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#14: The 10 Minute Rule, Fatherhood & Running Finish Lines · The People Run Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: With my daughter, um she sees it all the time, right?
0:04
SPEAKER_01: So I am that example of like, hey, exercise is good.
0:07
SPEAKER_01: Hey, my dad does exercise all the time.
0:09
SPEAKER_01: So she'll lay next to me and start doing leg lifts, right?
0:12
SPEAKER_01: With me, or she'll see me do push-ups and she does her version of the push-ups.
0:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
0:16
SPEAKER_01: It's super cute, but I know that I'm setting a a right example for her.
0:20
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
0:20
SPEAKER_01: And and and and this is not gonna be uh something different to her.
0:25
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be normal to do a workout every day, it's gonna be normal to to to lift heavy stuff, right?
0:30
SPEAKER_01: For her, it's just gonna be part of life, and that's what I want to instill in her.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: Welcome back, everyone listening.
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's been a few episodes now, man.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you for those that have been tuning in.
0:45
SPEAKER_00: And uh, if you're new here, this is the People Run podcast.
0:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Fitz.
0:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, and today we got uh an interesting guest.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh Milo has been a friend of mine for quite some time now.
0:55
SPEAKER_00: Casual runner, turned more serious runner.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Um recently did a marathon.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh we kind of say recent father.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's got a baby in his life with the family going on, working, man, and gets it all done.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: And um, that's kind of why I wanted to share his story, you know, story of everyday runners.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: And Milo is a great representation of someone who can get it done while also taking care of the business, taking care of the family.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: What's up, Milo?
1:17
SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm doing well, man.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: Fitz, thank you for having me.
1:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a pleasure.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm very proud of what you're doing.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh appreciate you.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: I've I've always I've always thought of like, I want to start a podcast too, right?
1:29
SPEAKER_01: But I guess I've never had the to do it.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: But you do, right?
1:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, you do, and I and I think uh it's great.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: And um, I wish you lots of luck, man.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, I appreciate that, man.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, it was kind of the same thing for me, you know.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: We always talk about, oh man, I'm gonna start something, and uh had some downtime uh you know recently, the past couple months for like work and whatnot.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, man, let's let's go back to this uh and maybe see what it's like.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: I did some digging and and put the first one out, and you know, like anything, just like we'll probably talk about now, the more you do it, the easier it gets.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: And now here we are a few episodes deep and and continue going strong.
2:06
SPEAKER_01: So I think it's a good segue too, because if you think about it, it's all about getting started, right?
2:13
SPEAKER_01: So it's all talk, talk, talk, talk until you actually do something.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: So so just getting that first recording, no matter how good or how bad, or the audio or the visual or the content, it's just getting it out there, right?
2:25
SPEAKER_01: Dipping your toe in and and and getting started, and then it just kind of flourishes from there.
2:31
SPEAKER_00: Man, uh for those listening, lesson number one.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
2:37
SPEAKER_00: Way to start, you know.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: And you're right, man, it's just about getting started, and that's how we are here.
2:41
SPEAKER_00: You you just you gotta get that first step in, man.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh talking about that.
2:46
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk running first, man.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: How did you uh decide to run?
2:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, I know you also lift, and the lifting was probably more the start of the background.
2:54
SPEAKER_00: How did running start for you?
2:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, interesting question.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: So once upon a time, I used to only lift, right?
3:02
SPEAKER_01: And um, and I love it, right?
3:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm and I'm not here to you know be the biggest person.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing any bodybuilding competitions, but um, I think lifting has been a part of my life for for a long time.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: My stepfather kind of he had a he had a bench press and and some dumbbells in an apartment when I first met him.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: I was probably what 12, 13 years old.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: So when he moved into my house, you know, he brought it with him, and then he started showing me little things here and there, how to curl, how to bench, right?
3:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, nothing crazy, but kind of got a momentum going, right?
3:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, felt good, you know, started feeling better.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, after the years, it just kind of became a habit lifting, lifting, lifting, lifting.
3:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, lo and behold, if if anyone remembers, COVID hit.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if uh everyone remembers the uh you kind of had to shift your life completely changes, right?
3:58
SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're now in a house, and I'm I'm one that's used to going out, I'm one that used to getting sun every day, lifting every day.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: So I created a little gym in my garage, right?
4:07
SPEAKER_01: Like just a mini gym.
4:09
SPEAKER_01: I also have similar things like my stepdad.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: I had the bench, I had the uh the dumbbells, I have uh, you know, one of those machines that you could do dips and pull-ups at the same time, right?
4:19
SPEAKER_01: No one knew that COVID was gonna last like two years or a year and a half, whatever it lasted.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: So I got bored.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I got bored of lifting, doing the same thing.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: I would put YouTube videos, and I'm like, man, I'm just like bored.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: So um I said, let me go for a run.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: I threw on some random shoes, and this is how you know I knew nothing at the time.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: I had a pair of shoes and they were called free runs.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: So I thought you can run with free runs.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: Why would you put the name run in a shoe when they're not really running shoes, right?
4:59
SPEAKER_01: Or at least, you know, they shouldn't be running shoes.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: Anyhow, so I threw those on thinking, yeah, you know, let's just do a mile here, let's do a mile there.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: So I would lift and then I would go for a mile.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: And then um, slowly but surely I started increasing the mileage.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: No reason, just challenging myself, right?
5:19
SPEAKER_01: Just kind of like, okay, how far can I go?
5:21
SPEAKER_01: I would set certain milestones like, oh, I want to get to that tree next time and turn around.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: I want to get to that house next time and turn around.
5:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, I want to hit one of my friends' house, right?
5:29
SPEAKER_01: I started getting a little bit more confident.
5:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, started hitting like the three mile, four mile.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: At that point, my legs were killing me.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: I had shin splints, um, you know, my calves were like super tight, knots all over the place, and I'm like, that's normal, right?
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Whatever, it's normal, right?
5:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh after about six miles, I started really getting into it.
5:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, whoa, this is pretty cool, right?
6:02
SPEAKER_01: I got this challenging, you know, you know, feat that I haven't done before, right?
6:08
SPEAKER_01: So I said, huh, how much further can I go, right?
6:12
SPEAKER_01: And like anything, I'm that type of person that like when I start liking something, I start really digging into it and really researching it.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the first thing they said was get a good pair of shoes.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but I have a good pair of shoes, right?
6:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, right?
6:27
SPEAKER_01: So I got a I got a good pair of shoes, and um, I'm like, wow, this is life-changing, right?
6:33
SPEAKER_01: Like it you felt more comfortable, it didn't hurt after the run.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: So that was kind of the game changer.
6:39
SPEAKER_01: Like the first real pair of shoes, I was like, okay, now I'm starting to get this, right?
6:45
SPEAKER_01: So um, in between, I would lift, and I started just continuing to challenge myself.
6:51
SPEAKER_01: So I signed up for my first race, right?
6:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, I I signed up for the first race not knowing that I can do what I signed up for, which was a half marathon.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: So 13 miles, and I know anyone who's listening to this podcast probably knows or has been to a point where they said, I will never do 13 miles.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: What are you talking about?
7:13
SPEAKER_01: Like you could barely do one or two.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: So um, I guess after that half marathon, when you get there and you just feel the vibe, the energy, the camaraderie amongst you know, everyone around you, everyone's there for the same goal, for the same mission.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, you're not really competing against anybody, you're competing against yourself.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: The satisfaction that I had after that first half marathon, it's unexplainable.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: It was a high that I hadn't felt before, it was an accomplishment, it was physical, um, it was challenging, it was fun.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's a ton of feelings going on, right?
7:53
SPEAKER_01: So that was the you know, I got the itis after that, and then you know, I done a bunch of stuff after that.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: That's wild, man.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, to start running in Nike free runs for those listening.
8:06
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you remember those shoes, because some some will may not.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: I do.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: It was right around that barefoot movement type of very flat shoe, no cushion, no nothing, which is crazy because now shoes are like basically Silettos, like super stacked and plates and all this funny stuff.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: And you hear talking about doing six miles in the start, man.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: That that that is wild.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know that.
8:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh did you get injured or anything using those things?
8:32
SPEAKER_01: So I thought it was normal.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: The pain, all the pain that I felt.
8:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I had some knots on my shins, literally, where my wife had to like massage it out, and it was brutal.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: But I thought, and and I kind of pushed through it, right?
8:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I guess the more I researched and the more I started learning, the more I stepped back and say, hey, first of all, I'm doing nine-minute miles, and I'm not even looking at my heart rate, I'm not looking at anything.
9:00
SPEAKER_01: I, you know, oh, and and and just just to mention, like at some point in between I started listening to uh Can't Hurt Me by by David Goggins, right?
9:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I said, Oh, I'm gonna brute through this, right?
9:14
SPEAKER_01: But at the end of the book, he says, Don't do what I did, right?
9:18
SPEAKER_01: So I didn't get to the end of the book before I started brooding, you know, my way through this stuff.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I yes, it it hurt.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: I had to, I had to um I I'm I mean I'm a I'm an A-type right person.
9:33
SPEAKER_01: I have to like push, push, push, push, push.
9:35
SPEAKER_01: So taking a break to me was like, what are you doing?
9:38
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna lose your game.
9:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I had to, I did it, tried to start doing it the right way, and those little injuries, they became um less, you know, painful, and then they kind of started recovering little by little.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I I did get injured a bit.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I had to I I can only imagine, man, running, and you you mentioned six miles, those barefoot shoes, man.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh I I remember people used to use them in the gym, and and even then they were kind of rough on the gym because it's you you basically have nothing on your foot.
10:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, what what was your uh first race shoe?
10:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: Mine was the Peg uh 35, I believe.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: I think I bought them on eBay, funny enough.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh when I got you know a shoe.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: What was my first race?
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Ray Shoe.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh, race shoe?
10:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, the running shoe you bought, I mean.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay, okay, okay.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: So don't judge me here, right?
10:26
SPEAKER_01: My first pair of running shoes were not even the best type of running shoes either, but they were so different from the free runs that it just felt a world of different.
10:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
10:37
SPEAKER_01: Um they were the uh the Adidas um what was it called?
10:44
SPEAKER_01: The Adidas um oh my gosh.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh I forgot the name of it, man.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: They're they're they're pretty heavy.
10:54
unknown: Okay.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: They're pretty heavy.
10:56
SPEAKER_00: Ultra boost.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: Ultra boost.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: They're ultra boost.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: It was the ultra boost, but they were like the I think it was a fours, the first ones, and and I just love the color of it, right?
11:08
SPEAKER_01: I like the bright color running shoes, and everyone has their own style, everyone has their own, right?
11:13
SPEAKER_01: I like some people like just all blacks, all whites.
11:16
SPEAKER_01: I like you know, the more color the better.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I love the color of them, they fit very well, they fit like a sock almost.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, but after doing research, those weren't also the number one running shoes, right?
11:31
SPEAKER_01: So I kind of started off, I mean, uh, from worst to to bad.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, back then the ultra boosts were like just the word boost in anything was like super comfortable, and even Adidas at some point started throwing boost boost on more of their series shoes.
11:45
SPEAKER_00: I I know a lot of people who started with ultra boots, so it's not too bad.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Um they're great walking shoes.
11:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I still I I still have a pair that I have like metal pieces sticking out, right?
11:56
SPEAKER_01: Just because I like how comfortable they are.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: I use them for I never use them for running, but I use them for walking because they're just they're very comfortable shoes for walking.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: So you did that first half.
12:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, when did it start getting more serious?
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Do you remember?
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Like you did that first half.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: I know you did some other ones.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: What what what made you go, man?
12:14
SPEAKER_00: I want to get into this.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: The the it started getting very serious at the finish line of that first half.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: So I got to the finish line of that first half and I'm like, what's next?
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Right?
12:26
SPEAKER_01: Like I just couldn't I couldn't wait to get to my next race, whatever it was.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: So I signed up for another half and another half.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: I did about I want to say like four half races, right?
12:40
SPEAKER_01: Because I did a few halves during my training, but I did like four, maybe even five half races before I decided what's really next.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: And then that's when I signed up for my first marathon.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh but but the journey of I mean so let me reverse a little bit.
13:01
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
13:01
SPEAKER_01: So right before I signed up for that first half, um there's there's this uh there's this podcast called the Marathon Training Academy.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: I know that one.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so so that podcast, they have this uh this ver and mind you, this is COVID era, right?
13:18
SPEAKER_01: So they started this virtual running.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you listen to the podcast, they're like, hey, if you sign up here, you know, uh you log your miles, right?
13:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's all on the you know, it's all about trust.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: You you can put that you did a hundred miles in one day, they don't care, but it's I mean you're only cheating yourself.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: So um so I signed up for that just to give myself a goal, right?
13:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and the goal was a hundred miles.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: It didn't matter when you did it, didn't matter how long you took to do it, it didn't matter anything, but the the minute you hit 100 miles, they send you the medal.
13:53
SPEAKER_01: So I I yeah, so I I challenged myself to do a hundred miles in in a month, and that was I think I think that was October 21.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:05
SPEAKER_01: And then I hit the hundred miles, I got my medal, I'm like, this is cool.
14:09
SPEAKER_01: And that's when I signed up for the race, right?
14:12
SPEAKER_01: So I had like a mini challenge before my bigger challenge, and then my biggest challenge after that.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: It's no, that's a good way to like get some foundation in 100 miles in a month, you know.
14:23
SPEAKER_00: That's usually one of the first mile markers for people once you start getting a little bit more serious.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: So to have like a medal and like to continue to push you and propel you forward is pretty cool.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, it worked, it worked.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they had another one that's 150 and 200, they kept going, right?
14:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, but I'm like, no, now I want the real deal, right?
14:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm not not about that virtual stuff anymore.
14:44
SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: So walk me through those first few races.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: What was progression like?
14:48
SPEAKER_00: Times, you know, did you keep improving?
14:51
SPEAKER_00: Were you having fun with it?
14:53
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: So every race is different.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: So my first race was in Orlando.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: The temperature was beautiful, it was like 65.
15:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, it it was a little bit cloudy, not too sunny.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Then later in the afternoon, the sun came out.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: They had um bands playing like at Mount 8.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: They had uh, you know, they just had a lot of entertainment throughout.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, oh, this is the best, right?
15:21
SPEAKER_01: So mind you, that was in December.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So a few months later, come back down to Miami, and I wanted to do like a kibi skein race, I think it was the sec my second uh half marathon.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: Ugh that was bad.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: So it got hot, really hot, really quick.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: The race was was not organized.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh there were cones thrown all over the place, people were hitting them, people didn't know where to go.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, the um there was no entertainment throughout the race, and you're thinking kibi skein, you know, it's beautiful.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't think kibiskane here in Florida, right?
15:55
SPEAKER_01: But there was there was it was nothing compared to you know the Orlando race.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: So that was different.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: So I did not PR that one, right?
16:04
SPEAKER_01: I did not PR that one.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: Um so of course, second race, I'm like, damn, was that just a fluke?
16:10
SPEAKER_01: You know?
16:10
SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, I gotta do another one.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: So I did another one, I PR'd on that one, and then um, and I can't remember all the races.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: This is you know, a few years ago, but but I I've done quite a few.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: Um but nothing nothing really prepared me for that first full.
16:29
unknown: Okay.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Nothing really prepared me.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: And and and you know, there's a lot of steps that you can take to prepare for it, but you'll never really know what it's like until you actually go through it.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: Walk me through yours.
16:41
SPEAKER_00: What was that what was first uh that first half uh sorry full you did?
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh so the first fool I did was the Palm Beach.
16:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh the the yeah, it was in West Palm Beach, it was the Garden of Life.
16:55
SPEAKER_01: That was my first fool.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, I had a few other friends that went, they did the half.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Um but it you know the the journey to get to that full.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I downloaded a random uh PDF online, right?
17:10
SPEAKER_01: This was before AI, this was before I had a coach, this was before any of that.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh I downloaded a random PDF and I tried to follow it as close as possible.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: And and that's it, you know, and um I would research a little bit about uh how to eat during the race, how many calories, how many carbs, right?
17:29
SPEAKER_01: Um well I I didn't do that too well on my first race.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: I think I took like four four gels or something, right?
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, big because um and I and I think I tell people this all the time like when you're in a race, it is not the same as training.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: It is not the same.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: So if you it 20 miles in training is different than 20 miles in a race.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: One of the reasons is you don't know what the elements are gonna be, right?
17:59
SPEAKER_01: Two, you you pick up speed, you're excited, you have other people around you, hundreds, thousands, even sometimes, of other people around you.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: So you pick up speed, right?
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you're traveling to do this.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: It's not like you could just wake up and and and and go, right?
18:14
SPEAKER_01: You you have to travel, you have to settle, you have to sleep overnight in a hotel you're not comfortable with.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: Do you have the right food with you?
18:21
SPEAKER_01: Did you forget something?
18:22
SPEAKER_01: My first race, I forgot my running shorts.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: So I went with I went with some swimming trunks, right?
18:29
SPEAKER_01: Like you know, you you never know what can happen.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: So it's definitely different than um than than than your training mode.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: So so you know, I I took four gels thinking, like, oh, I did three when I did my 20 miler.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: I maybe I just need one more to do the rest of six.
18:49
SPEAKER_01: Bad idea.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: Bad idea.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: But I finished that race, and you know what I did?
18:57
SPEAKER_01: I signed up for another one two two months later, which was my another mistake.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay, I didn't even know this.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: That was that was another mistake, and that was the the Fort Lauderdale uh Publix Marathon, and I I was I didn't know how injured I was, but my knee took a hit on that first marathon, right?
19:23
SPEAKER_01: So I I had to kind of lay off of it for for uh I want to say like three weeks, but then in my head I'm like I need to start training for this next one, right?
19:33
SPEAKER_01: So I didn't give myself enough time to recover for the next one.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: So then the next one was brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: I I was injured, I felt like my my legs turned to stone.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh I was in mile 22 and I said to myself, There's no way I'm gonna do four more miles here.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: There's no way I almost hopped those four miles, I almost limped them.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Like I was dragging my feet.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've ever had this feeling, Fitz, where your hips are so stiff that you're kind of dragging it with your body.
20:16
SPEAKER_00: Luckily, no.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: That's that's because you do things the right way, right?
20:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm here I'm here just going crazy.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean, don't get me wrong, my first race was rough.
20:25
SPEAKER_00: I had other elements and issues, but um, like for me, my quad on the first one.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: First off, I don't condone anything Milo just said.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: Don't do a marathon and then literally sign up for another one two months later, people.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: You gotta, as now someone who's run a few has for those of you listening or have been listeners, a few guests now, coaches and whatnot, you gotta recover.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, that said, going back to what we were talking about on my first marathon, uh, it was New York City, right?
20:53
SPEAKER_00: Went back home and got lucky enough to get into the lottery for New York City.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: And man, it was uh Queensbridge, uh, which is around mile 18 or so.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: And I was going good, man.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: I was on pace.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, my first marathon's gonna be a breeze.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: And the quad tapped out.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, it got to a point where I'm running and they're feathering, kind of like you know, you mentioned bodybuilding.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: So I started lifting as well.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: And like, usually for those that body lift, you know, feathered quads are like amazing, non-marathon.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: They were just like was it hilly or it's just a big one?
21:26
SPEAKER_00: New York is uh one of the hilliest ones.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh, a lot of people say the toughest major.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: I haven't run Boston yet to say that, but a lot of people say Boston and um and New York are the toughest one, and now we have Sydney, which is uh I believe next month was just added number seven for the majors, and that one's I forget exactly, but I think it's 12 feet, 1200 feet elevation gain.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: So now we have three that are just hilly monsters.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: But New York goes through all the bridges.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, so this is I forgot what number bridge is Queensboro, but it's around mile 17 18.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: And at that point, man, my quads are tired, it was hot, it was.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, not Florida hot, but it's 68, and you're doing on a marathon, like you said, you're running fast, your heart rates up, and and it was just uh brutal, man.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: And then from there I had to walk, run, walk, run all the way to the finish line.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: What mile was that?
22:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh around 17-18 is when it started for me.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: And then uh I was able to stop for like a minute, continue going for another two, three miles, but around mile 21, it started becoming quicker.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Like the quad would lock up.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: I would stop, go again, but it started becoming more frequent.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: So I went from like one stop every two miles to like one stop, two, three stops every mile.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: I I I know the feeling, um, not so much with the with the uh with the quads, but with the breathing, right?
22:40
SPEAKER_01: So so I'm I couldn't control my breathing at a certain point, right?
22:43
SPEAKER_01: And we can get into the last marathon.
22:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, there was a point where I couldn't control my breathing, and as I kept going, it got worse.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: And then you would stop, try to take breaths, but the the the inefficiency of breathing would come back quicker than the last stop, right?
22:59
SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting, just from you know, from yours was more muscular, mine was more, you know, um from the lungs.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean I've noticed now, uh, well, I'm looking for redemption come this fall, but for me, what I've noticed now is uh, as you know, like I had a weight loss journey, a lot of weight loss, and with the body lifting uh background, we always pretty, you know, leg press, quats.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, I was a quad dominant runner and I've been working on cadence these last few months, coming back from injury, and like I'm I'm using funny enough, you mentioned yours was hip.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm using my hips more, which is something I wasn't doing as a runner.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: You want to use your hips because you want to push off the back leg, use your glutes, use your hamstrings for anyone listening.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: But uh I was using quads, which it means you're breaking every step you take.
23:43
SPEAKER_00: You're doing a marathon, you're taking 25, 30,000, 35,000 steps, you know, depending on your time out there, maybe even more.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be brutal.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not not to mention your your your glutes can take up a lot of of that energy and and and make you 10 times more efficient when you're running.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's something I've been working on now, and it's it's I started pre uh well right around when I got injured about a month or two ago, and like it's a whole different ballgame now because my uh cadence is up like 10, 15 uh steps.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: Steps, which is uh definitely amazing.
24:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm not using my quads as much anymore.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: They're being used, don't get me wrong, because the you never lose the like muscle and stuff, but like now I'm using all the muscles versus just one.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm no longer breaking.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna be fun and interesting.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, but before we get to that last crazy marathon, um talk to me about those first two you did.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: What were your times?
24:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, then you did one two months later, like what what time did you hit on that when you got?
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um my my goal was to to be under two hours, right?
24:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh for my half.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: The full?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Oh, for the half.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: No, no, for the half, for the half.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, are you talking about the full?
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was talking about the full, but you can continue with the half.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: I was like Kachogi.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely not.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I I kind of went a little further back.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: No, go ahead.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: You good?
24:58
SPEAKER_01: It was under two hours for for the halves.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: It took me about um two uh races to hit that goal.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh under two, and and it was it was barely like 158, 159, right?
25:11
SPEAKER_01: But that was huge for me.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Um for my first full marathon, my target was to finish.
25:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: So uh but I had I I had I had to be honest, and and I I I kind of recommend this for for a lot of people who I teach people I speak to, um, you should have like an A, B, and C, right?
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Like what's goal A, what's goal B, and what's goal C, right?
25:35
SPEAKER_01: So um goal A was like hey, you gotta finish this.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: Like that's my number one goal, finish it.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Then depending on how I'm going throughout the race, can I hit goal B?
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Right?
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Goal B was like I think um under five hours, and then goal C was 430 for my for my first uh for my first marathon.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Um I hit I think 438, so I was very close to it.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: I hit goal A and goal B, which made me satisfied, and then I had to come back to try to hit goal C.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: But I I was very satisfied with my race, especially if you give yourself you know three goals and you can accomplish a few of them, you'll be you'll you'll be satisfied.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: You never want to leave a race feeling like I you know I could have done so much better, or oh my god, right, what did I do?
26:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, wow, I did all that training for nothing.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: No, I mean every race is gonna be different.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: Um you're gonna hit different milestones in every race, whether it's mentally, spiritually, you know, physically, you're gonna hit different milestones that you didn't in a previous race, so you always have to think about that, and you're not always gonna hit the goal that that you want.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but there's different levels to it, right?
26:53
SPEAKER_01: So um, so I did that one and I said, Okay, you know, I'm I'm a brute, right?
27:00
SPEAKER_01: So I signed up for the second one that was about two months later, uh, in February.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: This one was in December, this one was now in February, and I'm half injured, right?
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Because my knee still hasn't fully recovered.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: Um brutal.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: I I thought I was gonna do five hours, but I did 445, which was worse than than my first one.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but considering yeah, considering what what I had done, and you know, I I don't know why I did it, but again, I don't regret it.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: This is all learning.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: You're you're learning from every single race, you're learning from every single mistake.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you don't make those mistakes, it it's harder to learn.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: Not that you won't.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: You can learn from other people, you can learn through podcasts, YouTube, right?
27:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but doing it yourself, you you get a different perspective, right?
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and and you really understand, like, oh shoot, maybe I shouldn't do that.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh the third marathon.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Wait, before that, uh uh I want to know that's a positive way you put that because usually, and the reason I say positive, people usually have even it doesn't matter what level running, even like very fast, your average, um, you know, mid-pack, as people like to call it, man, it's a win-win when you're Kachoi says it all the time if you finish that marathon, man, like enjoy that achievement.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: But what I want to say is a positive spin is you do your ABC goal kind of backward to the way most people do it.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you knew that.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: Usually people go, hey, my A goal is the last time, my B goal is my compensation, if you will, time and oh, I just finished the race or like the closest to my marathon time, and you're doing it backwards, which is kind of like a a snowball effect of positivity and also okay, check that out.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Which right feel great mid-run, like, oh, I'm on pace for B.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: Let me push it some more because you're feeling good, but you're doing it the right way.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: You got it, you got it.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: So I I I did it that way just because I want to during the race, I want to look forward to something else.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, can I go can I get here?
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Can I get can I get to this next pace?
28:56
SPEAKER_01: And then sometimes you see the pacers, right?
28:58
SPEAKER_01: And you're like, oh my gosh, can I hit my C goal now or my B goal, right?
29:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, let's go.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: Let's let's let's try to get on it.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: So so I look at it a little differently, um, but there is no right or wrong way to look at these things, right?
29:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean, and then uh one of the biggest things is it's it's always your run, it's not someone else's run.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: It's you you always have to keep in mind your body, your feelings, your your your what state of mind you're in, right?
29:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but I do say one thing, get out there.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: I I I I think that if like there's a saying, you know, that everyone's always worried about having a kid, and they always think of all these negative things when you're when you're when when you're gonna have a kid, you're like, oh my god, it's so expensive, oh my god, you know, I I my life is gone, I have to take care of it, right?
29:48
SPEAKER_01: But once you have one, no one ever regrets it.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: So I I think of the same thing.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're like your worst state of mind that you have ever been, the last thing you want to think of is going for a run.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, every excuse in the book to try to not go for a run, this and that and that.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: You come back, you won't regret it.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: When has anyone ever regretted a workout, right?
30:11
SPEAKER_01: Unless you're a brute like me and then kind of injured yourself, then you might regret it.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: But you still get learnings from that, you still kind of progress from that, right?
30:20
SPEAKER_01: So there's never been a time that I say, like, I did not want to go, and I came back like I shouldn't have gone, right?
30:26
SPEAKER_01: I should.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: That was the worst idea.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: It's like, thank god I went.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: This was, you know, wow, this is what I needed.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I agree with that, man.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a great, again, positive way to put it.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: And like, no one's ever finished a race and go, I mean, look, we have goals we want to achieve.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you didn't hit the time, but you're not gonna regret it the years down the road when you're older or you're passing it on, you know, like you mentioned, kids like, yeah, I ran that marathon, and you know, and there's lessons to be had, um, and it's the right way to look at it.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, some people beat themselves off about it, and some people take the lesson, like, you know, okay, maybe I didn't have a great race.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: What's the lesson here?
31:00
SPEAKER_00: And that's a great way to put it.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, talking about that, I do want to talk family, like, what's your family take on you and running?
31:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, you've continued doing it, you weren't you family wasn't as big, family now bigger.
31:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: You got a little girl.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: I I think so.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: My first two marathons, no kid.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: And obviously that's that that's really the game changer, right?
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Um so when when when I had a kid, I kind of purposely set myself out to prove that this is this is not something that will prevent anyone from from doing anything.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: It's just an obstacle, and it's just something that you have to work around.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: It's just like life.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Life happens.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you you have a child, it's a baby, I have what, maybe four hours of sleep a night.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, if if that, so my wife and I were taking turns on on feeding the baby, on you know, okay, you get this shift, you get that shift, right?
32:00
SPEAKER_01: Somewhere in between I had to find a uh a way to run.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: So um I would either find a treadmill while I'm at work, I have a gym at work, which is phenomenal, right?
32:10
SPEAKER_01: So having a having a treadmill there, having weights there is it's really helpful, it's really convenient.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I had to find a way to to do this.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: So uh where there's a will, there's a way, right?
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh I know that's cliche, but it's true.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: So if you are um waking up at 8 o'clock and you work at 9, the odds are you're not gonna get your run-in.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: If you wake up at 4:30, 5 o'clock, you have time to get your run-in, right?
32:39
SPEAKER_01: You might not want the 10 miles that you you you know that you need to do today, but you plan around that.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: My 10 miles, I'll leave it for Saturday, my 10 miles, I'll leave it for Sunday.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: But let me at least do my four or my five.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: So you have to work around it, but but it's possible.
32:54
SPEAKER_01: Is it easy?
32:54
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, um I I took a break from that last marathon, and we'll we'll talk about it, right?
33:02
SPEAKER_01: And I kind of do this often now, right?
33:04
SPEAKER_01: I take breaks.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: Um I I I take breaks after after a marathon, and it could be a month, it could be three months, it could be four months.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, and this is this is another thing that sounds a bit cliche, but it my body starts calling for it.
33:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey man, get get up.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: It's time to do something hard, it's time to do something difficult, it's time to figure something out, stop bumming out, you know.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: So um, so recently it's it's starting to calm me again.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: But here's here here's the difference.
33:34
SPEAKER_01: The difference is that in the past, um, okay, COVID working from home 100% of the time.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: Then we started doing this hybrid thing, right?
33:43
SPEAKER_01: This hybrid thing back in 2023 or 23, 24.
33:48
SPEAKER_04: Depends where you work, yeah.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, depends where you work.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, my job decided they always want to do this stuff early.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: So um, so I would work Tuesdays through Thursdays um in the office.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: I work an hour away from my house.
34:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then Mondays and Fridays, I was working from home.
34:08
SPEAKER_01: Much more convenient for my running.
34:09
SPEAKER_01: So I technically only sacrifice because I would run Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, right?
34:14
SPEAKER_01: I would sacrifice my Wednesday because I would have to drive to work, work an eight-hour shift, drive back, then run, right?
34:22
SPEAKER_01: Um so I would sacrifice my that's not bad, right?
34:25
SPEAKER_01: That's not that bad.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: So that was what I had to do before my this this marathon.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: Now it's a different challenge.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm back a hundred percent of the time.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: So how am I gonna do this?
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Like how like if I used to wake up at 5 30 to do this, yeah, oh how about now, right?
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Um but but that's the challenge.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's you know, it you know, you you have to make yourself uncomfortable every so often.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: That goes for that goes for anything physical, anything mentally.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, having a baby is is a challenge within itself.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh work, school, whatever it is that you're doing, you have to find something that makes you uncomfortable to grow.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: I I always compare it to uh um you know to breaking a bone.
35:14
SPEAKER_01: When you break a bone, it heals back stronger, right?
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Right?
35:18
SPEAKER_01: When when you uh you know when when you get callus, what what are calits from, right?
35:23
SPEAKER_01: They come back stronger to protect you from whatever it is that you're doing, right?
35:27
SPEAKER_01: That's the same thing, right?
35:28
SPEAKER_01: When you do something difficult, whether it's mental or physically, it it just you grow naturally, right?
35:35
SPEAKER_01: You get stronger, you get you get better.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: So now I'm in I'm in this uh gray zone right now, thinking like, okay, if I do this, because once I commit, I commit.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: There is no uncommitting, right?
35:48
SPEAKER_01: There is no failure.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: Once you commit, it's it's on, right?
35:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh where am I right now?
35:56
SPEAKER_01: How can I do this?
35:57
SPEAKER_01: And the only way that's gonna get me there, the only thing that's gonna get me there is signing up for it.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, talking about signing up for it, let's let's take it back just just a little bit.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: So your third marathon, you had the family, work, toddler, uh, little sleep, like you said, you was juggling and taking turns with the wife.
36:20
SPEAKER_00: How'd you fit it all in and what was your goal even for that third marathon?
36:25
SPEAKER_01: So, how did I fit it in?
36:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I talked about it a little bit.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, you you have to wake up earlier.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: You you have to be you have to you have to be disciplined.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: I can't even I mean, discipline is a is a it is an easy word to say, but it's very hard to accomplish, right?
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Waking up, waking up every day at 5 30, 4, whatever time is what gives you that extra time, and you have to find a a place to do it, and you have to commit, you have to get your wife involved and say, hey, look, these are the days that I'm gonna run.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: I need you to help me these days, right?
37:04
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's the morning, afternoon, or evening.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: You have to figure it out.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't like running in the evening.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, I have a lot of food in me, like breakfast, lunch, then I have an hour drive.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the the the bowels are not in my favor.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: So uh so I don't like to do the the the night running, but you gotta do it.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: You gotta do it.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh and there's time where you need a pit stop and you just just move forward, just get it done, man, one way or another.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'm out there running at eight o'clock pitch black.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and and you you find ways to to to get around it.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: You get get a light bulb, that light bulb, get a light, uh, whatever.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: Headlamp.
37:43
SPEAKER_01: Get lights, like a headlamp, yeah.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and and get through it.
37:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, my goal, which is your second question, my goal was uh sub-4 hours, right?
37:56
SPEAKER_01: And if I was gonna hit that goal, I needed someone like Fitz to help me here.
38:02
SPEAKER_01: So so luckily you you started a new journey at that time.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: And um, I mean, what better timing for for me and a few other buddies that you've had on the podcast, Ozzy and George.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh what better timing for you to start this journey than uh you know that next marathon where I want to PR big time?
38:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're going from a 438 to like a four, right?
38:25
SPEAKER_01: If if I you know if anyone knows what cutting 38 minutes, yeah, it's huge.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: It's huge, right?
38:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so that was my goal for the third marathon.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, uh it's crazy you mentioned it.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, for those listening at the time, I had just gotten my code certification and I reached out, and you might have heard this on a couple episodes now, for anyone listening already or or uh continued listener, but um reached out to co-buddies, like, hey, let me you guys are doing your race, let me coach.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: But what I didn't know at that time was, you know, because you learn through your athletes like what they got going on on a daily-weekly basis when you're fine-tuning their workouts, their runs and stuff.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: All the other stuff you had going on.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: Because you know, you you talk to your friends all the time, but like you become a little bit more in tune when you're coaching someone because it's like I I can do this run today, but no, I got to take the kids somewhere today.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh I gotta work an eight, 12 hour shift today.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, I can't do that weekend, and you're helping them get to their goal and move things around, man.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, you mentioned some of the things that you did to to get there, um, you know, talking with the the wife and and planning those days and kids, but it's quite the experience, man.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I'd say you made it work.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: We didn't hit the top four hour goal, but goddamn pretty close considering what the race was.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I'll let you talk about that.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: How was that race for you?
39:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh tell us about what it was for you.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: So so so right right before I get there, um uh sacrifice, right?
39:53
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I think that you have to sacrifice sometimes to get what you want or to get somewhere that you want to go.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: I who wants to wake up at 4 30 in the morning on a Saturday to run for two, three hours, and you want to wake up that early because you don't want the sun to hit you and and be stuck out there for uh an hour or two under the the Miami sun, um, not to mention the humidity.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: So sometimes you get up and it's rained the night before, or it's currently sprinkling, which is even worse.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: I'd rather I have it rain than sprinkle, because all the vapors just come up from the bottom and and and the breathing is just that much harder, right?
40:30
SPEAKER_01: So um the humidity here in Miami is ridiculous.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's 90% humidity, 100% humidity, right?
40:36
SPEAKER_01: And that sometimes is more challenging than the heat itself.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: Um and and the sweating, the water loss, the you know, the the electrolytes, you you lose electrolytes in seconds, right?
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Um but but I think sacrifice is is a very important um description of what you have to do to get to where you want to go.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: So you do have to sacrifice your your your sleep sometimes, right?
40:59
SPEAKER_01: Even though we know that sleep is essential for recovery, but when you have kids, when you have you know a full-time job, when you have um family you have to visit, when you have all something's gotta give.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's family, sometimes it's sleep.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: Um you gotta make a choice, right?
41:18
SPEAKER_01: And and and there's uh one thing that these the first two marathons taught me is you gotta be prepared for this stuff.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna enjoy it, you wanna be prepared, you wanna enjoy it.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: You you don't you don't want to go through the pain cave as as uh Goggin says it, right?
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Um it's always an experience to go through the pain cave.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna, you know, but the less you can go through that, uh the more fun you'll have.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: So that kind of leads me into the the third marathon.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, where do I start?
41:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean it was pouring rain at the start line, right?
41:51
SPEAKER_01: It was like, oh my god.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: So one of my friends, Rigo, he's like 6'3.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: I stood behind him so he could take the whole wind, because I'm I'm 5'7, right?
42:01
SPEAKER_01: So I I stood behind him like let that guy take all the rain in the wind.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Um being a bit selfish, but I was doing the full, he was doing the half, so I kind of justified it that way, right?
42:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but it it was cold, man.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: It was cold, but uh you know, a few miles in it it kind of helped because your body heat heats up pretty quick.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: So a few miles in, you're like, okay, I'm already getting hot, and then all of a sudden the sun just blasts, right?
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Comes out.
42:31
SPEAKER_01: This the the winds pick up and it's kind of like an open format, like you're right on the water, so all the wind from from you know from the ocean is coming in, and you're you're you're you're kind of pushing against it.
42:44
SPEAKER_01: But I felt really good throughout my my marathon, right?
42:47
SPEAKER_01: I I mean mile 13, uh, which was at the halfway point.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I remember seeing you, you're like, hey, what are what's your pace?
42:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm like 840 or 830 or something like that.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: He's like, man, that's soon.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I know, but I feel good, right?
43:01
SPEAKER_01: I feel good, guys.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: Stick to the plan, right?
43:04
SPEAKER_01: Stick to the plan.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh you never know what what those runs are gonna give you.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: Um and when you feel good, you just want to take advantage of it.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: And you feel you feel high, you feel like you're in a in a different state of euphoria, and you're just like going, and no matter what you have in your ears playing, you're just feeling great.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Um so I'm gonna tell you that I thought I was gonna sub four.
43:30
SPEAKER_01: I thought I was gonna kill that thing.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: Like that was man, I was on pace to like, oof, I was killing it.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: Come mile 22.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm running and I see you again, right?
43:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm out of water, I'm out of like, you know, uh gels.
43:48
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just like, okay, and I'm still going at this pace, but now I'm really feeling it, right?
43:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm feeling it, and I'm like, oh god, what what what's what what's gonna give next?
43:58
SPEAKER_01: And I see you, and I'm like,
44:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I need water.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: So um, so luckily you had a water bottle there.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but for you to keep up to me, you had to go like a like a seventh pace, right?
44:11
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm like, I'm going, I'm I'm on it.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: And I I I did not want to slow down.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Like I was I had a good flow going, so that water helped me get through about two more miles, maybe.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: Because oh man, mile 24 and 25, mind you, it's right, you're right there, man.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: You're right there, and this is where I can tell you I I I 90% of it is mental, man.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: Because getting through those last two miles were worse than the than the than the 24 miles I just did.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, how how is that possible?
44:45
SPEAKER_01: So I remember at one point you were telling me, Milo, just think of the steak.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna have a nice steak.
44:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I don't want steak, I want to finish this right now.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: I want to finish this, I want electrolytes, right?
44:57
SPEAKER_01: I want water, so um that la it it was it was the the last mile, two miles were were brutal, but I did finish at a 402.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: Um and I felt very good about it.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean I was I was very close to to uh hitting my target, but again, the ABCs, right?
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I hit I I hit B.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: Um and I think that you know um I'm ready to test that again soon.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing, man.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: And no, like uh I I agree with that.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: I give you kudos, man.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, for those listening.
45:33
SPEAKER_00: You started with it.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: It was rain, it was downpouring, it was cold.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: But the second half, man, um, you know, for anyone listening, I don't think most people, to be honest with you, would want to finish that race.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that's something for you, Floridians.
45:46
SPEAKER_00: But uh they had they went from cold to rain to 80 plus degrees and the humidity, like you mentioned earlier.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: Then there was a windstorm.
45:54
SPEAKER_00: This is all in the middle of a 26.2, you know, full marathon.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Like even some elites would probably drop out at at this kind of conditions and weather.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: So for you to hang in there and finish, um, and funny you brought up the steak.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: I have forgotten about that, but he looked so serious.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: I wanted to make a joke because no one wants to eat a steak mile 20, anything.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: And but uh it it didn't work, but I was like, here's a water bottle.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: And he hung in there, man.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: I I think um, you know, just reflecting and thinking back from that, because that was December last year for those listening, you would have probably had to forward by a landslide.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: Um in even average conditions, I'm not even talking great conditions, 70 um degrees or something, you probably would have had no problem.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: So, like for you to finish 402, man, it hung in there.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it defeated you a lot after because those conditions elements would anyone.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: But mind you, like I you you never know.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is December.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: You're hoping for uh for a nice weather, you're hoping you know when does it rain in December?
46:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's just you know, you never know.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: So you gotta prep for everything, you gotta be ready for anything.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and it all makes you better, it makes you stronger, it makes you uh, you know, next time you wanna go train in in the rain and you're scared to, I mean, you can't control the weather on race day, so go figure it out, you know.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: You're three marathons in now, man.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: Um what would you tell yourself looking back for this next one or just reflecting on those past three?
47:30
SPEAKER_01: Um reflecting on those past three.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: Well uh outside of just you know being consistent, and I think I was I was very consistent, right?
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Um I I I do want to get a bit faster.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think I started my my speed training uh a little late, but it it's you know, it it was late, but I you need to have your base, right?
47:54
SPEAKER_01: You need to have your base downpack, you need to make sure that you know your ankles can handle it, your calves can handle it, your hips can handle it, right?
48:01
SPEAKER_01: Your quads can handle it, your glutes can handle it, right?
48:03
SPEAKER_01: Once all of that can handle, you know, an extended amount of time, then you can start getting into the the the speed, right?
48:11
SPEAKER_01: So whenever my next uh marathon is, I'll be I'll be working on speed.
48:16
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
48:16
SPEAKER_01: Um I man, I I think it's it's never enough uh nutrition during a race.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: I feel like every time I go out there, I need more, right?
48:25
SPEAKER_01: Like I think I went out with like seven gels this time or eight.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: I had a ton of gels and I'm like, where's the rest?
48:31
SPEAKER_01: Like you need more.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Um so so just better prep uh for that.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: Um don't rush it.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: Don't rush things.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: Just just go with the plan.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, feel your body.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Like, what is it telling you?
48:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, don't do it, do it.
48:46
SPEAKER_01: Um take it easy because you know, it's better to get to that start line than get injured right before.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, talking about that, uh, you got sick like two weeks before, no?
48:57
SPEAKER_00: On top of that.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I forgot about that.
48:59
SPEAKER_00: Uh still did 402.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: So so it the funny thing is it wasn't like a like a COVID, it wasn't like a cold, it wasn't a fever, it was a stomach virus.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: And for any of you who've been through those, which most people have, you get dehydrated, man.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: Like it just, you know, it was non-stop for I I want to say three, four, five, I don't even remember.
49:24
SPEAKER_01: It was days after days of just like bathroom, bathroom, bathroom, bathroom, bathroom, and nothing can hydrate me.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: This is leading up to the race.
49:31
SPEAKER_01: This is maybe I mean, two days prior to my race is when it finally calmed down.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: And I don't even want to say it stopped.
49:39
SPEAKER_01: It just like calmed down, it got it got better.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: So now I have to play catch up to try to hydrate, you know, before the race and try to make sure I have enough electrolytes in me and and I'm uh you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm have the nutrition that I need to at least get get to the start line.
49:55
SPEAKER_01: Um so going through all of that, I mean in my head I said, I don't care what I'm going through.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm still gonna make it to that start line and somehow get to the end, right?
50:04
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's a four hour, five hour, or six hour.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna I'm gonna get to the end, right?
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Um unless it's something uh detrimental to your health, uh I I probably would not say no to to the start line.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: That's that's strong, man.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, not not everyone can do that, uh, which makes me want to ask you, where's that drive and and power come from?
50:32
SPEAKER_01: Inside.
50:33
SPEAKER_01: It's um it it's like I said, it it's mental.
50:36
SPEAKER_01: It it a lot of it is mental.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: And I I do the same thing at work, I do the same thing with my family, I do the same thing um when when when I'm doing physical exercise.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: I always have to have a goal in mind or when I'm in investing or when I'm looking into anything.
50:51
SPEAKER_01: I always have a goal in mind.
50:53
SPEAKER_01: And and I said it earlier, I said that you know, I think the only thing that's gonna get me to start doing this next journey to my next my fourth marathon is signing up for it.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: And that's that's putting that goal, that's having that carrot for you to chase, right?
51:08
SPEAKER_01: And that's just me.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: I that's how I work, right?
51:10
SPEAKER_01: I need that carrot to chase.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: I need that carrot to chase, and and and it's just it's just full speed, like I, you know, I I won't stop until I get it, right?
51:19
SPEAKER_01: And it's just go, go, go, go.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's an internal drive that I have, um, from from all perspectives, right?
51:26
SPEAKER_01: From a personal perspective, a business perspective, uh, physical, you know, mentally, it's it's it's an internal drive that you know I if you don't set goals for yourself, what are you striving for?
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, true.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm curious, do you ever think now, you know, as a newer dad and and family, what they would think going future, you know, you're you're a little older, let's say fast forward ten years from now, what what you would want your child to like think of, like, yeah, my dad's a total bad, you know what?
51:57
SPEAKER_01: I I love it.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: I love it because uh even today she says uh and you know we speak to her in Spanish only, so that because we know we know the English will come, right?
52:07
SPEAKER_01: So we're just talking to her in Spanish and Spanish.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: So she goes to me a jisi, a jadsicio, right?
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Exercise, exercise.
52:14
SPEAKER_02: That's funny.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: Because she sees me doing exercise in the garage all the time.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: She sees me doing like my my core workouts on the ground, my my push-ups when I'm at a hotel today.
52:23
SPEAKER_01: I had to put on a YouTube video to do some core.
52:26
SPEAKER_01: Like it and here's another thing about exercising, right?
52:30
SPEAKER_01: I and I I I'm gonna reference Ozzy for a second and and shout out to him for bringing this to your podcast.
52:37
SPEAKER_01: It's the the 10-minute rule, right?
52:40
SPEAKER_01: I I think the 10-minute rule is so important and can get people so far.
52:45
SPEAKER_01: Anyone can do anything for 10 minutes for the most part.
52:49
SPEAKER_01: So today I'm in a hotel, I don't have a gym, I don't have right, it's it's kind of cloudy outside, so it's about to rain.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: So I put on a YouTube video.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: It's 15 minutes of of core, right?
53:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh diff different types of core exercises, and I'm done.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: 15 minutes and I'm done.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I could have been watching TV, I could have been um, I don't know, uh drinking beer, right?
53:13
SPEAKER_01: But those 15 minutes, it doesn't kill anyone.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: And then you could you could be consistent with 15 minutes or or 10 minutes, right?
53:21
SPEAKER_01: I say 10 minutes because you can be consistent.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: You you can you can do 10 minutes right before you shower.
53:27
SPEAKER_01: You can be right right before you shower.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: You do squats, some push-ups, right, for 10 minutes and jump in the shower and you're done, right?
53:34
SPEAKER_01: You could do it before you go to sleep, which might raise your heart rate.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: I might not recommend it, but you can do it right before you sleep, 10 minutes, right?
53:41
SPEAKER_01: What happens is that those 10 minutes begin evolving into 12, 16, 20, and and in Ozzy's point, it was you know, five hours.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: It it evolved, it all starts somewhere.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: You always have to plan a seed, and it has to be um achievable, attainable.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: If if it's achievable, it's attainable.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: If you could do it every day, um it it'll it'll manifest itself, in in my opinion.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: So back kind of going back to to your your point with my daughter, um she sees it all the time, right?
54:16
SPEAKER_01: So I am that example of like, hey, exercise is good.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: Hey, my dad does exercise all the time.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: So she'll lay next to me and start doing leg lifts, right, with me, or she'll see me do push-ups and she does her version of the push-ups, right?
54:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's super cute, but I know that I'm setting a right example for her.
54:32
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: And and and and this is not gonna be uh something different to her.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be normal to do a workout every day.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be normal to get on the ground, it's gonna be normal to to to lift heavy stuff, right?
54:45
SPEAKER_01: For her, it's just gonna be part of life, and that's what I want to instill in her.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: No, man, that that's all awesome, man.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: I love to hear it.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, like she's gonna grow up and see, you know, a dad who's always working out in shape and stuff, and that's gonna hopefully have some ripple effects of her wanting to do whatever it is in Endeavor, that's gonna be cool and effects, no pun intended.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know that meant ripple.
55:08
SPEAKER_00: But and I agree with you, man.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: The 10-minute rule is awesome, man.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: I often see it now with coaching.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's better for you to be able to do whatever your mileage is consistently, week in, week out, than say, hey, I went hard on my long run, but I like died out there and I can't run tomorrow.
55:25
SPEAKER_01: Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, just be consistent every day.
55:29
SPEAKER_01: And if you if you have those 10 minutes in mind, it's it's easy, right?
55:34
SPEAKER_01: Like it's it could be 10 minutes of anything.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: Just get your heart pumping, get the blood flowing, get get oxygen to your brain.
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Those 10 minutes of anything is better than not.
55:44
SPEAKER_00: I want to ask you, and it sounds like it might be the 10-minute rule, but like what would you say to those other dads who have a job, got family?
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Hey, I don't have time.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I think you're right.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: I think it is the the 10-minute rule.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but there's another piece to this.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: You you have to want it.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: It I mean, if if you don't want it, even those 10 minutes are gonna look hard, they're gonna feel hard, or you're gonna give up after two or three days.
56:09
SPEAKER_01: So you always have to step back and think about why do I want to do the 10 minutes?
56:12
SPEAKER_01: What goal am I trying to achieve?
56:14
SPEAKER_01: Again, goal, goal, right?
56:16
SPEAKER_01: What goal am I trying to achieve?
56:17
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's losing weight, whether it's uh mental stability, whether it's uh physical, right?
56:24
SPEAKER_01: You just you you just want to get stronger.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, whether it's you know I mean, there's so many different reasons why one should hit those 10 minutes every day.
56:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you you really have to want it.
56:36
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you have to write down those goals.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: You have to tell yourself, this is what I want, this is what I want, this is what I want.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: And it has to manifest within yourself, right?
56:46
SPEAKER_01: Um and and I and I always bring back the 10 minutes because I think that once you do the 10 minutes, you feel better.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: Like you you you'll automatically just just start feeling better.
56:56
SPEAKER_01: So tomorrow it's not bad, it doesn't take up a lot of time, you're not over stressing yourself, and you feel better after it.
57:02
SPEAKER_01: So why not?
57:03
SPEAKER_01: And then have that goal in mind, right?
57:05
SPEAKER_01: And then it it's a domino effect, and and you and anyone who exercises know this.
57:11
SPEAKER_01: After those 10 minutes, you may not want to eat that pizza.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: After those 10 minutes, you may not want to eat a uh a cupcake, right?
57:18
SPEAKER_01: After those 10 minutes, you may say, Man, let me have uh fruits or let me just shower and go to bed.
57:24
SPEAKER_01: Let me so it's a domino effect.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: When when you exercise, you'll you'll start cutting little things off to not um you know damage what you've done for the most part, right?
57:35
SPEAKER_00: And I wanted to pause right here on that very moment.
57:39
SPEAKER_00: What a quick way to catch some positive wins in simply uh a small 10 minutes.
57:44
SPEAKER_00: You're listening to the People Run podcast.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: I hope you're enjoying this episode.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: Back to the episode.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, you mentioned it a couple times.
57:50
SPEAKER_00: You like to take a break sometimes in between races, and uh it's funny.
57:53
SPEAKER_00: I can kind of tell when Milo is uh starting to get a little bit more consistent and probably thinking of jumping in something new because he'll start taking these breaks and out of nowhere, I'll start seeing he's running a little bit more consistently.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: So talk to me uh where you're at now.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh you're starting to run a little bit more again.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh what are you thinking next?
58:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh I told you um, you know, anytime that we're gonna do something like this, it takes a lot of sacrifice, it takes a lot of commitment.
58:17
SPEAKER_01: So it it it's pretty draining, and and I always have to have a goal, right?
58:22
SPEAKER_01: So when I don't sign up for anything, that's my break time, right?
58:26
SPEAKER_01: And that's like, okay, let me not worry about anything, let me just relax, let me kind of absorb.
58:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then I get the itch again.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: It could be a month, it could be a few months later, and I get the itch again.
58:37
SPEAKER_01: So now I'm in the um, I'm in the getting my feet what uh stage, right?
58:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, let me just start building on that base again.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: Let me just see where this is going.
58:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to work around my schedule right now.
58:53
SPEAKER_01: So I'm trying to see, like, okay, if I were to do this, how would it look like?
58:56
SPEAKER_01: What would it look like?
58:57
SPEAKER_01: What what uh what sacrifices would I have to make, or what would my schedule be like, uh considering my new situation, right?
59:06
SPEAKER_01: So there's a hybrid situation, now it's a hundred percent back with a baby.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: What does this all look like?
59:12
SPEAKER_01: Right?
59:12
SPEAKER_01: And and the question is not whether it's feasible or not, it's you know, how much do you want it and how much are you willing to sacrifice to get it?
59:22
SPEAKER_01: So that's the stage that I'm in today.
59:24
SPEAKER_01: Um traveling would make it a little bit harder if I had to travel somewhere to to do it, but then again, I don't want to do the same thing over and over.
59:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, for example, I did the the West Palm run twice.
59:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm done.
59:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think someone mentioned I think I think Ozzy mentioned like crap, it's a loop, like loop and loop, and and it's it's tough to do these loops.
59:45
SPEAKER_01: So I'd I'd love to experience something different that's not a loop, and I'd also like to experience something out of state.
59:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it just makes it that much more difficult.
59:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I will definitely uh let you know when uh that time comes.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: Um this year I will say that it's it's a bit tough.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: I had a nice vacation in in Europe and that took up a bunch of my vacation time.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: But I'm thinking uh beginning of next year is uh is a good time, it's good timing for me.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: Plenty of time to to trade and get there.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_00: Uh um are those breaks you take like instinctual?
1:00:21
SPEAKER_00: You just want to take the time, recover the body, um, also just time frame, you know, maybe you got more work going on, a project or something, or let me just spend more time with family.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, it it's a mix of everything because um situations change, right?
1:00:34
SPEAKER_01: Like I mentioned earlier, the hybrid situation just went away all of a sudden, and it just so happens that it was right after my last marathon.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_01: So I I took a break um from all the sacrifice that I was doing.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh I kind of had to get resituated um and understand where I stand.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_01: Now I'm starting to dabble a little bit and see see where I'm heading.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_01: But uh the breaks, I mean I've also learned my lesson, you know, you have to take a break.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, and it's how you feel.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_01: And then after a while, it's like, okay, what you know, what am I doing?
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: What's my next goal?
1:01:05
SPEAKER_01: What's next?
1:01:06
SPEAKER_01: What am I gonna you know get myself?
1:01:08
SPEAKER_01: What what challenge am I ready to take on?
1:01:11
SPEAKER_01: So that that's kind of where I'm at now.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_01: And that happens with with anything, right?
1:01:14
SPEAKER_01: With work, it happens all the time.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, now what?
1:01:17
SPEAKER_01: After a year of doing the same thing, or after two years of doing the same thing, like what's my next goal?
1:01:21
SPEAKER_01: What's my next achievement?
1:01:22
SPEAKER_01: Where where am I heading?
1:01:24
SPEAKER_01: So that that's kind of my why I break.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_00: No, it's smart, man.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_00: It lets you keep your sanity, you know, focus on family, or just recover the the muscles, spend some time, focus on work, whatever that may be.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: It's just a smart thing to do.
1:01:38
SPEAKER_00: I think more people should take a break, you know, and you eventually get back to it, sign up.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, once once I sign up, it's over, right?
1:01:47
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm committed, committed, and and like there's no looking back.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_01: So um and it's a bit scary sometimes because I'm so focused on that stuff that I know it's a huge sacrifice for me, but it again, it's worth it.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_01: Like it's worth it.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_01: When you get to that finish line, it's all worth it.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: If you don't mind me asking, what's your wife take on all this?
1:02:06
SPEAKER_00: You know, we talked about it a little bit, but what's your wife's take when you go, Okay, I'm I'm signing up, I need this time.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_01: She goes, Oh, here we go again, right?
1:02:15
SPEAKER_01: So she knows that that, you know, and and you know, I'm very grateful for her, uh, but she knows that she has to give a little bit also for for this and for these challenges that I that I that I put myself into.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: It's not that it's a requirement, right?
1:02:30
SPEAKER_01: This is no one's telling you to do it, no one's holding a gun to your head.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_01: This is something that you want to do for your own good, uh, for your mental health, for your physical, you know, for your personal goals.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, there's she has to sacrifice too, right?
1:02:45
SPEAKER_01: So um she understands it.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, she she helps me as much as I can.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, you know, she she's fed up with it, like you're always running, but I have to kind of like, you know, I did sign up for this.
1:02:58
SPEAKER_01: It's just four months of training, just four months, almost half a year, if you think about it, right?
1:03:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like half a year of training.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but she understands and she's there to cheer me on, you know, when when when I do have those races.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: And this is like like you mentioned, right?
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: This is a great example for my daughter to say, like, yeah, I saw I saw my dad, you know, running and and finishing a marathon, which you know, only less than one percent of the population can can can finish.
1:03:24
SPEAKER_01: Um it's a it's a great feat and it's a great example for for for everyone, you know.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a great point, man.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_00: And for those listening, whether you're uh a parent, partner, you're juggling life, you're going to school, this is just another reminder, man, uh Milo story that you can do it.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh you just gotta chase it if you want it, as he mentioned, man.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh make it meaningful.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, if this one hits home, share it, subscribe, send it to a friend that you want to help get started.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_00: This is the people run, and this is Milo's story, man.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_00: It's an important one, man.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_00: Uh, thank you, Milo.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh for everyone listening.
1:03:59
SPEAKER_00: This is the people run.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_00: Until next time.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: Of course, man.