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Desperate Housewives · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 1: Hey tolerators, listens to all the men I've tolerated before
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  Speaker 1: with Napoli Katona, your weekly look at everyday misogyny. This
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  Speaker 1: week we have Margaret, host of Smash Hit Back on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. You'll remember Margaret from our awesome episode of
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  Speaker 1: nostalgia based in the Olsen Twins lore. We're like, I
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  Speaker 1: still get comments on moost TikTok videos because people were
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  Speaker 1: like the Olsen Twins. And then I go, there's a
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  Speaker 1: secret folder online that you can watch all the movies.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. And just now before we hit we got
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  Speaker 2: on the mic and I should have saved the video
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  Speaker 2: and sent it to you. But there was a guy
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  Speaker 2: who basically did like then and now photos of all
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  Speaker 2: the Olsen twin boyfriends from all the movies.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, because none of them act anymore, right, they
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  Speaker 1: were probably just boys from the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like most of that, like one legitimately is
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  Speaker 2: a lifeguard as a career, and I think like the
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  Speaker 2: most famous ones were Jesse Spencer, who was on House
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  Speaker 2: and I think now he like he was really cute
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  Speaker 2: and he's still cute, but now he does Hallmark movies.
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  Speaker 2: And then Jared Padillaki. I don't know how to say
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  Speaker 2: his last name, but Dean from Gilmart Girls, which I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm a Jess girl, so I don't follow
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  Speaker 2: Jared's career.
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  Speaker 1: I am also a just girl. And I've never I
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  Speaker 1: think I've watched one and a half episodes of Supernatural.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like a show I should be into.
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  Speaker 2: I never watched it. See, I thought you were going
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  Speaker 2: to say I've only seen one and a half episodes
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  Speaker 2: of Gilmer Girls.
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  Speaker 1: So friend, I've seen and the reboot, and I like
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  Speaker 1: the musical episode from the reboot because Sutton Foster is
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  Speaker 1: a goddess. I'll bring us to the topic at hand,
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  Speaker 1: which is I rewatched all of Desperate Housewives and now
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  Speaker 1: I need to bitch about the husbands. Thank you, Margaret
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  Speaker 1: for indulging me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I enjoy I as like
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  Speaker 2: an observer of your Desperate Housewives journey on social media.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it, so I'm excited to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I started to make tiktoks dedicated to each husband, and
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  Speaker 1: then I was like, why am I robbing myself podcast
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  Speaker 1: content when I could literally do this as a full episode.
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  Speaker 1: Then cut those down to tiktoks. But what is your
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  Speaker 1: background on Desperate Housewives? Did you watch it in real time?
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  Speaker 1: Did you wait until it streamed?
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  Speaker 2: I did watch it in real time, and I was
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  Speaker 2: legitimately obsessed, so obsessed. And this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: like the dorkiest where I'm about to go into like
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  Speaker 2: the dorkiest high school territory here. But I was on
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  Speaker 2: the speech team and we do okay. So I did
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  Speaker 2: extemporaneous speaking. Oh, that one was okay. So for listeners
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  Speaker 2: at home who don't know what it is, we'd have
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  Speaker 2: like these suitcases of like Newsweek magazines and old New
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  Speaker 2: York Times articles, and you'd pull a topic out of
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  Speaker 2: a hat and it usually was like geopolitical, and it
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  Speaker 2: would be like should Iceland join NATO and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: and you'd have to go into these suitcases and like
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  Speaker 2: randomly find quotes and statistics and give a speech about that.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a practice and I can't it was
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  Speaker 2: I want to say it was like either NATO related
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  Speaker 2: or like G ten related, where it was like should
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  Speaker 2: this country join this big group? And I said no,
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  Speaker 2: because it would be akin to trying to add another
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  Speaker 2: cast member to Desperate Housewives, and the only way to
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  Speaker 2: do that would be to make Julia Roberts despert Housewives,
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  Speaker 2: because that's how big that show was at the time,
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  Speaker 2: that it was like pandemonium obsession about the show and
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  Speaker 2: like skyrocketed these ladies into the stratosphere of fame that
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't even fathom like adding anyone else. And that
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  Speaker 2: was my practice, and it probably was one of the
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  Speaker 2: best speeches I've ever given, because obviously I was very
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  Speaker 2: passionate about the subject. I have tried to rewatch it,
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  Speaker 2: but I find that it's a little difficult to be
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  Speaker 2: one of those It's hard to have one of those
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  Speaker 2: shows on in the background while my kids are still
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  Speaker 2: floating around, so it has to become like the kids
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  Speaker 2: are asleep, this is a show to watch. But there's
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  Speaker 2: so many other shows that I would like to watch
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  Speaker 2: that are current that I feel like I cannot participate
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  Speaker 2: in the world without being up to date on Secret
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  Speaker 2: Lives and mourning Lives and just other shows that Desperate Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't have that time to dedicate to
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  Speaker 2: binging it all now that it's on streaming, but I
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  Speaker 2: do like to watch the clips as they come up
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  Speaker 2: on Facebook reels and Instagram reels.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's why I rewatched it is because
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  Speaker 1: Facebook was like, remember remember this show? And then I
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  Speaker 1: convinced myself it was a comp to the pilot I
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  Speaker 1: was writing because I was like, their ladies just living
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  Speaker 1: in suburbia who also kind of do crimes, but not really,
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  Speaker 1: that's my show in a different text bracket. And then
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  Speaker 1: I rewatched all of Lost. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you know this, but there are so many women who
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  Speaker 1: are cast members of Lost and they get like a
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  Speaker 1: seventh of the lines of every episode of Lost. So
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  Speaker 1: that enraged me, and I was like, why did we
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  Speaker 1: think that Lost was so good? And then my mother
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  Speaker 1: recently told me mad Men is still so good, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I tried to rewatch Madmin and it
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  Speaker 1: made my stomach hurt and I stopped. And then I
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  Speaker 1: was like, why am I rewatching these shows that care
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  Speaker 1: about men when I could be rewatching Desperate Housewives? And
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  Speaker 1: then I rolled right into Devious Maids.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, I see I never did Devious Maids, but I
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  Speaker 2: know that I would love it.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fun. And I and both of those shows
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  Speaker 1: walked so like why women kill could sprint and then
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  Speaker 1: get hit by a truck because we don't make TV
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  Speaker 1: that likes women anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Right or even like big big Little lies. And I
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  Speaker 2: always butcher the name of it because it's terrible name.
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  Speaker 2: But on Apple TV right now, imperfect women. Are you
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  Speaker 2: watching that one with Jary Washington? Okay, we might have
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  Speaker 2: to do a sidebar on that one because I have
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  Speaker 2: so many thoughts and that one also that also has
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  Speaker 2: duddy husbands in it as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I might be an episode behind. It's hard. I
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  Speaker 1: yearn for weekly appointment TV and then the moment I like,
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  Speaker 1: for three weeks, I'm really strong on it, and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't do it. I'm a busy lady.
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  Speaker 1: And by a busy lady, I mean I'm rewatching Summer
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  Speaker 1: House for clues. We're just clues that Amanda was always
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  Speaker 1: going to betray us. But I I am also a
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  Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives from day one, Stan and your dirty thing
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  Speaker 1: is speech and debate related. I had the computer game
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  Speaker 1: that was a ripoff of the SIMS.
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  Speaker 2: That was Desperate Housewives themed.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was a Desperate Housewives like computer game. You
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  Speaker 1: could play any and all of them, and you could
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  Speaker 1: switch and The only reason I remembered I had this
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  Speaker 1: game is because I was watching the first season and
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  Speaker 1: literal pixelated scenarios of like Susan Delpino as a sim
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  Speaker 1: starting playing in my head, and I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: made Ead brit fuck everyone on that computer game. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, and I don't think you could make
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  Speaker 1: the men on. I think you could make the women kissed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you could make the men kiss And
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  Speaker 1: it pleased someone write in and tell me I made
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  Speaker 1: everyone kissed. And it was always like so salatious because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever played the sims, but
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  Speaker 1: they don't speak, so they have like their own language.
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  Speaker 1: It's called simlish. But Desperate Housewives would like you'd put
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  Speaker 1: them in a sexy scenario and they'd be like, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Young, I shouldn't because I think you're so scary.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wow. No.
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  Speaker 1: So that was my and I texted my sister it
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  Speaker 1: was like, why am I having flashbacks to me producing
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  Speaker 1: my own Desperate Housewives episodes on like a very old
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  Speaker 1: PC and you used. It was akin to but it
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  Speaker 1: was better quality than the American Girl Doll computer outer game,
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  Speaker 1: where you got to produce plays that the American Girl.
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  Speaker 2: Oh see, I would have been into that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why I didn't. I don't know what we didn't like. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of like we were late
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  Speaker 2: to get cable. We were late to get a compute
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  Speaker 2: that I think probably when like my peak American girl
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  Speaker 2: doll game playing games were like would have been we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a computer yet, because that sounds right at
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  Speaker 2: my alley. But you definitely like have answered my question
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  Speaker 2: because sometimes I'll get the ads for like the Netflix
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  Speaker 2: Love Is Blind game or whatever, and I'm like, who,
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  Speaker 2: who who are these people that are playing these games?
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Will say that while we are gonna focus a lot
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  Speaker 1: of our time making fun of these terrible terrible husbands,
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  Speaker 1: Desperate Housewives was groundbreaking television. I literally forgot that they
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  Speaker 1: all went season one drop. The actresses as well as
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  Speaker 1: the characters that they were playing, were well into their
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  Speaker 1: thirties and forties. I know Nikolae Sheridan was the oldest,
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  Speaker 1: and she was somewhere between like forty three to forty seven,
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  Speaker 1: playing eighty brit and that in a dramedy on primetime
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  Speaker 1: ABC instead of just like a Murphy sitcom. Unheard of
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  Speaker 1: having real aged women on TV kissing people. Ew, but
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  Speaker 1: it was fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the impetus of how we decided
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  Speaker 2: this was going to be our episode was because I
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  Speaker 2: found a reel where it went through the what ages
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  Speaker 2: they were all supposed to be, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: was Gabby that was the only one that was in
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  Speaker 2: her twenties and I could not like, I am Susan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in my Susan Delpino era right now, which is
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me because I do remember watching watching it
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  Speaker 2: and I think we were we in high school or
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  Speaker 2: junior high when this dropped.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. I should have looked up at a release date.
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  Speaker 1: I know I did while I was rewatching it. Is
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  Speaker 1: the problem. I feel like I was in high school
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  Speaker 1: and then it finished when I was in college, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Think it was high I think it must have been
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  Speaker 2: early high.
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  Speaker 1: School two thousand and four, so I graduated two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I remember thinking that they were like in
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  Speaker 2: my mind and my fourteen year old mind, Susan Delphina
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  Speaker 2: was so old.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well, and I was like, oh my gosh, well
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  Speaker 1: because she was a baby. I had watched baby, actual
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  Speaker 1: baby Terry Hatcher in The Spider Man, Lewis and Clark Show,
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  Speaker 1: because I watched a lot of TV as a child,
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  Speaker 1: and it was all grown up TV, and every once
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: in a while Clarissa explains it all. So like, Terry
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  Speaker 1: Hatcher kind of really didn't do much in between Lewis
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  Speaker 1: and Clark and Desperate Housewives, and I remember that she
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  Speaker 1: was the big git of the series, like it was
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  Speaker 1: her return to primetime TV, right, yeah, mm hmm. And
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: when I say that, like Desperate Housewives is why I
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  Speaker 1: love camp, It's why I love like suburban mysteries where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, I'm a rich lady, but sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: do bad things. It's perfect television.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, yeah, you think it's ridiculous. But as now
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  Speaker 2: as suburban lady myself, there's some crazy shit that goes
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  Speaker 2: down in the suburbs that you wouldn't think. That's it's
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  Speaker 2: totally like life ivitates art.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and as I moved further into my thirties and
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  Speaker 1: closer to forty, I realized that like every suburban housewife, mother,
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  Speaker 1: working mother, they all have secret lives that none of
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  Speaker 1: their children can ever comprehend. Right, yeah, and then you're
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  Speaker 1: an adult trying to comprehend your mother's secret life.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's number one Titanic. A woman's heart is a
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  Speaker 2: deepotion of secrets. And then I'll call out what my
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  Speaker 2: husband always used to say when we were dating, is
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: he said that, like, in his mind, it's okay to
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  Speaker 2: have that ten percent where that's yours and no one
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  Speaker 2: else knows. And that was what was so cool about
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  Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives was that you had these characters that had
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  Speaker 2: these ten percent lives, so we got to see and
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  Speaker 2: then see how they intersect when sometimes they didn't even
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  Speaker 2: realize they were going to intersect.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I will say I've done a full rewatch,
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  Speaker 1: and I am going to go on the record and
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  Speaker 1: say that it holds up as a show by twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six standards if you go in realizing what White
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  Speaker 1: Suburbia is really all about. Because the second season does
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  Speaker 1: get a little weird with like because it's a it's
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: an African American family. They've got a kid locked up
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  Speaker 1: in the attic slash basement and it's because he was violent,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like this one, I was like, I'm uncomfy,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's fine. We should be uncomfy with
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  Speaker 1: the season. But other than that, I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: holds up.
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  Speaker 2: It does, and it's like going back on camp shows too.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to do a rewatch of Ugly Betty, uh huh,
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  Speaker 2: which I think kind of similarly had that sort of
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  Speaker 2: like dramedy camp vibe. Ugly Betty does not hold up whatsoever, no,
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  Speaker 2: in a way that I like for Ugly, Like, I
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  Speaker 2: felt like half the time I had to watch it
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  Speaker 2: through my fingers because I'm like, this is so offensive.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And when Ugly Betty was airing on TV, I
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  Speaker 1: made it through the pilot and then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I cringed when Ugly Betty was on TV,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like mad at America Ferrera because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't understand the ugly because I was a dumb teenager
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  Speaker 1: and we didn't always have easy internet. I didn't realize
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: that Ugly Betty was an Americanized version of a telenovela,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: and like, clearly I would know that now, but I
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  Speaker 1: was so mad that America Ferrera would like take a dumpy,
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  Speaker 1: ugly role as like a really hot Latina plus sized woman.
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  Speaker 1: I was mad at her, and then it was Cringey
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  Speaker 1: on top of that. I a couple of years ago. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, watch all of Ugly Betty and I
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  Speaker 1: loved it, But it is like a Cringey watch. But
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  Speaker 1: I love Michael Ury.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I love him and everything Redmond and Younger
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  Speaker 2: so good.
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  Speaker 1: I love you Michael Yury. Speaking of Michael Ury, wait,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: hold on, I don't actually know Michael Ury is a sexuality.
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  Speaker 1: And I was gonna be like desper Housewives was one
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  Speaker 1: of the first TV shows I watched gay people just
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  Speaker 1: get to be in a neighborhood and that be fine
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  Speaker 1: with Bob and Lee, and they got to be like
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  Speaker 1: a real married couple who like thought they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be like a pillar of the community. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I love Bob and Lee, I will say this, so
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  Speaker 1: we never got to We got to watch them plan
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  Speaker 1: their commit ceremony, but we never got to see the
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  Speaker 1: commitment ceremony. And I went, that's so early two thousands
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  Speaker 1: where it's like, we're okay with gay people to a point, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but they are. I think I ranked the problematic husbands
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  Speaker 1: and I do have Bobb and Lee as like they're
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  Speaker 1: the least problematic. And I wanted you to guess my
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: how do you think I ordered the husband's when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to problematic, Okay, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think number one is Lennett's husband as the worst or
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  Speaker 2: the best as the worst?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, Tom Scottish should die dangerous like dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Dangerous guy. No, I think he's the worst. I'm gonna
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: say Carlos is kind of towards the unproblematic. Okay, like
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  Speaker 2: the bottom bottom fifty of I'm problematic. I always kind
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of had a soft spot for Orson, like he was
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a kook, but I felt like he was perfect for Bray.
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  Speaker 2: Is Mike Delfino on your list?
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  Speaker 1: He is? He's a husband.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say he's up there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as one of the better ones are the problematic, that's.
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  Speaker 2: One of the problematic ones.
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  Speaker 1: Oh see, I thought that that would be too controversial.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that everyone loves Mike Filpino, but I want
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  Speaker 1: to point out he has quite the temper problem. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he falls into one of the stereotypes. I cannot stand
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  Speaker 1: where he's like noble poor but mad at you that
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  Speaker 1: he has to be noble about being poor, and it's
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  Speaker 1: like no one's asking you to be.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, if we're going to go on the like handyman, noble,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: poor tangent. I think we need to detail this into
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  Speaker 2: the materialists. Yes, because you told me to watch it,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and then you were going you were going to rewrite
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  Speaker 2: it for me. I like, I gave it like a
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  Speaker 2: seven out of ten. I enjoyed it. But the one
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: thing I really didn't like was Chris Evans's character in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning. They're so toxic together. Yeah, that fight that
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  Speaker 2: they're having is so terrible that I watched that and
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  Speaker 2: I thought these two should not be together period.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole thing is like, well, he's angry, Pusey's poor,
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  Speaker 1: We're all angry about being poor. It's twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: None of us are having a good time. It's the fair.
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  Speaker 1: And also you learn more about Chris Evans's character like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you do Mike Filpino's, and you keep realizing that they
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: keep putting money on the table, like leaving money on
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  Speaker 1: the table. It's like, well, he could have taken commercials,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: but he's a real actor, right, what are you talking about?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I bet you Chris Evans has been in a commercial.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Or the Elizabeth Moss's husband in Imperfect Husbands right now,
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  Speaker 2: where their whole storyline is they may have to move
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: because he's a professor and he's not willing to teach
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: what is like those perceived sexy classes now about like
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: English literature through the lens of TikTok, And so he'd
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: rather be like unemployed and blowing his entire life up
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: because he has these morals that he thinks he has
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to live up too.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And with Mike Delpino, it's all like this fake hausad
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: where it's like, well, I can't just ask old people
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: to pay me for the plumbing that I do for them.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And it's like, man, that's ridiculous.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Yeah, the old people know that they have
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to pay you.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And then and I hate because I think the most
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: dangerous man to me is the fake, noble nice guy
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: where it's like, well, everything I'm doing is just because
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a good guy. Meanwhile, like Susan had to inter
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: sex work, Mike had a pill addiction because of all
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: of his bullshit, and then Susan had to intersects work,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and then Mike gets got because he turns down organized crime.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I was doing a little googling on air, and I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: forgot how I always thought I would be curious sick
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: if you think he's hot. But the guy who played
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Susan's ex.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Husband, Carl, Yeah, who is on the list.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Carl is so hot and still is he holds up,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: he looks really good.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Carl is very hot in that very toxic alpha male way.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And why didn't you put Carl off this list? I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: will also say that Carl is in Devious Maids and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: he's just as hot. If that will push you to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: watch Devious Maids.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I will totally watch it, Yes, absolutely, And then
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: we forgot one Rex. Where's Rex on your list?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So okay, I will reveal my ranking. I'm gonna go
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: from least problematic to the most problematic. Okay, I'm ready,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Bob and Lee. Least problematic, you're just the innocent gay
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: couple who is wrapped up into all of the drama.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Mike Delfino, And now I'm rethinking my list. Next orson Hodge,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Next Paul Young, after orson car because I believe that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Paul Young was a good husband before Alice killed herself,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so he couldn't be Then it's Carlos Alice because of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: his temper, I don't like it, and he uses his
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: money to manipulate people. I don't like it Rex be
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: in a camp because he literally just hated Brief for
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: being the person that she was. Yeah, and then Tom
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Scavo because Tom Scavo should die. And now I don't
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: know where I would put Carl on that list. I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: would probably put Carl in between Orson and Paul because
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: it does bother me that Carl's whole shtick is I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: never did anything wrong, even though I cheated on you
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: dozens of times. I don't know why you would divorce me.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Susie Q like he always just wants to show up
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: cute places and it's like, Carl, You're not cute, right?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: And that was such a trope too. I felt like
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: there were a lot of just like midlife crisis storylines
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: on television during that time, and it was it seemed
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: like on every single show you'd flip in and be
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: like the ex husband who's like, oh, I want to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: come back home, I miss you. Let's be a family,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and it just it got old.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: The whole premise of Riba is that RIBA's ex husband
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: knocks up his dental assistant, and then the moment she
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: has that baby or whatever, he's like Riba, maybe I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: love you and she's like, you've had a full ass baby.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I loved Reba. Oh gosh, I was
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: so good. That was a good one too.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it also Recks and the ex husband on
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Riba very similar vibes.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely and I And going back to what
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: we said about sort of the it's almost like those
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: when you have that kind of ick vibe about the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: couple who have to say how much they love each
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: other publicly, that you know that there's something wrong under
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the surface. That it's similar to the people who have
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: to make it publicly known that they're nice, that they
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: have these standards and that they're trying to do you
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a solid, that usually they're not doing you a solid.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And as we're talking, I'm realizing that Despert Housewives also
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: flipped on its head the fact that the husbands were
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: really the more tropy ones compared to their wives, like
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: every white technically served a trope per. Yeah, definitely, Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: but they still were given more nuance than I think
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the husbands were given. However, I'm still very mad that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the public opinion is like poor Tom Stavo married to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that nag Lynette, and I'm like, no, every time his
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: life was in danger, I'm like, take him out of here.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think too this show wait, like the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Linette carecharacter and breed to a certain extent, and we
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: didn't have the language to express it yet, but the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: invisible load of motherhood and parenthood and like running a household,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: taking like that sort of subservient role in a marriage
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: and kind of trying to take care of everything. Like
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you saw these women that were kind of cracking and
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: crumbling under these expectations of their husbands because we didn't
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: we like we as a society didn't have that language
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: yet to be able to talk to our partners about like, hey,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this is really upsetting me because of X Y and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Z or I need you to do X that. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: do feel like we have learned so much about how
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: to make like a relationship and a marriage successful and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: like share that load or at least have a better
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: understanding of who's carrying what load. That you see these
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: characters who in a time where they're these conversations weren't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: being had.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, I will say too, both Tom and Rhett
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: being those men who you're running circles for and they
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: hate you anyways.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It's hard to even verbalize how mad that makes me,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: because it's like, hey, Lenna, you could have twenty two
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of his kids and at the end of the day
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: he has some sort of pregnancy like spread my seed, kink,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: he's gonna make you have twenty three. And he was
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: never listening to her no, when he's like, what's the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: big deal if we have eight kids, and she's like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: everything is a big deal. If we I am one more.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Really drowning right now, and You're not like you're you're fine,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: but I'm drowning.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm known in the neighborhood as the lady who
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: cannot keep track of her kids. And I used to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be a successful business lady who could keep track of everything, right.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And I think I think the very trope language surrounding
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the nag is so fascinating anyways, because I think if
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we like could do an entire and we could do
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: an entire episode on just nag culture, It's like, those
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: are the women we should have the most empathy for,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: because they have to keep repeating themselves to what they say.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Now, did you watch DTF Saint Louis?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't yet, but I've heard it's nuts.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And it's nuts, and you have to watch it because
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: there there is like a there's like a nagging woman
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: trope that in the final episode they do this like
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: rep backstory of reveal and you're just like, it blows
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: your mind.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And the thing that always broke my heart about Tom
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and Lynnett is that people would tell the net, well,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you don't deserve Tom, he's so nice, and she fucking
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: believed everybody, m m m. And then I truly thought
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that the finale of the show ends with them still
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: divorced and finalizing it. And when they were like and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: then Lynette moved out of the neighborhood and her and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Tom got a penthouse in a big city and they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: were both successful business people who still love one another.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm just screaming. I'm like, what do you mean
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: she never got to escape him? Why won't he die?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I cannot get on that train. I will say, I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: totally fell for that. Did you watch the Affair?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: No?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a similar ending where like the couple
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that wants divorced and they got to I was fully
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: on that train by the end because I'm like, oh,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: we've been on this journey like they'll figure it out.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: But Lynette and Tom, No, I'm not on that train.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: No, I truly want heart. Thank God that actor's never
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: been in anything else, because I think that, like I
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: would have had some sort of stroke or heart attack. You.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think I've seen him in anything.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I guess this will just be the Tomscavo episode, the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: way that he's always secretly whining in that very men
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: don't whine way where he's just like Lynette, I don't know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I like Parmesan and you didn't get it, and I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: worked so hard. I was like, I hate yeah, dup.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Okay, we might need to do like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: an emergency episode recording because he played Doug Hutchinson and
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I was a child bride the Courtney Stoddon story.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: God, I love a Lifetime movie.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it's so this movie is so low run.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even have a hyperlink on Wikipedia.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: The theme about Tom Scappo is there's a certain type
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of husband that weaponizes marriage against you every day, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Rex Mandicamp is also one because you know, Lepprie walked
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: down that aisle and she and all of her trauma.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Knew that Rex expected of perfect wife, and there were
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: probably moments where Rex dog Debris for not being a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: perfect wife, and then she became the perfect, own, cold
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: wife that she was, and Rex was like, actually, I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: just want to be stepped on by the neighbor. Okay.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: It was so dark and so iconic when she tried
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to poison him with onions at the salad bar, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: like that I seem her remember like that was really
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: controversial that people were like, what is this smut on
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: television with this woman trying to kill her husband.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: The best part of that bit is that she did
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it subconsciously. She did not even mean to, like I'm
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: here actively being like, what are your allergies? Just in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: case I need to know, not for safety reasons, for
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: harm reasons, And Brie is just literally making his salad
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at the salad bar and slapping salad down and she
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: fully puts death onions on it, and he starts to choke,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and she just starts telling him I didn't because I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: wouldn't because I do think that this is something that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you and I grew up seeing, where it was like
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the Lynettes in the Breeze of the World running ragget
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to be perfect and then their husbands were secretly resenting
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: them all along. Another controversial because I started looking at
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Reddit stuff while I was watching This is My New
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like kink is to make myself mad by looking at Reddit.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Another controversial storyline was Tom's love child and how she
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: was like an evil, devious little girl who was like
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: actively trying to like in prison, look at to have Tom.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But also I think that people are just like focusing,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like why would you make a child evil? I don't
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: know that kid had baggage. I don't know.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Well, well, the annoy the annoying love child though was
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: super common. Yes, like not that she was evil, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: she was super annoying. But Luke's loved child that showed
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: up and ruined Gilmour girls essentially.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Correct, and we blamed the child. It's the two adults
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to work it out. I love when we blame the child.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Or like how cousin Oliver was the shark that the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Brady books, so they were like, we can't have a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: dog and a cousin. That's ridiculous.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's definitely fun to rewatch all these shows
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that we were all watching and now to be grown
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: ups are sometimes like the same age as some of
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: these characters, and you're like, get lady, get yours together.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, I also like, so the little girl is evil
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and she keeps trying to like get Lynette and harm
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the other children, and we want to blame that little
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: girl for having baggage. But instead I'm looking at Tom
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you've never taken your wife seriously once
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: she's literally and I get it, she's your love child.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Her mom was killed at a grocery store, also something
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Lynette through, and you didn't like Lynette had to witness
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it the way that Tom just over and over and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: over dismissed everything that Lynette said to the point where
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, where she's like, she's trying to kill me
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and our other children, and He's like, I think you're overreacting.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And there's a show that that's starting to happen on
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I've been down this road before
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to be able to remember it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: right now. But oh, Carlos Salie because you were like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty okay guy. I an't like that. Carlos
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Salessee always kept Gabby in a scarcity anxiety panic, even
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: when they were rich with money. Because when they were
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: rich with money, he kept her at an affection and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: love scarcity mindset, and that's how she ends up sleeping
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: with the teenager teenage gardener. I'm not ignoring it. I'm
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: very aware that that's what happens. It used to be
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a trope that millennials watched all the time. We lived
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: through Pretty Little Liars where it was fine to sleep
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: with your teacher. Okay, we grew up on Lifetime. There
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: were several movies where it was fine to sleep with
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: your teacher. Okay, I'm not ignoring that he was sixteen seventeen.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But I think that Gabby, despite the fact that she's Gabby,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is such an empathetic character because I'm like, well, he
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: keeps manipulating you by keeping you in a place where
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: you're constantly grasping for anything from him because he viewed
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: her as just a trophy, like he got her.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about Gabby for a minute?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: We always can Because of.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: One of the clips that as I watched it in
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like thirty three seconds snippets over the past few weeks
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that really stood out to me was a clip during
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Lynette's cancer where she was kind of going over what
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: her treatment is going to be, and she has to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: be at the hospital here, here, here, and everyone does
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the fair thing where they offer like, oh, i'll take
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: you Wednesday, I'll take you Tuesday. And she is so
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: infuriated with Gabby that Gabby doesn't volunteer, and then they
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: pull back and later on they had a conversation and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Gabby's able to like communicate like, well, you know what,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I have this trauma around hospitals, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I have this trauma around death and it really scares me.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And it was such a great grown up conversation amongst friends.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: But watching it again for the first time in a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: long time, and I have so much sympathy for Lynette.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously she was married to Tom of just like the
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: assumption though that she just felt that like, in order
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: to be her friend, you had to do this for
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: her during her cancer battle.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: And I do think that that is a product of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Lynette's marriage. And I know this because as a Capricorn,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I recently a friend and made a point to tell me, hey,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I made sure that my husband didn't try to take
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: me out to dinner on Thursday, because I want to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: come to your stand up Showcase, and I was like, honestly,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that's one of the nicest things that you can tell me,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: because in my head, as an eldest daughter capricord, my
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: go to is no one's ever going to help me.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: So like watching Lynnette's cancer battle and like watching her
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: like try to orchestrate it and make it okay for
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Tom and the kids, Tom wanting to have sex with
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: her while she's like knee deep in kids in cancer,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: which which is something that's hampening in reality TV right now,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: where it's like Secret Lives and Mormon Wives and The
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Valley with Kristen Doty. I keep having to watch these
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: mid men look at their beautiful wives with a baby
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: attached to their tick, going whyn't Youami sucks with me.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand. It's been six and a half weeks.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: The doctor said it's fine, right, yeah, And I understood
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: where Lynette was coming from, because it always does feel
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: like no one's going to help you, and then it's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a mountain to ask people to help you and then
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to be proven right that no one is actually could
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: or like everyone's helping you. But Gabby, I understood the resentment.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I do believe that that is a beautiful, mature conversation
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: that shows the depths and the nuance of female friendships.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And we're also in such a weird moment with friendships
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in general right now, where it's like everyone gets to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: throw out like, well, I know that I told you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: i'd take you somewhere for your birthday three months ago,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: but I woke up today and the vibes are off,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and you must respect my boundary where we therapy speech
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the fuck out of our friendships that no one truly
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: can count on anyone anymore, and it's actually rude for
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you to think that you should be able to count
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: on people. It's very isolating. And I feel like my
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: mom recently went through breast cancer treatments and everything's fine,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: we don't have to get into the nitty gritty of it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But I remember being so sad that like when I said, like, hey,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I am a mostly underemployed person. My schedule can be whatever,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: whenever do you need me to come stay or like
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to go with you, or is like your husband going
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to take off work to like sit with you or whatever,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And she like, and it might be because of COVID,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: or she might have lied to me, and it could
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: be any of it and everything is fine. But she
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: basically told me that no one's allowed to sit with
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you anymore at chemo. And I was like, what do
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you mean, no one's allowed to sit with you anymore
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: at chemo? And she's like, no, I'm just going to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: get my kindle and an audio book and I'm going
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to do my crosswords and no one needs to sit
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: with me because no one's allowed to. And I was like,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: cancer is already so isolating, and it's already so hard
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: for mothers to ask and accept help anyways, right, And
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: then I've been in numerous situations where like the wife
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and the mother of the family, the caretaker of the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: family goes down with an illness and the other adult
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in the room does not step up to fill half
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of the rules that she was doing that I just
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: couldn't imagine doing it. And I also I thought that
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that was a really good growth moment for Gabby, because
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Gabby Gary often does not name the elephant in the
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: room of what is upsetting her. And I have like
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: a weird I have like a weird thing with heat
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: where I get overheated really easily, and no one ever
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: wants to take me seriously when I'm nauseous, so I
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: just like deal with it, and then I'm like, I'll
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: just die. I guess I don't know. And I was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like telling her friend about it the other day, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, everyone acts like you're a base if
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you overheat easily and you don't want to be at
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the amusement park writing roller coasters all day because you're
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: gonna die. I go. But it's like literally a side
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: of that of my medication. It's something I cannot control,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I don't know. It feels like
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: a very and again, it's a woman driven show, so
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a very female driven plot point. Well, yeah,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of course it's a show about women and their friendships.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: But also, like, did Susan Delfino actually take the check
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: from Brie when the when like Mike got them into
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: enormous amounts of debt and they were going to lose
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: their house or whatever, and Brie was like, I have
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: so much money, take the money, and Susan was like
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: too proud to do it, or Mike was too proud
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to let her take it or whatever, and it's like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think I think what the show really highlighted
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: is how often women are going to go the distance
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to help one another, and how you have to just
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like keep fistfighting the men in your life to let
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: us go the distance. That was a really long tangent.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I made a point, but yeah, Carlos.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: First off, his temper does scare me. I because I'm
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: so far removed from men in general. When men are
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: loud and angry, my entire nervous system gets out of whack.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Carlos is a nightmare. He's an abusive husband,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: and he is the machismo trope that people are trying
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to get away with away from and I and then
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it was it's that type of manipulation that's really hard
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to describe when you're like, I'm technically given everything in
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: my marriage and nothing at the same time, and it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: always on his terms. And then when he goes blind
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and can no longer work or has been prison and
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: can no longer work, and she's raising the two Braddy's
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: children we've ever encounted. And then when he can see
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: again and he just wants to dog her for days
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: on and about the things that she had to sell.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: She goes, we had to sell things because you had
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to go to the doctor or this one had a
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: cavity or whatever. Gabby is such an interesting case study
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: because she is so vain, Like I don't know if
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you remember the episode where her daughter wants to put
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: on all of her makeup and her daughter is a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: plus size little girl, like she can't shop in the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: children's section, and she's like, I just want to feel
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: pretty for one day. And then Carlos decides that the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: lesson should be mommy can go without makeup, not ever
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: taking into account how Gabby would feel about that, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: then they and then they have to go to like
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: some professional photo shoot or something, and Gabby puts on makeup.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So Gabby's so complicated because she is so vain, and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: she makes possibly the wildest mistakes but also the most
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: relatable mistakes with the affair and the hiding money and
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: kind of low key being okay with crime and they
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: kill her stepdad.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: She was honestly, I think she was my favorite. Yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Like I was like Gabby and then Brie were my favorites.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: And isn't that wild? Because I still in twenty twenty six,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: with America the way that it is. I'm like, hell yeah, Brie,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: tooke that gun around. I love Republican Brie. My favorite
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Republican is Briach. I love her. She and she's also
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: one of the most interesting ones. And I think one
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of the ones that does Susan does the least growth.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it, No, she.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Stays the same the whole time, and she's also like
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: stunted that whenever, particularly now watching it, being literally the
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: same age as her, I'm just like.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: No, And again, a lot of that comes from being
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: like a very young mom. I don't know if they
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: ever say that she was like nineteen when she had
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Julia or whatever, but it's almost like Julie raised her right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And you're probably right because if she's supposed to be
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: thirty six and Julie was like a mid teenager, then
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: she probably was like nineteen twenty when she had Julie,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: which is crazy.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Which just arrested development in her. And I will say that,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: like as rigid and perfect as Breetrope was throughout the show,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Pre eventually came around on Andrew's sexuality. Pre eventually, you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: ran her own business and turned homemaking into a career.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: There were so many things. Also, Prette's so hilarious unintentionally
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm, because she's so rigid, and I hated Rex
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and I also like hated Orson for resenting her success
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to the point where he's like, I know, I'll just
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: start stealing things from our friends' homes because I deserve attention. Two.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing I've got on Orson. He was
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: perfect right up until he got really petty that she
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: made a lot of money.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I mean they were had like a kookie. They were
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a kookie, fun couple. I like them, but it's like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like, as we're talking about these shows, so
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: many of these plot points I feel like have just
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: been spun out and now they's their own show. So
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: like Orson and his like Fevery, now you've got your
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: friends and neighbors with John.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Ham, which I just watched.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's fun and I think the second season
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: actually is. It's hitting so far. There isn't that like
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: terrible sophomore slump with it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: It's weird to feel empathy for Paul Young because they
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: turn him into such a weirdo by the end of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: But I do feel a lot of empathy for Paul
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Young because I do believe that he was just a
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: normal husband and a dad before that nosy neighbor was like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I know, you stole your kid and buried his mom
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in the yard. Yeah, And I think there's a lot
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: to be said too about Oh, I was just telling
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: you my mom. Was I telling you my mom? I
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: don't know my mom and I were like talking about
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: creepy neighbors. And I reiterated the story plot structure of
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the incident where like Lynette is really into one of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the new neighbors, and he's a guy that lives with
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: his sister. She has some sort of chronic illness and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: he's her caretaker, and like Lynette and her kid end
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: up in his house through a series of campy shenanigans,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and then they and then Lynette kind of finds a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: room full of evidence that he might be a pedophile.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: And then that was also And when I say that
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it was hard to watch, I don't mean that it
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't like valid television. It just did put you in
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like a moral query like the drama is
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: currently doing for smart people I know, and I'm not
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: gonna spoil any of it, but you need to go
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: see it so we can talk about it, because I
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: could talk about that movie for hours. I and I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: ran to the theater to see it yesterday before the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: internet tried to tell me, because I it was like
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: an invisible countdown in my head for that movie being
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: fucking spoiled for me. But I the thing about like
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Lynette and the Neighbor is it does it ends up
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: making you like an active participant in your in the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: show because they never really confirm anything until the very end,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and even then it could have been like a gotcha
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: confirmed where he just like kind of smiles weirdly and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you're like, I knew you were. I love when shows
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: do that where it's like, well, why are you making
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: me be the morality police on this? I don't know, Lynnette.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I believe in saving the children and that pedophiles are
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: living amongst us, but also like, now I feel bad
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: for this guy and the sister. I feel like Desperate
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Housewives did a lot of walking that line with Paul
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: two and it was like masterful at things. Yeah, that's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: how Gabby ends up being a sympathetic character because it's like, oh, yeah,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: she's a vain bitch, but also the nuance and this
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: golden age of television that gen Z will just never have,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: where you had seasons of twenty two episodes to thirty
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: two episodes, Oh insane, and you just got to build
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: a world with them. I think I know more things
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: about breed Vandicamp than I do some of my own cousins, right, Like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: she's more of a real person to me than possibly
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: the actual actress Zendaya there.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: And that's part of why when I first went in
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: to start rewatching, all of a sudden, I saw all
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the episodes and I was like, ah, I cannot, I can't.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not ready for this, but it's it's wild to me.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: And then you sort of wonder too, like which is
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: better for the art form? You know, like is it
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: like do the do the Store? Do we need thirty
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: two episodes or do we like really need like a
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: tight seven.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I would argue that we need to go back to
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: some shows just like twenty one. Yeah, some shows deserve
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: twenty four episode seasons. I think a perfect one was
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: what was our mermaid show? Was it called Mermaids Sir?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sirens?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sirens needed five more episodes to really make that
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a tight show. Now Big Little Lies never needed a
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: season two, But I will be running to season three
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: because all of those women are hot and I love
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: looking at the Bay. It's just a beautiful show, and
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I will let it smooth my brain away. It's it's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: like walking that line of like we're seeing so many
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: adaptations that I'm like, Okay, yeah, let's do this book
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: in eight episodes. But then when it comes okay, So
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: like Grey's Anatomy, despite all of its best efforts, has
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: fallen victim to all of the money problems that everyone
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: else is having, and it's finally killed off Owen Hunt.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Now he's not gonna die. I hear that he and
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Teddy are just going to get to walk off and
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: we're back together.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: They should not be together in the first place, the bat.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: One of the best pairings on Gray's Anatomy, and you've
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: heard me rant about this before, was Teddy and Tom Carrascic. Yes,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: they were so good, they were so funny, so mature, mature. Great.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm every time they hint that Tom Krassak might
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: be coming back, I'm like so thirsty for it. Talk
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: about an asshole that you just end up loving despite
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: being an asshole. So anyways, we're finally gonna get to
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: fire Owen Hunt because of budget, and so now the
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Gray's Anatomy seasons have been cut, not all the way
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: down to ten episodes, but you can tell that they're
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: like screeping budget. Yeah, to get like maybe fourteen episodes
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of season, and the quality is different. I don't give
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: a shit about any of these new people anymore because
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about them exactly.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like at that point, why.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Just stop, Shanda, just stop. We just got renewed for
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: season twenty three. That's gonna be in as er lasted
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: twenty some seasons at twenty four episodes of season, and
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: now we get to love Noah Wyley all the way
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. Like, I am a big proponent of actual
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It's not cereal because that sounds episodic, but like the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: show that I want to write and pitch people, that
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: has to be a twenty four season show because I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: want everyone to know the ins and outs of my
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: characters and all their nuances. I feel like when we're
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: eight and done, I think the Pit is doing a
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: really great job with this fifteen episode.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: So I think that's a sweet spot right now. Yeah, yeah,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I would agree.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Everyone is super pissed off at the Pit right now,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and I think it's never been better. I don't know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm sick.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: You know, on it, because I love the Pit and
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I go on Pit Reddit, which doesn't quite seem to
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: be as crazy. My understanding is it's Pit Twitter or x,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: but that's like where like the rabid like crazy people.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And then now there's like this canceled Noah Wiley thing
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and all this buha. But I think the Pit's doing great,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and so I will say we talked about like kind
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of wor scrape in the barrel and reinventing or rebooting
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. Give me Pit night Shift. I would one
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: thousand percent watch that show and just alternate the two shifts.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Do a Pit day shift for six months, Pit night shift,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: and just keep it going. I'll watch it forever.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Robbie's suicidal right now, and he's going through
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a hard time. Bree was a Republican who loved guns.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: That was weird for me to be watching in twenty
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: twenty six, but I did, and I loved it. You
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: know Tom Stavo technically still a person at the end
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: of the day, even though every episode I was like,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I wish you would drop that release us from the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: slow torture. If your characters are perfect or fully good
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: or fully evil, there's no com We can't converse about
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: anything right. And I think it is a symptom of
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: streaming because we used to talk about shows more often.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: We used to all watch see.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're talking too much about shows, that
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: there's too much information and too much discussion. That it
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: used to be encapsulated in like a water cooler chat
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: for five minutes, but now you we could talk all day.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where we run into trouble. And
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: then I think that you pair that with sort of
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like the obsessive fandom that then everyone just kind of
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: starts to eat.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Themselves correct well, and like, I don't know, do I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: need to have to fucking do an entire episode on
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the pit now, because now I'm like, leave land In alone. Oh,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I bet it's with a heart of gold.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I know, maybe let's come back and talk about it,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: because I would love to talk about season two because
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I've really, I've really enjoyed it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are dogging on it hard, and I'm like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with you people, baby, Jean? Do is there
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: anything about Desperate Housewives we did not cover? I talked
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: about Mike Delfino not being a nice guy. After all,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: you ranked him as a worse husband than I thought
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you would rank him. Is there a reason and why
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: or did we cover it with the blue collar bullshit?
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: No? I think it really was kind of like that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a nice guy bullshit.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: It does just really bother me that he couldn't ever
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: set aside his pride to actually provide for his family. Yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: like that was his whole shit. I have to be
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: able to provide for my family, and you make us
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: live in the rich people neighborhood so I can't provide
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: for my family. Be about her plumber, I don't know.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And I think he also. My thing with him is
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I felt like he always played into Susan's insecurity, Like
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: he knew that she had these wounds and he knew
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: he knew how to manipulate them, and it wasn't like
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: like and I don't think any of the husband's we
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: can say to this, but like, wasn't he never like
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: built her up in a way that I think was
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: like meaningful for her to be able to like feel
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: like she was fully supportive by him, like she always
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like kind of had that like is he gonna leave me?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Is he gonna cheat on me? Is this gonna happen that?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I think in an ideal world, like you would hope
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: that you are in a stable in a relationship that
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: you don't need to be having those questions.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I also love that the show just gave us
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: so many insights on what could be happening in the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: marriages around us. And I think it's because as an
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: unmarried without children person, I'm obsessed with like the secrets
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: that we all keep in our nice like picket fence
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: neighborhoods that other people don't have the privilege to keep
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: those secrets, but like we get to because we're in
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: like some secret team and we've got these kids that
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: have to believe that we're good people or whatever. I
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: also loved that everyone in the show was just like
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a fully fledged character with nuance down to just like
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the old ladies that were.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the accessory characters. Everyone got super you got backstory.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: They did a really good job with that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that's why I want to go back
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to fifteen twenty four episode seasons, because I'm like, hey,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: sometimes I care about those accessory characters also, and at
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, besides Tom Stavo, I did
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: like all of the husband shenanigans. It's hilarious that Orson
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: starts stealing right. Also, Orson did have one of the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: biggest points of the series where it's like, you made
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: me go to jail for what did Orson do? They
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: had to go to jail for hitting Mike Delfino. What's
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the car? You made me go to jail because I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: gave my amnesia Andrew killed the lady and you covered
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: it up for decades and he isn't a grown up
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: now and you're still not going to make him go
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to jail. I'm out he had a point. Also, the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: tornado episode of Desperate Housewives is one of the best episodes.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I mean they made everything. They had shootings, tornadoes, amn, Like,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: just pick a plot point, they had it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love I love camp and I love
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I love like shows that are trying so hard to
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: not be a soap opera, but they are a soap opera,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: like Desperate housefives. It's a soap opera at the end
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: of the day. Jane the Virgin a soap opera, novella
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. All of my favorite
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: shows are soap operas. And it's because I used to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: cut kindergarten to watch Days of our Lives with Grandma
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Peg while she taught me how to crochet, and she
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes and I breathed in that second hand spoke,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: so I was also smoking cigarettes. We're just two smoking
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: gals watching the Nanny. I just miss television like that.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Friends and Neighbors has some of the vibes because it's
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: all constricted to the one neighborhood. There are secrets. They're
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: not giving me enough episodes to care about everyone's secrets,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: but there are secrets. There's potentially, there's potential. John ham
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: make it be fourteen episodes, John, Now, I'm just talking
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to John Hamm like he's in charge. John paid for
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: six four episodes a season. But yeah, I just I
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  Speaker 1: just like, we don't have a lot of TV anymore
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that is just about like women's normalized secrets. Also, I
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: can't remember the last time like an oldly like an
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: older lady who wasn't like a twenty year old playing
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: a teenager was sexy on TV? Like where are sexy
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: older lady TV shows? Because let me tell you? And
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: just like that, that wasn't it right? That show was
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: bad and it was bad for older women. I'm just
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: gonna say it was bad for older women. It's bad
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: for young women. It was a bad show.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I think also too, maybe we're warped though, because
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: people just look so good now with their age, because
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I mean your friend's neighbors they're sexy older ladies. They're
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: in their like late forties, early fifties, but like we
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: look at them are like, gosh, they don't look like
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: day over thirty five.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: This is why I can't tell how old I am
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: or anyone else. Some people could be seventeen thirty five.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I'd never know. No one's face moves anymore. What do
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: you think was your biggest lesson from being a Desperate
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Housewives fan?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's a good question. I think probably like
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: that we're all more powerful than we think we are.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, you're you're.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: The architect of your life and think you that I
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: have like find your power to find your.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Way that's sexy because all of them did except for
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Susan poor Terry Hatcher. Also, we need even go into
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: how that's what I need a docuseries on what the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: fuck happened behind.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all hated each other.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, they all hated one another, and I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: need a lifetime dramatization of it like we did for
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: the same by the Bellcast. Yes, Oh, that'd be great
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: lifetime call me. Uh, what would you like to manifest
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: for future TV shows Watchers the Universe? Noah Wiley.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I think I would like to manifest better dialogue between
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: women in scenes because I am enjoying in perfect women. However,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: there are some scenes that are written so poorly that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I just like, it completely takes me out and I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: just laugh because it's.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Terrible define poorly for me, like.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Chat, cheapy, t gobbledygook.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, so it's like people don't talk that way poorly?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And also then like the the juxtaposition of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: having these like acting powerhouses like Kerry Washington and Elizabeth
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Moss together in this horribly written scene having acted out.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the time I watched the because I watched
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the first three episodes, because I didn't realize it had started.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I got like heafway through this episode. I texted friend
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of the podcast, Julia Washington, and I was like, Hey,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: is Perry Washington actually a bad actress? Yes?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes yes yes?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Did we just not know?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Right? I'm having I have those thoughts every time I'm
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: watching it, and I'm I'm gonna say that I think
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: it's bad dialogue.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I think it is because I don't know if surely
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: you are, because you're a huge TV person, but like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: writers for TV and movies are being told you have
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: to write out everything, you have to be like the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: dog was in the yard. The yard was green because
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: people are looking at their phones when they should be
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: watching the show. Now, the pant doesn't do that. And
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: you know what, I put my phone away during the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: right or I rewatched the Pit several times because even
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: if I'm watching it, I miss something. I always miss something.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It's because of it's TikTok's follow my favorite platform. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: would also like to just manifest that I think what
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I like the most about Desperate Housewives and our era
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: of TV is that you and I were like middle
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: school in high school, people watching adult television and Desperate
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Housewives was a TV show I could watch with my
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: mom and we were both entertained. I don't see a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: lot of TV like that anymore, Like what am I?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: What are? What are you supposed to be watching with
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: your kids right now? The Testaments?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, I will say that that that's a gap
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: in the market. And we had this discussion too during
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: your Mary, Kate and Ashley episode that there's like a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: huge gap of what could be What could a mom
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: watch with their children that are like between eight and fifteen.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I watched Lost as a kid, started Gray's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Anatomy as an early teen, watched desper Housewives. My mom
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: used to let me watch a Dirty Dancene when I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: was eight years old and had insomnia, and it was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the unedited version because it was late at night. So
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like, why is Patty? Why is her
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: tummy upset? And my mom would be like, it's the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: summer flow, shut up, focus on the gy rating, and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but yeah, I just there are like Okay.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: My sister and my brother in law went and saw
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the Mario movie and they said it was good, but like,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want the Mario movie to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: be the pivotal family movie that like teenage girls get
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: to go see with their minds.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, like we had like Tuck Out, Her Lasting
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Charlie Saint Cloud. Like I just I don't feel like
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: there are movies like that anymore. But maybe it's just
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: that they're not getting released in theaters and those are
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: all like direct to streaming.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure like if I could ever get
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Disney Plus to work on my fucking TV without having
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to give away a kidney, I would probably watch the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Percy Jackson Show. I loved the books, and that would
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: be something fun to watch with your kids, because a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: lot of us that are my age read the books.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: But I can't ever get Disney Plus to work on
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: my TV. I haven't even another Finicky one. Yeah, I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: haven't seen the Sabrina Carpenter and Bumpet Show. And I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: want the Muppet Show to come back. Well, Margaret, this
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: has been fun.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: This has been really fun. Thanks for having me back.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Thanks for always being gained, for being like I'm hyper
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: focused on this show.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, I will talk. I'll talk if I like it,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I'll talk about anything.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: And we might have to do a pit episode just
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: because people be complaining, Margaret, do you have anything to plug?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I have nothing to plug. My podcast has been on
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: a bit of a hiatis while I've just sort of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: gone into like a different season of life. So I'm
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: hoping to bring it back, and I'm still kind of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: thinking about how i want to bring it back or
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: what i want to talk about. But people are still listening,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: which is really kind of fun to see, to go
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: into podbean and see people are still looking, and so
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: thank you to everyone that's been listening. And hopefully I'll
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: be back on my pod soon. But if not, you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: can always find me here, or if you just want
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: to send reels back and forth about old TV shows,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I am Smashit podcast on Instagram.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: It's a fun follow. We love TV. I could have
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: rewrote the material list, it would have been a better movie.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: And tolerators, you know the drill we're at men. I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: have tolerated pod on Instagram, nat Lee K one two
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  Speaker 1: four on Instagram and Patreon, No not Patreon, TikTok. I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: had Patreon on my mind because that's where all the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: really cool shit is. If you're trying to give up
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Meta because they're doing weird shit to us or TikTok
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: because it's becoming a police state on Patreon. I'm repurposing
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: all of the fun things I'm doing on the bad
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: apps on Patreon because they started their own feed like TikTok.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'm also writing blogs. That's where you get add free episodes.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: There are bonus episodes where I actually keep up with
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: the times and talk to you in real time about
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: the misogyny that has happened. For instance, I made fun
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: of that loser who was an olympian and decided to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: take his moment and tried to manipulate his girlfriend who
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: he cheated on, to come back to him. We had
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: to make fun of that moron, but we didn't have
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: enough context on him to do an entire episode, so
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: he's on a bonus episode behind the paywall. It's like news,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: but only news I care about, So go check it out.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: There are links in the bio, and not in the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: bio that's fucking TikTok. There are links in the show notes.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, tolerators, you don't have to smile through anything
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: you're tolerating, including Tom Scavo. Smiles are for joying O