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New Break in Nancy Guthrie Case as Genetic Genealogy Expert Says FBI Could Identify Suspect Soon · True Crime with Gavin Fish

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Oh man, just hit the microphone. Hope that didn't blast out
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anybody's ears. Guys, Nancy Guthrie has been
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missing for over six weeks now. We're in week 7 and I was
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reading today in the news, looking for new information and
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came across an article that I thought was absolutely
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fascinating and, and maybe a big hint on how we might be able to
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solve this crime. I, I'm, I'm doing the royal we,
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you know, law enforcement really is what I mean, how law
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enforcement might be able to solve this crime.
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We may be able to get all the way to the end of this case and
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know what happened. So if that interests you, stick
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around. We're going to talk about it.
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This video contains mature themes and discussions intended
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only for adult audiences. Viewer discretion is advised.
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This conversation is brought to you by Once Upon a Trial, a new
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I'm hoping for those of you who are watching the YouTube live
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Because if we do, I happen to have in my fingers right here
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the 30 page manuscript of the new children's book Once Upon a
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Trial by Cory Richins, ghostwriter, that I promised to
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you that I will read at the end of this if we can reach 10 super
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chats. Guys, welcome to another true
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crime conversation with me. Gavin Fish.
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I'm so glad that you joined me. Wherever you're joining me from,
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be sure to tell me in the comments where you're joining me
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from. Bonus points for those of you
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who can do so in a creative way. Extra bonus points for those of
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you who can stump me. And Robin is leading us off with
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our first super chat. Thank you very much, Robin.
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Robin obviously would like me to read Once Upon a Trial by Cory
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Richins, ghostwriter. I'm going to give you a little,
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I'm going to give you a little little sneak peek.
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You ready? Once Upon a time, there was a
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woman who liked big things, big plans, big houses, big ideas,
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very big ideas. And that's it.
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That's Page 1. It's a children's book.
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This. I'm not, I'm not reading War and
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Peace here. But yeah.
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Oh, my goodness. We've got #2 has come, has come
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to give us the old super chat. Thank you very much, Elizabeth.
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I appreciate that. Hopefully we will get to our.
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Goal. Thank you very much.
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Sarah is says she's joining from the Circle City Crossroads of
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America, Indianapolis, IN. Thank you very much, Nikki.
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Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you.
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She says Happy Saint Patrick's Day from the scent of Paradise
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Island of Bermuda. Kevin, where is the like button?
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I don't know. I don't know where the like
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button is, man. Greetings from southwest
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Scotland, UK. Awesome.
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Sammy's mom. I'm from a city that gets
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assumed to be in Canada, but it's in the US Is it because
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it's such a polite and gleeful city?
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Is that, is that what people think?
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Let me let me guess. Hold on.
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Oh, why am I? Why am I blanking?
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It's right on the right on the border there.
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British Columbia. I'm blanking right now.
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Let's see. Marie Jubenville, thank you very
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much for the Super chat. I want to have you read the
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manuscript. She says Salisbury, Tennessee is
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in the house, a town of 82 people.
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County Meath. From Ireland.
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Happy Saint Patrick's Day. Glad you are here.
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From the Green Chili State, today rhymes with turtle Peach.
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I know, I know. I've stumped you.
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Could it be Myrtle Beach? Oh, I think I got it.
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I think I got it. North Carolina is in the house.
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Northern British Columbia is in the house.
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Houston, Kentucky, it's Vancouver.
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Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
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Southeastern Kentucky is in the house.
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Natalie McPhee with the Super chat asking is it based on Cory?
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Well, it is Once Upon a trial by Cory Richard's ghostwriter.
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Let's let's see if I can get. You a a photo of the cover of
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the book here. There it is, Once Upon a trial,
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a story about truth and choices. Of course, the the news is that
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after three hours of deliberations, the jury there in
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Summit County, Utah, came back with a guilty verdict on Corey
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Richins. And I noticed that Pat.
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Put together that the sentencing day in May.
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Is on Eric's birthday, which I think is apropos.
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Pretty awesome. Of course we're we're talking
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about Nancy tonight, but let's let me just kind of get through
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the old where you guys are coming in from.
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Orchid says cloggies and cheese. Oh my goodness.
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Home of the Pilgrims in the 12 years immediately before the
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Mayflower. Wow.
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ELVERSON, PA. In the House.
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Upstate New York is here. In New York, Snowy Wisconsin
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watching from Belgium. Sydney, Australia is here.
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Montana is here. I did not.
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Figure out the moon bow clue. Cumberland Falls, Corbin, KY.
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Thank you very much. Meadowbrook, Alabama got snowed
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on yesterday. Yeah, we got snowed on here in
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western PA yesterday too. I, I made a little trip up to
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Walmart to get a couple things. I I think I was getting Manila
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envelopes and yeah, I what normally takes me 15 minutes to
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get there took me about 35. It's pretty crazy.
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Bobby McRae, thank you very much for the Super chat.
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Deeply, deeply appreciate it. What is it?
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Tiana Sturgeon says where I 79 and I-80 cross right there in
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Mercer County. I know that very well.
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Manchester is in the house. Gardnerville.
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I love the men in Gardnerville area.
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Very cool, Wendy says. Sorry I'm broke, but I'm from
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the Rock. Yeah, yeah, don't, don't give a
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super chat if you can't, if if you're not in a place to do it
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right now, OK, It's totally, totally cool from the Rock.
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So like the middle of the San Francisco Bay?
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Is that what we're talking about?
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Lexington, NC is here. San Jose, CA, Long Beach.
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Long Beach. I've been thinking about Long
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Beach today because of one of the questions from three
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questions came in and it reminded me of Long Beach.
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What do we have? We have Sensei Wackadoodle with
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another super chat. Hello, Gavin.
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Maybe she can do a second book. Once Upon a trial.
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Someone's in denial. Oh, very good, very good.
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Love it. And Beth, thank you very much
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for the Super chat. You guys are are taking care of
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me. Thank you so much.
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OK, let us bring up the case that we're talking about today.
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This is the case of Nancy Guthrie.
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Nancy Guthrie of course being the 84 year old mother of
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Savannah Guthrie, the Co host of NB CS Today show that went
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missing on February 1st. She was last seen on January
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31st. It is it is believed that she
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was abducted. We have seen videos and images
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of suspects in her abduction and the the article that I saw today
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interviewed A genetic genealogist who had a very
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interesting take that I think only a trained forensic digital
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forensics person and a genetic genealogist, not forensic
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digital forensics, A forensics person and Adna person would
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would get. And the image that is that she
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talks about is this one right here, the image where he has
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gone up to the nest camera. He has kind of fiddled with it.
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He goes back out, grabs some of the the greenery, the shrubbery,
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and comes back to the camera. It looks like he's just trying
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to cover it up or something like that.
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But look, in his mouth, In his mouth is a flashlight, right?
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That did not mean anything to me before reading this article
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other than he held his flashlight in his mouth,
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something that I have done a million well, a million times,
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Gavin. That is an exaggeration, Gavin.
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I swear, guys, I exaggerate like a billion times a day.
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Just I need to stop doing that, right?
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Need to stop doing that. But it's something that I have
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done, you have probably done we all have done multiple times
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carry a flashlight or something like that in our in our mouths.
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Know what happens when it's something like that is in our
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mouth we have to take it out right and we hold it and we may
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put it in our pocket and we may like touch the doorknob or touch
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something else and what has been deposited even though I'm
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wearing gloves ye old DNA. So let's get into that, shall
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we? Let's and thank you guys
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continue to check in on on on where you're from.
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I'm I'm seeing some cool stuff high from the oldest
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continuously inhabited European settlement in the US Wow.
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And then sneaking in late from wintry cold Ohio.
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I wonder what that European settlement is what I'm guessing
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it would be in the northeast somewhere, but I don't know.
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Thank you very much for being here.
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Okie, dokie, come with me, if you will, over to EOL Acrobat.
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This was published in parade on parade.com.
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Written by Michelle Stein, the headline reads Nancy Guthrie
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update forensic experts. A forensics expert shares gut
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feeling about how FBI can identify suspect.
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Of course, I've already kind of given it away, but this again,
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Michelle Stein writes today. Co anchor Savannah Guthrie's mom
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Nancy Guthrie remains missing over six weeks after her
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abduction. And a forensics expert recently
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shared a gut feeling and advice to the FBI that could help
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identify a suspect during an appearance on the News Nation
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podcast. The truth of the matter,
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Journalist Natasha's I don't know how to pronounce Natasha's
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last name. Is it Zuvez or Zuvez?
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I'm, I'm very sorry, Natasha. I have not watched the podcast
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and that is on me. I should have done that spoke
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with genetic genealogist CC Moore, star of the ABC
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documentary series The Genetic detective.
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What is your gut telling you about the Nancy Guthrie case?
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Natasha asked to that Moore insisted I would still go back
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and re swab parts of that house and look for even like a
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rootless hair we. Can solve these cases.
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Now with just a rootless hair, she added.
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I find it very hard to believe the perpetrator didn't leave his
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DNA behind. We think he had the bite
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flashlight in his mouth and I doubt that he kept it in his
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mouth for the full 40 minutes or so that he was there.
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More than pointed out. As careful as he was to try to
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not leave his DNA, he would have taken that out of his mouth and
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he would have immediately had his DNA all over the outside of
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that glove. Let's bring up that picture
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again. Which one is it?
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This one? And he had to have touched
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something. CC Moore, you are so brilliant,
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so smart. The article continues.
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Additionally, more shared that cases have been solved with
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quote, really old DNA. Quote DNA is actually pretty
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Hardy, she said. And so I believe if they haven't
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collected his DNA, it is still at that crime scene somewhere
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and they should revisit it even though it's been open to the
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family because you can still rule out the people that have
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been there. A fascinating, that's a
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fascinating thing. I hadn't thought about that.
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A genetics expert, a forensics genetics expert would see this
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photo and go, oh, he's got a flashlight in his mouth.
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I bet he touched that flashlight.
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Then it would be all over his gloves.
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So smart. Oh my goodness, I love that
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there are smarter people in the world than me.
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And of course there are probably close to 7 billion of those.
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But Oh my goodness, I am just so glad for smart people.
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Recently, Moore also speculated about the possibility of a
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second crime scene and how that could help solve Nancy's case.
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The 84 year old was last seen at her home, blah, blah, blah,
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blah, blah. No suspect has been publicly
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named. I'm curious about that second
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crime scene. Let me let me open this up real
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quick. Let's see, I'm just going to
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read about this. OK, Look, I'm, I'm going to
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bring you over to this. This is also on parade.com, also
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written by Michelle Stein. And this was written on it was
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yesterday. So during an appearance on the
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News Nation podcast The Truth of the Matter with Natasha, she
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spoke to CC Moore. Quote, I don't even like to
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think of this, but if there's a second crime scene that is
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discovered or her, you know, remains, then that gives them
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another opportunity for DNA. OK, Yeah.
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Got it, got it. Oh, gosh.
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I there, there definitely is. There definitely is a second
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crime scene, at least a secondary crime scene, because
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she was taken somewhere and she probably was taken elsewhere
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after that. I'm starting to kind of come
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around to the idea that she may have been wrapped up when she
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was taken out of the house. If she was taken out through
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that front entrance, which I believe she was, that's where
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the blood spatter was. But still, secondary crime scene
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would be a car or a vehicle, a van, a truck, something like
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that where she was moved. A tertiary crime scene might be
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a place where she was kept alive.
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There might even be a fourth crime scene, though.
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I hate to think about stuff like that.
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I just hate to think about it. But where her remains might be.
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Tell me what you guys think and let me check in to your comments
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here real quick. We're still 6 out of 10, but we
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got plenty of time. We're going to hit this goal.
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We're going to hit the goal so that I can read Once Upon a
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Trial by Cory Richard's Ghostwriter, a children's book
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that, funnily enough, has has come out just today, the day
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after Cory Richins was convicted of murdering her husband, Eric
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Richins. I, I kind of feel like
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celebrating, though. There's no celebration, isn't
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it's not appropriate, right? Eric is still dead.
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There's no happy endings here. Those those three boys still
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don't have their father. They don't have a their mother,
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though I would argue that they are better off without their
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mother, which is just a sad, sad state of affairs.
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Yeah, I just there. There's no reason to celebrate
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this, but I am glad that at least justice is.
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We have come as close to justice as we can in this life.
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Moonbow is Kentucky, says Penguin.
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All right, Mariana from Port Wine Land.
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Zoovez or Zooves is how we say that.
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I'm sorry. Melody says I'm hilarious.
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Thank you very much. Jacksonville is in the house.
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Elizabeth says she said this on the interview room as well.
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She's very intelligent. I got to get CC on.
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You know what I need, guys? Let me tell you what I need.
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I need a volunteer booking producer.
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I just, I really do. I, I have found that I am no
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good at finding finding guests and booking guests.
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I need somebody who can do that, someone who can do that.
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Emmy adds that Natasha is from the Bay Area.
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Barry is a cool place. Marie says the police should
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have taken the doormat since this guy stood on it.
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Yeah, yeah. Scotch's mom.
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You mean we can't have a celebration of trial.
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We can, we can be happy. We can be glad that that she was
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convicted, but Eric remains dead.
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And and that is sad. Very, very sad.
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OK, this this next article is the first one that I have read
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that talks about internal problems that investigators are
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facing beyond kind of the stuff that we have seen in the case
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with Sergeant Cross, for example, not really liking
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Sheriff Nanos. And it's from what appears to be
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a pretty new publication. It's called Altitudes magazine.
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I don't know their their deal very well, but I thought that it
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was an interesting article that I scanned.
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It's written by Natalie Brooks. A headline Nancy Guthrie
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investigation now fighting internal problems investigators
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never saw coming. More than a month after 84 year
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old Nancy Guthrie disappeared from her Tucson home, the
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investigation into her whereabouts has taken a
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troubling turn. Allegations of evidence
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tampering, information leaks and coordination failures between
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agencies are now casting shadows over the search for the missing
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mother of today's show host, Savannah Guthrie.
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What began as a straightforward missing person case has evolved
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into something far more complex, with investigators facing
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growing scrutiny about how key parts of the investigation may
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have been handled. And you guys know, I've said
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this multiple times. Sheriff Nanos is a politician.
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Sheriff is a is an elected position.
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And some of his behavior may be incent or maybe a result of
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incentives that he has because of his position to be a
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politician and that may have hosed things up, may have hosed
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things up. OK.
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Investigators facing growing scrutiny about key parts of the
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investigation, how they're handled.
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While authorities maintain the case remains active and targeted
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behind the scenes, concerns are reshaping how the entire
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investigation is being viewed. The emotional toll on the
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Guthrie family, oh, man became publicly visible when Savannah
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Guthrie made her return to the Today show earlier this month,
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telling viewers, I don't know how to come back, but I know,
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but I don't know how not to. OK.
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Investigation faces mounting questions about evidence
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handling The Nancy Guthrie case has entered what investigators
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describe as a quote, more complicated phase. close quote
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With new leads emerging alongside serious concerns about
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investigative procedures, the allegations of irregularities
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have created a dual challenge for law enforcement pursuing
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fresh evidence while addressing questions about the reliability
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of early findings Sources familiar with the investigation.
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Of course, I don't like single sources.
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I don't like unnamed sources, but sometimes, I mean, this is
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the world we live in. Sources familiar with the
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investigation point to specific concerns about evidence
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tampering and unauthorized information leaks that have
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potentially compromised the integrity of the search efforts.
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These issues have reportedly affected coordination between
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multiple agencies involved in the case.
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It's drawn national attention, yadda, yadda.
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However, the focus has increased.
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It has increasingly shifted from the search itself to questions
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about how the search has been conducted.
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OK, I, I'm going to go through, I'm not going to go through the
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timelines of the case impact on family.
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Let's skip down to what these allegations mean for the search.
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The concerns about evidence tampering and information leaks
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create significant implications for the ongoing search for Nancy
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Guthrie. When investigative procedures
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come under question, it can affect everything from the
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admissibility of evidence to the reliability of leads and witness
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cooperation. Coordination failures between
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agencies can lead to duplicated efforts, missed opportunities,
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and confusion about roles and responsibilities.
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In a case where time is critical, these issues can have
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serious consequences for the effectiveness of search efforts.
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The unauthorized release of information can also compromise
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investigative strategies and potentially alert individuals
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who might have information relevant to the case.
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This type of leak can fundamentally alter how an
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investigation proceeds. So yeah, I'm there's a link to
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this article if you want to read the whole thing.
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It's just it's very interesting to me that at least according to
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Natalie Brooks here, there's just so much fighting for
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attention internally, according to her sources, I guess makes me
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wonder how much of that attention could be diverted to
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the actual investigation of the the missing person, Nancy
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Guthrie. Let's see.
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Let's get over to your comments here real quick.
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Emmy asks Gavin, who do you want to book?
23:31
Actually, that's the that's the key thing, Emmy, is that if if I
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if I were to. Get.
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Someone working with me as a booking producer.
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And by the way, I could hire a booking producer.
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I just don't have the funds to do it.
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I'm not making enough money on this to do that.
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I even know a booking producer who is willing to cut me a big
23:51
break and even then I can't. I can't afford it, but part of
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the booking producer's job is to coordinate with me to figure out
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who, right, we're talking about this, who is it that's out there
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that we could talk to, right? A lot of people are willing to
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make phone calls on my behalf or send emails on my behalf, but a
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but a booking producer would would do way more than that.
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Mariana is from Porto. Hey, Porto is where my wife and
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I visited this past summer. It was really quite a lot of
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fun, Patty says. I agree.
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I felt like celebrating last night.
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Also celebrating justice for Eric and his family.
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Yes, indeed. Marie, welcome to Fanatic.
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Thank you for joining. Hello from Hub City.
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Hub City. Don't know where that is.
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You've stumped me on that one. Honestly, though, I mean, I
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don't want to, I don't want to take wind out of your sails, but
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it turns out that I'm not very good at guessing where people's
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from, where people are from. When they tell me you know where
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they're from, you use, but I give you the bonus points,
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extra, extra, extra bonus points.
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Elizabeth Mcmasters is saying what information is leaked.
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I feel like we don't know much of anything.
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Yeah, that is something that is missing from the article.
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What specifically leaked? Maybe I yadda, yadda to past it.
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Let me let me go back over here to the timeline.
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What did they say? Alleged tampering incidents,
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unauthorized leaks reported. Yeah.
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I don't know. It doesn't.
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It doesn't say specifically. And I kind of feel like we've
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been left in the dark on a lot of things.
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I do maybe I do think that Sheriff Nanos probably let out
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too much in the beginning and the the blood spatter was
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probably something that we probably never should have seen
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would be something that I would think of.
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You know that whole thing where they got they got thumbnails of
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images from the other camera, but there's nothing on them
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that's something we probably shouldn't have known.
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I mean the perpetrators shouldn't know that.
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I don't know. Tell me what you guys think in
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the comments. Maybe maybe you can come up with
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something a little bit better than I have The last the last
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one I wanted to read for you today about this case before we
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move on to three questions and headlines is an article from
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Mike Ruiz, who is a friend of mine.
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I think he's awesome. He he writes beautifully for Fox
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News. He he they typically publish in
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Fox Digital. But Michael writes retired K9
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officer says cadaver dog should be used in Nancy Guthrie case.
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OK, retired K9 officers raising questions about the public
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handling of the Nancy Guthrie case, arguing that the decision
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not to deploy cadaver dogs, quote, defies logic. close quote
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as the investigation stretches into its 7th week with few
27:13
answers, quote, we're just chasing shadows, said Michael
27:16
Gould, a former canine investigator with the NYPD and
27:20
Nassau County Police Department. Still, he told Fox News Digital
27:24
that it's very likely investigators are following up
27:27
on leads behind closed doors and maybe farther along than
27:31
observers think. I hope so because.
27:34
Out of the six plus. Weeks that we've been following
27:38
this case, man, the at least 5 1/2 of those have just been in
27:44
the phase of like criticism. Nobody knows what you're doing.
27:48
What are you doing? What are you doing?
27:50
And yeah, anyway, quote, cadaver dogs are human remains detection
27:55
dogs. They are the primary technology
27:57
available to humans to detect odor of missing people, he said
28:01
Tuesday. They're considered in court a
28:04
scientific instrument. So why the sheriff chose not to
28:07
use them, I don't understand. That is a quote from Mr. Gould
28:14
Guthrie. Yeah, we know that the Pima
28:18
County Sheriff's Department, like many local law enforcement
28:20
agencies around the country, does not have its own cadaver
28:23
dogs. They borrowed canines from the
28:25
local Border Patrol office earlier in the case, but are no
28:28
longer deploying them as part of the investigation.
28:30
Quote, there's only two assumptions 2 implications here
28:33
that A she's still alive, so no need to search for a cadaver
28:40
when there isn't 1 continuing the quote or B they've given up
28:45
searching for her. Gould said he called on the
28:48
sheriff to either deploy them in a pattern search or explain why
28:52
that's not happening. Quote, I stretch my head to
28:56
think without him guiding us, giving us answers to this, I
28:59
can't think of any other rationale why you would say
29:03
you're putting cadaver dogs on hold, Gould said.
29:06
It defies logic. Nanos, for his part, told Fox
29:11
News Digital earlier that if he deemed they were needed, he'd
29:14
send them back out. He declined to discuss specific
29:17
leads or evidence. I just, I really feel like Nanos
29:20
shouldn't be the lead, shouldn't be the guy that decides on this.
29:26
I it should be the FBI. It really should.
29:29
I mean, after this much time, he got assumed she's outside of
29:32
Arizona. So it's Interstate man FBI
29:35
should be in charge of this quote.
29:37
Anything is possible, he said when asked if he believed
29:40
Guthrie is still alive. However, with the investigation
29:43
dragging on for more than 40 days, Gould said the case does
29:47
not fit the profile of an abduction.
29:49
Interesting quote. After six weeks without proof of
29:53
life, without anything else, the family has come to terms with
29:56
the fact. I think that this is a homicide
29:58
investigation and it's got to be treated like that.
30:01
He said, wow, he came out and just said it.
30:07
Most of us kind of beat around the Bush because we don't want,
30:09
we don't want it to be a homicide investigation.
30:14
Continuing Mike's article, in a heartbreaking Instagram video
30:17
posted last month, Savannah Guthrie thanked millions of
30:19
supporters for their prayers and acknowledged that her mother may
30:22
no longer be alive. See if there's any.
30:32
Let's see. Two men were briefly detained to
30:35
separate warrants were being served in connection with the
30:37
case. Both were released without
30:38
charges. The most recent was on February
30:41
13th after the FBI towed his Ranger over from a Culver's
30:45
parking lot and raided his mother's home, which is about
30:50
two miles from Guthrie's quote. It was considered a kidnapping,
30:53
so they were investigating as a life and death situation.
30:56
That's why they executed a lot of search warrants that people
30:59
questioned the legitimacy of the search warrant, Gould said.
31:03
But if you're thinking of the fact that somebody might still
31:05
be alive and being held hostage, it's different than a homicide
31:09
investigation. If there's tips coming in, it's
31:13
not a cold case, Gould said. I feel confident that this is
31:16
going to be a solve, but not on our timeline.
31:19
Tips could come in from someone in jail, a relative of the
31:22
suspect, romantic partner or even an accomplice, he said.
31:25
Quote, very rarely is there any one person that knows what
31:29
happened, is there? I'm sorry, only one person that
31:32
knows what happened, Gould told Fox News Digital.
31:37
And although a mixed DNA simple sample is still undergoing
31:41
analysis in a private lab in Florida, he predicts that
31:44
genetics will play a key role in cracking the case.
31:47
Like we heard from CC, it's going to be resolved, he said.
31:50
And people are going to be surprised by the outcome of it.
31:53
And then of course, there's a combined reward of more than
31:56
$1.2 million. The family is asking anybody
32:00
with leads to call the FBI at 1800.
32:03
Call FBI. What do you guys think?
32:07
Are we are? Is this a homicide investigation
32:09
now? Is this no longer an abduction,
32:12
A kidnapping, missing person? Is this homicide now?
32:18
Maybe, maybe my brain just needs to accept that.
32:22
And I'm, ha, I'm not, I'm not ready to, Mariana says.
32:28
Gavin, did you notice that the suspect appears to have a cyst
32:32
next to his left eye? Let's see his left.
32:41
Yeah. I wonder if that is.
32:43
Let me see if I can zoom in on this a little bit.
32:51
I can't tell if that is like an artifact of the of the lighting
33:02
of the low quality digital image, but I see what you're
33:09
saying on that left eye, which is on the right as we're looking
33:13
at him. I can't tell.
33:19
I cannot tell. But great comment.
33:23
Let's see what else is you guys are saying over here.
33:26
Not a lot Eris 33 risk says Eris 3 risk says Oh yes, please Cory
33:37
poetry it guys, if if we want to read Once Upon a trial, I have
33:44
the manuscript right here. I have contacts I have contacts
33:47
in publishing. I got this manuscript.
33:51
It's riveting, but I think we're at six super chats out of 10
33:59
that we need in order to reach our goal and read Once Upon a
34:03
trial. And I'm I'm going to have to,
34:06
I'm going to have to stand my ground on this.
34:11
By the way, while we're talking about this, for those of you who
34:16
like to watch on Spotify and you're part of the rewatch crew,
34:20
I encourage you to go over to Spotify to watch my live
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34:27
As soon as we're done here, I upload them to Spotify.
34:31
Building up a Spotify following is really, really important to
34:35
the future of the channel. And if you are on Spotify, I, I
34:40
upload them as videos there so you can watch the whole video.
34:43
There's always a link down in the description below so that
34:46
you can see me over there on Spotify.
34:50
Let's, let's see, going back over to the right, let's find a
34:55
couple more comments here. Oh, we got IgG rocks coming in,
35:01
coming in. I think that's number seven.
35:04
Oppenheimer says Nancy is still alive.
35:08
I man, I hope so. Elizabeth says with her age and
35:15
health issues, I think it's a homicide investigation,
35:18
unfortunately. And Meredith says 900 viewers
35:21
and we're getting up there. That's a great, that's a, that's
35:23
a good show. And thank you very much for
35:25
watching. Everybody.
35:26
Deeply appreciate it. Vermont is checking in.
35:29
Glad you're here, Graham. Pam says, I think she's passed
35:32
away. Very.
35:35
Yeah. I mean, I think I just need to
35:37
wrap my head around it. Cooler by the lake coming in
35:40
with #7 Thank you very much. Cooler by the lake.
35:44
Appreciate that. Or #8 maybe.
35:47
I think that's number eight. We're only two away.
35:50
I, I'm going to allow them. The, the goal itself isn't
35:54
updating. It's saying 6 out of 10 instead
35:56
of 8 out of 10 because it needs to be the teal level.
35:59
But that's OK. I'm, I'm going to allow it.
36:01
I'm going to allow it. Got to, got to be pliable in
36:07
there. Yeah.
36:09
We've had eight. We've had eight.
36:10
We're going to call it 8 OK while.
36:15
I guess that's all. I have for you on this case that
36:18
let's see Fran Carrier comes in says I believe they have someone
36:21
under close surveillance and are making sure they have enough for
36:24
a warrant and an arrest that will stick for a conviction.
36:28
Just Ducky coming in saying there is just there's one more,
36:32
we just have one more and I think that is number 9.
36:35
So who guys, we're close. Thank you very much.
36:39
Thank you. Thank you.
36:40
Thank you. So that is our update on the
36:44
Nancy Wrong button, Gavin. That is the update on the Nancy
36:47
Guthrie case. For now, why don't we move on
36:52
over into the next segment, which is 3 questions.
36:55
Here we go. It's three questions with Gavin.
37:04
Okie dokie in this segment, if you are new to my game, my
37:10
little channel, my little shtickeroo, in this segment, I
37:14
answer three of your questions. I answer them honestly, I answer
37:17
them completely. Nothing is off the table.
37:19
Everything is on the table. You just need to e-mail me your
37:22
question or questions. Send me one or 100.
37:25
I don't care. At 3 questions at gavinfish.com,
37:29
it's spelled out THREE questions at gavinfish.com, and I solemnly
37:36
promised that I will indeed answer them.
37:39
Now I get to choose the order in which I answer the questions.
37:46
OK, that's the deal. So.
37:48
Oh, and hang on, hang on just one second, Roo.
37:53
Look, look at this IgG rocks coming in clutch.
37:59
Coming in clutch. We got our goal and hopefully, I
38:03
mean, keep going, guys, because I'm going to accept it as the
38:08
goal. YouTube is saying it's 8 out of
38:10
10 because we had a couple that were below the TL level, but
38:13
that's OK. That's OK.
38:14
We're going to accept it. Thank you.
38:15
Thank you very much. Marie Jubinville coming in with
38:19
a happy Saint Patrick's Day. Thank you very much.
38:22
Deeply appreciate that. Goodness.
38:24
You guys are taking care of me and I appreciate it.
38:28
OK, so where are we going? We are going to this screen
38:34
right here. Question number one.
38:37
You know the questions that I like the best are the ones that
38:40
you guys can answer to. So if you have an answer to any
38:46
of the questions, just put GF in your comment and tell me your
38:48
answer. OK, I want to know.
38:50
Barb asks. Gavin, do you write any fiction?
38:52
You are a great storyteller Barb.
38:54
Thank you very much for the compliment.
38:56
I appreciate that. I have never written any
38:59
fiction. In fact I have never completed a
39:01
book, though I am working on one right now.
39:05
It is not a fiction piece, it is non fiction, but I will
39:15
hopefully be finishing that book before the end of the year and
39:20
get it into my publisher and hopefully it will be published
39:26
in 2027. But fiction.
39:30
No, I the problem is I don't really understand the story arc,
39:36
like how to create, you know, the, the latest novel that I
39:41
have read, I just finished it like a week ago, I read To Kill
39:46
a Mockingbird. I had never read that in my
39:49
life. I'm sure that it was required
39:51
reading. I'm sure that I BS Ed my way
39:53
through it in school, but I read To Kill a Mockingbird and I was
39:59
just blown away. Now, of course, this is the
40:01
Great American novel, right? This is Harper Lee's only work
40:05
published during her lifetime. And it is.
40:09
It is amongst the greatest pieces that has ever been
40:13
written. So comparing myself to Harper
40:16
Lee is is so much of A stretch. It is, it's not even funny.
40:23
But as I was reading it, I'm like, Dang it, She is so good at
40:27
telling this story. And I I don't know if you've
40:31
read To Kill a Mockingbird, it is amazing.
40:34
But the last scene after she walks Boo Radley home and she
40:39
talks about how this was the last time she ever saw him.
40:43
And she turns around on the porch to walk back over to her
40:48
house. And she can see all of the
40:52
scenes that have taken place on that street throughout the
40:56
entire book. And she just, she just rattles
40:58
them off, right, all the way until she sees, you know, she
41:02
sees Atticus drop his glasses and shoot the dog.
41:05
And she sees, you know, Boo coming to the defense of her and
41:10
Jim as she's in her little ham costume.
41:13
You know, it's like all of those, all of those little
41:16
vignettes. It was so beautiful and so
41:18
amazing. I just don't even know how.
41:21
I just don't even know how. However, I do have an actually,
41:27
one of the things about To Kill a Mockingbird is it is based on
41:31
Harper Lee's life, right? She she wrote that it's fiction,
41:36
but she wrote it based on the things that she saw.
41:40
So I think that might be the best, the best, I guess,
41:48
material to work from. And I have had some pretty darn
41:51
interesting experiences in my 50 plus years.
41:55
Thank you for that question, Barb.
41:58
Next question comes in from Natalie or Natale, and I think
42:03
it's probably Natalie. Have you ever been to Toronto?
42:05
If so, any most memorable places in the city?
42:09
Natalie, I have been Toronto to Toronto, however, not for very
42:15
long actually. I have to check this.
42:17
I have to, I have to check the map.
42:19
Please give me a second. I, I believe I've been to
42:22
Toronto. Yeah, yes, I, I have been to
42:33
Toronto. I no, no, I have never been to
42:38
Toronto. I've been, I just went to the
42:42
Niagara Falls side of Canada. This is what happened.
42:46
We have a type 1 diabetic son. He's he's grown up now.
42:49
But when we moved to Western Pennsylvania, the amount of
42:53
effort that it took to change from our California-based
42:57
insurance to Pennsylvania based insurance got us to the point
43:01
where we were low on insulin and couldn't, couldn't source it
43:08
period. You know, paying cash for it or
43:11
not. We could not source it.
43:13
And somebody told me go to Canada and I full on did.
43:17
I took advantage of the Canadian healthcare system.
43:20
I drove to Canada and I picked up, I picked up like 6 weeks
43:26
worth of insulin and that got us through.
43:29
So no, I, I did not drive all the way around Lake Ontario to
43:37
where you are actually did I, I feel, I feel like I've been to
43:43
Toronto, but I, I don't think I did, I don't think I made it all
43:45
the way there. That in, in Canada, the city
43:49
that I have visited the most is Montreal.
43:54
And let's see, where else have I been?
43:59
I've been, yeah, I've been to Vancouver, but I, I used to go
44:06
to Montreal quite a bit. I I need to spend more time in
44:10
Canada, obviously. Thank you for your question,
44:12
Natalie. Hey, if anybody's been to
44:15
Toronto, tell me some great places to visit.
44:18
Last question, are there any songs that you associate with
44:21
particular memories? This gets me back to Long Beach.
44:26
Yes, there's so many songs. Oh my goodness, there.
44:31
There are so many songs that I that that I associate with
44:37
particular memories. When I was a kid, a senior in
44:41
high school, because I was a total nerd.
44:47
I went with the other nerds. And I'm saying this with love,
44:50
right? This is who we were.
44:51
It was it was the smart kids, the overachievers and me hanging
44:56
out. We went down to Long Beach for a
44:58
yearbook convention where we competed in this national thing.
45:07
I was out walking a boot in Long Beach with our crowd.
45:13
I think there were seven or eight of us.
45:15
I remember it very, very well because we were hungry.
45:18
We're looking for a place outside of the hotel to eat and
45:21
there was a place called Mama Tina's Cucina.
45:24
I checked to see if Mama Tina is still open.
45:28
It is not. Of course this was 93 when I was
45:31
there so it's it's been a while. What is that?
45:34
That's 53 years, not 5333 years. Goodness sake.
45:41
Anyway, and when we found Mama Tina's Cucina, somebody in our
45:50
group, I think it was my buddy Eric called it A Hole in the
45:53
Wall. And that is the very first time
45:55
I remember ever hearing the phrase a hole in the wall.
45:59
Now years later, as I was really getting into early rock and not
46:06
early rock'n'roll, let's let's call it 70's rock and roll
46:08
earlier than my life rock'n'roll.
46:13
I heard the song Can't You See by Marshall Tucker Band, which I
46:16
know Mooney you saw live, but there's a there's a part in that
46:22
song that says I'm going to find me a hole in the wall.
46:24
I'm going to crawl inside and die, right?
46:27
Every time I hear that, that verse of the song, I think about
46:32
eating an Italian dinner at a hole in the wall in Long Beach,
46:37
CA. It is one of my favorite
46:39
memories with some of my favorite, favorite people.
46:44
But that's what came to me when, when you asked this question.
46:48
There are so many others, like a lot of a lot of my memories that
46:53
have to do with songs. I, I associate with the dances I
46:59
was at when I heard those songs. You know, when I was a kid, I
47:04
grew up, I started high school in 1989.
47:07
I graduated in 1993. So junior high to through high
47:11
school was the late 80s, early 90s.
47:13
There's lots of dances, you know, a lot, lots of those
47:16
things. And so like when I listen to,
47:22
you know, somebody by Depeche Mode, that the the one that was
47:27
the live recording, right? So you can hear the crowd in the
47:31
background. It's a very good recording.
47:33
That's the one that would be played at dances.
47:35
And I always associate that with Diana Nicholson.
47:38
I thought she was the best fact. Diana, if you're watching now, I
47:41
know Diana doesn't live very far from me and I and I am in touch
47:44
with her and I was in love with her when I was like in 8th and
47:48
9th grades. I just have some of the most
47:51
fond memories of of that with Diana and and other girls,
47:56
right. A lot of those old songs.
48:00
What's another one? One that became popular was
48:04
Unchained Melody by The Righteous Brothers.
48:06
Why did that become so popular that that was in a movie or
48:09
something, right? Was that, that wasn't, that
48:14
wasn't Dirty Dancing or something like, but it became
48:17
popular and so that would be played at the dances.
48:21
And yeah, there's so yeah, I, I, I guess what else?
48:25
Oh, like there's a, there's a song from Mana called Vivir
48:33
Sinaire. And I, when I listen to that
48:36
song, I'm taken back to the very first time I heard that walking
48:40
in a, in a barrio in Chacabuco, Cordoba, Argentina.
48:48
And I heard the song. I thought, I thought it was
48:51
gorgeous. I stopped and listened to it.
48:54
And I, and yeah, I, I, I was feeling that at the time, I was
49:00
6000 miles away from the person that I loved the most.
49:05
And I remember thinking, oh, I would love to be able to live
49:07
without air, right? Because that would be easier
49:12
than what I'm doing right now. They're just, they're just so
49:16
many. What was the song that was
49:18
playing when I finally had the courage to?
49:22
Oh, it, it was the moment where I was like, OK, this is the
49:28
beginning of my life with Kimberly.
49:31
And it was a it was another one of those songs.
49:33
It was like, I'm blanking on the name of it right now, but it was
49:39
one of those slow songs from the 80s that was being played where
49:43
we where we were and we were dancing.
49:45
And I'm blanking on it right now.
49:48
But that was the moment that my life with Kimberly began and we
49:54
were engaged, you know, shortly after that and married shortly
49:57
after that, started our family shortly after that.
50:00
You know, it's just, yeah, music is magic.
50:02
It's magic. Can't wait to hear what you guys
50:05
how you guys answer this question I want.
50:09
To be well, I gave you a specific.
50:10
Answer the Marshall Tucker Band, right?
50:13
Can't you see? Want to crawl inside and die?
50:16
Find me a hole in the wall, Crawl inside and die.
50:20
While you guys are telling me your answers to those questions,
50:22
let's let's check out some headlines.
50:31
True crime headlines. Okie dokie, I'm going to bring
50:35
you back over to the Cory Richins trial and you zoom up on
50:39
this real quick and bring into it this from the New York Times
50:42
link in the description below. Cory Richins found guilty of
50:45
poisoning her husband in Utah murder trial A Utah mother of
50:49
three who wrote a children's book.
50:51
She did not everybody. She did not write Once Upon a
50:56
trial, her ghost writer wrote Once Upon a trial.
51:00
She wrote Are you with me or whatever it was.
51:03
She didn't even write that. That's a that's a that's a
51:06
stretch. New York Times, who wrote a
51:08
children's book about grief after her husband's death, was
51:11
found guilty of his murder on Monday evening.
51:14
Cory Richins, 35, was also found guilty of attempted murder, 2
51:18
counts of falsifying insurance claims and forgery, and what
51:21
prosecutors argued was a scheme for Miss Richens to poison her
51:25
husband, Eric Richens, 39, and inherit more than $4 million.
51:29
She had also opened multiple life insurance policies on her
51:33
husband without his knowledge, totaling about 2 million,
51:36
prosecutors argued. Miss Richens, who hung her head
51:40
as the verdict was read, faces 25 years to life in prison.
51:44
Her sentencing is scheduled for May 13th.
51:46
The jury took less than 3 hours to deliberate after three weeks
51:49
of testimony from 40 witnesses. Miss Richins waived her right to
51:53
testify and her lawyers did not call any witnesses.
51:57
About a year after Miss Richins death, Miss Richins published
52:00
Are You With Me, a children's book.
52:02
She said she wrote to help her three boys process the loss and
52:07
it prompted and it and promoted it on a local station.
52:11
And then it goes through. You know why it was the motive
52:15
was money. It was money and that's the way
52:18
it was. This was written actually, I, I
52:22
found it on Yahoo, but it's from the globe.
52:25
This this one is rather what am I trying?
52:30
Let's zoom up on this so you can see it.
52:34
This is this is rather tabloid, but we haven't had an update on
52:38
Nick Reiner in a bit. This is written by Doug Montero.
52:42
Link to it in the description. Nick Reiner considering writing
52:45
a tell all to offer his side of the story after parents murders.
52:48
I don't know how much I believe this, but I thought I'd share it
52:51
with you, Nick Reiner. And you can tell by the by the
52:56
way, it's written right. This is this is not serious
52:58
journalism. This is pretty tabloid.
53:00
So we're going to be pretty quick.
53:02
Nick Reiner is fuming inside an LA prison over how his family
53:06
and famous friends have left him to rot after his arrest for
53:10
allegedly slaughtering his filmmaker father Rob and
53:13
producer mom Michelle, according to insiders who say the accused
53:16
killer is now planning a revenge.
53:18
Tell all to even the score. In a shocking twist, an insider
53:23
confides that the troubled 32 year old wants to quote wants
53:27
quote to lift the lid on his parents sorted secrets he was
53:30
exposed to as a privileged Hollywood kid and offer his side
53:33
of the story detailing why his parents were butchered in their
53:36
own bed. So dumb.
53:37
The insider adds. Nick wants to name as many names
53:40
and cause as much embarrassment as he possibly can.
53:45
So blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
53:49
First of all, written in such a tabloid style.
53:52
And secondly, just shut up. Who cares?
53:56
Just shut up. I'm sorry I even brought it up.
53:58
I'm just going to close that tab and pretend like it never
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happened. So dumb.
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It is kind of a thing, though, where we we're in the dead zone
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in this case, right? We're waiting, waiting, waiting
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for more news and we're getting nothing.
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So those guys, those are your headlines, true crime headlines.
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Okie dokie, let me read your comments.
54:29
Oh, Marie, hitting the nail on the head.
54:31
Unchained melody was in the movie ghost that of how could
54:34
you forget that? It made every young man want to
54:38
take up pottery. It became so popular.
54:44
Woo, that was a scene, man, that was a scene.
54:49
Diane Farah says I just finished To Kill a Mockingbird, Page
54:52
Turner and tearjerker. Boy is it dill was based on
54:56
Truman Capote. I didn't know that we'll be
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seeing the play this Sunday. I did not know the dill was
55:03
based on Truman Capote. Scotch's mom says a lot of
55:08
journey songs were the soundtrack to my college years.
55:11
82 to 88. Open arms.
55:14
Open arms is got to be the best dance.
55:17
Like closer, right? The last slow dance, last slow
55:20
song of the dance journey. Yeah, yes, indeed.
55:26
Garth Bennett, REO Speedwagon song I want to Keep on Loving
55:29
You. Brings back memories when hubby
55:31
and I were dating. We will be married 44 years in
55:35
July. Good on you.
55:36
Good job, Garth Bennett. That's awesome.
55:39
Diane says Toronto has the Hockey Hall of Fame.
55:44
Awesome. And Becky comes in.
55:48
Oh, let's see who came in with Bon Jovi.
55:51
Somebody said Bon Jovi, though. I missed it.
55:54
Yes, Heidi Heidi. Not Heidi Heidi not Heidi says
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all 5 charges Guilty guilty, guilty, guilty.
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Tina May. What an amazing day yesterday
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indeed. Yep, Eric's birthday is May 13th
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and that is the day that they are going to do sentencing.
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Looks like I don't. I think that that was
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coincidental, Mary says. I love the group journey.
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I saw them. Alexander says Bon Jovi is the
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best. Yeah, I never say goodbye.
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That's a good one. That's a good one, guys.
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That's a good one. OK, We have got to pay this off.
56:39
We got to pay this off. We hit our goal now I want to
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make sure that I I mean we end up with 13 super chats today.
56:47
Thank you everybody. I think I I think I may have
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missed one if if I change my screen, I'm not going to be able
56:52
to get my my highlights, but I'm going to change it anyway just
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because I want to make sure that I get this one in here from
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Diane. I don't think that we got that
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one. Thank you Diane.
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I appreciate. All of you.
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Who provided those super chats and super stickers today?
57:10
OK, what are we doing here? Let me bring it back up to the
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top. Let me give you this.
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Let me reintroduce the subject. This conversation is brought to
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you by Once Upon a Trial, a new children's book by Corey
57:26
Richman's ghost writer. The reviews are in the New York
57:29
crimes calls Once Upon a Trial, What the huh?
57:33
And the Washington Compost says a bold choice was made
57:36
repeatedly read the book Absurdist describes as a bedtime
57:40
story that somehow requires a cross examination.
57:42
Once Upon a Trial available exclusively in evidence lockers
57:46
near you. OK, here I have in my hands the
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manuscript is. The manuscript hasn't been
57:54
published yet. This is going to be the first
57:56
time. Let's let's bring up, let's make
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the screen pretty here, OK? Once Upon a Trial by Cory
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Richins Ghostwriter Once Upon a time there was a woman who liked
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big things, big plans, big houses, big ideas, very big
58:17
ideas. One day she found a house.
58:20
But this was not a normal house. It was a very, very big house.
58:25
So big it felt silly. So big it was not even finished.
58:30
Parts of it were still empty. Parts of it were still just
58:34
wood. It was not a home, it was a
58:36
project. And remember, this is a
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children's book, right? The plan was simple.
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Buy the house, fix the house, sell the house, make lots of
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money. Easy.
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There was just one tiny problem. The house cost a lot of money.
58:56
Fixing it would cost even more money.
58:58
And the money was not really there.
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In most stories, this is where someone says maybe we should
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stop. But no one said that.
59:13
Instead, things got strange. There were talks about drugs for
59:22
a kids book. Talking about drugs.
59:23
OK, there were talks about drugs.
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Not small drugs. Not the kind you take when you
59:29
have a cold. Very strong drugs.
59:32
The kind that make doctors go quiet, The kind people whisper
59:37
about. The kind that can stop a heart.
59:43
Then one night, there was a drink.
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Just a drink. Nothing special.
59:48
Kiddos, kiddos. Little kiddos.
59:51
She's talking about alcohol here.
59:54
I'm assuming that Cory Richard's ghost writer is a she.
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I, I shouldn't, I shouldn't just assume that could be here.
1:00:00
I don't know. We we don't drink alcohol as
1:00:04
children. You wait until you're grown up
1:00:06
and actually just just never do it.
1:00:09
I at 50 years old, I'm 50 years sober.
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That's correct. OK, Continuing.
1:00:14
Then one night there was a drink.
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Just a drink. Nothing special.
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Nothing to worry about. Eric was there at home with
1:00:23
someone he trusted. He drank it.
1:00:28
Uh oh. Later that night he got very
1:00:33
sick. So sick he could not wake.
1:00:37
Up so sick. His body could not fight it and
1:00:40
by morning Eric was gone. He did not get to tell his
1:00:45
story. He did not get to ask questions.
1:00:48
He did not get another day. The house was quiet, too quiet
1:00:57
now. You might think everything would
1:00:58
stop. You might think people would
1:01:00
slow down. You might think someone would
1:01:02
say wait. But no, things moved very fast.
1:01:10
The big unfinished house. Oh, sorry, that that was in a
1:01:15
question. The big unfinished house bought
1:01:18
right away, the very next day. Signed, done.
1:01:23
A giant house with no plan and no money to finish it.
1:01:27
But now it was hers. And then something even stranger
1:01:32
happened. A book came out.
1:01:35
A children's book about being sad about losing someone.
1:01:40
A soft, kind, gentle book. At the same time, another story
1:01:46
was growing. Not in a book, Not with
1:01:49
pictures. This story was made of facts,
1:01:52
messages, money, questions. Lots of questions.
1:01:57
Soon everyone went to a courtroom.
1:02:00
That's where stories go to be checked.
1:02:05
In that room, the story changed. It stopped being neat.
1:02:09
It stopped being pretty. Because facts do not care about
1:02:14
stories. Facts do not care about nice
1:02:18
words. Facts do not care about how
1:02:21
things look. And in the end, there was no big
1:02:25
surprise. No twist, no magic ending.
1:02:29
Just an answer. So many pages and far away from
1:02:35
the big house and the plans and the book.
1:02:39
There were people who were still hurting, people who did not get
1:02:43
a happy ending. So this story does not end with
1:02:47
and they lived happily ever after.
1:02:50
It ends like this. Be careful of stories that sound
1:02:54
too nice. Be careful of plans that do not
1:02:57
make sense and be very, very careful who you trust to tell a
1:03:04
story that is Once Upon a trial by Cory Richins, Ghostwriter.
1:03:11
Now, I have to say, Miss Richins, maybe she just didn't
1:03:15
have a lot of choices. I don't.
1:03:16
I don't think that was all that great of a story.
1:03:19
I don't even think that was a very good ghostwriter.
1:03:22
I think, I think maybe an editor.
1:03:25
Well, well, you know, it's a manuscript.
1:03:26
We should, we should give her that.
1:03:28
Or him. I don't know who the writer is.
1:03:30
Ghostwriter, we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
1:03:33
This hasn't seen an editor yet. It's just a manuscript that I
1:03:37
got because of my, you know, my, my connections to, to the
1:03:43
publishing world. Goodness, goodness, goodness.
1:03:49
A couple things before we go and thank you guys for the live
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