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Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty · Talk About That

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  Speaker 1: Hey out there to all of our friends from Banter Town,
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  Speaker 1: this is John. As you've probably heard by now after
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  Speaker 1: 10 years of Talk About That episodes airing most every week,
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  Speaker 1: Johnny and I have hit an especially busy season in
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  Speaker 2: Today on Talk About That, John cleans out his office
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  Speaker 2: and gets mad at his younger self while listening to
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  Speaker 2: some old tapes. Meanwhile, I tell you the history of
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  Speaker 2: the windshield wiper and the story of the man whose
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  Speaker 2: own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar
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  Speaker 2: of his captors. Plus a conversation about certainty and humility
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  Speaker 2: and why a clear path may not always be the
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  Speaker 3: Johnny, if you're watching right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which you are, but I'm speaking to the other
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  Speaker 1: people listening. After many years of discussion, I have cleared
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  Speaker 1: out my office. It's now been completely painted. I have
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  Speaker 1: carpet tiles that we're putting in. Like right now, I'll offset.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in here.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot. It's chaos. And then we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get into it, but you've unraveled like a couple of
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  Speaker 2: decades of memories.
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  Speaker 3: I've spent about two weeks going through 20 years, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is some.
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  Speaker 3: Some stuff goes back further.
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  Speaker 2: And we're about to trauma bond over it probably.
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  Speaker 1: Probably.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it's probably Scarlet Thread related.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of Scarlet Thread.
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  Speaker 2: Which is John and I's.
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  Speaker 3: Old band.
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  Speaker 2: Old band.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Our Christian rocker days. There's a lot of early books.
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  Speaker 2: There was some spiky hair bandied about back then.
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  Speaker 3: With some frosted tips. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People still frost tips.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anybody out there still doing that? Maybe it'll
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  Speaker 2: come back. Everything comes back.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be great if we could take an old
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  Speaker 3: photo and it. suddenly we were relevant again.
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  Speaker 2: We need to throw up a photo of the old
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  Speaker 2: band on the old monitor here. One of these days,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody, cause somebody asked me the other
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  Speaker 2: day to see a photo of the band.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, no, you, you, you'd be, we.
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  Speaker 3: Looked, I mean, I could do it. No, it would
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  Speaker 3: take me a minute.
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  Speaker 2: But it's fine. It's okay. It's okay, John. Nobody cares.
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  Speaker 3: It goes back to old youth ministry days. 19.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, you mean going through all these memories? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Um, well, one, we have a new shot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're at the same desk, which is what
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  Speaker 1: you've been wanting to try. And I think so far
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  Speaker 1: it's going swimmingly.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like you're a little close. But the other
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  Speaker 2: shot kind of felt like we were on a Zoom call,
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  Speaker 2: even though we were in the same room. It just
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  Speaker 2: felt like we were still in COVID days. It feels
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  Speaker 2: like you're leaning to the left to talk to me.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Because we're trying to be
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  Speaker 3: in the shot still.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Does it bother you?
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  Speaker 4: No. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is just how I lean, John.
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  Speaker 3: Because your microphone could do this.
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  Speaker 2: I've got scoliosis, John.
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  Speaker 3: If you wanted to go. No, I mean the top
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  Speaker 3: part just leans over.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean this like here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How do you want?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine. Just don't change a thing.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting in the weeds here.
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  Speaker 3: No, I went through– I'm not saying I'm a hoarder,
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  Speaker 3: but I keep things.
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  Speaker 2: John, that's– you keep things that you don't use? Well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all– Obsessively? You can't see– No, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a hoarder.
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  Speaker 3: You can't see this off– I do hoard books probably.
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  Speaker 2: You can't see this– People do that just to look smart.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the whole thing. It's all about the looking smart,
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  Speaker 3: because I know I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: No, come on.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Smart people say that, hoping that you'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: only a smart person would say that. The more I've learned,
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  Speaker 2: the more I know nothing. Sometimes you're right.
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  Speaker 3: That is very true.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: I heard this one day. Sometimes low self-esteem is just
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  Speaker 2: common sense. And I won't tell you who told me that,
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  Speaker 2: but it hit hard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did hurt.
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  Speaker 4: I am.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't think that I think I know less.
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  Speaker 1: I really think I know less. It's not like a thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's legitimate.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Legitimate humiliation. It's not like, oh, I'm trying to be humble.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't Einstein say that? He said, the older I get
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  Speaker 2: or the more I learn, the more I realize I
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  Speaker 2: know nothing. A lot of people credit things to Einstein.
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  Speaker 1: Since the older I'm getting, the less I know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who said that. It could have been Einstein
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  Speaker 1: or anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't he have one of the biggest brains? Because they
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  Speaker 2: talk about brain size. Is it related to intelligence? And
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to make that huge correlation, but- Einstein did
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  Speaker 2: have a huge head.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Huge brain.
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  Speaker 3: That was his hair.
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  Speaker 2: You think it was a lot of filler? It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like I don't really have a chin, but the
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  Speaker 2: goatee gives me the illusion of a chin.
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  Speaker 3: I shape it like a topiary. We certainly hide behind
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  Speaker 3: this facial hair and have for years.
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  Speaker 2: There was a TikTok video about that the other day,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a guy doing a song. And it
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  Speaker 2: was basically the hook of the song was, do you
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  Speaker 2: want to look? What is it? What is it? Do
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  Speaker 2: you want to look younger and fat? Or older and better?
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  Speaker 2: Because basically when you grow a beard and it starts
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  Speaker 2: turning gray, you have to decide, do I want to
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  Speaker 2: shave this gray beard off and then realize how fat
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  Speaker 2: my face really is. So you want younger and fat
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  Speaker 2: or older and better?
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  Speaker 3: It's a curse. I choose older.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Why would you fight it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting older. It's okay. But anyway, I have floor-to-ceiling bookshelves.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And they're not all put together, which is why I
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  Speaker 1: brought you here today.
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  Speaker 2: Are you really going to make me do this?
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  Speaker 1: And that barely, that one that's up there, it took
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  Speaker 1: me a minute to get that in there. Because when
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  Speaker 1: I say floor to ceiling, Johnny is touching the ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Did you measure to get those? I did.
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  Speaker 3: I knew they'd be right on it, and they are. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And I was right.
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  Speaker 1: And then I will put the old couch back in,
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  Speaker 1: which is where Johnny used to sit, and he complained
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  Speaker 1: for years about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know how good I had it, you guys.
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  Speaker 3: And then behind me here, I want to cover this
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  Speaker 3: whole wall in photos.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be weird for this shot, but whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know that.
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  Speaker 2: There's other places to put your photos.
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  Speaker 1: What we're learning, guys, is that Johnny doesn't care about
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  Speaker 1: my office as a functional space.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: The other however many hours in the week there are
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  Speaker 3: besides this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: He just wants it to be his own personal podcasting studio.
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  Speaker 3: And it is, basically.
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  Speaker 1: He just rolls in here off the road, comes in
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  Speaker 1: here highfalutin. I mean, just throwing money around at everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Where falutin came from.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Is there such a thing as lowfalutin?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no nofalutin. There's no, you can't be, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's a million of those.
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  Speaker 3: Did you know that the Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: There's no disheveled, you can't be sheveled.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know that the Sunday after Easter, you know
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  Speaker 1: what is commonly known?
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  Speaker 3: After? After Easter, Sunday after Easter.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Low Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Low Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Low Sunday. I wonder if it's called that because all
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  Speaker 2: the people that came on Easter now don't come back
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  Speaker 2: because they just came that once a year, and it's
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  Speaker 2: a low mark attendance-wise.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in the church calendar, it has to do with
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  Speaker 1: that's the doubting Thomas after Jesus' resurrection.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Now people are struggling with the realities of the resurrection.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Called that in the technical terms, but most liturgical.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I went straight to the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're an evangelical, Johnny. I don't know what to
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  Speaker 3: tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time selling tickets on the road. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We call that low Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Had some low weekends. Guys, get your tickets at johnnyw.com.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to fill out the bookshelves, though. They'll be cubbies, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: All right. And I wanted that in the shot, but
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to have that. You guys are not
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  Speaker 2: going to get to see it. It could be.
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  Speaker 4: How?
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  Speaker 2: We just turned this.
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  Speaker 3: Johnny wants me to face a wall, is how his
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  Speaker 3: answer is.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Well, that wall would have photos on it, though, and
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  Speaker 2: then they wouldn't have glare from the lights if you
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  Speaker 2: did it that way. This feels like a lot of inside.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball for people who are listening. I think that.
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  Speaker 2: You think they're fascinated by it? I think what people
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: have discovered since the pandemic when podcasts exploded, when everybody said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm buying some podcast gear. I will say we got
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  Speaker 2: in way before then. We've been podcasting since 2015. Is
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  Speaker 2: it that long?
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  Speaker 3: 2016.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was 17.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe 2017. Anyway, we've been at it way before the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: The dearth of podcasters that entered the scene and said,
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  Speaker 2: I've got opinions and here we go. I can buy
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  Speaker 2: a Shure 58. We were in it way before those people.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to say we're going to be lumped
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  Speaker 2: in with them at this point because we've spent 10
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  Speaker 2: minutes talking about gear and shots and I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I did find out.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: That the people who listen to our podcast via apples, apples, not,
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  Speaker 1: not if.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: You hold an apple up to your ear, John, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, you hear.
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  Speaker 3: A podcast like a shell, but it's different.
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  Speaker 1: Um, instead of the ocean, you hear John and Johnny
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  Speaker 1: people who listen to the Apple podcasts. That's where that
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  Speaker 1: S came from. Um, they like 90% of them listen
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  Speaker 1: all the way through like people.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah we have the data yeah the data the
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  Speaker 2: data what i've got we've got the.
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  Speaker 1: Information it's data yeah i don't but i appreciate that
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  Speaker 1: they go all the way through so that's and that's
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  Speaker 1: shocking to me because and apple has.
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  Speaker 3: Your data too by the way yeah probably so.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about that that's not that's not on us let's
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  Speaker 1: not talk about data that's not our fault There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot we're not talking about right now, and I think that.
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  Speaker 3: Makes us immature. There's things that we're not addressing. We
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  Speaker 3: probably will.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: But we're not, because we're trying to figure ourselves out
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just dangling things in front of Johnny.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to poke me?
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  Speaker 1: I bet you can't say nothing. No, there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of books, and then we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to purge.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, right.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think I have too many books for these shelves.
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  Speaker 1: And those books are going away. This is an interesting question.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'd be one for us to talk about
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  Speaker 1: after the break, though. Maybe you should take us there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, John, you know, you're purging, but a lot of people, well,
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  Speaker 2: they want to buy things.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And for that, you need to know, what do we buy?
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  Speaker 2: And so let's take a minute and hear from some
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  Speaker 2: fine quality advertisers. Let's keep these lights on one more week.
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  Speaker 3: So how do you feel about.
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  Speaker 1: When you have a book by an author you once
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  Speaker 1: aligned with that now you don't?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the book was important. This goes into a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the conversations for today probably. But the book once
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  Speaker 1: probably meant even more to you. And then that person changed.
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  Speaker 2: Formational text. And then now it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, wow. Because I have books I want to
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  Speaker 3: get rid of. I'm like, I like that book.
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  Speaker 1: You have books you probably collaborated on. That now you,
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. I'm not, there's some, I
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  Speaker 1: don't talk about as much for sure. Just cause I
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  Speaker 1: had to, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Want to do a book with you because then it's
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: going to ruin our relationship. I was like, gosh, yikes.
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  Speaker 2: I used to be close with that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Um, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I feel real judgy as a writer. Like I'm
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  Speaker 1: throwing this guy's book away. Cause he's like, I don't
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: expect authors to be perfect or something, but yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: can we accept good things that they have said, even
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  Speaker 1: if we no longer align with where they are today?
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  Speaker 4: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Like, is that.
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  Speaker 3: How does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Let's still, like, separate the art from the artists, too.
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  Speaker 2: We're dealing with that in, you know, Hollywood and beyond. Of, like,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: how do you... How do you deal with somebody's ideology versus... Like,
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: how do I deal with... I love Mission Impossible, and
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: I think Tom Cruise is kind of a kook.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, is it okay that he's a kook? Can I
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: still enjoy his movies?
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: What, that big Will Smith movie came out where he's
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  Speaker 3: the famous.
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  Speaker 1: He's portraying the guy in one of the most famous
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  Speaker 1: post-slavery photos of all time where the guy's back. It's
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  Speaker 1: just so scarred up. And he's playing that guy and
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  Speaker 1: he's escaping and all the things. I never watched it.
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  Speaker 1: It was right after he walked up.
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  Speaker 3: On stage and slapped and was like, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know if it affected me or not, because I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so looking forward to watching that movie. And then
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of like, he's a little unhinged, I think.
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  Speaker 1: He just went and hit a dude on national television.
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  Speaker 3: And so, I don't know. I wonder what it did
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  Speaker 3: to that movie. I bet there's a lot of articles
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably didn't do it. Well, that was kind of
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: a tipping point, too, for those kinds of movies, I
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: feel like.
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, also, I don't know. But, yeah, if you
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: reach across the desk and slap me, will there be
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: people who... It's like a before and after moment for
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: them with the podcast, how they feel about the podcast.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: Like I don't want to hear what John has to
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: say anymore.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I've decided he's a little wonky.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: He's on the edge.
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: I do think some of that is, is good.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Like I was reading somewhere, I think it was a
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Tim Keller, his Tim, Tim Keller's Proverbs devotional.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: Again, it's just so great. And he was talking about how.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: This is hard.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: You, you should pay attention to the character of someone
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: you're listening to. And he goes in, as far as
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: to say you should evaluate somebody's level of faith which
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: how how is the term Christianity or Christian being evaluated
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: today and you can.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: As a listener you can insert your own whatever.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: That is some of the things I see are do
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: you stand up for what's right right do you Um,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: and you have a very clear categories of what those
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: are that right and wrong.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: We stand up for what's truth versus lies.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm all for right and wrong and truth versus lies.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Um, but Keller says that the biblical evaluation model, the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: rubric for a believer, and then we know this, but
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: it's been so just, I don't know, it struck me
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a lot lately are the fruit to the spirit.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: So like literally if you want to evaluate someone's walk
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: with Christ, um, what if you didn't evaluate it by
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: how strong of a stand they take on X issue?
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Right. Right.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Like maybe that's a part of this, but that what if,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: what if the.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Higher evaluation was love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and self-control. Like what if that, and as I start
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: looking at myself, like if today, well, how would you
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: evaluate me?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Well, he's a pastor.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: He must be, Right. Well, that's an easy one, right?
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Or he talks about Jesus. He prays to Jesus. And
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: those are all things that I believe to be true.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Your profession of faith and all those things.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: And your profession.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: But I think that the real, like, where am I
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: bearing fruit has to come in those areas. So, if
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you back up to previous conversation, if someone's saying something
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: very true and there's not an evidence of the fruits
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: of the Spirit in their life, I do think we
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: should be cautious. I think Scripture would call us to
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: be cautious to that. Yeah.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they... They're selling Coke, but they're drinking Pepsi
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: kind of a thing. That's always a weird thing when
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: you find that out. You're like, oh, he really knows
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: how to sell this thing. But you find out there's
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: no there there. It's a very disillusioning moment.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I never want to be like that disillusioning moment for
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: somebody else. That's a fear of mine. I've always had
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: a healthy fear of letting people down in that way.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that you're not partaking of... The thing that you're promoting. Yeah,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: that's a hard one. I know the scriptures say that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the hardworking farmer should be the first one to partake
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: of the crops, basically. And it's talking about that. Like,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: we have to be the first ones to believe and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: live the message. In fact, we've moved so far, I think,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: as leadership here. Like, our number one goal first is
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: for this to be true for us. The way we're
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you to live in authenticity and community
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: has to be true for us or doesn't matter.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: And it will be mostly... Right, it can't just be aspirational.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: No. No.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: It can't just be like, we're building this utopian thing,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and we hope it works.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: No. And it's hard, and it's a very heroic vision
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: that's unreachable in a lot of ways. So that causes
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you to think, what is the effort of my life today?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: The most important one is being this thing. And even
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: as a parent, that's been, I think, a philosophy I've
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: really tried to embrace, because my poor kid was born
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: to a youth pastor, right?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: So all she's going to do is hear all day.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: And early on, it began to hit me like, maybe...
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And I still talk too much. But when it comes
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to things about God, the most important thing is that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: she sees this as real in my life.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Right. Right.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And whether she sees it or not, that I'm doing
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: that because she'll eventually see it, whether I'm showing it
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: You're a human being, not a human doing. You want that?
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You need to just be, John. And also ease up
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: on all the sermon illustrations.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Like, don't just like if you see a pine cone,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: just let it be.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: A pine cone sometimes.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Don't go, you know, this is just like our lives.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Come on, guys.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Sadie, come over.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Look, let's build a campfire.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like right now, because of the new shot,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: that I could look into the camera a lot. Like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: after we deliver a line, I look over there like, hey,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: isn't that right? You're staring right now. Actually, this is
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: going to lead to my segment today. Oh, okay. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's going to tell some other stories. We're already on
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: this topic a little bit, so I think this will
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: be great. But this is a little segment that I
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: call They Talked About That. This is attributed to Joseph Campbell.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: We can just say he said it if you want.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: If people go look it up, I don't know. It's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: really important to me.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Who was Joseph Campbell?
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Joseph Campbell, I believe, was a philosopher.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: That's kind of a plain name for a philosopher.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Here, let's get as exact. Joseph Campbell... Sorry, I knew this,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: but you asked me to put you on the spot.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: American writer, professor of literature.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So comparative mythology and comparative religion studies.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So Joseph Campbell said, or is attributed, possibly said, that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: if the path before you is clear, you're probably on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: someone else's.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That's something.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: If the path before you is clear, you're probably on
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: someone else's. I told you at lunch today, dude.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Cleaning out this office has been really, there's been some
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: things that happened that have taken me off guard emotionally.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I got real sad for a while going through stuff
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and then going through happy things.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Like I got sad.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Um, then like just number of letters from kids and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: people over the years.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: That you hadn't answered. You're like, I should have really
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: responded to this guy. I hope they're okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Um, or the, like the number of, the photos, like
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I found so many photos that I scanned in with
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: my phone or whatever. Now I can throw those away
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: or not lose them.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Like filing things away. But I went always all the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: way back to the first church.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the first church I was a youth pastor at
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: that you and I were youth leaders at.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I had stuff from there still do. Like, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: what we did, where we went.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And so the memories have been kind of, I think
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to say heavy is not really right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: They're just, there's just a lot of them to sort.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm here by myself.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So if you're, if you're Enneagram six, like you have
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: an inner committee and you need someone from the outside
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: committee to really help you. And so I haven't had
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: anybody here to be like, hey, do this with that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: or throw that away or keep that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: That's still important. You know, so I'm kind of working
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: through a little bit of my own.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I want to say that I'm sorry that I wasn't
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: here for you. And also, I'm so glad that I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't here for you because like I can't imagine being like,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: should I? Could I?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Because you're too much like me.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I need a decisive person.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I need a third. We need a third person in
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the committee.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I need my wife probably, but she's working. A real
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: job so that I can do this podcast.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked a little bit about that to go
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: not in the weeds of politics, but the idea of
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: what happened in the pandemic to people's going down rabbit
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: holes and getting into conspiracy theories and it became so prevalent.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: What's part of it was we weren't around each other
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: as much to diffuse those ideas through. So you were
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: able to watch like 10 videos in a row. And
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: then not go, now I've got to go to lunch
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: with Bob and discuss this and have Bob go, well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I heard that video wasn't real.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. By the time you saw Bob, it had been
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: three months, and you had watched 100 videos.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wow.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, everybody needs a committee, honestly.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: No, it's communities.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It takes a committee to raise a– no, that's not.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: It takes a village. We need more bureaucracy now.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I really, so the, I guess, tipping point came
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: two days ago.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I found a bunch of old cassette tapes and I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: need to get rid of them. So I went on
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Amazon and bought this cassette tape converter that takes and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: puts many MP3s onto a micro SD card.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: But it's a tape. You can't just push. You have
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: to listen to it. I could turn the volume down,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: but I thought, well, I might as well. I'm working.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I'll just play these in the background while they're capturing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: You found some messed up stuff on these tapes. You
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: have committed crimes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: One thing I found that was really cool, I found
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: a tape from December 24th, 1978 that my grandmother had recorded.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: That's the year you were born. That was four days
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: before I was born. And they're opening Christmas presents at
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: my grandmother's house. And I can hear my older brother
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and sister.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: He's two. She's like four.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: They're singing songs and opening presents and just cutie. My
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: dad heard my hear my dad's voice really.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that would be.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: And a younger dad like he's in and how he's
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: interacting with the little kids and everything.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: He's just so great.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You know, and it was it was great. So it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was cool. So then I found some other things from
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: our past. There's a lot of Scarlet Thread stuff, like
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: old demos and things I have that are nasty, a
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: song I'm writing or whatever. But I'm trying to capture them,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't want to hear them,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: but I want to capture them, because someday maybe I will.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The songs aren't nasty, the sound quality.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: No, I had some bad songs.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Okay. But not like nasty, like. No, not, sorry, but
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: bad quality. Yeah, thank you. That's what I mean. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: bad quality. Not well-written or well-performed. John, what kind of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: band were you in? Remember that?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Hardcore.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: So, dude, the big tipping point was I found a sermon.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I preached.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You've been preaching since you were like 15.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Since I was, yeah, 16, I think was my first sermon.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 16. And so I was 18 years old.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And it was like maybe the day or two before
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I left for college.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: So it's my last kind of message to my home church.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: They let you preach in the big pulpit.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was a Sunday night.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Cause we had Sunday night.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That's crazy rare too to let.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I led worship. I have that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then of course my dad was the guy
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: in the sound booth doing everything. So he recorded everything.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And so I led worship from the piano and then
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I got immediately.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Up to speak and dude is messed me up.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, And I know what everyone would say. I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: know what I would counsel someone like, I totally get it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But the emotion that came over me of like, I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: can't stand that guy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Right. And I'm embarrassed of that guy. It's been really, really, it's.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Like what Facebook's done to us. When you see like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a 20 year old Facebook or a 10 year old
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Facebook post, you're like, what am I?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I don't want to be that way.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Cause I do.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I want to have grace for the younger me. And
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's not just, okay. He wasn't a bad speaker. Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: And that bothers me a little bit more. Right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: It was polished heresy.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I will say this is funny.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in a tradition that did
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: not emphasize grace. Like we emphasize it as a theological viewpoint.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So I was saying all the right things. Why it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: took me so long to hear grace. It really was
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: because I knew theologically about it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Like front and back. What I believe today about grace
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: is no real different than what I believed then.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: It's like ingredients in a cake. You believe the eggs
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: are important as the flour. But then when you realize, like, no,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: there is no cake without. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you thought, well, this is in the cake. They're like, no,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: but there's no cake without this.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Right. If you don't use it like this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, I talked about the rich
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: young ruler.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And I was real like, I could tell I was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: wrestling because I could not reconcile the the two viewpoints.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: And so I just preached them both.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: But one was stronger because I was so wrapped up
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in my own guilt and my own performance trying.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: To always be good enough.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And so I was saying things like, you know, he had,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I was preaching on idols and he said, I've kept
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: all the commandments since my birth.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: But I was like, here's three commandments. He's broken.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And you know, this is not a bad thing.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's lied.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Obviously he has not kept all the commandments, you know, two,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: he's made a graven image because look at all the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: stuff he can't give up.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And he has these idols.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And then I think three was he put something else
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: before God, right? And it's the first commandment. And I'm like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: so much as he said, he didn't love Jesus as much.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: He wasn't willing. It was a very like, don't have
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: anything before God kind of thing, which is a classic,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I think, teenager kind of thing to say. And I'm
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: not saying it's not true.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But then later on I go, but I'm not saying
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you can earn your salvation because it's only by grace. Like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to balance it, but I'm not giving any
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Because I don't have it. I don't have it to give, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so guilt ridden. And then go back to the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: songs I wrote. I literally heard a line today. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was transferring one of those songs. It was like, many
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: times I fall and I bring to you much shame. Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It's a line in my song.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I bring to God much shame. There you go. The
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: young me felt that God was ashamed of me. It's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: no wonder the songs didn't take off, Johnny. I mean,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they're really me just working through my own theology.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to get there. A shame-based CCM resurgence.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It's on the way. Well, and I do.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: When I go back, because I like old CCM.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Shame and shame. Can we make a duo?
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Guys, right now.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You be shame. Resonant harmonies. Which shame do I get
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to be?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: You get to be the shame that sings the high parts.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: But I like, even when I go back and listen
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to old CCM, which I have, I got in here
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and I thought, well, if I'm going to do it,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Like, I started just going back to old records.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I was moving stuff and cleaning stuff. And if a
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: song comes along that's a real... Be a better Christian.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You're not a good enough Christian. I find myself having
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: trouble listening to it, even if I love the music
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of it. Because a lot of it was that. And
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I've talked to, I won't say who, a mutual friend
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: that we have. A lot of their early songs were
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: about that. Don't be an imposter, basically. Be a real Christian.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I had that. And I'm not
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: sure who gave it to me. I don't think anybody
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: gave it to me. It was just a system of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: some great people all around. great parents all those things but.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah sometimes it's your own internal wiring that comes up
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: with these little distortions and it's easy to blame a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: parent or a leader but sometimes it's just it comes
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it comes to you on your own.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Well and it's like a you know what are you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: gonna do with it now and i think that's the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: i think there was a sense of regret that man
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: what could i've given kids you know over the years
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for myself differently and then two there's a sense of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like I want, I want religious, I want to be
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a part of religious systems that don't have to, people,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: people don't have to go through that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: That they can trust and rest in the grace of God.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And also good works. We had this talk at the
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: staff table yesterday. They're so important.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not part of the equation, like
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you said, like the cake. But man, it just, it wasn't,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but I think what really.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Got me was how confident in all of it I sounded.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: That's what got me. It was the confidence. It's like, no,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: be confident, man, about that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's weird because I've spoken to people about
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that whole thing about, like, I have a hard time
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: with certainty when it comes to, like, leaders. And even with–
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I'm around a ton of performers, and so comedians that
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I enjoy hanging around with pace backstage and doubt themselves,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and then they go out and they kill it. They
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: go make great things, but they don't ever come off like, well,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of course it'll go great. I'm great. That bothers me.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: But I don't like somebody who just is always kicking
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: themselves and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Or they're searching for a compliment. They're like, I'm terrible.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, you're fine. So it's like I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: have a weird mix of that. Like I want– you
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: want a leader who like can go deliver. But that thing–
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: but I will say this to that thing about certainty.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Like certainty is a little bit of a tough thing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Because if you are a religious leader or a spiritual
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: leader to people, they do expect some kind of like, hey,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: we figured this out. Like if you're talking to somebody,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: we've got these creeds, we have these things. So like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: if you're constantly waffling on everything, it gets a little bit.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: That other extreme of like, we have preachers now that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: are happening. I was talking with somebody about this and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: they were like, I go to these churches in super
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: liberal areas and they're so timid. They're afraid to say
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: anything for sure. And so they say nothing for an hour.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: It's just a bunch of qualifying statements or whatever.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Because they're trying not to offend. It's like, that's not
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: really a way forward either.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: We had that talk yesterday. I was like, guys, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: had to make peace with the fact. I think I
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: went through that stage.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And can still be there. Of, wow, if I was
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: so wrong about all this, how can I be confident
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to say any of this? And so, yes, coming to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: bedrock principles, creeds, those kinds of things have been very
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: helpful for me. But I did say, look, if you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: have a belief... It is offensive to somebody. Any belief
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: about anything is going to be offensive to somebody. The
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: goal being a believer cannot be primarily to never offend.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: The goal could be to believe something with the intent
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of not offending and communicating it through the fruits of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the Spirit. So that, look, if someone wants to just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: really like, no, you tell me now. They want to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: just like, hey, man, I'm not going to engage in
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: something for the sake of offense or, you know, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: have a belief though.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And then to say, we are a church here. We're
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: not just a community program. We're a church.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: We believe in a Middle Eastern religion and that a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: guy came down born as a human and walked around
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: as a man who was also God, who performed miracles
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and ascended into heaven after rising from the dead. We
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: believe these things. So that's going to be offensive or
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: sound crazy to somebody. And so the goal would be that, again,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: above all, that that message is real, And transformative in
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: my own life. That's the greatest evidence of it. Not
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that I try to make it not offensive to you,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: but that you can't deny what it does to change me.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, that should be the goal. So anyway, well,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I actually feel better talking about it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: John, I like the quote a lot, by the way, too.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I never heard before.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I was on my own path and I'm still
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: on my path.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: And now look back. The path looks unclear.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't think I ever feel clear about the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: path ahead. So the goal, I think it was, yeah,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: if he's right, if we're, if we feel unclear, we're probably.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: On our own.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Well, and this idea, yeah, that like, there's going to
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: be obstacles. And we used to always take that as like, okay,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is this, but sometimes it feels like in your own mind,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: if there's obstacles, am I going the right way? Why
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: would you drive your car off into the brush?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: You know, stay on a paved road where it's nice,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: but sometimes you're like, You're only going to get someplace
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: that somebody's already been. It might not be your path.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're going to have to just start laying pavers
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and do the thing. And I think that it takes
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: courage to do that sometimes. And I don't have that courage, John.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I need your help.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I need a committee. That's what I need. John, let's
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: do my segment. Johnny's Old Jokes. We call it Joke
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: About That.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Joke About That John, I remember the first time I
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: saw universal remote control, I thought to myself, well, this
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: changes everything.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: One more.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: A woman's having a funeral for her husband when a
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: strange man walks in and sits up front. Towards the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: end of the ceremony, he turns to his wife and asks,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: would you mind if I got up and said a word?
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: She tells him, by all means. He stands up and says, plethora,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and sits back down. The wife turns to him and says, thanks.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: That means a lot. The man then looks at the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: wife and continues, I'd like to add a word if
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: that's okay. She says, of course, that's fine. He stands
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: up once again, only to say, bargain, and sits back down.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: The wife wipes away a tear, touches him gently on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the shoulder and says, that meant a great deal.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I love these kinds of jokes.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I do too.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Anything in the word. Oh, it's fun. Fun stuff.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: John, let's do, this week in history, we call it
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Talk About Then. John, This week, 1878, a hallmark invention,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: as Thomas Edison received his patent for what?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Light bulb?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: No, the first phonograph, which I guess became later, what,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a record player? Was the phonograph pre?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: That's a great question.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I don't really know how the phonograph really worked, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I think it was similar. It was more of a round,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was it a tube kind of thing? Was it a circle?
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know. You're the one bringing the segment.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: It doesn't say anything more. It just says the first phonograph.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Did it have the horn? Okay. Anyway, I don't know
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: how it went. It wasn't great, but it led to more.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: There's more advancements that came along. That's wild to think
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: that's really not as old as we would think. That's
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: almost the 1900s.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: 1878.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And he just got the patent then, so it was
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: still a ways off from full development.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: He probably actually had an iPod. He just hadn't patented
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: it yet.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Wow. Come on. Have you ever seen those weird conspiracies
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of like there's old technology in some photos? Like there's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: somebody that swears there's an iPhone in a photo of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like an old like 50s boxing match that somebody's holding
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: up what looks like an iPhone. It's like you can't
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: tell if it's.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, come on.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Time travel? Come on, man. Okay.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I think if you could time travel, you'd go crazy
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: because you'd have to tell somebody. You're not going to
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: believe this, but in the future, we blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And two dudes just sit and talk to each other
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and try to monetize that. And they'd be like, that
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: sounds stupid. Yeah, it's called a podcast.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: It's dumb.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: It is dumb. John, this week, 1807, former Vice President
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Aaron Burr is arrested for treason against the U.S. Did
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you know this? This is the first arrest of a U.S.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Vice President. He had organized an armed militia of about
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: 60 men, the exact purpose of which has never been determined.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: President Thomas Jefferson ordered his arrest. Burr had served as
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Vice President under Jefferson. He was accused of trying to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: create an independent country In the center of North America,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: including the southwest United States and parts of Mexico, Burr
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: claimed he was just trying to form 40,000 acres in
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the Texas territory that had been leased to him by
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the Spanish crown. He had organized an armed militia of
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: about 60 men. Historians still debate Burr's true intentions. What
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: do you think was going on there?
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I think Burr was a complete snake in the grass.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: He said he was eventually acquitted by the way of this.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: You got to think this whole scenario through.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And this is post. This is three years after he
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: shot Alexander Hamilton. So it was 1807 when he was
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: arrested for this stuff. Yeah. He was already like, he
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: killed a dude.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: And he got off for that too.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: But you got to like think about the fact.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: That this would be the equivalent of President Biden arresting
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Like, it's a major thing happening because he was the
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: sitting vice president.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: The only thing that gives me hope, by the way,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: when you see these old scandals, you're like, all right,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: we survived a lot.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And we got to remember, too, that Hamilton was the
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: one that helped Jefferson, who was his mortal enemy, win
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: over Burr, who was his friend.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Because of Burr's lack of, I guess, character. That he
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: did not seem to care about the good of the country.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: He cared about himself. So, yeah, what I've read is that, yes,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: he was attempting basically to create a secessionist government somewhere
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in one of the new territories and that they arrested
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: him for it. And I completely believe– but he was–
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Burr was a shady dude.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Like had– he.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Kept women in every town kind of thing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Did you feel this way before the play Hamilton? Were
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you always like a never trusted Aaron Burr? I just
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: knew some of the story. But see, I've read the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: whole actual Hamilton, the full, you know. I mean, Burr
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: is a fascinating American history character. But like he was weird.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Like he would talk to his daughter about inappropriate things
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he had done with other women and stuff. Like he
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: was just kind of a shady dude. Stuff you don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: normally share with your daughter probably. Yeah, just an interesting
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: kind of weird guy. But yeah, Aaron Burr.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And he was acquitted twice. Aaron Burr, sir. John, this week, 1790,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: upon reading his death sentence, the Marquis de Favreau remarked,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I see that you've made three spelling mistakes. Which, I mean,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: come on, dude.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: That sounds like something I would want to say.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: If I could have the wherewithal in that moment.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a French aristocrat and a supporter of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: the House of Bourbon during the French Revolution and was
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: executed February 19th, 1790 for his plot to rescue the king, queen,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and their children and take them out of the country.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: The plot also included... using a force of 30,000 soldiers
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to encircle Paris, starving the occupants into submission by cutting
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: off their food supplies. This was the plot. He didn't
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: go through with it. But then suddenly they found out
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the plot and wrote up a death warrant. And then
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: he read it. And before being executed, probably by guillotine,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: he said, I see you've made three spelling errors.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I tell you what.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I think this guy may be my new hero.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: He's like roasting people right before he got roasted. I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: don't know how he was killed. Maybe he was burned
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: at the stake. Man, what a... Like you said, this guy.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe he wasn't a great guy, but he was trying
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to save the king.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: He was trying to save the king.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: But he also was going to encircle Paris and starve people.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: He cared about good grammar. He's a pretty good guy
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: to me. Sorry, I mean well grammar.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: My bad.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: See, you've made one mistake. John, finally this week... Mary
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Anderson was born. She was the inventor of the windshield wiper.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: She was born this week in 1866. She was an
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: American entrepreneur. She invented, which is fun to think of like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a female entrepreneur. this far back. You know, it's kind
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of cool because it's not a lot of spots in
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: our country for that this far back. But so she
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: had this idea. She invented the automotive windshield wiper in 1903.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: In 1902, while visiting New York City on a frosty
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: winter day, Anderson was riding the trolley. She noticed that
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the trolley driver, in order to see through the sleet
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: on the windshield, had to either lean out the window,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: not safe, or to see or stop and go outside
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to clear the window with his hands. That takes too long.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Recognizing an opportunity, she designed a hand-operated device to keep
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a windshield clear, and in 1903 was granted a patent
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: for the windshield wiper. Anderson's device consisted of a lever
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: inside the vehicle that controlled a rubber blade on the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: outside of the windshield, so pretty similar to today's devices.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: The lever could be operated to make a spring-loaded arm
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: move back and forth across the windshield, thus clearing it.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: A counterweight was used to ensure contact between the wiper
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and the window. However, this is where it gets like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: this is where history comes back. There's always something in
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: history to make you go like, ugh. However, she never
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: profited from her invention because in the early 1900s, cars
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: were not very popular. And by 1922, when Cadillac became
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the first car manufacturer to adopt wipers as standard equipment,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: her patent.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Had already expired.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Got to get those renewed.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Mary Anderson. But so we recognize her today, Mary.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Every time we use our wipers, it's a little, you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: We think of you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: It's like pouring one out for Mary.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Off the side of your car. It's very, you've
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: taken this very deep.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Because that's what we wanted.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: It's a bummer when people don't profit from their inventions.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Like there's a whole dearth of those in history. That's
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: twice dearth.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Wow, dearth.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that. But there is a lot. And so,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: it's a two minute.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: What are you worried about not getting credit for in
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: your life? Let's go down. Let's unpack this. Why does
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: it hit you so?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: You think that's why? I don't know.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You're the one speaking the truth right now from your
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: own soul.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Are you afraid someone's going to steal your jokes?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Well, that is a thing that happens.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: When someone has stolen a joke, how does it make
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: you feel?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I called somebody out one time. you called him out
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a clip a clip came out and I commented or
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I sent them a text because I know the person
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and I said I really like this I liked it
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: a lot better on my special four years ago just
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: trying to like stir the pot but also in a
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: funny way like they were like what oh no that
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I thought mine was you know it's fine did they
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: claim parallel they did a little bit and we made
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: amends it's fine but it was one of those things
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: of like it could happen to anybody though yeah honestly.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I just use your jokes like they're mine all the time.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And that's fine.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, hey, I'm just funny. I don't know
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: what to tell you.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: No.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You're very funny, John. Listen.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not Johnny W.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Funny.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: And guys, I don't know anybody who's Johnny W.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Funny.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Preaching since you were 16, though. You got me on that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I should not have started that early.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: But that got you. You got to get the bad
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: ones out. Just like comedy. You know, you got to
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: go to enough open mics and be bad for a minute. John,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: if the path is clear.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the path then because it is not clear.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Need a bush hog over here to get this thing. Sheesh.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Johnny, I really don't know a better comedian, and that's
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: why people should go see your show. They should see
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: all the new tour dates coming online every day at johnnyw.com.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: That's right, John. How do they find more about your writings?
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I really don't know. Just go to Amazon, I guess.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Search John C. Driver. Is that the right one?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Sometimes there's a C in there.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: If you go to John, you can go to johndriver.com.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: John Driver.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: It'll redirect to some sort of bio site.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: A weird holding.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: A weird holding area.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I used to maintain a website.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: A 404 page.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: What's the point, really? So page not found. No, but
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you can go to Amazon and find stuff.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: But the cool thing about my writing usually is that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you get to hear other people's great stories.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, you're a partner. It takes, listen, it takes,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: they need a committee too. And you get to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: in that committee.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: You get to be a part of that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: And then they get to look back 20 years from
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: now and regret those writings. Right.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: They get to go, why did I use that guy?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: They're going through a box and they just start crying. Like,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: why did I ever think this? Why did I let
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that guy talk me into saying this?
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I threw away probably over 100 copies of books I
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: wrote in my early years.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy. That I had left over.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Gone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, you're clearing a house, man.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Because I don't know what I'm going to do with them.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: If I want to read it, I'll just read one.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to think like somebody's going to find
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: those in a landfill and be like, there's so many
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: of these. And then somebody's going to be like, this
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: is my, it's going to be there. That's going to
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: be their 40 days of purpose.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: You think?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Somebody's going to take off on that. It's something you don't,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: you're not necessarily even proud of anymore, but they're like,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: this is my Bible now.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I do believe that you have to do this stuff.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And that is the part I'm okay creatively. Like, hey,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you got to be where you are.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: In writing.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It's a snapshot in time.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: You got to write in order to write.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Like if you're not willing to write, then someday when
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you hopefully hate you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure I'm even there yet still.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I believe when I have better things to say, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: have to have developed the ability to write those things
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in a way people can understand them.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I don't mind writing. It's just the
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: content in places. I found no arrivals.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: That's 150,000 word manuscript that I turned into three books.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Found the full manuscript in a manuscript box.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: It's a trilogy.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: It's a, it was long.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I remember my first agent was like, and I realized
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: now he signed me to try to get.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: To Reggie dabs.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Oh boy. And, um, so he was like, you know, yeah,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I want you to want to name a shame. No,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: but he was like, he was like, I'm so glad
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that I had that experience.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But he was like, Hey, But I want to, whatever,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm signing you as well. So whatever it is you want,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. And he did not sign with Reggie.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Reggie did not sign with him, by the way. And
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: he was like, bring me, I just want you to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: go write it out. I mean, everything in your heart,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: go write it out. I was like, dude, I'll see
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: you in six months.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: So I came back.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, boy.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: With the most enormous manuscript of my life.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: He said, why don't you scale this back? He said, basically,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: he didn't even talk to me. He sent me like
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: an email. I was like, basically, I'm paraphrasing. He was like, hey, yeah,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. Good.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Best of luck to you in the future.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Like it's over. Like that was it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It was like, oh man.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: And so I turned into three books and then I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: had an offer from a, I think I had an
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: offer from a, uh, I remember I had an offer
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: coming from a denominational house.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: And I remember like the day I was supposed to
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: get the contract, they shut down like all their bookstores.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: That's when they were going to the digital books were
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: beginning to take down, um, that brick and mortar houses.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So, anyway, found it, though. Johnny, you can read it
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: if you want it. It's in there.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Can I?
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Okay. I kept that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Man, three books. But, I mean, look, you got it
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: out of your system.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I did, and I think there's some good stuff in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: there still. Yeah, now you can throw that into an
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: AI generator and say, like, hey, can you make me
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: one book from this?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Can you take this and make it good?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: No. Maybe a few pictures for people like me, you know?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Throw in, like, give me something.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I want to hear from our listeners. If John and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Johnny wrote a book together, what kind of book do
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: you want? What are you wanting out of us?
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want something that's more inspirational? Do you
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: want my story? Do you want road stories? Do you
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: want funny content only?
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Do you want the John and Johnny story?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: We've got stories.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you've got a lot of them.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: For almost 30 years, we've known each other.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: That's a long time.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: It's too long. Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's time to call it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Someone did yesterday ask me if they said we should
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: do a little live event tour for the podcast.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not sure there's enough people out
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: there for a tour.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: We could do, we need to do the live show though.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: But event, I think an.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Episode 400 cause we're like almost three 50.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's start planning that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: It needs to be somewhere in Nashville probably.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Let us know too.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: We've said this before and there wasn't enough interest, but
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of new listeners now. If we did
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a live show and we just did a live recording basically,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: maybe a two hour special or something somewhere in Nashville, uh, How.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Many of you would want to come? It'd have to
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: be like at least 100 of you. Probably. For us
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: to pull this off.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: To make it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: So, yeah.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Let us know.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: Send us an email.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Or we could just double, double, double like the audio
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: in the room. Yeah. Make it sound.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: But for the 10 of you that do show up,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: that's going to be awkward.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: We don't want to do that for you.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: So, what if we did those things where like, but
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the 10 of you each paid like $ 2, 000.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: For your ticket. Right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It's like an experience.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: That worked out.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: You get the full experience.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a personalized podcast recording.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: You get a hat. I don't know what you get,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: a mug?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Well, guys, hey, check out the new YouTube videos when
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: they come out. We are almost caught up now. We
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: were behind there.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: For a while. All the episodes are on our YouTube channel.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. This one might take a
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: week or two to catch up, but they'll be there.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Shout out to our producer, Lucas, who helps with that.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Lucas really helps out a lot. Thank you, Lukey.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys listening every week, man. Let's do
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: it again next week here on Talk About That.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: Hmm.