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Mannequin (1987) · Camp Classics

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  Get away from her you bitch. Classic.
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  He was in the Amazon cry along when she was researching spiders
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  right before she died. No, I thought you could go
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  prostitute or go get it. I.
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  Used to love doggy chow. I used to love doggy chow too.
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  Tonight we nail that fart blossom.
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  I'm Crystal. Wow.
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  And we can build this dream together, standing strong
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  forever. Nothing's going to stop us now.
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  And if this world runs out of lovers, we'll still have each
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  other. Nothing's going to stop us now.
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  Oh whoa, I'm baby lame. Are you sure nothing's going to
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  stop us? You sound a little croaky.
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  Oh bitch, I am dying. Good Morning, America.
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  Do you know what I am? Going to stop us now.
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  This was the first time in my life I was thinking the other
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  day, I've been ill for a couple of days and yesterday I was in
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  bed ill and I was thinking, wow, I'm actually just delaying death
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  now. That's what illness is for me.
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  That's like, rather than, well, I just feel like when you're a
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  bit younger, you're just like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm ill, you
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  know, you get over it and I'm like, oh, no, no, I'm just, this
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  could be it. Yeah, this is basically it's
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  just like I'm just delaying it and the inevitable is is gonna
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  hit me soon. Right.
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  You're like, this is what death will feel like when it comes.
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  Yeah. And it's just around that and.
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  I'm putting it off a bit longer, but ultimately death is
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  happening, so we're. All heading into that big wood
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  chipper, welcome to Camp Classics.
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  Podcasts about stupid movies. Every two weeks we take a weird
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  old movie and try and figure out why the hell gay people like it.
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  Yeah, that's it really. All in search of the campus of
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  Camp Classics baby. Today I'm standing on business.
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  Oh God, yeah, I feel stressed. So when?
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  We've got so much business to get there.
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  There's. Always so much.
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  Well, we're in the right place. Like we're in the Camp Classics
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  HQ. Canary Wharf, I.
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  Can't believe I just said HQ like that.
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  When was that time we saw each other?
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  It's been 84 years, quite a while ago.
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  Like it's been 84 years. I've got a beard now.
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  I know what's happened I. Don't know.
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  I don't know. How was Brazil?
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  Great, I'm I'm riddled also. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in the good
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  way. In all the ways, actually, yeah.
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  Good, bad. It's coming out of me like lava.
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  What are your top three favorite things about Brazil?
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  Oh gosh, caprinias. Like a cartoon Basic.
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  What am I supposed to say? The sun?
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  Ipanema beach? Brazilian butts?
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  How about that? Yeah, OK.
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  I think yeah, they. Really know how to do a a a
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  booty. Well, if you follow Crystal on
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  socials, you'll see that she was wearing quite some fetching
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  bejeweled bikinis as well. Cultural appropriation or
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  appreciate appreciation? What do Brazilians own?
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  Bejeweled bikinis. Yes they do.
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  Yes, they do do Brazilians. Own a thong baby.
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  Yeah, I think it was just so fucking good.
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  I highly recommend it. They said come to Brazil and
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  they were right. But didn't you say as well that
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  like literally it's just you saw you bumped into loads of Oh my
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  God, it's. Just East London on on on sea.
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  So many like, oh, hey, oh, hi. That's not the way it's meant to
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  be. I know, I know.
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  It's just gays. We've got no, we've got no
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  originality. What could you say someone
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  compared it to? I found that.
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  Oh, cancer. Yeah, they said gays are a
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  cancer. And like, you know, a few cells
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  arrive and then they just start multiplying.
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  And before you know it, you're just seeing the same familiar
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  tired old druggy faces at every party around the world.
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  Gay, Right? And you know what?
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  I love that for us. Yeah.
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  Oh, that's like we're just. Going around ruining things that
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  have, you know, like burning men that.
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  Have ruined us that have ruined us.
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  It's time for revenge. We talk about this a lot on the
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  podcast. Burn it all to the ground, No.
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  More gay pride, just gay revenge.
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  But yeah, me too. Yeah, also, this is going to be
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  gross to listen to. So sorry everyone.
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  Sorry for the sniffles. Hacking up leaks.
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  It's not anatomy. Like what?
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  At least you've got an amazing film to talk about.
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  Today isn't going to be a hard one.
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  We can not get there yet. We've got so much business to
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  get through. Firstly, as you may have heard
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  in our last episode where I teased, we are doing a live
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  event at the BFI. That sounds really good, I'm not
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  going to lie. It's like.
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  And it's sold out. And as part of What Flag
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  Festival, which is the UK's most recognized LGBTQ plus Film
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  Festival 40 years in? No big deal.
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  And it's sold. Out you know what?
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  And they said we need camp classics.
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  They did. They said we you know what?
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  This festival's missing camp. Yeah, a bit of camp.
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  They were like, we are like such a recognized huge prestigious
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  LGBTQ plus event. We need to find someone not
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  established small. We could have brought anyone
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  into this show. Paula Abdul, Janet Jackson, We
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  wanted Know me. We could have brought anyone
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  into this show. Yeah, and here we are.
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  I know. I'm excited for it and we've got
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  some guests as well. We do, yeah.
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  And it's, we'd love to invite you, but it's sold out.
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  It's sold out. It's sold out in seconds.
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  Seconds. That just sounds so great and I
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  I message you, but no, I still sit on my humble like life
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  because on that sense you've got that.
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  And then another event I'm doing is hold sold like 10 tickets.
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  So I just love. It's just life, isn't it?
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  The balance of life. Got to keep you humble.
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  How dare you be successful at anything, you're a worthless
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  piece of shit. Listen, I only, I only say that
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  to you off my cup, give you a bit of enthusiasm for the
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  episode. You're not supposed to take it
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  to heart. Sorry.
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  But yeah, it should be good. We're doing that at the end of
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  March. I guess we're going to try to
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  record it, so maybe we'll release it.
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  If I guess we need to work out what we're doing as well, that's
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  the other thing, we haven't actually worked out what this
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  live event consists of so lol. Yeah, but that's very good bit
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  of pressure. Also, we've had lots of new
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  only reading the UK comments and there's all kinds of comments
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  from around the world. As we know, no one in the UK
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  listens to this podcast anyway. Yeah, so there were loads of
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  comments from the US So if you've been listening in the US
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  I didn't see them. No.
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  Well, what? Ask them.
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  Yeah, but I've got this one to read.
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  This is AJ. OK?
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  I love this podcast so much. It strikes the exact right
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  all excellent or have at least made for good shows.
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  insane. And we of that.
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  Also, I've been so many episodes in the last few days that I
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  dreamed about meeting Baby and Crystal at a party and I feel
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  duty bound to apologize to Crystal for how terribly my
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  subconscious styled your hair in the dream.
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  Very Richard Simmons for some reason.
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  So we are now, we are now infiltrating our listeners
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  dreams. What kind of dream was it?
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  I wanted to think it would be like a wet dream, but I think it
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  might be like a night terror. Well, if it was if I looked like
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  Richard Simmons, it was definitely sexy.
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  Anyway, thank you, AJ. That's nice.
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  And there's a bunch more and maybe I'll read some of the next
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  read another one. I don't have any more.
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  Oh, here there's. So many.
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  There are more, but I didn't write them down.
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  Oh OK, we've got more suggestions for the suggestion
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  back with the comeback. Yes.
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  You don't watch the comeback, do you?
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  Oh, we've had this conversation. I keep trying to watch it, it
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  Season what? No, but.
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  that film? I haven't seen that.
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  So one of the most intense people in the world?
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  Oh, oh, someone's doing something with John Waters.
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  Legend. I don't know if you've seen the
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  I just, like, signed away my likeness to you, yeah.
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  I think that's all the business. We did it.
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  That wasn't so bad. God.
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  Baby though, before we get into today's movie, what makes a camp
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  classic? We want something that unlocks
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  queer joy. I want to get a tingle all over
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  my body in every single hole and I want to tremor with joy.
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  It needs to be stupid. It needs to have an ongoing
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  legacy and something that informs queer pop culture.
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  It needs to be anti mainstream underdog prop vibes that has
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  been reclaimed by the F slurs God damn it.
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  And this F slur is wondering what movie we're covering today.
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  It's mannequin suggested by Jade.
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  This is a suggestion sack pick. What is your history?
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  With mannequin regret the suggestion sack straight away.
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  What's your history with Mannequin?
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  Well, as like a young gay, I loved it.
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  I haven't seen it for a very, very long time, but yeah, it was
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  one of those sort of like comfort films as a it was always
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  on TV. Like obviously everyone knew the
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  song. Like I think it's sort of
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  aligned with Playing with Dolls as well, because obviously she's
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  the mannequin and she's got different outfits and it's not
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  that deep, but could. You play with dolls.
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  I've hate dolls all the time until I wasn't allowed to at
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  school. Mrs. Skinner stopped me from
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  playing with dolls. Would be Mrs. Skinner.
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  Yeah. And she like, yeah, made me go
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  and play with the boys. It was fucking horrible.
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  Isn't that sad? Oh, I'm sorry, that is actually.
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  Really sad. I'm not even another sad thing
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  as well. Like I remember I used to love
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  wearing some like green lame leggings as hair as like a wig
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  and I'd always wear these like green leggings on my head about
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  this and then also like and I was forced to not wear those as
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  a wig anymore. You get back in, you're just
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  like, fucking hell, this country and what they do to little queer
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  kids, I think. That still happens.
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  I feel like maybe that doesn't anymore, although it might be.
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  Rewarding, Yeah, but. Yeah.
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  But sad, sad, sad memories. It's sort of linked.
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  This film sort of links to my childhood tragedy about being,
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  you know, a struggling queer kid.
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  And so, you know, it's actually really interesting that you
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  asked me to talk about this because it's like, you know, I'm
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  looking at this from like a camp sort of adjacent place now, but
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  also I'm linking it back to like a childhood.
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  You only have edit control though.
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  Right. I'm just like, as I'm feeling
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  ill, I'm dragging everyone down with me on this episode.
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  What about you, Crystal? What's your relationship with
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  this movie? I can't really remember, I've
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  seen it before. I watched it again this week and
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  it wasn't what I remembered. Hey.
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  Do you want to play a quick game or something?
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  Oh sure, It's like a really really like non creative game,
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  but who's better, Sarah Jessica Parker or Kim Cattrall?
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  Wow, actually. Because it's like, obviously
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  they can't be. You can't.
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  You can't see Kim Cattrall without thinking of her enemy,
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  Sarah Jessica Parker. So I just want you.
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  I just want to know. Who's no, I like I like building
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  them both up so that they're both at peak power to really
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  continue this battle. I want it to just I want them to
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  be sparring forever. They're like he man and
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  Skeletor. They're opposites.
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  You too. Well, obviously Sarah Jessica
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  Parker with her Wiz and Tans is Skeletor.
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  Oh dear. You know that's why people say
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  I've got Wiz and Tans, right? Because of Sarah Jessica Parker.
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  Not because they're wizened. Yeah, because they're wizened,
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  but because the Daily Mail once did like a gotcha of like SJPSJP
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  looked stunning at a red carpet event, but her hands she brushed
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  away a golden lock with a wizened hand.
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  Wrinkled, wrinkled little star. The most disgusting journalism.
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  But that is so horrible. It's so horrible, but.
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  But it makes complete sense when I look at your wizard as because
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  wizard, wizard, they are witchy. It's my favorite thing about
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  you, though, because as soon as anyone's like, oh, Crystal's so
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  hot, I'm just like, look at the hands.
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  Well, I'll take the compliment that was buried in there.
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  Better get digging bitches deep, deep down.
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  We're covering mannequin now. This movie, the idea for this
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  film came when director Michael Gottlieb was walking down 5th
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  Ave. and thought he saw a mannequin move in the window of
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  Bergdorf Goodman. And I'd say that's where the
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  ideas stopped. I don't.
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  You know, yeah, yeah. He's like, I've got an idea.
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  Isn't it based well or some just linked that it's based off of a?
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  Greek myth. A Greek myth?
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  Yeah. It is.
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  It's based off Pygmalion a bit and maybe a movie called One
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  Touch of Venus from 1948 which I'm not familiar with.
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  It stars Andrew McCarthy, who was cast after test of his films
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  shown showed that he strongly appealed to girls who were the
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  target audience. Sure, Jan.
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  Sure. Great.
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  Yeah. But more importantly, the movie
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  stars Kim Cattrall. Which, Shock horror.
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  She was older than him. Yeah.
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  When I was looking for trivia, that was one of the biggest
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  things that came up. It's like, wow.
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  Well, Kim Cattrall was six years older than her.
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  Her love interest in the film, It's like, is that, is that
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  where we've got to? Honestly, there is.
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  There's not a lot written about this movie.
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  You can't normally like we cover a movie and I'm like, oh,
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  there's lots of things I can dig into for research.
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  There's not a lot here. I do have some IMDb trivia for
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  you. Go on to go on No as I'll.
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  Get to it as it comes. Through, but it's Slim Pickens.
• 18:52
  But yeah, we've got Kim Cattrall.
• 18:54
  Welcome to the podcast, Kim Cattrall.
• 18:55
  No, she's been here before. Crossroads.
• 18:58
  Yes, crossroads. Better ray for cable window
• 19:01
  Latin equals only as a cameo. Yeah, but she's.
• 19:04
  Yeah. So now it's her full time glory.
• 19:06
  Yeah, if you haven't listened to the Crossroads episodes, King
• 19:10
  Cattrall basically just comes in and she clearly only had one day
• 19:13
  filming and doesn't do much. Yeah, she's just, she's just
• 19:17
  there to be a cow, which is really what you want Kim
• 19:20
  Cattrall to. Do basically and Kim Cattrall
• 19:22
  doesn't do it enough in my mind. No, yeah, I agree.
• 19:25
  It's weird watching her in this movie where she's playing like
• 19:29
  very against the type that we know her of.
• 19:32
  Yeah, she's just kind of like a fun leading lady in this, isn't?
• 19:35
  She Yeah. Manic Pixie dream girl.
• 19:39
  What? Do you not know what about a
• 19:40
  manic Pixie dream girl? No.
• 19:42
  So manic Pixie dream girl is this like trope in movies of
• 19:46
  like that spunky creative free spirited female lead whose only
• 19:53
  purpose is there to like help the struggling male lead.
• 19:57
  And there's many, many, many, many examples.
• 20:00
  Like have you seen 500 Days of Summer?
• 20:02
  No. Zooey Deschanel is like that,
• 20:05
  the classic. But like Kristen Dunst has done
• 20:07
  it, Natalie Portman's done. It Yeah, like now.
• 20:09
  You said that as a choke. Yeah, OK, I fully understand.
• 20:12
  Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine.
• 20:14
  You know, like I'm this zany free spirited girl and I'm here
• 20:18
  to like basically save the poor struggling man.
• 20:22
  OK, right life. Then yeah, I, I, I thought that
• 20:26
  watching this movie and I was like, Oh my God, I'm going to go
• 20:28
  on Letterbox and I'm going to write Mannequin Pixie Dream Girl
• 20:31
  and I am so smart. And it was obviously the first
• 20:35
  comment already on Letterbox. I'm like OK, I've got no
• 20:38
  original thoughts. No, I was the same because when
• 20:40
  I was watching this, I was like, Oh my God, I was like, what came
• 20:43
  first? This will splash because I'm
• 20:46
  seeing like a duality between. Anyone's ever thought?
• 20:49
  Yeah. And then I like looked and
• 20:50
  there's like lots of episodes where they're comparing them
• 20:53
  like bomb podcasts and things, and it's like, yeah, OK, yeah,
• 20:56
  great. Sounds like great bass.
• 20:58
  Bass level. This movie also stars Estelle
• 21:01
  Getty AKA Sofia from Golden Girls.
• 21:05
  Yep, and James Spader and. That guy from police Academy.
• 21:10
  As well. And that guy from police
• 21:12
  Academy, EW, something. Kim Cattrall apparently spent
• 21:14
  six weeks posing for sculptor Tanya Raguer, who captured her
• 21:21
  likeness. They made six mannequins based
• 21:24
  off of her, each with a different expression.
• 21:26
  Wow. That's the that's the
• 21:28
  scintillating kind of fact you come to this podcast for.
• 21:32
  It had a budget of $8 million and apparently it took
• 21:37
  $43,000,000 in North America. So it's a big hit, and it was a
• 21:40
  big enough hit that it had a sequel, Mannequin 2.
• 21:44
  I've never. Seen the sequel?
• 21:45
  Me neither. Apparently it's much worse, if
• 21:48
  you can believe it. That's that's an achievement,
• 21:50
  isn't it? Yeah, and it stars Kirstie
• 21:52
  Swanson, who we remember from Buffy the movie.
• 21:56
  Oh God, yeah, Oh God, she's. Terrible.
• 21:59
  Yeah. MAGA Kirsty Swanson.
• 22:01
  Believe it or not, this movie is not.
• 22:02
  Wasn't Oscar nominated though? No, I did know that.
• 22:04
  Diane Warren. Hard girl Diane Warren best
• 22:11
  original song. I mean, it is, it's one of those
• 22:13
  songs that like dips in and out of like I kind of feel like my
• 22:16
  current space of it is I kind of love the song.
• 22:19
  I love. But for ages I associated it
• 22:21
  with things like X Factor and stuff like really shit.
• 22:24
  Like Oh yeah, I see what you mean.
• 22:26
  But now it's just like, Oh my God, that.
• 22:28
  Slaps. Yeah, yeah, it.
• 22:30
  Really. Where's that woman sings.
• 22:32
  Let them see you with crazy. I don't do.
• 22:37
  About that, there's something about like film soundtracks of
• 22:40
  the late 80s and 90s, Dirty Dancing as well.
• 22:43
  You know, I've had the time in my life just like.
• 22:45
  Yeah, well, that's what this movie lost to.
• 22:47
  Oh, is that what it lost to? Oh, OK.
• 22:48
  Well, understandably also these these kind of faceless voices.
• 22:53
  I don't know what these stars stars, what they called Star
• 22:56
  cities, Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers Denise
• 23:00
  Richards. It's actually Denise Richards
• 23:01
  singing this. No, it's Jefferson.
• 23:06
  Starship or Starship. Or maybe they're just called
• 23:08
  Starship. You would not know what they
• 23:10
  look like, would you? No, but like just those.
• 23:12
  Name is Grace Slick. Oh, yeah.
• 23:15
  Hi. Grace Yeah.
• 23:16
  I love the way she sings. Crazy, crazy.
• 23:20
  Let them say we're crazy. Imagine being in the booth and
• 23:23
  just being like, let them say we're crazy.
• 23:25
  And then it's like, hold up a second.
• 23:26
  Yeah, no, I want to add some flavour.
• 23:28
  To this, I'm going to be like, hey, hey guys, what if I do?
• 23:31
  Let's say we're crazy, crazy, crazy.
• 23:37
  Go on, Grace Slick, the critics did not like this movie.
• 23:45
  I don't believe you. It's.
• 23:47
  Got 20% on Rotten Tomatoes. Savaged by the critics, Leonard
• 23:52
  Moulton said. Absolute rock bottom.
• 23:55
  Fair. Dispiriting for anyone who
• 23:58
  remembers what movie comedy should be.
• 24:00
  Oh, do you know what you've done there?
• 24:01
  You've accidentally read one of our Apple Podcasts.
• 24:06
  Silly you. Rita Kempley of The Washington
• 24:09
  Post called the film made by For and About Dummies.
• 24:14
  Yep. Rita was cooking when she wrote.
• 24:16
  Oh, she was and can. You imagine her sat there typing
• 24:20
  it like sending a life period. Send to editor.
• 24:25
  And then dusting her hands. Afterwards, yeah, I did find 1
• 24:29
  positive review. Dan McQuaid, who was writing in
• 24:31
  Philadelphia magazine, said truly the most uplifting film
• 24:35
  ever made about the city. What?
• 24:39
  He's just pro Philly. OK.
• 24:41
  Yeah. And then?
• 24:43
  What does it what, what about it?
• 24:45
  Screams Philadelphia. Honestly, but it is more
• 24:48
  uplifting than the film of Philadelphia.
• 24:49
  Yes, I guess there's that. The Rotten Tomatoes.
• 24:54
  I guess they're the only two films you've got.
• 24:56
  Yeah. You're comparing.
• 24:57
  You are like, thank God we've got this.
• 24:59
  Yeah. The other one's quite
• 25:01
  depressing. The Rotten Tomatoes consensus
• 25:02
  says Mannequin is a real dummy, outfitted with a ludicrous
• 25:06
  concept and a painfully earnest script that never springs to
• 25:09
  life despite the best efforts of an impossibly charming Kim
• 25:12
  Cattrall. Do we agree?
• 25:14
  We'll. Find out best efforts.
• 25:16
  And then the last thing I want to say about the context.
• 25:18
  You know the tagline of this movie.
• 25:20
  No, some guys have all the luck. OK.
• 25:26
  What does that mean? Because what is what is the
• 25:29
  fetish of fucking mannequins? I don't know but.
• 25:32
  It's out there. Yeah, it is.
• 25:34
  It's a real fetish. I actually think it, yes, 100%.
• 25:37
  I can't pronounce it. I guess everything's a fetish,
• 25:40
  really. It is, but then it led me to
• 25:42
  watching some mannequin porn earlier before just to see how
• 25:46
  different it was. Now is that different to fucking
• 25:49
  like a sex doll? I think they're of the same
• 25:52
  family. OK, yeah.
• 25:55
  I, you know, maybe unfairly all grouped together under the same
• 25:59
  title. Right.
• 25:59
  Yeah, yeah, I bet some people are really like, no, I'm only
• 26:03
  into mannequins. It's our God sake, a gamut.
• 26:07
  I feel it's one of those things you have to just say with like
• 26:10
  pure conviction, isn't it? So it's agomatophilia,
• 26:14
  agomatophilia, agomatophilia. Agomatophilia.
• 26:17
  Agomatophilia. In is a form of object sexuality
• 26:21
  involving sexual attractions to statues, dolls, or mannequins.
• 26:25
  It sounds like I could do again. Well, this is one of my IMDb
• 26:33
  trivia things. Don't know why someone bothered
• 26:36
  to write this. Two things director Michael
• 26:39
  Gottlieb took inspiration from his teenage years working in a
• 26:42
  Macy's talk room. He was particularly inspired by
• 26:44
  his own experiences with mannequins behind locked doors.
• 26:48
  Oh wow. OK.
• 26:50
  I don't think that's true. I couldn't, you know, Fact Check
• 26:53
  that, but someone took the time to write it.
• 26:55
  Also, this is another bit of trivia on IMDBLSD Researcher
• 26:59
  Jerry Kelly convinced himself that this movie was real.
• 27:02
  He was arrested multiple times for speaking and even at times
• 27:05
  groping and undressing mannequins at several different
• 27:07
  retail shops. OK.
• 27:09
  OK. Love.
• 27:10
  Great, someone took the time to write that on the Internet.
• 27:14
  Agadouphilia. I can't.
• 27:17
  Remember what it's called? Agamatophilia.
• 27:20
  Agamatophilia. No, God damn it, I'm going to do
• 27:25
  it. Agamatophilia.
• 27:27
  Love it? Well.
• 27:29
  If you are into that, we are. Going to This is the episode for
• 27:31
  Go. In.
• 27:33
  So, opening scene, Ancient Egypt.
• 27:36
  And we're really getting a vibe of how much research or depth
• 27:41
  has gone into the creation of this movie because even at the
• 27:43
  beginning, they are going a really long time ago.
• 27:46
  Yeah, they're not even bothering to give it.
• 27:48
  No, it's right before lunch and famous Egyptian Kim Cattrall is
• 27:55
  a mummy is a mummy. She is hot, dressed up as a
• 27:58
  mummy. In an escape room it looks like
• 28:01
  the set is so cheap. True.
• 28:02
  In an escape room. Yeah, it's very.
• 28:06
  It's. Like follow the high, that's the
• 28:07
  hieroglyphics on the wall. But.
• 28:09
  Crystal Maze. It's very Crystal Maze.
• 28:13
  She's hiding from her arranged marriage and overbearing mother.
• 28:18
  Who is decked out in the finest Smithies costume I've seen?
• 28:22
  The pair of them, it's like you know what we need to make this
• 28:25
  authentic. We're going to hire 2 white
• 28:27
  ladies, but it's but a cobwebs. Yeah.
• 28:30
  She doesn't want to get married, though, because she wants to be
• 28:32
  an inventor and she prays to the gods to help her.
• 28:35
  Yeah. And like, why did they like the
• 28:37
  inventing? We'll get to the inventor story.
• 28:40
  Like, but it's so unnecessary and it really doesn't play out
• 28:43
  at all. But sure.
• 28:45
  OK. Yeah.
• 28:46
  But then. But then they've got, you know,
• 28:47
  like a very, like clever take on like, well, you know, if I, if
• 28:52
  you know that if I thought women would be able to achieve
• 28:54
  anything, then of course I'd fight for you.
• 28:55
  That's what the mother says to her.
• 28:58
  Very like knowing Rye. Like women?
• 29:00
  Yeah, well, let's see what happens with that.
• 29:03
  I bet she's going to achieve something really good in her
• 29:05
  life. Like.
• 29:08
  Like a window. The rules of feminism.
• 29:11
  Aim high, girls. Fucking hell.
• 29:14
  Anyway, she pleads to the gods to save her, and she vanishes
• 29:18
  before her mother's eyes. Then we get a cartoon montage.
• 29:22
  Where she's a cat. Where she's now a woman of
• 29:24
  colour slash cat, because they were like, we haven't cast an
• 29:28
  Egyptian woman for this role, so now we'll make her one in this
• 29:32
  cartoon. It's quite weird.
• 29:34
  Yeah, I do love like this era. They used to love an animation.
• 29:38
  Oh. I know I do.
• 29:38
  Like that and I really there's something I've always enjoyed.
• 29:40
  Animated montage intro Great. And it.
• 29:44
  The Belinda Carlisle song. Yeah.
• 29:45
  And you're also like when you're watching it, like, what does
• 29:48
  this mean? And actually, it is kind of the
• 29:50
  narrative of her tale, isn't it? Yeah.
• 29:52
  Yeah. That this this spirit that she
• 29:55
  is now has been floating around history.
• 29:57
  Yeah. Cavorting meeting famous for.
• 29:59
  Columbus, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Latoya, Suzanne,
• 30:05
  you name it. A jobless window dresser.
• 30:09
  All they're all equally relevant, but yeah, it's cute
• 30:12
  and it's AI like this song. I didn't know it before Linda
• 30:15
  Carlisle song. Then we're in 1987 Philadelphia,
• 30:19
  and Jonathan Switcher is a sculptor.
• 30:22
  Is he? Yeah.
• 30:25
  This man says he's an artist. I don't know.
• 30:27
  He's working at a mannequin warehouse and he finishes a
• 30:31
  single female mannequin that he considers A masterpiece.
• 30:34
  Now, are we supposed to understand that he has sculpted
• 30:36
  this mannequin by hand because or is he just put arms?
• 30:40
  Because that's it's actually like, it's like there's a bunch
• 30:42
  of arms hanging up everywhere. Arms and legs.
• 30:44
  And you can literally just, I guess it's like pick a Mick to
• 30:47
  make whatever you want. But yeah, apparently he's a
• 30:49
  sculptor that's done that one, actually.
• 30:51
  And also, why is it taking him that long?
• 30:53
  I will say she has incredible tits.
• 30:57
  Great, but it's such an unnecessary detail to the tits.
• 31:00
  They've got like a pinkiness to the nipples.
• 31:03
  Breasts, Mama, they're called breasts.
• 31:07
  I wasn't looking at that. I was actually focused on her
• 31:09
  face and she is beat. Beat down Mama I love.
• 31:14
  This 80s makeup, it makes everybody look 45.
• 31:18
  Yeah, it's so good. That's the thing I love about
• 31:22
  these films as well, because you're, you look at how old Kim
• 31:25
  Cattrall was and she was like 30, wasn't she?
• 31:27
  But it's like she looks older than she looked in Sex in the
• 31:30
  City. It's incredible.
• 31:31
  Yeah, wonderful. But yeah.
• 31:32
  So he's an artist. I I don't know, I think his
• 31:35
  artistry is limited to combining arms and legs.
• 31:38
  And also as well we're we're meeting him and it's he's saying
• 31:42
  he's built this thing, but he's still putting it together like.
• 31:45
  He's done nothing. He's choosing arms and then oh,
• 31:47
  oh, he's wrong. Sex, yeah, but oh.
• 31:50
  God, imagine that. So I mean in this factory to the
• 31:53
  like, you know, he said wrong sex.
• 31:55
  You know, correct me if I'm wrong.
• 31:56
  People that are into mannequins, but I didn't realize like
• 32:00
  mannequins had like genitalia. I thought they were all like
• 32:02
  barbied. You're right.
• 32:04
  So as that, as in this mannequin factory, is there like one with
• 32:06
  a big fuck fucking Dick and he's like, oh, wrong sex on that.
• 32:11
  Do you know what I mean? Well he does then end up having
• 32:15
  sex with the mannequin, so maybe it's just that the lady ones
• 32:18
  have holes. Listen, I have a mannequin in my
• 32:20
  living room. You do.
• 32:21
  It's. A child?
• 32:22
  Oh God, no, no, no. But there's nothing, right?
• 32:25
  She has a heeled foot which I find very bizarre.
• 32:29
  So it's it's like Barbie. Yeah.
• 32:31
  So yeah, what is he doing? This fucking crazy man.
• 32:36
  He gets fired from this job because he's spending too.
• 32:39
  Much time. What is he doing?
• 32:41
  They're like, you work in a mannequin factory.
• 32:42
  We need to make some mannequins and he's like, I can make one
• 32:45
  of. Them I'm actually a sculptor.
• 32:47
  Yeah, he's fucking mental. He's.
• 32:48
  And then it makes you realise, actually, if you watch this
• 32:50
  entire film through the gaze that this is a man who's
• 32:53
  psychotic horror movie. Yeah.
• 32:55
  Then actually it's just it could be a wonderful art house film.
• 32:59
  Yeah, remake it, but like I want to see the creepy horror version
• 33:02
  of this for sure. Yeah, no wonder he's sacked.
• 33:04
  I'm a sculptor. It's like your job is to put
• 33:06
  arms on a mannequin. Please grow up.
• 33:09
  But this one's special. Get out of here.
• 33:12
  I need to fuck her. Yeah.
• 33:14
  So he gets fired and then he takes a number of odd jobs.
• 33:16
  Oh that was hilarious. Oh God, what a hilarious
• 33:18
  montage. I mean the man can't even make a
• 33:21
  pizza. I did like though, that I think
• 33:23
  he kills a small boy. There's like a boy who wants a
• 33:27
  balloon and he wants the big balloon and the the boy just
• 33:29
  flies off. Yes, I think that boy just.
• 33:32
  Died later. We also find out that when he
• 33:34
  worked in a restaurant, it basically set on fire.
• 33:36
  That's true. Yeah, and he, he's an arsonist
• 33:39
  again. He's he's.
• 33:40
  Murdering. Children dangerous.
• 33:43
  Falling in love with inanimate objects, killing small children
• 33:46
  and setting fire at a restaurant?
• 33:47
  You love it. He's got a girlfriend, Roxy.
• 33:49
  Who I kind of love. Actually, I love Roxy.
• 33:52
  I'm into Do you know what I like about Roxy?
• 33:53
  She's got standards. Yeah.
• 33:55
  Yeah, exactly. And we're meant to like, vilify
• 33:57
  her because she's like, this is my problem with these kind of
• 34:00
  films. I struggle when obviously we're
• 34:02
  meant to follow a straight man narrative, right?
• 34:06
  And we're meant to like, feel sorry for him and like instantly
• 34:09
  I'm switching off. Because yeah, no, I don't care,
• 34:12
  don't care. So, So what?
• 34:13
  We meet this psycho who has been moulding, supposedly moulding
• 34:18
  and sculpting A mannequin, which doesn't happen.
• 34:21
  He's like, let children fly off. He's like, you literally can't
• 34:25
  do anything. And his girlfriend is like, eye
• 34:27
  rolling this and being like, oh, for fuck's sake, you lose her.
• 34:30
  Yeah, and we're meant to look at her as a villain all while she's
• 34:33
  got the Countius makeup and, like, shoulder pads on.
• 34:35
  And I meant to hate this woman. I'm sorry you could never make
• 34:38
  how feminism works. No, you could never make me hate
• 34:41
  Roxy I. Mean, that's just, like, the
• 34:43
  rules of feminism. And she was in.
• 34:46
  She's collaborated with Prince on music.
• 34:49
  Yeah. All right.
• 34:49
  I was like, she's cool. Right.
• 34:51
  She apparently complained about doing this movie because they
• 34:53
  made her look too severe compared to Kim Cattrall, who
• 34:56
  got the blowout. And she didn't like having this,
• 34:58
  the slicked back hair. But she didn't know that 40
• 35:01
  years later there'd be two gays being like, yes, serve queen.
• 35:05
  Well, this is back that, but, you know, Sue said this in the
• 35:08
  last episode that I was listening to about you can't
• 35:11
  have two blonde women in a film. And this is this is right.
• 35:14
  Yeah. Also, how what did you do to her
• 35:17
  when she said that she couldn't tell the difference between Uma
• 35:19
  Thurman and Michelle? Pfeiffer, I'm still thinking.
• 35:21
  I was thinking. I was listening.
• 35:23
  To up today thinking about. This.
• 35:25
  I was listening to it, walking my dog, and I suddenly felt
• 35:28
  really fucking angry. I was like, what is this person?
• 35:31
  What is she doing on our podcast saying filth like that?
• 35:35
  All of the good work we put in for the last year and that's the
• 35:38
  shit she's peddling? Fuck you, Sue gives a fuck.
• 35:41
  They are sorry, two strikingly beautiful blonde women, yes, who
• 35:47
  are completely you like. Your friend has big old jiggly
• 35:51
  tits. One is Poison Ivy and one is
• 35:54
  cat. Yes, it's not difficult.
• 35:57
  Oh God, thank you. OK, I'm really glad that we
• 36:00
  managed to talk. Yeah, to talk about that.
• 36:02
  I couldn't let her have it on. It no, just disgusting.
• 36:05
  OK. Can you tell we're filling
• 36:07
  people? Can you tell this is fluffing
• 36:09
  this episode? OK so he gets dumped.
• 36:12
  We love Roxy. Dumping someone by telling them
• 36:15
  they need to get psychiatric help is camp.
• 36:19
  We've all been. There.
• 36:20
  Yeah, we've all been there. Then his motorcycle breaks down
• 36:22
  in the rain. So Switcher and.
• 36:25
  Switcher. He has another episode where
• 36:27
  he's staring at her in the the window.
• 36:29
  Oh my God, it's the mannequin that I made.
• 36:33
  You did not make her. You put arms on something that
• 36:37
  probably was sculpted in China. Yeah, and how many of there are
• 36:40
  there around the? World anyway, she's there and he
• 36:43
  says to her in the window that she's the first work that made
• 36:46
  him feel like a true artist and. You know, sorry, I'll just keep
• 36:50
  on thinking this from like, if this was a really fucked up, you
• 36:52
  know, if it was like an A-24, he'd be like wanking at her in
• 36:55
  the rain, wouldn't he? And then she'd probably, and
• 36:59
  then she'd probably be going, yeah, that's it.
• 37:04
  OK, anyway, sure. Sure.
• 37:06
  Jen, you're an artist. The next morning, he is walking
• 37:10
  past the store again, and he sees Claire Timken, Estelle
• 37:14
  Getty, who's about to be killed by her own shop sign because
• 37:18
  she's the store owner. He saves her and it's.
• 37:21
  Oh, my God. Hi, Jinx.
• 37:22
  He's swinging around on that sign.
• 37:24
  You can really see where they spent their budget.
• 37:26
  It's such a great use of special effect.
• 37:29
  It's just. And all of the other things I
• 37:32
  could do. And it's like, yeah.
• 37:34
  That and the car chase, same scene.
• 37:35
  And then and then she's and she's like, hey, let me hire you
• 37:39
  and. He's swinging around on the
• 37:40
  side. I mean, it's a broad style of
• 37:43
  comedy that this movie is going for, Kind of slapsticky
• 37:46
  screwball I hate. It Yeah, I hate it so much.
• 37:50
  I hate it. It's such low hanging fruit,
• 37:52
  really. And also, do you know what I
• 37:54
  love? Well, maybe I don't.
• 37:55
  I thought I love the style Gethi and like Golden Girls.
• 37:58
  Yeah, she's terrible. Like she cannot act.
• 38:01
  She's trying so hard not to slip into that Sicilian accent, isn't
• 38:05
  she? And.
• 38:05
  It's just like, no, you need to accept who you are.
• 38:08
  Where does this fall in Like Golden When?
• 38:11
  When is Golden girls? I think it's probably mid Golden
• 38:13
  Girls. So I think she's, you know,
• 38:15
  she's become a breakout star on that.
• 38:17
  And then she's now be given some opportunities and it's like.
• 38:20
  Picture it Philadelphia in 1987. Anyway, Claire is grateful to
• 38:25
  him and gives him a job. We meet Mr. Richards, played by
• 38:29
  James Spader. He is secretly paid by Illustra,
• 38:33
  the rival department store. Now that's the department store
• 38:35
  I want to. Go Oh my God, it.
• 38:36
  Is amazing, yeah. I'm like, imagine shopping
• 38:40
  there. Everything's neon blue.
• 38:42
  Everywhere but pre COVID slash curtains so like really cool.
• 38:47
  It was a futurism. There was a time when like those
• 38:49
  kind of like tinsel curtains you couldn't get anywhere.
• 38:51
  Like and in the 80s. Oh they pop with real neon.
• 38:56
  It's so nice. I just want to be there
• 38:59
  watching. Yeah, And like, I'm just being
• 39:01
  there for the whole day being like, oh, I went and like this
• 39:04
  person a makeup counter. Yeah, just wandering around
• 39:06
  meeting all of the different ladies at all the makeup
• 39:08
  channels. Like an electric neon ion BA and
• 39:10
  then. And I got to try on.
• 39:13
  I wonder what the fragrance would be.
• 39:17
  Like Jerry Hall or something. Yeah, for men.
• 39:22
  So yeah, Richard is played by Lustra.
• 39:24
  He's trying to sabotage prints and company so it can be bought.
• 39:27
  We also meet suspicious and bigoted security guard Captain
• 39:30
  Felix Maxwell. He's like, oh, so the Mary has a
• 39:35
  new assistant. He doesn't like gay.
• 39:37
  People. No.
• 39:37
  Yeah, he does these days, though.
• 39:39
  Terrible. And then we also meet flamboyant
• 39:42
  window dresser Hollywood Montrose, played by Meshach
• 39:46
  Taylor. Right.
• 39:49
  Right, how we Let's talk about Hollywood.
• 39:51
  Apparently this man was the only straight man to audition for
• 39:55
  this role. This is a heterosexual man
• 39:58
  playing this. Because my my boyfriend loves
• 40:00
  Hollywood right? And and quotes Hollywood like
• 40:03
  and I was telling him that we were doing this episode and then
• 40:07
  I also told him in my research that he was straight and the way
• 40:11
  he audibly gasped and nearly like fell over the sofa because
• 40:15
  he always he always just believed it was like.
• 40:17
  Yeah, a super. Capative portrayal like real.
• 40:21
  It was his lived experience. Yeah, because also I think as
• 40:24
  well you can kind of you're like, oh God, how fucking
• 40:27
  fabulous. This like flamboyant black guy
• 40:31
  who is just like, owning it. And you're like, yeah, fucking
• 40:33
  how Even though it is like cliche trophy camp, you're like,
• 40:36
  brilliant. Yeah, until you find out he's
• 40:38
  straight. And it's like, oh God.
• 40:40
  Because he kind of carries the movie.
• 40:42
  Whatever, I'm going to snip so knowing he's straight out of my
• 40:46
  brain. Because, yeah, otherwise you
• 40:48
  can't enjoy it at all. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:50
  And I'm just going to enjoy this queer representation.
• 40:53
  Yeah, right. Because he is fabulous.
• 40:56
  He's. Fabulous and the.
• 40:57
  Movie loves him, yeah. The movie loves him.
• 40:59
  The movie's on his side. He has real heart.
• 41:01
  Yeah, the the he experiences bigotry and those bigots are
• 41:05
  punished. The movie likes this game.
• 41:07
  He's creative. He's worried about weight.
• 41:10
  Yeah, I mean. He wears those sunglasses that
• 41:14
  what's her face wears in overboard.
• 41:16
  What's her face Goldie Hawn with?
• 41:18
  The Goldie Hawn wears fucking hell.
• 41:20
  Right. Sue gives a fuck.
• 41:21
  Calm down. Goldie Hawn wears an overboard.
• 41:24
  He drives a pink Cadillac with a bad girl on it.
• 41:27
  Sorry, it's not goals, right? Rihanna vibes.
• 41:31
  He. Yeah.
• 41:32
  Incredible. Incredible.
• 41:34
  Straight. Straight.
• 41:35
  OK, so then Switcher is putting together a window display and
• 41:40
  the mannequin he made. Oh, my God.
• 41:42
  It comes to life. Can you believe it?
• 41:45
  Can you believe it? It's Kim Cattrall.
• 41:46
  It's Kim Cattrall, everyone. She says she's existed for
• 41:49
  centuries as a muse, sometimes inhabiting the works of an
• 41:52
  artist she admires and inspires. And that is that's all she says,
• 41:56
  because she just goes, goes it's a long story and then proceeds
• 41:59
  to not tell a long story at all. Just that's it.
• 42:02
  Like. And I think this is where.
• 42:04
  Yeah. So here's where we're supposed
• 42:05
  to understand that, Jonathan. Putting arms on a prefab body is
• 42:13
  the same as. Michelangelo.
• 42:15
  Michelangelo. Leonardo da Vinci.
• 42:17
  Who she outed? Yeah.
• 42:20
  Was he? Was he out?
• 42:22
  But also what doesn't make sense to me.
• 42:23
  So OK, so she was the Mona Lisa because Leonardo painted it and
• 42:27
  then she came to life as the Mona Lisa.
• 42:29
  Does that mean she was David? And how does she fit into the
• 42:34
  Michelangelo story? I don't know, Doesn't make sense
• 42:36
  right? I think.
• 42:38
  I think maybe she is lying. Doesn't exist.
• 42:44
  And then also how? What is Christopher?
• 42:45
  Christopher Clumps isn't an artist, he's a he's a slave
• 42:50
  poacher. Like he never questioned it.
• 42:53
  He never, he never wants to find out more about this.
• 42:56
  It's also never explained anymore.
• 42:58
  You know, there's not like normally in these kind of films
• 43:00
  it would be like, oh, you know, the ex-boyfriend from back in
• 43:05
  Egyptian times has found the portal.
• 43:07
  She went in and how dare she leave me.
• 43:09
  So I'm going to go to the modern day to get her back.
• 43:11
  There's normally that kind of storyline.
• 43:13
  No, not on this. Wait, are you saying that this
• 43:16
  movie about a mannequin that comes to life has a like a
• 43:18
  poorly thinly written female lead without much back story?
• 43:23
  I am implying that, yeah. Wow, bold.
• 43:26
  OK, so. Yeah you're right though, she
• 43:29
  doesn't have that much of a story, does she?
• 43:30
  I'm just looking at one of my notes.
• 43:32
  She has zero agency lol. Yeah, she's really she's just
• 43:36
  there to help Jonathan live his dreams.
• 43:38
  And wear nice clothes. Yeah, she also explains that the
• 43:42
  gods allow her life when she and Jonathan are unobserved, so no
• 43:46
  one else can see her. Whenever they see her, she goes
• 43:48
  back to a mannequin. Again, so basically she's just
• 43:51
  this pleasure object for him, solely for his gaze and no one
• 43:55
  else's. Yeah, yeah, she's a sex doll.
• 43:59
  And years of time travelling, that's what it brought her to.
• 44:03
  Honestly, that's and she doesn't seem to want anything more than
• 44:05
  that. It's like like she's been, she's
• 44:08
  basically implied that she's been like around fuck boys
• 44:11
  throughout time, like thousands of years of fuck boys and she's
• 44:14
  still like, wow, this guy, this guy who can't even make a
• 44:19
  fucking pizza, who murders children.
• 44:22
  Oh, he's the one. Yeah, this is that.
• 44:25
  So with Emmy's help, Switcher's window display is a massive
• 44:29
  success. Oh.
• 44:34
  Oh, to live in a time when some tennis rackets hanging from the
• 44:39
  ceiling could draw a crowd. Hey, have you seen the window
• 44:43
  dressing at the store? Almost the road.
• 44:46
  Imagine. My favorite bit is just watching
• 44:49
  the extras act in this scene because they're all clearly
• 44:52
  don't know what they're saying, but they're all like, go wow,
• 44:54
  wow, you seen this, though? Hey, look at that over there.
• 44:58
  Look. Wow.
• 44:59
  Hey everybody, get over here. They all say nothing but all
• 45:03
  going mad over the displays and clapping.
• 45:06
  Everybody clapped. I.
• 45:07
  Also love this as well because like, obviously this kooky
• 45:10
  writer and director have come up with this crazy film concept and
• 45:15
  clearly it's got greenlit, blah, blah, blah, to the point where
• 45:17
  they've had to like get the art team on board.
• 45:20
  Right, guys, there we go. You're going to make some like
• 45:23
  crazily successful window dressing with mannequins and
• 45:28
  this is going to be like the bit, OK, what are you doing?
• 45:30
  And then it's like these people being like, I guess we'll put
• 45:33
  them on a cycle like. What if yeah, mannequins were on
• 45:37
  bikes? It's like, this is it?
• 45:40
  That's like, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah.
• 45:43
  I just. I love how underwhelming.
• 45:45
  Oh. God, it is grim.
• 45:47
  Just hire someone with some talent to do this in the movie.
• 45:50
  It's crazy. Anyway, now Switcher is in
• 45:52
  charge of visual merchandising and so him and Emmy continue
• 45:56
  working on displays and I think this is where we get the longest
• 45:59
  montage that has ever existed in.
• 46:01
  Cinema history normally love a montage.
• 46:03
  Yeah. Oh, it's boring, isn't it?
• 46:05
  It's just it's the entire song. The song is Do You Dream About
• 46:09
  Me? And yeah, it's the entire song.
• 46:11
  And it's just them just doing lots of fun little dress up
• 46:14
  moments. They're like Gangster and just
• 46:18
  like Yacht and oh, I like the look she's got where she's in
• 46:23
  the kind of. Hunk.
• 46:25
  Wiki Yeah, Tina Turner. I also watched this and I was
• 46:29
  thinking, oh God, I feel sorry for people like Kim Cottrell
• 46:31
  because, you know, we we do like mock Christina Aguilera,
• 46:34
  etcetera for wearing wigs in movies to just have like mousy
• 46:38
  flat ace 80s hair that you can kind of boof on a little bit.
• 46:41
  You. I am missing a wig.
• 46:43
  I want more wigs, more a mannequin.
• 46:45
  Yeah, she should be bald. And then and let me tell you
• 46:49
  that wig, when she is a mannequin, her wig on the
• 46:53
  mannequin is way more impressive than Kim Cattralls hair.
• 46:56
  So Kim Cattrall should be wearing that wig.
• 46:58
  More wigs. More wigs, You're absolutely.
• 47:00
  Right, because I came alive when I saw the punk wig.
• 47:02
  The. Punk wig is so good.
• 47:04
  The punk wig is so good. Also, Kim Cattrall is no
• 47:08
  stranger to a wig. I watched this interview she
• 47:10
  gave in the 90s where she's talking about this movie and
• 47:13
  about I guess she was on Star Trek too and.
• 47:15
  She's wearing like a little black.
• 47:16
  Yeah, a little black like Cleopatra, Bob, but.
• 47:19
  Surely that should be part of the fun of her film like this.
• 47:21
  It's like loads of different wigs.
• 47:23
  Oh, now I'm a blonde, now my redhead.
• 47:25
  Give us the depth we need. Yeah, when will you wear wigs?
• 47:30
  I also loved, I mean, I'm, you know, fur coat and just
• 47:33
  knickers. Yeah, fabulous.
• 47:35
  This at this point, I was, I wrote here.
• 47:36
  Are they fucking? I think they're not fucking yet.
• 47:40
  No. But it's kind of.
• 47:42
  This is like the foreplay. This is such a horny movie that
• 47:45
  I think they don't actually fuck till later.
• 47:47
  This movie is very sex. It's got sex on the brain.
• 47:50
  Yeah, there's always, there's all these horny, like, extras
• 47:53
  and like there's like the the guy who works at Illustra who's
• 47:56
  trying to sleep with Roxy. He's like a fucking perv.
• 47:59
  Oh yeah. Because he's just like, touched
• 48:01
  me. Yeah.
• 48:02
  Yeah, I've. I've got something in your size,
• 48:04
  Roxy. Oh.
• 48:07
  Over several weeks, they create several popular displays,
• 48:10
  attracting new business while deepening their relationship.
• 48:15
  A Lester tries to poach Jonathan, but he doesn't want to
• 48:18
  work there. There's a weird fight scene with
• 48:21
  Switcher and the security guard. It's like what?
• 48:24
  Yeah, like. Why is the security guard trying
• 48:26
  to? He literally murdered the.
• 48:29
  Employee. He's probably closet and he
• 48:32
  probably wants a piece of his ass that makes sense and he's
• 48:34
  jealous of that man. Well, he does say how he wants
• 48:37
  to strips. He wants to give him a strip
• 48:38
  search. And also, Oh my God, it's and
• 48:40
  there's also a bit, oh God, I hate these strokes.
• 48:43
  You see him where he's in that department store and he sees a
• 48:45
  pair of women's knickers, but kind of goes to them and looks
• 48:50
  at them in a sort of cross dressing kind of way, not in a
• 48:53
  like. So there's like, oh God, that's
• 48:56
  boring, isn't it? Right Claire fires Felix and
• 49:02
  Richard's and makes Jonathan the store's youngest vice president
• 49:08
  because he has increased sales so much through his amazing
• 49:12
  window displays. We realize now, wow, this is
• 49:16
  like some high stakes storytelling.
• 49:18
  Yeah, Battle of the department stores.
• 49:20
  Illustrious Sales are down 86% in several days because of
• 49:25
  Amazing Windows. All of the things you could do
• 49:28
  with the fucking mannequin. And it's like, no, we're just
• 49:30
  staying in the department store. Well, you know what you can do
• 49:33
  with Mannequin? What's that?
• 49:34
  Fuck it. Oh God.
• 49:38
  Because everyone at the store now thinks that he's fucking a
• 49:43
  mannequin and they're fine with it.
• 49:45
  It's helping the sales in their store like.
• 49:47
  Whatever it takes to get Prince and company back on track.
• 49:51
  If he needs to have sex with that mannequin in a store room
• 49:53
  in front of all of us, that's fine.
• 49:56
  Get your fucking ass up and work because he's making sick window
• 50:00
  displays. They are.
• 50:01
  They are like, I'll tell you what.
• 50:04
  Pushing artistic bounds. High streets would not be dead
• 50:07
  if we had visual merchandisers like him.
• 50:09
  Like, I'm sorry, when I walk down Oxford Street I don't see
• 50:12
  anything like that. Yeah, it's a dearth of glamour.
• 50:16
  You know what? It's a famine of beauty.
• 50:18
  One night, Jonathan takes Emmy through the city on his
• 50:20
  motorcycle. Which is quite funny, yeah.
• 50:23
  He's just driving around with a mannequin on his back.
• 50:26
  There's a big chase scene, which feels incredibly unnecessary.
• 50:30
  Again, Felix. The is just really trying to
• 50:32
  kill him. Yeah, just murder him.
• 50:34
  He's smashing into cars. They get stuck in an alley, then
• 50:38
  they go back to the store and this is where they fuck.
• 50:40
  I think for the first time. Yeah, OK.
• 50:42
  And they, yeah, they properly go.
• 50:43
  For it. And like a hammock.
• 50:45
  Yeah, in a tent under some fur coats.
• 50:47
  Also like these are some kinky bastards, why are they not just
• 50:50
  going to the bedroom department? You're right.
• 50:51
  I'm sorry. I know I'm very vanilla.
• 50:53
  By saying that it's just alright going to bed and fuck.
• 50:57
  And then it wake, they wake up and it's like a live art
• 50:59
  installation. And again, the extras are loving
• 51:01
  it, aren't they? They're clapping.
• 51:02
  Yeah, the extras love it. They're like, whoa, yeah.
• 51:07
  Well, I think, I think these people work.
• 51:09
  So they all work at the department store.
• 51:11
  And I think they've just been told to validate anything this
• 51:14
  man does. And they're like, well, we've
• 51:16
  come into work and this man's naked under a bunch of fur
• 51:18
  coats. You're a genius, Sir.
• 51:22
  You're a genius. But yeah, he finds out that
• 51:25
  overnight, after they've had sex, Illustra has come in and
• 51:28
  stolen all the female mannequins.
• 51:30
  He again, it's like, wow, the only way that we can combat
• 51:34
  these is they're incredible mannequins.
• 51:36
  It's like. Everyone making this movie was
• 51:38
  on drugs. Yes, yes.
• 51:40
  That everyone was just on coke and didn't give a shit.
• 51:44
  But anyway, Jonathan goes to Illustra and this is where we
• 51:46
  have our final showdown slash chase scene.
• 51:49
  Oh, and this is where we see Hollywood's pink convertible.
• 51:52
  Roxy loads all of the stolen mannequins into the stores.
• 51:56
  Large trash chipper thing. Yeah, she's gets knocked out by
• 52:01
  a bunch of garbage somehow. Yeah.
• 52:03
  And I, I really appreciate this because there's like maybe four
• 52:06
  or five mannequins that are on the conveyor belt and you see
• 52:10
  pretty instantly like 2 get like really.
• 52:14
  Chipped. But then you go back and it's
• 52:16
  like there's still like four or five on there and it's going up
• 52:21
  and it's like, and then the Kim Cattrall 1 is sort of so close
• 52:24
  to the edge until it cuts back in the other, oh, we're at the
• 52:27
  bottom again now. It's like the slowest descent.
• 52:29
  We're really building the stakes here.
• 52:31
  Yeah, Roxy gets covered in garbage and is like knocked out,
• 52:35
  Yeah. Bless her.
• 52:36
  What single cardboard box takes her out?
• 52:38
  But yeah, Hollywood holds everyone at Bay with a fire
• 52:41
  hose. Let me show you what a real man
• 52:44
  looks like. Sure, Yeah.
• 52:46
  And then Jonathan jumps onto the compactor conveyor belt and he
• 52:49
  manages to. Really calm and really can't
• 52:52
  lift her up. No, she's.
• 52:53
  A fucking mannequin. Yeah, and of all the films, you
• 52:55
  just think that would be the given, but it's actually the the
• 52:59
  store worker. Oh, yeah, He watches us for
• 53:01
  ages. He watches Jonathan about to get
• 53:04
  crushed to death for ages. And then eventually he's like,
• 53:06
  oh, let me turn off the power, actually.
• 53:09
  And then she's brought out. Yeah, and because he saves her
• 53:12
  and has proven his true love, she comes to life permanently.
• 53:17
  And then our actual hero with the piece, the guy who's
• 53:20
  cleaning, he's actually a sex pest, isn't he?
• 53:23
  Because then he's like, oh, I want a mannequin that will come
• 53:27
  to life as well. I want a hot woman fuck doll
• 53:29
  that comes to life. I'm going to look for one.
• 53:32
  And then finds the unconscious body of our dear friend Roxy and
• 53:35
  then starts kissing her. She wakes up and is like,
• 53:38
  obviously, obviously, get the fuck off of me.
• 53:42
  Like who cares if she's like the baddie of the show, get the fuck
• 53:45
  off of me. No, he carries on and she's like
• 53:47
  get off of me, get off of me. Meanwhile, Kim Cattrall and
• 53:50
  another boy are like, laughing and walking past the being like,
• 53:53
  Oh well, she's actually raped. Justice for Roxy.
• 53:59
  Yeah, she was also just trying to like save her ex boyfriends
• 54:02
  mental health by because he's clearly having a mental health
• 54:05
  crisis. He's in love with a doll, and he
• 54:09
  was. She was just trying to help by
• 54:11
  getting rid of the object of his like obsession.
• 54:13
  Yeah. And then also she's just doing
• 54:14
  what anybody in a competitive, in a competitive business
• 54:18
  environment would do, and that's get rid of the competition.
• 54:20
  Yeah, yeah, you're right. She's just holding on to her
• 54:23
  work, you know, and. I mean, that's.
• 54:25
  Just like the rules of feminism. Anyway, everyone's there.
• 54:28
  Claire arrives Aristo Getty and she says that she's got security
• 54:33
  footage of Illustrious stealing the mannequins and so she get
• 54:38
  tries to get everyone arrested. Police arrest these men and
• 54:43
  then. Hey, Claire, on those security
• 54:46
  cameras, did you see anything else?
• 54:48
  I only saw what I needed to see. Which was you raw fucking a
• 54:52
  mannequin all over my store? Yeah, and I was licking myself
• 54:56
  off to it. She loved watching him fuck that
• 55:02
  hard plastic. Oh my God.
• 55:05
  Anyway, then Jonathan and Emmy get married.
• 55:09
  In a window display. In a window display.
• 55:11
  With the extras all around again.
• 55:15
  And everybody clapped. Nothing's going to stop us now.
• 55:18
  Plays the end. Perfect movie.
• 55:31
  Wow. And that's Mannequin.
• 55:33
  So it's a pile of shit. It's a pile of shit.
• 55:35
  I did not like watching this movie, but I what I will say is
• 55:39
  I liked thinking about it. OK, no.
• 55:41
  Because you sent me a message going like something like, wow,
• 55:45
  that was a pile of shit or something.
• 55:47
  And then I, I instantly was like, oh, here we are.
• 55:50
  Crystal getting on her high horse being all like, I'm better
• 55:53
  than this. And I'm like, I bet I'm going to
• 55:55
  watch this. I'm going to find some real
• 55:56
  queer joy in it. And I was like, actually, no,
• 55:58
  no, no, you're right, bollock. I yeah, it's.
• 56:03
  It's rubbish. No, you know what this movie is?
• 56:05
  It's clock wipe fashion montage, clock wipe, car chase, clock
• 56:10
  wipe. Fuck a mannequin.
• 56:11
  Clock wipe, 80 cent clock wipe, montage.
• 56:14
  Clock wipe, chase. Clock wipe.
• 56:15
  Merry mannequin. The end.
• 56:17
  That makes it sound really good, though, Does it?
• 56:19
  Yeah, I would watch that, yeah. They love a wipe.
• 56:23
  Oh they do. And a quirky comedy cartoon
• 56:25
  sound effects. Chuck that bomb.
• 56:26
  Bomb, bomb, bomb. Yeah, it is just a loosely
• 56:30
  assembled bunch of montages around the cockiest plot you've
• 56:35
  ever heard. Yeah, I was going to ask you
• 56:36
  about that. What do you think the metaphor
• 56:38
  is for the mannequins? Look at how you're holding.
• 56:42
  You think they're? Yeah.
• 56:43
  I just wondered if there's maybe like a deeper meaning?
• 56:45
  Deeper meaning. Like, do you know, do you think
• 56:47
  there's like, you know, an unlocked woman in every
• 56:53
  mannequin that is just there? I need to be fucked.
• 56:56
  I. Think actually what the meaning
• 56:57
  of this movie is is like it's kink positive and I I'm gonna go
• 57:04
  out and say like I appreciate that about this movie.
• 57:07
  It this movie is a non judgmental kink positive movie.
• 57:12
  Not only does it celebrate the queer character in this movie,
• 57:14
  it also celebrates someone with. Alamatapio.
• 57:21
  Agamata Agamata. And it's, it's totally non
• 57:26
  judgmental and it's just basically like, you know what,
• 57:29
  we love alternative lifestyles. Fly that freak fly.
• 57:32
  Exactly. And you know what?
• 57:35
  Because I read, I read in The Guardian a few years ago,
• 57:38
  someone did a piece where they were rewriting like how this
• 57:42
  film could be like through a different lens.
• 57:45
  And I really love it. And they they kind of made it
• 57:47
  into this dark film. So at the ending where he saves
• 57:51
  her, they were like, actually what really happens is he gets
• 57:54
  sucked into the machine and gets killed.
• 57:56
  And then what we see with her, him walking in the distance with
• 58:00
  her and getting married is just like, that's what was in his
• 58:03
  head the whole time. And it's all this just like
• 58:05
  dark. She's never been alive.
• 58:08
  And that's why you. Yeah.
• 58:09
  So I guess it's one or two, isn't it?
• 58:11
  It's either let's be tolerant of alternative lifestyles or
• 58:16
  potentially the dark version is you shouldn't actually encourage
• 58:20
  people's mental delusions because they will end up in a
• 58:23
  wood chipper and it doesn't matter how good their window
• 58:25
  displays are. Get that man some help.
• 58:28
  Also as well, something I just want to really pick up is I am
• 58:32
  worried about this, this couple and their futures together.
• 58:37
  Because they've got nothing. Yeah.
• 58:38
  I just feel like we don't think about the aftercare of these
• 58:41
  these kind of relationships, I mean.
• 58:42
  She's thousands of years old. She's literally done everything.
• 58:45
  Yeah, and also she know she's, you know, in her most recent
• 58:49
  life has just been held captive in a department store at night
• 58:53
  time, being part of window displays.
• 58:57
  I worry like, you know, she's probably going to leave him, I
• 59:01
  don't think. She's going to stay with it.
• 59:02
  Drip. Yeah, as soon as she, like,
• 59:04
  actually gets, you know what, an agency and freedom, she's going
• 59:08
  to realize that he's a loser one.
• 59:09
  Of my favorite quotes in the film, though, was when they were
• 59:12
  talking about the windows and she goes, she was like the
• 59:16
  windows. Oh, they were breathtaking.
• 59:20
  And it's the cycling one. Like she's got this.
• 59:24
  The mannequin version came from Charles, a bit grey as well.
• 59:27
  For some reason they haven't like been able to a colour match
• 59:29
  her skin. But it's just this like grey
• 59:32
  corpse again. It could be a corpse.
• 59:35
  Oh. We've been remodeling.
• 59:37
  Right. The 80s loved a weird concept
• 59:39
  like this, right? Like, think Weekend at Bernie's.
• 59:42
  Yeah. Or splash again.
• 59:44
  It's like how much cocaine was there available in the 80s that
• 59:48
  people were like, Yep, make it. Yeah, do it now.
• 59:51
  Yeah, Oh, you've got a, you've got a zany idea for a a man
• 59:55
  fucking a mannequin. Print it, send it to every
• 59:58
  cinema. Yeah, and every single.
• 1:00:00
  Sequel Order it. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:03
  It's it is a bad, bad, bad movie that I think when you take as
• 1:00:08
  soon as you turn it off and take a step back, you're like, well,
• 1:00:12
  it's fun to think about a bit because.
• 1:00:14
  But it's it's one of those movies like you should not watch
• 1:00:16
  this movie, but I'm glad it exists.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:00:23
  Yeah, I kind of get that. It's heart is in the right
• 1:00:25
  place. It's it's it's well-intentioned.
• 1:00:28
  I think. And because that's one of the
• 1:00:30
  biggest criticism from the critics, isn't it?
• 1:00:32
  This is such an earnest script. Yeah, and it is.
• 1:00:36
  And I guess that's like the younger version of me, the
• 1:00:38
  really young person that would watch this.
• 1:00:40
  I guess that's why I liked it, because it's so fucking simple
• 1:00:42
  to follow. Totally.
• 1:00:43
  But it is weird to basically make like a kids movie that is
• 1:00:46
  so much about fucking Yeah, because it is.
• 1:00:50
  It's basically like the plot is a cartoon.
• 1:00:53
  It's a cartoon or children for like 8 year olds.
• 1:00:56
  That is the level of the plot of this movie, but also with loads
• 1:01:00
  of sex. Yeah, it's just like, And then
• 1:01:01
  they start fucking. Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  The more they fuck, the more magic that happens in the
• 1:01:06
  windows. The more art they create.
• 1:01:10
  I remember reading despite its success in the box office, it
• 1:01:15
  didn't. Kim Cattrall complained that it
• 1:01:17
  didn't really help, you know, with her career as an actor.
• 1:01:19
  And it's like, no shit. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:24
  What do we think of her in this role?
• 1:01:26
  She's vanilla, she's one day, she's boring.
• 1:01:28
  She. Doesn't have enough to do, does
• 1:01:29
  she? I think she's a really great
• 1:01:30
  actor and I think she is sensationalist Samantha.
• 1:01:33
  I think Kim Cattrall outside of that persona though, is quite a
• 1:01:36
  boring person. I know we're watching this
• 1:01:38
  interview. She's so earnest.
• 1:01:40
  Yeah, she's just. And you know she's.
• 1:01:41
  A serious She takes it all very seriously and, you know, fair
• 1:01:44
  play. And it's like the jazz scatting,
• 1:01:46
  isn't it? There's.
• 1:01:47
  She is the jazz scatting clip. Yamaki Pierbo set a right for
• 1:01:52
  cable window Latin equal which is also amazing.
• 1:01:58
  But there's no like like with that.
• 1:02:02
  No, which is so weird that she ended up as like the most campy
• 1:02:06
  character of all time. Yeah, no, I think I for me she
• 1:02:10
  doesn't, although she looks great.
• 1:02:11
  She's obviously like incredibly beautiful and like, there's a
• 1:02:14
  reason why she's a mannequin. Yeah, You know, the way her body
• 1:02:18
  is is sensational, but I I don't know.
• 1:02:19
  There's like nothing there. There's no like wit.
• 1:02:22
  There's no like spark. You know, even Julia Roberts is
• 1:02:26
  someone who I think is a great actress, but I'm not like.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah, but she's also very, like, vanilla, right?
• 1:02:32
  Yeah, but when you see her in comedy roles, she's got that
• 1:02:35
  smile. There's something about a Julia
• 1:02:37
  Roberts moment that you're like, there's a star appeal there that
• 1:02:40
  you just don't have. It's missing a bit, isn't it?
• 1:02:43
  She does get some fun looks though.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, but they're not even that great.
• 1:02:46
  Are. They they're not that great.
• 1:02:48
  I'm I'm scraping the. Barrel I I enjoy her being like
• 1:02:51
  gliding and like Oh my God, she tried to kill the dog and the
• 1:02:54
  guy. The dog dies though, doesn't it?
• 1:02:57
  No, I think it just runs away. Oh, OK.
• 1:03:00
  But yeah, watching an actual mannequin fly around on that
• 1:03:03
  glider, like. In aphasia.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah, worth making a movie just for me to see that.
• 1:03:09
  What are we filming today? What's on the sheet today?
• 1:03:11
  Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's the mannequin going around on that
• 1:03:13
  glider inside the department store.
• 1:03:15
  Great, great. Yeah, Let me see a couple more
• 1:03:16
  lines and then let's go for it. Come.
• 1:03:19
  On You're a genius. God.
• 1:03:23
  Apparently GW Bailey, who played the mall cop, he said.
• 1:03:28
  We didn't think it would ever be released.
• 1:03:29
  I couldn't believe we were filming this.
• 1:03:32
  So at least they knew. I mean, that's the other thing.
• 1:03:34
  Watching this, I'm like, do you think when you make a movie like
• 1:03:36
  this, do you think, oh, this is going to be good?
• 1:03:38
  Do you know what I mean? Like do you think you?
• 1:03:41
  Just there for the paycheck. You there for the paycheck?
• 1:03:43
  Or do you think like, Oh yeah, this could edit out, edit up.
• 1:03:46
  OK, it's hard. It must be hard to tell when
• 1:03:48
  you're like filming slapsticky fight stuff.
• 1:03:51
  You're like, OK, maybe this will maybe this will work, maybe.
• 1:03:53
  But oh God, it is fucking corny. Like so much of the jokes are
• 1:03:58
  just so cringe. This.
• 1:04:00
  I just feel bad watching it. Yeah, there's like, there's not
• 1:04:03
  this like, nostalgic campness I get from it.
• 1:04:06
  It's just like you said, corny. Yeah, it's missing a lot of the
• 1:04:09
  queer joy. Doesn't make me want to fucking
• 1:04:12
  mannequin. And if I'm watching a film about
• 1:04:14
  mannequin fucking, I want to fucking mannequin.
• 1:04:17
  Well, I should want to fucking mannequin after it, you know
• 1:04:19
  what I mean? Yeah, I'm just comparing it now
• 1:04:21
  to like your subservience, which to be fair, did make me want to
• 1:04:28
  fuck. Yes, now that is a sex doll that
• 1:04:31
  knows. And listen, that's not just some
• 1:04:33
  fucking a wet thing like Kim Cattrall is.
• 1:04:37
  She is out to get Megan Fox is out to get everyone killed the
• 1:04:41
  child all in the name of lust. She's a killer.
• 1:04:45
  She's Terminator. It's the reason why it's a camp
• 1:04:48
  classic. Although according to you and
• 1:04:50
  Peaches Christ it isn't a camp classic, but it remains A
• 1:04:53
  campsite to me. I don't really have anything
• 1:04:56
  else to say about this movie. No, it's.
• 1:04:58
  It's amazing that the movie manages to be an hour and a half
• 1:05:01
  long, because it is. It's a 30 minute child's
• 1:05:04
  cartoon. Yeah, totally.
• 1:05:06
  Stretched into an hour and a half.
• 1:05:07
  That's the fucking, isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  And the montages. Yeah, it's like, like, right.
• 1:05:13
  We're just going to have to go the whole song for this montage.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah, we need the running time. And normally when you watch
• 1:05:18
  those montages, especially if it's a makeover, I don't know
• 1:05:20
  about you, but I'm always like, I could do with some more.
• 1:05:22
  I'm always like, that's so enjoyable.
• 1:05:24
  This one was like wow. We're still here doing the whole
• 1:05:28
  track. I think if you are listening to
• 1:05:31
  this episode and you also have fond memories of Mannequin.
• 1:05:35
  Fucking a mannequin. Of the movie Mannequin.
• 1:05:38
  Do not go watch it. Yes, keep your memories intact
• 1:05:42
  of this movie. Let it live as this fun, joyous
• 1:05:46
  thing in your brain. Which is why we shouldn't go to
• 1:05:49
  therapy, I think, because it's a similar thing, isn't it?
• 1:05:53
  It's just like, you know, that's not analyzed too much.
• 1:05:55
  Like, past behaviors, relationships.
• 1:05:57
  Look back because we will unlock some horrible truths.
• 1:06:00
  Like, yeah, I think this is the first film that we've watched
• 1:06:04
  that I'm like, yeah, don't watch it again.
• 1:06:06
  Like love it. Hollywood's queer.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, Hollywood's queer. This movie is great.
• 1:06:12
  It's features songs you love. It's Kim.
• 1:06:16
  It's Mannequin. He's a fabulous black gay guy.
• 1:06:19
  Oh my God. Mannequin is a camp classic
• 1:06:22
  until you watch it. That's just exactly what I mean.
• 1:06:25
  And that's what I will say, if you are making an entrance, if
• 1:06:29
  you are making a suggestion for the suggestion sack, don't just
• 1:06:32
  go based off of some childhood memory.
• 1:06:35
  No, do you know what? No, I know what's happened.
• 1:06:38
  Someone has watched Mannequin recently and they've got really
• 1:06:41
  upset because it's destroyed all of their memories.
• 1:06:43
  And they were hoping we could say that and.
• 1:06:45
  No, and they've gone. I feel shit.
• 1:06:47
  Now let's spread my shit. It's an origin story.
• 1:06:50
  I'm going to put it in the suggestion sack and I'm going to
• 1:06:52
  destroy everyone else's memory. They were hoping that we could
• 1:06:55
  help them save it, and sadly we're not.
• 1:06:59
  No gay enough for that. But this is what I like like
• 1:07:01
  about this podcast because on paper this should be a camp
• 1:07:04
  classic, but I don't think it is.
• 1:07:05
  It's too heterosexual. Yeah, it's a slog to watch.
• 1:07:09
  Bring in more mannequins, Have everyone fucking.
• 1:07:11
  Oh, imagine they all came to life.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, at night time they had a big party.
• 1:07:15
  A big. Orgy.
• 1:07:16
  Imagine Roxy got really dicked down by like a hunky underwear
• 1:07:21
  mannequin. Now we're talking.
• 1:07:25
  OK. Should we rate it?
• 1:07:26
  Let's rate it, yeah. OK, so Liza's and Merrill's, how
• 1:07:31
  many Merrill's are we giving this movie for?
• 1:07:33
  The quality? This movie reminds me of Vamp.
• 1:07:36
  Yes. And it reminds me of Buffy the
• 1:07:39
  movie, and I didn't like either of those movies.
• 1:07:42
  No, but I feel like Vamp had some really cool art direction
• 1:07:46
  exactly whereas this one. Doesn't I'm giving this movie 1
• 1:07:49
  Merrill? Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to think
• 1:07:51
  what the 1 Merrill's. I don't know it exists and and I
• 1:07:55
  think Kim Cattrall is fine. She doesn't deserve nothing.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah. They've got some chemistry.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, 1 then. Groundbreaking 1 Merrill to
• 1:08:07
  Mannequin and Liza's How camp is this movie?
• 1:08:11
  It's not not got some camp. No, because it's like when she
• 1:08:15
  freezes and becomes the mannequin and like like that
• 1:08:17
  first time she poses into that weird position, I did laugh.
• 1:08:21
  Some of it's like true. Some of it's queer joy camp.
• 1:08:24
  Some of it's like, wow, I'm watching the worst movie that's
• 1:08:26
  ever been made, and that's also kind of camp.
• 1:08:29
  I did the extras excitedly, watching the window display
• 1:08:33
  Exactly, yeah. Exactly.
• 1:08:35
  Roxy's kind of camp, some of the fashions, kind of camp.
• 1:08:40
  Hollywood's kind of camp. Take car I guess.
• 1:08:43
  If you were like, and it's a Sunday and you've had like a
• 1:08:45
  huge weekend and you just want to like veg out with something a
• 1:08:49
  bit in the background and you're looking on your phone, then I
• 1:08:51
  think you could probably enjoy this.
• 1:08:52
  Yeah, you. Have as few brain cells as
• 1:08:54
  possible when you watch this movie.
• 1:08:55
  Yeah, and you'd be fine with it. OK, So for that it's 5.
• 1:08:58
  Sure. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:00
  I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's right.
• 1:09:03
  Some people are still going to think this is a camp movie.
• 1:09:06
  They're wrong. Well.
• 1:09:07
  It's a 5. It's not where you should go
• 1:09:09
  when you need a real fisting of camp.
• 1:09:14
  But if you just want a little a little dollop in your tea, I.
• 1:09:17
  Guess it's like fucking a mannequin.
• 1:09:18
  It's like, it's never going to be like fucking human, but it
• 1:09:21
  it. Might leave you a bit chafed and
• 1:09:23
  dry. Do you think is?
• 1:09:26
  He just like rubbing. Yeah, this is it.
• 1:09:28
  Also if if when she's alive and then someone catches them having
• 1:09:32
  sex and so she turns back to a mannequin.
• 1:09:34
  Is he? What happened?
• 1:09:36
  Is his Dick enclosed in her mannequin form?
• 1:09:38
  Or does it get like ejected? No.
• 1:09:42
  You see that big questions, big questions, but maybe he was not.
• 1:09:44
  Brave enough to answer. That and I don't know if we'll
• 1:09:47
  ever get the answers to those questions.
• 1:09:48
  Maybe in Mannequin too. Maybe that's what on the move
• 1:09:51
  means. It's about being ejected
• 1:09:52
  forcibly from a mannequin which has gone from living to statue.
• 1:09:57
  OK, great. Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Fabulous. Probably.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, I assume. There you go.
• 1:10:02
  That was Mannequin. That was Mannequin, and we'll be
• 1:10:04
  back in two more weeks. Oh wait, should we?
• 1:10:06
  Quickly. Do you dare?
• 1:10:09
  Yeah, go on. Quickly from the suggestion,
• 1:10:12
  sack the next movie we are covering.
• 1:10:15
  Get your fist right in there like you're trying to get it to
• 1:10:18
  come to life. An upcoming movie we are
• 1:10:21
  covering is. OK.
• 1:10:24
  Direct from the sack. Oh, here it is, right.
• 1:10:28
  We are doing Troop Beverly Hills and that is by Niall.
• 1:10:32
  Sent that one in Oh. Thank you, Niall.
• 1:10:34
  Hi, Niall. That's fun.
• 1:10:36
  Yeah, I think Troop Beverly Hills.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah, I think Troop Beverly Hills also has a cartoon intro.
• 1:10:42
  Oh, there you go. It's going to be like this.
• 1:10:44
  Movie. I'm presuming because it's about
• 1:10:47
  Girl Scouts. There isn't going to be as much
• 1:10:48
  fucking as Mannequin. Just presuming.
• 1:10:51
  You never know though, it was the 80s.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah, the 80s. There was a lot of cocaine.
• 1:10:54
  OK, we'll tune in for that episode.
• 1:10:56
  I can't wait to explore that one.
• 1:10:59
  And you know what? Mannequin did try, but it
• 1:11:02
  couldn't. Nothing is going to stop us.
• 1:11:04
  That was such a forced closer. Wow.
• 1:11:16
  Get away from her you bitch. Classic.
• 1:11:21
  He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
• 1:11:25
  right before she died. No.
• 1:11:29
  Hannah, you thought you become a prostitute or a dog.
• 1:11:33
  At it I used to love. Doggy chow.
• 1:11:37
  I used to love doggy chest too.