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Episode 3: Your Workouts Deserve a Calendar Invite · The Other 16 Hours

• Morgann Paul: Welcome to the other sixteen hours, a podcast about who you are outside of your job title. Rachel Hawley: We are two industry pharmacists, former fellows and friends navigating ambitious careers without losing ourselves in the process. Morgann Paul: Welcome back to the other sixteen hours, the podcast about ambition, identity, and everything outside the nine to five. Rachel Hawley: Hi Rachel. Morgann Paul: I'm Morgan and today we're talking about something that has become a pretty big part of our lives, working out. Especially when we're traveling and when we have to make fitness fit into our schedules rather than the other way around. Rachel Hawley: I'm really excited about this episode. I feel like it's like fitness and working out is a big part of both of our lives. So I'm just excited to don't know, have the conversation and I don't know, learn more. about you and what that looks like for you. but before we get into that, I know we both had some fun travel. I guess yours was like a mix of both work and personal travel and mine was more personal, but I wanna hear about your your time in North Carolina and Cape Cod. Morgann Paul: So I've this is actually my first, I think one of my first trips as my in my new role that I have had double travel booked. And so first of all, it was a lot, not gonna lie. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: But I went to North Carolina for a work trip and got to meet a bunch of new people that I was super excited to meet. And then of course we flew up we being me. flew up from North Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgann Paul: Carolina to Boston and drove to the Cape. So Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgann Paul: it was a lot. had my first in a while long time experience in the lounge where I was just grinding it out for like six hours and I was like, okay, this Rachel Hawley: nice. Morgann Paul: is the the only time you get to get work done. I feel like my boyfriend's parents were like, I'm so sorry we left you there forever. And I was like, honestly I was happy as a clown. Like I got so much done. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Wait, what lounge are you a member of? Okay. You're Chicago, so that totally makes sense. And I feel like I keep seeing Morgann Paul: I am a united girly by heart. Yes. Yes, wait, what about you? Rachel Hawley: Okay. So I I never got lounge access. Like in my previous role, we were allowed to expense it. And I never did it because I felt like I wasn't spending enough time at the airport to justify a lounge. I'm sure there would have been instances like where it came up and wouldn't have been it would have been convenient. I think I tried once to get like Delta Lounge and I didn't have a Delta flight that day. I was just like, I'm just gonna go and see if I can just get access to it. And they were like, no, you're not even flying Delta today. And I'm like, you're so right. So I I never got Morgann Paul: That is so funny. I mean you gotta try. Rachel Hawley: it. Yeah. But I feel like I see United ads on TV a lot right now. And like I have other friends that are based in Chicago and yeah, they're united all the way. So that makes sense. Morgann Paul: But you had a very exciting weekend as well. So let's hear about that. Rachel Hawley: we both celebrated our birthdays last week, which I think is funny because I was Morgann Paul: no. Rachel Hawley: also seeing on Instagram there were other people in the pharmacy world, other like women specifically that also had birthdays recently. And I was like, wow, there's just a lot of female Libra energy. And I'm not, you know, super into horoscopes, but I do think it's a fun thing to like lean into a little bit. So Morgann Paul: No, I totally agree with you. Rachel Hawley: I was like, wow, look at all these Libra girls just crushing it. So first wanted to call up Libra leaders. I know. So Morgann Paul: Leaver leaders out there, yeah. Rachel Hawley: happy, happy belated birthday to us. but yeah, so it was my 30th birthday, which is kind crazy. Definitely do not feel 30, or maybe I do feel 30, and 30 just feels young, and that's what everyone tells themselves. And I've I've now drank that Kool-Aid, but it was really nice. My boyfriend and I went to Vermont and it is like peak fall foliage in northern New England right now. So it It was just very beautiful to see the trees changing color. We stayed at a bed and breakfast, which was really charming. My goal was to go horseback Morgann Paul: That's so fun. Rachel Hawley: riding. So we went for a really nice trail ride. And yeah, it was just a wholesome weekend. And I feel like we were able to dodge a lot of the traffic, which was impressive and just kind of happened because we both wake up relatively early and were able to just, you know, get places prior to the crowds. So it was really good. Morgann Paul: That that is amazing. Literally so nice. I feel the exact opposite. We like did not dodge the traffic. my gosh. Rachel Hawley: I'm a Kate. Morgann Paul: No. Like we had like we still were up early enough for the traffic, but we were cutting it close. The most close I've Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgann Paul: ever cut a flight in like maybe not my life, but I l we literally almost missed our flight. Like it was like stopping Rachel Hawley: We are running. Morgann Paul: boarding. No, Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgann Paul: We we could have and sh probably should have. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie. to Rachel Hawley: gonna resist being that person that's running through the AirPod. Morgann Paul: I was I was fully resisting it. And I mean my boyfriend was walking, it was like not upset at me, but he was parched and he really wanted to get a water bottle and I was like, No, we're going down this plane. I was like, I do not want to miss this flight. Yeah. And the flight attendant was, he Rachel Hawley: You can drink when you're on the plane. Yeah. No, I totally hear that. Morgann Paul: did ask her for a water before we took off and she gave it to him. Like I was like so not embarrassed, but I was like, Nick, he's they're not gonna give you a water bottle. It's fine. But like just calm down and Yeah, it's like just wait till we get up in the Rachel Hawley: Let's move on. Well, good for him for asking. Morgann Paul: air and then boom, she came by and like snuck him a water bottle. It was great. Rachel Hawley: Aw, that's sweet. You never know if you don't ask. So good. Well I saw you Morgann Paul: true. But Rachel Hawley: you got some workout in on your I saw you you ran on the beach, which I feel like is double the workout in itself. Like running on sand is so hard. Morgann Paul: was I spent way too much time on the beach like running around. Like I I couldn't even go like directionally. Like I could probably go like a quarter of a mile straight and then like I had to like turn around and then I'd go the other direction and come back and then Rachel Hawley: that's so funny. Morgann Paul: But I was like so enamored by the why can't why I can't I think of it. You know, like when the water goes away, the tide, the tide like has like gone out and Rachel Hawley: doesn't have tides. You're like, what's that word? Morgann Paul: no, we just we just have we just have a giant body of water that looks like an ocean that doesn't doesn't process like an ocean. But yeah, it was so cool. Like I was literally just like running around, the sun was on my face, and I had to Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: get like a decent amount of mileage in and I was really running behind because I was just like stopping for the scenery and like I was like, this is so pretty and it was a great time. So definitely want to go back to the northeast like area. Like I know like all of your photos on Instagram looked amazing from your trip. So Rachel Hawley: Mm, mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: I feel like that definitely gave me a spark of like, ooh, I do want to come back here in the fall. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, please do. I saw it, you know, like I have a c hold on my calendar that you're coming out in a couple of weeks, so hopefully we can Morgann Paul: huh. Rachel Hawley: see each other and do something fall and festive in Boston. Morgann Paul: That'd be so fun. this kind of section we're gonna be talking about how fitness became part of our lives. I know we kind of talked about that we are both really big fitness people and we have really good relationships with fitness, but it's definitely having had to change over the few years. So I feel like the first time I interacted with you and you had Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: like fitness stuff on your social media, it was like a ton of biking. And so I would love to Rachel Hawley: yeah. Morgann Paul: hear more about like your fitness journey and like Where you are now. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, no, it's been an evolution. but I think I've always been someone who was active. I remember when I was really little, like I think my parents maybe tried to put me in ball sports. I don't even know if there was an attempt to do so because I just did not express interest. But when I was little Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: I took dance and gymnastics and dance was the thing that stuck and I took studio dance and was on our dance team in high school and college. So that was basically my main mode of fitness and I really, really enjoyed it. I think a big thing that happened when I was in high school was I took this class called Girls Physical Best. And prior to that year, I think it was my junior year of high school or senior year. prior to that, there was only a class that was called Physical Best. And like boys and girls could both sign up for it. But it was, I would say like predominantly like 98% were guys that were in the class, and then just some really great track runners from our like women's track team that were in it, but it was very intimidating. So when the following year they opened a girls' physical best class, I was like, this is really interesting. And the teacher, the coach, whatever, I think was like really into CrossFit. And he basically just taught us all how to weightlift and like how to use, Morgann Paul: Wait, that's awesome. Rachel Hawley: yeah, like how to use a squat rack, like I don't even thrusters, like push press, like Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: All the different things that are so intimidating and it's you need such important form for that, you know, like I never would have, I don't think, learned independently, but taking that class and then like being surrounded by other high schooler girls, women, was just a really great experience. And I feel like really shifted my trajectory to not just only being about dance, but also learning how to strength train. So yeah, that was how it kind of started off. Morgann Paul: No. I feel like that is such a like such a great skill to have had at such a young age. I say young, like 'cause that is young in my head, right? But like Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Yeah. Morgann Paul: getting to develop that skill early because I think the n one of the biggest things that people or women specifically have is like fear of the gym. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: Right. They don't want to walk into a gym and feel this anxiety about like I don't know what to do, like I'm not sure where to go, Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: and or like what this weight is, or like if someone's gonna judge me, like but what I'm wearing, like how I'm doing something wrong. Yeah. Rachel Hawley: Yes. My form. Yep. Morgann Paul: Because and I mean that's that's a super valid thing to like be worried about, but also at the same time, like I feel that it has evolved like over the years. But Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: I have had someone And I like to think of myself as someone who knows what they're doing, like come in and correct me at a random like giant gym and I was like, I didn't I don't know how I felt about that. multiple angles. And so I get it, like if you it's very intimidating, but like having that factor at such a young age is like so amazing. And I think we need to be doing like more of that in our like young youth, I guess, high Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: school where whatever you're doing, development because it's such a big factor of what you do outside of high school sports. Rachel Hawley: Exactly. No, I completely agree. And like we can get into this later too, but just like strength training is just so vital to one's health and, you know, like lifting weights. being exposed to that early on was definitely something that I didn't realize at the time how I guess impactful that was going to be. and then you mentioned like other Morgann Paul: Yeah, that's honestly so cool. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, it was great. So I can't remember his name, but I I know what he looks like. Morgann Paul: Ha ha. Rachel Hawley: And he was also just an intimidating teacher, but I was like, this is you know, we're gonna do this. And it was it was awesome. And and then the other thing you mentioned too, like biking. Like I all absolutely love cycling. my dad grew up racing on road bikes. So that was just something that was always part of my life. And I remember he would go out and just like really long rides on the weekend. And it was in pharmacy school, COVID, that I bought my road bike. And that was when I Morgann Paul: No. Rachel Hawley: 2020, like really got into cycling. And Madison was such a good city and had such good like trails around the city. But then also out more in the country just to Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: bike. And it was great for that. Boston a little bit more difficult, but Yeah, so I feel like I've always just tried to do a variety of things. Dance, weightlifting, cycling, cross country skiing, just like any Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: any method to stay active. So I wanna hear yeah. Morgann Paul: I was waiting for you to bring that up. I was like, I know that Rachel is a cross country skier and sh you will go on like trips for like a full week and like that's like all you'll do, right? Rachel Hawley: Another thing that I I feel like my dad and I are very, very similar. My mom also cross country skis, but that was another thing also around pharmacy school that I got back into it. Like I went a little bit when I was younger and I was like, I'm freezing, this is not fun, like this is really difficult. but again, once I was in I think pharmacy school, my dad and I would go up to the cabin in northern Wisconsin and just, yeah, like cross country ski for a week and It was again such a great form of exercise. Being in nature, it's so quiet, serene, and peaceful. it makes you it makes me, I guess, very much so look forward to the seasons and like snow and winter. So that's good. Morgann Paul: That's super fair. I definitely never had a like a role model when it comes to strength training. So that is something that I had to get into later in my life. But I was always in sports. I grew up in a Rachel Hawley: Hmm. Morgann Paul: very large basketball town, Feel like that's really all I knew from probably I don't know, third grade or younger, honestly, until maybe middle school, volleyball came around. And I also went to a very small middle school when I was younger. And so we started playing volleyball or we're able to like do sports, I think in like fifth grade. So Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgann Paul: it was definitely younger, but volleyball and basketball is what I did in all through high school. And so I did club volleyball for a little bit and then also like high school volleyball, then continued with basketball and AU basketball. And I thought I was gonna Yeah, I was Rachel Hawley: I can totally see that. I don't think I knew that, but like you t just look like a basketball player and a volleyball player. Makes complete sense. Morgann Paul: Yeah, I I loved basketball. But I also had this like very fond interest in the volleyball world. I just feel like I hadn't been groomed with it. So like I was behind the eight ball too, Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: I guess, so to speak. Because now I feel like if you wanna play a sport in college, you have to start when you're five. And then you Rachel Hawley: I know. Morgann Paul: just like don't stop. So I mean, obviously I think I could have gone to Maybe this is tooting my own horn. I don't really like to do that. But I probably Rachel Hawley: Do it. Morgann Paul: could have gone to a smaller school to play, but it would have been D three and very casual. but I didn't want to do that. Ultimately, I I wanted to go to Madison. I wanted to go to school and enjoy myself. So fast forward, I guess, into college, I played on the club basketball team at Wisconsin and that was really fun. It was basically like AU. We were Traveling all over the place. We got to go to like St. Louis and a bunch of different places in the Midwest. But I remember the St. Louis trip in particular because it was just like a super fun time. It was basically like playing AAU again, which was super fun. And then Rachel Hawley: And this is for volleyball? Morgann Paul: this is for basketball. Yes, yes. Rachel Hawley: This is for basketball. Okay. Sweet. I didn't know that. That's awesome. Morgann Paul: Yeah, it was super fun. The only huge downside of playing. was the fact that our practices started at 10 30 p.m. And most Rachel Hawley: my. Morgann Paul: people probably know this about me by now. Like if you Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: follow me on social media, but I'm pretty much I'm a pretty big early bird. Like for example, we're recording this at like 7 a.m. central time. But Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: the fact that I was like falling asleep, I could like take a nap. fully and then wake up and have to go to practice to from 10 30 to midnight was like not working with my schedule. So I was like, I can't, I don't know how much longer I can do this. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: And and then poof, I like transitioned into the group fitness world, really started Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: lifting weights and taking that seriously, but like no one ever taught me how to do it. So it was very intimidating. So I definitely started in the group fitness scene, I worked the front desk at a place. It's kind of like a berries. And then transition to become. So Rachel Hawley: This was base camp in Madison? Or no? Morgann Paul: this was not base camp yet. this was Rachel Hawley: What was it called? Morgann Paul: it was called camps. Rachel Hawley: Was it by the Trader Joe's on or no? Morgann Paul: Mmm, no, that's where Base Camp is. Base camp is by the Trader Joe's. Yeah, camps Rachel Hawley: That's base camp. Okay. Okay. Morgann Paul: is downtown in like Frat Row, like on State Street. It was like no, no, no, it's not there. Rachel Hawley: okay, cool. Is it still there? Okay. Morgann Paul: I think it's like a salads up now, which is sad because I love I loved camps. But then I transitioned more into a like a fitness instructor role and I I guess I let me back up. I originally started as a yoga instructor. I kind of forgot about that little era of my life. So started as a yoga instructor. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, what? Tell me about that. Okay. Morgann Paul: So basically I was deciding between like staying on the club basketball team and just doing that or like I don't know, being paid to work out, which is essentially Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: the way I thought about it. And it kind of took over like my being. Like I feel like I loved being a yoga instructor and like loved teaching classes and obviously like making money on the side from it, which was Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: great little entrepreneurship I had going for myself. I was this is like Rachel Hawley: Completely. Morgann Paul: a two-sided coin in the best way. And then after that, I like felt like I had gone more into the lifting game. And so I wanted something that was more lifting focus and maybe like a little bit more high energy focused. And so then I transitioned to working at Basecamp in Madison. And I did that all through Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: pharmacy school. I think I've mentioned that before. But yeah, so then like group fitness, hit type style, strength, and then cardio Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: on the air bike, which has the wheel in the front, kind of took over my life. Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: And now, fast forward, I'm I feel like I'm kind of a low key endurance athlete. Like I don't really like to call myself that. But Rachel Hawley: I know, you've had the trans No, you tot you completely are though. You're doing competitions and I'll let you talk more about that, but yeah. Morgann Paul: Yeah. So now I went from like strength training to like quick hit, like 45 minute workouts max to becoming a runner and like Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: a hybrid fitness girly, which is absolutely insane. If you would have asked me throughout all those phases prior to the current one I'm in right now, if I were going to run a marathon and or run, I would have laughed at you and been like, You're talking about the Ron Morgan. This this certainly isn't me. But Rachel Hawley: You have the wrong person. Morgann Paul: Truly. But I I honestly fell in love with it and I do regret the fact that I didn't fall in love with it earlier because I literally lived in like the perfect city. Like Madison was a great city for like endurance sports. And so I lived there for seven years. And like you saying, like, I loved cycling in Madison, I'm like, Rachel Hawley: So true. And then yeah. Morgann Paul: I sure I would have loved running there. So a Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: little sad part of that there, but all part of the journey. Rachel Hawley: Exactly. So I guess I wanna ask more about that. So how do you think that transformation happened or what really got you into running opposed to, you know, your your base camp classes? Morgann Paul: Yeah, I feel like originally it was so I lived with this girl in pharmacy school who she really liked running and she you couldn't like pay me to go on runs. Like I was seriously I have this video on my phone where I like ran two miles and I like so proud of myself. And two miles is a long time if you like don't run. And so Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: I was like dying. And I was like, I don't know why people do this, X, Y, Z. And then she kind of got me into it a little bit. Then fast forward I moved to Chicago and that is like when it really hit the ground running. And I fell in love with it. I know I said Rachel Hawley: Hit the ground. Hit the ground running. Wow. Morgann Paul: that and I was like, that was kind of kind of TC, whatever. Rachel Hawley: Little corny, took me a little bit, but that was yeah. So funny. We'll add we'll add a drum we'll add a beta Morgann Paul: It's early guys, okay? Rachel Hawley: but Morgann Paul: I love it. No, but the running space and community in Chicago is unmatched. I feel like that's how I found like some of my earliest friends in Chicago, how I found all of the things that made me happy. I also lived by the lakefront and running on the lakefront in Chicago, if you've never done it, I really highly encourage you to just like get out there. You don't even have to run. You can walk, you can just like go take it in. But it's so stunning. Have you been out there? Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I honestly think that when you're running on the lakefront in Chicago, you could run forever. Like I was there for a work trip once and I think I just like whipped out six miles. And I was like, what like where the heck did that come from? Like you just like you enter some sort of trance. Like you just can't stop. Like you're w looking at the lake. It's such good people watching. it's just and it goes on forever. It's totally Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: the best place to run. Morgann Paul: No, absolutely. And I that's I think that's literally it. And then I actually got asked this question like why do you love it? And I'm like, I don't I just literally the late front if that that's the that's the answer. Is it's so Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: fun to be out there on a nice like summer day and just like hit some miles with some friends. Like you'll run g like in a marathon, right? Like you have to train for quite a few miles. So like when I say this I mean this In the best way possible. you're just out there, you whip out fifteen miles and you're like, That was so fun. Like Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: I was just hanging out with my friends, we were yapping, there were times where we both felt like crap, but it is what it is. you kind of keep moving forward. You've got you're so many other people around you. It's just like it's unmatched, truly. Rachel Hawley: You don't necessarily need to like plan a route either versus I I feel like Boston has definitely routes and trails that you can run on, but I feel like you also need to be maybe mu just more intentional about mapping it or just figuring out how you're gonna get it in. And you're probably gonna be tripping on a cobblestone and running into a group of people dressed like Paul Revere, but but people Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: make it work here. obviously we have the Boston Marathon, so we're we we're Morgann Paul: Yeah, clearly. exactly. the legend of all legends. yeah, flying into the airport, I saw this sign where there's a countdown of the Boston Marathon. And I was like, Rachel Hawley: wow. Morgann Paul: Isn't this in like April? I I Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: I love that. Rachel Hawley: Okay, so you're doing a marathon. What number is this for you and how many days out are we? Morgann Paul: it is number three for me, which is very exciting. Rachel Hawley: Nice. Morgann Paul: And don't get it twisted, y'all. I haven't been running for three years. I am stupid enough to have entered a lottery, gotten into a lottery, and had to run two marathons back to back. So wouldn't recommend. It was fun. It was cool. checked two major stars off my list, but it was a lot. It was definitely a lot. But Rachel Hawley: That's awesome. Morgann Paul: I'm running the Chicago Marathon again this weekend and How many days out are we? It is Thursday. Rachel Hawley: Awesome. Morgann Paul: The marathon is Sunday. So Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We are three days out. So after this, I'm gonna Rachel Hawley: Yay. You're gonna crush it. Morgann Paul: thank you. I'm I'm excited. I got got no time goals in mind. I got a friend who's running it for the first time. And so I think it will just be super fun to experience her running. I've kind of been like pseudo pseudo-run coach, I would say. I I'm not a run coach by Rachel Hawley: Yeah, that's so special. Morgann Paul: any means, but it it's so exciting and super fun. but I wanted to bring up a s a part of something that you brought up when you were like, when you're in Boston, you have to like plan out the routes. And I think something that we really want to talk about on this podcast today is how we fit in all these activities, Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgann Paul: right? As we are traveling, because You just moved into a new role where you might not travel as much, but you're a veteran when it comes to the travel part. I mean, we've both been traveling since probably third or fourth year of pharmacy school, like at least one conference Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: or so a year. And so wanted to kind of get your thoughts and pulse on like what happens when you work out, when you're traveling, like how does that go about? Because I I definitely have thoughts about something, like running in Chicago versus like running in other cities. But wanna kind of get your thoughts first. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, totally. I would say the big thing that I realized when it came to traveling for work and workouts was that the the trips in which I didn't bring workout clothes were I was like kicking myself. I was like super bummed. And Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: just knew that if I had brought them and like had time and like was able to go to the gym, that just would have made the the trip so much better. And I will say for for work travel, whether it's an internal meeting or an external meeting, like the sessions start oftentimes really early. Like they're Starting at like 7, 8 a.m. Morgann Paul: Mm. Yeah. Rachel Hawley: And you may be going the entire day. So it's like you have to be very intentional about fitting in the time and and doing it. And I I do really try to listen to my body, I would say, like a couple weeks ago, no, a couple months ago, was in where was I? Las Vegas. And got there and I was like, I have downtime instead of just sitting in the hotel room and I don't know, or I don't really take naps, but just relaxing. I was like, what I think I should do right now is just go to the gym. And whether that's, Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: you know, like 30 minutes on the Peloton or like a quick weightlift, every time I do that, I just feel so much better. Like I have so much more energy. And it just makes the work trip that much better. So That's one big thing that I've learned is just pack this stuff. Even if I pack it and don't use it, I'm still happy that I took up a little extra space in my suitcase for workout clothes and shoes. But yeah, what else did I want to say about that? I would say one of my coworkers actually told me a couple of months ago he was like, I pick my hotels based on the gym. Yeah, I know, I see you cheering. And Morgann Paul: Yeah, sorry, you all can't see us, but I do the exact same thing if I can help it. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, if work isn't picking it, I am definitely checking out what the gym looks like. And when I was in Vegas, I stayed at the Where was I? Caesars Palace and they have an incredible new gym. And it was empty. people in Vegas, you know, they're not necessarily going there for for the gym. So it was just a playground. Morgann Paul: The priority. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. But like always in advance try to understand what type of equipment they have. Like, do they have a Peloton bike? Do they have free weights, treadmills, you know, that sort of thing? because I usually tend to work out in hotel gyms, but in other instances too, I like if I'm going to New York City. I'll try to try a new fitness studio or do a group fitness like a go to berries. Did that recently for the first time with one of my teammates and that was a ton of fun. So how about you? Morgann Paul: Yeah. No, that's always so fun. I feel like when it comes to I totally agree with you, I try and pick the hotel if I can help it based on if they have a gym or not. I will caveat with the fact that since I have become more of a runner, I'm more in enticed. I'm more enticed to go to like go on a run and find a path. But to that caveat Rachel Hawley: Mm. Morgann Paul: when you were talking about like Boston having random things and obstacles and having to plan out a route. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: Sometimes like that gets in my way. And then I end up just running in circles and being like, I should have just ran on the treadmill. Rachel Hawley: Frustrating. Yeah. Morgann Paul: Yes. But I will say I would add that a fair amount of people, like when you're at the hotel, are also working out. So it can sometimes be busy. So sometimes I feel like I don't necessarily have a choice but to go on a run. Which is like fine by me and kind of also why I got into running because I was like, well I don't like when the gym is like crazy busy. I don't want to sometimes I just really don't want to run into anybody that I know, right? Like we work in a very like external facing environment. And there's no girls, there's there's no set wearing when you go to the gym at like at when you go on a business trip. Like you can wear. Rachel Hawley: You're gonna be next to your VP. Yeah. Morgann Paul: Yeah, you're gonna be next to someone who you work directly with who's gonna see you in a suit in 30 minutes. And so you have to be Rachel Hawley: Ha ha Morgann Paul: very mindful of what you're wearing. And so I think that's a quick like plug of like when when we say we pack workout things, like we pack very modest workout things. So don't be wearing your matched set in a bra in like six inch shorts or like flowy running shorts. Like bring something conservative. Like I know Rachel Hawley: I know. Yep. So funny. Yeah. Morgann Paul: it's not the end of the world. Like you can wear your set of berries, you can wear your set on, like doing whatever. But I feel like Rachel Hawley: That's a great point. Morgann Paul: that has definitely transitioned my wardrobe a little bit. admittedly love to run around in the sports bra on shorts and so I can't do that when I'm on a work trip, which is totally fine and that makes complete sense. But I think that's something I definitely wanted to add in there. But what else was I gonna Rachel Hawley: Yeah. I'll just say we have our we have our work like like a not an all company meeting but just like an internal company meeting coming up and a lot of pharma biotechs have this have these types of meetings usually like Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: once or twice a year and they're I don't want to stereotype but I feel like there's definitely a type of person that's in the gym like early. Like again, these meetings start early. So people are getting to the Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: gym, I don't know, five, six AM and usually it's like the sales force, especially the guys like, I don't know, just the sales teams, they're oftentimes I feel like in good shape and they like to work out and take care of themselves. And Morgann Paul: Yeah. Yes. Rachel Hawley: at first it was super intimidating to like go yeah, like go to the gym while they were there or like while while anyone was there that you know and that you're working with and like, I don't know, try to find a place in the gym to work out or like try to get on like a squat rack or or find some free weights. But I just feel like after time, I'm just like, I deserve to be here and get into workout just as much as anybody else does. And it's Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: honestly like this might just be me, but I just, I think I just have a competitive mindset. And I also just, I don't know, like I've always lived with the motto like wake up an hour early to live an hour more. Like I loved the idea of being productive when other people are. Morgann Paul: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. You gotta repeat that. I love that. Say it again. Yeah, but I've never heard it that way. pause. Rachel Hawley: I think you're similar. Wake up an hour early. early to live an hour more. Yeah. Morgann Paul: my gosh, I love that. Rachel Hawley: But I just love this the idea of, and I think it's it really started when I was a summer camp counselor. the the wake up bell would ring at like Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: 7 a.m. But I loved to get up at six and either like go for a walk, go for a run. Sometimes I would go for a bike ride. And I just I don't know. I just loved the feeling of being awake and doing something productive when l the majority were asleep. I don't know. It just like it just gets me going. So do like exact. It is a dopamine hit. Morgann Paul: Yeah, it's like an extra level of dopamine. yeah, you can work out on your lunch break or like after when the whole world is up, but there's nothing better than an early Rachel Hawley: Yes, exactly. Morgann Paul: morning workout. Rachel Hawley: So I love doing that on work trips. Like I feel like I've like found that confidence. And I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm gonna go and do this, even if the gym is super crowded, like I'm gonna make it work. And then when you see people like afterwards, everyone goes and showers and gets in their business clothes and you're at breakfast, you're Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: like, you're like, yeah, how was your workout? Like I saw you down there. You know, it's just a good feeling. Morgann Paul: Yeah. No, no, I totally agree. And I wanted to add something back to when you're saying like company based, like internal meetings. When we go to internal meetings, I would argue that like and you were saying this, like you said, like the gym's rather busy, but most of the time like our teams will like start a group chat of like the people that like that they know that or like run or like work out or whatnot. And we'll either like all go to Barries or we'll all go on a walk, we'll all go on a run. Like there's always something going on. So I would encourage you, like if you're listening to this and you work at a company, find like those people. And if Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: you haven't yet, like there's definitely some somebody out there. At least or maybe this is just like a random one-off thing in my organization. But like we're always like, Rachel Hawley: No. Morgann Paul: someone's training for this, X, Y, Z, like let's get a group run together or let's do this. And that's also super fun. Rachel Hawley: I love that. Yeah. We also there are people that are runners and they'll coordinate group runs. But then also our company meetings management team or whatever, part of the itinerary, they'll set up group fitness classes. They'll do like Morgann Paul: No way. Rachel Hawley: and they'll and they'll like highlight current employees. So there was a girl last year who's a a Roomba instruct is that the no Zumba, a Zumba instructor. Yeah. Morgann Paul: Roomba Roomba Roomba's the thing that goes around. Rachel Hawley: I'm I'm in my dancing with the star well, yes, the Rumba Vacuum and Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: the Rumba, the like dancing with the stars. I'm I'm in that mindset right now, I guess. she's a Morgann Paul: I love that. Rachel Hawley: Zumba instructor. So like she taught like a class. So like it it is really nice that the company gives like an an a forum as well for either group fitness or a group run. which I love. And then like you to your point. There are definitely gonna be people on the side that have those interests. So finding them and and tagging along is is an awesome thing to do as well. Love it. Morgann Paul: So when you think about we've been talking obviously a lot about fitness and this podcast is supposed to be like a great blend of both and I think today we're talking a lot about like what we do outside of the other sixteen hours. But how do you actually how do we actually fit all this in? Like what does that look like for you? Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. I think yesterday was a really good example. So I've transitioned to a new position. I'm now like headquarters based and not Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: traveling as often as I was, as often as you are to go to like different customer meetings. But Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: It's still like the hours are long. I leave or 7 30 in the morning, try to get to the office by eight. And then oftentimes I'm staying until five because I have a meeting until five. So it's definitely like longer than an eight-hour workday. And the last thing I Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: want to do is, you know, work out. But I just I like tell myself, like, don't PASCO, don't collect 200, like go straight to the gym. So like yesterday. Morgann Paul: Wow, I love that. Rachel Hawley: you just kinda have to go on autopilot and just not think. You're like, I don't have a choice. I'm just Morgann Paul: Yep. Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: like I know I'm gonna feel better after I do this. And that's another big thing for me too, is I oftentimes I think I always have just thought about my future self when making decisions. what would be the best choice for future Rachel? Like what would make her feel best? And oftentimes that just helps me make like I feel like better choices. And so I Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: just like think, after I do this, even if it's like a 30-minute workout or even if it's a one mile-long run, like I'm gonna feel better doing it than if I did it. So I just try to like mind over matter, you know. And so yesterday, yeah. I like called Jason and I was like, Morgann Paul: No, that is great advice. Rachel Hawley: yeah. I like I was driving home, I called Jason, I was Do you wanna to the gym? He's like, Yeah. And I think that's another thing too that really helps. Like I have Jason, you have Nick. Like they both love w lifting, Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: working out, like so that also just really helps with accountability and like having someone to do it with. But he's like, Yeah, I wanna go to the gym. I'm like, Okay, can you grab X, Y, and Z from the closet? I'm not even gonna get out Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: of the car. I'm gonna pick you up, I'll change to the gym, and then we're just gonna go. Morgann Paul: Yep, yep. And I would argue that if you don't have a significant other that you should or you can find a friend that will also do Rachel Hawley: Yes. Morgann Paul: the same thing as you, right? and you can sign up for the workout class, like or plan them out. Like I think a big thing when I was working in headquarters is like I would block out my calendar for like Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: working out. Like it was obviously before work hours, but I was blocking that time. Rachel Hawley: Just putting it on there. Yep. Morgann Paul: Yeah, and it was a non negotiable. So I really liked what you said about like don't don't pass, go, don't collect two hundred dollars until you get this done. And obviously there's rest days included and things like that. I I had a story yesterday Rachel Hawley: Yes. Morgann Paul: that Rachel and I were talking about before we jumped on them in this taper week for the marathon and I my strain on my whoop score was like point six. And I was like, Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: I don't know if I've seen this before. I think even w on my days when I I'm taking a very good rest day. I probably still get into the fours. So that was very, very interesting. yes. No. Yeah, Rachel Hawley: Yeah. I have those days. It just means you're so relaxed. You know, it's it's not a bad thing. yeah, it's perfect for a taper week. Morgann Paul: no, I t I totally agree. But yeah, finding time for fitness is not always like created equal, especially in industry and or in corporate. Like, so I do think you really have to make it a part of your routine. And I would argue that like when I was in headquarters, I loved Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: that routine. I did something a little bit different where like I was always I had to be like a morning person. Like no matter what happened, I had to get it done in the morning. Otherwise it likely wasn't gonna happen. I've transitioned a little bit more to the afternoon, but irregardless, I would like wake up, my alarm would go off, my bag was already packed the night before, which I think also definitely helps, right? I had all my things and I would drive halfway to work and go to the gym because there was a satellite location at the gym we belonged to. And Rachel Hawley: Okay. Morgann Paul: I would work out and then shower and get ready and then go to work. So it was like a little bit out of the way. So it was like 30 minutes out and then 30 minutes to work. So it was like a full round trip hour, but that was still one, me beating traffic and two like being able to get my workout in. So I think if you have to make those type of sacrifices, like for your well being and like that's what you want to prioritize, I think I think that's the way to do it. Just make sure you block some time for it. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Getting a workout in first thing and just like having that checked off or just accomplished is is such a great feeling. And I do d I do do that sometimes with group fitness. Like I I think Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: I had class pass a couple of years ago and I really liked it. And then I found like a form of like workouts. I did core power for years and really, really loved that. But then recently transitioned back and I was like, I'm starting to crave just like other types of workout classes. So doing Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: class pass again and I d I do really love ClassPass for the fact that you can just do a variety of things and you pick how much you want to pay for how Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: many credits that you get. And the idea of signing up for a class and having like a fifteen dollar cancellation fee if you like cancel within twelve hours, like that in itself is also Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: just like a great way to hold yourself accountable. I hate losing money. I think most people don't like feeling like they're wasting money. So I'm like, yeah, I Morgann Paul: Right. Right, right. Hopefully. Rachel Hawley: will get my butt there at however early because prior Rachel signed up for this 7 a.m. like boot camp. So make it happen. Morgann Paul: Yeah, no, I totally agree. And if you're new to the fitness space, I honestly think neither this podcast is not sponsored by ClassPass, but I love ClassPass. Rachel Hawley: I know. Morgann Paul: I use ClassPass for a very long time to fit in to one, try different forms of workouts and two, schedule them in like workouts. And yeah, the t intimidation factor of I know in Chicago, you can lose thirty dollars if you don't go to these classes. Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I bet. Morgann Paul: so they're like I I don't think they're all like that, but there's a good cancellation policy if you don't go. So I yeah, there's Rachel Hawley: There's incentive to go for sure. Yeah. Morgann Paul: totally incentive to get going. And then I think if you are new to the workout space or you're like, Morgan, Rachel, I don't know where to start. I think honestly like downloading class basket in like a free month of 30 credits or so and trying out like new places in your s new city, right? Because some of you might be coming from the lens of I don't know. where I'm gonna live. And so I love my gym or this place that I go to here. I love my Pilates studio. I love my whatever it is, right? And that's that's super hard. So I think I would encourage you if you don't know about PLASPASS to check it out because I think that's a good way to find something that you might be interested in. Chop around. Rachel Hawley: Exactly. Completely agree. I wanted to ask, I think, like you have you have marathon coming up and I know you've done high rocks competitions in the past too. So like Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: do you feel like you what does fitness not like what does fitness mean to you, but like do you feel like you always need to have some sort of like tangible goal? that you're working towards like is that just kind of how you operate or I guess like what does that relationship dynamic look like with you and I guess just working out? Morgann Paul: Yeah, I think I think it started as like, this is like good for my body, like I like the way I look when I do X, Y, and Z. And that definitely took a swift turn when I started endurance training, because if you don't know anything about endurance training, you definitely are always in like a calorie surplus for better or for worse. it just kind of depends on your relationship with food. And I think that's definitely a sensitive subject, but When you're training for a marathon, arguably you're in a calorie surplus. And if you're not, you're probably looking at risk for injury or higher risk for injury. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: And same thing with like high rocks training, it's very much like lifting, strength training, and running put together. So you have to have that mindset of like, I'm gonna like I have to eat a little bit more, but then like I came from a world where like I was counting macros and like doing all these things, and Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: I still do try and get my protein goal. XYZ, but without going off on too much of a tangent, I think that I definitely feel as if like signing up for a race, just like signing up for a workout class, keeps me accountable in like what I need Rachel Hawley: Ooh, mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: to do next. And I also feel like when I trained for my first marathon last year, I fell in love with not necessarily with the racing. But the training block. Everything Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: was so regimented. I knew Monday through Friday, Monday through Sunday what I was Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: doing and what the workout looked like. And I I loved that. And I will say, I have races all the way, it's October now, until February. And I cannot wait to take a break. So I am like very Yeah, Rachel Hawley: you have you have more things booked? Yeah. Morgann Paul: I'm like booked all the way f of races until February. And so I'm so ready to take a break after that and kind of just claw back like what the motivation or like not going into like autopilot looks like for me and like what I truly enjoy. And I know that it's like a mix of strength training and running, but it's it's definitely a balance that I've had to like come to realization like you can't just train for everything all the time, but like that is how I function. Rachel Hawley: Some people that's totally fine. People operate that way. And like and it it works for them and that's like healthy for them and there's nothing wrong with that. But I also Morgann Paul: Yeah. Rachel Hawley: see like the benefit of giving yourself a break and, you know, just like doing it for the sake of like honoring yourself and your body and just feeling good too. Morgann Paul: Yeah, yeah, I feel like my body definitely says I need a break and it shows just like by the amount of treatments I I feel like I've been Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: getting over the past like three months or so. But I wanna turn it back to you. I know like you're not necessarily into the race space, but like how do you like what about working out like motivates you and like what keeps you doing it? Because I think that's a really hard part for people as they go along through this like continuum of their life and fitness journey. Rachel Hawley: I completely agree. I I'll say on the record, I have done a half marathon. Morgann Paul: Okay, yes. I was like I I don't wanna call her out and say she didn't do anything because I'm sure she probably has, but Rachel Hawley: It was it was a very funny situation. So I went to this tiny liberal arts college and my year was like the final class that needed to do a wellness credit. And Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: one of the like classes was half marathon training. And we read Morgann Paul: heck yeah. Rachel Hawley: yeah, we read the book Born to Run. And in order to pass the class, we either had to take or we either had to complete a 10K or a half marathon. And it was like an organized race that was being held by the by the town. So Knowing me I'm like go back or go home, I'm gonna do the half marathon and like somewhat trained for it, but also just like was not like the mod like the like the thing that was motivating me was like I need to do this in order to just pass this class. Like that was my f my main driver. So like I did that, but I did enjoy it. And then I think it was maybe that summer that I did a sprint triathlon. And that was Morgann Paul: thank ya. Rachel Hawley: yeah, it would that was also like fun. But it I was somewhat training for it while I was a camp counselor. And it was just really difficult to set aside that time. So those were like the main organized races I've done. I've considered like other cycling races and like cross-country ski races. That Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. I could see you doing a half iron man or an Iron Man. Rachel Hawley: that would be really cool. Maybe someday. the swimming part would be so that would be like the main thing that I needed to focus on. Like swimming. Morgann Paul: You gotta be able to teach yourself something, you know? Rachel Hawley: Exact. No, it's so true. but so I think I like dabbled in the racing for a little bit, but I also but I think it just felt like additional pressure that I was putting on myself. Not to Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: like not that I would wanted to get a certain time, like the goal was just to do it, but I think at that point in my life, also like being in college and then being in pharmacy school, like there was so much other pressure going on. I think I would have a different mindset towards it now, and I do think I would have more time to be able. able s to set aside toward it now that we're just grown up with big girl jobs, we'll see. but I also just like I don't know I just love working out for the sake of working out. Like for the endorphins, like the just the feeling of getting stronger. Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: the communal aspect. Like I started going to Planet Fitness a couple of months ago. And Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: like Planet Fitness gets a bad rep. But like the one near me is really clean. I literally pay $15 a month. It has everything that one could want. And I Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: feel like people are also just like very respectful there and supportive and like I don't know. It it just feels like a safe environment. And I just, I don't know, I I get so Morgann Paul: Yeah, and you don't need you don't need much. Rachel Hawley: No, you don't need much. And I just get so happy being there because it's just I don't know, just feels like such an environment where everyone's there because they're just getting stronger and they want to live better, healthier lives. And I just like being surrounded by that sort of people. Yes. Yeah. People are just like in their own lane, Morgann Paul: Right. It's not the showboat of something. Yeah. Love that. Rachel Hawley: doing their own thing. I love seeing people like work out together and literally lift each other up, helping them support, getting weights over their head. I just, I don't know, it brings me so much joy. Maybe that's Morgann Paul: my gosh, wait, that's so fun. Literally so fun. I don't think that's weird at all. Like you value like Yeah, Rachel Hawley: Maybe that's weird, but I just I just I just love that aspect of it. Morgann Paul: it's like a symbiotic, fun relationship Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Morgann Paul: at Planet Fitness. And really Rachel Hawley: Mm-hmm. Morgann Paul: any Jamie go. Actually that's not true. that's a whole nother episode. But I think Rachel Hawley: Yeah, I'm sure it could be very different other places. Morgann Paul: Yeah, the point you're driving home is you don't need much to get in a workout or find a community that makes you feel good, right? Rachel Hawley: Yes, precisely. And so that's my my relationship with it right now. Again, not necessarily don't have any explicit goals and I think that's totally fine. my goal is to just Morgann Paul: Absolutely. Rachel Hawley: move as much as possible, get stronger, feel good. I don't know, and like I'm th I didn't have like a crazy like breaking point, like, my god, I'm thirty now. But like people will tell you, like, you're gonna start getting like aches and pains and your back is gonna start hurting and I'm Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: like Okay, maybe, but like I'm just gonna do everything I can to keep moving and prevent that from happening because like I don't wanna believe that narrative. So Morgann Paul: Yes. Also, I feel like this is a tribute to you is you do everything and you're not afraid to like do something that you haven't done before. Right. Rachel Hawley: Hm. Morgann Paul: Because you like you do yoga, you do core power, you do Pilates, like you cycle, you run, you do you weightlift, you do all of these things and they like create this great circle of like I don't have aches and pain because I'm not constantly pounding on my Achilles or, you know, like you know, like like and Rachel Hawley: It's true. Yeah. Trying to strengthen other things. Yeah. Yeah. Morgann Paul: yeah, you're such a well rounded, wellness girly. And I think that's like a big testament to what you just said is like your core value around why you why you do what you do. Rachel Hawley: Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate that. So I feel like if we've Morgann Paul: Of course. Rachel Hawley: this has been great. I feel like if we've learned one thing. It's that the default or you know, it's it's not easy to integrate health exercise into or it it doesn't seem like the most straightforward thing to integrate that into Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: our lives, especially if you're a student or a working professional. Like work takes up Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: so much of our time. It's but like you you need to be intentional about it and also go on autopilot and just be like, I'm gonna do this. Like no ifs, ands or buts. Like Morgann Paul: Yes. Rachel Hawley: it's gonna happen because this is what is gonna make me feel best or this is what's best for me. Morgann Paul: Mm-hmm. Rachel Hawley: And I feel like we both share that that sentiment. And the more you do it, the more you just I don't wanna say get addicted, but it is like you just feel so good afterwards. It's just motivating in itself to do it. Morgann Paul: No, I totally agree. And one quick nugget I wanna add is we are not saying that this is like the easiest thing on the planet for us. Like it is difficult Rachel Hawley: no. Morgann Paul: sometimes to want to do this. And like I feel like social media and every space makes it out to be the easiest thing to like not either not prioritize sleep or just like be working out all the time and XYZ and like routines do take time. And so if you're in this space really like, I don't know how these people do it, like Just try and commit to it for a month or like even two weeks and see what that does for you and like how you feel and how that like influences your life. And I think that can be a big, big part of it too. it could be a walk, it could be you're signing up for a workout class, whatever it is. I think it's changed both of our lives for the positive, but it doesn't always mean that it's easy. Rachel Hawley: Definitely not. And not every day, every week is, you know, like how we want it to be, or like there there's definitely off weeks, Morgann Paul: Totally. Rachel Hawley: you fall off the wagon, you just get back on and that happens, that's life. Just gonna get back to where we were. So just know that like, yeah. Morgann Paul: Right. But like when you don't get back on is yeah, when when things start to change. So our encouragement Rachel Hawley: Exactly. Morgann Paul: to you is get back on. I know it might be tough, but I think any movement is good movement. Rachel Hawley: That's a good way to end it. I love that. Well, thanks everyone Morgann Paul: I love it. Rachel Hawley: for spending a part of your other 16 hours with us. If this episode resonated with you, leave a comment, share with a friend, leave us a review, and we look forward to seeing you next time. Morgann Paul: will see you next week. Bye.