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- 0:01Hello and welcome to the show. Today the question we're going
- 0:04to tackle is on building loyalty and repeat business.
- 0:09For those of you who've been listening to the show for any
- 0:13length of time, you know that this is already a familiar
- 0:16topic. But like I say, this is
- 0:17something that we can't overflog, that we can't
- 0:20overstress. So why a loyalty, loyalty or
- 0:26some sort of brand affinity is something that comes ahead of
- 0:31repeat purchases and referrals. Because unless people are loyal
- 0:36and unless people have some sort of brand affinity with you,
- 0:38they're not going to come back to buy again and they're not
- 0:41going to refer. We can look at this in the
- 0:45negative aspect. If people are totally pissed off
- 0:48at you, then rest assured they're not going to buy from
- 0:51you again and they're not going to refer anyone.
- 0:54Now, there are some people who are in a monopoly situation.
- 0:56So if you're in a monopoly situation like you are a utility
- 1:00provider, for instance, in Nigeria, yes, they all go by
- 1:04different names, but essentially it's all Napa because PHCN you
- 1:08know, back when they made the the name change, PHCNI, remember
- 1:12some people used to say the problem has changed name instead
- 1:16of the what's it called power holding company of Nigeria.
- 1:20So some people just say power has changed name.
- 1:23So for those of you who are not Nigerians listening to the show,
- 1:26the PHCN is the power utility provider in Nigeria right now.
- 1:33So it's not like the UK when it comes to gas where you have
- 1:38alternatives of some sort. Because back in the UK, I'm not
- 1:42sure about now, but back then there was Scottish gas and there
- 1:45was UK something I can't remember.
- 1:48And that's how your your house, your business or whatever gets
- 1:53powered. So in a way, you had a choice,
- 1:57but right now in Nigeria, there's no choice.
- 1:59Everybody has to use the PHCN. And yeah, so if you're in that
- 2:04sort of situation, if you're enjoying monopoly, then to hell
- 2:08with all this stuff. We're talking about customer
- 2:09referrals and loyalty and brand affinity.
- 2:12People don't have a choice. You want power, they're going to
- 2:15come through you. Now for those of us who don't
- 2:18have monopoly situations going on, then loyalty or brand
- 2:23affinity is the thing and it's a precursor to us having repeat
- 2:27purchase and referrals. So we have to work on these
- 2:30sorts of things. Now.
- 2:31Why is it a worthy goal? If you listen to the episode
- 2:35that I did, I think 2 episodes back on maximizing lifetime
- 2:40customer value, then it's going to make a whole lot of sense.
- 2:43So building loyalty, all kinds of brand affinity, all this is a
- 2:48worthy goal because you have maximize lifetime customer
- 2:54value. You're going to be able to get
- 2:56the larger amount or the maximum amounts or fuller amount that
- 3:01you can possibly get from your customers because they're coming
- 3:04back to you again and again. And then also it makes
- 3:07attracting sales a whole lot easier because when people come
- 3:11back again and again, you don't have to go through the whole
- 3:13toasting phase in order to get them to buy from you.
- 3:16And when they refer people to buy from you, let's say a
- 3:20regular customer you've been doing business with for three
- 3:23months or maybe even a year or something, if they refer someone
- 3:27to you, there's a certain level of credibility that you can take
- 3:33advantage of. So if Chukudi says deal with
- 3:36Chemi, Chemi is the correct babe.
- 3:38She's the one that catered my children's naming ceremony or
- 3:44whatever. There's a certain level of trust
- 3:46and credibility that goes with the fact that Chukudi is
- 3:49referring you. So if people think Chukudi is a
- 3:53correct guy and Chukudi says deal with Kami, people just
- 3:57assume, OK, Chukudi is a correct guy, therefore Kami must be a
- 4:01correct girl. Therefore she is a correct
- 4:04vendor to deal with when it comes to catering for weddings,
- 4:10birthday parties, baby baptisms, all these sorts of things.
- 4:14So it makes attracting sales a whole lot easier because the
- 4:18business deals that are going to come in will be pre qualified.
- 4:21Because if you look at things from your own end, if Chukudi is
- 4:24a correct guy, Chukudi has sent, I mean Chukudi always pays on
- 4:28time. He pays ahead of time.
- 4:30He has referred to people to you, they pay ahead of time.
- 4:34Then you can assume that all the deals that are coming through
- 4:37Chukudi will already be pre qualified, will be correct guys
- 4:41correct. Girls who pay on time, who don't
- 4:43give hassles. But of course that doesn't mean
- 4:45that you should abandoned the good business practice of having
- 4:50sales. Sorry.
- 4:51Having discovery conversations. And what's the other one?
- 4:57Discovery qualifications and qualification conversations.
- 5:01Asking questions about the person, asking questions about
- 5:03the problem, trying to figure out what it is that's going on,
- 5:06what it is that they are trying to achieve, things like that.
- 5:08Having the money conversations. We should still have all those
- 5:11conversations with people. It's just that when people are
- 5:15loyal to you and referring deals to you, opportunities to you,
- 5:20this whole toasting phase, it goes a whole lot quicker because
- 5:23there's a certain level of trust that has already been built.
- 5:26There's a certain level of rapport that has already been
- 5:30built. And This is why loyalty and all
- 5:33kinds of brand affinity are worthy goals to pursue in
- 5:36business. Now the question as usual, I'm
- 5:40going to break it up in two parts so that we can handle this
- 5:43Sydney systematic way. So First off, how do you build
- 5:49loyalty? This is not a question that I
- 5:51can answer adequately because this is a question for customer
- 5:55service experts, for customer relationship experts, account
- 5:59management specialists, you know those sorts of things.
- 6:02So if you want to know a whole lot about building loyalty with
- 6:07your clients, especially if you want to learn about it in a
- 6:10holistic, systematic, you know, 365 version, you should be
- 6:16paying attention to podcasts that are devoted to these sorts
- 6:20of things. However, like I say on the show,
- 6:24sales and business development, which is my area of speciality,
- 6:28has a lot to say about different aspects and different facets of
- 6:31business. So from a sales and business
- 6:34development perspective, yes, we do have important things to say
- 6:38when it comes to getting repeat business and when it comes to
- 6:40getting referrals. And by what will I say?
- 6:45By extension, you can kind of read them between the lines and
- 6:49you'll be able to figure out a couple of things that you can do
- 6:51that will be good for building loyalty with your clients.
- 6:56But remember the caveat that I've given so far, you want a
- 6:59fuller treatment of this. You should be looking for
- 7:02podcasts that have to do with customer service, customer
- 7:05relationships, account management, what else?
- 7:08Account management, CX, customer experience, what else?
- 7:14UX, user experience in all those sorts of things, you paying
- 7:17attention to them. Unfortunately, I don't know any
- 7:21Nigerian podcast that I can refer to you guys at the moment.
- 7:25So you just have to make do with all the western stuff that is
- 7:28out there. And that is the reason why
- 7:31podcasts like mine and absolute treasure to you guys, especially
- 7:34those of you who are Nigerian because we don't have a lot out
- 7:37there that are trying to take these principles and translate
- 7:40them into the Nigerian experience, into Nigerian lingo
- 7:43so that we can apply it accordingly.
- 7:46So where was I? OK, yeah, so I was saying that
- 7:50sales and business development, yes, we have some important
- 7:52things to say about getting repeat business and by
- 7:56extension, building loyalty amongst your customers.
- 8:01Then the second-half of the question is repeat business
- 8:04because, you know, it's twofold, building loyalty and then repeat
- 8:06business. So let's look at the repeat
- 8:08business angle here. Now, when you're trying to get
- 8:11repeat business, it's a function of a couple of things.
- 8:13I'll say 2 main things #1 is what I like to call the customer
- 8:18debrief really important, And then #2 is the whole thing of
- 8:21asking for referrals. Because some people just assume
- 8:24that if I'm the very best at what I do, that people will
- 8:26refer me. It's true, but it's also kind of
- 8:29not true. Even if you're the absolute
- 8:32bomb, the people who are going to refer you are going to be
- 8:36really, really, really small, really minute.
- 8:40So if you want the percentages to go up, you have to ask.
- 8:44Now, I learned that the hard way, my wedding photography
- 8:46practice, because I think I had done about 20 weddings until one
- 8:51bride referred me and I was absolutely over the moon.
- 8:55The thing didn't click anyway, but I settled over the moon and
- 8:57then I sat down. I thought about it like guy
- 8:59come, there's a serious problem. You've done 20 weddings and only
- 9:02one person has referred you. So at the time I assumed that
- 9:05there was a problem with me with my art, not necessarily there
- 9:09was just a problem with my business processes.
- 9:12Am I selling, selling frameworks and processes Because I was not
- 9:16asking for referrals. Now those of you who do the I
- 9:21just did greet thing, Nigerians, you know where you just call and
- 9:25say, ah Madam, how you doing? I just want to greet you Bros
- 9:28how far now I just did heal. You know all those kinds of
- 9:30conversations. You'll notice that the number of
- 9:34referrals that you get goes up because you're remaining top of
- 9:36mind now you are not asking for referrals, but you can see how
- 9:40simple things that don't even add value like Bros.
- 9:43I just did heal Madam. I say make I greet you, the
- 9:47children, how those sorts of things and even increase your
- 9:50referrals not to talk of when it's now come up with policies
- 9:54in place, practices in place for actually looking for referrals.
- 10:00So yeah, back to the two elements.
- 10:03So like I said, in my own opinion, is the customer debrief
- 10:06and then it's asking for referrals.
- 10:07Now the customer debrief or the follow up as some of us call it
- 10:12Niger, is that place? Is that a part of the business
- 10:16relationship where you call someone, you follow up with
- 10:19someone and the whole point of the call is, you know, Bros, are
- 10:21you happy, Madam, are you happy? And we're also trying to figure
- 10:26out if the brand promise was fulfilled.
- 10:29The technical sense of these technical names for this is
- 10:31customer satisfaction and customer success.
- 10:35So what that means is, is the customer satisfied?
- 10:37Are they happy? And then the thing that they
- 10:39bought your product or service for, did they achieve that goal?
- 10:43So if you sell exercise equipments, exercise bikes, I'm
- 10:47sure you think my bikes cost 300 grand, that top of the line, OK,
- 10:54No, no, maybe not 300 grand cause the price of things have
- 10:56gone up. I don't think I've seen an
- 10:57exercise bike for 200 or 300 in a while.
- 11:00So let me say 500. So your bikes are 500 top of the
- 11:04line. You deliver it to Madam and you
- 11:06think problem solved and you're now hoping that maybe Madam, she
- 11:11has lots of rich friends, maybe she belongs to Ikeja Country
- 11:14Club, that's for those of you in Lagos and you think she will
- 11:17just automatically refer you to her friends.
- 11:22That OK, I bought an exercise bike from this guy, from this
- 11:24girl and it's top of the line. You know that's not how it
- 11:27works. You should be in touch with
- 11:30Madame, let's say Madame Bianca later on.
- 11:33You should be in touch with Madame Bianca later on.
- 11:35They say Madame, how are you doing?
- 11:37Hope you're enjoying the bike. There's no problem.
- 11:40It hasn't broken down as you should be following up.
- 11:43It's not just enough that she's happy with the bike.
- 11:45Want to be sure that she has been using the bike.
- 11:48That is where the whole thing of the brand promise being
- 11:50fulfilled comes in. So if you need to recommend
- 11:53personal trainers or if you need to send her YouTube videos or
- 11:57something that will help her use the equipment, you know, that is
- 11:59where all this relationship nurturing and all this
- 12:01relationship building and all that comes in.
- 12:04Because if she's happy with the equipment, but then the brand
- 12:08promise is actually fulfilled, she ends up using this thing and
- 12:13she ends up losing. Let's see, let's say she loses
- 12:1712 kilograms in two months. Let's say, OK, no, that's too
- 12:21much. Let's say 12 kilograms in three
- 12:23months. It is then that she will now
- 12:25tell her friends that are near. There's this guy who's on the
- 12:29island. He saw my exercise bike.
- 12:31He hooked me up with this person.
- 12:33He did this, he did that. That's the reason why as you're
- 12:35looking at me now, I have come down from size 22.
- 12:38I'm now size 18. That is the kind of thing that
- 12:41builds referrals, repeat business, stuff like that.
- 12:45So when I'm when Madam Bianca gets bored with the exercise
- 12:48bike and she's thinking what else can I add to my routine,
- 12:51that is the reason why she will call you for something else.
- 12:56Because you did the debrief. You called up.
- 12:59But I'm Bianca. I hope you're happy with the
- 13:01purchase. Hope you're making progress.
- 13:04You're not making progress. What happened now is just in the
- 13:07house. You're not using it.
- 13:08OK? There's too much boredom.
- 13:10And no problem. I know this guy, Brandon, or I
- 13:13know this lady. Get me this phone number, she
- 13:17can be coming by the house 2-3 times a week.
- 13:20She's not too expensive, just follow her routine, blah, blah,
- 13:23blah. Everything will be well, OK, you
- 13:25don't want strangers in your house, OK, that is YouTube
- 13:28resources I can send, blah blah, blah.
- 13:30So is the level of concern, that level of follow up.
- 13:33I'm trying to make sure that they are successful with the
- 13:35purchase. That is what is going to get you
- 13:37repeat business and referrals. You know when you ask later on.
- 13:41So there are two things, the debrief and sorry, two things
- 13:46need to debrief. Are they happy?
- 13:48And then was the brand, was the promise fulfilled?
- 13:51OK, yeah, let's scratch brand. So are they happy?
- 13:54And was the promise fulfilled for buying the product or the
- 13:56service? Now, the reason why I picked
- 13:58exercise equipment was because, well, First off, I think it's
- 14:02the worst kind of example that I can't pick now because all of us
- 14:07know that uncle or that auntie or that colleague, in fact might
- 14:11even be your wife or your husband who bought said exercise
- 14:15bike back when it was 80K or 120K.
- 14:20But the thing has been in your house gathering dust for the
- 14:23last five years. In fact, what you guys do is you
- 14:25hand the children's school uniform and that is what you
- 14:29hang the children's school uniform on so that in the
- 14:31morning when everybody's ready to go to school, you just take
- 14:33it off the exercise bike and then the children get dressed
- 14:36and then they leave. So I picked the worst possible
- 14:38example ever. And that is also the reason why
- 14:41for those of you who have exercise bikes in your house,
- 14:43whenever somebody says, oh, can you refer me where you bought
- 14:46this equipment? That is the reason why you
- 14:48cannot even remember where you bought the damn thing.
- 14:52You can't remember the person's number, you know that?
- 14:54OK, the shop was somewhere on Lagos Island.
- 14:58I'm not quite sure that time. I used to work at this place,
- 15:00that place, Maybe it might be this street, maybe that might be
- 15:03that street. That's the reason why I can't
- 15:05remember. They can't make a referral even
- 15:07when your friends ask because the person who sold the exercise
- 15:10bike never followed up with you, never called called up to say
- 15:13Bros how you did. I hope you're enjoying this
- 15:15exercise bike, Madam. I hope everything is good with
- 15:18the exercise bike should be is not breaking.
- 15:20It's not breaking down. The pneumatics are still in
- 15:22points. It's not rusting.
- 15:24It's not this Oh how how you going with the with the weight
- 15:28gain dieting for training. You need other resources.
- 15:34You guys never had those conversations and that's why
- 15:36till today your exercise bike is in your house.
- 15:39The past 10 years, you can't remember who sold it to you, You
- 15:42can't remember the shop. And even if anybody asks, can
- 15:45you refer, you can't refer because you can't remember the
- 15:47dude or you can't remember the lady who you bought the thing
- 15:50from. So that's why I picked that as
- 15:53an example. So we have to do the debrief, we
- 15:58have to make sure they're happy. We have to make sure that the
- 16:01promise of mind, the product or service was fulfilled.
- 16:04And then after that we have to ask for the referrals.
- 16:08So tomorrow we will go into some more details because we've
- 16:11already done some details right now about how to handle the
- 16:16customer or the client debriefs. So yeah, 16 minutes.
- 16:20Let me bring it to a close. I don't want to keep doing any
- 16:22more 30 minute episodes, especially since I've been
- 16:25fairly regular these days and I guess a 30 minute commitment
- 16:28every single day. It's too much to ask of you
- 16:29guys. So thank you very much.
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