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Breathwork for Sobriety: Healing Through the Hard Things | Brandon G. Handley · Wake Up with Marci

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  Speaker 1: For me was when I stopped using it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Then I stopped meditating.
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  Speaker 3: And then I realized like, I was again, anxious and,
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  Speaker 3: and had like, you know, these, these kind of like
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  Speaker 3: pent up feelings and I wasn't drinking, I wasn't doing
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  Speaker 3: drugs and Adderall or anything. I said, well, what has changed?
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  Speaker 3: What has changed over the past couple of weeks or whatever?
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  Speaker 3: And I looked back and I was like, it was
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  Speaker 3: the meditation. And I was actually irritated.
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  Speaker 2: This is Wake Up With Marci, a space for honest
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  Speaker 2: conversations about healing, recovery, and women's wellness. I'm Marci Hopkins.
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  Speaker 2: Take a breath. You're safe here. Let's begin. Have you
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  Speaker 2: ever thought, if I could just find the right thing,
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  Speaker 2: I'd finally feel better? For Brandon Hanley, that search for
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  Speaker 2: relief led him to what he calls a silver bullet,
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  Speaker 2: prescription Adderall. But the pill wasn't the answer. And that
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  Speaker 2: realization forced him to ask a much deeper question. What
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  Speaker 2: am I really looking for? Today, we're getting honest about
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  Speaker 2: what happens when life isn't working. What we're really searching
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  Speaker 2: for when desperately we just want relief. And how to
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  Speaker 2: stop letting fear run our lives. This is Wake Up
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  Speaker 2: With Marci. Welcome all to Wake Up With Marci. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so grateful you are here today. I'm Marci Hopkins, your host, author,
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  Speaker 2: TV host, creator of Wake Up With Marci, motivational speaker,
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  Speaker 2: mental health advocate, and a woman in long-term recovery. I'm
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  Speaker 2: almost 11 years sober, and that is why I do
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  Speaker 2: the work that I do. And on this show, we
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  Speaker 2: have honest conversations about healing, recovery, relationships, self-discovery, and what
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  Speaker 2: it really takes to change our lives. My guest today
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  Speaker 2: is Brandon G. Hanley. He's the founder of Spirit of
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  Speaker 2: the Deal and host of the Spirit of the Deal podcast. Today,
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  Speaker 2: Brandon works with breathwork, consciousness, mindset, and what he calls
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  Speaker 2: state shifting to help people move through fear and change
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  Speaker 2: the patterns that are keeping them stuck. But his work
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  Speaker 2: grew out of his own search for answers. Now let's
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  Speaker 2: welcome Brandon. Hello, Brandon. Welcome to Wake Up With Marci.
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  Speaker 1: Marci, so glad to be here with you today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm grateful you are here. I'm excited about our conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you, breathwork has been something that
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  Speaker 2: has saved me. I continue to use it almost daily.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to hear how you're helping others
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  Speaker 2: with breathwork.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Looking forward to sharing.
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  Speaker 3: I think the funny part for me that I'll share
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  Speaker 3: with you right off the bat is it was something
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  Speaker 3: that I had zero interest in. Zero interest in learning.
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  Speaker 3: And now I'm kind of like shouting from the top
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  Speaker 3: of the hill about it.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that the way? Listen, I'm doing stuff I never
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  Speaker 2: thought I would do. Just listen for the calling. Just
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  Speaker 2: leave it that way.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But Brandon, there was a time that you were struggling
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  Speaker 2: in life. And you were seeking relief. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that you saw is what you call the
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  Speaker 2: silver bullet. And that was prescription Adderall. So can you
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  Speaker 2: take us back to that time and what was happening
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  Speaker 2: in your life? What were you trying to fix?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, this goes back to a time when,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was working in a Fortune 500 company.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody in there was super smart, super bright. Everybody seemed
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  Speaker 3: to have everything together. And here I was, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: very little college little, I'd actually dropped out of high school,
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  Speaker 3: went back to college later and got a GED, but like,
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  Speaker 3: I just didn't feel like I fit in the I
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  Speaker 3: felt part of what I was missing was if only
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  Speaker 3: I could learn how to focus really, really well. I
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  Speaker 3: just felt like that was the thing for me. We
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  Speaker 3: all know about ADHD, and we know there are specific
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  Speaker 3: answers to questions. I'd heard about this thing called Adderall.
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  Speaker 3: We go way back even further. Adderall is some type
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  Speaker 3: of amphetamine. I was like, well, I'm familiar.
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  Speaker 1: That should do it.
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  Speaker 3: If we can get somebody to prescribe it for us,
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  Speaker 3: all the better. And so I was like, all right, well,
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  Speaker 3: let's call around and just see if I can find
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  Speaker 3: somebody to give me the prescription, right? Literally, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's what they call prescription shopping, right? All around to
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  Speaker 3: all of these wellness centers. And they're like, well, can
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  Speaker 3: you give us a little bit of background information on
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  Speaker 3: what it is that you're about and what you're doing
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  Speaker 3: and what you're seeking? I said, well, listen, I have
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  Speaker 3: done a little research on this. And here's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to tell you right now. I was like, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, like, I drank. I still drank a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I don't see that changing. I don't exercise ever. I
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  Speaker 3: don't see that changing. I don't have any other good, really,
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  Speaker 3: I have like zero good habits at this point in
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  Speaker 3: my life. And I don't see that changing. I just
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  Speaker 3: want the silver bullet. You want to make them smaller, right?
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  Speaker 3: Just give me that one.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, well, maybe you should call back. Until I
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  Speaker 1: got a hold.
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  Speaker 3: Of of a psychiatrist and I was able to go
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  Speaker 3: in and it was a funny thing to me. And
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  Speaker 3: I still make fun of this person. They gave me
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  Speaker 3: a form to fill out and it was literally like
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  Speaker 3: a copy of a book page. Like, you know, like the,
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  Speaker 3: the shadow of the bend in the book was in
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  Speaker 3: the copy. I was like, just give me the, just
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  Speaker 3: give me the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I fill it out.
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  Speaker 3: I get the prescriptions and it does not go well. Right.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't go well. I do end up getting a
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  Speaker 3: lot of focus, but like none of the focus was
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  Speaker 3: on good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: What do I mean by that?
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  Speaker 3: Like I became, for some reason, I became like hypercritical
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  Speaker 3: of like my wife and my children, right? Like I
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  Speaker 3: was focusing on like these little things that were like,
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't going well. Yeah. For some reason, I decided
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  Speaker 3: like darts was the thing I should focus. I mean, Marcy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm your average Joe, right? I'm like, what if we
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  Speaker 3: could just learn how to play darts really well? And like,
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea why that became like this passion
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  Speaker 3: focus for so long. So yeah, I was intensely focused,
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  Speaker 3: but like on nothing that mattered, right? And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you've ever done any research on Adderall yourself.
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't like really prior to it, other than to
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  Speaker 3: kind of find out what it's made out of.
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  Speaker 1: But there's something that some people call.
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  Speaker 3: It matter all right. There was a point where like,
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  Speaker 3: I just kind of had like this explosion of like, so.
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  Speaker 2: It would make you angry matter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so I had this explosion. It was over
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  Speaker 3: like new year's Eve and, and it was not good.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like, I just kind of sat there
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, this, this isn't working.
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  Speaker 3: It's not working. The silver bullet is, is laced with
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  Speaker 3: no good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Okay. I got to unpack a few things here. Yeah. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, well, let's go back a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. Like obviously there was something going on in
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  Speaker 2: your life for you to not to have finished high school.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, and then then college, but you went back and
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  Speaker 2: now you're in, you're in this great company. And you're
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  Speaker 2: at the table, but you're like many of us, you
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  Speaker 2: having that imposter syndrome, right? So what for you, what
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  Speaker 2: was happening when you were growing up? What, what kind
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  Speaker 2: of derailed you?
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  Speaker 3: I guess it's tough to say really. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: we moved around a lot growing.
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  Speaker 1: Up as a kid.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have a traditional nuclear family. My mom was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a hippie as well. So you know, you
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  Speaker 3: kind of combine all that stuff. And I just didn't
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  Speaker 3: feel the same as a lot of these other kids
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  Speaker 3: out there.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Or, you know, a lot of what I've learned wasn't
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  Speaker 3: in alignment with, you know, the direction of the world, right. Your,
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  Speaker 3: your traditional ambitions, your traditional, like, you know, grind it
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  Speaker 3: all out, get out there and make a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: money and be your best, gosh, darn it kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't, wasn't what I had as I wouldn't even
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  Speaker 3: want to call it instructions. I call it like loose guidelines.
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  Speaker 1: And for better, for worse, right. For better, for worse.
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  Speaker 3: Cause I certainly don't look back and blame anyone for anything,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like, this was the, this is what I
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  Speaker 3: had and this is what I ended up doing with it. But, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I still recall like at one point, like
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  Speaker 3: I was, I don't know about you Marcy, but I
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  Speaker 3: did not love school.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't love school.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and so like my mom was always like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just do your best, like at least get a C
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  Speaker 3: just get by. Yeah. Right. And that kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that like became my motto or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: but I was like, Let's just get by. Like, why
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  Speaker 3: are we like trying to kill ourselves over all this
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  Speaker 3: other stuff?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't make sense to me. So there was that.
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  Speaker 3: I would say when I dropped out that I was
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  Speaker 3: probably looking for someone to say, oh, no, don't do that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And nobody did. So we rolled on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Marcy, like, I mean, we rolled on and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that. I think even looking back, I
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  Speaker 3: felt like even just kind of like, wow, nobody cares. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that is what we, what we interpret when we're young.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like we, this starts shaping how we feel
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  Speaker 2: about ourselves. Right. And how we show up in the world.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's right. Like, I mean, to, I
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  Speaker 3: think the, you know, the school's credit, like I ended
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  Speaker 3: up having to come, I dropped out, but I ended
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  Speaker 3: up being able to use their resources like years later
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  Speaker 3: to get some assistance.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: With certain things, but look, it's time and error and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it just kind of was what it was.
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  Speaker 3: I made, I made the path that I made.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, I don't, you know, I don't regret it.
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  Speaker 3: Like those were all just kind of like these learning,
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  Speaker 3: like bumps and bobs, like in the road.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, absolutely. I look at life that
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  Speaker 2: way now. I didn't, I used to, I used to
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  Speaker 2: be a victim of everything, but, One of the things
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  Speaker 2: you said that you were drinking a lot. Now, you're married, right?
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  Speaker 3: You have kids.
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  Speaker 2: But obviously, you're drinking. You're working. You are not really
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  Speaker 2: taking care of yourself. And you're looking for the easy
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  Speaker 2: way out, which we do. I think that's normal for
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people out there. Because making changes in
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  Speaker 2: your life for the positive is hard work. It is.
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  Speaker 2: We are looking for something that just can help us
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  Speaker 2: right away. And then, so Adderall, right? Like this is
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  Speaker 2: something that is specific for people with ADHD and it
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  Speaker 2: breaks my heart to think that, I mean, dealing with psychiatrists,
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  Speaker 2: whole nother, whole nother show. But just to be able
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  Speaker 2: to fill out a form and to have that prescribed.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it was the time. Maybe it's not as
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  Speaker 2: easy now. But Adderall is serious. And there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of kids out there that are using Adderall in
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  Speaker 2: college for the same reasons, right? They're looking to stay up.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking to focus. And if you're not using it
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  Speaker 2: for the right reasons, it backfires on you.
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  Speaker 3: No, 100%.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 3: We all feel like we're in this crazy competition for
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  Speaker 3: all these crazy, scarce resources or scarce jobs, the job market.
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  Speaker 3: Even like my, my 16 year old, he's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I heard the job market's really hard, bro. You're 16. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just like, uh, like knock on doors, get
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  Speaker 3: a job and like, you know, see for yourself. Like,
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  Speaker 3: but instead, you know, I think initially we just take,
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  Speaker 3: we just take what everybody outside is telling us, uh,
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  Speaker 3: as reality, hear things from our peers, friends, air quotes
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  Speaker 3: authorities tell us, oh, the market's really bad. Like, this
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  Speaker 3: is really bad. You know, why should I even bother?
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  Speaker 3: But again, we feel like we're in this mad competition
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  Speaker 3: against everybody. We're at some point almost willing to do whatever.
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  Speaker 3: How are you going to get there? Do whatever it takes, Brandon.
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  Speaker 3: Do whatever it takes.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: So, okay, like, you know, let's just, let's at least
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  Speaker 3: do the Adderall and see if we can get a
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  Speaker 3: leg up. Right? I mean, you know, if it comes
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  Speaker 3: in a pill, it's got to be okay. Right, guys?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If it's prescribed. So you were saying you were
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  Speaker 2: looking for relief. Would you say that you were looking
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  Speaker 2: for relief in alcohol also?
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  Speaker 3: So Marcy, one of the places that I teach the
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  Speaker 3: breath work a lot is at recovery centers.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the things that if I kind of
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  Speaker 3: look back through the lens, you know, of history, right,
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  Speaker 3: Steve Jobs, the only way to connect the dots is
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  Speaker 3: looking backwards.
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  Speaker 1: I would say that it was that.
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  Speaker 3: It helped to enable community to Right. Help to enable
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  Speaker 3: like and what I mean by that is like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: as we get older, like, you know, if you're not
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  Speaker 3: a member of a church or some like other society,
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  Speaker 3: Rotary Club or some of these other things and like
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  Speaker 3: you don't have these other things, then like at least
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  Speaker 3: you can all go drink together.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It is an easy way to to hang out
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  Speaker 2: with people.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: To connect with people in a very surface way. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So super easy. Not a whole lot to dig deep into.
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  Speaker 3: Like you said, very surface way became like that. That
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  Speaker 3: was the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was socially. It is socially acceptable. Like I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even drink.
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  Speaker 3: I know it sounds like we're like not weird, but like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, even in high school, like all these people
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  Speaker 3: are drinking. I didn't drink.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. OK.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't drink until after I turned twenty one. And
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  Speaker 3: not only because like I was, I ended up being
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  Speaker 3: a bartender, right? So what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: And it was just socially acceptable.
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  Speaker 3: When you're in the environment.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. Like I said, though, too, like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being raised by a hippie mom, like, you know, while
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  Speaker 3: I didn't drink, I did, you know, doing like, you know, marijuana, LSD,
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  Speaker 3: ecstasy and all these other things.
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  Speaker 1: But again, you know, you can't keep doing that and
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  Speaker 1: flourish today, but you can't keep drinking.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You can't keep drinking.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know I'm almost sober 11 years now. Are you,
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  Speaker 2: do you still drink? I mean, I know you're helping in.
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  Speaker 3: It's been about 10 years ago, roughly.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's about 2017 Cinco de Mayo ish.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And it was just like, you know, that was
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  Speaker 3: the slow wind down. Like I didn't, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that I didn't white knuckle it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do AA, but.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, this isn't, this isn't doing it
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  Speaker 3: for me anymore. Right. This is not conducive to who
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to be in my own.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing. Amazing. I think it's incredible when someone can do that.
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  Speaker 2: I love to hear stories like that. And people can
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  Speaker 2: stop drinking on their own, but so many of us
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  Speaker 2: need help. We need the help.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I think that it's much more powerful. And again,
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  Speaker 3: this is something that I share.
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  Speaker 1: With the groups.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it takes a ton of strength and courage
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  Speaker 3: to ask for help.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. I always say that. I mean, I always
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  Speaker 2: say when I told my husband I need help, like
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  Speaker 2: that was the most strength I ever showed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a raw moment now. So and we can
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  Speaker 3: we can tap into that here a little bit if
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  Speaker 3: you want to get into like raw moments. But like
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  Speaker 3: I always tell the group or the individuals that like
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  Speaker 3: that is like that's that's like one of your strongest moments.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're not familiar already with David Hawkins work,
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  Speaker 3: the consciousness map, he's got this logarithmic map that kind
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  Speaker 3: of walks you through consciousness and And the tipping point
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  Speaker 3: on this scale, it goes from zero to a thousand.
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  Speaker 3: The tipping point is around 200 and that's courage, right?
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  Speaker 3: After you take enough courage to ask for the help,
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  Speaker 3: for example, then that's when you begin to open yourself up.
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  Speaker 1: You stop becoming a victim.
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  Speaker 3: You start, you know, kind of, you start stepping into
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  Speaker 3: and assuming control of your own life.
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  Speaker 1: And I use the term control loosely, but you, you
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  Speaker 1: realize that, Oh my, I asked for it.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: You know, Marcy, when you asked for that help, those
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: most vulnerable raw that you ever were, you're like, Oh
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: my God, this doesn't go right. I'm going to explode.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: And since you didn't explode, you're like, wow. Okay. Yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: The way the world came off my shoulders, it really
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: was the most freeing feeling. Yeah. So for you, though,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: let's get back to now the Adderall wasn't working, but
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: the pill wasn't the answer. So what then happened for you?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: What changes did you start making? Because we go to
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the pill, we know it doesn't work. We go to
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the drink and that doesn't work. But how do we
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: find what does work? Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I think most of the times by accident,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: but we start we started off innocently enough. Right. For me, it's,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: you know, the path to like breath work or some
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: of those other openness happened through, oddly enough. Oh, geez. Toastmasters.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Not sure if you've ever been to a Toastmaster or
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: been a Toastmaster.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I know of them. I have not been. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, they're designed to help people speak. But in
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: one of these groups, there was this guy named Nitin
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: who gave like a presentation on meditation. And it was
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: like a 30 second meditation that he had you do
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: during this presentation.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And I felt something.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I felt something.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, let's continue this.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: This is beneficial. I feel something.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: And so. You know, I started meditating and I started
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: going down that path. And how do you realize that
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: it's working for me was when I stopped using it. Right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Then I stopped meditating. And then I realized, like, I.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Was, again, anxious and had like, you know, these kind
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: of like pent up feelings. And I wasn't drinking. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: wasn't doing drugs and Adderall or anything. I said, well,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: what has changed? What has changed over the past couple
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: of weeks or whatever? And I look back and I
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: was like, it was the meditation. And I was actually irritated.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Because I already knew. We all know it's supposed to work.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: We're all supposed to be like, I don't want to
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: be like, but if I tell people that I meditate,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: they're going to be like, am I going to be
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like a tree hugger now? Do I have to start
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: wearing linen shirts? Do I have to invest in patchouli?
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: What happens next? So it didn't line up with who
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I thought I was at the time. And so that
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: was like a little bit of a thing, but like,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: you know, those, those were things. And I started exercise.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I went and I, I did a triathlon within like
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: a year. Like, you know, I did a, I did.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: These little sprints. I did a long one. I did like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was like 50 miles.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: And like, there was like these senses of accomplishments that
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: were happening with this, like this. And I, I did
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: all the things that they say you're supposed to do,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: but I kind of did it on my own. Like, well,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: go exercise, go journal. I'm doing journaling and doing all
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: these things. And all of a sudden, like, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: sudden seems sudden. And within a year's time, within six months,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I was able to look back and I was like, Ooh, what? Um,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: within like eight months, uh, I had experienced a.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Somewhat of an awakening.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Um, and within that experience, uh, you had mentioned talking
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: to your husband about, uh, needing help. I, I, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: was literally experiencing like this full body high, this connectedness
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to the universe. It wasn't euphoric, but it, wasn't less
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: than euphoric right like you had this kind of this
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: feeling of being connected to the universe right and i
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: was like this is weird well let's let's.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Just stop there for a minute because somebody listening might
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: be like connected to the universe but i told but
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: i totally get it because i had the same awakening
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: right so let's For me, what I say connected to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the universe, it's an energetic feeling. It's a pull. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: when you meditate or you pray or you sit in
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: quiet or there's nature, there's something that's happening and you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: feel it fully in your body, like this energetic tingling almost.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Would you say that's the same for you?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Was like a two week period. This is going on, right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Two weeks of this. And I remember I was working
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: with a men's group at this point in time. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: was leading a men's group and talking to them. My wife,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Meg was in the, and I was doing like, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: was making some chili or something for a chili cookoff,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: but I had a Facebook live run in and I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: was talking with the group and.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I was sharing all of this with them.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And my wife was like, uh, Meg was, was, was saying.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: A couple of things here and there and, and, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: joining in the conversation as well. And I had a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: friend of mine, Phil, he goes, Brandon, I think it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: really cool that you're able to talk in front of
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Meg that way.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And I was like, Phil, I don't think Meg knows
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And so once I.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Realized that, I told her kind of what I was
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: going through. And she goes, you know, I said, hey,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I'm experiencing this. Like you said, this energetic pull, this
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: full bodied like tingle, like connected to the universe, like
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: kind of that scene where in the Matrix where Neo dies.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you know, blast all this skin off and there was
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: nothing there but code. Right.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And she goes, well, uh, and I said, I said,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Like I'm feeling this way and I don't know if
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: it's going to get worse before it gets better or
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: if we, you know, tailspin out of this. And I
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: have no idea. And, uh, she goes, well, you're scaring
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: me a little bit. And she goes, are you on drugs?
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I said, no, if I was on.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Drugs, I would have something I could point to. That
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: would be, that would actually be better.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Right that would actually.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Be better because then i could tell you this is
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: what's hey sorry oops yeah it took this pill instead
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of that pill so i'd have something to point to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: but at the end of it speak and this was
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: like just you talk about this vulnerable raw spot she
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: could have been like all right well i'm gonna pack
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: up the kids and i'm out of here like right
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: crazy talk you need to go somewhere and figure your
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: shit out and and and fix it uh but instead
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: she goes you know uh Because like, I think I'm
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: pretty sure her line was like, I'm your ride or die. Like,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: you know, this isn't amazing, but I'm here and work
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: through this. And I don't think that our relationship could
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: have been any strong. Like that's probably the inflection point
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: of the strengthening of our relationship. First and foremost.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: And, and her ability to show unconditional love made, gave
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: me also that ability to, right.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I feel that so much. Cause when I, in that moment, right. I,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I had had like my rock bottom and we, my
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: husband and I had been having problems. And when I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: said that and he hugged me and he showed me
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that unconditional love, like it just turned our relationship around
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: in a way that I, it was such a blessing.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And I mean, here we are almost 11 years later
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't ask for a better relationship and we both, yeah. Right. Like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and you both grow through this, He may not be
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: meditating every day like me, but he's evolving with me.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I think, I think, I think that's another huge
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: part in this whole process, Marcy. And it took me,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe a few months or whatever to figure
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: out that her journey is not my journey.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Right. Or to tell somebody else, you know, what their
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: journey is. But what we do know are the signposts
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: and the mileposts.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Right. But we can't tell them how quickly they're going
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to get to each one or exactly what the journey
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: is going to look like. As they say, the map
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: is not the territory. Just because we have the map
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we know how they're going to navigate
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and get there.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, we all have our own journey and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: sharing our lived experience and what has worked. And then
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: there's what resonates with others. Right. That's why we have
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: these conversations and share, which is amazing. And one of
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the things that really came out of this for me,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: my first book was called Chaos to Clarity because I just,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: my life was complete chaos. And that's what I knew.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: That's what I knew growing up. Like that was where
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I had the comfort, even though I hated it so much.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But today it's about that, having real peace, right? So
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: somebody had asked me about peace and I want you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: to tell me what you think about peace. But for me,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: it's like, there's a difference in peace. There's, it's not
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: just being quiet. There's a calmness, right? So there's, it's
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: a different feeling where you're not like, it may be quiet,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: but you're, you feel like you're going to crawl out
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of your skin. Now, now I, I embrace the peace
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and I long for it daily. Yeah. How about you?
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's interesting.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. I've never been a peace seeker. Right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So I think that we get we get what we seek.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I think I could align it with
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: that stillness, though. And maybe that is peace. I just
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I think there's this certainty that you get in being
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: who you are.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: And being I think I like the word certainty in
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that space. Like you're certain that you're like, for example, I.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Thought about this.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: A little bit before we got on here. but if
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: we always think that we're in the wrong place at
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the wrong time, then we are right. It's going to
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: be really hard. It's going to be really hard. It's
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: going to be really hard to make things better. If
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: we think everything's terrible. Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: So if we can realize that we are in exactly
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the right time, the right space, the right place for
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: us as individuals to become, and what does that mean? Like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: you know, if we look at, if we look at
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Maslow's hierarchy and he's or anybody else's, it's like, The
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: tip of the tip there of that triangle and what
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: everybody's trying to accomplish is self-actualization and self-realization. Right. And self-expression.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And so when we when we get to that point,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I think that that's that's what we're all seeking. And,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you know, so it could be peace. And but I
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: think that if we open ourselves up.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I got I got sidetracked, Marcy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I know that if we think that we're in the
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: wrong place, we'll always be stuck there, right?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So if we realize, like right now, for example, I realize, wow, how.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Amazing is it that I live in a time where
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: we can have a conversation like this, right? The technology exists.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I am personally, I love technology. I am great with technology.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: If I'd been born in the 1880s, I'm pretty sure
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I would have been shot Marcy. Right. I don't know
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: because I wasn't, I wasn't, um, you know, it wasn't
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: so bright that way. Like, you know, I was provoking
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: people and things and I would have been like, you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: He's done moving on.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Right. I was like, I mean, and I know this
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: is like a goofy one to say, but I'm really
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: glad that I wasn't rich when I was younger because man,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I would have bought too many drugs and probably OD'd.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Like I make that joke. Like that's real.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's real.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So my life has provided for me to continue to
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: be here, to continue to sustain. And if I'm still here, there's.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Got to be a reason, right? There's got to be
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a reason.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Like you don't make it through all the things that
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I've made it through fairly unscathed, mind you.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how, right?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Like you think about some of the things, Marcy, maybe
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: you did when you were using, right?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Or drinking, partying.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, I got stories.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, how did we, how did we make it through?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: God was watching me. It's like, we got to get
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you through this time. Cause you got work to do
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: later in life. Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, we get to be here and the
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: reason and that purpose doesn't have to be either. Like
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: people can sometimes look at that as like, well, they
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: don't have to do this. It's not like these magnificent,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: huge things. I mean, we think about the butterfly effect, right? Like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And I always mention to the groups when I'm with
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: them or even, you know, so I work with I
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: work with the recovery groups, but I also work with
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: like high performing individuals and groups as well. And like
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the flip side of that is like maybe you're just
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: in here to connect this person to that person today.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Right. It doesn't they don't even have to know exactly.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Or I'll tell the groups, whatever it is that you're
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: doing today, you're probably inspiring somebody to do the exact
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to find the courage for themselves. Right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Because nobody ever believed that you Marcy would ever stop
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: drinking or ever stop partying.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And then there's probably people out there, all kinds of
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: people that reach out to me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for being you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't say anything and do anything special, but it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: because of you that I did X, Y, or Z.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It was one thing you say that connects with someone else.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the things like you were talking
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: about Maslow and the triangle and So when I became
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: familiar with energy, right, and we're talking about the different
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: levels of energy, and you're saying, if I'm always in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the wrong place, you know, it's not going to work
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: out kind of thing. And that's that power of energy, right?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: So at the lowest, to understand, if you're listening, you
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: don't understand, like there's the lowest forms of energy, which
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: fear is one of the lowest forms of energy, right?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, anger is above fear.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: And you're seeking.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: love and peace.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And, and that's what these elevations of the different levels
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of energy create the different energy effects you have in
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: your life, right? Like what you are attracting in your life.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And so that's the power of this. So, and, and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I love how, you know, we, I appreciate that we
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: don't have to think of this as woo woo as
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: much as we used to.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. Yeah. Because this stuff works and meditation works. And,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and that is, and for me, how meditation worked is
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I always was looking outside of myself for validation and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: never knowing who I was and, and that I lost myself.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: So when I started calming down and taking the time,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and listen, I don't sit there and get quiet for
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: an hour with myself. I get that, how difficult that is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But when I did start calming down and reconnecting with myself,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that's where I learned who I was. And that's where
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I fell in love with myself. Like I didn't know
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: how to love myself. And society teaches us how selfish
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that is. But we have to be our best versions
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: for ourselves and then for others, right? Yeah. And that's,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and that's a lot of the work that you're doing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And now you, you found breath work. So how did
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that happen? And like, was it an aha moment or
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: was it like over time that you realized how powerful
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: it was or is? Yeah.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: So the, the immediate breath work. So I had somebody,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I had a friend of mine, it was actually this
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: guy named Dave, and we had done, again, many live
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: sessions on Facebook together, along with this other gentleman named Phil,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: where we would have these real, we would just have
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: real honest men's conversations, but publicly, talking about some of
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the struggles that we actually face and how we're dealing
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: with them. As we all stayed connected together, Dave had
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: started teaching breathwork. So Dave's out there teaching breathwork, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Dave, that looks great. Continue on. Sally Forth,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: my good friend. Because here I am. I'm listening to podcasts.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I'm journaling.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: I'm meditating. I'm exercising. I'm like, you know, all the
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: personal development. I got books to catch up on that
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I'm personally developing. I couldn't possibly add on. I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: know about you, Marcia. You ever thought about all the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: things you're supposed to do that are supposed to make
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you happy, supposed to bring you peace and do all
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the things.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It would be overwhelming.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I don't have time.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I don't have all the time.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I was like, uh, my friend
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Tom says, Hey Brandon, are you going to go check
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: out this thing Dave's doing on Saturdays? Like absolutely not.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Couldn't possibly get any more personal development wedged.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Into his life.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And he goes, Oh, I'm only going cause he's your friend.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: And I was like, you son of a BIT. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: so I go and I do the breath work. I
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: lay down, I do the, you know, it's an hour
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: long session, first session, uh, mind you hour long session.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: But as I do the session, um, It's just literally
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: like mind blowing session.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Um, like, uh, I'm like craving it right now. You
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: just talking about it. I would love it. Right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: So it was like, it was like a full body
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: high mind, mental explosion.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I get done.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, Dave, wow. He's like, yeah, I know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: And Dave, uh, at that point in time, it was
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: 20 plus years sober too.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Like, and so he's like, I was like, I was like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't, from what it's worth, Marcy, I'm, I'm, this
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: isn't what anybody should be seeking. but this is still
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: what happened. And I'll share this is that I didn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: think that I would ever feel like I was on
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: shrooms or acid or ecstasy or anything like that ever again,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: because I wasn't doing them again or, you know, wasn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: in the plans. And here I had had an experience
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: from within that was similar to that. But, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: it was all, it was all done with the body
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: and self-induced and, and, The great news, and I always
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: kind of make this joke, is that the thing I
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: love about breathwork is that you can have that experience,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: but then you can walk up and go drive a car.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: You don't have to dedicate an entire day to it
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: or all this other stuff. And like, and the beauty
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: of it is too, is like, it's like you mentioned,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: we've been going outside so often to try and find these,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: these things outside of ourselves. Here was something that presented
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: itself that I'd done with the body. It was all
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the other benefits that are included. And I was having
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: these moments of clarity because, you know, with our daily
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: life and struggles, like how do I solve this thing?
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: And we focus so intently on it. We can't figure
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: it out. But here, like, these answers were just coming
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: through breathwork. I was like, oh, what is this magnificent thing?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: And the funny part is, I said, Dave, this is amazing.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: He goes, I know, right?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, Dave, you got to teach me how
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to do this. He goes, no.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, what?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Right? He didn't feel like.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: He was in a place at that point in time
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: to be a teacher of it. It was still new
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: to him.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: So I said, I appreciate that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: And so. you know, I went and I found my
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: own path and, um, you know, found, uh, different types
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and styles of breath work to, to go after lots
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: of reading, lots of, uh, you know, certified in, in, uh, Soma,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: which is along with music and rhythmic counting and great
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: visualizations and all the other things. There's a ton of
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: different ways to go about it. But, um, yeah, I
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: realized that like, this was something that, like you said,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: not necessarily craving, but I want it definitely had to
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: be a part of my life.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: And I had to share it with others.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Like, So I also do workshops in recovery centers
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and I do a lot of grounding exercises, but the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: thing is, is that we all can use them. We don't,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: you don't have to have any substance issues. This helps
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: us when we are in that fight or flight. Right. Right. So,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Why don't you share with us exactly what is happening
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: with breathwork and something that somebody could start today?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: With breathwork, I think part of the biggest part, like
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: you're talking about there, is like, I think initially we
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: want some, especially in recovery, right? Or like in any
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: given situation. Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Let's say that I'm in a sales meeting and I
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: start to feel my heart beating and I start to
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: hear myself talking quicker. And, you know, maybe a bead
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: of sweat starts like showing up like that is a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: signal like on a dashboard of your car says, hey,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Marcy, you're you're you're entering into fight or flight.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: This is a signal that's showing up. And so, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: a is just realizing that the signal is just showing
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: up and be realizing that like your subconscious and your
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: body is like an extension of your subconscious.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And so there you are.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: You're lighting up the dashboard light pops up and says
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: you're panicking and you're like, I am panicking.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And historically, we're like our body knows what's up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, we're going to we just go ahead
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and spiral.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Because we don't.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: What's the line? I didn't get a manual with this thing.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, we didn't get a manual with this
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: thing called life and our bodies. So it's up to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: us to learn. All right. So now if we're feeling
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: this panic and overwhelm, generally we're going to feel it
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: in our chest and our shoulders. Right. And so what
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: we want to do is we want to take we
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: want to want to take a breath in through our
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: nose and down to our belly, let the diaphragm expand and.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you know, let it just follow up and come up
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: to the top and a nice longer exhale than an inhale.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Here's kind of what's happening, right? When we go into
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: fight or flight, our body uses our chest as an
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: auxiliary breathing apparatus, right? It's akin, I reference cars a lot,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: but it's akin to if you've ever seen a car
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that has that scoop on the hood of the car,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: it's taking in more air so that it has more
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: energy because it's going to need to explode, needs to
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: fight or freeze.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Flea.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Right. And so that's what's happening. And so we do that.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Our bodies just, our bodies just continue to like cycling
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the loop. We realize it and we realize that the
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: dashboard light has come on. This is our opportunity to say, okay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: into the nose, down to the belly. When we breathe
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: in our diaphragm, that's us signaling to the body that
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: we're in rest and digest, right. That we are in
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: a comfortable spot. And then when we breathe in through
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: our nose, specifically when we breathe in through our nose,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Our body is creating nitric oxide, right? And it only
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: happens by like, I don't know the medical terms, but
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: basically just comes in and slams to the back of
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: our nose and creates nitric oxide. And that nitric oxide
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: has a one and a half second half-life, right? So
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: within one and a half seconds, it has to go
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: do its job. And its job is to, it's a
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: vassal dilator. It opens up your blood vessels in your body.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: So if it opens up the blood vessels, opens up
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the blood vessels in your body, it's like uncaking a hose, right?
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: You just uncake the hose, flows easier. And if your
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: blood is flowing easier, then there's less stress on your heart.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: And if there's less stress on your heart, you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: your your vagus nerve is connected to all your organs.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of like the super highway of information.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: So information goes from your heart up to the vagus
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: nerve and there's an 80, 20 ratio, right? The vagus
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: nerve is sending about 80% of the information and the
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: brain's only like doing 20, right? So if it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Sends the information up to the brain and it says, Hey,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: heart is cool. We good, right?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Like we, we, we have solved the situation. We were
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: breathing with our diaphragm. We're breathing in through our nose.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: We have, we have calmed the entire thing down. Your
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: nervous system says, cool. Like we, we, we, we were
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: not in fight or flight anymore.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: And so it's just like literally in that moment, but
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: there's more, but wait now, how much would you pay?
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: But there's more, right? There's, there's the idea of, um,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: This is just simply a pattern interrupt, right? These are
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: the moments, these are the moments most people are like, well,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: I do that already. I do that naturally, right? They're like,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: all right, dude, I always take a breath. Now, I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: don't call that breath work though. I call that like
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: the yo shit button. I don't know if you got
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: to bleep me out or if I'm allowed to do that,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: but that's the yo shit button, right? Like, it's like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: oh God, panic mode right now. I feel it all
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: right now. Dash lights come on now. You know, your
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: dash lights only come on if you didn't add gas
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: when you're supposed to, if you didn't add oil when
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to, if you have regular maintenance or like
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: kind of put the stuff on, then the dash light
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: never comes on.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: So. So this is like a pattern interrupts happening, too.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: So this is literally you rewiring yourself in the situation
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: instead of allowing yourself to continue down panic and fight
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: or flight.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: You said, oh, let's reroute. Let's reroute. This is not a.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Lion, tiger or a bear. We can just breathe through this.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: There's other things that you can do if you're feeling
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: that way that are pattern interrupts as well. I like
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: to share, are you familiar with the emotional field? Was
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: it the emotional field tapping? Like where you tap like you're.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Like butterfly tapping?
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Is that what you call it? Yeah. But like there's like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you go through, you're feeling these things and
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you start doing these mantras and you tap yourself. Now,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: those are great and effective. And why I share that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: is because my way is not the only way. Breathwork works,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: but there are other ways that you can resolve this. Now,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: That being said, there's no way I'm going to be
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: in front of a meeting sharing a presentation, starting to
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: feel panic.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: And overwhelm and start doing this.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, hey, guys, we're cool. Like, I'm just
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: a little overwhelmed by what you just said there. Not
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: sure if you're going to take this deal, but I'm
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: going to write.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling triggered. Hold on.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. There's no way like you want to
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: see your pilot up there flying the plane just doing
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: this for a minute being like, what the hell is
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: he doing? Like, what's happening?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: So while that exists and it is effective, like this
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: is an effective way to regain self-control and composure without
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: signaling to everybody else in the room that you're regaining
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: your composure. And that's great.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: That is using breathing in a situation.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Like I said, the ocean. But what you want to
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: do is something like called coherent breathing.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: So let's say you start your day with like a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: meditation practice. Let's say you're already journaling. Let's say you're
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: doing like all these other things. What I'd recommend is
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: that you. do a coherent breath work, right? There's a
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: nice book on it. I don't have it in front
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: of me. So remember the author's name, but it's scientifically backed.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Like you said, it's great because now it's not just
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: all woo woo. There's, you know, actual doctors and science
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: behind it all that keeps coming out. So this practice is,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: it's called coherent breathing. It's five in five out for
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: five minutes into the nose, diaphragmatic breathing for five minutes.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: At some point in there, you focus on some type
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: of gratitude and, or something you feel grateful for, particularly again,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: like that helps to expand your body and puts you
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: at ease. But you do that for about 300 seconds.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: HeartMath Institute recommends 300 seconds. And then your breathing actually
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: dictates your heart rate, right? So you bring that all
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: into a rhythm. You actually bring them into sync and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: into a coherent pattern, right? And when you do that,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: You will reduce your levels of cortisol. You will reduce inflammation.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: And that will set you on a pace for the day.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: The reduction in cortisol is double digits, right?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: 10% plus. So if you could, Marcy, reduce the amount of.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Fear that you have in the day, the amount of
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: anxiety that you have in the day, the amount of
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: anxiety and overwhelm or whatever is caused by these things
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: by 10% or more, what would that look like for you? Right.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: What would that look like to you?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And that's the question I usually pause and ask and say,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you know, what would you try to do? What would
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you accomplish if you knew that you were going to
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: get those double digit returns every day? And if you're
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: in the stock market, you would do it every day.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: There'd be no question about it. Now, just invest that
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: five minutes in yourself because then you're going to reduce
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: that need that you need to hit that OSHIP button
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: that we talked about.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Because now you've got this practice that you set yourself
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: off at the beginning of the day. that helps you, uh,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: to override that. So hopefully that's helpful for anybody that's
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: out there. You don't have to do anything ultra super special,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: but the recommendation is, you know, like I, like I
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: found for myself was that you're, you're the science experiment here, right?
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Try it for yourself.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: See how it goes. Don't half-ass it. Like literally try it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Give it zero expectations too. Cause I think that that's another,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: another big one. Um, be, Because if you've got a
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: certain set of expectations on how it's supposed to work,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: those might not show up. So the line is be
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: open to anything, right, happening, and then just let it happen, right?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Try it for five days and see if something isn't different.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: See if there's less anxiety, right?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: See if you have a little relief, right? Yeah.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is not only mental. I mean, this
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: is physical, too. This is like you get sick from
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: these things. Yeah. This keeps you much healthier in the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: long run.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: So if you're if your body's in fight or flight,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you're there's and I don't know exactly what the name
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: of the thing is called. But like, you know, you
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: can only produce like cortisol or this other thing is
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: called DHA, you know, letters for a hormone that helps
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you to rest and repair. right? So if you're stuck
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: in anxiety, and most of us are, even if we
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: don't believe it, because we feel like this is our normal, right?
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Like we all have like these normal things running in
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: our background, like a million tabs open. So when we
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: reduce this and we put ourselves into this coherent pattern,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: our body's actually able to create the rest and repair stuff,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: which keeps us looking younger, which keeps us looking more vibrant, which,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, makes us feel more lively.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, I think that.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: You can correct me if I'm wrong, but like there's
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: people out there that we can look at in life
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: and just been like, wow, they've had a rough life.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. And people ask me like, what's,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: what's my trick. Cause I I'm 57 and you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: how do you stay, I guess, vibrant and younger and healthy. Right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: And it's all this work. Yeah. I mean, it's like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: it's amazing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Would you call it work? Cause I think maybe that's
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: the problem. Cause I remember that too. Like, do we
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: call it work or what else can we call it?
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: That it's like more.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I agree that it's not the best word because people
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: associate negativity with work.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I action is what I say. I like,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you gotta, you gotta put in the action. To create
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the change. Do we like action?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I love action. Look, that's, you know, that's, I think,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: my problem. But let's go do something. I mean, I
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: think that's the other thing, too, that I usually share
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: about the breath work that I do, too. Like my
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: breath work isn't necessarily for you to feel like you
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: want to take a nap when you're done. I'm sure
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: your listeners, if they're familiar with some of the work
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: that you're doing, are familiar with flow state, right? The
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: idea is to get into this flow state where we feel,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: but without feeling energized, we won't take that action.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: And when we do this breath work, you know, we,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: we also put ourselves into a place of psychological safety, right? We've, we've,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: we've lowered, we've lowered this, this heightened arousal state. Now
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: we're like, we're comfortable. And that's where, that's where, and
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  Speaker 3: then you feel energized enough to be able to take
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and make those changes. And that's where, honestly, like that's where,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: that's where it happens when you feel psychologically safe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's what we want to feel safe, right?
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  Speaker 2: We truly, at the end of the day, we all
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: want to feel safe. So right now we're just going
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  Speaker 2: You're not broken. You're waking up. Welcome back, Brandon. We
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  Speaker 2: have been talking about such incredible work and your breath
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  Speaker 2: work and what you're doing. Tell us exactly about your
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  Speaker 2: business and what how this started for you and what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now, um, you know, I run everything
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  Speaker 3: under brandonghandley.com or just as a personal, uh, brand, uh,
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  Speaker 3: because I find myself just kind of twisting the nuance
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  Speaker 3: from time to time.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So right now I'm running spirit of the deal. And
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: that's really the essence of who you are in the deal.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Meaning like, you know, the core of who you are
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: and what you're trying to serve your customers and clients with,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to really shine through, right? And when you
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: can align yourself with those actions and that mindset of
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  Speaker 3: being of service and, you know, trying to benefit not
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: just yourself, but the people across from you so that
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: the whole world benefits, that's going to shine through. So
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  Speaker 3: I do that through breathwork, through coaching. Through conversations similar
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: to yours, Marcy, you and I met on my podcast,
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  Speaker 3: Created the Deal. And we really need people to be
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: able to just identify some of the circumstances, see other
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: people that have done it to realize that maybe the
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: grind isn't the way that it has to be done anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe sacrificing who you are to your job and the
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: work so that when you're maybe at 65, you get
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: to enjoy your life. That's not the way, right? How
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: can we enjoy our lives, enjoy what we do, get
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: paid well for doing it without sacrificing the truth of
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: who we are?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. How is it that you're working with people?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: When they start with you, what are they doing? Take
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: me through what they will benefit and how that work would,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: what would that work look like?
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the people that I work with,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: they initially have this kind of idea of, Again, the
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: old fashioned way of grinding it out, more time put in,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: grinding themselves up and sacrificing themselves for, you know, the
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: money or the job or even like their family, right?
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  Speaker 3: Without giving themselves anything is kind of a paradigm that
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I try to flip for them. Try to have them,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: like you talked about, go inside, have them leverage some
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: of the tools that are built in like breathwork, like visualization, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I point to the science, right? I think like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, all the.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Science is there now, right? Help them to understand their
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: own dashboard, right? It's not just the shoulders and the chest.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of language that we haven't been taught. Like, again,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: understanding like, you know, just because where you feel and
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: what you're feeling at that point in time and how
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: to move that if you'd like.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I call it state.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Shifting, you know, because these are all different.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: States of being.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: And if we realize that, on this map, I'm in
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: this state. I just traversed to this other state where
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I'd like to exist.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, and how that benefits them is like being able to, uh, authentically,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: you know, register and sell a deal and deal with it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And I'd say like sales, you know, who I hope
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: help out the most, but this is everywhere that you're at, right?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: This is everywhere that you're at being able to, uh,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: walk forward authentically in alignment, um, it's going to show
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: up much stronger and you're going to finally be able to,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: you know, the Trojan horse is like, this is your
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: path to like self-realization, right? This is your path to actualization.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: And when you, when you take some of these steps
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: that you didn't believe were possible before you, you get
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: that experience. Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: It's truly incredible. And I can't thank you enough for
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: coming on the show, Brandon, and sharing so openly and
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: for the work that you do. Thank you all so
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: much for joining Wake Up with Marci today, whether you
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: are watching or listening. I am so grateful for you
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: and your participation. That means so much. And with you participating,
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• 53:06
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  Speaker 2: What is a topic you would love for me to discuss?
• 53:12
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• 53:16
  Speaker 2: What was a nugget you gained in today's show? And
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  Speaker 2: share this with someone who needs to hear it because
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: it'd be so great if we could create that ripple
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: effect together and help others. So thank you again. And
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I will see you next week with an all new
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: episode of Wake Up With Marci. And remember, you're not broken.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You are beginning.