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From Classroom To Sidelines: An Athletic Trainer’s Playbook For Youth Sports | Ep 116 · The Driven Athlete

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SPEAKER_00: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what?
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SPEAKER_00: This podcast is for you.
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SPEAKER_00: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: What's up, y'all?
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SPEAKER_00: It's your man, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Kyle.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: We got a super special guest with us, Tyler Hamilton, Coach Hammy from uh King's Academy.
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SPEAKER_00: He's an athletic trainer there for all the sports.
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SPEAKER_00: So thanks for I know you're a busy dude, so thanks for coming in.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_01: This is super exciting.
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SPEAKER_01: Congratulations on the podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: What an undertaking.
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SPEAKER_01: And and uh I'm excited for you and I'm excited for everybody to hear what you have to say.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh well, I appreciate that.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it's you know, we bring some value, you know, with stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And I know you're gonna bring a lot of value, so I want to bring you in and some cool insights, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: But anyway, tell people where like where you're at, what you do, what your role is.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm at the King's Academy, which is a private school.
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SPEAKER_01: We have preschoolers all the way through 12th grade um here in West Palm Beach.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, so to private Christian school, and uh our athletes um are middle schoolers all through high schoolers.
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SPEAKER_01: We have um, you know, over 25 different sports um offered, and uh and you know, you've got middle school teams, you've got JV teams, varsity teams, all kinds of things.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's a good opportunities for people to get involved.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize it was that many.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a lot, but it makes sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Middle school, J V.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and varsity.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a lot for sure.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh makes it it does offer the great opportunity for so many different people to have a good athletic experience while they're at the school.
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SPEAKER_01: So I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: When did you start there?
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SPEAKER_01: This is my tenth year, so fall of 2016.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I started there.
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SPEAKER_01: So I came over from um Palm Beach Atlantic.
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SPEAKER_01: I was on the faculty there teaching athletic training at PBA and for 10 years before that.
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SPEAKER_01: So wow.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, and I still teach there.
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SPEAKER_01: I love PBA.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, it's great.
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SPEAKER_01: I just they have a great program.
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SPEAKER_01: Like the great setup.
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SPEAKER_01: They do.
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SPEAKER_01: And um especially their um their health and human performance department.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, when athletic training um when I left there, um, they actually phased out the athletic training program um several years after I left.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but what remains is a really, really stout health and human performance department.
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SPEAKER_01: So they have some really quality faculty members there, a couple just outstanding exercise physiologists, um, uh physical therapists, longtime um West Palm resident who's just physical therapist, strength and conditioning specialist, paramedic.
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SPEAKER_01: Like he's just jack of all trades.
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SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Um so just outstanding faculty there.
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SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: We um we see some uh PBA athletes on occasion, they'll reach out um and they always have great things to say about the whole sports program and yeah, the re uh the athletic training department, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the athletic training department's great.
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SPEAKER_01: They've been there a while and they've got some great experience.
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SPEAKER_00: So you you taught there for 10 years?
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SPEAKER_01: I taught there.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm still an adjunct there, so I teach there once.
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SPEAKER_01: I teach one class like every spring.
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SPEAKER_01: Um so I love to keep my foot in there.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Um just I I really just am connected to that university, love it.
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SPEAKER_01: And um so I was there full-time though for 10 years.
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SPEAKER_01: Before that, were grad school.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh I did grad school um in North Carolina at UNC Greensboro.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and then I worked before that I worked for several years um between undergrad and grad school.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh before grad school, I was working for a few years.
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SPEAKER_01: Where at?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm from Southern Cal, well, I I say I'm from Southern California.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and so I went to undergrad at Cal State Fullerton um in Orange County, California.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, that's where I did my athletic training program back in the day when it was uh the entry level was a bachelor's program.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I did my my uh athletic training program there, fantastic program there.
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SPEAKER_01: Um worked for several years in Southern California.
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SPEAKER_01: Um as an athletic trainer.
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SPEAKER_01: I also got into I did some personal training um stuff as well.
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SPEAKER_01: So kind of found this niche with my background in athletic training.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I had also worked when I was going through uh college, I had worked in physical therapy before I got into athletic training.
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SPEAKER_01: So I kind of had this this confidence and this this uh kind of this niche working with clients who had more complex medical histories, um, and then also athletes and that sort of thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So that was kind of a fun, that was kind of a fun chapter of life too.
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SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so you were you born or raised in Southern California?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a convoluted question or answer because um my dad's a retired Marine.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So y'all bounced around.
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SPEAKER_01: We did, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I call San Diego home because that's where we were three different times.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and I was actually born in Hawaii and but we didn't live there long.
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SPEAKER_01: By the time I was born, my parents had like one more year left on the tour.
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SPEAKER_01: So then we moved to San Diego and then we bounced around, but always ended up coming back to San Diego.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what we that's what I consider, you know, um, you know, kind of where I'm from.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Is uh yeah, and I just love San Diego.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's always tough like bouncing around a lot, moving around, different schools, different homes.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it depends on the the person and the family and and kind of your temperament for that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and and your personality a little bit probably differs.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, if you ask somebody else, they may have a different answer.
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SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
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SPEAKER_01: I loved moving around, meeting new friends, just seeing new places.
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SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: It's good.
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SPEAKER_01: Um one of the things that you kind of learned, I think, um being in that lifestyle um is that no matter almost no matter where you go across the country, between church and the military, you can go pretty much anywhere in the country and and there's some kind of connection.
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SPEAKER_01: Like either you know somebody or you know somebody who knows somebody.
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SPEAKER_01: And and so you can make really good connections like pretty much anywhere you go in the country.
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SPEAKER_01: That's true.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: I liked growing up that way.
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SPEAKER_01: I do think I will say this that I do think that my um kind of my my love for sports and and being active and that sort of thing made it a lot easier for me to make friends no matter where I went than it might for somebody else that's really not into that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's true.
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SPEAKER_00: So you you enjoy variety, like meet new people, new experiences, a variety of of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: I do.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's funny.
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SPEAKER_01: I I've lived here in in South Florida, in West Palm since 2006.
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SPEAKER_01: So we're we're approaching 20 years.
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SPEAKER_01: I've never, I mean, so that's weird for you.
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SPEAKER_01: It is weird, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it got weird after about you know seven years being in one place.
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SPEAKER_01: I was like, wow, this is far longer than I've ever lived anywhere.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: So that's cool.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but I just you know, you moved to South Florida, it's so much like Southern California in a lot of ways.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was an easy transition for me.
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SPEAKER_01: I loved it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I I just I can I can remember the very first moment when I got off I-95 and headed east on Okeechobee.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I just I can see the skyline when I came here.
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SPEAKER_01: I had this like settled feeling, you know, just thinking, all right, this is home.
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SPEAKER_01: I love it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So that would have been in 2006.
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SPEAKER_00: 06, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I was a senior in high school.
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SPEAKER_00: There you go.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, depending on when in 06.
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SPEAKER_00: August.
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SPEAKER_00: August of 06.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was up.
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SPEAKER_00: That was my senior in high school doing football camp.
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SPEAKER_00: Youngster.
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SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, well, the the way with the variety and new experiences and stuff, that fits it really well with what you do because you see so many different kinds of athletes, different stages of life, yeah, different um issues with all the athletes.
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SPEAKER_01: That's been a new um challenge as well.
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SPEAKER_01: When I went to the King's Academy, um, you know, I'm working solely with pediatrics.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I had I, you know, I wouldn't say that I ever had an inkling or even like a burning desire to work with, you know, high school and middle school aged um students.
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SPEAKER_01: What what led you to ATC?
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SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, so I did it go back to high school, so senior high school, trying to figure out what am I gonna do with my life and all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: And and and somewhere in that year, um, I connected with a physical therapist who went to church with us.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I asked him if I could shadow in his clinic.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and so I did that.
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SPEAKER_01: He had a few clinics, and so I I kind of shadowed in a couple of those.
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SPEAKER_01: I went to community college right out of high school.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I actually my shadowing turned into a job.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, so I was a PTAide for um for him, for his um practice, and got a lot of great experience.
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SPEAKER_01: Liked, I really liked rehab.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I liked the people I worked with.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh, and I think I might have gotten a little restless being in a clinical setting just all day, every day, sort of thing.
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SPEAKER_01: While I was in community college, I took um an intro to athletic training class.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, in my last semester in community college, I played volleyball for the for the community college.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, and so I got more kind of clinical experience as a patient um uh with the athletic trainers.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just liked, I liked the combination of the emergency medicine side and the rehab side, um, put those things together and and and again probably add some variety, you know, you know, being outside, being inside, being on the road, being home, like all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was super attractive to me.
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SPEAKER_01: So when I transferred to university, um, you know, I I took another athletic training class and uh really liked it and and met my professor, was the program director for the athletic training program, and and I would still consider him a mentor to this day.
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SPEAKER_01: Like he's just that guy.
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SPEAKER_01: Um he was super inspiring to me.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh, and so I I applied to the athletic training program, got in, did that, and uh and and how's that Cal State Fullerton Fullerton, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Kind of well known for their baseball team.
10:43
SPEAKER_01: That's always been their their uh kind of what they're known for.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: But they had some other, you know, good sports there as well when I worked there.
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SPEAKER_01: So I was really um fortunate to um work with a variety of sports.
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SPEAKER_01: And um some of my peers, some of the people that I went through the program with are just really, really top-notch.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you see them today, and they're just doing fantastic work.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and uh and then the professors, I just really um there's some really great professors.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so it was a good overall, it was a great experience.
11:18
SPEAKER_01: I never would have predicted it for myself.
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SPEAKER_01: So, and this is like you know, you see this uh, you know, a few times throughout my life where I could not have written the script for my life um because it didn't turn out that way.
11:33
SPEAKER_01: Right.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: And and so I ended up at Cal State Fullerton having as a senior seen Cal State Fullerton as a university and said, ugh, I would never go to school here.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, it's in a part of Orange County, it's like concrete jungle, freeways everywhere.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, half hour from the beach.
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SPEAKER_01: I just wouldn't have like, you know, thought, yeah, I'm gonna go to school here.
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SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And also, like, I mean, 30 minutes from the beach, that that's a big drive.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, people would assume, like, oh, you're in Southern California, like on the beach, you know, like PBA is different.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: That's like we're like a mile, a mile from the beach, but 30 minutes in California, Orange County.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's gonna be traffic.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, traffic, you know, and like a haul, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like we're going to the beach today.
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SPEAKER_00: Like in Miami when I went there, Coral Gables.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's like the same.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're like five miles east of the beach, five miles.
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SPEAKER_00: It would take an hour and a half.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like we're going to the beach today.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: It's like we're gonna we gotta haul up, you know.
12:31
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be all day, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you were this way when you were in Miami, but I remember very distinctly in when we moved to or when I moved to Orange County um to go to school, like you know, your radio presets would all be set for stations that had traffic updates like every six minutes or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, you get in the car and when you're trying to decide, okay, where am I gonna go and how or how am I gonna get to where I want to go?
12:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: You have to figure out okay, what's the traffic what are the traffic patterns doing right now?
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SPEAKER_01: Um because then it'll it'll determine what path you take.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we uh that's that's I mean, smart, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um that's uh but no, that's awesome.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: So then did you if you did feel like you would predict your script, what do you think you would have done instead?
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SPEAKER_01: Um that's a good question.
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SPEAKER_01: I think as a kid, I always wanted to be a marine aviator like my dad.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: That was like my dream.
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SPEAKER_01: Loved it.
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SPEAKER_01: Had posters of all different aircraft all over my walls in my bedroom.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, that are professional soccer player.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't, you know, like you know, but neither of those were gonna happen for various reasons.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: I have bad eyesight, I'm not that great of a soccer player, you know.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: So um there's a certain intangibles needed for either of those.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad I wasn't in charge of, you know, determining the script, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: But um no, I think um, yeah.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard that that saying that man makes plans and God laughs?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel like.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
14:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: I definitely feel like that, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so you're so at King's Academy, we're coming up in the spring season.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it gets busy.
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SPEAKER_00: And what are the sports coming up?
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SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of sports in the spring.
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SPEAKER_01: Spring is like spring is probably when we have the most number of student athletes participating.
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SPEAKER_01: Um so we have lacrosse, boys and girls lacrosse, we have softball, baseball, tennis.
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SPEAKER_01: Track and field's a big one.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of people track and field's great because it's so accessible to so many people.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, you could never have played a different, you know, some other sport, and you could go out for track and field, and there's probably going to be a place for you.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: Um like what?
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SPEAKER_01: Um it could be, you know, sprinting.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're a great sprinter.
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SPEAKER_01: They'll turn you into a great, great sprinter, um jumper, thrower.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: Um there's some people that come out that, you know, maybe come from other backgrounds.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking, you know, we've got kids that have done gymnastics and they turn into really fantastic pole vaulters.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes sense.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: I've actually never done any of that.
15:23
SPEAKER_00: I never did any track or pole vaulting um or um shop hood and like that.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: But I always thought pole vaulting was really cool.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: It seems really cool.
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SPEAKER_01: I always enjoyed, I worked with track and field um both in undergrad.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, that was one of my clinical rotations, and um, and then at a community college where I was an athletic trainer, um, and now here, and it's you know, the and I have had the opportunity, especially in undergrad, be just because of um the types of meets that we competed in and some of the people that were around Southern California.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw some really high quality pole vaulters, and it was always super interesting to watch them work.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: I think maybe they're a little unhinged.
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SPEAKER_01: They're like there's gotta be something, there's just a different mindset for a pole vaulter.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But I I really respect it's funny pole vaulters.
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SPEAKER_00: It's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and so with all the sports, like what does your day look like?
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Because the sports hasn't really like kicked into gear yet.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: It's late January right now, right?
16:28
SPEAKER_01: It's it's kind of the it's uh it's essentially the same.
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SPEAKER_01: It just um, I mean, all year, you know, every season, fall season, winter season, spring season, each have something unique.
16:41
SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, I don't really start my job.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: I um I mean, really it in full effect, it starts at like you know, 3 05 p.m.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: when school gets out.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: Um so before that you're doing documentation or prep.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: I'll do documentation.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: I also teach a couple classes.
16:59
SPEAKER_01: When I came on at at King's, they started a sports medicine track or distinction for students, high school students.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's an elective program.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, they've since added another um kind of uh little track under the pre-med heading.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's sports medicine and then there's medical science.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: And so when I came, so every semester I teach two classes there.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: That's towards the end of the day.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, so I'll teach that and then I'll prep for the for the day um or for the afternoon.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: Um it's documentation, it's checking catching up on emails, texts, um physically preparing for the afternoon, getting my gear ready.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Um and uh and then when school's out, people come in, they and you know, we'll do depending on the day.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, Tuesdays and Thursdays are super heavy competition days.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's kind of like it's a lot of taping and just trying to make decisions on okay, can this person go?
17:56
SPEAKER_01: Can they not go?
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then and then just going and and covering, you know, games, being physically present at at different games.
18:05
SPEAKER_01: Um so in the spring, I think the one difference besides the number of athletes that we see in the spring is is just gonna be there are gonna be more um late nights um throughout the week, just because you've got you know, baseball, softball, and lacrosse that all tend to play later.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Evening games, yeah.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: So they won't end until 10, you know, or yeah, I'll get home.
18:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Um baseball probably has a tendency to go latest, or if or if lacrosse has a late start.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so they may end at 9, 9.30.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, by the time I get home, it's probably you know 10 30, sometimes later.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: But fall, you know, fall during you know, Friday night lights.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: That's those are late nights, you know that.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, Friday nights are are late nights.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they don't tend to be that late every day of the week.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just typically Fridays.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, fall sports, football, of course, is gonna be a major one.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Um J V, middle school, J V and varsity.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: What other what else in in fall?
19:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh girls volleyball.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: So and you have the different levels, a couple middle school teams, a JV team, and a varsity team, cross country.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: We have cross country.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, we would always see the cross country teams running around yeah the whole campus.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, that was that's just not me.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: Like they know every square inch of that that I bet.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: I'm like growing like and playing sports in high school, middle school, and stuff.
19:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's not enjoyable to me.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't I just don't see myself doing that.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they would and and they used to have shirts that would say, our sport is your sports punishment.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
19:43
SPEAKER_00: That's actually pretty clever.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: And they would wear it to school.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, that's pretty clear.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally just I don't disagree with you.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, they they get into it, they're they're an interesting group.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, they're I mean, if you had to just kind of pigeonhole a cross-country runner, they're really um, they're pretty systematic.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: They're very root, you know, routine, um, love data.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, and our and our coaches nurture that.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: They're super systematic in their approach.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: They do an amazing, amazing job of programming.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: And um, and so, you know, those athletes, they've got their their big, you know, garments and and all that stuff.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: And tracking numbers.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: And it's great because it and it is great because I can, you know, if I see them in the clinic that and they're having some kind of issue, I can ask them what their volume's been like, what's their intensity been, and they know what their volume's been.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Like they can give you a good retelling of of their program over the previous, you know, week, two weeks, three weeks.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: I believe it.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you've got that objective data, it makes it a lot easier to go back and and try to put some pieces together when you're trying to solve the problem of somebody's injury.
20:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: It's funny, is like my nephew does that.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: My oldest nephew it's exactly him.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Numbers, got the garment, tracking everything.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Could be very good data and recalling, like boom, boom, boom, boom.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Routine.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: It's it's awesome.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: I've always thought that like um, because I, you know, I had I played a variety of sports growing up and stuff, you know.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: I always feel like um each sport has their own personality.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's a culture and a personality for like each different sport.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, I want to get your opinion on this.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: I always felt like like football was very military, lots of ego, yeah, and lots of emotions, you know, passion and emotions.
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, baseball was always very stoic and not much emo, a lot of unwritten rules that you don't talk about.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: And you just act a certain way, but you can't, you don't really speak about, and then superstitious.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Like you can't stand on the chalk line, um, you can't get dirt on the home plate, like whatever when you're back.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: So, like superstitious, they don't really talk a lot, like emotions and Then um their unwritten rules.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Um basketball I always felt was like kind of too cool for school.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Like they have to they can't look like they're trying really hard, but they need to play good and play hard while looking good.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, they need to be like cool.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, that's and that's pretty good.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Volleyball.
22:19
SPEAKER_00: So I can say this because I so I played right, you know, I played football and volleyball in college.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
22:23
SPEAKER_00: I played high-level, but some I'm a D2 in football.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: Volleyball was D1, but um, volleyball seemed to be a little bit more drama, you know, like um just more drama, social drama.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: Guys would be, I don't know, clicky and then mad at each other.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, dude, like this is like an episode of The Bachelorette, you know, like my gosh.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you have that in your school, but yeah, that that was my experience.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: I I do see um I will say about baseball, they're um they have a tendency to be pranky.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: They you know, yeah, they they like to pull pranks.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: They I totally, yeah.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, they um they joke on each other pretty good.
23:08
SPEAKER_01: And um yeah.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, volleyball, I you know, I I I don't remember having I've seen I've seen drama among volleyball teams for sure.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember it, you know, in my limited experience playing.
23:25
SPEAKER_01: Um I don't remember a whole lot of it.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure people have like way different experiences with different teams and depends on the team.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: I yeah, I think our guys tend to have a good time.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, there were a couple they've because our volleyball program is is relatively new, the boys' volleyball team, I mean, um, at our school, um they pull in a bunch of guys that have never played before and they just train them to to play.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: And some of those guys are just really good natured.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: So I think they bring a lot of levity to the program.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so the really good players are really good.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: But I think having those other guys to kind of counterbalance them, um, it might like it might act as like a check on any sort of, you know, whatever, drama, ego, whatever it is.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I think our our volleyball guys, at least at at my school, tend to be, you know, um pretty good natured.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: Pretty level headed.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: They are.
24:24
SPEAKER_00: They thankfully.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: The ones that I I mean, I've only met a couple of them.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I know they're crushing it.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're like they've historically, yeah.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: The last year, they've done really well.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: They won the state championship this past year, and that was, I mean, it was just uh super I mean, a massive highlight because that program was so new.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: So they did well.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, they lost seniors, so we'll see.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know who the setter is gonna be this year.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: So uh that's that's gonna be a you know, it's like losing your quarterback.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: They're they're the quarterback of the of the of the court for sure.
24:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, so but you would say baseball pranksters.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: Um uh cross country is very data, routine, consistency.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: What would you say about basketball and football?
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Football, I think you were I think you were on with football.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, very regimented, military-like, um, passion.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: Those guys are hardworking.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Um and that's you know, um you can have different I've seen different I've seen different identities within different football programs.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: And it's like this for any sport for any team.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, totally.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: But I think our particular program, what I've I have appreciated in particular is that um the the buy-in from the coaching staff on the strength and conditioning side in preparing their players um has been magnificent.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: And it also shows the team how important that part of their training is.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so they then take that seriously.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: Um and then so you kind of have this, you know, between coaching staff, strength and conditioning staff and athletes and their families, because it's a massive sacrifice um and commitment for the families because you're talking about training all through the summer, you know, all strength and conditioning during the summer, um, which changes family plans.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: And then you have, of course, a really long season in the the fall.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Um it's a big commitment, like huge film breakdown, practice prep, game prep, game film prep.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: Like there's been just a lot, and then analyzing the film and adapting to adapting to the crazy South Florida weather during the summer and the fall.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Wow, it was a bummer.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that there's the second season, I only because I'm like only coached two seasons there.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like I mean, I love the uh culture, the Kings football culture.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, I would everything I would agree.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: Like everybody was bought in, everyone was super respectful, you know.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Everyone wanted to work um and make everybody better.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: The coaching staff, you um, I would like the culture was really great.
27:10
SPEAKER_00: I was I loved it.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: I was cool.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: And I went first season like that I went out there and like um just hearing the the sounds, the whistle, the pads, spelling the grass, yeah, I was like, oh man, this is good, you know.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's a huge commitment, you know.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: It for sure is, yeah.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: They they commit big time, but um, but I think it's worth it.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: I think the overall experience, even if you had, and you know, we I don't think this particular season, you know, our guys performed as well as they had hoped or or wanted to, but um, but even still the culture is is I think pretty tight.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: And I coach Dan Burk, he's still the coach there.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Burke.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, I like coach, I liked him a lot, too.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: He's a good leader.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, and he kind of recognized I think he has a um a broader perspective on his role.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think every high school, I think every college, I'm sorry, coach recognizes, most coaches recognize that they're not just coaching X's and O's, that they're that they are developing people.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: Um responsible for the development of people.
28:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think his he like takes that to a different degree, like a just a whole different level than I've seen in a lot of other coaches.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: So he's he's fantastic.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: I I agree.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: I really didn't recognize that until later, like that a great coach does that.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: Like they invest, they see the the they zoom out and see a bigger vision.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, which makes you think about like there's this cool like little anecdote that I heard recently, like somewhat recently, they were like this let's say that hypothetically, this person was interviewing three stonemasons.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: You ever heard this this little anecdote?
28:51
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you have.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Stonemason number one walks up, is like, hey man, what are you doing?
28:55
SPEAKER_00: What do you do for your job?
28:56
SPEAKER_00: Stonemason's like, I'm just working on this stone, my hands are hurt, I'm just crushing this stone all the time.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm super tired.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: I just need to get lunch.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm hungry, you know.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: I just keep I just keep chime, just chipping with this stone, it's not even doing anything.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: And then second stone, so he doesn't like his job.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: Second, second stonemason, he's like, Yeah, you know, I've been working on this for a while.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: It helps feed my family.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, I at least, you know, I'm able, it's it's a job that I could be reliable and I earn an income.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: I just gotta get here.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: This is what I do.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: I just gotta get here.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: I gotta do these stones, and this is what I do.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: Third person's like, oh man, I can't wait to tell you about this.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: So I'm making this stone right here, but it's gonna be a big part of this huge cathedral building.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: And like it's gonna be a really important component of like the structural integrity of this cathedral that so many people are gonna come to to have community.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like really excited.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: I'm a part of this.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh my gosh, that makes total sense.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: It's perfect.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: It's just the vision, it's the zoom out.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, what am I a part of something?
29:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, the perspective.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: So anyway, I think I love that.
29:55
SPEAKER_01: I've I've heard that before, and I and it's very I haven't heard it before.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: I just recently, yeah.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: It's so great.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, I like that.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I probably said it wrong, but I was like, Oh, you got it, you got it.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: It was pretty co close.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, Coach Dan, I feel like has it.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: It sounds like he has that.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: A broader vision, yeah.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: And he says it, and and it, and it's one thing to say that you're about that.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: It's a it's one thing for a coach to say, yeah, I know I'm I'm you know, we're bringing up men, we're you know, uh developing men, young men, and that sort of thing, but but really he he walks the walk.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Like and and and it's every day.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: There's reinforcement of that message every single day at the end of practice.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Um after every game, you know, they'll huddle.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: I I mean, have you ever seen in football, like where after every single game, home or away, you get both teams huddled up and the coaches like I mean, it's a little mini sermon almost.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: It's like hey, it's it's cool.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: We're out here just like banging heads, we're we're getting after it, we're getting dirty.
31:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then after the game, hey, this is what life's about.
31:07
SPEAKER_01: It's it is bigger than what we're doing right now, although this is a super important part of life.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Um one day in the future, you guys on opposite teams may be working together.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: You guys are gonna be raising your kids in the same community together.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Um that's a good message.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: I've never heard that before.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: And there are a lot of difficulties in life.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: Um and and um you know, it's it's very difficult to get through life if you are just like you know, mad at the world and hey, listen, there's a God who loves you.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: Um and like every single practice, every single game, he's preaching that.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: And it's and and he walks that walk too in his personal life.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's cool to see it's it's cool to be able to see up close the way that a coach um really um does more than just teach X's and O's really is kind of responsible for the holistic development of of all the kids in their charge.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: I definitely miss that, you know, like as a player.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: And also as a coach, it was cool, you know.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: I had a minor role, you know.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I still enjoyed it and I really wanted to do my best.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, there was one season where it was tough because like I just didn't, I the plays were so complicated and were being changed all the time.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, I'm a I'm I'm I'm I'm lost.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: I can't really intervene that much.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: That's tough.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: As a as a football player, it's funny that it would, yeah, you would say that.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: To me, I look at it and I'm like, you know, I see them calling plays and talking about, you know, all these different like, you know, whatever formations, personnel.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:53
SPEAKER_01: And I'd I I mean, I've been around football a long time now.
32:57
SPEAKER_01: And if you gave me a quiz on football, I I'd fail miserably.
33:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, so it makes sense that to me it's like reading Greek or hearing Greek.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: It's funny that you say that.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: This that usually I'm like a little pick up on it, you know.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, Adam was really always really great.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: He would like really dive into some plays with me, just make sure I'm on board.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, I could got it.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'll study these guys, I'll make sure I'm I know what I'm doing.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Um, it was just it was just tricky because things are it was like tricky automate uh audibles and different formation um setups, you know.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I just wasn't on a I was like, man, it's this is a bummer.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: I can't like I just was a yeah, it was a bummer.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: Plus that season of life for you was rough.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: It was hard.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: Very busy with your uh your practice.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: And certainly with your family.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that second season.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: This was in 2022.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: So the first one was 2021.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, and um, yeah, 2022 was the second season.
33:56
SPEAKER_00: And then after that, I was like, I can't at this point I need to focus on my family and also in the business.
34:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, we had just moved into the new clinic, so it would have been August of 2022.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: So like July was like, okay, camp's rearing up, getting ready.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: We had moved in here April 1st was like officially the first time.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: My son was born April 28th.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: So then May, June, July, camp's coming.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: So we had a three-month-old, um, and this was moving and grooving, you know, a lot of changes were happening.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, I remember like the first day of camp, I got home um for practice, and Nicole was like, I can't wait for the season to be over.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Oh boy, this is not a good start.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I get it, you know, because my daughter was two.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: She'd just turned two.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: And then my son was three months, and then this was moving and grooving.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: It was tough.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: But I was but I was like, you know what?
34:49
SPEAKER_00: I have it, I've I got a plan.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: And I'm gonna be there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna come Thursday because I just walk through anyway.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: And then game Friday, and then I won't be back until Monday.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: And you know, everyone was like, that's that's just the expectation, and like that's what I can.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: I'd love to help.
35:04
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, cool, we'd love to have you, you know, whenever you can.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, it was just it was just a time commitment.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: There were definitely days where I get home at like 6 45, you know, yeah, um, because of traffic or whatever.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: And uh the kids were already done with bath time, yeah, getting PJs on, yeah, bedtime routine to settle down.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: And I come in, they'd be excited.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: And then like Nicole would be like, we need to get him calmed down, you know.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: Like that's a tough time.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: That that particular season of life when your kids are that young is is particularly challenging.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: I remember the the previous season, uh, I did the same schedule.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: My daughter was uh one in change, you know, one and a half at the end.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: And um, there was definitely like a day where I would like I didn't see her at all.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'd go early for work and then go to practice, come home, and it'd be like 6 45.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: She's like, She's just really missed her nap or whatever was messing.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: She's already asleep.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: So and then I'll go back to work the next day before she woke up and I wouldn't get home until the next day until like 6 30 at bath time.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, that was tough.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: That is tough.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is it's only 12 weeks, you know, it's like a 12-week period.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, then after that after the second, she's like, I'm thinking when it pause.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: But 10 years from now, five years from now, we'll see.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: As your kids get older, I think maybe reconsider.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they'll coach them.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: See where you are as a family.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Right, exactly.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:25
SPEAKER_00: But it's funny though, is like even though my daughter was so young, she still talks about loving going to games.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh, dishes.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: She's like, I want to go watch daddy's football game and like cheer for daddy to the team, and like she loved be, she loves all my kids so far love the energy and like goings on the people, like you know, that's what lots of energy.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: That's one of the things that made our our our um sort of integration into going to King's um so great and so a lot easier my first year there.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: Cause I go from I loved, you know, teaching college.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: And then I go to, you know, and I went to now work in middle school, high school.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: It's a new environment.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: My kids are now in school.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so the fall activities, Friday night lights, like going to football games, like, you know, as a family, I of course was working, but then my kids and my wife would go.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: And and it made that, you know, just having that to look forward to and to be part of, and that, and like your daughter said, the energy and just the excitement associated with going to football games um on Friday nights was just it made that integration into a new environment and and certainly a new job um a lot easier.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: And certainly fun, yeah.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: No, we definitely well, you know, like yeah, we'll see.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, a couple years, we'll see where we're at.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: Cause I did enjoy it and I enjoyed like the culture, I enjoyed being part of the development for young guys, you know, and um it's cool.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: Like I saw a player a couple weeks ago um somewhere in gardens, like in we're getting lunch of some sort with my kids.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: And uh saw him in there, and uh I almost didn't recognize him because he's a lot older, just graduated.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I was like, he was what's up, coach?
38:15
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Oh man, what's up, man?
38:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, like he looked big, you know?
38:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: I think it was a freshman when I was he might have been a sophomore when I was last year.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, yeah.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Maybe a maybe a freshman.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: I think it was a freshman when I was my last year, but then that's cool.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess what I had heard from people was like, and I'm sure you would attest to that, like you don't realize the impact you have if you think you really weren't that significant, you know, more than you think.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know if that's true for me, but um, he remembered me, you know, which is cool.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably true for everybody.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: You don't there are things that you do intentionally.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you hope they'll have an impact, but but you honestly don't know um, you know, how the little things and just and maybe just the consistency, just the your presence on a consistent basis, you just just being there.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: Um it it can can hit somebody differently, right?
39:07
SPEAKER_01: It can have a an immense impact on somebody's life.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: So especially for someone like you, like I mean, with the clinical component, getting guys back to sports, working with them and stuff.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: Um, what are like what are the most common things that athletes come to see you for?
39:23
SPEAKER_00: Like what are some of the most common injuries?
39:24
SPEAKER_00: Or is it super diverse?
39:26
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I mean, you can always, I think I probably fit the statistical mold pretty easily.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: I think probably, you know, ankles, lower leg pain, knee pain.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, those are probably I I would say lower extremity as a whole, but but if you really nail it down, I'm gonna say ankle sprains, um, of course finger, like finger, you know, sprains and and uh that sort of thing.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, ankles, lower legs, uh knees, that's that's what I probably see most.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: Which makes sense.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: A lot of a lot of growth uh spurts going on and vulnerable growth plate locations, yeah, with uh all the impact.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: The development, yeah, and you have a variety of of sports.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: So and so many, you know, for so many of those sports, there's they have to run, they have to jump in different ways.
40:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, your nephew runs and runs and runs, right?
40:24
SPEAKER_01: High volume, um, relatively low intensity, but um, but you know, somebody that played the sports that you played, um, you know, super anaerobic, there's just high intensity, um, maybe lower volume, but just high intensity, um repetitive motions.
40:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you add in the kind of the challenge of development, just motor development and and growth and that sort of thing.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: It's been super interesting.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've learned a lot and I just continue to learn a lot about uh sort of the the needs and the nuances of working with a pediatric population.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: It's been really interesting.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: Um I I'm I get super excited when I like when I make some discovery that you know um kind of unlocks my ability to better evaluate and therefore treat a lot of different types of injuries.
41:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, you could have cross-country runner with lower leg pain, and you could have a a you know, football player with or basketball player with knee pain, and and you know, somebody else with some other kind of lower strength pain or even hip or low back pain.
41:35
SPEAKER_01: And when you make certain discoveries about, you know, um motor development and growth, normal growth, and then it kind of helps like it gives you a new lens through which you can see these injuries.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: Um and and that's super exciting.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: I um I love that.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: What would you say is um like what what suggestions would you basically the injuries you've seen in that lens that someone's like, hey, I'm going into season or I'm coming up, I want to lower my risk of injury.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: What things should I do?
42:09
SPEAKER_01: I think I probably harp on um I think maybe the two things that pop into my head first are variation or variability in your activities.
42:25
SPEAKER_01: I think I'm doing the same thing over and over.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just I I think over the course of a and a year, right?
42:32
SPEAKER_01: If you're doing the same thing all, you know, just constantly, um, then there's I would love to see more variation in your activities.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that goes a long way towards developing overall athleticism.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: So if you're a volleyball player and you play, you know, travel volleyball, I harp, I'm I harp on this a lot.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: I, you know, if you play travel volleyball, you know, for 13 out of 12 months of the year, you know what I'm saying?
42:58
SPEAKER_01: You're on two different teams and and it's just going constant, constant, constant, and you're indoors, indoors, indoors, indoors.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Like there's I I see a really big opportunity for you to introduce some variation into your sporting life that I think can only help develop your overall athleticism much more.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, and the same thing for any other for any other sports.
43:22
SPEAKER_01: I totally get, you know, committing to one sport and and really specializing in in a particular sport because you just love that sport.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: For me, it was soccer.
43:29
SPEAKER_01: I loved the volleyball too, but we didn't really have that opportunity until I got back, till we moved back to California.
43:35
SPEAKER_01: So I love soccer, but play other sports, like do other things, develop your overall athleticism.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think can go a very, very long way towards sort of like injury proofing somebody.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: The other thing I would say is that in addition to that, I I'm a huge fan of strength and conditioning programs.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: So, and and for younger kids, like if I had a choice to put every little kid.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: In one little sport, you know, between the ages of three and six years old, I'd put everybody in gymnastics.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: I just love that for overall athleticism, balance, coordination, body control, power.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: And then as they get older, gymnastics is still great or tumbling is still great.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then as you develop and and kind of have the opportunity to then get into the weight room and and to really come under the the uh supervision and tutelage of of a really high quality strength and conditioning coach, I I wish I could put everybody with, you know, our strength and conditioning.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Coach, yeah, and Coach Smith, both of them.
44:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, they're super high quality.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you commit, like they're good at their jobs, they get super excited um when they see those kids that just are are the steady eddies.
44:54
SPEAKER_01: They're in there, they're consistent, they put their nose down, they work hard.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: Um they have been able to not only, I think, injury-proof a lot of kids, but then also they've taken, you know, decent athletes and made them really, really good athletes that then have some great opportunities athletically.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and I do and I do trace it back to the to just that the work that they've put in um with the strength and conditioning coaches.
45:22
SPEAKER_00: What would you say, like I know a lot of parents um have the opinion where it's like, well, they're not ready to lift weights yet.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to hurt.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: What age would you start doing that?
45:30
SPEAKER_00: I think it depends.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: I mean, but you can always you can always do things like, you know, I think again, back to tumbling, to gymnastics, to that sort of thing.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: And you can certainly start to work on movement patterns and and that sort of thing.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: And you can make you can make strength training fun and and not I I don't mean put everybody in a squat rack when they get to age 10 or anything like that, but you can still put them in a weight room.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, my kids, the great benefit of working at the King's Academy is that you know, I have access to the to the facilities.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, um my younger son in particular, my older son like really started getting interested in weight training.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Like he really wanted to start weight training when he was in like sixth grade.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: And so we'd start introducing just like body control, neuromuscular coordination, yeah, not heavy loading.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: He can't heavy load anyway.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: He hadn't hit that time of life when you know he's got this like influx of testosterone, he's gonna be able to, you know, lift heavy.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: But you can start working on technique, you can start working on, you know, totally coordination, balance, um, range of motion, especially as he gets into adolescence.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: But my younger son, like coordinated range of motion.
46:46
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
46:47
SPEAKER_01: My younger son hasn't really gotten interested in like weight training until really this year.
46:53
SPEAKER_01: He's an eighth grader.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, before that, we would set up, we just called it parkour.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: Like we were setting up little parkour courses in the weight room while while I would get my workout in, and while my older son would get his workout in.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: My younger son, like we'd set up, we'd take the mats, we take, you know, the bar, like we were making parkour, little op school courses.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: And he's still, he's having a great time.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: He's getting good exercise, he's developing coordination, power, balance, all this other stuff.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of opportunities to to kind of develop.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh, again, I keep saying it, the athleticism of a of a child, um, or even a pre-adolescent.
47:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you can always adapt.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
47:34
SPEAKER_00: I totally agree with all of that.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: Where it's like, we're uh someone's like, we don't want to lift weights because it's gonna hurt their growth plates.
47:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, we're not talking about heavy loading.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you can still learn the movement patterns, the movement control and coordination.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: What I had heard is like the biggest risk of injury is what you said, which is like the lack of movement control and coordination, and then doing the same things over and over again a lot.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: So like specializing early with poor mechanics, yeah, is basically the bottom line.
47:57
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
47:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I tot also totally agree with the variability, the translation of different sports for just overall coordination and neurological development, and I guess the um being a good competitor.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: I heard that recently too is like having a good relationship with competition.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:16
SPEAKER_00: I heard I was like, I like that from like a professional coach, yeah, um, figure.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I've never heard it before, but I like that a lot.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: It makes total sense.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: So being a good competitor, um, but um I I've I played a lot of sports and in college playing two sports, so we'll go from football to volleyball, boom, boom, boom.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: Um, people are like, it's a weird combo.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: I was like, actually, there's like a lot of similarities.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: Football as it's very explosive, high intensity, four to eight second burst, and you're done.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: Volleyball is like the exact same.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like four to eight second burst, your jumping, your diving, your agility transferring.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's like the same.
48:53
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like that made me I had a good lens for either one.
48:57
SPEAKER_00: And then like volleyball with all the jumping, of course.
49:00
SPEAKER_00: So I was a receiver, it helped with like some of the jumping and timing and hand-eye coordination.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: And then I'll play sand volleyball in the summer.
49:07
SPEAKER_00: And every time I went off the sand and go back to indoor, I feel like I was flying.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, I feel like I'm really because the sand, there's great sand training, you know.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: But you get your timing down.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: The exact timing is different.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: Timing's a little funny at first.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I totally agree with all that stuff.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, man, variety and it's gonna make you a better athlete.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: And I know coaches, like imagine scouts, they're like, oh, you played like varsity basketball and this and that, and you were like all conference.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: It's like you're just a good athlete.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you your stock went up, you know.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: I think also you can't um undersell the the kind of the benefit that just having some change throughout the year has on sort of like your mental space.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I also enjoyed that too.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: Transitioning to sport to sport, get new cleats or new shoes, like new gear, yeah, a whole new culture.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: I like to like that.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Like now I'm gonna totally shift and that's a good point.
50:04
SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: Just personality, I liked that too.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do think that's that's important.
50:08
SPEAKER_01: And and I think um, you know, in my world, I see you know, the a lot of specialization.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: And again, you you can't I I don't want to discount the skill development um that you get from playing the same sport, you know, all year long.
50:26
SPEAKER_01: That is great.
50:27
SPEAKER_01: But I think things like some of the intangibles um can't be undersold either.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: The just the mental break that you have from leaving one sport and and just taking on something else.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: Or even like you said, going from indoor to beach to grass.
50:45
SPEAKER_01: We were having this conversation the other day with it with an athlete.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like I I was a little bit surprised when I moved, and maybe I just don't see this population um here in South Florida, but being from you know, Southern California, I think that you know, we saw people playing volleyball in every different form.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it wasn't I I don't know.
51:05
SPEAKER_01: I I had one friend that was like big into indoor, and that's like, but he also played beach, he also played grass, and we kind of all did that.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: Like I played volleyball too um a little bit, and um, and we kind of all did whatever.
51:19
SPEAKER_01: Hey, you want to go to the beach today and play?
51:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, great.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, let's go downtown, you know, because my hometown in Southern California was even it's kind of um this rural kind of town, kind of set apart from the beach.
51:32
SPEAKER_01: So again, another half hour drive to the beach.
51:35
SPEAKER_01: But our town, we had plenty of grass.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: So we'd set up, you know, a net, and it we had a great time.
51:41
SPEAKER_01: We did a lot of that and we played indoor and all that stuff.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: So it's cool.
51:44
SPEAKER_01: So even if you play the same sport to just change something about it, I think goes a long way towards developing not only it gives you a mental break, but then also I think it really goes a long way towards um developing your overall skill set and your overall authenticism.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: I think with the mental break that I also like um is the like when you remove yourself from something and you have a new perspective, you're looking from the outside in.
52:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: Versus if you're always in it, you can't always see what's going on for different perspectives.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would agree.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: So I like that a lot.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: And then it reinvigorates more passion and fire when you re-enter that again.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: I just like that.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: And that's another thing, right?
52:21
SPEAKER_01: When you've been away from something, how excited are you to get back to it?
52:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
52:25
SPEAKER_00: I know, like I I've I feel like I've seen professional golf, as an example, golf.
52:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'll just golf all the time.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Where a lot of pro golfers will sit out of tournament or they'll just not play for two months until the season starts or the major starts, the major season start again.
52:41
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you've you've heard some of those guys doing that.
52:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I bet what they're doing is they're just removing themselves, one component, just rest, you know, just giving a break, but also removing themselves from being in that box all the time and then seeing it from outside in reinvigorates a passion, new lens and a new perspective, um, get to get out of ruts, you know?
52:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I I I could see that being a case, but I enjoyed that component too.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: I think um I didn't know that about golf.
53:08
SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that I I had kind of wondered like, do golfers ever really have an off-season?
53:12
SPEAKER_01: Do they ever really take off from golf?
53:14
SPEAKER_01: I know baseball it that's you hear about it, baseball at different levels, and and and it was interesting.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: The first time um that I I learned more about baseball.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: I talked to actually Sean Cunningham, who's the head athletic trainer at at PBA, who had spent, you know, the the majority of his career in in Major League Baseball.
53:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, I didn't know a lot about baseball.
53:36
SPEAKER_01: And so I like, you know, sat down with him at a coffee shop and just like wanted to pick his brain.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: He was telling me kind of the the you know that from the end of the season until really kind of like January, they try to get all their players, and for the most part, at least in the you know, in the past, I don't know if if it's still this way, you know, those guys won't throw between the end of the season and you know, January.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Right?
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Give their bodies a break, and then they'll just and then they'll just pursue the other things.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: Like those are great times.
54:06
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean you're sitting on your tail and and just doing nothing for the next three, four months.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, but that's you know, in strength and conditioning world, they talk about active recovery.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: That's active recovery.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: Like go find some hobbies, go find something else, get your brain and your body away from that particular demand and and see how much it actually invigorates you mentally and then also physically when you come back to it.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: I think you come to it like when you start a new season, like you know, you can appreciate that when you go from the end of football season and then you're looking at you know, volleyball season, indoor season starting, you probably approach like the beginning of indoor season, like kind of like a a dog that just got out of the the bath, right?
54:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, just running around excited, crazy, excited, super passionate, and just really re-invigorated.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:04
SPEAKER_00: And I would take off like Christmas break.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: I would always be like at least three weeks.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: So in the beginning of volleyball season, be like in camp.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, I'll be so sore because I'm like, I haven't done anything for like three or four weeks, maybe.
55:16
SPEAKER_00: But like if I needed to, yeah, I can't not, you know.
55:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I would be like huffing and puffing, but it would come back quick.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're like you're a 20-year-old kid, you know, so like plenty of resilience.
55:26
SPEAKER_00: Very resilient, very like I missed those days.
55:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's funny.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, uh thanks for coming in.
55:34
SPEAKER_00: Um thanks for having me.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: We'll uh we'll have to get you again and we could talk more about like clinical stuff, breakdown and like just yeah, management of that.
55:42
SPEAKER_00: But um, if anybody is interested, feel like they want to go to Kings or what what's the best way they can get more info or reach out?
55:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, the website for Kings is TKA.net.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: Um and uh and yeah, my kids have gone to preschool there all the way now.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: My oldest is a sophomore, and so we've seen Kings um across the board.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: We've seen it, you know, at every stage, and every stage is exciting, every stage is different, and we just really it's we I I love it there.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: It's a good family um community.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:16
SPEAKER_01: Um and just I I I wish I didn't sound like a broken record, but I like I just can't get enough of it.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
56:24
SPEAKER_01: I love working there, I love my kids being there.
56:26
SPEAKER_01: I love us being part of that family community there.
56:28
SPEAKER_00: It's awesome.
56:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I really enjoyed it.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: I like really enjoyed the culture and stuff too.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, but thanks for coming in.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: And uh if y'all ever have any questions or comments, questions, concerns, conflicting opinions, don't hit sit to reach out.
56:40
SPEAKER_00: If you're running any pain, also you can reach out.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, we can at least talk on the phone about what you have going on and we can point you in a different direction.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh or if you're an athlete that has questions, we can at least chat and maybe get some direction on that too.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: And we'll catch y'all next time.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: Cool.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks.
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SPEAKER_00: One thing I wanted to say.