Latest / Closing Sales in Nigeria - Sales For The Nigerian Business Person: The Sales and Marketing Blueprint / Sell the Benefit, Not the Product
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- 0:00Hello and welcome. My name is Tavishima Ayede.
- 0:04I'm the host of the podcast that I'm making today's recording at
- 0:06home. So I expect to hear some noise
- 0:08in the background because the kids and everyone at home.
- 0:11Now the goal of this podcast is solving business problems.
- 0:15So if you have issues with marketing, issues with
- 0:17customers, with your side hustle, with your career, with
- 0:20your career salesperson, or there's something holding your
- 0:22business back, then this is the show for you.
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- 0:38Today on the podcast, I want us to look at how we can get clear
- 0:43on what it is that we are selling.
- 0:45Let me repeat, today on the podcast, I want us to look at
- 0:48how we can get clear on what it is that we are selling.
- 0:51And that's because I had an engagement a few moments ago,
- 0:55spoke to a colleague of mine because you guys will remember
- 0:59that I'm the member of the APVA and that's the Association of
- 1:03Professional Voice Actor podcaster.
- 1:06Something something, something. I can't remember anyway, but if
- 1:09you're curious, just Google APVA and then join.
- 1:13If you're one of those people who want to make a career or who
- 1:17make want to make a living off of their voice, you know, you
- 1:20want to do voice over work, you want to be a podcaster, stuff
- 1:23like that. So it's a community of helpful
- 1:27professionals all across Africa because truly, you know, all of
- 1:31us were there, Nigerians were there, South African people were
- 1:34there, Mozambique, them they're there, Kenya, them Egypt, as in
- 1:39like we're all there if I don't even know who put the thing
- 1:41together. But whoever he or she is
- 1:44personally did a very good job. So there's one of the members
- 1:49who is in the business of her. Her business is what she does is
- 1:54podcast scripting, podcast editing, podcast everything.
- 1:59Excuse me. So with the business actually
- 2:00set up, if you wanted to get into podcasting, what you do is
- 2:04you go and meet her, you discuss, she'll take your
- 2:07podcast idea and make it a reality.
- 2:09All you have to do is just show up, sit down in the booth,
- 2:12record and then, you know, just sit down in the booth and then
- 2:15talk or interview a guest and then she does the rest.
- 2:18And so she's been trying to promote her services.
- 2:21And so we started the conversation because like most
- 2:26people, she has gone aggressively to start marketing
- 2:29the business and she has received from blowback.
- 2:32You know, some people who tell her basically like, look, I beg,
- 2:35don't contact me again if I'm interested.
- 2:37You know, I will. I will tell you so, Yeah, So
- 2:43that's how the conversation between me and her started.
- 2:45And it just shows when we started trying to diagnose what
- 2:52it is that was going on. You know why some people are
- 2:54telling her essentially to F of. Let me just put it this way,
- 3:00There are lots of you who are going around.
- 3:02You're trying to promote your product or service, you're
- 3:03trying to promote your business, you're trying to promote your
- 3:05hustle. What do you think?
- 3:07You're selling one thing when actually what you're selling is
- 3:09another. And that's one of the reasons
- 3:11why people are telling you to F off because you haven't gotten
- 3:14to the root of what it is that you are actually selling.
- 3:17And so you've not been able to engage with the person in an
- 3:20honest conversation about what it is that you're actually
- 3:24selling. So like with this lady in
- 3:26particular, since in her own mind, what she does is podcast
- 3:31scripting, podcast editing, content planning, scheduling,
- 3:36the calendar, you know, everything.
- 3:39She's thinking about things much more from an admin point of
- 3:41view, as though she's approaching people saying that,
- 3:44look, hey, if you want to start a podcast, if you want to start
- 3:48the podcast, come, I have these services.
- 3:50It's also so and so a month, you know, blah, blah, blah, you
- 3:53know, click here to apply. Click here to begin.
- 3:55You know that that sort of thing.
- 3:57So if you are sending that kind of messaging out to people,
- 4:01which is essentially this is me, this is what I do, click here to
- 4:05apply. You're going to turn a whole lot
- 4:07of people off because everybody has, you know, what's on their
- 4:10plate. Everybody has what they're
- 4:11chasing, everybody has what they're pursuing.
- 4:13And nobody gives an F about you, to be honest.
- 4:16Everybody's just trying to do their own life.
- 4:19So you show up in somebody's inbox, you know, this is me,
- 4:23this is what I do, This is how much.
- 4:25Click here to continue. You turn a lot of people off, by
- 4:29the way, It's not a bad approach.
- 4:31It's just that we have to be realistic about the the yield
- 4:36that will come from it. So I told her that look, you
- 4:38know what you're doing with the mass messaging and things like
- 4:40that. Industry averages are about 3%,
- 4:44meaning you blast out 100 messages to these people.
- 4:47You only get about three people to respond.
- 4:51And that is best case scenario because actually sometimes the
- 4:55three people who respond, I'll put it, OK, I'm sorry, I'm
- 5:03trying to rephrase. OK, let me put it that this way,
- 5:06industry research across the different average of industry
- 5:10research across different industries.
- 5:12Of course in North America, Western Europe show that
- 5:16customers are only in market about 3% of the time.
- 5:20I repeat, customers are only in market at about roughly 3% of
- 5:24the time. So in other words, if you sell
- 5:26suya and you decide to go outside and tell people buy my
- 5:30suya, buy my suya, buy my suya, the chances that you will meet
- 5:33somebody who is thinking about suya at this very moment and who
- 5:37wants to eat suya, the chances are 3%.
- 5:42And that is at a best case scenario because sometimes you
- 5:46meet somebody and the person truly wants to eat suya, but the
- 5:49person is already on his way to his favorite Syrian sport.
- 5:52So it's possible that even if you jam those three people who
- 5:54want to eat. So yeah, now, now, now, now,
- 5:55now, it doesn't mean you'll be able to get them to buy from
- 5:58you. So remember across different
- 6:01industries, whether fashion, whether consulting, whether fast
- 6:05moving consumer goods, whether whatever, chances are if you go
- 6:09and grab 100 people right now, the chances are that only 3% of
- 6:15them are in the market for what it is that you do.
- 6:18So I had to let her know that look, this is the best you can
- 6:21get from doing these sorts of things.
- 6:24And she said, you know what? I said what?
- 6:26She said this last campaign that I did, I reached out 50 people a
- 6:30day. I did 2 days.
- 6:31So that means I did 100 people. I said, OK, how many people were
- 6:35interested? She said two.
- 6:37How many of them paid? She said two.
- 6:39And I said, OK, well, you see, it just means that you actually
- 6:41are doing the averages. So in a sense, this approach
- 6:45also is not bad. The problem is just that in
- 6:49getting two people to buy or three people to buy, you
- 6:52actually are pissing off 97 people or 98 people.
- 6:56And that is not a good thing, which is why from a traditional
- 7:01sales perspective, we try to work on our messaging, we try to
- 7:07increase our conversions, We try to make sure that we're speaking
- 7:10to the right people in the 1st place so that we can make some
- 7:13money without all that negative blowback.
- 7:16Because for you, you might think, no problem, I got my 2
- 7:20customers. Each customer is worth, you
- 7:23know, 650K. This is 1.3 M.
- 7:27You know, some of you, that's what you're thinking.
- 7:29I don't care. I made 1.3 M this month.
- 7:32I made 1.3 last month. I'm going to make 1.3 next
- 7:35month, 1.31.31.3. You're forgetting the fact that
- 7:40you're pissing off 98 people or 97 people who are going to be
- 7:44talking crap about you. And then let's face it, our
- 7:49personal networks are limited. How many people do you have on
- 7:53your phone self? They're going to continue this
- 7:54kind of behaviour. Eventually you're going to burn
- 7:57through everybody in your personal network.
- 7:59Now what are you going to do? So you see the reason why these
- 8:02kinds of marketing campaigns breakdown.
- 8:05So in the beginning, people who take this approach, they will
- 8:08make their money, but eventually you will burn through your
- 8:12network and eventually you will generate too much negative,
- 8:16should I call it negative PR? So we have to try and fix the
- 8:20problem. So if you're one of these people
- 8:23who is engaging in this kind of behaviour, it's fine, it can
- 8:27work. Just know that at best you're
- 8:29looking at 3%. That is the best that will
- 8:33happen. So in trying to narrow down
- 8:43Abby, I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.
- 8:46I told her that look, you know what your messaging, first of
- 8:49all is me, me, me, me, me. If you're going to be doing this
- 8:53kind of messaging, what you need to do is you need to speak to
- 8:55the problem that people face. You need to be using problem
- 8:59based openers and you need to go straight to what your unique
- 9:03value proposition is so that people who have that problem
- 9:07will opt in or will opt out. So that should be their
- 9:11approach. So step one for her was we need
- 9:15to figure out exactly what it is that you're selling.
- 9:18So the assignment that I gave her is the two of them now
- 9:21bought. We need to have a conversation
- 9:22with them. Your portfolio of past clients
- 9:25for 2025242322, talk to them because you need to figure out
- 9:30what your unique value proposition is and that is what
- 9:33you're going to use to be opening your message.
- 9:36Of course, she needed some more clarification, so I explained
- 9:43she thinks what she's selling is administrative or creative
- 9:47services, and I told her you are not.
- 9:51Most people who want to start a podcast are doing it because
- 9:57they want to use it to grow their business.
- 9:58Like me. My own podcast is a business
- 10:03acquisition tool. I'm looking for people who have
- 10:08problems in their business and who are looking for a capable
- 10:12consultant to fix the problem. That's why I'm making this
- 10:15podcast. The goal is, or the math is I
- 10:20have 2900 subscribers on Spotify, a couple thousand on
- 10:24iTunes, a couple 100 here, a couple 100 here.
- 10:27You know, like that, like that, that over time people will be
- 10:32interested to learn more, to talk some more.
- 10:35They pick up the phone, they actually call me.
- 10:38And then from there I'm going to be able to get a certain number
- 10:41of consulting, consulting gigs and that has been working.
- 10:45It didn't work from year one to year 3, but after year three, to
- 10:49God be the glory. I'm getting some clients and the
- 10:51enquiries are going up and up and up.
- 10:53So this model is working. So there are people who get into
- 10:56podcasting because they want to make money like these girls.
- 11:02I said what I said, I just found out with my wife today that they
- 11:05did American leg of tour. So they just came back from New
- 11:08York. And I say our God, God, when,
- 11:12when will I get to that level that me too.
- 11:15I can start doing a podcast tour and people in America, they'll
- 11:20be saying, come, come, come and visit us, come and visit us.
- 11:23And then we sell out venues. And my wife said that for I said
- 11:28what? I said the ladies for the London
- 11:32tour, the venue that they had was 1005 and they they sold out.
- 11:38People came, people travelled. And I said, Hey, God where God
- 11:43where no, and it will get there. So you can see that there are
- 11:47people like me and that people like those girls.
- 11:49I said what I said. Then also these other people,
- 11:52the Honest Bunch, they did their own podcast tour where they went
- 11:55to Coventry. I heard, I think I heard this
- 11:58sold out, but I can't remember. Anyway, so there are those of us
- 12:01who are in the podcasting game and I own this money.
- 12:03We are seeing naira and Kobo and dollars in their own case.
- 12:07That's I said what I said them they're seeing dollars.
- 12:09I don't even see naira again, me, I'm still seeing naira for
- 12:11now. I will see dollars soon so that
- 12:13some of us who are looking at podcasting because we want to
- 12:16make money, then the other people who are in podcasting
- 12:20because they want to create a brand or because they have some
- 12:23missionary zeal around certain things like that.
- 12:26Some of you who have relationship podcasts or who
- 12:28have faith be based on podcasts. And that's just because you're
- 12:32trying to preach, you know, the healing that God brings into
- 12:35specific situations, you know, either in your marriage or in
- 12:39your relationships or your mental health or something.
- 12:42So those are the two people that enter into podcasts.
- 12:46So I told this lady that I was having a conversation with is
- 12:49that you are not selling administrative services and you
- 12:53are not selling creativity. What you're selling is you're
- 12:59selling podcasting either as a tool of making money or as a
- 13:04tool of self-expression. Does it?
- 13:06And you need to figure out what it is that you're selling.
- 13:09So if what you're selling is, I'm going to help you express
- 13:12yourself better in podcasts, your messaging needs to start on
- 13:16that very note. Are you interested in podcasting
- 13:20or do you have a podcast? Do you think you could be
- 13:24expressing yourself better or getting, you know, the most
- 13:27creative fulfillment out of your art?
- 13:29You know, you start it on that note, that kind of thing.
- 13:33You only piss off people. The person who sees and has a
- 13:38podcast, we'll continue to read and if they blend with it, sure
- 13:42no problem. If they don't blend with it,
- 13:45they will just ignore you because it's not that very hard
- 13:48and fast. This is me.
- 13:51My service is 650K per month. Click here to buy now.
- 13:56You know, it's different, it's softer and we're living with a
- 13:59problem for people to either lean in or lean out happy or
- 14:06lean away. And then if she has the
- 14:10conversation with her clients and she now realises that what
- 14:14she's been selling all along actually is podcasting as a tool
- 14:17for business growth, then her messaging should be around that.
- 14:21Are we thinking about ways to explode your business in 2026?
- 14:25And do you think podcasting might be a valuable tool for
- 14:28that question mark send those who think it might be a valuable
- 14:34tool, they will respond for those who don't think you know
- 14:37though, Fashi, but it's not a very hard charging message of
- 14:41this is me. This is my service 300 KA month.
- 14:44Click here to buy now. So start with problem based
- 14:49openers or your unique value proposition.
- 14:52But either way, we need to be very clear on figuring out what
- 14:56is it that you are selling. A lot of you think you're
- 14:59selling XYZ. No, you actually are selling a
- 15:02result and the results, the reason why people engage with
- 15:08products and services are usually three.
- 15:10There are some people who call this the value Trinity, like
- 15:13Victor Antonio, who calls it the value Trinity.
- 15:16And the value Trinity is physical, psychological, or
- 15:21financial. There's another person who calls
- 15:23it the three FS, even though none of them, excuse me, even
- 15:27though only one of them starts with F, but you know, they both
- 15:29sound, you know, so somebody calls them with three FS.
- 15:33So whether you hear somebody calling it the three FS or
- 15:35calling it the value Trinity, it is physical, financial or
- 15:39psychological. People buy your product or your
- 15:42service because they want a financial benefit.
- 15:44They want to look finer, they want to look taller, they want
- 15:46to look more handsome, they want to attract babes, you know,
- 15:48whatever physical. Then people also buy a product
- 15:53service because of financial benefits.
- 15:56They want to buy these things so that they will save more money.
- 15:58They want to buy these things so that they can double their
- 16:01income. They want to buy these things so
- 16:02that they can, you know, whatever share money is
- 16:05involved. And then the last one is what?
- 16:09OK, I'll say physical, I'll say financial.
- 16:12OK, I'll say, OK, now psychological, you know, they're
- 16:15buying your product or service so that they can pamper
- 16:17themselves, so they can live a soft life, so they can reclaim
- 16:21the peaceful vision of themselves, so they can find
- 16:23inner peace, so that they can find you.
- 16:26Whatever it is, no matter what it is you sell, it won't pass
- 16:29any of these three, sometimes a combination of these three, but
- 16:32sure, there's a physical benefit, there's a financial
- 16:36benefit or there's a psychological benefit.
- 16:40So sit down and figure out, you tell yourself, you say yourself,
- 16:44you say yes, this is my product that I'm selling.
- 16:47Truly, truly, truly. What benefit is it that people
- 16:49are getting from this product? Are they getting a physical
- 16:52benefit, are they getting a psychological benefit, or are
- 16:55they getting a psychological benefit?
- 17:00Once you determine that, that will determine how it is that
- 17:03you go about selling. Like take this, my client that
- 17:06I'm still doing the solar sales consultation for.
- 17:11So for solar people who are buying solar, the psychological
- 17:14benefit, Peace of Mind, no noise.
- 17:19My wife doesn't have to switch off generator.
- 17:21So for me, that was it. Psychological, OK, Yeah,
- 17:28psychological. That's Peace of Mind.
- 17:30Then there's physical benefits. Generator noise.
- 17:32That's OK. I'll say generator noise is more
- 17:33of a physical thing. So that's the physical benefit.
- 17:36And get some quiet instead of Nepal takes light and then boom,
- 17:39boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
- 17:41And then the whole house is shaking because of generator,
- 17:43diesel generator. And then financial benefits.
- 17:47There are some people who buy solar for financial benefits
- 17:49like I discovered with Mumsy, because once Mumsy hooked up, we
- 17:52hooked up. So like Mumsy's house, Mumsy's
- 17:55Nepal bill just crash brown. Because what Mumsy started
- 17:58doing, I didn't even know that people who do that is during the
- 18:01day, she will just on solar should turn off Nepal.
- 18:07I was shocked. I had no idea.
- 18:09And you know, some people are just crafty like that.
- 18:12Once the system was installed and the things started working,
- 18:14she was like, what's the point? She just started turning off
- 18:17Nepal and she will run solar throughout the day and she now
- 18:19switch off Nepal from Nepal. Now she now switch on Nepal from
- 18:24like 6 in the evening. Nepal bill instant by half cut
- 18:30down. So you can see that even for
- 18:35something like solar, there's a physical benefit, there's a
- 18:39financial benefit, there's a psychological benefit.
- 18:42Now if you know what it is that you're selling and you're going
- 18:46straight to the UVP for most of your clients it's mostly, let's
- 18:49say financial savings, then that is what your messaging will be.
- 18:56Are you looking for ways to cut down on your, are you in band a
- 19:00question mark? Are you looking for ways to cut
- 19:02down on your fuel or sorry on your Nepal bill of 450K per
- 19:09month? Then you know click on this link
- 19:11to find out how we can save you up to 60% on your solar, 60% on
- 19:16your Nepal bill. You can see that you're going
- 19:19straight to a problem that people are facing and using that
- 19:24to drive the conversation instead of saying here I am new
- 19:30in town, newer solar company, best models, best warranties,
- 19:35best quality, best pricing, best this click here to buy.
- 19:40Now that other kind of messaging, you're turning a
- 19:43whole bunch of people off. But if you say are you in band a
- 19:47question mark, those people who are in band CD, you know,
- 19:50they'll just ignore the message. Are you tired of spending
- 19:54between 200 to 450 K per month on utility bills?
- 19:58All those people who are spending 20K30K per month, they
- 20:01will ignore you. We can see that we're leading
- 20:05with. The unique value proposition,
- 20:09we're leading with the problem statement and we're moving the
- 20:13conversation on from there. So that kind of broadcast
- 20:18messaging yields better results. Those are the things that you do
- 20:22to hope to get better responses more than the 3%.
- 20:27That is for those of you who are broadcasting messages now saying
- 20:31I'm new in town, I'm the greatest, I am the best, I am
- 20:34high quality. Click here to buy now.
- 20:38So the whole point of today's podcast episode, sorry, was not
- 20:42as structured. I really should have taken time
- 20:44and gathered my thoughts. But whole point of today's
- 20:46episode was just in case you're like this friend of mine who's
- 20:50putting out these messages and you're unhappy with the results,
- 20:53just know that it's a game that the best you can hope to win is
- 20:583%. So if you're like her and out of
- 21:01100 people you got to, you actually are doing quite well.
- 21:06The problem is just that, you know, online marketing Bros will
- 21:10say if we do 100 and we get to then next month, let us send 200
- 21:18messages and get 4. And then let's send 800 messages
- 21:22and get what's that? I'll be 608, get 8, I'll be any
- 21:27whatever the math is. But the problem is, like I said,
- 21:30you will burn through whatever social capital you have very
- 21:33quickly because you piss everybody off, even your mom's
- 21:36who will block you. I can assure you she will block
- 21:39you on WhatsApp when she wants to talk to you.
- 21:41She will now call you on phone because she won't be able to
- 21:43stand all these constant broadcast, broadcast message
- 21:46that you're sending. So that's how you play that
- 21:51game. But then if you want to do
- 21:53things the way it's traditionally done in sales, we
- 21:55need to sit down. We need to think a bit.
- 21:57We need to figure out what are we selling?
- 22:00When we know what we're selling, it will determine who are we
- 22:03going to be chasing after. Because once we know what we're
- 22:05selling won't be broadcasting to everybody.
- 22:08Because we look at this message and we'll know that, OK, if
- 22:11we're saying do you live in Band-Aid, we'll now think, what
- 22:13is the point of me sending this message to Uncle, Uncle Goladi
- 22:22when I know the Hong Kongolade lives in XYZ part of Imo State?
- 22:27And you know, that one is Brandy.
- 22:29So why am I sending the message to him?
- 22:32Because UVP is clear, I will only send it to Uncle Kalistos
- 22:37who lives in, you know, the capital and who is Band A and
- 22:42who has two wives and 16 children.
- 22:45And so his energy bill must be very high.
- 22:49So what's your claim on the UVP? You will not be wasting your
- 22:52message up and down sending to all to anyhow anyhow kind of
- 22:55people because you see that this person I'm sending to cool a
- 22:59match is not matching. The problem is not matching the
- 23:01UVP. And then since we're starting
- 23:06with problem statements, we'll be drawing people in with a
- 23:09conversation. Then that's when our conversions
- 23:12will now start going up and up. We'll now notice that before we
- 23:15send 100 messages, we got three. We'll now notice that now we're
- 23:21sending 100 message and you know 36 people are answering the
- 23:26overtime we say 100 and then you know 52 are answering.
- 23:30You know small by small conversion will improve,
- 23:33improve. But on the state, again
- 23:36categorically because some of you have false expectations,
- 23:39there is no person, there is no market, there is no industry
- 23:44where conversion is 100%. That will never happen.
- 23:51Even God has not converted at 100%.
- 23:54It is not everybody that God has spoken to that has said, OK,
- 23:57God, I've heard you, I repent of my sins and I give my life over
- 24:01to you. So even God does not have 100%.
- 24:03So don't deceive yourself that you will never get 100%
- 24:06convention, but always keep trying.
- 24:10You do 45. Let's see if we can get to 48.
- 24:12We've done 48. Let's see if we can get to 52.
- 24:15We've done 62. Let's see if we can enter 70.
- 24:18We've done 90. Let's see if we can do 96.
- 24:20But you will never get 100% conversion, but always keep
- 24:23trying to improve. So that's it and that's all for
- 24:27today. Before you think of going out
- 24:30and blanket messaging people, you need to figure out what is
- 24:34it that I am selling? When you figure out what it is
- 24:39that you're selling your physical benefit, your financial
- 24:42benefit or psychological benefits, and you figure out the
- 24:44problem that you solve, you can now start crafting messages
- 24:48around those issues. Your conversions will now
- 24:52increase. Now, if you're one of these
- 24:54people like my friend who have already established the
- 24:58discipline of calling, reaching out to 50 people every week,
- 25:02keep it up. Progress is not far from you.
- 25:07And I told her you're going to succeed.
- 25:09The reason why I know she's going to succeed is not because
- 25:12I can see the future, but it's because most people are lazy.
- 25:15Her competitors are not going to be sending 50 messages a week.
- 25:20At the end of the day, she's one that's going to succeed.
- 25:23It's like me with the podcast. I know I'm going to be
- 25:25successful not because I'm the best, but because people are
- 25:28lazy. There are plenty of us that
- 25:30started five years ago today, If you check the business category,
- 25:35it's just me and one other guy. That's because everybody else
- 25:39was lazy and they gave up. That's why I know I'm going to
- 25:41be successful because I'm only down the line.
- 25:46I'm not going to stop. You will get lazy and you will
- 25:48stop. So when the time comes to reap
- 25:50the rewards, I'll be the only man standing.
- 25:54So that's how I know she's going to be successful because she's
- 25:57not going to be lazy. Too many people running around
- 25:59saying work hard not smart, work smart not like stop all that
- 26:03rubbish. In the African context, it is
- 26:05both working hard and working smart.
- 26:08Most of us are from farming communities.
- 26:10Our grandfathers didn't believe in hustle at all cost.
- 26:13They tried to make sure that they bought the best piece of
- 26:15land. That is the smart part.
- 26:18And they do the best to farm during the farming season and
- 26:21harvest during the harvesting season.
- 26:24So it is both work hard and work smart.
- 26:28But trust me, in today's world where too many people are lazy,
- 26:32the very fact that you're putting in the effort except if
- 26:39you're totally useless, honestly speaking because you are putting
- 26:42in the effort and you just continue and you stay
- 26:44consistent. Your your competitors, they'll
- 26:47be lazy and that's why you succeed.
- 26:49Anyway, let me stop here. So that's it and that's all.
- 26:53Remember if you'd love to connect then call SMS or
- 26:56WhatsApp me on 08064662140. Thank you for your time and
- 27:02attention. I'll catch you next time.
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