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The Olsen Twins · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey, tolerators, This is to all the men I've tolerated before.
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  Speaker 1: With Natley Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. This week,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by new friend of the pod, Margaret,
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  Speaker 1: host of Smash Hit, a podcast that covers a lot
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  Speaker 1: of episodes of the show Smashed, but has started to
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  Speaker 1: dive into other pop culture smash hits. Hopefully, by now
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  Speaker 1: you have listened to my episode where we covered Sirens
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  Speaker 1: and I rewrote the ending. I just took that upon
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  Speaker 1: myself to be like, it would have been better if
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  Speaker 1: this had happened. After telling Margaret I loved the show,
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  Speaker 1: would have watched fifty five seasons of the show, but
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  Speaker 1: I would have also rewrote, rewritten. But we're not here
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Sirens. We're here to talk about nineties
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  Speaker 1: the finest basically have disappeared off the face of the earth,
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  Speaker 1: the Ulsin Twins, and how misogyny colored their movies, their career,
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  Speaker 1: and everything that happened afterwards. Welcome to the show, Margaret.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Natalie, this is so fun
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  Speaker 2: and I'm so excited to dive into Mary, Kate and Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because this was your idea, Because while I was
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  Speaker 1: a girl in the nineties, So of course I've watched
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  Speaker 1: all the Mary Kate and Ashley movies, and honestly, looking
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  Speaker 1: at that secret Google drive that if you DM me,
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you how to get of all the movies,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I really did watch more
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  Speaker 1: than It takes two and two of a kind, like
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  Speaker 1: those are my cultural pinpoints of the Ulsen Twins.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I watched all, I think every single one
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  Speaker 2: of them until I felt like I had mature out
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  Speaker 2: of Mary Kate and Nashley movie. So I never saw
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  Speaker 2: New York Minute, which was I think supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: their big foray in the feature films that got completely
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  Speaker 2: panned by the critics. So at the time I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I am above this. I'm not going to watch this.
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  Speaker 2: But I love an Olsen twin cameo in Weeds, which
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  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite shows of all times.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about that cameo.
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  Speaker 2: Of all time. Forgive me for not speaking English correctly,
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  Speaker 2: but let me. I always mix up who it was.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say, if I'm going to get s,
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  Speaker 2: who do you think it was? Let's figure out who
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  Speaker 2: he was. I think it was Mary Kate. I think
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  Speaker 2: so too. So it was it was Mary Kate who
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  Speaker 2: did an arc as one of Silas's girlfriends, and she
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  Speaker 2: was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have to rewatch Weeds because it's
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  Speaker 1: actually a comp I have written down for the pilot
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  Speaker 1: that I am currently getting notes on and pretending to
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  Speaker 1: not hate myself over. So I need to watch Weeds
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  Speaker 1: because it would give me a lot of inspiration about
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  Speaker 1: how to do crime. But funny, because Weeds was playing until.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't hysterical. It completely jumps the shark. But it
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  Speaker 2: is a comfort watch for me, Like my husband knows
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  Speaker 2: that I've got like a rotation of maybe four shows
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  Speaker 2: and at some point I'm just doing a comfort watch
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  Speaker 2: and Weeds is probably every eighteen months to two years,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing a Weeds binge.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I'm gonna do it. But talk about
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  Speaker 1: misogyny within someone's career. When you said in a New
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  Speaker 1: York Minute, I immediately flashed towards that was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that they used the bit with those girls that
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  Speaker 1: one of them accidentally gets naked and like covered with
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  Speaker 1: a towel or something, And.
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  Speaker 2: I think this. I think also they were eighteen when
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  Speaker 2: they filmed it, and also when it went up on
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  Speaker 2: the theater screen, so you had all that sort of
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  Speaker 2: like ickiness too that everyone was just excited to see,
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  Speaker 2: Like what was it like when they're on the big
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  Speaker 2: screen as opposed to like.
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  Speaker 1: Straight to me, yes and what? And their eighteenth birthday
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  Speaker 1: was also a horrific countdown online for perverts. Yeah, which
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  Speaker 1: I think my blood just boils over because Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to think I'm so out of touch when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to like teen television. Also, it doesn't really count
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  Speaker 1: for teen television because they're all twenty seven years old
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  Speaker 1: playing teens we like.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe this is why, and maybe this is why,
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  Speaker 2: Like I know that nWo one, oh, like this hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been done before nine o two and oh they were
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  Speaker 2: all like thirty and playing eighteen year olds. But I
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  Speaker 2: do definitely feel like there's they do they like. The
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  Speaker 2: biggest one I'm thinking of is Maggottie Grace when she'd
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  Speaker 2: taken And I understand probably you wanted someone mature who
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  Speaker 2: could understand the subject matter, but I think she was
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  Speaker 2: between twenty five and twenty seven when she did that,
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  Speaker 2: and she was playing an eighteen year old girl.
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  Speaker 1: All of the actor on Ginny and Georgia have like
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  Speaker 1: three years shy, like they're all surrounding twenty five by
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  Speaker 1: two or three years, if not five, like, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like but also I'm like, now that we've had things
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  Speaker 1: like the Nickelodeon documentary YEP, which it's terrible that I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember the name of that horrific documentary Quiet on
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  Speaker 1: Set that I watched twice because I watched it in
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  Speaker 1: my own home, went to my sister's house and she said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't finished it, and I was like, oh.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't even watch it. I listened to podcasts about it,
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  Speaker 2: but I couldn't bring myself to actually watch it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like now I don't know where I fall
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  Speaker 1: on whether or not children should have jobs on sets,
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  Speaker 1: like should And then I'm like, well, do we just
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  Speaker 1: stop telling stories where a seven year old is present?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 2: That is true, and the Psychical Pop podcast did a
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  Speaker 2: really good recap of I think it was on ID
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  Speaker 2: channel where it's like the Demons of Hollywood. So there
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: was Stephen Collins, but then there were a few episodes
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  Speaker 2: that were specifically about child stars and one is a Lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: One is a psychologist, and they discussed the dynamic of
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  Speaker 2: when the child actor is the breadwinner for the family,
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  Speaker 2: that that's when things immediately go south. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's why we see the Olsen twins as the complete
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  Speaker 2: polar opposite of that, and why I think they've been
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  Speaker 2: able to be free from all of this and are
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  Speaker 2: in obscurity doing probably fabulous things that we'll never know
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  Speaker 2: about because their parents were professionals who also knew how
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  Speaker 2: to get lawyers, knew how to get agents, knew how
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  Speaker 2: to advocate for their two kids, so that way they
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  Speaker 2: were put in vulnerable positions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like how Britney Spearers had a completely different
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  Speaker 1: fame experience than Taylor Swift, both very colored by misogyny
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  Speaker 1: and grossness and capitalism. But at least Taylor's family was
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  Speaker 1: privileged enough and at a financial point enough where they
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  Speaker 1: could maintain a lot of the power of her career
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  Speaker 1: while also not leeching off.
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  Speaker 2: Of her right and also obviously complete tinfoil hat. But
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  Speaker 2: I also wonder just because Mary Kata and Ashley predate
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  Speaker 2: Taylor like by a smidge, and I do remember interviews
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  Speaker 2: with Olton twins when they were young, like five or
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  Speaker 2: six years old talking about their parents and the limits
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  Speaker 2: that their parents have. That for parents in the nineties
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  Speaker 2: considering having their children in the entertainment business, were Taylor's
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  Speaker 2: parents looking to Mary Kata Nashley's parents thinking, Okay, they
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  Speaker 2: did this right. How can we set this up?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope so. And as someone who is
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  Speaker 1: very excited for the Apple TV version of I'm Glad
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  Speaker 1: My Mom Died starring Jennifer Aniston and as Jeanette mccurty's
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  Speaker 1: mom in case everyone isn't on top of that, I
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  Speaker 1: hope that at some point that we start seeing more
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  Speaker 1: stories of parents who tried their best to do it
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  Speaker 1: right instead of sensationalizing the Mama June's and the Dina lowhand,
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  Speaker 1: the Leina lowhands, the Dina lowhands, and you know, Billy
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  Speaker 1: Ray Cyrus is gross and right obviously, Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, I wonder if they like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there are people that you can study up on. The
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  Speaker 1: problem is is that it's so quiet when it's done
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  Speaker 1: in a non abusive way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true, And I am with you. I
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  Speaker 2: would love a documentary about the Olsen twins. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know what their parents look like. I would
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  Speaker 2: love to be able to have them sit down and
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  Speaker 2: talk about this is how we did it, this is
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  Speaker 2: why we did it, because I think that would be
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  Speaker 2: particularly now with influencers monetizing their children on TikTok and
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  Speaker 2: Instagram and YouTube. I really think there needs to be
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  Speaker 2: a cultural shift back to what the Olsen.
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  Speaker 1: Parents did correct. And I think it's so wild that, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: with I Carly and the entire cast of I Carly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, those are Nickelodeon kids, And then with like Lizzie,
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Duff and all of the Lizzie McGuire kids, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: those are Disney kids. But when I sit down to
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  Speaker 1: think about the Olsen Twins, I'm like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what studio was producing those movies.
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  Speaker 2: It was I believe it was. It was Dual Star,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a parent company that I believe the
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  Speaker 2: parents set up for them.
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  Speaker 1: So there we go.
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  Speaker 2: So they had complete creative control over everything at all times.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank god, because I do like when I think
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  Speaker 1: of the music video for Brother for Sale, it looks
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  Speaker 1: it looks like something I could have filmed on my
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  Speaker 1: camcorder in the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: It was probably filmed in their backyard.
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  Speaker 1: And to think that it all started as them being
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  Speaker 1: infants who were being swapped out for Michelle Tanner on
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  Speaker 1: the most wholesome TV show in the world, Full House.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think I think one of the
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  Speaker 1: better things that the Olsen twins did as they got
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  Speaker 1: older is when they were tired of it, they kind
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  Speaker 1: of went into hiding. And it's very hard to get
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  Speaker 1: to see an Olsen twin in the wild at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm worried that it's actually like a recluse situation
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  Speaker 1: where they just feel like they can't be outside and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, Like, these girls see the sun,
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  Speaker 1: but they have their clothing brand. I truly I think
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  Speaker 1: I have no pinpoint on what they're doing currently. Like
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at up tiktoks and stuff and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize that Mary Kate had an actual public drug
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  Speaker 1: problem that center to rehab.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think Ashley has a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Yes, a secret baby, which I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime anyone has a secret baby, I am like, hallelujah,
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  Speaker 2: that is spectacular.
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  Speaker 1: Good for you, right, you just show up one day
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  Speaker 1: at a Chili's with the baby and someone says, this is.
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  Speaker 2: My baby, Yeah, this is my baby. Going back. Duel
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  Speaker 2: Star Is Privately was a privately held American company owned
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  Speaker 2: by Mary Kate and Ashley Oh.
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  Speaker 1: My god entrepreneurs.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember their Walmart like hair hair accessory line?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I do, yes, yes, yeah, okay, yes.
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  Speaker 2: We are like completely in sync with like all these
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  Speaker 2: like touchstone moments of childhood that ultimately lead back to
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  Speaker 2: Mary Kaya Ashley.
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  Speaker 1: I tried so hard to have their highlights and the
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  Speaker 1: bowl shape of their hair, like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had wavy hair, so anytime I tried to
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  Speaker 2: replicate anything that they did with their hair, it never
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  Speaker 2: worked out. And I also was so jealous of the
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  Speaker 2: way they could wear too tops, yes, just because they
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  Speaker 2: had the bodies for tubtops. I never had the body
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  Speaker 2: for a tubetop, and they just were always prance and
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  Speaker 2: around to their tubtops and I was so jealous.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god. The other day at the movie
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  Speaker 1: I saw a woman she was younger than me, a teen,
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  Speaker 1: a twenty, I won't know, and she was wearing a
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure tubetop and sweatpant combo, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is that that yond?
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  Speaker 2: That's so great.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, can I go to a Tommy Hill
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  Speaker 1: figure right now? It get a bit dazzled tubed up
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  Speaker 1: with the American flag. Oh so was it the dazzled Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it had like a sequino American flag on it. Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: I was envisioning like a Chris White plane plane plane
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  Speaker 2: tube top and then like plane plane plane race wetpants,
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  Speaker 2: which I think would slap but it sounds like maybe
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  Speaker 2: this was a little bit trash here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was navy with like a be dazzled American
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  Speaker 1: flag on it, but like a subtle sequined American flag,
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  Speaker 1: and then like Camel's sweatpants with a drawstring.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Honestly, one of the things that we talked about
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  Speaker 1: when we were like we need to please let me
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  Speaker 1: come on and do the Lcent Twins, which I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're so mysterious. Is this idea of us growing up
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  Speaker 1: watching these movies and getting a very perfected, bubblegum pop
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  Speaker 1: version of girlhood and that stark contrast of what their
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  Speaker 1: movie showed despite what you and I went through as
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  Speaker 1: part of girlhood and then eventually Mary, Kate and Ashley
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  Speaker 1: went through as women.
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  Speaker 2: Mm h, yeah, I think when I when it first
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  Speaker 2: popped into my head because I saw the reel that
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  Speaker 2: you had made about like perspective guests and what you're
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  Speaker 2: thinking about that I had such a warped perception from
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  Speaker 2: i'd say maybe eleven years old, thinking that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to the beaches of Michigan for a week,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to come back with a boyfriend, because that's
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  Speaker 2: what Mary Kay and Ashley did, Like they just go
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  Speaker 2: anywhere in any of these movies and end up with
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  Speaker 2: a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: And romance should be the number one thing on my mind.
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  Speaker 1: I should have a vacation plane instead of I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: seeing the sights or reading, yeah, or doing.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoying the enjoying the beach, enjoying time with my sister
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  Speaker 2: exactly that.
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  Speaker 1: It just and.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting. And as I told you, I was
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  Speaker 2: watching Holiday in the Sun before I knew about the
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  Speaker 2: secret Google Drive. So I was watching it in literally
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  Speaker 2: like twenty second, three minute clips, and I got to
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  Speaker 2: the point where like, I'm not gonna try to piece
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  Speaker 2: this together anymore. I'm just gonna watch all these different
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  Speaker 2: clips and whatnot. And there's this one clip where and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know which Witchelson twin it was, and which
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  Speaker 2: like romance it was. But they're at they're at Atlantis
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  Speaker 2: and the Bahamas and the guys talking to her, and
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  Speaker 2: she's supposed to be I think, like the more complicated twin,
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  Speaker 2: because remember that there was always the one that was
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  Speaker 2: sort of like that perfect archetype, and then there was
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  Speaker 2: the complicated one, and then I think they always sort
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  Speaker 2: of played that role, and then as they got older,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, let's switch and they kind of switched
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  Speaker 2: it up as to like who would play which roll.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy, I think they're supposed to be sixteen
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  Speaker 2: in this movie, maybe even fifteen. And the guy was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: people like you know, like people like to fix up
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  Speaker 2: old houses or go bike riding. You're my hobby. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? Who was saying this as
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  Speaker 2: like a seventeen year old guy, And that is so
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  Speaker 2: like you just met this you not even a woman,
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  Speaker 2: but you literally just about each other, And why are
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  Speaker 2: you talking.
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  Speaker 1: About this not you're by hobby?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well said it to you.
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  Speaker 1: There's also the one where they go to Paris and like,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know Pastport to Paris, Passport to Paris, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you thought of European men as a
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  Speaker 1: young girl during girlhood, but I was like, man, European
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  Speaker 1: men come on strong, because they just like slabber all
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  Speaker 1: over you and follow you from cafe to cafe shouting
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  Speaker 1: compliments and yeah no.
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  Speaker 2: I spent an extensive time in Italy between my freshmen
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  Speaker 2: and sophomore year of college, and I will say I
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  Speaker 2: was I was pretty hot at that time. Like it
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  Speaker 2: happened a little bit, but what I envisioned was that
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  Speaker 2: there'd be a literal parade following me at all times
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  Speaker 2: as I walked around the piazza.
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  Speaker 1: That does not happen, but passport to Paris space she
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  Speaker 1: believed that it happens every The Lizzie McGuire movie makes
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  Speaker 1: you believe that is exactly what happens. That they're so
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  Speaker 1: en hammered with American women that they just follow you
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  Speaker 1: around on your trips.
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  Speaker 2: Or the other thing that just kind of blew my mind.
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  Speaker 2: Number One, I always wanted to go to Atlantis in
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  Speaker 2: the nineties because of Holiday in the Sun, and now
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  Speaker 2: that I'm old and have read reviews about how like
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  Speaker 2: dingy it is, I feel like I missed that window
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  Speaker 2: to go when it was like Camelot of the Sea
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  Speaker 2: and now it's not. But there was a scene with
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  Speaker 2: Megan Fox and they're in the team club where there's
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  Speaker 2: like a DJ and there's one hundred teens all hanging
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  Speaker 2: out and dancing in this team club at Atlantis. Again
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  Speaker 2: like who are all these teens? Why are the whole thing?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if maybe maybe that's like how
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it was, And the oldsen Twins were a little bit
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: older than us, so I think when you and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: went on our vacations with our parents, we were not
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  Speaker 2: like going anywhere with a team club. But I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about it now as a parent of like someone getting
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  Speaker 2: into girlhood and tweenhood, and I'm like, hell, no, there
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  Speaker 2: is no way that you are ever going unsupervised in
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  Speaker 2: the Bahamas at some tween club.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. No, And I think like it's a very because like,
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  Speaker 1: is it Atlantis basically just a cruise on land like
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: So there's like the water park and fish and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely it's like it's like a casino on land,
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  Speaker 2: cruise on land exactly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the teen tween club is something that
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  Speaker 1: only happens on cruise ships.
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  Speaker 2: And I just was on a cruise for Christmas, and
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  Speaker 2: they're they're like the tea the tweens, and teens don't
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: want to be in the teen club because they think
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that that's late.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, everything about teen anything geared to teen
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: is lame. But yeah, and just the idea. Also, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: think what the Olsen Twin movies also set up for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: me because it was this person in my life who
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was like introducing me to the Olsen Twin movies and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: had all of them, and that was her hyper focus
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: was the pretty perfect friends and everyone else like Mary,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Kate and Ashley were always the hot friends. And then
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: they'd have a gaggle of I don't want to use
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the word diverse, but like different friends who were probably
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like made sense for them to be friends with. But
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: also we weren't pulling the guys either, like they weren't
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: pulling attention away from the Olsen Twins.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what made Holiday and the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Sun stand out to me so much over the other
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: movies is that for the first time they actually had
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: competition for the guys. And it's Megan Fox who even
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: like pre plastic surgery, pre anything, is just completely studying.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to do a deep dive on
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: everything that we put Megan Fox through during her fame,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and what Brian Austin Green put her through, and just
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: all of it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I got into podcasts just to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: kind of learn and listen because I love pop culture.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And when you and I grew up, particularly in the nineties,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: like a sick day for us was you had your
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Oprah in the morning, then you took a little rest,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you had the Prices right then you had your lunch,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and then it was time for Jenny Jones and The
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: moriy Show, like all of these spectacular pieces of entertainment.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But so I was always drawn to it, but I
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily know like the underbelly of it. And I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: feel like because of podcasts, I'm able to learn about
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the underbelly. And I think the Olsen Twins led the
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: way with this of and they were very tactful in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: how they said it that I think had they have
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: done said some of the things or done some of
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the interviews as a starlet now versus when they did it,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: they could have just been blatantly like canceled, kind of
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: like how Catherine Heigel was for a while when she
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: set limits and said, you know what, you're not going
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to treat me like crap. But the Olsen twins are
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: famous for saying, Noah's a full sentence. We're eighteen years
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: old now, if we don't want to do something, we're
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: not going to do it. And I think even at
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the time people were like, oh, that's so brady, they're
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: so ungrateful, blah blah blah. But now, like Go Go Girls,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that is amazing that they felt comfortable saying that out
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: loud to like, you know, David Letterman, and that they
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: they had just sort of like reached that point of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: like what they sort of wanted to do in the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: entertainment business. That they were like what I like, if
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: you if you're mad at us, you're mad. And that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: ties back to like Megan Fox who said the same thing,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: like Michael Bay's a dick, and she was the one
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that was willing to say that and then she got
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: canceled for a bit. But now that it's okay and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: people are able to sort of like pull back that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: curtain a bit, I'm just so grateful that there is
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: this dialogue for people to see that, like now some
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of these like men in power in Hollywood are like
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: they are not They're not all that, and they're dangerous.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It has to come from owning so much of your
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: entertainment work and having your parents run your entertainment company
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: because they were so insular to everyone else's version of fame.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So like Amanda Vines was never going to tell David Letterman,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not answering that you're gross, but like Mary Kay
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and Ashley would because number one, they're probably not used
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to gross men being involved in their career because their
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: parents are hiring everybody or they're vetting everybody.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm going back to my theory. I think Andrea.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I think Andrea and Scott. I think they had a
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: blueprint and this is what they use because now look
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: at Taylor Swift owning all her masters again.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Andrew and Scott call in in my head,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: am I envisioning the couple from uh two of a Kind? Yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but that's about what you look like. And now I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: think about Elizabeth Olsen, the youngest One, love her, love
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: her Wanda vision is perfect television. You cannot convince me otherwise.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And she was perfect as Wanda Maxima. But how she
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: had no problem telling press Marvel will call if they'll call,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and if not, okay, when everyone is so thirsty for
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: their mind, I mean, Robert Downey Junior is going back
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to play a whole new guy, right.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And here's the other piece of it. That again, as
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: someone who just was ferociously consuming entertainment media when I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: was younger and then got into public relations early on
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: in my career and had stuff that was sort of
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: adjacent to celebrity, not realizing that for the most part,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of celebrities can just go on and live
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: their day. They can go to Arawon, they can go
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to Gelson's, they can go to lunch, they can go shopping,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they can go to the hospital to pick up their mom.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That I always just assumed that there were and there
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: are there's There are certain people like Britney Spears. We
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: know this that people just were assigned to be outside
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: our house. But for the most part, if you don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: want to be, if you don't want your picture on
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the Dumag grid, it doesn't need to be. And a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: lot of those folks who have it, it's because they've
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: called their publicists, and their publicists have called tm Z
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to say Hey, Sutton Foster and Hugh Jackman are going
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to be like canoodling on the streets of Santa Monica.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a coincidence. It's the day before
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Younger drops on Netflix again. But like all this, like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that interweb that, like I didn't realize existed that I
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: think for the Olsen twins, I think they have they
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: picked up on that, and there I don't I I'm
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: hoping there isn't some I would assume it's a much
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: more glamorous, but like I could see how there'd be
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: some like grey gardens ass situation happening with each of them.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: They each have their own gray gardens. But I don't
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: think so. I think maybe they're just like moving about,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: moving about the Hampton's moving about New York City, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's like a non event because they're total they don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: make it an event.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Well and honestly, now, all of a sudden, the episode
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: has turned from oh poor Mary, Kate and Ashley Olsen
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: got a really rough go when it came to how
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: gross we were all to them too. Oh my god,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: they owned an entertainment company probably by the age of nine,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and it still just boggles my mind. That their parents
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: have the forethought to put all of that in their
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: name even though they weren't old enough to own a
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: company and or run a company.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm looking up what their parents did. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: want to I think they were in the biz, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be wrong. Also in parents jobs.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so this is a People magazine article, so
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: do with that as you will. But it said that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Jarnett was a former ballet dancer and David worked as
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a commercial real estate investor. Okay, so it sounds like
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: maybe they probably. I think I would imagine based on
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: those two like former careers, that there were people in
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: their circles that they could call and say, like, hey, friend,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: that's been in a lifetime movie, how should I do this?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And oh my gosh, because I think so there's
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this whole part of their career where they don't want
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to be involved in any like they're not going to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: nineties con to sit with John Samos.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Wait real quickly, can I just say, the next time
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I'm on fixing famous people, I think my middle name,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: guess is going to be Jarnett.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, Jarnette, what a great names.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: So goad, Oh but yes, nineties Pound with John Satos.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Right, they're not going to sit next to nineties con
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with Kandasburg. And that's who I was trying to. I
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck's her name?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Ccb CCCB Cameron. It is unfair, how incredibly gorgeous that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: woman has aged?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, considering that she's filled with hate, yes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And that probably is why she looks so good. But
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: anytime I see some clip of her, I'm like, holy moly,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: you look like eighty billion dollars.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You look so good, but in an effortless way that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, because it's not like she all of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm like, did you get your lipstone or
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: something like it? She just continuously looks like DJ Tanner. Yes, yes,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like exactly what you think DJ Tanner would look like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: growing up. And so does.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: DJ looks good too, Stephanie and yeah yeah, Stephanie and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Andrea Webber what was Kimmy Gibler look really good?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yes? So they all look really good. I'm sure none
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: of them talked to Candae now that Fuller House is done,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: because again she's full of hate, but they eat. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: there's this fact that like, because they were America's babies
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: in the nineties and Full House was everywhere, and so
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: were the Olsen Twins, and we knew that Michelle Tanner
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was played by at like it's one of the first
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: names that pops up. I think during the theme song
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of the show, that Mary Kate is played by these
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: two twin babies. That there's this ownership that I think
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: America has that like Netflix had to write in a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: joke as to why they're not in Fuller House, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: like almost that there's like some animosity between the rest
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of the cast because I don't know, probably because the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Olsen twins were business owners and then became fashion moguls
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and you guys were doing nothing.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yes, And this was another thing when
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you and I were talking that like totally grinds my
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: gears that these grown like grown grown as people, like
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I think John Samos is in his sixties now, like
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that they're still whining and making headline fodder about the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: fact that the Olsen Twins, who I were, they seven,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Like the oldest they could have been when Full House
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: went off the air was seven. That these kids who
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: probably barely remember most of this, aren't still like in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: your like weird aura that you just do for clicks
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and likes, Like it's the whole thing is just it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It is astounding to me because also now that I'm like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: oh kids, you realize they are like they've got fish
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: full brains. So someone that was super significant to them
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: when they were eighteen months, they are going to have
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: zero recollection of said person unless they're seeing them every
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: single day or very regularly or facetiming with them when
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: they're seven years old.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Correct. I mean also I just know this because of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: my expansive knowledge on One Tree Hill, because it's my
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: whole personality. A little he's not a little boy anymore.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: He's a grown man. But when he was a little boy,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: the little boy that played Jamie Haley and Nathan's son
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was so harassed by the fan base and was so
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: bullied by them because they're like they're jumping in the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: shark with this eight year old who talks too smart
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and talks like a grown up and he thinks he's funny.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Why is he getting funny lines that he doesn't do
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to that millennial con like he like it's very rare
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: for him to come out and do an event or whatever.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And I think it just like really opens up the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: fact that like maybe we just like let kids who
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: want nothing to do with their first job that they
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: had when they were eighteen months old, let it lie.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: And I do think that John Stamos like really heads
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that campaign of like they should be more involved with us?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Why yes?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And I because I think a lot of this too,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: with Dave Coolier's cancer battle has like popped up again
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: because John Stamos of course has to like get in
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: all the headlines about Dave Coolia's cancer. But I saw
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a headline where and I can't remember who which of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: them said it, but essentially they talked about like the
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: healing they were able to experience with the Olsen Twins
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: when they came to Bob Saggatt's funeral.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: That's gross.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: It's so gross.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That's great. It like comes off as very predatory, like
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: why well, And I think it's just like how and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: again this goes back to the countdown until the Olsen
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Twins are eighteen literally just like how indignant and possessive
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: men are of women who are just standing right next
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to them in a room, and how they feel like
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they deserve our time and our emotions and we should
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: always be playing towards whatever ego fit they're having in
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that moment, and I think it's an ego fit.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And I wonder too, with the prevalence of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: TikTok Instagram paparazzi who were stationed right out there watching
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the funeral, Like if this had happened twenty years ago,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if like Mary, Kate and Ashley
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: would have bothered going to the funeral. I feel like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: they probably felt like, Okay, we have to do this
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: because if we don't, like the internet will truly crucify us.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I would. I also like understand, like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I understand showing up to a funeral because
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of the like, okay, that was a person. He did
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: play our TV dad. It turns out that Bob Sacket
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was like really good to the kids on set, so
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: maybe they have some fond memory of him at least
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: being nice to them. He barred them from all of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: his nasty, raunchy comedy tour stuff, and I think that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that was a beautiful choice. Thank you, Bob, Thank you Bob.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So like, if it was gonna be anybody, I think
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it would be Bob Saget. Whose funeral or wedding or
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: whatever they show up to, I think they'd give a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: big fuck you to John Stamos, because it's my understanding
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he wanted them fired.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah he did, and he can still talk. Think he
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: still talks about it. You and I are mid thirties
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: women who are younger than Mary Kata n Ashley, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: he is on podcasts this year talking about getting Mary
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Kaya Nashley fired.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It's in his memoir like and also that memoir, thank
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: you Chelsea Devontaeys and Glamorous Trash for doing it. Opened
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: my eyes to Uncle Jesse because like, how in love
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: were you with Uncle Jesse during Full House?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I was that was pretty in love about this Jesse.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm yeah, But now I'm watching back, I'm like, oh
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: my gosh, all these men have arrested development. It's terrible.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And also Dandy Tanner is a thirty two year old
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: widower or something like that with three children. I'm like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: oh my goodness.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The nineties, the nineties, I was in love with Uncle
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Jesse to the point that when Chelsea Davonte's let the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Patreon members know of Glamorous Trash that they were covering
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: John Steamos's book. I could literally I watched the music
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: video that John.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I can sing it. I could sing forever right now wherever?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I realized that I could. I actually knew
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the music video beat by beat. I was like, oh
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: my gosh, I remember the candles like the sheer curtains
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: forever and also like John Stamos, I don't know cut
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a rec heard get off of the Beach Boys. If
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: your colleague was to be a rock star, why didn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you do that?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He's one of those people. And I'm gonna pair in
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the guy who plays Smith from Sex and the City
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: into this as well. But I think there are just
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: some people that are so aesthetically beautiful that there's like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: no place for them, Like they they can't go anywhere.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I think he's the reason why I taught myself to
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like yogurt. I like exactly one type of yog I don't, okay, yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and I only like they're whipped orange creamsicle yogurt. I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: don't even think that they have it anymore, And therefore
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I've stopped eating yogurt. I only eat plain dan AND's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: vanilla yogurt with granola and chocolate chips in it, but yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: do you remember his like beautiful yogurt commercials? And I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he's still got to look
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: at that hair.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, like a as I spent the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: whole podcast Slammingham. If he pops up in my ice screen,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna watch. I will watch and be like, damn,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: he looks so good and.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Then be like gross. John Stamos, it.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Was super short lived, but it was called Grandfather where
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Josh Peck came. I loved that show. I so wish
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it had gotten a second season because I thought it
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: was hysterical.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so John Samos is like Memoirs eye opening
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to just like he. He and Matthew Perry May He
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Rest in Peace had the same idea of like, any
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: beautiful woman should just get to date them, and I'm like,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: leave women alone.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Didn't Rebecca Romaine after his memoir came out, because he
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: like what he made it like because they were they
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: weren't married that long, but I seemed to recall similar
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: with the Olden Twigs. He just dramaticized their relationship and
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: their turmoil, and he was so devastated from the revorse. Blah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: blah blah, and afterward she's like, I'm okay, yeah, yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: we were married. We were married eighteen months.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, it was only eighteen months.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: It could have been long. I don't think it was
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: very long.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Rebecca recon it's Rebecca because that's the one marriage of
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: his that I remember. And hers, I guess she's she's.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Jerry O'Connell. But I think they're still together.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I do like me some Jeri O'Connell. Uh. But yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's just and again, I think it's just like
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: an ego thing. And I think those parents did the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: smartest thing by just like putting them all in their
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: own movie production company, and just like it really removed
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: them from the male ego in a way that I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: would be blessed. Would you imagine just showing it up
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to work all day long? And the worst ego you
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: might have to encounter is your father's, right. Yeah, And
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: at least with fathers you can be like Dad, shut up,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Like you can't tell David Letterman to shut up. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: mean I probably have in my head like the Olsen
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Twins literally walked so Renee Rap could run with the eugh.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, I love her. I love her, I
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: love Reneep, I love it her.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Concert tickets for Chicago are horrifically expensive, so I won't
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: be going, but I support her. Hud dollars?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: What probably happened was I missed the pre sale and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: now they're all robots trying to sell pay six hundred
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: dollars tickets.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But that is crazy.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: So Rebecca Romaine and John Samis were married for seven years.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: That's like just a maritime but she was just like okay,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: like we were young. It happens.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Again, these men who won't move on from the first
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: woman who dumped them and told them no.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Well, did you did you listen to Fixing Famous people today?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: When they talked about Julia McMahon passing and the line
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: from Nip Tuck that like, behind every beautiful woman is
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a man who's tired of sleeping with her, And I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: think it's there's also that flip side behind every beautiful man,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: like John Samos, there's a woman who's tired of his
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: shit and can't let it down.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Can't let it down. Oh, I know that was such
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a loss because I am a huge charmed girly and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I watched all of Nip Tuck.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: My sister was a huge Charms girly and I was
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: a huge Niptuck girl. So that was I. I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: as I get older, celebrity deaths start to hit me
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. But that one was an audible
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: gasp when I saw.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: It, right, and I was with a bunch of people
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: who never watched Charmed or Nicktok. So I'm just like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: pointing to his picture in the phone in the phone
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: at a Fourth of July barbecue, b like, but I'm sad.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sad, and Chris de Rosa is in Provincetown and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I can't just call him to be like worse. We're sad,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I okay. One of the other things that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about is how two almost identical
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: women who are beautiful in all of the same ways
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and successful in all of the same ways because they
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: kept their careers pretty linked, also could not escape the well,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of course there's a hotter twin. Yeah, yeah, and it's like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about, to the point where Mary
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Kate said out loud, I just wish I was as
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: pretty as Ashley. What are you talking about? Yes?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember two of like everyone. I don't
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: remember it now, but I think it was one has
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: some mole somewhere on her face that the other doesn't.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But that in the nineties everyone knew that's how you
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: took you like told them apart.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even I mean I as a respect
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: point to women who are twins and how gross people
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: are about twins, especially female twins, I always at least
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: find the way to tell you apart because I'm like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it's annoying. People are individuals like I will not let
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you be Mary Kate and Ashley so I. But as
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: a child, I never like it was a toss up
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: if I ever remembered which one had the mole and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: which one did it. But the fact that like literally
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: these two have gone through life all together and still
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: we as a gross society of people who can't just
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: let women live. Were like, but Ashley's hotter, right, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's like no, right.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: And also that is that, Yeah, Mary Kate was the
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: bad one because she had her eating disorder struggles and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: she's the one who more publicly had issues with drugs.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: And I think there is talk about a complicated figure
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in misogyny. Spencer Pratt, who was their high school class
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: mate and one of his first like trying to break in,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: trying to like get in the know with Hollywood. Was
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: he I believe either I don't know if he was
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: successful or not. This is in the pup Apologist deep
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: dive of Mary Kay to Nashley that I completely recommend
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to everyone who loves them, who wants to learn more
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: about them, that he tried or did sell a video
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: tape of one of the Olsen twins like essentially drunk
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: at a high school party.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, Spencer, Spencer, stop, Yeah, my darkest days we're doing.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Not that I was experiencing the LA fires firsthand because
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I lived next to Lake Michigan, but like my darkest
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: days on TikTok in my TikTok career, was watching Spencer
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Pratt on the beaches during the fires making sense and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ah ah, no.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I know we're in dark times now that I look
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: at his and I'm like so supportive of Heidi, like
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you go, Spencer, that I just there's I like, if
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: ten years ago me could like see how I feel
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes when I see Spencer Pratt waving a burrito and dancing.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she'd want to stay me, not not Spencer Pratt
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: making sense right, yeah, I was.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Like husband, yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not him having kids who knew. I was like, ah,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: get off TikTok because like literally he was just talking
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: and he's just like in this and that, and I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Spencer, oh my god, you've grown. It's
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: like how I mistake mistook Stassy Schroeder when she stopped
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: yelling as much on vander Pump Rules. And I was like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: she's so grown, She's so mature now. And Annie, best
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, had to tell me, no, she
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: was racist literally like three years ago. Namily, that wasn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: early on in the show. And I was like, oh no,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: oh no, I was tricked yet again by time because
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I can't time, but yeah, oh that's so gross. Of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: course Spencer Pratt had some also. Could you imagine the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: flip phone video of oh yeah, Mary Kay and or
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Ashley drunk at a party, and of course Spencer Pratt
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: has it, and of course he downloaded it to his
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Google drive or whatever to try it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I was once at an event and Prince Harry was
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: there and I had like those like tiny camera cannon
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: cameras that we would all bring with us to the bars,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: and I like took like video of him. And at
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: the time I knew someone who works at CMC, and
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, do you want this, like I could
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: be used three hundred dollars.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And she was like, no, this is born.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But of course I you know, honestly, I think they
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: should have taken my footage because he left the event.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It was in Washington, d C. He left the event
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and went to Vegas and that's when he got in
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: so much trouble in Vegas with the with his Shenanigans.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: See, and they could have lied and said that your
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: footage was from Vegas. Yes, nothing on TMZ is real,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: or they could have.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Been like here he is looking out of sorts, like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: we can tell going down a dangerous path.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: No, that's hilarious. My little Canon camera was magenta. I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: could put picture.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, maroon, Maroon. Can you believe we used
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: to put them on our wrist and carry like everywhere
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: like purses?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah uh?
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And then oh do you know what I miss? I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: miss my Facebook being organized by album. It was so
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: much easier to find photos that way.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: But can you I just like now and I we
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: did so much more admin work air quotes than we
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: really needed to back in the day, and like, for
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the joy of it that I cannot imagine sitting down
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and being like, I'm going to create an album. I'm
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: going to label se album, and then I'm going to
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: put a caption for every photo and then upload like
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty seven photos of some barbecue.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and our cousin's first birthday. Yeah yeah. Literally,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, but take me back, take me back.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Well, especially you and I. I always because my husband's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a California boy, I always just say, like, growing up
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: in the Chicago suburbs in the nineties with the Bulls,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: it was truly childhood Camelot.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: You know that. Mycelsor doesn't remember how into the Bulls
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: we were for that one year that they like were unstoppable,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and it was like, I go, I knew all their names.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I could pick out Scottie Pippen in the street.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I yeah, I was completely obsessed. And our
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: our chiropractor had box seats.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: So occasionally they'd just be like, oh, we can't go
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you guys want these, So we'd go to box like
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: we'd go to Christmas Eve at the United Senator watching
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan play basketball, and it's oughn it can't be replicated.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I have literal sense memories of like it's summer time
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm watching nine to one one, which is a
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: dramatization of real life nine one one calls. And the
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: one that I have the most vivid memory of is
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a kid drowning in a pool, so like, and I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: had nightmares because I was in the second grade. I'm like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: who's letting me watch unsupervised with the TV with my babysitter,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And then like and then it'd be like nighttime. I'd
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: be like, it's time for the Bowls, let's do it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And my sister has no mom, She's like, what are
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you talking about. I go, I can literally picture the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: TV and like us sitting in the living room. Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, uh, we were all into the bulls.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Excuse me. But also just like growing up in the
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Midwest and watching something like Passport to Paris.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Like like sophisticated.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, trying my hardest to fit myself into like
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: one of those stupid rap skirts that's not a rap
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: skirt but presents it like a Yeah.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I remember always being jealous of like the kids who
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: went who would go to Mexico, Jamaica, Atlantis and come
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: back with like the beaf braids in their hair from
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the spring break and be like all I did was
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: go to the Wisconsin Dells.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Where did I get my hair wrapped? It was not
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a Caribbean location. It was probably disney World. I got
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: a hair wrap at disney World.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: My sister got it. My sister got it done once
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: in Michigan on the beaches, and it lasted like a
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: second because she was like, no way, this hurts so much.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: After my parents spent what probably is the equivalent of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: like seventy five dollars.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: If I there's no one more money anxious than I am.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So if I'm going to wrap my hair in embroidery floss,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I'm literally keeping it in until the piece of balls
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: falls out. Yeah. Like it literally just fell out one day,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: probably while I was at school, and I was like
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: bortified as it is like dangling three feet below my
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: actual hair. Yeah, I I don't know. I would love
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: for there to be not a grown up Mary Kate
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and Ashley renaissance. I think we have that in Elizabeth
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and honestly leave her alone too, And I just want
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: them to be left alone and to sit on their
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: piles of heaps of Passport to Paris money. But I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: would love for the youth to find the Ulson movies
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and just be like, see, this is what your childhood
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: could have been, just watching these shitty movies like.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: All the gen Z. Like what needs to happen is
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: gen Z needs to find out about the Google Drive
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: and it become like i'mk and a talk and all
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: it is is like analysis of their movies.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Well, because here's a sad truth too. And I confirmed
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: it with a handful of people that I know who
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: work in television and movies and journalism, and maybe a
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: hand fullest three I don't know. I one day woke
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: up and I realized there's no double Double Trouble Halloween movie.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: There's no now and then hitting the movie theater anymore.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: There's truly no entertainment for kids who are like eight
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to thirteen, Like, you know, you're not really you're like
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: a big kid, so no one knows what to do
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: with you. But you're also not fifteen, so no one's
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: taking you to signs looking dates.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought that at a drive in movie theater.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Oh scary. So it was scary scary, but you are right.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: One of my one of my children had a ton
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: seleectomy and you just have to lay on your butt
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: for two weeks. And I was after a certain point,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's only so much like liv and Maddie
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: or whatever, like smut from the Disney Disney streaming service
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: she's watching. So I found It Takes Two. That's the
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: one out of all of them. You can find that
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: on streaming. So we did, like It Takes two Freaky Friday,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: just like all of the like that whole repertoire of
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: stuff we watched, or that we had like slightly aged
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: at it, but we still watched. And that's what I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: let her watch.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: We melted our be chest copy of It Takes Two.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: We would watch it and rewind it, and we just
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: kept it on for an entire summer.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Steve Gutenberg, like where did he? Where did he go?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Why isn't he everywhere? I need a Steve Gutenberg renaissance? Please,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy, Netflix, someone just like create him in a series.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: For him, talk about the original daddy? Where is my Daddy?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Stevie Goody, Like, get him him out of retirement. I'm waiting,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and I think.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: He popped up during the LA fires doing like sexy
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: things like helping animals or something. So let's let's, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: let's bring him.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Back with his enormous amount of chest hair that As
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: an eight year world I was like, ooh ooh, yeah, Christy,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: get on that, get on.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: S you got Christy ri Ip. I loved her another yes,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: complicated figure psychology because.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I got and I won't say from who, because I've
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: already forgotten that to how insignificant you are. When I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: was literally grieving Christy Ally's death because I was sad
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I was and someone was like, really, what about scientology
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and all the ship she said on her show? And
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I was like she was mentally like she was mentally also,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I still want I can do the entire movie of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Drop Dead gorgeous, like I can do the from start
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: to finish, But my dream role is to do that
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: monologue in front of the exploded Swan float.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: That was my dream, literally my apart from Maryku the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: movies for Richer for Poor, where she has tend to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: be honest with Tim Allen, one of my favorites, like
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: my sister and I we could watch it once on
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the VHS, finish it, look at each other and say
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: let's watch it again, and just pop it right back.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: In and and then chase it with and son in law.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: You know what, bring back Polly Shore too. Well, if
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: we're getting Daddy Stevie Goody for sex appeal, bring back
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Polly Shore for giggles.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, are you ready?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I think Steve Guttenberg needs to be on season four.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: O than just like that. Oh my god, that would
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: be a hilarious I thought you were gonna say Traders
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: was checked cast, But honestly, hey, Alan Cummings, we've been
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: doing great with the reality stars, but we are running
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: out of Big Brother people and Survivor people that people
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: give a shit about. So what is yeah, instead of
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Survivor Gamers. You could still just bring back Boston Robins
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: till he wins. But what if we just bring back
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like Daddy Stevie Utenberg and Pollie's sure? And I don't listen.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Has John Stamos been on The Traders?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: No? No, no, John, Yes. Also, it would terrify me
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: and I'd really have to grip my teeth to watch it,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: but I'd still watch it because I love traders. What's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Carrot Top doing? What is Carrot Top doing? He's so scary, so.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: You're you're bringing up a memory. It was the Japan
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Olympics in the late nineties and Carrot Top was on Letterman,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, and they did a skit because they're well,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: there's always like controversy with the figure skating and whatnot.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: But there was again controversy with the figure skating and
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: the and the judges, and they did some bit where
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Carrot Top like essentially seduced and slept with the judge
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: from Russia, and it had the two of them naked
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: undercovers with like holding up the judges scorecard. Scarred. I
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: was garred.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I was kind of top.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And there's like Carrot Top obviously not like hard coordinatority,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: but still enough nudity for an eight year old to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: be like, oh my gosh, I should not be seeing this.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: And it was a like early version of Carrot Top
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: when he didn't like literally make fear chills run through
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: my body or ripped steroid Carrot Top because I can't
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: look at that one.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: He looks he looks like a like a plastic veggie
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: tails now so scary. It's really scary. Yeah, but still
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: he should be on the Traders.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: But he should be on the Traders, Alan Cummings, I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: should work for the Traders, Like I think we could
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: revamp the Traders to include Thirsty. All you would have
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: to do is send me an Alan Cummings to nineties
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Con and I'd get people to sign con tracks right
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: then and there, right then and there, shut up about
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Alan comming.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Basically, like the whole cast, I think, besides Mary Kaya
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: and Nashley, I think the whole living cast of Full
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: House would want to go on the Traders. Just make
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: it like a whole Full House.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Traders, the Full House Traders. That would be so fun,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: halving them and Traders half of them, Mark, like, that's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so fun. Come on, I'm trying to ruin my favorite
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: reality competition. But oh, oh my god, what were we
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: even talking? Oh so yeah, I I maybe you can
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: clear this up for me, because I don't watch Disney
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Channel originals anymore, so I don't actually know if there's
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: still a thing. And I have a base knowledge of
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: cartoons that Nickelodeon is doing, and then I knew that
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: am a comedian that I have a lot of respect
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: for Jay. Something during the during the pandemic or whatever,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Nickelodeon gave him like a kids sketch show to do
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: or something. I don't remember. But I truly don't think
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that there's enough older kids entertainment.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: There really isn't.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: And I was told it's because studios don't actually think
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: there's money in it, and I'm like, who do they think? Again,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: if you may, if you made one movie theater weekend
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: a weekend, not on Tuesday. I go every Tuesday because
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the popcorn is free and the tickets are five dollars.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But if once a month you knew that for a Friday,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday combo, all of the movies were five dollars
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and maybe the popcorns free. I don't know. Let's get
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: crazy and you actually created tween productions again. I truly
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: believe that we could bring back movie theaters. I don't
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: think that anyone's interested in bringing back movie theaters, but.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Me, I'm with you. I will. Let's start a tween tweet.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called. I know I'm publishing.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: It's a vertical, but like, we need like a tween
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: arcous and we just make movies for tweens.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think about when people ask me, what
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: are the movies that changed you from the inside out?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I always think about the movies that were appropriate for me.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: But my mom was also going to get down with them,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: so like Now and then a Banger, Practical Magic. Maybe
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I should have been wat for Gotte.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeahtical Magic, Yeah, Hope Floats.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Hope Floats, the edited version of Dirty Dancing that they
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: would put on we TV, now the full blown dirty Dancing,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the edited for TV version of Dirty Dancing Mermaids. Although
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I did text my mom while I was watching Mermaids
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: for our spin off show Still Comfy, and I was like,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: you let me, at twelve years old watch this movie
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: where when Noona Ryder, who is maybe sixteen, has sex
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: with the twenty eight year old like Hermit bus driver
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and he also kisses Chaer And she's like, that movie's
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: beautiful and it's about mother daughter relationships and that was
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: really important.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Did you know Amy Schumer owns the Mermaid's House?
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: What shut up?
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: She's selling it? But yeah, it's like eleven million dollars
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I say, let's get to go fund me everybody, let's
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: get it. Let's all live at the Mermaid House. Oh
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, yeah, No, honestly, anyone can have the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Mermaid House. That's fine. I want the practical Magic House.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I want and Aid and Quinn. That's another daddy that
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: needs to resurgence.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, so what so Honestly, like the heart of this
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: episode is start catering to tween girls again because they
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: are our future. Like, yeah, I don't know, I guess.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Thank God for this Google drive that TikTok set me
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: about the the Passport in Paris movie. Like, now I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: can watch all of the movies for free or whatever,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: because what are you gonna show your kid when they're
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: laid up from school or whatever.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm, yeah, it's it's it was a challenge.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, like the Disney original movies, a lot of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: them still are on uh on Disney. Plus. I know
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: this because for COVID Thanksgiving when we weren't supposed to gather,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I watched The Color of Friendship.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's a great one. There's some z was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: a Xenuir.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Xenon girl of the twenty first century, that's her name. Yeah,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: with Raven Simone.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Because and the other thing that grind's my gears so
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: much now about like the stuff that's your towards children,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: towards tweens is there's so much and I like and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: everything that's geared towards you and I right now is
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: the same. It's blatant consumerism. Yes, bye bye bye, get this,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: get this, you need the side shadow cay, you need
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: this flouse, blah blah blah. That I just would love
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: for there to be entertainment for kids that is gentle
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: to their synapses and their brains. And also isn't about
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: like you need to go by this. And while yes
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: there was definitely some consumerism tied to the Mary Kaya
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: n Ashley movies, I do think that there was like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: a gentleness that you don't see now in between television
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: and movies.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My sister repeatedly tells me all the time, my
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: freshmen students aren't watching that shitty the Foster show that
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you're obsessed with on free Form. They're watching Shameless. And
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a grown up show, and she's like,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you're a grown up. You did actually probably change the Shameless. Why?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: But I love free Form because it really does it's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: like grown up Mary, Kate and Ashley Content were like, yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: sex and like friendship, breakups and things are happening, but
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: it's so easy on the brain. Yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: So it's like because I think reform is now what
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: what was ABC Family, which was kind of like after
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: you've graduated from Nickelodeon and Disney, this is what you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: watch now. What I think is lacking is that in between,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: because there is an in between, Like at the end
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: of the day, like, should an eleven year old be
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: watching Secret what was it called sex Lives? Is the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: American Teenager?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: The American Team? Like, no, you should be.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Watch but there need there needs to be an in between.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the problem. ABC Family used to play The
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Secret Life of the American Team directly after Seventh Heaven reruns,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: So you're watching your good Christian propaganda show.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I'm really mad at Stephen Collins for ruining all that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: for us that we can't watch Seventh Heaven reruns regularly.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: And then it rolls right into now Remember you could
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: get knocked up as a teen and it's gonna be
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: funny but also awful.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: The Sheery Applebee episode of Seventh Heaven where she joins
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: a gang and they they throw her mattress and find
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: all the knives and chains underneath her bed. Shook me
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: as a young tweet, I was so scared.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because honestly, like I, I think that it is
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: honestly the right call for there to be movies like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Passport to Paris and Double Double Trouble and Holiday under
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the Sun, probably in a New York minute is good.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever saw that one, but
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: because sure, it presented me a false idea of what
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: girlhood actually was, that it was all just gonna be
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: like Lou outs.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: And right Lou I was, and boyfriends.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: And boyfriends and lip flaw.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Saving the world or were the one where they like
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: save the Model U N yes, yes, well what's that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: one called?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Who knows at this point, But I I would rather
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: have girls get to hold on to the idea that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: when they turn thirteen their life is going to be
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: a Mary Kate and Ashley movie, or when they turn
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: seventeen they're gonna like be treated nicely by boys on
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a beach or whatever. Then have thirteen year old girls
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: watch Euphoria unsupervised and be like, oh my god, that's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: what That's what ten dumb is gonna be and it's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: like it doesn't have to be. Yeah, but that's all
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the shows right now. It's all just like what if
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: we were all damaged and it's like, I get it,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: we are, give me a little bubblegum pop.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that's why the Barbie movie did
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: so well too, because it it it was a bit
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: of like this fantasy land but also like just something
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: that we all wish for, Like let's wish for a
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: supportive world where we all just tell each other how
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: pretty we all are, and let's go see a movie
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: that I I took my daughter and I think she
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: was seven when it came out, and it was perfectly
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: if they're sure, there was a couple things, a couple
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: jokes that went over her head, but it was perfectly
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: fine for her to be sitting there watching it and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: she loved it. And it's one of my favorite moments
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: together for us, our relationship is going to go to
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: see the Barbie movie together.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: That there needs to be. There needs to be stuff
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: We we were on the cusp of having girlhood back
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: when Barbie was in movie theaters and the Eras Tour
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: was going on. And we're like, this is for the girls.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Life was for the girls again. And I feel like
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: media like the Mary Kate and Olsen films and Lizzie
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: McGuire and all of these, like they're not teen soap
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: opera's like One Tree Hill, even though it's my whole personality,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: but they're also not I can't even name a little
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: kid show from our past. I don't know, Blues Clues,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: they're not that. They're just like these shows about girls
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: cracking jokes and figuring out puberty and all of that.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: It needs like it made girlhood feel like a phenomenon
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: that we got to go through, and I would love
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: for girlhood to feel like a phenomenon instead of a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: trauma again.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Right because it is, you know, that's the thing, Like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I look back on girlhood and then now seeing it
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: through the eyes of my daughter, that it is. It's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: so it is so beautiful. It is challenging, but it
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: is so beautiful that I just like, let's celebrate it
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit more and let's let's I don't know,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I just I love I love that idea. I think
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: let's let's celebrate it more.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Let girls make friendship bracelets, send them to summer Camp
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: where they find out that they have had a twin
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: sister all along. Like, you know, the Amanda show was revolutionary,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: like a child woman, like a woman who was a child,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: a girl child, I guess is what I'm saying, headlining
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: her own variety show, and then you have to figure
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: out twenty years later it's because they were abusing her
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: so much that they were like, stay on the network, kid,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: here's a show. Like I feel like, if only I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: could be in charge of how we present girlhood through
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the media.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, can we talk about the hold that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: a young Dennis Quaid had on me as a young
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: young girl. And the first time I showed Parent Trap
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to my daughter, I think she was six, and Dennis
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Quake comes on the screen for the first time and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: she looks and goes, is that daddy? I think that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: it was my husband, who was absolutely nothing like that
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: is quite amazing. Again, just like these movies where it's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: just everyone was and I don't know what it is,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: but it's there was just such a joy in movies
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: of that little time capsule that we're discussing that I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: feel like is nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety nine,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: that we need entertainment like that again.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Where every day was Summer Camp, it was literally every
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: day with Summer Camp. Like God, well, let's move into
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the closing ceremony because we're basically right there. What is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: a lesson that you learned from the Olsen media media
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and their experiences with press and other cast members from
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: their former projects, and just their fame in general.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest lesson I take away from it
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: is just its boundaries and looking to them as archetypes
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: for how you can be powerful. You can have money,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: but you don't need to be thirsty, and I love
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: that and we haven't we never even really touched on it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: But my understanding is they're both still really involved with
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: the Row and it is like a cult following that
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: people just love their fashion line, which good for them.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I hope someday I can number one be skinny enough
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: to fit into their stuff but also be rich enough
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: to buy it. But I would love to be able
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to support them and get their stuff, because like go go, go.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Go girls, Go girls.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: But that is what I'm taking away from it, and
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the other thing too, And I think these days people
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: are so quick to respond or they're quick to react
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: as opposed to responding. And what I have loved about
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: the Olsen Twins as they've grown up is they are
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: so selective in where they go, how they go, what
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: they're going to say that I do think to me
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: they are probably living their best lives being free of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: TikTok and Instagram and tmz and all of that that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: I think like, that's who people should look up to. Like,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: if you want to be in the entertainment business, I
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: think that should be the dream that should be figuring
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: out of, Like, Okay, how can I do this? How
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: can I make my money? How can I get that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: seed so that way then I could build something, scale
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: it exit and be able to live my best life.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Because let me tell you, I'm a person who is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: just starting to scratch at their maybe I'll make TV
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: one day dream, and I'm already tired about how their
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: estate people are. I'm already tired. So everyone be an
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Ulsen twin.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the world would be a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: better place.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What is something that you would like to manifest
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: for the general collective energy or the Ulsen Twins themselves?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: What I would like to manifest. I would love to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: manifest a sit down tell all with me, maybe like
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig interviewing the Ulsen twins and just asking them
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: about fame and asking them about celebrity and how they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: are treated and how they've been treated, and just learning
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: because my as I'm getting older, I'm realizing how how
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: just terrible the media can be. And then you see
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: like the pictures, I think, what was it. It was like
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Bridget Fonda, who's just going to the grocery store and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: people like, oh, look at her and blah blah blah.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, just leave, like leave her alone. Like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I think that's the That's another thing I want to manifest,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: is like let's just leave everybody. Let's let's leave each
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: other alone. You know, let's go to the grocery store.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: We don't need to make a comment about it. Let's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: we don't need to be mean, Like let's just be.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Let's like channel that kindness and excitement we all had
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: when we were like nine to eleven years old, and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: let's like bring that forward. Let's like be a whole
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: bunch of forty year olds and braid each other's hair
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: and be positive and like just be that like model
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: for other people to see.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I think that I have spent the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: last several years, specifically in the summertime, trying to be
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: all like if I was just in the middle of girlhood,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: what would I be doing right now?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: And it's time cool. My sister and I did a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: tidy summer. It was so fun.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, And it's making friendship bracelets for gen Con because
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna want to talk to people anyways, so they
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: might as well get a trinket. And it's you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: my nephews are still in the infant and toddler stage,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: but like, I so look forward to the time where
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: it's like messy finger painting and like eating playto and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: all of that bullshit too, Like let's make childhood fun again.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: It just it looks so sterile and not fun. And
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: again it's like six year olds doing beauty tutorials on
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: their parents' phone and I'm like, I'm tired.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: You could probably you need to probably do like a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: whole episode on like the beij mom asthetic thing, because
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: that like talk about like sucking the joy out anything.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, like the nineties sucked for a million
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: ways in a million ways, but there was something like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: so pure about getting to be a kid in the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: nineties because you didn't realize that.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: It sucked, right, Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: And I feel like kids are so aware now that
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: things suck, which is great. They're all going to turn
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: into like twenty somethings who are activists or whatever. But
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I don't want a six year old to realize that, like,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: things suck.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I think that's that's very wise.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Margaret, thank you so much for bringing this topic
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: to the show. This was such a fun walk down
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: memory lane.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: This was really fun. If it's a lot many memories.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Tell everyone where they can find smash hit and on it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: What do you call your pans? Is it smashers? You
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  Speaker 1: know what? I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have one yet. I don't have a name yet.
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  Speaker 2: I need to think about it.
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  Speaker 1: I love naming people's.
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  Speaker 2: I believe Chris Rosa. Chris Rosa had suggested the smash heads. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so Smash Hit started as like an ode to the
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  Speaker 2: short lived TV musical drama Smash when it was streaming
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  Speaker 2: again on Peacock. Innocents evolved to me getting to talk
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  Speaker 2: with my friends and podcasters I'd like to talk to
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  Speaker 2: about what's hitting for me on the TV screen. And
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  Speaker 2: that can be anything from Secret lives of Mormon wives
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  Speaker 2: and just like that, Dallas Cowboys, cheerleaders, anything that is
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  Speaker 2: on television right now that I'm just devouring and want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. That's where you That's what you can
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  Speaker 2: find on Smash hit. I am also on Instagram at
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  Speaker 2: smash hit Pop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you and Chris do in just like that recently?
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  Speaker 1: Is that my memory playing a trip we have.
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  Speaker 2: Not done just like that? We did Poop Cruise. I
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  Speaker 2: inspired by you actually when you came on to talk
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  Speaker 2: about sirens. But I rewrote a scene because and this
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  Speaker 2: is like mid Atlantic War. But so Aiden lives in Norfolk,
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  Speaker 2: which has a Carnival cruise ship that people often mistake
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  Speaker 2: as the refurbished poop Cruise. So I wrote a script
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  Speaker 2: for Chris and I to act out of course with
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  Speaker 2: Carrie Bradshaw and I was Aiden, where we envision Aiden
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  Speaker 2: asking Carrie on the poop Cruise and how Carrie handles that.
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  Speaker 1: I well, Number one, Chris, if you're listening, you're never
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  Speaker 1: texting me enough about angels like that. I would love
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  Speaker 1: to do a deep dive on how they've ruined Carrie
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  Speaker 1: specifically they've ruined everything, but Carrie literally has no self
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  Speaker 1: respect anymore, and I can't stand it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Okay, I had this thought while I was driving today,
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  Speaker 2: and I because you saw the most recent episodes with
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  Speaker 2: the Kathy reveal. Okay, so people are like screaming about that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I'm gonna probably you're gonna hate me now.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm kind of wondering, like, has Carrie grown Has
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  Speaker 2: she grown up? Because like old Carrie would have like
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  Speaker 2: burned big house down for sleeping with someone else. But
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  Speaker 2: is it possible maybe she has like kind of realized
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  Speaker 2: in her old age that you know what, Like Okay,
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  Speaker 2: like that, I can see how that could happen.
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  Speaker 1: No, I truly just don't think that her and Aidan
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  Speaker 1: are in an actual relationship, and I don't like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she likes him.
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  Speaker 2: And that is exactly like essentially with my Smash Scripts Exploration.
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  Speaker 2: Aiden is a carnival cruise line kind of a person,
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  Speaker 2: and she is not. She's if she's ever setting foot
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  Speaker 2: on a cruise, she's going on the reds yet.
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  Speaker 1: So I was one of the people yelling at my
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  Speaker 1: TV because I was like, then, just call it Carrie
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  Speaker 1: he's sleeping with the ex. You don't even care. This
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  Speaker 1: is when we call it.
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell if it was just latent product placement,
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  Speaker 2: but the over use of Tom's I'm wondering if you
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  Speaker 2: like setting yourselves up for like a very dramatic like
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  Speaker 2: bleeding ulcer episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I number one, I'm gonna finish this recording
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  Speaker 1: before I do a whole new episode on and just
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  Speaker 1: her thirties looking at all of the tween girls and
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  Speaker 1: going where did your movies go? Why Holly would why
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  Speaker 1: smiles are for joy I'll write between movies. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sad,