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Mom & Dad vs Mandy · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh, God. Oh, my God.
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Yes. Hey, Nick, we kind of like matching or like similar themed shirts today.
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You know, we're space dudes. Right.
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This is planned. No, no.
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Well, if it were planned, I would have.
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No, I probably wouldn't have done it anyway.
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I don't know. You showed up with a turtleneck that one time.
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That's true. I did do that. Yeah.
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It was a inadvertent turtleneck party.
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Oh, wow. I don't think it was inadvertent.
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No, it was vertant. You're right.
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Yeah. It was just at Sean's expense.
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Yeah. I don't really see how it's at my expense.
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I like turtlenecks.
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In fact, I went pulling on after you guys got here. That's true.
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It was a slow burn, though.
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Yeah. Everyone just sort of slowly showed up with turtlenecks
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to this cocktail party that Sean was throwing.
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And then when Nick showed up, I'm like, you did this.
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Fantastic.
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Weird prank. Turtlenecks and chains.
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Good. Yeah. Good. So, yeah, we don't probably have to do too much.
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You know, getting to know you stuff.
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I say whatever the fuck I want to say.
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Fantastic. That's my brand.
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Fine. Yeah. Great. But stuff.
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Yeah. But stuff only.
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This is actually just my agenda for the night.
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It's just only here for the butt stuff today.
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I mean, we're going to talk. Try not to disappoint.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know how much butt stuff was going on in there,
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but definitely that one guy was definitely murdered by but stuff.
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It was definitely. Yeah, there was murder by that stuff.
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Yes, that's true. That's true.
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A butt got real fucked.
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They got stuffed.
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It was butt stuffed.
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Ah, I just don't want to talk about mom and dad.
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I was do we just roll into it?
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Generally speaking, we trip ourselves over things until we suddenly get started.
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Oh, I usually usually by Sean making a good attempt at a segue.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm glad you admit it. Yeah.
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I want to do it now. Good.
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Yeah, good. Then we are going to start. Good. Thanks.
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Welcome back to Cajamatch,
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going around about Nicholas Cage.
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I'm your host, Sean, here with my cohost.
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I'm Nick and our producer, Peter. Hello.
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And special guest this week.
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Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and tell the people what it is you do?
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My name is Brian Kim McCormick, and I'm an actor
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and produce all the things that you do in entertainment.
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So I've written, I've directed, I've edited, I've raised money.
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So jack of all trades, I guess, or starving artists.
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No, I'm not starving.
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So I'll just I'll just stick with artists.
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So I managed to get that far. So.
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Were you starving at one point?
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No, no, I've been pretty blessed, actually.
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I went to school to be a doctor or criminal profiler for the CIA
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and then pivoted into musical theater
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because that's what you do.
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And very actually, they were they just, you know, well, actually,
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you know, now they're very in their old age.
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All they care about is like, oh, we get to see you in things or this.
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You know, they're very popular in their retirement community
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because they can brag about me.
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So I'm glad I could bring that to them.
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But no, I I was a major hustler in my 20s.
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And so I was acting at night and then overnight working in like a hospital.
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And then I was also a semi pro gambler for a large period of time.
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We've had a weird amount of those on the show.
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Two is a weird amount. Yeah. Yeah.
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When talking about Nicholas Cage.
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You got to meet our Atlantic City boys. Yeah.
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Oh, hey, when my 10 years in New York,
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I spent a fair amount of time in Atlantic City.
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I love AC. You might know them already.
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What was your game of choice?
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I am a Texas Holden player.
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OK, no one ever says back around.
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I'm not, but I'd be willing to learn.
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You know, it's just it.
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A lot of these games cost a lot of money to to learn.
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So I paid my dues, I think, in poker with learning and losing money.
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And I still lose money, but I don't think as badly anymore.
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I do manage to make a little so.
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I think back around pretty easy, isn't it?
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Like two cards, whoever is closest to nine.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And then you make money or lose money.
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Well, if it's at a casino, chances are they they're going to be losing money.
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So, Brian, well, Sean is going and getting his dog for you.
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Yes.
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What is your relationship to our lovely Nicholas Cage?
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Oh, I guess a fan for sure.
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I mean, he has quite the career.
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And, you know, I think these two movies are great.
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Example of what I think he.
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Has evolved into, you know, I mean,
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I think my first real introduction to him was probably Raising Arizona.
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And then maybe again with like Conair and then just popping up everywhere.
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And then, you know, it never like I guess I was never a super fan.
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I'll say that. Like I enjoy his movies.
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I enjoy his work, but I'm never necessarily seeking out a Nicholas Cage movie.
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Although now he's pivoted into this weird
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horror action thriller side of his career.
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And that's horror is my favorite genre.
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So that is I you know, if he's in a horror something, I will watch it.
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I can't imagine him doing much of like a romantic comedy that I would be like,
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yes, I need to see Nicholas Cage woo somebody, but kill somebody.
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Yes, we need more romantic comedies with 60 year old men in them.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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Bring back Rosie Perez. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He did kind of have that every man like romantic lead for a minute.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But speaking of the horror stuff, he's got a new movie coming out soon.
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Arcadian. And it's yes.
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So far, like rating pretty well, like people dig it.
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So that's that's awesome.
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I'm excited to get a chance to go see that at some point soon.
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So we'll have some fresh content for everyone.
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Yeah. This old stage.
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Twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. Get fucked.
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These are classic, though.
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I mean, I don't I enjoy mom and dad, actually.
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It's for well, most of it.
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Let's do it. Is your beef with it, the ending or lack thereof?
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Sure. I mean, here's here's my for both of them.
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Honestly, I'll put them in like a little lowercase H horror.
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I think they do fall in the category of the greater sphere of it,
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but I wouldn't necessarily class call it classic by any means.
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Mandy, a little bit more so, but we'll we'll get into that.
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But I think for me, the biggest pet peeve I have with mom and dad
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is that it's only an hour and 20 minutes, but it feels like an hour 45.
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And it ramps up really well.
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Like, I love the premise.
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I mean, who, you know, it really builds nicely.
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But as soon as we start focusing on the main family,
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all the stakes are gone because the kids are never really in danger.
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And unless you're the black kid.
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Well, OK, so well, I was going to bring that up.
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It's like the the keeping true to horror, like the worst things
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were happening to the minorities in the movie.
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But I'm but it kids also like the little boy I for also the daughter
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for being such kind of a bitchy teenager like who knew it all.
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She sure as hell didn't know what the hell was going on when kind of the signs
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were, you know, there was enough information for her to piece together
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that her parents are crazy.
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She needs to get her ass into her house, rip her brother out of the house
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and get the fuck out of there.
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But now she's like, I'm going to talk to you under the bed
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and we're going to sit like you don't got time for that.
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And then he just ruins everything because he's like, mom, dad, are you?
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Is it really you? So all of those pet peeves.
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But, you know, but the but, you know, getting up into it,
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it there was it started out as a very promising movie, I think.
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It's a fine time for all those kids who wanted a new dad
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to just get out and get a new dad.
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It'd be fine because old dad wants to kill you.
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Yeah, new dad. Right. Right.
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They're probably fucking chill as hell with you.
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Yeah, you don't even have blackmail old dad to get out of that relationship.
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You can just leave.
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You just swap. I mean, yeah.
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Little family swap action. Exactly.
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And then they started actually like crossing their own rules
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in their world building that that was getting like
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how much violence they were showing to the black kid.
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Like when he first got home, either he was drunk and all the things
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and he just hates black people and definitely not him to be his daughter's boyfriend.
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Or he's already breaking the rule for trying to knock him unconscious
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as a priority instead of going after his daughter.
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God, that big fucking meat hand.
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Yeah. Bounces his head off the ground.
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That was all. Yeah.
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I remember Peter and I watched this last night and going back into it,
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I was just like, you know, I really wanted this movie to go a bit harder
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with the violence. And then, yeah, when that scene happens, I'm like, no, never mind.
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This movie does go kind of hard at times.
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My concern with the violence in this is that every time they have a good
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like action scene or like something like really tense
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or building is happening, they cut away to some like
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fucking yogurt story 10 years ago.
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And it's like, come on, just fucking stay with the movie. Yeah.
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I didn't need to know that Josh hit a fucking dead bird
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in his dad's T-bird or whatever.
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Well, also those weird flashbacks, I think they could have worked
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if they would have like put them in relevant points in the story.
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Agreed. Like when the kid like runs into the car
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didn't like run away from his dad. Do it then.
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Why the fuck did the kid start the car and then just get out?
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I wondered that too.
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Because fucking Josh. God damn it.
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So many think again, because he's a dumb kid.
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He's the one who was like, oh, they must be like it wasn't for his sister.
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He would undo their their their
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restraints at the end of the movie.
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And do what do we think happened?
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I mean, they have to just rot.
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They dragged the parents into the basement, tied them up,
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and then sat there waiting for them to wake up when they could have just left.
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Or call the police because the cops weren't going to kill you. Yeah.
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Yeah, literally no one else is going to kill you.
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Like, that's it. Yeah.
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It's those two fuckers. A minority. Well, right. Yeah.
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I mean, the cards were stacked against him anyway. Yeah.
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Why was that lady so concerned with the kid leaving the PSA tease?
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Like, you got more time.
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This is really going to affect your life.
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It's like, no, it's the fucking PSA tease.
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Right. And that's the thing, actually, I felt bad about.
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I felt weird about too, is that, you know, he's trying to be set up
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as this character who's the smart one.
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He texts, you know, I crushed this test.
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And then what did he say?
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He said there was some word he used and I was like, I don't think that's a real word.
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I think if you put that on the piece that you would have failed,
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I think it was like hugest or something.
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He used some huger.
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He used some weird word.
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And then again, if he's going to be the brains of the like the show, the movie,
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then like it seemed he was only literally there to be the punching bag.
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Like any time there needed to be violence instead of hitting the daughter,
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they were like, let's just hit the black man.
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Which in 2017 maybe didn't sit as bad as now.
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It's like, oh, yeah, that's a little weird.
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A little bit worse now. We're still figuring things out.
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Yeah. Right. Exactly.
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Punch your daughter. It's fine.
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But I think the I think the most horrific scene in the movie, though,
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was after the sister gives birth and whether or not she was going to kill that baby.
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And that was the line where I was like, where is this movie?
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Is it going to cross it?
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Is it going to go there and be really fucked up?
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Or is it going to stay?
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Opportunity to bite its head off.
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I just go Ozzy Osborne on it and just like write it in.
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I do want to say, though, Nick, you did bring up a good point about
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him being able to hit his daughter's movie.
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She did try and light him on fire.
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True. So by our own rules, he gets one punch.
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Yeah, one punch. So that's fair.
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For your context, Brian, we with the Wicker Man,
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we decided that if someone is trying to light you on fire,
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then you can gender, you can punch them no matter what.
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All right. There.
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She wants to punch.
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But even that fire, like, and correct me if I'm wrong.
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Maybe I maybe I don't know how gas works enough.
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But based on the way and how much gas had filled that basement
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after it was lit, I think it would be a much bigger explosion
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and also have gone back through the hose and like wherever the main source
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and just, you know, that was like a gentle
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like fart lit on fire and blew him across the room.
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We want to get technical.
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Honestly, it probably would not have ignited.
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Oh, it's a very specific like you've got a backdraft situation
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where the door is introducing oxygen.
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Yeah. And so you do have the gas fuel.
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OK. Oxygen.
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Because I've been watching a lot of Mythbusters.
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I burn a lot of things and like stoichiometry is a thing.
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Well, it is convenient that he like struck the matches
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and then just held the door open and then, you know,
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allowed the matches to be able to catch nicely.
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The idea of that trap, though, that was a pretty cool.
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It was a good trap. Yeah.
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It was her best idea of the entire movie.
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She finally proved her worth.
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This movie needed to home alone a bit harder.
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Yes. And that would have been great.
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A little bit of like comedy in it, like put the parents to the ringers.
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That would have been fun.
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I think this movie just had like three ideas and that's like where they left it.
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It's like, oh, man, we'll have parents attacking children.
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OK, I like it. And at one point, we're going to have like a sawzall
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and we'll say it's all like, OK, you're a new homeowner.
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You just discovered this tool. Yeah. Write it into the movie.
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That's fine. And we'll punch a black kid.
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OK, we got ourselves a film. Let's green light this.
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This is terrible.
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I mean, it is from the guy who made Crank.
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Like it does feel like from the guy who made feels like also
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a ghostwriter, Spirit of Von Johnson and Spirit of Von Johnson.
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You're right. A movie that I think fucking rules.
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Yes. Yeah.
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So this is really like a low point in that director's career.
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Yeah. I mean, it was entertaining.
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I had fun up till maybe like the last 20 minutes.
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I do love the directors like frenetic, like energy
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when it comes to action and chasing, like that's all fun to watch.
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And like the payoff of the grandparents coming over is.
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Yeah, yeah, that is.
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That was a fun, delightful, stupid.
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That's the entire movie.
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My favorite part of the movie is just the old man
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getting like weird war story ish over like stabbing his kid.
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But that is another situation where the rules are broken
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because the mother-in-law tries to kill Kendall.
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Kendall. Exactly.
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That's a stripper name.
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Unless this is just how she is.
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And she's always hated Kendall and like, you're not good enough for my son.
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You whore that I'm trying to kill my that I'm trying to kill Brent.
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Yeah. Right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Brent, what a terrible name.
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Brent is a shitty name.
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Brent and can Brent and Kendall.
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Have you known many Brent's?
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I have known three Brent's actually, which is really maybe one.
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Many brands. I think I know too.
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I have a friend named Brett who everyone thinks is named Brent.
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I would change my fucking name if I was named Brett
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and everyone called me Brent.
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That's horrible.
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Like both are bad names.
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Sorry, Brett. Brett doesn't listen to this. Good.
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No, Brett's listen to this.
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This is Brett free.
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Brett Airwaves.
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I mean, I grew up in Minnesota, so we were against the Brett.
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All the. Yeah, we're we're calling it now.
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We're an anti Brett podcast.
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Anti Brett, anti Brent.
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If it sounds like you play lacrosse, get the fuck out of here.
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We're not into this.
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You're out of here, Mackenzie.
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That applies to male Mackenzie's, male Kenzie's.
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That's what I was thinking.
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Yeah, Kenzie.
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Clarification.
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Lady Mackenzie's can listen if they like.
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Yeah, that's fine. Lady Lacrosse.
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You're cool. Yeah.
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You can listen to this podcast, but you won't.
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That does fit my type.
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My feeling on this movie is that it was way more fun than it deserves to be.
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It is not a good movie, but it is kind of a delight.
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I think that's a credit to your actors in it.
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Like without Nicholas or even her.
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I mean, they were both great together.
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I would have watched them and could have cared less about the kids.
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I mean, if they wanted to kill the kids from the start and just deal with,
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oh, we just killed our kids. Now, what do we do?
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That would have been OK to me, too.
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Was it weird to anyone else that like they never established him
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as being like a great father?
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They always establish him as being kind of unhinged.
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So yeah, the weird event doesn't seem to matter.
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It's just like he kind of woke up one day and was like,
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I'm going to go with the flow today.
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Let's see what let's see what the people are doing.
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Yeah. Oh, we're killing kids today.
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Nice. I've been thinking about this.
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Maybe I could knock off one or two more that are just not on the list.
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Where do you think the signal started?
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Who sent who's attacking us?
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I just like the fact that that's a part of it is just upsetting to me.
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I'm like, why is that even there?
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Just have them start killing people.
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I just needed this movie to have like two more months in the writing room.
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This needed to be developed so much more for me.
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Like I watch it and I'm just like, why is that happening?
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Why is that happening?
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There's not even like an attempt at it.
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This movie bothers me.
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And I had to review or revisit like why it went forward.
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And it's because it was going up against Next or something.
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Yeah, it was next.
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No amount of exploding.
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Jessica Beals would say of next.
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I don't know.
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Now that I've watched Mom and Dad again, I kind of think I should have gone back in time.
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No, no. This is where this is worth talking about.
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It's enjoyable.
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It's a struggle for me,
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but it's not horror enough or comedy enough for me.
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True. I think is my problem.
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It's like everything just falls a little short.
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There's moments I enjoyed for sure.
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I liked the grandparents.
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I liked when the mom gave birth
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and then she stands up and the umbilical cords just dragging on. Yeah.
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Yeah, that was gnarly. That was pretty gnarly.
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I'm sad they didn't bite the umbilical cord to get it away fast enough.
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Like, oh, but I think I just want more biting in this.
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There's a couple bites.
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There was a there was some biting because the daughter bites Kendall.
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Yeah, which was a gunshot wound, which damn.
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I did. I did appreciate the use of a hanger as a weapon by the mom.
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Yeah, that was pretty how she got it through his cheek.
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That's impressive.
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And nobody tried to just restrain the hanger arm.
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It's like, no, just hold the closet.
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Why didn't they wrap the fucking closet door shut?
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Exactly. There was a thing right there on the handle.
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And and it's just like that's another example of dumb kids.
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Like kids are the worst.
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We should kill them. The whole movie.
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These kids, they've been trying to kill you.
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And now you're just going to like chill out
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in this while she's behind this closet where she's already proven
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that she's like close to breaking out and we're just going to laugh about it.
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Like you deserve the hanger then that that she that's what you get.
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You hear that, fetuses?
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I hope my ex-girlfriend's new girlfriend keeps listening to this podcast.
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But I think I also enjoy this
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because I've just seen a string of bad horror movies in theaters.
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And so it's just like this is at least a better than them.
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Even with all of its flaws.
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Without getting into it too much for Mandy, I do appreciate that.
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Both these movies are kind of like attempts at schlocky,
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like 70s, 80 B movies with a budget and with Nicolas Cage.
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Yeah. Well, mom and dad probably didn't even have that huge of a budget.
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I had enough of a budget for Nicolas Cage. Sure.
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But it was also like the beginning of him coming back.
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So he probably wasn't bringing in more than a couple of mills.
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They just rented a house and like they got an Airbnb for a weekend.
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Right. And they're like, hey, guys, check it out.
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I slapped together this script and that house probably was set up
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that way, too, with all the dumb fucking stuff on the walls.
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Oh, yeah. You didn't even have to do any set dressing.
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That's suburbia to a T.
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From a visual perspective, like what do you think of this movie overall?
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I think editing saved it.
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And but I also love I like the color palette that they use in it.
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And I like a little bit of washed out suburban look.
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Yeah. Suburban lighting.
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Everything is just a little bit soft.
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And I think it's a good contrast to Mandy in the sense that like
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Mandy is a visual art piece.
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And this is like a movie like this is something you can watch at home.
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Mandy is something that was better in the theater or in a nice,
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like big screen, complete darkness.
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Just be immersed in that world.
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But mom and dad could just, you know, you could have commercial breaks on TBS
22:20
and be cooking dinner and you'd catch everything important.
22:24
Yeah, it's pretty well put.
22:27
So you watch it. OK, this is a slight off shoot.
22:32
You watch a lot of horror movies.
22:33
What would you say is one horror movie slightly better
22:36
and one horror movie slightly worse than this?
22:39
What are its neighbors?
22:42
OK, that's a great question.
22:46
Wow. OK, I think something similar in vain,
22:50
but kind of gives you like the violence that you want.
22:53
And it was that horror movie that came out.
22:56
And I apologize, I don't remember the name.
22:59
Mayhem. Stephen Youn is in it.
23:02
It's the office. They I think Blumhouse produced it.
23:06
Every employee has to like kill another employee to like move on to the next round.
23:10
And to me, it works because it's similar in like visual.
23:15
It's a little high paid, fast edit, you know, quick kill, lots of violence.
23:19
But it ups the violence more because it's all adults.
23:23
And so and then slightly worse.
23:28
I'll go with what was in theaters recently.
23:30
I I'll I just saw immaculate.
23:35
That was long and boring and the payoff was not good.
23:39
So mom and dad is definitely shorter than.
23:43
OK, so yeah, that's the bonus point.
23:46
But but immaculate does have
23:49
umbilical cord biting off in it.
23:51
So you do get that. That's awesome.
23:54
Sorry, spoiler. I apologize.
23:56
I should I shouldn't.
23:58
I don't think there's a huge overlap of people who listen to our show
24:01
and people who care about a spoiler for immaculate.
24:04
People who listen to our show and then actually watch movies.
24:08
Nobody watches the movies we talk about.
24:11
You'd be surprised.
24:12
Nathan does.
24:14
We do have a couple of friends, though, who don't listen to our podcasts
24:17
because they say they haven't watched the movie and they want to watch the movies
24:20
first. I'm like, you never go watch 60 for Nick Cage movies.
24:24
Not a fucking chance.
24:26
That's a lot.
24:27
Like, we don't even want to do that.
24:29
And we have we have done that.
24:31
We've watched more than that.
24:33
Yeah, that's true.
24:34
Yeah, this is going to be we'll have something like 70 episodes
24:37
by the time we're done with the bracket and some bonus episodes.
24:40
So, so yeah, we're in the thick of it for sure.
24:43
Do you have a prediction of what do you all have your favorite front runners
24:47
or what you think?
24:48
I mean, without giving too much away, I think I've got a couple of like top dogs
24:52
that I would be pretty satisfied to see make it all the way.
24:55
I don't think there's going to be one that I'm going to be like, fuck you.
25:00
Yeah, I've got maybe a top five, but I don't think there's some
25:04
like really strong ones in some of the categories.
25:07
I don't know. I feel like some categories just are better vehicles
25:10
for Nicholas Cage, for sure.
25:12
Romantic comedy is not the best for him.
25:14
Sure. Captain Crowley's mandolin all the way, baby.
25:16
Oh, yeah.
25:18
I enjoy that movie.
25:19
It's a good movie, but I just I cannot imagine that one making it.
25:23
It's fine if you're a fascist sympathizer.
25:27
We do live in America.
25:30
I just love Mondra's, that dumb fuck
25:33
getting shot in the ass by a cannon.
25:34
Yeah, that's pretty good. His best role.
25:37
It is probably his best role.
25:39
There's the butt stuff.
25:40
We found it on the matrix of good movie.
25:45
Good cage, bad movie, bad cage, good, bad, bad, good.
25:48
Where would you put this movie and this Nicholas Cage performance?
25:53
I would say this is average for him.
25:57
I think he this is pretty Nicholas Cage, but he didn't go.
26:02
He had a few moments, you know, a few eye looks or things.
26:05
But I think he could have, as you were saying,
26:07
he could have even gone further with his crazy.
26:10
So I but it was it was an average good performance.
26:13
I think for me, I would put the movie as bad
26:17
and his performance as square in the middle mid
26:21
other than some of those like good snapshots of him,
26:24
him getting blown up in slow mo pretty fucking solid.
26:29
Good phase. Now, that's not an acting.
26:32
He's a better actor. He got blown up for real.
26:34
But like so, you know, a bad and a mid.
26:37
And I like this movie a lot.
26:40
Like I think it's fun and stupid and it's an easy short movie to watch.
26:45
Yes, could be shorter. Could be.
26:47
Or just faster. Just cut a little like move things along faster.
26:51
Yeah. Yeah, faster.
26:53
I enjoyed this movie a lot more than I thought I would on the rewatch.
26:56
Like all the problems I remember having with it.
26:58
I'm like, no, this is just dumb fun.
27:01
I it's not a good movie, but it's a fun movie.
27:03
So I put it on like I put on the leaning on the bad side of like fine.
27:09
As for Nick Cage, I think he does some good work in this.
27:11
I really like the crazy to like normal switch.
27:16
He does a few times.
27:18
And he has worked with this director before and with Spirit of On Johns and.
27:25
He gave exactly what I think he was supposed to give for this movie.
27:28
I think he did his job. Josh.
27:36
I think this is a bad movie and a bad take from Nicholas Cage
27:40
and that's not necessarily all his fault.
27:44
I think it's just Primal's fucking gold.
27:48
Primal, he had something to sink his teeth into.
27:50
I just don't feel like he had a like anything given to him
27:56
for like a script.
27:57
It's like, here's some dailies and we're just going to work through this
28:00
and just give us whatever you want.
28:02
I'm not going to bother directing you.
28:04
Nothing felt like, I don't know, strong about his performance.
28:09
Like it was just like, I'm going to read the line and I'm going to do something.
28:14
And that's how I'm going to collect my money today.
28:17
I don't think he cared about it.
28:19
And I could be completely wrong.
28:21
I'd be surprised if this is a role he cared about.
28:24
I watched some interviews from this one.
28:26
He likes the director.
28:27
He likes to interview.
28:29
And he likes to say positive things about the shows and movies.
28:32
He does. It's true, because he wants people to watch them.
28:35
Because that's how he gets paid.
28:37
It doesn't work for your career if you just dog shit.
28:39
Yeah. When you when you go out on a press tour and you start bagging on your job,
28:43
they will start wondering why they hired you.
28:45
Don't come watch this movie. It sucks.
28:47
I didn't even the Madame Web effect.
28:49
Hmm. Yeah.
28:51
So and yeah, I think this comes down to a movie
28:54
I wouldn't even recommend to somebody.
28:56
I would highly recommend this movie to people.
28:58
I would I would recommend.
29:00
This is why people don't talk to you, though.
29:02
No, there are a lot of reasons people don't talk to me.
29:04
It's high on the list. Mom and dad.
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No, because people are always asking for like accessible horror to what I can.
29:11
It's not too gory.
29:12
It's not too scary.
29:14
And it's got a familiar face.
29:16
So, you know, you can be comfortable.
29:18
But yeah, I would push this movie.
29:20
That's fine. I mean, you're only a guest for one night. Great.
29:28
Well established that our guests have no power at all,
29:30
but we still want their opinion. Yes.
29:35
I mean, I can see why there would be an appeal for it.
29:38
It's not a movie for me.
29:41
Aside from a couple of scenes in it where I'm like, OK,
29:44
that would have been cooler if they fleshed it out.
29:46
It could have used a couple more dead kids.
29:49
Or it could have used like a bunch of old people breaking out at the end
29:53
and like a big like everybody like getting the pit, like, yes.
29:57
In the middle, old people versus baby boomers.
30:01
Fight. That would have been cool.
30:03
Yeah. Like once we've established that, like grandparents are fighting back.
30:07
Absolutely. Then you like. Yes.
30:09
Cut through because you don't want to spoil that.
30:11
That was a good reveal. Yeah.
30:12
It's just like the doors breaking down in an old folks home.
30:16
Yeah. Like they're Vietnam, like trauma.
30:22
Yeah, that would.
30:26
Siphalus because it's an old folks home.
30:29
Yeah, it is rampant. Old folks.
30:31
Fuck. That's how they kill you the slow way.
30:34
They just come back and have sex with you.
30:38
Hopefully not parents having sex with their kids.
30:40
I was going to say that takes a weirder angle with this movie.
30:44
Well, we got to stay kind of close to the the core concept.
30:47
Oh, I was really wondering,
30:49
would this be an awesome way to find out you were adopted? Oh, yeah.
30:53
That like you just come home and like have a nice dinner
30:56
with your no longer parents and or not so parents.
31:02
It's like, oh, shit.
31:03
You know how everybody else is like killing?
31:05
Like if you never if you didn't know you were adopted,
31:07
how conflicted would you be if like you got home, your parents
31:10
aren't trying to kill you?
31:12
Yeah, I feel like I'd be pretty happy about not being dead, but
31:14
I'd have some feelings. Yeah.
31:16
I would be terrible, though, because like if you survive
31:20
and you're just out in the world, there's someone out there
31:21
who desperately wants to kill you.
31:23
Mm hmm. If they can find you.
31:25
And they might not even know why. Yeah.
31:28
So if you don't have a public job like Weatherman,
31:31
you just see a picture of somebody.
31:32
Why do I want to kill that person?
31:34
Really want to fuck that guy up?
31:36
That's just normal weatherman feeling.
31:39
I mean, there are definitely people like that out there.
31:41
Yeah, true enough.
31:43
Any final thoughts on this one?
31:45
It's a romp.
31:47
It's a romp.
31:51
A romp and a romp. Perfect. Mm hmm.
31:55
Mandy. Nice.
31:57
I like your new segues.
32:00
What's a segway?
32:03
Very clear.
32:05
I fucking love Mandy.
32:07
I'm just going to say that this movie is awesome.
32:10
It's terrific.
32:11
I actually know exactly what you were talking about.
32:14
And I watch it big screen
32:17
with like the the backlighting on the TV and all the lights off.
32:21
And oh, it's such a visual feast.
32:23
I fired up the volcano and I just got. Yeah.
32:26
Really into this movie.
32:28
Good.
32:29
And the scenes where like the cultist is like staring
32:33
and he's on drugs and I'm on drugs.
32:35
And we're just doing this together.
32:37
You're there. You're vibing.
32:38
He's fucking failing at a tuck and pose.
32:41
Just Buffalo Bill and all over my screen.
32:44
It's like nose shaped dick.
32:48
I just such a good movie.
32:52
I love the scene where he's like staring at you
32:54
and he's doing his little dance and the beams of the house
32:57
are like right behind his head to like be like beams
32:59
coming out of his life. Oh, yeah.
33:01
Just this movie is nice.
33:02
So well.
33:05
Yeah.
33:06
This movie will always remind me of like heavy metal.
33:10
Yeah, it's like a live action heavy metal.
33:13
Right down to like Mandy is kind of like a like a druid lady
33:18
and Nicolas Cage is a paladin who is out there like on his.
33:24
Making his act. Yeah.
33:26
So I'm glad you brought that up, because actually when I was
33:29
watching this, I was texting Sean because this movie like
33:32
it's grody to me.
33:33
Like I don't super love it.
33:35
I think it is a visual masterpiece, but I don't generally
33:39
love like the storyline, the grossness of it.
33:43
I was thinking like, fuck, I kind of wish this were like a really,
33:47
really intense animated movie, like something like that,
33:51
where you can just go fucking wild, take the same visual concepts,
33:55
but just like take it to that next level because of animation.
33:58
And that to me is kind of like where it hits the sweet spot for me.
34:02
This one, like watching Mandy's boring face, like pulsing in and out
34:07
for fucking an hour, like I'm not into it.
34:11
It just doesn't do it for me.
34:13
I love that slow build. I don't know why.
34:15
Yeah, nothing really happens.
34:16
You have to be in the right mind hour, but it just it goes and like.
34:20
I mean, things are happening. Yeah.
34:22
There's plot points hitting hard the whole time,
34:25
but he doesn't start killing people.
34:27
He doesn't fight back. Yeah.
34:29
The thing I noticed is, yeah, you have that hour
34:32
and then he goes gets the crossbow and the axe
34:35
and then you get the Mandy title card and then it's just him.
34:39
Yeah. Pick up.
34:40
And I'm like, you could start the movie here and it would still be amazing.
34:44
But I would have preferred that.
34:46
I love an hour of just the protagonist being just beaten down.
34:51
Oh, yeah. Physically and emotionally.
34:53
And like the audience is feeling shitty.
34:56
Yeah. And then it's like, finally, you get that moment of resistance
34:59
and fighting back and it's like, fuck, yeah, let's do this.
35:02
I'm here with you.
35:02
I'm not saying that's how you should do the movie.
35:04
I'm saying this could be a separate film and it still would. Sure.
35:08
Go hard. Yeah.
35:09
And I love to that even at that halfway mark, after he gets his weapons,
35:14
we feel like he's on his, you know, he's going to go fuck some people up.
35:18
He gets fucked up like immediately.
35:20
And it's like, OK, no, he's still not invincible.
35:22
Like still just a dude.
35:24
It's going to be a struggle. Yeah.
35:25
So and then he does all the drugs.
35:28
All of them.
35:29
He does set out on his crusade starting off by like slamming
35:33
half a bottle of vodka. That's true.
35:35
So it's no wonder that like his initial like endeavors fail.
35:40
Yeah. Man, I want some of that weird, like gross dark Vaseline.
35:44
The demon semen.
35:46
Give me some of that shit, man.
35:48
Like turns the world into a cartoon.
35:51
Yeah. Yeah. I want to fuck with that.
35:53
It gives you cool like Indiana Jones face melting skills. Right.
35:58
Have any of you watched Beyond the Black Rainbow?
36:01
No, I still need to see it.
36:03
I say that I'm going to about every three weeks and I still haven't done it.
36:07
I really want to watch it.
36:08
I watched the trailer for it and it was like right up against me
36:11
watching this movie and I was like, I'm not going to watch that right now.
36:15
Yeah, it's another like hugely visual. Yeah.
36:17
Yeah. Yeah. I actually thought it was the same DP, but it's a different guy.
36:21
So that was kind of shocking.
36:23
This DP, though, also did dream scenario, which was kind of interesting.
36:27
Fun fact. Yeah.
36:28
We should watch Beyond the Black Rainbow at some point. Yeah.
36:31
And the core and the core.
36:33
Brian, have you seen the core?
36:34
I love the core.
36:35
The core fucking rules.
36:36
The core is so good.
36:38
I have to watch this movie.
36:40
Oh, you've never seen it.
36:42
I've never seen the core. Sean's never seen it.
36:44
Oh, you know the premise, though. Yeah.
36:46
Yes. OK, good.
36:47
I showed him the orange being sprayed on fire.
36:51
So he gets it.
36:53
That's all you need to know.
36:55
Oh, I was working at Hollywood video in Chanhassen, Minnesota
36:59
when that movie came out.
37:01
And so when it came, we could rent it.
37:04
I was just like, wow, this this is quite a premise.
37:07
And what a cast, though.
37:09
I mean, it's incredible.
37:10
You got the tooch. Yeah.
37:13
Got a little so, you know, it's going to be big.
37:15
Absolutely. Aaron Eckhart.
37:17
Everything he touches is gold.
37:19
Yeah. I think Hillary Swank thought she was going to get a third.
37:22
Probably. Oh, my God. Yeah.
37:25
That was just for us.
37:25
T.J. Qualls, everybody.
37:27
They got everybody.
37:28
All those.
37:30
Dude, I ran into T.J. Qualls recently.
37:34
Really? Yeah, he was.
37:36
Well, he was at a bar, I think, in Sherman Oaks
37:39
and doing like karaoke.
37:42
Cool. Fuck. Yeah.
37:43
He wasn't participating, but he was there with some friends and was like, oh, wow.
37:48
Yeah, I think he's great and everything.
37:50
Yeah. And T.J. Qualls is one of those celebrities that like,
37:53
you don't see that guy out and you're like, maybe that's T.J. Qualls. Right. No, no.
38:00
He's got a face.
38:01
He sure does. And he's tall, too, right?
38:04
Yes. Taller than me. Five eight.
38:05
So he's at least five, nine, five, ten.
38:09
Well, one thought I had watching this film,
38:12
Peter and I were kind of texting about it because Peter was like,
38:15
this isn't for me and I'm just on a fucking ride.
38:19
And I'm just like, all right, how can I describe
38:21
this film in a way that really like maybe it'll get it across?
38:24
The first thing is I love weird cosmic horror.
38:27
I'm not a big I'm not a big fan of gore unless it's like
38:32
evil, dead, hyperviolence.
38:34
It's where it goes from the point of like, I'm uncomfortable with.
38:37
The amount of blood.
38:38
You know, that looks too real to just like it's so stupidly over the top.
38:43
I'm like, that can never happen.
38:45
Yeah. And this movie rides more of the gross line for me, but I'm here for it.
38:50
And I think it's because it's starting to start to get into that weird.
38:54
Maybe demons, maybe, you know, looking past the veil
38:58
and him becoming like mad, which is just my jam for horror.
39:04
And the other thought I had was
39:07
this is kind of a weird dissection of like the slasher film.
39:11
Mm hmm. You have the hippies who are all into drugs and bad things
39:15
and they have to be punished and the monster is just one they created.
39:19
Yeah. And all the classics acts chainsaw crossbow chainsaw fights.
39:25
So good.
39:27
It felt to me like it was a giant Dungeons and Dragons campaign.
39:31
Oh, yeah. This is just people making this story up as they go.
39:36
And they're like, and then blood spewed everywhere, man.
39:40
And he chopped his guy's head off and he got in the car and there was flame.
39:44
And there was tigers.
39:45
And then like their faces melted.
39:47
Like, yeah, I think for me, violence, when it's merited,
39:52
I don't, you know, depending on what you're trying to get at, like saw to me,
39:56
I think the first one was important for the genre.
40:00
But now that we're on like 13 or 14 or whatever,
40:04
I think it's kind of jumped the shark and and even, you know, but like this,
40:10
it is over the top, but it feels within the world of the art that it's created.
40:14
Like, you know, it doesn't feel for me gratuitous.
40:17
It just feels that it's visually like, yes, you need to be covered in blood
40:22
so the red lights can bounce off of your red skin.
40:24
And we get this stunning visual and in the whites of your eyes pop.
40:29
So we really see that Nicholas Cage crazy.
40:32
Like that one look he does after he snaps the neck of the one drug dealer.
40:38
It's bug eyed. I was like, that is classic Nick Cage.
40:41
Yeah. Yeah.
40:42
How does the saw film have a shark trap yet?
40:45
A shark trap? Like, have they like have they done a shark in a saw film?
40:49
Have they jumped the shark actually?
40:51
Like is the way to get out of the danger to jump over a shark?
40:55
Yeah, I hope so. I don't think so.
40:57
I don't not yet. OK, I have this rock.
41:00
Yeah, I have to ask you about one of my favorite horror sequels.
41:04
And I don't. Yes. I don't watch a lot of horror movies.
41:06
I've seen it after I've said how many I watch.
41:09
I do. I know already what this is going to be.
41:11
So human centipede, too.
41:14
Oh, wow. I've seen the trilogy. Yes.
41:17
OK, I have not seen the third one, but you don't need to.
41:21
I didn't think I needed to after I watched the second one,
41:24
because it it truly had peaked at that point.
41:26
Oh, God. In like super meta and just like
41:32
the results seem obvious from the get go.
41:36
He's a security guard.
41:37
He stapled mouths to buttholes.
41:39
People are dying, obviously.
41:41
Yeah. Yeah.
41:46
Oh, what a great movie review.
41:49
It gives you what you want.
41:50
You've gotten a lot better at succinctly like breaking down a film.
41:56
But that ending that and like that's again another baby.
42:01
And like it that's fucked up.
42:03
Like that's to me. I was like too much, too much.
42:07
We really did. But in this, you know, in that universe, there isn't too much.
42:11
I guess, you know, it's actually now that I think about it,
42:14
I'm surprised number four hasn't randomly been like.
42:18
Tease that it's coming because it's been a while since three came out.
42:22
Yeah, the people need more human centipede.
42:24
Bigger, longer. It's pretty.
42:27
Oh, God. I mean, a pediar.
42:31
On some number two, actually, like I do like it as a sequel,
42:35
as in how do you do a follow up to the first one?
42:38
Like, I think it's an interesting meta storyline.
42:41
Involving the security guard,
42:44
which I think is, you know, pretty smart on his end.
42:47
But Tom, it was Tom Six.
42:50
Yeah, it just gets twisted from there.
42:52
Well, the human centipede movie gets twisted, guys.
42:55
Oh, God. You know what number three is about? I don't.
43:00
My succinct summary of it.
43:03
No, it's in a men's prison at a correctional facility.
43:09
Oh, yeah. And a warden decides to.
43:13
Put the practice.
43:15
I bet the scenes in the exercise yard were so good.
43:19
Oh, it's definitely the longest human centipede.
43:24
Oh, hell, yeah. The human.
43:26
Like, yeah, I think that's what actually I think that might be part of it.
43:30
I think he tried to get like 100.
43:31
I think that was a goal. OK, guys.
43:33
All right. Human centipede for apparently the mindset for this is just
43:38
my new job. So goodbye.
43:41
Hey, electrician.
43:43
Hello, centipede.
43:45
Even if it doesn't get made, as long as you sell it for real,
43:47
this is going to be a field of dreams.
43:49
If you build it, they will come.
43:50
So, guys, I'm glad you're here.
43:53
I brought some tape and a safe.
43:54
What are you doing now? Yeah.
43:57
You heard it here first.
43:58
One of our friends went to college with somebody who wrote like Sharknado
44:03
or like a lot of versus something and just like makes residuals off of that.
44:08
All the time. That's incredible.
44:09
That's the American dream.
44:11
Passing income like that. Absolutely.
44:13
Every once every once every year, you just get a check for like, right.
44:17
No reason. It's like, well, I did that.
44:19
And that's actually one thing I've learned since moving to L.A.
44:22
is just having to just be less precious about needing to actually write
44:26
anything to completion.
44:28
You can just sell a tornadoes with sharks.
44:32
I don't do anything to completion.
44:33
That's that's called edging.
44:36
You need to get elevator.
44:37
OK, you all know my beef with Sharknado.
44:41
I don't I don't recall your beef with Sharknado is it.
44:44
Tara Reed. Like so meteor, a lot.
44:47
Me meteor meteorologically sound college classes was call
44:52
was a bad science at the movies.
44:55
And it was just about that sounds cool.
44:57
We watched art school. I went to art college
45:01
where we watched.
45:02
We watched if you couldn't tell science fiction films.
45:05
And our teacher, who was like a geologist, would just pause the movie
45:09
and just rant at us about how none of the science made sense.
45:12
It was a hoot. Oh, you're going to fucking love the core.
45:17
I'm surprised we never watched the core.
45:19
Also, you know what?
45:20
We might have because we didn't actually watch the full movie.
45:22
She would just skip around to scenes to yell at us about the science.
45:26
But the final year was your college accredited.
45:29
Yes. How?
45:32
Art school, I can credit something.
45:33
Yeah. So our final project was to make to pitch our own bad science movie.
45:41
And New York had just had that hurricane and the city was flooded.
45:44
So I came up with Gator Kane.
45:47
Gator a movie about a hurricane hitting New York,
45:50
getting all the gators out and going to town two years later.
45:53
Sharknado is a thing.
45:54
I mean, you could probably still push Gator Kane.
45:57
You could sell that easy.
46:00
Not after this podcast, because someone else is going to do it
46:02
before my lazy ass does.
46:03
Yeah, it's Nick.
46:04
No, I'm balls deep in human centipede for.
46:10
I've been actually working of a script like a quick outline.
46:15
As I was talking. Yeah.
46:17
Man has podcast decides to centipede goes too far.
46:23
That's a good three act. Yeah.
46:26
That's what I was signing my NDA for.
46:29
Goes too far.
46:32
Goes too far. So with Mandy, like what's what's your favorite part from this movie?
46:36
Like each of you just go for it.
46:38
The chainsaw fights pretty bad ass.
46:40
Chainsaw fights really cool.
46:43
I just the whole thing is such just a visual treat and it just.
46:48
It turns into a cartoon at times.
46:52
Yeah, just all of it. Yeah.
46:55
That's what I mean. I meant literally a cartoon
46:57
and the animation looks very much like heavy metal.
46:59
Mm hmm. I think that's what really gets me is like the structure of it
47:04
is my favorite part. I know that's not like a scene.
47:07
Still a thing to like about a movie. Yeah. Yeah.
47:10
Yeah. The wall of color.
47:13
Yeah. Just constant like saturation.
47:16
I'm having a hard time picking one thing that I like about it
47:18
because I love all of it.
47:20
Yeah, I agree.
47:21
Why don't you prime us?
47:23
Give us yours and we'll steal it.
47:24
We'll edit you out and say this was my favorite part.
47:26
Good thing we have an individual track for you.
47:28
Oh, I think it's it's just so beautiful.
47:33
I mean, it just you do have to be in the right mindset.
47:36
Like if you're looking for something fast and fun and furious, it's not this.
47:41
Like you do have to settle into a world.
47:45
And again, like we were saying, I think it helps when you set your own atmosphere.
47:50
But once you're there, man, oh, my God, like it's like a it's
47:55
it's almost like you're on a psychedelic with them.
47:59
Yeah. And because it's just the visual is such a feast all the time.
48:04
And it's just and it just seems so classic of a story, you know,
48:09
bad people come in, kill your wife.
48:12
It's like Gladiator, but on like shrooms.
48:15
They want your wife. She laughs at their penis.
48:18
Yeah. Murder ensues.
48:20
I like they don't even just kill her.
48:21
They fucking burn her in a sleeping bag.
48:24
Yeah. And in front of him. Oh, I love how once she starts laughing
48:28
at him, his first reaction is just starting masturbating frantically.
48:32
So yes, that's OK.
48:33
Well, he's a grower, not a shower.
48:35
There's a couple of scenes that really stand out.
48:37
He was a shower.
48:38
I love Cheddar Goblin.
48:40
Cheddar, yes, Cheddar Goblin.
48:43
And I love the Jeremiah sound sand song.
48:47
It's so fucking mad and it's incredible.
48:50
Do do do do do do do do.
48:55
So your favorite parts are the comedy parts that take you out of the movie,
48:58
which is fine, because I think they're there to add a little bit of like
49:02
leavening to like give you an emotional break from.
49:07
Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's to remind you that it's like
49:10
all the violence that's about to come.
49:12
It's OK. Well, even beyond that, it's a real comedy.
49:14
There's there's like snapshots of violence that stand out, too.
49:17
It's like the dude, the fucking mouth breathing window rolling up and down.
49:21
Oh, my God. Taking the axe to the dome.
49:24
Like the visual of that is really like impressive.
49:27
Like I love that his death is just as funny as his life.
49:32
Like I love him just playing with the windows
49:36
and like the obvious irritation that Brother Swan has with it all.
49:40
And then like when he's dying, he's just like drying off his car after he washes it.
49:45
And then he gets like a non fight.
49:49
Yeah, it's just the axe comes out of the air and kills him.
49:52
And that's it. That's all inherited.
49:55
Yep. I love it. I love all of it. I can't.
49:57
Yeah, I think my favorite part might be the allowances
50:01
for the supernatural in this world. Yeah.
50:04
Yeah. Of the little demon ocarina.
50:07
I love the horn of a brexus.
50:10
Yeah. Ocarina of Grime.
50:12
Oh, all right. That's pretty good.
50:15
The cool little like dagger.
50:18
And I love that these supernatural like artifacts
50:22
have a cool strobing green light when you present them.
50:25
Yes. It's I mean, it's so like weird.
50:28
So much attention to detail.
50:30
Yeah. But it's like this is part of the world.
50:34
It's like, did you bring the horn of a brexus?
50:36
Oh, I did bring the horn of a brexus.
50:39
Also, I also love a galactic shout out shout out in anything.
50:42
Oh, yeah. So in the again, in the matrix of a good movie,
50:47
good cage, bad movie, bad cage, good, bad, bad, good.
50:50
Where do you slot Mandy and Nick Cage?
50:53
Good movie. Good.
50:55
Nicholas Cage. Great movie.
50:58
Even. Yeah, I'm right there with you.
51:01
Like his performance in this is he doesn't say a lot,
51:05
but he does a lot with that.
51:09
Him chugging bathroom vodka in his tighty whitey's
51:12
and that awesome tiger shirt.
51:13
Yeah. His emotions are like out there.
51:17
I got permission to have a life size replica of the axe
51:20
to put above my Nicholas Cage blu ray collection.
51:23
So we're it's only three hundred dollars.
51:26
So oh, that's nothing.
51:28
I know. So I looked it up immediately.
51:31
Oh, my God. Yes. Get it. I support that.
51:34
Nick and I have discussed at the end of this getting
51:36
we have to get like commemorative tattoos from something
51:40
Nick Cage related, and I think I'm going to get the axe.
51:42
Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm still pushing the fake teeth from Vampire's Kiss.
51:49
That's a great one. That's also really good.
51:51
All right. So, Nick, what do you think?
51:53
I think this is an outstanding movie and a terrific performance.
51:59
I think everything that he brings
52:02
in lieu of like a vocal performance, like all of his just like
52:07
super on point reactions and emotions are just they blow me away.
52:12
Like the way he connected, like Panos must have done
52:17
just a terrific job communicating with Cage about what he wanted
52:22
the role to be because it just gets me.
52:26
It's terrific.
52:27
Even the scenes that are like purely Nicholas Cage, like in the car
52:30
when he's covered in gore and he's just like staring over.
52:33
And it's like, that's do you think it's the acid scene from?
52:41
I'm very away to massive talent is a little link to that.
52:44
The back and forth.
52:46
It's a very specific shot. I'd like to think it is.
52:48
I like, oh, just the camera shot. Yeah.
52:52
Yeah, I could see that.
52:54
I could see it also as like there's only so many ways
52:59
to film an interaction between two people in the front of a car.
53:02
That's fair. We've seen Drive Angry. Yeah.
53:05
OK, so I've turned the corner on this movie overall.
53:08
I do think that it is probably a great, great.
53:10
I do think that I don't like it.
53:13
There is fine. Yeah.
53:15
Like, I don't think it's for me, but I do respect it for the art of it,
53:20
for the insanity of it, for the performance of it.
53:23
How did you view it sitting alone in a chair in my living room
53:27
with the lights on on a laptop? So Peter made every choice.
53:34
I have watched it in a more cinematic way before.
53:36
The first time I watched it was a little more cinematic and it still didn't
53:40
tickle me. But you know, fair, fair.
53:43
That's a good point, though.
53:44
I mean, I think so part of the experience for me in this round
53:48
to that we're in, we're in 32 down to 16.
53:52
Watching it with people, watching movies with people
53:55
enhances my experience of it.
53:57
I think that I gain more from having that live interaction
54:01
of laughing at some absurdist shit in Mom and Dad or
54:06
marveling at a visual freeze frame from Mandy, you know, that it's
54:11
much more fun for me to watch it with someone.
54:14
So next time we'll provide a film party for you.
54:18
And that's a beautiful pitch for why we should go to the theaters.
54:22
I like to read Peter, if you were lonely, you can just tell us.
54:28
You don't have to like, oh, it took me 43 episodes to say it.
54:33
I'm lonely.
54:35
You know, to pretend you don't like good movies.
54:38
I don't know if I get this one, guys.
54:40
Can you just come over and like with me?
54:43
Yeah, you had your choice.
54:46
So you had a child. OK, so I am part of the sad lads.
54:49
I sort of asked and answered, but, you know, one movie
54:54
advances in our bracket ology style.
54:57
One movie must fall.
54:58
So Brian, as the guest, you get to go first, but your opinion doesn't matter.
55:03
So you can say whatever the fuck you want.
55:06
Well, I do think in this instance, I will probably
55:10
end up agreeing with the hosts and the producer.
55:14
I think it's Mandy that should move on.
55:16
But I'm glad to know that mom and dad made it this far
55:21
because it is definitely above the halfway mark of.
55:25
I would agree with that.
55:27
It's an opinion outside of like.
55:31
Adaptation, I can't think of outside of adaptation.
55:35
I can't think of anything that hasn't gone past the first round
55:37
that I would have like put this behind Primal.
55:40
No, Primal so good.
55:42
No, you're you're sleeping on Primal.
55:44
I think you watched it on the wrong day.
55:46
I watched it twice in both times.
55:48
I could not.
55:49
That was back when you were still drinking, though.
55:52
It's fair.
55:52
You got to watch it now when you can actually enjoy it.
55:55
I said I'd sit down and watch it with you.
55:57
I know it's going to be good.
55:59
I'm planning the whole event.
56:01
There's going to be like sparkling cider
56:05
and rose petals and a staple gun.
56:10
Yeah. And some duct tape.
56:11
Just bring your butthole.
56:12
Yeah, that's all you got to bring.
56:15
The prologue to human time.
56:17
Before.
56:19
So yeah, Mandy, I think I'm I'm full Mandy.
56:23
Yeah, I've got a full Mandy right now.
56:27
Well, Mandy.
56:29
Yeah, so next episode, we've got
56:31
Conair and Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance
56:35
and special guest Chris Cofell of film school rejects.
56:39
So that'll be a fun one. Fun.
56:41
Yeah. Good times.
56:43
Brian, thank you for being here.
56:45
Yeah, this is really nice.
56:46
Have you? Yeah, this is great.
56:47
If you are interested in being on the slicks, teen,
56:51
which is the next part of the bracket, let us know.
56:55
Obviously, it only gets sexier from here.
56:59
Yes, I love it.
57:01
Oh, did we settle on final four?
57:03
Scum? Yeah. Yeah. OK.
57:08
And then I don't know what the championship is going to be.
57:10
And then just boring ass normal sex.
57:13
Missionary face to face, looking at each other and really feeling it.
57:18
Oh, God. Lights on.
57:20
It's going to be a weird blow job from Joe.
57:25
What's your favorite color? OK.
57:28
I gotta go.
57:29
Yeah, Brian, anything that you want to promote pitch.
57:32
Shout out.
57:33
I'm in this weird karaoke competition thing, but it's karaoke knockout.
57:38
I thought I was signing up for literally a one night type of thing.
57:42
Turns out it's a two month engagement.
57:45
And still just one paycheck.
57:47
Oh, yeah.
57:48
And you have to make it through all these rounds.
57:51
And it's basically a giant popularity contest.
57:53
But I've been very fortunate to have good friends and good supporters
57:58
have gotten me through what I believe will be this first major cut
58:02
through the group round.
58:03
I mean, we've gone to the semifinals, but all of the votes reset.
58:07
So but so what does it get me?
58:10
Ten thousand dollars.
58:11
If I make it all the way to the end, I sing in L.A.
58:15
for some karaoke.
58:17
And I will use that money to film a documentary in South Korea
58:21
with two of my friends who the three of us were Korean adoptees.
58:26
And coincidentally, this year's
58:29
karaoke competition is benefiting an adoption organization.
58:34
Help us adopt.org.
58:35
So it seems the universe is putting everything in alignment for me.
58:40
It also feels that this is my year of reality competition winning.
58:45
So I think.
58:49
It's just going to happen, you know, manifest that the secret.
58:51
So karaoke knockout dot org
58:55
or slash Brian hyphen Kim hyphen McCormick.
59:01
I think that's how you get to me.
59:02
I'm not sure.
59:03
Peter, if I didn't, I apologize.
59:05
But if you know, we'll figure it out.
59:08
Yes, thank you. I appreciate it.
59:10
But yeah, that's the pitch.
59:11
Just yeah, just realized Brian and I probably Brian
59:14
and I would have survived mom and dad.
59:17
Oh, yeah, there you go.
59:18
Oh, I would have definitely.
59:19
Unless Jackie Chan, this you might have to cut, but I don't know.
59:23
Jackie Chan is potentially my father.
59:26
So, you know, he I don't know that I'd want him trying to come
59:30
off after and try to kill me.
59:31
But hold on.
59:32
Is that something your mom told you like growing up?
59:35
Like Jackie Chan was your father?
59:37
A long story made short.
59:41
Take as much time as you want on this.
59:43
Oh, great.
59:44
Well, I I I was a Korean adoptee.
59:48
I came out of Seoul.
59:49
I came here at three months old and my whole life.
59:52
I just associated being Korean.
59:54
But many, many, many people have said that I look like Jackie Chan,
59:58
including white, Asian, all people.
1:00:01
I've been chased down streets.
1:00:02
I've been chased at casinos.
1:00:04
I've been asked for autographs.
1:00:06
I've been asked to take pictures.
1:00:07
It's just been there my whole life.
1:00:08
And then I was working as an accountant in New York
1:00:12
as one of my survival jobs.
1:00:14
And in that pool was a Chinese woman who told me that Jackie Chan
1:00:18
had been like in love with the South Korean woman for like almost a decade.
1:00:23
But felt like he couldn't marry her because he wasn't.
1:00:28
You know, they were living in two different countries.
1:00:30
He was poor. He wasn't famous yet.
1:00:31
So and it was like right around the same time that I was magically born.
1:00:37
And then so he wrote a memoir and he
1:00:42
I was going to wait for his autograph at the Barnes and Noble in Union Square.
1:00:48
And I was going to grab his water bottle and I was going to run out the store.
1:00:52
Problem is with that store, though, is this book signing is up on like the third floor
1:00:55
and the only way to do it is escalators.
1:00:57
You got to Jackie Chan your way out of. Yeah, Jackie.
1:01:00
I would have jacked my way out of it.
1:01:02
So the problem is, then you got Jackie Chan, Jackie Chan and after you.
1:01:05
Oh, yeah. God, right.
1:01:07
And then you got him coming.
1:01:08
But he ended up canceling his session because I believe his wife
1:01:13
found out about all of the women he slept with through the memoir.
1:01:17
I don't think he privy to that.
1:01:21
At least that's what my brain reminds me.
1:01:23
Who am I forgetting to tell about all the illicit affairs?
1:01:27
Well, it didn't have to be affairs.
1:01:29
I mean, it could have been before. Right.
1:01:30
Before marriage. That's true. That's true.
1:01:33
Who marries like an international film star and says
1:01:37
he probably kept it in his pants.
1:01:42
But and then I did a DNA test and it came back that I have
1:01:47
like 40 something Korean, 30 something Chinese.
1:01:51
And the rest is Japanese.
1:01:53
You hear that, Jackie Chan? Right. It's possible.
1:01:56
But so, yeah, that's the story about my potentially famous.
1:01:59
I fucking love that. That is a terrific story.
1:02:02
That was better than my
1:02:04
lazy attempt at making another dead parent joke. Yeah.
1:02:08
So thank you for that.
1:02:09
Yeah, you can. You're welcome.
1:02:10
You can beat that dead horse the day you die.
1:02:14
Terrible.
1:02:16
That's a good episode.
1:02:17
I enjoyed myself.
1:02:18
Well, I will definitely vote for you so long as you do not sing sweet Caroline.
1:02:22
The moment you sing sweet Caroline, votes are out the door.
1:02:25
Great. I will not. Thank you.
1:02:27
So no worries on that.
1:02:28
I will only vote for you if you sing sweet Caroline.
1:02:30
So it's a net neutral. You still got my vote.
1:02:33
OK, thank you. There we go. Plus one.
1:02:35
There we go. All right.
1:02:37
Well, thank you all for listening, Brian.
1:02:39
Thank you for being here.
1:02:40
Thanks for having me.
1:02:41
You guys can find us on social media.
1:02:42
Cage match pod cage underscore match underscore pod.
1:02:45
You'll find us one way or the other.
1:02:48
You can. Has Nick found you yet?
1:02:50
He's right here. No.
1:02:51
Nick, the Nicholas.
1:02:53
Oh, sorry. Yeah.
1:02:56
He's got better things to do.
1:02:57
No, he he doesn't seem to really do a lot of interaction with online
1:03:02
with his anything like brand.
1:03:04
That's unfortunate. It is.
1:03:06
It's kind of too bad.
1:03:06
I mean, it'd be really fun to be able to play into that.
1:03:09
No, we're just going to continue trying to stalk him through bars
1:03:12
and stuff we know he goes to.
1:03:13
Yeah, exactly.
1:03:15
We're going to find him. Yeah.
1:03:17
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1:03:18
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1:03:34
And we do have a signal chat now for the cage dancers.
1:03:39
We got to just move to this part.
1:03:41
Everybody discards. We should discord.
1:03:43
We'll discord discord.
1:03:45
I do want to just also keep this kind of meta narrative going
1:03:49
where last time I shouted out Nathan for joining that exclusive club
1:03:53
of friends who text me things I say on my own podcast.
1:03:56
And this week I get a text from Nathan.
1:03:59
Sean, Nathan has joined the exclusive club of someone
1:04:02
who randomly messaged me quotes from our podcast.
1:04:04
So, yeah, double dip on that one, Nathan.
1:04:09
Love you, buddy. Bye bye.
1:04:11
Oh, my.
1:04:22
Good Galactus work.
1:04:24
I love Galactus big war guy.
1:04:28
Yeah, actually.
1:04:29
Who were you describing?
1:04:30
Were you describing for John? Yeah.
1:04:32
OK. Yeah. Last episode, we were trying to explain for to everyone.
1:04:36
Brian, are you familiar with war?
1:04:39
Uh, people being eaten.
1:04:41
Yeah. But eaten whole is the big part of it.
1:04:43
Eating whole. Oh, I didn't know there was that specification.
1:04:46
Which makes it entirely impossible. So. Yeah.
1:04:50
It's a really dumb fetish.
1:04:53
That's going to be the twist at the end of Human Centipede four.
1:04:57
The ass eats everybody else. Human Centipede four.
1:05:00
The most ass eating you can legally put in a rated NC 17 movie.
1:05:06
I think they're going to draw a line with how much ass eating I put in this movie.
1:05:10
You're going to have to have debates with them and they're like,
1:05:12
take one ass eating out. Just one.
1:05:15
You're like, no, it's my art.
1:05:17
I can't do it.
1:05:18
Each and every one of them is important to my story.
1:05:21
That's right.
1:05:22
This is my lived experience.
1:05:25
You are a millennial.
1:05:27
You will not silence me.