Latest / Shawna and LaLa: Life Beyond The Mic / Bryan James Breaks His Silence
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- 0:00Speaker 1: From the heart of the city, where the beat meets
- 0:03Speaker 1: the rhythm of your day.
- 0:06Speaker 2: It's Shawnam.
- 0:14Speaker 3: The views expressed in this interview belong solely to the
- 0:17Speaker 3: guests and do not necessarily reflect those of the hosts
- 0:21Speaker 3: or life beyond the mic. What's up? You're listening to
- 0:24Speaker 3: Shauna and Lala. Check us out at Shawna and Lala
- 0:28Speaker 3: dot com on all social media platforms at Shauna and Laala.
- 0:33Speaker 3: You could follow me on Instagram at the Real Shawna
- 0:37Speaker 3: MA and.
- 0:38Speaker 4: Check me out at Bella Underscore Laala one two five.
- 0:42Speaker 3: It has been a wild ride for us for the
- 0:46Speaker 3: past two weeks.
- 0:49Speaker 4: Yeah, with some crazy, crazy stuff going on in the show.
- 0:52Speaker 3: We originally posted an interview with Brian James and Max
- 0:59Speaker 3: Eric was supposed to join us and Max did not
- 1:03Speaker 3: show up. And Max has been in the news as
- 1:07Speaker 3: we all know, for the past two months. I want
- 1:11Speaker 3: to say, and we just want to take a moment
- 1:15Speaker 3: and talk about the interview that we had posted last week.
- 1:20Speaker 3: So after we posted the interview, it was raw, it
- 1:23Speaker 3: was unedited, and that's really what we do. We don't
- 1:29Speaker 3: like to edit our interviews. We like things to be raw, honest,
- 1:33Speaker 3: and we were also asked to yes. We were also
- 1:39Speaker 3: asked by Brian to keep it raw, unedited. You hear
- 1:44Speaker 3: him in the interview say, you know that he wanted
- 1:47Speaker 3: it out there. So we did, and that next day
- 1:54Speaker 3: we received an email from the PR team asking if
- 1:58Speaker 3: we could take it down because Max's lawyers were threatening
- 2:04Speaker 3: a defamation of character case and it scared us. We've
- 2:10Speaker 3: never been through anything like this before.
- 2:12Speaker 4: It's not something that we deal with normally. We never
- 2:14Speaker 4: have any kind of this big of drama that it
- 2:17Speaker 4: would affect us. So, yeah, you get that phone call
- 2:21Speaker 4: and it's a little scary when they're using terms like
- 2:23Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to be sued and defamation,
- 2:27Speaker 4: and we just quickly didn't want to deal with that,
- 2:30Speaker 4: so we took it down.
- 2:31Speaker 3: We took it down right away, with it in minutes.
- 2:33Speaker 3: Everything was fine. We did offer Max to come on
- 2:38Speaker 3: the show again, and he was scheduled for Halloween October
- 2:43Speaker 3: thirty first, at eleven thirty am, and we were on Zoom.
- 2:48Speaker 3: We were waiting for him to come on and he
- 2:51Speaker 3: did not show up. You know, we can only do
- 2:54Speaker 3: so much.
- 2:55Speaker 4: Yeah, we were trying to get his side of the
- 2:57Speaker 4: story so that we were fair. That's what you know,
- 2:59Speaker 4: Sean was saying, and then he said, yeah, yeah, I
- 3:01Speaker 4: want to come on, I want to talk, I want
- 3:02Speaker 4: to tell my side. And then he just he was
- 3:05Speaker 4: mi he We sat and sat and sat and waited
- 3:08Speaker 4: and waited and nothing.
- 3:10Speaker 3: So as always, our goal is to provide a safe
- 3:15Speaker 3: and open space have honest conversations. And the views and
- 3:20Speaker 3: opinions that are expressed by our guests are solely their own.
- 3:25Speaker 3: They are not ours. They do not necessarily reflect what
- 3:30Speaker 3: we're thinking. And we encourage our listeners to come up
- 3:37Speaker 3: with their own opinion. And we are not responsible for
- 3:41Speaker 3: any statements made by any guests ever on the show.
- 3:47Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people are you know,
- 3:49Speaker 3: they they wanted to hear the interview. We have so
- 3:52Speaker 3: many people commenting and messaging us that they want to
- 3:56Speaker 3: hear the interview. Where did the interview go?
- 3:59Speaker 5: You know?
- 3:59Speaker 3: And I feel horrible that we had to take it down.
- 4:02Speaker 3: I feel horrible that, you know, Max is in this situation.
- 4:06Speaker 3: I feel horrible Brian is in this situation, and the
- 4:10Speaker 3: PR teams for both actors.
- 4:13Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it is our job,
- 4:16Speaker 4: it is what we do. We do these interviews to
- 4:19Speaker 4: show you life beyond the mic, and we want that
- 4:23Speaker 4: rural conversation and it might not always be pretty, it
- 4:28Speaker 4: might not always be what people want to hear, but
- 4:31Speaker 4: that's that's our job. If every interviewer and reporter out
- 4:35Speaker 4: there just didn't take interviews because they might say something
- 4:40Speaker 4: that's someone else doesn't want to hear, then there would
- 4:44Speaker 4: be nothing. There would be no interviews ever, you know
- 4:46Speaker 4: what I mean. Yeah, and defamation is one thing. But
- 4:49Speaker 4: if someone's speaking that we're and we're just listening and
- 4:52Speaker 4: we air what they're saying, that's on them. And we
- 4:55Speaker 4: try to not have anything false up there. But most
- 5:00Speaker 4: what we put out is stuff that you could find
- 5:02Speaker 4: in the news or that you could see for yourself
- 5:05Speaker 4: right on social media with these guests.
- 5:08Speaker 3: So yeah, and everything that you know, we speak about
- 5:13Speaker 3: in this interview today that we are going to re
- 5:16Speaker 3: air you can find online.
- 5:18Speaker 4: Yes, everything everything. So we had to talk with a lawyer,
- 5:23Speaker 4: and you know, he told us certain things, like I know,
- 5:27Speaker 4: but most of it, Hey, this is a conversation. These
- 5:31Speaker 4: are things that you could find online yourself, in the
- 5:33Speaker 4: news or on social media, or from these celebrities on
- 5:36Speaker 4: their own social media pages. It's known, so all you're
- 5:40Speaker 4: doing is listening and sharing.
- 5:41Speaker 3: But before we get into the interview, a little good news.
- 5:45Speaker 3: The holidays are around the corner. I cannot believe it.
- 5:49Speaker 3: Julna just turned four. Yep, and uh it is snowing.
- 5:53Speaker 3: We had our first snowfall yesterday. And I thought it
- 5:57Speaker 3: was cute. I saw Jelina yesterday and the studio she
- 6:01Speaker 3: was pretending to have her own podcast show.
- 6:05Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really cute. She had the mic and
- 6:08Speaker 4: she put her her tablet up in front of her
- 6:10Speaker 4: and was recording herself and she's like, hi, guys, hi,
- 6:13Speaker 4: this is Shaun and La la and yes, hi guys hi.
- 6:19Speaker 4: Not something you'd want to listen to, a little boring,
- 6:21Speaker 4: i'd say, for a podcast, But it was cute.
- 6:25Speaker 3: Hey, she's gonna she's getting there. I'm telling you she's
- 6:27Speaker 3: gonna be famous too. Especially her dancing on that stage.
- 6:33Speaker 3: Yesterday we went to a dance party for kids. It
- 6:37Speaker 3: was really cute and uh it was for like kids,
- 6:41Speaker 3: I don't know, seven and under, maybe ten and under. Yeah,
- 6:45Speaker 3: and uh, it was just so cute. She took over
- 6:47Speaker 3: the stage. She just grabbed that mic and started singing.
- 6:51Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
- 6:52Speaker 4: Some of the kids were upset there. I watched the
- 6:55Speaker 4: video back and there was this one little girl next
- 6:57Speaker 4: to her who was clearly not happy that Jelina had
- 7:01Speaker 4: the spotlight, and she ended up calling her mom over
- 7:04Speaker 4: and gave Jerlina a dirty look, and the mom took
- 7:06Speaker 4: her off the stage. And I'm like, starts already at
- 7:09Speaker 4: four years old. This drama between females and jealousy starts
- 7:13Speaker 4: at four years old.
- 7:14Speaker 3: It's crazy, it is. It's unbelievable starting younger and younger
- 7:20Speaker 3: and younger.
- 7:21Speaker 5: Yep.
- 7:22Speaker 3: But she is definitely going to be a superstar one day.
- 7:25Speaker 4: And hopefully not have any celebrity drama when.
- 7:28Speaker 1: She is one.
- 7:30Speaker 3: Yes, just you gotta just be there for her, you know,
- 7:34Speaker 3: and be there at every audition, every step of the way, and.
- 7:39Speaker 4: Be their friend, just because you want them to meet
- 7:43Speaker 4: the right people or get in with the right people.
- 7:45Speaker 4: And I think you hear that a lot in Hollywood,
- 7:47Speaker 4: like Drew Barrymore. You ever listen to her interview, What
- 7:49Speaker 4: her mother allowed to happen to that little girl? No,
- 7:52Speaker 4: she could be famous. It's disgusting. I forget how old
- 7:56Speaker 4: she was, but younger than g O probably, and her
- 7:59Speaker 4: mom would send her these Hollywood parties and they or
- 8:01Speaker 4: they would tell the mama, yeah, you can't come in,
- 8:03Speaker 4: but Drew can come in. The mom and say okay,
- 8:05Speaker 4: and leave her at these parties with creepy adults. She
- 8:08Speaker 4: was Oh no, she was given drugs. She was a
- 8:10Speaker 4: drug addict at her early age, drinking alcohol, you know. So,
- 8:13Speaker 4: I mean, I won't get onto that tangent, but yeah,
- 8:16Speaker 4: you you have to. You can't play with the devil.
- 8:18Speaker 4: And that's what a lot of these parents do when
- 8:20Speaker 4: they want their kids to be superstars, as they sell
- 8:23Speaker 4: their soul to the devil so that their kid can
- 8:25Speaker 4: be somebody. And it just all you're doing is they're
- 8:28Speaker 4: messing up their kids.
- 8:29Speaker 6: You know.
- 8:30Speaker 3: That's sad. I didn't know that. I don't follow a
- 8:32Speaker 3: lot of celebrity drama. Yeah anymore. It's it's very sad.
- 8:37Speaker 2: You know.
- 8:37Speaker 3: I learned Taylor Swift. I met her right before she
- 8:41Speaker 3: became big and famous, and her mom was talking to
- 8:45Speaker 3: my mom, just having a casual conversation. Yeah, and she
- 8:50Speaker 3: said to my mom, I go, I'm there every step
- 8:53Speaker 3: of the way with Taylor. I go to everything with her.
- 8:56Speaker 3: I'm in every meeting.
- 8:58Speaker 2: You know.
- 8:59Speaker 3: Now, she's a thirty five or thirty six year old person.
- 9:01Speaker 3: I don't think mom's going to meetings. Yeah, but in
- 9:06Speaker 3: the beginning, you know, she went, and it makes a difference,
- 9:10Speaker 3: It really does.
- 9:12Speaker 4: Other than having a lot of boyfriends, she I don't
- 9:14Speaker 4: think she's ever had any drug issues.
- 9:17Speaker 3: You know. No, if she does, we don't know about it.
- 9:21Speaker 3: I don't think she does. But it just it keeps
- 9:24Speaker 3: you humble, I think.
- 9:25Speaker 4: And protected. Yeah, protected from the evil that's out there
- 9:30Speaker 4: in Hollywood.
- 9:31Speaker 3: Unfortunately, so, as I was mentioning before the holidays are
- 9:34Speaker 3: around the corner, we do have our holiday guide up
- 9:38Speaker 3: on our website and every purchase you make off of
- 9:42Speaker 3: our holiday guide, we do get credit for it. So
- 9:47Speaker 3: thank you so much for supporting us. We have a
- 9:49Speaker 3: very small team of well me and Lala, and then
- 9:53Speaker 3: we do have an assistant Kathy, who comes with us,
- 9:57Speaker 3: but she really does our in person events a lot
- 10:02Speaker 3: of them. She does do a check her email once
- 10:04Speaker 3: in a while.
- 10:05Speaker 4: Yeah, she writes back and takes something off of our plates.
- 10:09Speaker 3: Not enough.
- 10:11Speaker 5: Yes, Right now, We're going to jump into our interview
- 10:15Speaker 5: with Brian James and talk about his new movie Reckless
- 10:20Speaker 5: coming out with Max Eric on November twenty.
- 10:23Speaker 4: First, she just showed me his Instagram right before we
- 10:26Speaker 4: got on with you, and I'm like, I said, something
- 10:29Speaker 4: doesn't seem right about him. I said, he seems a
- 10:31Speaker 4: little off in those videos, and she's like, I don't know.
- 10:33Speaker 7: I'm like, I said, is he on something?
- 10:35Speaker 1: He's on nitros oxide. It's ruining his brain. And I'm
- 10:38Speaker 1: telling him what you're posting isn't making sense.
- 10:40Speaker 7: Can you delete it? Can you delete it? And then
- 10:42Speaker 7: he like was like I get it.
- 10:44Speaker 1: I get it. And it's like someone I swear to god,
- 10:46Speaker 1: it's dramatic as hell. It's like I'm dealing with Jean
- 10:48Speaker 1: Ray and X men and I'm like, Geane, are you there?
- 10:51Speaker 1: And then it's like, I'm not trying to make light
- 10:52Speaker 1: of substance abuse, but it's like literally a person that
- 10:55Speaker 1: like has moments and then goes back into the lunacy.
- 10:57Speaker 7: So the drug is really seriously bad.
- 11:00Speaker 1: But if there's anything that's a positive to try to
- 11:02Speaker 1: explain to people, is that nitrous oxide, which is readily
- 11:06Speaker 1: available and feels like a PG thirteen kind of kid drug,
- 11:09Speaker 1: is clearly something that will incapacitate you, take away all
- 11:13Speaker 1: your inhibitions, and actually make your brain start to rode
- 11:16Speaker 1: on himself.
- 11:17Speaker 7: He had a moment yesterday.
- 11:18Speaker 1: Where I told him, you know, you were arrested in
- 11:20Speaker 1: jail and have been in and out of rehab twice
- 11:22Speaker 1: this month, and you promised me you were going to
- 11:24Speaker 1: stop doing drugs so that we could do a press
- 11:26Speaker 1: tour for our movie.
- 11:27Speaker 7: You promised me. And he goes, what, I don't even.
- 11:30Speaker 1: Remember the last month, And I'm like, it's like, it's
- 11:33Speaker 1: just like the weight of it is so hard to
- 11:35Speaker 1: see it in someone because that shit.
- 11:36Speaker 7: Actually fucks with your brain to where it's like you're
- 11:39Speaker 7: so out of it.
- 11:40Speaker 1: Like, I genuinely don't think he will remember most of
- 11:42Speaker 1: the things that have happened recently if he survives. I
- 11:44Speaker 1: said that to his mom and dad. I said, I
- 11:46Speaker 1: think you need to put him into a hold. I
- 11:48Speaker 1: think he needs a conservatorship. I think he should be
- 11:50Speaker 1: like in a pat itself.
- 11:52Speaker 7: And I'm not.
- 11:52Speaker 1: Saying any of that lightly, but I really worry for
- 11:55Speaker 1: what will happen to him. Well, and we'll all watch
- 11:57Speaker 1: it and I don't want I literally blogged him because
- 12:00Speaker 1: I'm having anxiety watching it because imagine on the inside out.
- 12:03Speaker 7: And then I read the comments and.
- 12:05Speaker 1: People are like, why doesn't anyone care? Why doesn't anyone
- 12:07Speaker 1: want to help? And I'm like, I do care. I
- 12:10Speaker 1: do want to help. You don't know what's going on, people,
- 12:12Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna like go out unless it's the
- 12:14Speaker 1: proper place and really be comfortable to say what's going on.
- 12:17Speaker 7: I'm not the type of guy to just go on
- 12:18Speaker 7: my Instagram story. I think it minimizes it.
- 12:20Speaker 1: It's like unless it's like a conversation or it's like
- 12:23Speaker 1: the safe space, and it's like then you won't know.
- 12:26Speaker 7: And so it's so painful because you guys know this.
- 12:28Speaker 1: But I can't make somebody be something more than what
- 12:31Speaker 1: they are.
- 12:31Speaker 7: I can't choose a different path for somebody.
- 12:34Speaker 1: My god, I wish he was here with me and
- 12:35Speaker 1: we were talking about this movie right now. It's like
- 12:37Speaker 1: that's his decision, you know, Like I really actually do.
- 12:41Speaker 1: I don't even I actually care about him more than
- 12:42Speaker 1: this movie. I actually am being so genuine with you guys.
- 12:45Speaker 8: I'm such a straight shooter, Like I care about the press,
- 12:48Speaker 8: I care about everything.
- 12:49Speaker 7: I'm a professional.
- 12:50Speaker 1: I'm just like also like I care about people as
- 12:52Speaker 1: a person. I care about their lives I was saying
- 12:54Speaker 1: to his dad and his mom, like.
- 12:56Speaker 7: I think the career is over.
- 12:58Speaker 1: I was like, I think we should just try to
- 12:59Speaker 1: save him as a person. I think he's gonna get
- 13:02Speaker 1: into other things. I think, like to each their own.
- 13:04Speaker 1: I mean, but this is a movie I'm proud of
- 13:06Speaker 1: and I can't wait for people to see his performance
- 13:08Speaker 1: and my performance. And but if you look at his
- 13:10Speaker 1: Instagram and then he's pushing my movie with these pictures,
- 13:14Speaker 1: like he posted a picture of himself with condoms and
- 13:17Speaker 1: he said reckless movie, not that, and I know like
- 13:19Speaker 1: he has a substance abuse problem, but I did start yelling.
- 13:21Speaker 1: I was like, delete that right now, Like you've got
- 13:23Speaker 1: to stop. This is not like what on my project is.
- 13:26Speaker 1: It will be pronounced that he won't be at the premiere.
- 13:28Speaker 1: He's not gonna be at the premiere. It will be
- 13:30Speaker 1: pronounced when I do more present and it won't be
- 13:32Speaker 1: with him. I just don't see a road where it
- 13:34Speaker 1: could be. I'm not trying to be negative, but what
- 13:36Speaker 1: am I You know, and I know it's not affecting
- 13:38Speaker 1: me now, but the point is, and I know you
- 13:40Speaker 1: wouldn't think this way, but it's like I do because
- 13:42Speaker 1: it's me on the inside out. But as I'm trying
- 13:44Speaker 1: to get him off drugs and I can't control that,
- 13:46Speaker 1: and as I'm trying to like see the good through
- 13:48Speaker 1: the mess, I'm realizing the more I stick around, the
- 13:51Speaker 1: more it actually shows people that prepherally pay attention that
- 13:54Speaker 1: I'm like some enabler or that I'm some like supporter
- 13:57Speaker 1: of it. And I'm not gonna go make my only
- 13:59Speaker 1: fans page with it too.
- 14:00Speaker 7: And like I started yelling.
- 14:01Speaker 1: About that to to his mom and dad because I'm like,
- 14:04Speaker 1: perception in Hollywood is everything, Like it's not about.
- 14:07Speaker 7: Me and my business, It's about him and his soul.
- 14:09Speaker 1: But like I know I will be okay, Like honestly,
- 14:12Speaker 1: I'm proud of my project and whatever happens, I honestly
- 14:15Speaker 1: have a level head.
- 14:15Speaker 7: I'm not like gonna freak out about it.
- 14:17Speaker 1: I'm honestly more worried about like his health and like
- 14:20Speaker 1: his honestly, like what will happen. And it makes me
- 14:22Speaker 1: sad because it's like you met him and it's like
- 14:24Speaker 1: he's a special kind of guy. I mean, he's a
- 14:27Speaker 1: talented guy. Well I was just like, come on, man,
- 14:29Speaker 1: like let's not throw that away. We shot all through September.
- 14:32Speaker 1: We worked, We did a lot of prep work. We
- 14:34Speaker 1: did hours and hours of prep work. I mean, I'm
- 14:37Speaker 1: proud of the work. I'm proud. When you watch the.
- 14:38Speaker 7: Movie, you'll see it for yourself, like the work shows.
- 14:41Speaker 8: But it's like, there are scenes in this movie that
- 14:43Speaker 8: were shot on September twenty seven, the.
- 14:44Speaker 1: Twenty eight that have been cut from the movie. There's
- 14:46Speaker 1: that infamous scene of I'm not going to be ignored Dan,
- 14:49Speaker 1: and I'm like having to cut it because he is
- 14:52Speaker 1: so high on the other side, and he was doing
- 14:54Speaker 1: drugs on the set, and you would say, why did
- 14:56Speaker 1: I allow that. It's like he brought gain members onto
- 14:59Speaker 1: the set and threatened me and said and I liked
- 15:02Speaker 1: him as a person, and I was trying to stay calm,
- 15:04Speaker 1: and maybe I did roll over for him, but I
- 15:06Speaker 1: was just like, okay, whatever you need, Like I mean,
- 15:08Speaker 1: I really was trying to like pacify a situation and
- 15:11Speaker 1: get through the rest of the shoot. And then, I
- 15:13Speaker 1: mean a week later he was arrested, but I knew
- 15:15Speaker 1: he was on nitrous ox side and then he was
- 15:17Speaker 1: having a problem like a week before everybody in the
- 15:20Speaker 1: world did.
- 15:20Speaker 7: And it was like it's.
- 15:22Speaker 1: So sad to me because he's not that kind of
- 15:24Speaker 1: person that he would want to do that to the project.
- 15:26Speaker 1: That's the that's a real drug abuse. And that's why
- 15:29Speaker 1: when he comes to set High out of nowhere and
- 15:31Speaker 1: it's like we got to get these last few scenes
- 15:33Speaker 1: we shoot out of order, I'm like, what am I
- 15:34Speaker 1: supposed to do? I mean, it was like, looking back
- 15:37Speaker 1: on it, maybe I could have done things differently, but
- 15:39Speaker 1: in real time and when someone's threatening you, like I
- 15:41Speaker 1: mean he turned into a monster and he was like,
- 15:43Speaker 1: I'm gonna ruin your career. I'm going to ruin you.
- 15:45Speaker 1: There are a lot of people that don't like you
- 15:46Speaker 1: in this industry, like blah blah blah blah blah. Because
- 15:48Speaker 1: in the web series community, the web series community is
- 15:51Speaker 1: very they like to punch down, Like I'm not trying
- 15:54Speaker 1: to be disrespectful, but like the truth is the web
- 15:56Speaker 1: series community is so toxic because it's like I don't
- 15:59Speaker 1: know why and so like, but it's like in my
- 16:02Speaker 1: own world, this is all so personal, but like it
- 16:04Speaker 1: was very unhealthy and so that's what was happening too.
- 16:07Speaker 1: And then it's like and trying to just like understand
- 16:09Speaker 1: someone has a substance abuse problem. And then they get arrested,
- 16:12Speaker 1: and then I was still supportive. And then they go
- 16:14Speaker 1: to rehab, and then they immediately leave rehab, and then
- 16:17Speaker 1: I'm still supportive, and then they go to rehab again,
- 16:20Speaker 1: and then I'm still supportive when they leave again and
- 16:22Speaker 1: they say that they can wean off of this themselves.
- 16:25Speaker 7: But then like a few days after that.
- 16:26Speaker 1: Like I can't be supportive anymore when like it's now
- 16:30Speaker 1: so out of hand it's embarrassing. It's like I feel embarrassed.
- 16:33Speaker 1: Everybody you know is surprised in real time, just like
- 16:36Speaker 1: you guys are, just like anyone would be. Like it's
- 16:38Speaker 1: like checking the Instagram is the Nightmary, Like you never
- 16:40Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get. You don't know like what's
- 16:42Speaker 1: happening in the next second. It's just like it's it's
- 16:45Speaker 1: a drug. It's a drug. And I said to him yesterday,
- 16:47Speaker 1: you're a drug addict, and he said, I can own that.
- 16:49Speaker 7: Now I can own that.
- 16:50Speaker 1: And I said, okay, good, because I think we need
- 16:52Speaker 1: to start talking real talk, because real talk can lead
- 16:55Speaker 1: the real results, and we need to like own what's
- 16:57Speaker 1: going on, and we need to understand that going to
- 17:00Speaker 1: you have for four.
- 17:00Speaker 7: Days and then leaving. It's not gonna work.
- 17:03Speaker 1: No one has to be for thirty and you can't
- 17:05Speaker 1: like be on your phone and you can't be posting
- 17:07Speaker 1: sexy selfies and wanting what attention because you're you're the
- 17:11Speaker 1: context is confusing of.
- 17:13Speaker 7: What you're going through. It's all very strange, you know anyway,
- 17:17Speaker 7: Like I know, I like he says it to me
- 17:20Speaker 7: about me. Sometimes he goes, Brian, say less, Brian, you
- 17:22Speaker 7: talk too much.
- 17:23Speaker 1: I'm all like, yeah, like I'm just an honest guy,
- 17:25Speaker 1: Like I can't help.
- 17:26Speaker 4: And that's healing too for you.
- 17:27Speaker 7: You got to get it out. Yeah right, I'm the
- 17:30Speaker 7: same way.
- 17:31Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you know it's funny and I know
- 17:33Speaker 1: some people that don't act this way don't get it.
- 17:35Speaker 1: But I promise you on the other side of this
- 17:37Speaker 1: is me moving on, like because I got it all
- 17:39Speaker 1: out now, I don't dwell in it, and that like
- 17:41Speaker 1: you got to sleep all night. You got to take
- 17:42Speaker 1: care of yourself to be okay. So it's like I
- 17:44Speaker 1: wish him nothing about the best. I don't have anything
- 17:46Speaker 1: against him. It's just like WTF at a certain point,
- 17:50Speaker 1: and it's just like, so, how can I because he
- 17:52Speaker 1: wanted me to sign an NDA. Everyone's an enabler and nobody.
- 17:56Speaker 1: And it's not that nobody cares. I care here, I
- 17:58Speaker 1: am high. I care, but it's like I can what
- 18:00Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? And yeah, and then he
- 18:02Speaker 1: even said when he's trying to reach me, like in
- 18:05Speaker 1: his truth, I feel like he's like, you need to
- 18:06Speaker 1: come to Florida right now and you need to get me.
- 18:08Speaker 7: And I'm not trying to be like whatever, but this
- 18:10Speaker 7: was the true response. I was like, with what money?
- 18:12Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I spent all my money
- 18:14Speaker 1: on this project. I'm like, you're gonna fly me too
- 18:15Speaker 1: Florida And it's like you're on drugs?
- 18:17Speaker 7: And then what and then what are we gonna do?
- 18:18Speaker 1: And then I said doing modesty, I was like, and
- 18:20Speaker 1: I was saying.
- 18:20Speaker 7: It like being so frank.
- 18:21Speaker 1: I was like, this is not romantic or like anything
- 18:25Speaker 1: like that isn't about board, Like you come to my
- 18:27Speaker 1: house and you stay with me, and fucking I will
- 18:29Speaker 1: monitor you and get you off this ship. Because what's
- 18:31Speaker 1: happening in your music career and in your OnlyFans potential
- 18:34Speaker 1: career and in all the stuff you're doing is every
- 18:37Speaker 1: every other day, some weirdos coming out of the woodwork,
- 18:39Speaker 1: and then they're getting on and then they're getting on
- 18:41Speaker 1: on zoom with me with.
- 18:42Speaker 7: Him, and he's and there and he's like, Hey, this
- 18:44Speaker 7: is my buddy, and they're gonna help me. They're coming
- 18:46Speaker 7: in and they're helping.
- 18:47Speaker 1: And I was saying to mom and Dad, I was saying,
- 18:49Speaker 1: you know what for for the next month after he
- 18:51Speaker 1: gets arrested and he's on TMZ for beating up his
- 18:54Speaker 1: mom and he's on nintrosox side on camera. Maybe whoever
- 18:57Speaker 1: comes around out of the woodwork shouldn't be someone you
- 18:59Speaker 1: allow to go off with your son. Maybe we don't
- 19:01Speaker 1: allow that. And I just don't know why I had
- 19:03Speaker 1: to say that to these people. The mom gets on
- 19:04Speaker 1: the phone to me and she's like, listen, I know
- 19:08Speaker 1: exactly what my son is.
- 19:09Speaker 7: And I'm not kidding you guys.
- 19:10Speaker 1: I hung up on her and I went and I
- 19:12Speaker 1: went that tone, that attitude, those excuses, Why why why I.
- 19:16Speaker 7: Don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.
- 19:17Speaker 1: I help that lady craft her statement to the press
- 19:21Speaker 1: that Entertainment Weekly and everybody ran with because I have
- 19:24Speaker 1: a prowless with the written word. And I literally was like,
- 19:27Speaker 1: I am trying to help you here, like I'm trying
- 19:29Speaker 1: to support you. I feel like the lawyer will call me,
- 19:32Speaker 1: I'll be threatened, like they'll say they're gonna kill me.
- 19:35Speaker 7: It's like I don't care. I'm an honest person.
- 19:36Speaker 1: I think people deserve to like know, like when something's
- 19:39Speaker 1: so ridiculous, Like there's people that say in his comments,
- 19:42Speaker 1: like what is going on?
- 19:43Speaker 7: It's like, this is what's going on you guys.
- 19:45Speaker 1: There's always more to something that might be real fucked up,
- 19:48Speaker 1: it might be insane. He was calling me on the
- 19:50Speaker 1: phone and he was like being inappropriate and he was
- 19:52Speaker 1: like being sexual, and then his mom was in the
- 19:55Speaker 1: corner watching.
- 19:56Speaker 7: I'm just so like, I'm just like, oh my my god.
- 20:00Speaker 1: I hope anyone that watches my movie like knows I'm
- 20:02Speaker 1: trying to bring truth to the room. So even in
- 20:04Speaker 1: this which weird situation, I'm just trying to bring truth.
- 20:07Speaker 3: It hurts.
- 20:08Speaker 4: I can see how much you care about him, but
- 20:09Speaker 4: it's like you're doing the right thing. You really are.
- 20:13Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys. Yet my nervous system has
- 20:15Speaker 1: been shot and I'm like, oh my.
- 20:16Speaker 7: Gosh, I need to get back to me, like now.
- 20:18Speaker 1: The good thing is I mean, I'm saying everything that
- 20:20Speaker 1: I can. I hope everybody like understands to be kind
- 20:23Speaker 1: to him. This is really what's going on. Like this
- 20:25Speaker 1: is a really messed up in intense situation. But yeah,
- 20:28Speaker 1: like taking care of yourself is important because I can't
- 20:32Speaker 1: be the best version of me just in general in
- 20:34Speaker 1: the world if I'm like weighed down by this. That's
- 20:37Speaker 1: why my mom has been so supportive but also really
- 20:39Speaker 1: hard on me, because she's just been like giving me
- 20:42Speaker 1: a strong hand because she knows, I guess even better
- 20:44Speaker 1: than me. She said she's dealt with circumstances like this before,
- 20:48Speaker 1: and so it's like kind of like sometimes people see it.
- 20:51Speaker 1: And then it was hard too because I was trying
- 20:53Speaker 1: to give the benefit of the doubt because I'm the
- 20:55Speaker 1: kind of guy I really do lead with the idea
- 20:59Speaker 1: that if so one says something about someone or if
- 21:01Speaker 1: someone's messing up like that, there's something more beyond that.
- 21:04Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of guy that likes to gossip.
- 21:06Speaker 1: I don't like to like turn on people. I just
- 21:08Speaker 1: I think people have done that to me in my life,
- 21:10Speaker 1: and so that's why I'm a defender of it. And
- 21:12Speaker 1: and nine times out of ten it actually is earned.
- 21:14Speaker 1: When people are being gossiped about, it is true and
- 21:17Speaker 1: it blows up in my face. But I'm always the
- 21:19Speaker 1: one that's like, nah, like I'm gonna let you prove to.
- 21:22Speaker 7: Me who you are.
- 21:23Speaker 1: And so like, even in this situation with someone being
- 21:25Speaker 1: on substances, it's like it crushed me because it was like, okay,
- 21:29Speaker 1: like you're you promised you're.
- 21:30Speaker 2: Gonna get off of it. I can start crying right now.
- 21:32Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not about me, but it's
- 21:34Speaker 1: just like I really genuinely it's like someone's going the
- 21:37Speaker 1: other direction and I'm just like you said, you we're
- 21:39Speaker 1: gonna stop, like you promised, like you said you want
- 21:43Speaker 1: to like why are you doing this anyway? It's just
- 21:46Speaker 1: like and so that's the thing I'm gonna just have
- 21:48Speaker 1: to like work through on my own, is because it's
- 21:51Speaker 1: over so fast, like I'm not talking to him now
- 21:53Speaker 1: right now, and it's like, you know, I have to
- 21:55Speaker 1: just realize that whatever is happening with him, that that's
- 21:58Speaker 1: part of what he chose. And I do support him,
- 22:01Speaker 1: and I hope people know when on the message boards
- 22:03Speaker 1: and stuffing like no one cares. It's like, I'm sure
- 22:05Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that care, just like me,
- 22:07Speaker 1: and it's just like what can you do and just being.
- 22:09Speaker 7: So frank started who knows.
- 22:10Speaker 8: So then if someone tells you they're assaulted, and someone
- 22:12Speaker 8: tells you all this stuff, you want to stick.
- 22:13Speaker 1: By them even more. And then they're saying I'm getting
- 22:15Speaker 1: off the drugs and so then you go okay. So
- 22:17Speaker 1: that's how Brian was like with him, like throughout all
- 22:20Speaker 1: of this, I was with him until yesterday.
- 22:23Speaker 7: I gause. It's just like okay, okay, okay.
- 22:25Speaker 1: And I feel like that might be relatable for other
- 22:27Speaker 1: people to hear and know. It's like I'm not going
- 22:30Speaker 1: to beat myself up because it's like you want to.
- 22:32Speaker 7: Have that grace and you want to like believe.
- 22:34Speaker 1: And then unfortunately, but also fortunately time and distance and
- 22:38Speaker 1: not a lot of it, when someone's in this kind
- 22:40Speaker 1: of situation will reveal itself to you.
- 22:43Speaker 7: You'll just realize.
- 22:44Speaker 1: What's really actually like, what's where to lay your hat.
- 22:47Speaker 7: On or not? You know, the truth always comes out.
- 22:50Speaker 4: I think like us we saw righte firsthand on the Instagram.
- 22:54Speaker 4: People are going to see something's not right.
- 22:55Speaker 1: Here, and yeah, like I don't like it's like Hollywood
- 22:58Speaker 1: is so awful, and I mean like I like that
- 23:01Speaker 1: I've kind of stayed in my own lane at least
- 23:04Speaker 1: because it's like I've watched people like it's just a cliche,
- 23:07Speaker 1: but that like and he falls into it too, unfortunately,
- 23:09Speaker 1: but it's like having had whatever, like touched to the
- 23:12Speaker 1: sun too close and then like just falling apart and
- 23:15Speaker 1: not like because it's hard.
- 23:16Speaker 7: You know, I get it.
- 23:17Speaker 1: I understand that, like this industry is like what's your
- 23:20Speaker 1: next thing and what's going on? And I guess I'm
- 23:21Speaker 1: not trying to minimize myself, but it's all like he
- 23:24Speaker 1: just strikes me as the type of guy that's like
- 23:25Speaker 1: he demands attention at all times. And it's just like
- 23:28Speaker 1: it's odd because he even kind of kind of took
- 23:32Speaker 1: my project and tried to turn it into like this
- 23:34Speaker 1: only fans kind of like aggressive thing, because I think
- 23:37Speaker 1: that that was his business strategy to keep having attention
- 23:40Speaker 1: on himself. Like it's very he's actually a very calculated
- 23:43Speaker 1: person because.
- 23:44Speaker 7: It's what you have to be in Hollywood.
- 23:45Speaker 1: It's not that he isn't nice, it's not that all
- 23:47Speaker 1: these things aren't you know, true about him, but it's
- 23:50Speaker 1: like to be in Hollywood and I'm I'm being honest,
- 23:52Speaker 1: I'm like this too, Like you have to be you
- 23:54Speaker 1: have to have like an intentionality of how you're going
- 23:56Speaker 1: to operate. And the best things work out is when
- 23:59Speaker 1: everyone's friend about it and you just come together with respect, like.
- 24:02Speaker 7: Oh, you want to get this done and I want
- 24:04Speaker 7: to get.
- 24:04Speaker 1: This done, and you see yourself this way and I
- 24:06Speaker 1: see myself this way and so like it's just like,
- 24:09Speaker 1: but that's really rare for some reason because in Hollywood,
- 24:12Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people they I don't know, it's just
- 24:16Speaker 1: like they they actually are just like so narcissistic and
- 24:19Speaker 1: it's just like you.
- 24:20Speaker 4: Can't even imagine being in Hollywood. I you see so
- 24:22Speaker 4: many celebrities that have gone down the tubes. They either drugs, mental.
- 24:29Speaker 4: Let mean, look at Britney Spears.
- 24:30Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, and I met her too, and she
- 24:34Speaker 3: was amazing down to earth.
- 24:36Speaker 5: You would never think of you know, where she's at today?
- 24:41Speaker 7: No, totally.
- 24:42Speaker 1: And it's sad because there's so much accessibility now. So
- 24:45Speaker 1: the thing that's interesting is that if you want to
- 24:47Speaker 1: know someone and what's going on in their head. You
- 24:49Speaker 1: will you don't know what's going on in their head,
- 24:51Speaker 1: and it's like that's what's interesting, And I think it
- 24:54Speaker 1: just shows that mental health awareness is like a real
- 24:57Speaker 1: thing that we should all have, which have no shame
- 24:59Speaker 1: and no judgment about it. And like everybody's grappling with
- 25:02Speaker 1: something and Hollywood doesn't do anyone any favors.
- 25:05Speaker 7: I'm literally candidly telling you guys.
- 25:07Speaker 1: It's like after some of the success I've had in
- 25:09Speaker 1: my own career, like I've struggled, I've had to do
- 25:11Speaker 1: food deliveries. I've really humbled myself by just doing grunt
- 25:15Speaker 1: work and like working, and it's like, I think it
- 25:17Speaker 1: was the biggest blessing that ever happened to me in
- 25:18Speaker 1: my life because I can step into the arena of
- 25:21Speaker 1: Hollywood and I can kind of not be a part
- 25:23Speaker 1: of all of this, Like I am genuinely humbled and
- 25:26Speaker 1: I try to be kind to everybody.
- 25:28Speaker 7: It's like, I literally don't feel like.
- 25:30Speaker 1: This desperate, like narcissistic pain, the pain that a lot
- 25:35Speaker 1: of people have, like is something they would have if
- 25:38Speaker 1: they actually humbled themselves and just did something else. It's
- 25:41Speaker 1: almost like this pressure cooker situation by thinking like I
- 25:44Speaker 1: need to be more famous and I need more success
- 25:46Speaker 1: and I need more attention, I need to date someone
- 25:47Speaker 1: else famous. It just creates like a never ending chaotic
- 25:50Speaker 1: energy that eventually collides with yourself. And so it's like
- 25:53Speaker 1: you have to It's not for everyone, but I feel
- 25:55Speaker 1: like you have to be of both worlds. Like I
- 25:57Speaker 1: love acting, but like Hollywood, I could take her leave.
- 25:59Speaker 1: And like I said, like like I've done things that
- 26:01Speaker 1: like people get like wait what, Like this is what
- 26:03Speaker 1: you're doing? This isn't this isn't cool looking, This isn't it.
- 26:05Speaker 1: This isn't this isn't like the look right, And it's
- 26:08Speaker 1: like it.
- 26:09Speaker 4: Seems like you have a good head on your shoulder
- 26:10Speaker 4: and you're staying away from that and you are aware
- 26:13Speaker 4: of it.
- 26:13Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, I appreciate you.
- 26:15Speaker 1: It's like, what's so funny is until today even actually
- 26:19Speaker 1: I was not an acceptance like and letting go and
- 26:22Speaker 1: like and admitting the defeat because I and but that
- 26:25Speaker 1: was untenable. Actually hit a wall. I was actually like
- 26:27Speaker 1: I like I just like I am like learning in
- 26:30Speaker 1: real time, like my morality that is a real thing
- 26:32Speaker 1: that I actually have that we don't all have, but like,
- 26:35Speaker 1: God help us, I hope we all will like find
- 26:38Speaker 1: if we don't, because it's a real like thing that
- 26:40Speaker 1: we should tap into, not run away from.
- 26:42Speaker 7: It like will guide you at.
- 26:43Speaker 1: A certain point, You'll just I didn't think that my
- 26:45Speaker 1: wall would be where my wall.
- 26:46Speaker 7: Was, and then it just happened. I was like, I
- 26:48Speaker 7: guess this is my wall.
- 26:49Speaker 4: I guess So, I mean, is the Is the film
- 26:52Speaker 4: finished now or are you still okay?
- 26:54Speaker 6: All right?
- 26:54Speaker 7: Thank god finished?
- 26:56Speaker 1: It comes out November twenty first Reckless movie dot Net.
- 26:58Speaker 7: I'm so proud of the word.
- 27:00Speaker 2: I really am.
- 27:01Speaker 1: I was gonna say that he was so high on
- 27:03Speaker 1: the last day of filming that I've had to cut
- 27:06Speaker 1: every single scene of his performance like this.
- 27:09Speaker 2: Except for one.
- 27:09Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to make light of this, but
- 27:11Speaker 1: when you watch my movie, if you decide to, you
- 27:13Speaker 1: can see the difference between him sober and then him
- 27:17Speaker 1: at the very end of the of the movie on set,
- 27:19Speaker 1: not because I'm gonna have that scene in the movie,
- 27:23Speaker 1: and it's like, it's just like and it's sad because
- 27:25Speaker 1: he's told me like, oh, I'm crushing it in my auditions,
- 27:28Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you're not and even my editor
- 27:30Speaker 1: was all like, this performance is not it and it's like,
- 27:33Speaker 1: I just like, there's a big difference between when someone's
- 27:35Speaker 1: sober and when someone's on nitrosoxide, like, and so it
- 27:37Speaker 1: only works in this one scene because, like I said,
- 27:39Speaker 1: the context is you'll just think that he obviously got
- 27:42Speaker 1: drunk to go talk to me, I know, say something lame.
- 27:44Speaker 1: But I thought to myself, if we were all in
- 27:46Speaker 1: heaven and it was Max in heaven and he's not
- 27:48Speaker 1: weighed down by the sins and the choices and the tragedies, God,
- 27:51Speaker 1: that guy's like the best. He's like the best of
- 27:53Speaker 1: the best, like, and that's why he has soared in
- 27:55Speaker 1: a way because it's like, what an amazing soul, Like,
- 27:58Speaker 1: what an amazing person. And it's like and you can
- 28:01Speaker 1: bring that to your life, but you gotta be honest,
- 28:03Speaker 1: you gotta work through your shit, you gotta call it out.
- 28:06Speaker 2: I still love that I'm on here with you.
- 28:07Speaker 1: Guys, if you have family that loves you and cares
- 28:09Speaker 1: about you, like, take it to heart and love it
- 28:11Speaker 1: and cherish it. Having family and friends that care about
- 28:15Speaker 1: you is worth more than any.
- 28:17Speaker 2: Of the shit that people will look at and think
- 28:19Speaker 2: is so cool that myself or.
- 28:21Speaker 1: Max or other people accomplish in our lives, like hold
- 28:24Speaker 1: on and cherish the small things in life.
- 28:26Speaker 2: They matter so much. And I promise you.
- 28:29Speaker 1: On the other side of like people that look like
- 28:31Speaker 1: they're having the best time is people being lonely. Like
- 28:35Speaker 1: this industry is very lonely. Like it's very ruthless, and
- 28:38Speaker 1: it's very competitive. And if you're a genuine person, I
- 28:41Speaker 1: think of how Lady Gaugust said the same thing once.
- 28:43Speaker 1: It's like, and I'm just the kind of person that
- 28:45Speaker 1: just can't help but to like not want to be depressing,
- 28:48Speaker 1: but want to just be honest. I didn't ever intend
- 28:51Speaker 1: to think I was gonna like write direct do my
- 28:53Speaker 1: own things. I've like had to because I have an
- 28:56Speaker 1: undying passion for acting. It's like, oh, can you brown
- 28:59Speaker 1: knows this person? And can you like make sure you're
- 29:01Speaker 1: friends with that person? And like, oh my god, are
- 29:03Speaker 1: you gonna go to that party? And what is everyone
- 29:04Speaker 1: saying about that person? And like, oh my god, do
- 29:06Speaker 1: you think maybe they're gonna give.
- 29:07Speaker 2: Me a part?
- 29:07Speaker 1: And like that's so fucking exhausting. Like I probably get
- 29:10Speaker 1: less auditions. I probably have lost opportunities, and I'm literally
- 29:13Speaker 1: like more driven to making my own content. And if
- 29:15Speaker 1: you watch my movie, like tell me genuinely if you
- 29:18Speaker 1: think I'm talented or not, because it's like I genuinely
- 29:21Speaker 1: feel like this is my vocation and so like I'm
- 29:23Speaker 1: being so transparent because.
- 29:25Speaker 2: It's like I love to work.
- 29:26Speaker 1: If anyone's listening to what I'm saying and you like
- 29:28Speaker 1: responding to my authenticity, like hire me, Like, let's make
- 29:31Speaker 1: things together. Let's like work on things, Let's bring truth
- 29:33Speaker 1: to art. Let's like continue to evolve. Let's like let's
- 29:36Speaker 1: like move beyond the nonsense, like we all know it.
- 29:39Speaker 1: We're in twenty twenty five, Like let's just call things
- 29:41Speaker 1: out and not allow like like nonsense. Imagine when you're
- 29:44Speaker 1: on the public stage and then everyone's attacking his behavior.
- 29:49Speaker 1: That's what was breaking my heart too, because he's he's
- 29:51Speaker 1: someone who sees all of it and he reads all
- 29:53Speaker 1: of it, and I don't think it sends him in
- 29:55Speaker 1: a direction of betterment. It kind of can make him
- 29:58Speaker 1: feel Like he even said this to me once and
- 30:00Speaker 1: I relate to it, and in my own way, he
- 30:01Speaker 1: was all like they want crazy, I'm want to give
- 30:04Speaker 1: them crazier than ever, you.
- 30:06Speaker 8: Know, like and before he got arrested, he actually said
- 30:09Speaker 8: to me, baby, baby.
- 30:10Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you so famous.
- 30:12Speaker 1: And I literally was just like I said nothing because
- 30:15Speaker 1: I was just like, honestly, like what is going on here?
- 30:17Speaker 1: And it's just like so like there was a calculated
- 30:20Speaker 1: intent he would say this.
- 30:21Speaker 2: Honestly, he did not plan to get arrested.
- 30:24Speaker 1: He did not plan to have an altercation with his family,
- 30:27Speaker 1: and he wishes he was off nitrous oxide, I'm sure,
- 30:30Speaker 1: but he had an intention for whatever reason of wanting.
- 30:33Speaker 2: To just like get attention.
- 30:35Speaker 1: And it's just like and that led to like this
- 30:37Speaker 1: stuff of why he was on live all the time,
- 30:39Speaker 1: and it was it's really awkward. It's very strange because
- 30:42Speaker 1: it was such a like a drug field, Haye that
- 30:44Speaker 1: some of it, I'm sorry, I have to be frank.
- 30:46Speaker 1: It was so funny to me, like it's like the
- 30:48Speaker 1: wicked part of it, and like I'm listening to Wicked.
- 30:50Speaker 1: I'm just living my best life. I want to drink
- 30:52Speaker 1: my alcohol, man, like leave me alone and drinking my
- 30:55Speaker 1: at like.
- 30:55Speaker 2: Out some of it. Some of it was like so
- 30:57Speaker 2: cringey and funny.
- 30:59Speaker 3: We actually have a clip of that. Put your phone.
- 31:04Speaker 6: Down, give me the phone, the Wicked soundtrack.
- 31:25Speaker 7: I haven't heard anyone ever.
- 31:26Speaker 6: I've don't hurt people.
- 31:27Speaker 2: Mom, give me the phone.
- 31:31Speaker 7: Give me the phone, do anything, give me the phone.
- 31:36Speaker 7: Do I trust you?
- 31:37Speaker 6: If you do, you want me to trust you, You're
- 31:39Speaker 6: on live.
- 31:40Speaker 7: I did do it. So you're basically wanting to get
- 31:45Speaker 7: on with your evening and have some wine.
- 31:46Speaker 2: Is that what I do?
- 31:47Speaker 7: I want to have some whining, go on with my evening. Man, Okay,
- 31:53Speaker 7: to leave.
- 31:53Speaker 6: Me alone, Like, I literally just want to have whining.
- 31:56Speaker 2: Go to.
- 32:00Speaker 6: I'm here.
- 32:01Speaker 7: We're not trying to bother you or anything.
- 32:02Speaker 4: Max, we just need to speak and then we'll be
- 32:04Speaker 4: completely done with this whole night.
- 32:06Speaker 7: You can get back to your evening and have your wine. Okay,
- 32:11Speaker 7: what's up?
- 32:13Speaker 1: Because it's just like you're so on something and this
- 32:16Speaker 1: is so dumb, and that's like where it's coming from,
- 32:19Speaker 1: like this dumb im maturity. I gave everything the reckless
- 32:22Speaker 1: I did. I'm so satisfied artistically, like genuinely. That's what's
- 32:25Speaker 1: interesting about the Max of it all. It's like, oh, yeah,
- 32:29Speaker 1: we did make a movie, and it's like I am
- 32:31Speaker 1: satisfied artistically and that does mean something, and so it's
- 32:34Speaker 1: like it is something where like candidly, at least for myself,
- 32:36Speaker 1: I can't go more than like three four years without
- 32:39Speaker 1: having another like artistically satisfying experience. But my point is is,
- 32:44Speaker 1: like you don't have to be a workhorse in Hollywood
- 32:46Speaker 1: and you don't have to put a movie out every
- 32:48Speaker 1: six months. I do have another project coming out in February,
- 32:51Speaker 1: and I understand the desire of being that workhorse when.
- 32:54Speaker 2: You need to be, and I want to do that
- 32:56Speaker 2: a little bit.
- 32:57Speaker 1: But like beyond that, it's like having the breath to
- 32:59Speaker 1: understand and that it's really draining and that it's not
- 33:02Speaker 1: fulfilling on a human level.
- 33:04Speaker 2: I'm just so sorry. It's not like on a human level.
- 33:06Speaker 1: You go to set and you work with other people
- 33:08Speaker 1: and like a lot of them are like weirdos, like
- 33:10Speaker 1: because of like the way they view like what they
- 33:12Speaker 1: think they're getting out of Hollywood and like what they want.
- 33:15Speaker 1: And it's not like I'm having a problem working with anyone.
- 33:18Speaker 1: It's just that like if you don't genuinely connect to people,
- 33:21Speaker 1: so you're just genuinely in it because of the love
- 33:23Speaker 1: of the vocation, you know, and you just hope to
- 33:25Speaker 1: find even a few people that you can be friends
- 33:27Speaker 1: with that are right. That's why I think people work
- 33:30Speaker 1: together with the same people when you do find that,
- 33:32Speaker 1: because it's like, of course, you know what I mean,
- 33:34Speaker 1: why I mean, if he wasn't on drugs, I'm serious,
- 33:37Speaker 1: Like it's a big one because that's not where we went.
- 33:40Speaker 1: But like the expectation was that we would have kept
- 33:42Speaker 1: working together. It was a pleasure working with him up
- 33:44Speaker 1: until like September twenty seventh, when when I first saw
- 33:48Speaker 1: the nitrosox side situation start to come up.
- 33:51Speaker 2: But yeah, how did you meet him?
- 33:54Speaker 3: Like how did this whole movie form to where he
- 33:58Speaker 3: was involved in it? I you didn't know him prior?
- 34:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know him prior.
- 34:03Speaker 1: I knew him peripherally because I was in a web
- 34:05Speaker 1: series called Youthful Days that was Emmy nominated in twenty sixteen,
- 34:08Speaker 1: and he performed at the twenty sixteen Daytime Emmys. And
- 34:12Speaker 1: I'm admitting, like in my rose colored glasses in my
- 34:14Speaker 1: own life, when I was like like feeling like, oh,
- 34:17Speaker 1: what an accomplishment and this is so great, I like
- 34:19Speaker 1: really tuned into the industry at that moment. Like if
- 34:21Speaker 1: you were popping in the soap industry in twenty and sixteen.
- 34:25Speaker 1: I know who you are, you know what I mean,
- 34:26Speaker 1: But it's like, if you're doing it now, I don't
- 34:29Speaker 1: even know. I'm no disrespect, but it's like, but it
- 34:31Speaker 1: was that moment in time and like and so he
- 34:34Speaker 1: is the singer and a musician and then he gets
- 34:37Speaker 1: engaged to Demi Lovado and I just kind of follow
- 34:39Speaker 1: this and like we had said we wanted to work together.
- 34:41Speaker 1: I knew him very casually, but like I had had
- 34:43Speaker 1: dialogue with him about wanting to work together, but it
- 34:46Speaker 1: wasn't until I got him on What's Funny. And it's
- 34:49Speaker 1: like I've said this before, but he was my first
- 34:51Speaker 1: choice to play the Michael Douglas role in Fatal Attraction.
- 34:54Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna be going close, and I
- 34:56Speaker 1: you know, was trying to think in this realm of
- 34:58Speaker 1: twenty sixteen Brian James, like who's a soap op or
- 35:02Speaker 1: a commodity thing? Like he took to the material and
- 35:05Speaker 1: we started rehearsing August twenty first, and we just started
- 35:08Speaker 1: to get to know each other and it was great
- 35:09Speaker 1: and it was professional and like that's why I'm really
- 35:11Speaker 1: proud of the movie and proud of the work, and
- 35:13Speaker 1: proud of ninety percent of the work that was not
- 35:16Speaker 1: tainted by substance.
- 35:17Speaker 2: Abuse, and you know, maybe ninety five wasn't actually.
- 35:22Speaker 1: But it's like still like nonetheless and also just like
- 35:26Speaker 1: when I was getting to know him and everything, he
- 35:28Speaker 1: lived up to the expectation of what you would think
- 35:30Speaker 1: of him, Like he's a great, nice school professional, like
- 35:34Speaker 1: talented person. And so it's like even when this first started,
- 35:38Speaker 1: and it's like it's gotten so much further now, but
- 35:41Speaker 1: it's like just the bottom line about substance abuse shouldn't
- 35:44Speaker 1: be a reflection of who a person is. With that
- 35:46Speaker 1: being said with me, with this guy now, it's like
- 35:48Speaker 1: they'll reveal more about.
- 35:50Speaker 2: Themselves through it.
- 35:51Speaker 1: But it's just like having a substance abuse problem in general.
- 35:54Speaker 1: I hope doesn't like make people turn away from people.
- 35:57Speaker 1: I really hope not, because it's like that could I
- 35:59Speaker 1: think that could have to anybody, And it's like trying
- 36:01Speaker 1: to have compassion for that. I know I would like
- 36:03Speaker 1: just off topic of what your question was, that's how
- 36:06Speaker 1: we met each other, though, like just just know each other,
- 36:09Speaker 1: can't like briefly and then you know, like coming together
- 36:13Speaker 1: because he liked the script. Whoever cares When you guys
- 36:16Speaker 1: released this, I will post this on all of my shit,
- 36:19Speaker 1: and I want to not trying to sound all my
- 36:21Speaker 1: shit on all of my stuff and on all my stuff,
- 36:24Speaker 1: and I will say, like, if you care to know
- 36:26Speaker 1: what I think, what I feel, and what's really been
- 36:28Speaker 1: going on in my life, then click here.
- 36:29Speaker 3: Do you think Demi Levado about part to play in this?
- 36:33Speaker 6: Oh?
- 36:33Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
- 36:34Speaker 1: I think the Demi Levado, who seems like a really
- 36:37Speaker 1: honest person like myself, like, has admitted that she's had
- 36:41Speaker 1: substance abuse problems, and it's like, ads very clear to
- 36:44Speaker 1: me that he's had problems with drugs for at least
- 36:47Speaker 1: five years, if not longer. But the things is like, yeah,
- 36:50Speaker 1: Demi Levado who's had substance abuse problems clearly got Max
- 36:54Speaker 1: involved in this world of drugs and that's like, you know,
- 36:59Speaker 1: like I'm like very confident about that.
- 37:02Speaker 2: And it's like and further than that, Max like has
- 37:06Speaker 2: had all of.
- 37:06Speaker 1: These celebrity relationships in his life and it's like and
- 37:10Speaker 1: I feel like they've all like screwed with his head.
- 37:13Speaker 1: I would love for to be a positive outcome, there's
- 37:15Speaker 1: a redundancy unfortunately, and so logically what needs to happen
- 37:19Speaker 1: is rehab at the bare minimum. Honestly, it needs to
- 37:22Speaker 1: be rehab at the bare minimum and at the maximum
- 37:24Speaker 1: it needs to be.
- 37:25Speaker 2: So like so like like.
- 37:27Speaker 1: Like like a hold, like a psych like a psychiatric hole.
- 37:33Speaker 2: Yeah, which is not going to be easy.
- 37:35Speaker 1: So that's where your podcast matters, Like people matter, Like
- 37:37Speaker 1: the truth matters.
- 37:38Speaker 2: The accessibility in a good way matters more than ever.
- 37:41Speaker 1: Because it's just like people do care and are interested,
- 37:44Speaker 1: and it's like I'm like one of the only people
- 37:46Speaker 1: that really knows exactly what's going on, and like there's
- 37:49Speaker 1: not that many people, and a lot of them are
- 37:50Speaker 1: our enablers themselves. So that's how it can end up
- 37:53Speaker 1: looking this way where he's online posting thirty seven times
- 37:57Speaker 1: in a day and everyone's.
- 37:59Speaker 7: Like where is this?
- 38:00Speaker 2: Where is his support system?
- 38:01Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, like that's why I like
- 38:05Speaker 1: listening to everything we've talked about explains all of that.
- 38:08Speaker 1: It makes people then understand in a way that they
- 38:10Speaker 1: wouldn't otherwise. And that's what I appreciate about this experience
- 38:14Speaker 1: to be able to share with you because that it
- 38:17Speaker 1: like broke me, like honestly, like I was like feeling
- 38:20Speaker 1: like they're attacking me because I am like his friend
- 38:23Speaker 1: and like I was his friend and it's like it's
- 38:26Speaker 1: just like.
- 38:27Speaker 4: And because you know, you know the real shit, Yeah.
- 38:30Speaker 1: I got I got mom and dad on speed dial
- 38:33Speaker 1: right now and Max literally right now. Even in his life,
- 38:36Speaker 1: he has a code that he says he goes code
- 38:38Speaker 1: red And if Max, if Max says code read, then
- 38:42Speaker 1: that means that everyone better stop talking about whatever you're
- 38:45Speaker 1: talking about because he will not handle it. And if
- 38:48Speaker 1: you and if you don't abide by code red and
- 38:51Speaker 1: if you talk more anyway, well then you are leaving
- 38:54Speaker 1: yourself open to being like verbally assaulted or worse.
- 38:58Speaker 4: Do you think that they will come at you for
- 39:02Speaker 4: this or what do you think this is going to
- 39:04Speaker 4: be bad for you?
- 39:04Speaker 1: Or or I could give a shit like I literally
- 39:08Speaker 1: have done nothing wrong and I don't care, like, well
- 39:10Speaker 1: do what to me, like sue me, like I have
- 39:12Speaker 1: no money, Like these people are kind of pathetic like
- 39:15Speaker 1: like whatever, like I'm I'm being so serious like all
- 39:18Speaker 1: of this kind of being exposed. Can just like help Max,
- 39:21Speaker 1: like actually get out of this because this is not
- 39:24Speaker 1: going anywhere good, whether I said any of us or not.
- 39:27Speaker 1: It's literally like already obvious enough as it is. I
- 39:29Speaker 1: actually like talked to a lawyer before talking to you guys,
- 39:32Speaker 1: and the lawyer was all, like, every single thing that
- 39:35Speaker 1: he's gonna claim that you're saying, that's defamation. It's themes
- 39:39Speaker 1: that everyone can see is happening right now on his Instagram.
- 39:42Speaker 1: So I wish, so I wish it wasn't but that
- 39:44Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, I'm not at all because.
- 39:48Speaker 4: At the end of the day, I care. I don't
- 39:51Speaker 4: know you better.
- 39:51Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you. I really appreciate you.
- 39:54Speaker 4: We don't hurt you in any way.
- 39:55Speaker 2: No, thank you.
- 39:56Speaker 1: That means a lot to me, Like I really appreciate you, guys,
- 39:59Speaker 1: and I want you to know, like I'm gonna do
- 40:00Speaker 1: more of this kind of stuff with other people too,
- 40:02Speaker 1: so like it will be fine, Like I just already
- 40:04Speaker 1: know that, like this is the direction I'm going in
- 40:06Speaker 1: and is He's such a smart guy and he's so
- 40:09Speaker 1: fucking talented, and he was like saying back to me,
- 40:12Speaker 1: he said to me, it emotionally moves me because he
- 40:15Speaker 1: said to me, there's a part of me that is
- 40:18Speaker 1: so impressed with what you're saying and that you actually
- 40:21Speaker 1: care and that you're trying to help me. And I
- 40:23Speaker 1: feel like one day I'll look back on this and
- 40:26Speaker 1: I'll remember some of what you're saying, and I'll remember
- 40:29Speaker 1: that you were right, and.
- 40:31Speaker 2: It just made me feel back like he knows that.
- 40:35Speaker 1: And that's what's really fucked up, because you want to
- 40:37Speaker 1: think that if you know better.
- 40:40Speaker 2: That you're gonna do better.
- 40:42Speaker 1: Yes, it's like it's like that's like what's really hard,
- 40:45Speaker 1: because it's like that's like the hardest thing.
- 40:47Speaker 7: Actually.
- 40:48Speaker 1: I like that's why I kept sticking by him. He's
- 40:50Speaker 1: so self aware and so it's actually a choice to
- 40:54Speaker 1: continue to go in the direction that is like this
- 40:57Speaker 1: is destroyed.
- 40:58Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I could hug you right now.
- 41:02Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. I'm so raw right now. They
- 41:07Speaker 1: get in real time. I do care. I do care
- 41:11Speaker 1: about it. I just fucking hate seed. Somebody do this
- 41:19Speaker 1: to themselves.
- 41:20Speaker 4: I mean, do you have anything else, like a message
- 41:22Speaker 4: you want to get out there about this or even
- 41:25Speaker 4: about your movie so that it can help from I
- 41:28Speaker 4: want to I don't want to help, like I mean,
- 41:30Speaker 4: I can't know.
- 41:31Speaker 2: I love you guys, thank you. Yeah, will you please
- 41:33Speaker 2: watch this movie.
- 41:34Speaker 4: I watch him so carefully, like what, okay, you have.
- 41:39Speaker 1: To watch Seed thirty seven, which will be like probably
- 41:42Speaker 1: like thirty forty minutes into the movie everyone, because that's
- 41:44Speaker 1: where I'm showing you him on nitrosox side in the
- 41:47Speaker 1: scene because I'm saying that his character is drunk, and
- 41:50Speaker 1: just know for fun trivia that there are like seven
- 41:52Speaker 1: or eight other scenes where he was on nitrossox side
- 41:55Speaker 1: and that they've all been cut because it just does
- 41:58Speaker 1: not work. And I'm not trying to minimize this, but
- 41:59Speaker 1: a mas in a movie where I'm gonna play him
- 42:01Speaker 1: on action okay action, Alex, you need to leave me alone.
- 42:05Speaker 2: I'm married and I can't date you and I don't
- 42:07Speaker 2: want to be with you. And then the next scene
- 42:09Speaker 2: is yox, bro, what the fuck? But you got a
- 42:14Speaker 2: chill man, Like I'm not gay, Like I'm just living
- 42:19Speaker 2: my life. Listen, listen, listen. I'm not gonna do anything
- 42:23Speaker 2: to you, but I want to be alone.
- 42:25Speaker 1: Man, You're like weird, and I'm like saying to myself, honestly, like,
- 42:29Speaker 1: unless we show this character like hitting a crack pipe
- 42:32Speaker 1: in between these two scenes, it does not make any
- 42:35Speaker 1: sense what happened. I know you're like laughing right now
- 42:37Speaker 1: because I'm like, but can you Me and the editor
- 42:39Speaker 1: were just like, you know, you can see my face
- 42:42Speaker 1: if anyone's like, like, what's hearing me, it's like my
- 42:44Speaker 1: face just like my eyes are wide and my mouth
- 42:46Speaker 1: it's like slightly open, and you're just kind of.
- 42:48Speaker 2: Like in your mind you're like trying to think, like
- 42:51Speaker 2: is there anything I can do to save the sceed? Yeah,
- 42:54Speaker 2: and then like and then and then and.
- 42:56Speaker 1: Then sometimes as some of the scenes are going on,
- 42:57Speaker 1: and then you're just like okay, move on to the
- 42:59Speaker 1: next scene, like and just like delete this, like I
- 43:01Speaker 1: don't even want to watch anymore of it.
- 43:02Speaker 2: Like, and so with that being said, everyone, the movie
- 43:05Speaker 2: is amazing, and the.
- 43:07Speaker 1: Movie still the movie still has the through line that works,
- 43:10Speaker 1: and like, tell me for yourself what you think Reckless
- 43:12Speaker 1: movie done that?
- 43:12Speaker 2: November twenty first, Thank you.
- 43:16Speaker 7: I can't wait.
- 43:18Speaker 3: Well, we are definitely gonna watch it. And when is
- 43:22Speaker 3: the premiere you're having a premiere?
- 43:24Speaker 1: Yeah, the premiere is November eighteenth in LA and the
- 43:27Speaker 1: movie comes out November twenty first, and so I'm very
- 43:30Speaker 1: excited for everyone to watch it genuinely his work and
- 43:32Speaker 1: it is really is really good. And but at the
- 43:35Speaker 1: very least, you guys can watch this really entertaining movie
- 43:38Speaker 1: that is honestly like something that I'm very proud of,
- 43:41Speaker 1: and that is a direct reimagining a fatal attraction and
- 43:44Speaker 1: that you know, like has like everything you think to
- 43:48Speaker 1: want in that, like if you're a fan of that,
- 43:50Speaker 1: and it also is something kind of new and exciting,
- 43:54Speaker 1: and you've got to see the dynamic of me and
- 43:56Speaker 1: him officeit each other. And now that you know everything,
- 43:59Speaker 1: then you know it would just probably be more interesting
- 44:02Speaker 1: actually to watch it.
- 44:03Speaker 7: No, it's going to be.
- 44:04Speaker 3: It's going to be to be.
- 44:08Speaker 4: I'm not excited, but I mean, hey, I we love
- 44:11Speaker 4: talking to you. I'm I'm so glad that we were
- 44:13Speaker 4: able to talk at this raw point in your life.
- 44:16Speaker 4: And yeah, my heart goes out to you. And if
- 44:19Speaker 4: you're ever you want to talk, call us.
- 44:23Speaker 3: Look who just joined.
- 44:26Speaker 7: Max?
- 44:26Speaker 3: Somehow Max is in here? Well no, he tried to join,
- 44:30Speaker 3: it said Max's iPhone. But he's not on.
- 44:35Speaker 4: He's not on.
- 44:36Speaker 3: No, he uh he unjoined or left the meeting. I
- 44:41Speaker 3: don't know, but he.
- 44:43Speaker 2: Came and left immediately right.
- 44:46Speaker 3: He didn't know he couldn't hear us because it said
- 44:48Speaker 3: I had to admit him in.
- 44:50Speaker 4: Yeah, she didn't admit him. So it came up. Really
- 44:53Speaker 4: it flashed really fastly what is that? And then it
- 44:55Speaker 4: went away?
- 44:55Speaker 1: Yeah, but that should show you, like my heart started
- 44:58Speaker 1: racing the erratic behavior right yea of what's going on
- 45:01Speaker 1: right now? And I have a movie coming out in
- 45:04Speaker 1: February and I'd love to come back and talk to
- 45:05Speaker 1: you guys in February. Yes, definitely whatever's going on, you know,
- 45:09Speaker 1: like because please do I appreciate you guys.
- 45:11Speaker 2: You guys truly was a pleasure.
- 45:13Speaker 1: I really love doing pres in general, and like I mean,
- 45:15Speaker 1: this is this has been like as great as this
- 45:17Speaker 1: topic could have been about. Like thank you for having
- 45:20Speaker 1: such like a welcoming energy and being really like supportive
- 45:24Speaker 1: for me.
- 45:24Speaker 2: It means a lot to me.
- 45:25Speaker 8: I really am going through a lot as a person
- 45:27Speaker 8: right now, and I'm just appreciate of you.
- 45:29Speaker 7: It's genuine.
- 45:30Speaker 4: We're very genuine and yeah we do weak weak care
- 45:34Speaker 4: and I could see that you're intramoil and it breaks
- 45:36Speaker 4: my heart. So I'm praying for you too.
- 45:38Speaker 5: And that's our show for this week. Thank you, so
- 45:41Speaker 5: much for tuning in. Be sure to follow us.
- 45:44Speaker 3: At Shauna and La La on all social media platforms.
- 45:48Speaker 3: You could visit our website Shauna and Lala dot com
- 45:52Speaker 3: and don't forget to check out Brian James's new movie
- 45:56Speaker 3: Reckless on November twenty. First, you're listening to Shauna and Lala.
- 46:01Speaker 3: We will see you next week and that's our show.
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