growing up?
• 57:03
  I don't. Well, there was one that I
• 57:09
  really loved growing up. It's a Fred Macmurray movie.
• 57:15
  Always loved Fred Macmurray. And it was called Follow Me
• 57:19
  Boys. And it was the tale of Lem
• 57:22
  Siddens, who came to town as a musician and decided I'm staying
• 57:27
  in this town. I want to be a lawyer someday.
• 57:31
  And he puts down roots, and part of those roots are he
• 57:34
  established a boys, a Boy Scouts troop.
• 57:38
  Now, I don't know why I love this so much because I didn't
• 57:40
  love the Boy Scouts when my parents made me do it.
• 57:43
  But I loved the movie. It's called Follow me, boys.
• 57:48
  Vera Miles was in it. Oh, a young Kurt Russell was in
• 57:57
  that movie. Great movie, great movie.
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  To this day now my favorite Disney movie as an old codger.
• 58:06
  It's still an old movie. It's still Fred McMurray,
• 58:09
  actually. And it is the happiest
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  millionaire. I love the happiest.
• 58:14
  Millionaire. It's kind of put on like a put
• 58:17
  on like a stage show. He breaks the 4th wall quite a
• 58:20
  bit and it's got what was. His name was his name Tommy.
• 58:26
  Tomlinson, it's got Lesley Ann Warren, it's got John Davidson,
• 58:30
  it's got, oh, I'm blanking on her name right now.
• 58:36
  Oh, it's it, I'm blanking on her name.
• 58:39
  But well, actually Greer Garson. So it's got Greer Garson.
• 58:45
  And then there are two others that are just actresses of, of
• 58:51
  Broadway fame That, and it's a musical and it's terrific.
• 58:56
  So good. So those are my favorite.
• 58:59
  You guys tell me your favorite Disney movies.
• 59:01
  I I am partial, by the way, to The Little Mermaid, which came
• 59:05
  out when I was a freshman in high school.
• 59:10
  It was just cool to have animated movies back in the
• 59:12
  theater. It was a lot of fun.
• 59:14
  OK, last question. Oh, no, let's see.
• 59:18
  Oh, I I had started on the second question.
• 59:20
  The the last question is, do you have an internal voice?
• 59:25
  Like do I have an internal monologue?
• 59:27
  Yeah, I do. I definitely do.
• 59:30
  I think that's normal. Do all of us have internal
• 59:32
  monologues? I'm monologue to myself all the
• 59:35
  time. I I have conversations.
• 59:38
  I I have dialogues with myself all the time.
• 59:43
  My internal voice is my voice as I hear it.
• 59:47
  It's not the same voice that you hear.
• 59:48
  Because of the whole head transfer function and all that
• 59:51
  stuff. But.
• 59:52
  Yeah, I do have an internal voice.
• 59:55
  So you guys tell me in the chat, do you have an internal voice?
• 59:59
  What was your favorite cartoon when we were little?
• 1:00:01
  And what is your favorite Disney movie?
• 1:00:04
  And while you are working on that, let's move on over, shall
• 1:00:08
  we, to headlines. True crime.
• 1:00:17
  Headlines, Okie, the dokey lot of things happening in the world
• 1:00:22
  of true crime today, guys. Number one, maybe a bit of a
• 1:00:27
  surprise. I mean, it took me by surprise.
• 1:00:29
  The defense in the Cory Richins trial just decided not to call
• 1:00:33
  any witnesses, including Cory Richins.
• 1:00:35
  Now I think it's wise to not call Cory, but wise not to call
• 1:00:41
  witnesses this one. OK, so this is written by Emily
• 1:00:45
  Ashcraft from KSL. Headline testimony concludes in
• 1:00:49
  Cory Richen's murder trial as defense opts to not opts not to
• 1:00:54
  call witnesses. Dateline Park City.
• 1:00:59
  No more witnesses will be called in the Park City murder murder
• 1:01:02
  trial for Cory Richen's a Camus mother accused of fatally
• 1:01:06
  poisoning her husband. I think technically she's a
• 1:01:08
  Francis mother, but that's OK. Prosecutors rested their case
• 1:01:13
  shortly before a lunch break on Thursday.
• 1:01:16
  This day, this very day, today. And Richen's attorney then moved
• 1:01:21
  for a ruling that there was insufficient evidence for a
• 1:01:24
  reasonable jury to convict Richen's.
• 1:01:26
  This is standard, right? In fact, they say in the story,
• 1:01:29
  a standard motion made in many trials after the prosecution
• 1:01:32
  presents its evidence. The judge denied the motion for
• 1:01:35
  a directed verdict. After the break, defense
• 1:01:37
  attorneys announced that they will not call any witnesses.
• 1:01:41
  Cory Richens formally waived her right to testify.
• 1:01:45
  Jurors were instructed to return Monday morning to hear closing
• 1:01:48
  arguments and instructions before beginning deliberations.
• 1:01:55
  Let's see. The lead detective in the case
• 1:01:58
  wrapped up testimony for the prosecution Thursday morning.
• 1:02:01
  A witness and prosecutors earlier told jurors that some
• 1:02:05
  memes were accessed on Richard's phone on the morning that her
• 1:02:08
  husband died. Including one with Donald Trump
• 1:02:11
  saying I'm really rich, one with a man that said idiots, idiots
• 1:02:15
  everywhere, and another with a woman using money to wipe her
• 1:02:18
  eyes. Wow.
• 1:02:24
  An investigator who previously reviewed her phone testified
• 1:02:27
  that he couldn't say who had sent those memes or whether
• 1:02:31
  Richens herself had viewed them that morning on her phone.
• 1:02:34
  But the images had been viewed on her phone at 8:29 AM that
• 1:02:38
  day, so. Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  So the question. Is what what the what the
• 1:02:46
  defense is banking on is that jurors will go.
• 1:02:51
  They didn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she killed
• 1:02:53
  her husband. And in closing arguments, I'm
• 1:02:57
  sure that's what the argument is going to be.
• 1:02:58
  Yes, Eric Richins is dead. Yes, he took, he died from
• 1:03:02
  fentanyl poisoning. Yes, he obviously ingested it,
• 1:03:06
  but who gave it to him? Nobody saw my client do it.
• 1:03:11
  There's no evidence linking it, linking her to it that that's
• 1:03:16
  what their argument is going to be.
• 1:03:17
  Now, I noticed that Pat Bert Long over in the fish tank was
• 1:03:21
  making this very argument. It was really good.
• 1:03:26
  If you guys aren't on the fish tank, shout out to Pat Long
• 1:03:31
  Bert. I always do that.
• 1:03:31
  Bert Long. Pat Long Bert who said after all
• 1:03:35
  the sidebars, interruptions, objections and just plain
• 1:03:38
  rudeness, the defense said they had a couple of choices for
• 1:03:40
  witnesses today. And then out of nowhere, the
• 1:03:43
  defense rested. You can bet they're throwing in
• 1:03:46
  the towel because they totally believe they have enough to
• 1:03:48
  appeal and win that appeal and either get Corey acquitted,
• 1:03:52
  acquitted or at the least a new trial.
• 1:03:56
  So I, I think that's an interesting take.
• 1:03:59
  I think Pat is has her finger on the pulse.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, so I I agree that that is probably what's happening.
• 1:04:07
  I'd love to hear your thoughts on that headline #2.
• 1:04:13
  This is this is tangential to this tangential.
• 1:04:20
  We're going to we're going to go on a tangent.
• 1:04:26
  This written by Emily Crane in the New York Post.
• 1:04:31
  Key reason ex FBI agent think oh wait a minute, this is the wrong
• 1:04:34
  one. I have opened the wrong one.
• 1:04:37
  Give me a second. Give me a moment.
• 1:04:46
  There we go. Let's grab this one.
• 1:04:50
  OK. Lead investigator Nancy Guthrie.
• 1:04:53
  Case Sheriff Chris Nanos. Forced to explain, Fudged.
• 1:04:55
  Resume leaving first policing job in disgrace.
• 1:04:59
  Written by Alex Olivera for the New York Post.
• 1:05:02
  Again, tangential, right? But I thought I'd bring it up.
• 1:05:06
  The Arizona sheriff leading the investigation into Nancy
• 1:05:09
  Guthrie's disappearance resigned from his very first policing job
• 1:05:13
  to avoid being fired over embarrassing blunders and posted
• 1:05:16
  a resume online that fudged the dates of his employment.
• 1:05:20
  Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos stepped down from the El Paso
• 1:05:23
  Police Department in 1982 after racking up a laundry list of
• 1:05:27
  infractions ranging from excessive force to off duty
• 1:05:30
  gambling to improperly using his siren and simple tardiness, The
• 1:05:35
  Arizona Republic reported. Those missteps, including an
• 1:05:39
  allegation that he kicked a suspect in the head so badly
• 1:05:42
  they were hospitalized, landed Nanos with 37 days of unpaid
• 1:05:46
  leave in the early 80s and resulted in him finally being
• 1:05:50
  told to either step down or get canned, according to the outlet.
• 1:05:55
  He took the resignation option but messed up the dates in his
• 1:05:59
  publicly posted resume, which stated that he remained with the
• 1:06:02
  El Paso department until 1984, two years longer than he was
• 1:06:06
  there, the local paper reported. The Sheriff's Office
• 1:06:10
  acknowledged the inaccuracy, calling it another misdate and
• 1:06:14
  another misdate, clerical errors that had been corrected.
• 1:06:17
  But Nanos himself bristled and brushed off when pressed.
• 1:06:20
  That's your urgent request. This is a quote you sure you
• 1:06:25
  don't want to go back to my high school and ask why I got swats
• 1:06:28
  from the principal. Good luck with your hit piece.
• 1:06:30
  He told the Republic. So I'm not going to continue the
• 1:06:33
  rest of the story. But yeah for those in the I
• 1:06:39
  don't like Chris Nanos camp and and I'm not in either camp.
• 1:06:42
  I don't love him. I don't hate him.
• 1:06:43
  I don't care he just I I think that there are problems think
• 1:06:48
  there are problems with the investigation there.
• 1:06:51
  But but yeah, there's there's a little more ammo.
• 1:06:55
  And then lastly for headlines, this is actually a pretty long
• 1:07:01
  piece from CNN. We're not going to read the
• 1:07:04
  whole thing. This written by Allison Gordon,
• 1:07:07
  Thomas Bordeaux, Kun Law and Scott Glover.
• 1:07:13
  CNN investigation missing teenager.
• 1:07:15
  Repeatedly appeared in David's orbit before her body was found,
• 1:07:19
  and I'm glad that this is being kept.
• 1:07:22
  In the public's attention, we know that he is a person of
• 1:07:25
  interest. His family has been called to
• 1:07:28
  the grand jury. They tried to get out of it, but
• 1:07:33
  I'm glad that that they're officially putting it out there.
• 1:07:35
  Dateline is Los Angeles in the summer of 2024, a budding
• 1:07:39
  musical sensation known to his legion of most of the young
• 1:07:41
  fans. As David D4D4VD.
• 1:07:46
  Posted on social media that he was experiencing a case of
• 1:07:49
  writer's block quote. I'm in a song crisis right now,
• 1:07:52
  the entertainer, then 19, lamented on Discord.
• 1:07:55
  Within minutes, one of his followers on the popular
• 1:07:57
  platform offered an oddly specific suggestion.
• 1:08:01
  Drop the one with the missing girl, Celeste Rivas Hernandez,
• 1:08:05
  the anonymous user, wrote, referring to a 13 year old
• 1:08:09
  runaway. Whose face was plastered on
• 1:08:10
  missing person posters at the time.
• 1:08:13
  The message went unaddressed by the singer, whose full name is
• 1:08:16
  David Anthony Burke. But the cryptic, seemingly
• 1:08:18
  taunting post has since emerged as an intriguing nugget in
• 1:08:23
  connection with a grand jury investigation in which
• 1:08:25
  prosecutors have deemed Burke a target.
• 1:08:29
  That's because about a year after the post mentioning Rivas,
• 1:08:32
  her dismembered and decomposed body was discovered in the trunk
• 1:08:36
  of Burke's. Tesla, which we all know
• 1:08:40
  following the grisly discovery in September, Burke cancelled
• 1:08:44
  his world tour. Authorities have been tight
• 1:08:47
  lipped. Interest in the case, meanwhile,
• 1:08:51
  has exploded on the Internet and then ACNN.
• 1:08:53
  Investigation based on an extensive review of social media
• 1:08:57
  postings both by and about Burke, as well as more than a
• 1:09:00
  dozen interviews, found that Rivas repeatedly appeared in
• 1:09:03
  Burke's orbit before she before and after she was reported
• 1:09:07
  missing for the first time in February of 2024.
• 1:09:10
  There's a link to this article in the description below.
• 1:09:16
  I suggest that you read it because it is a very good in
• 1:09:21
  depth investigative piece. So check it out.
• 1:09:29
  I'm I'm going to stop it there, but check it out.
• 1:09:31
  The link is in the description and I am keeping a very close
• 1:09:36
  eye on searching every day for news about the Celeste Rivas
• 1:09:41
  Hernandez case and I'm hoping that we will find out soon.
• 1:09:46
  Those are your headlines. Okie dokie, let's go to a couple
• 1:09:59
  more comments before we call it a night.
• 1:10:02
  A Heineman says Gavin is a school psych in Ohio.
• 1:10:05
  I've had to report more than once.
• 1:10:06
  I've had to report more than once a foster parents for, let's
• 1:10:11
  say, CA. I've been.
• 1:10:13
  I've seen roadside advertisements for foster
• 1:10:15
  parents. Low bar, Sadly, yeah.
• 1:10:20
  Oh wow. Tough.
• 1:10:22
  Wanda does rock. Wanda is the best.
• 1:10:26
  Barb says. My favorite cartoon is the
• 1:10:29
  Flintstones. Lynn says Speed Racer.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah, that's a good one. Let's see, my favorite cartoon
• 1:10:36
  says Miss Chivo's Dragon was also Speed Racer.
• 1:10:40
  Awesome. Speed Racer was a little before
• 1:10:42
  my time, but my older sister and brothers loved it.
• 1:10:46
  Fourth Opinion also was all about Speed Racer.
• 1:10:49
  Archangel says Pinky in the Brain was great.
• 1:10:52
  Yeah, they got their own show eventually that was just Pinky
• 1:10:56
  in the Brain, but it wasn't as good as their segment on
• 1:10:58
  Animaniacs, Robin says. I loved the non politically
• 1:11:04
  correct episodes of Warner Brothers cartoons.
• 1:11:06
  Yes indeed, Animaniacs was rad. scooby-doo.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah, I like scooby-doo too. Not as not as much as the the
• 1:11:14
  shoot em up ones. Barb says best Disney movie or
• 1:11:18
  favorite Disney movie is Mary Poppins.
• 1:11:20
  That is a great one. Faux Show Academy Award winner
• 1:11:25
  Autumn loved Thumbelina and Teresa loved Yogi Bear.
• 1:11:29
  So you were a fan of the Hanna Barbera offerings?
• 1:11:34
  Same thing with Flintstones, right?
• 1:11:35
  Garth B Nutt, Danny Hall says Flintstones and scooby-doo.
• 1:11:41
  Robin. Yes, Yogi Bear and Boo Boo too.
• 1:11:45
  Barb says I have the happiest millionaire record.
• 1:11:48
  Loved that movie. Jules and me loved The Smurfs
• 1:11:51
  and Looney Tunes. Let's see, favorite Disney movie
• 1:11:56
  Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, Jenny says.
• 1:12:00
  My daughter just performed in The Little Mermaid for her High
• 1:12:03
  School Musical. That's awesome.
• 1:12:05
  That is awesome, Barb says. Fred McMurray made a lot of
• 1:12:09
  Disney movies when I was growing up.
• 1:12:11
  I was born in 61. Yeah, let's see, Danny, says
• 1:12:18
  Gavin, you're making me feel old.
• 1:12:20
  My granddaughter loved Ariel Lynn Taylor, says Monsters Inc.
• 1:12:24
  That is a great one. That is a great one.
• 1:12:28
  Beth Pepper is my favorite movie.
• 1:12:30
  Somewhere in Time with Christopher Reeves.
• 1:12:32
  That is a terrific movie. And that is the movie that
• 1:12:35
  introduced me to Rachmaninoff. I love that movie.
• 1:12:40
  I love Jane Seymour. I love Christopher Plummer.
• 1:12:42
  That is a terrific movie and Christopher Reeve was amazing in
• 1:12:48
  it. It's not Disney, she continues.
• 1:12:50
  But I love that movie. I guess my favorite Disney movie
• 1:12:52
  would be The Lion King. Not sure if Avatar is a Disney
• 1:12:56
  flick. Yeah, I think it is.
• 1:12:58
  I think it is, right? No, no, no Avatar.
• 1:13:00
  I don't. I don't think it is, anyway.
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  Strong little Mama, The Smurfs, Lady and the Tramp, Hamilton.
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  I do have an inner dialogue and lately it's been reminding me
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  how many days before spring break.
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  I teach 7th grade language arts. Awesome Jewels and me.
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  I'm before Disney. Really scary movies.
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  Friday the 13th I spit on your grave.
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  Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Pumpkinhead, Last House on the
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  left. Nightmare on Elm Street.
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  To this day I have not seen Nightmare on Elm Street.
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  I I went to school on Elm Street in Orangevale, CA Yeah, I did.
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  I'm like, now I'm second guessing myself.
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  Is Louis Pasteur Middle School and it was on Elm Street.
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  And the I, I just know the whole idea just scared me.
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  I, I, I did not watch it. I'm not going to do it.
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  Ohio Palm. Mom, not a cartoon, but I
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  remember watching Johnny Sacco and his flying robot.
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  Yeah, yeah. Natalie getting getting us back
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  on track. I'm confused how there wouldn't
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  have been evidence of neglect. Wouldn't CPS ask for proof of
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  school attendance and see they weren't enrolled for years?
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  You'd think you'd think so. Tough, tough, tough.
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  Spain is in the house. Thanks for being here, Beth
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  says. I love Jaws, Grease, Somewhere
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  in Time, Dirty Dancing. My grandson says Avatar is
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  through Nickelodeon. Well, yeah, that Avatar I, I was
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  Avatar is terrific all my and it is a Nickelodeon joint and.
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  One of the best cartoons ever made.
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  What's the follow up on it I'm trying to remember the name of?
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  It's also very good, was it Korra?
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  The legend of Korra? Oh, they're so good, So good.
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