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From Toronto’s Heartbreak to LA’s Glory – Blue Jays Fall, Dodgers Rise & NFL Heat Ahead · Off the Bench - London

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  Ladies and gentlemen, you are now tuned in to
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  Off the Bench London with your hosts, Malcolm
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  the Milkman Noel and Patrick Special K. Only
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  a little different. It sure is. It's not Scott
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  the Visionary, but I got Special K in the building.
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  It's a little different this week. So the Visionary
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  has a prior engagement that he has to follow
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  today. So you're lucky to get Special K in the
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  building. Mr. Patrick. How you doing, man? Thanks
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  for having me. How you doing? I'm doing great.
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  Doing great. We're going to talk a little baseball.
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  We're going to talk a lot of football. Yep. All
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  right. Let's do it. But is this your first time
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  on a podcast? First time on a podcast, yes. And
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  this is a live podcast, too. I know. Pressure's
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  on me. Well, we'll see if you can hold up. I
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  think it's more just not swearing. That's the
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  hard part. I think that took us a little bit
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  to get used to and not, you know, overindulge
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  in those good words that we like to use when
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  we're frustrated or happy, you know? Absolutely.
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  And as a Jays fan, I have a lot of words I'd
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  like to use. Okay. Well, before we even get into
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  that, I want to say thank you again for Clubhouse
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  other things as well. But yeah, and then Monday
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  nights we give out a jersey. As you can see,
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  it's a CD Lamb jersey this week. Absolutely.
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  It was going to be a different one, but I got
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  lucky and got the CeeDee Lamb one. So the next
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  week, it's the Eagles jersey, and I really want
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  to put my name into that job, but that's kind
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  of like cheating. A little bit. A little bit.
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  Almost. Almost. But, yeah, no, honestly. Is it
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  going to be a Phillips jersey for the Eagles
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  jersey? It hurts. Big trade. Yo, let's be honest.
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  The Eagles won their bye week. They won their
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  bye week. That's right. Jair Alexander. Yep.
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  Phillips. Yeah, man. That defense is looking
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  nice. Well, we need it. We need it. We definitely
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  need it. But, like, before we even get to that
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  point, let's talk about why a lot of people are
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  a little bit burnt out of sports. It's been one
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  hell of a week. Absolutely. A weekend. Well,
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  it's been, like, the whole entire week. Well,
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  the whole week. The whole World Series. But I
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  think Toronto Blue Jays fans, Canadian sports
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  fans, and more specifically Toronto fans, this
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  weekend, was literally a weekend from hell. I
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  think the emotions, the highs, the opportunities,
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  the missed chances that we had, that was a World
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  Series that the Jays really dropped. They dropped.
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  I would say it's more like the Jays did something
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  that brought the whole country together. I think
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  that was something special. There's going to
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  be a lot of new fans, and I think next spring
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  we're going to see probably a record number for
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  youth sign -ups for baseball, t -ball, softball.
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  Honestly, yeah, that's the biggest thing, too.
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  It wasn't just Canada, though. It was parts of
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  the States, Japan. The viewership for the World
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  Series was astronomical. It was the highest it's
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  ever... Well, not ever, but I think they said
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  that most of the games for a lot of these networks
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  were some of the highest -rated games in decades,
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  most viewed games in decades. At one point in
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  time, I think it was during the 18 -inning game,
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  during Game 3, there was 8 million people in
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  Canada that had tuned in at one point in that
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  game. 8 million different households in Japan.
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  They had 17 million households tune in. Just
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  massive numbers. A large percentage of these
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  populations were just right into it. And it was
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  great baseball, regardless of who you were cheering
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  for. It was fun baseball to watch. Yeah, if you
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  follow the socials, you understand that I'm a
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  Dodgers fan. But being a Dodgers fan, that kind
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  of did hurt. Because, like, obviously, I don't
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  ever want to wish my team to lose in a World
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  Series. I just want great baseball. And we got
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  it. We got Yamamoto. MVP. MVP. But I think he's
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  a bigger star than Otani. No one's bigger than
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  Otani. Otani's a unicorn. But I think after how
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  Yamamoto pitched, with 96 pitches, allegedly
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  getting pulled after the 96 pitches in Game 6
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  because of tightness in his throwing elbow, and
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  then coming out and throwing about 40 pitches
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  to seal that World Series victory for the Dodgers.
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  was truly just an incredible athletic feat. An
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  incredible athletic feat that you don't hear
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  about that anymore. Oh, it's true. And I'm proud
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  to be a Dodgers fan at the same time because
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  I became a fan when it was Yasiel Puig on the
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  team. And also became a fan because Magic Johnson...
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  bought into i'm a laker fan as well yes so the
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  only two teams that are i have the same are the
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  lakers and the dodgers and that's just baseball
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  hockey that's different uh football we all know
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  i'm an eagles fan yes um but it was just this
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  world series was different from last year due
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  to the fact that it was the battle of like canada
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  versus japan in a sense i think it was like Not
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  necessarily like those two, but like... You could
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  almost argue that it was a We the North type
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  scenario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, even the
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  whole way through, I know on the Fox broadcast
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  and after every show, after the Jays beat the
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  Yankees and Big Pappy... The Yankees lose. The
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  Yankees lose. That's right. Big Pappy was the
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  only one that was given the Jays their flowers.
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  A -Rod, Derek Jeter, they were homers. Oh, the
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  Yankees lost it. Yeah, the Yankees lost it, but
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  the Jays were a better team. Seattle came around.
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  You started to see Jeter start coming around
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  on this Jays team and really believe it. And
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  I think even by the end of it, as some people
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  will say, in the end, the best team won, in my
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  opinion. I like where you're going with this.
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  The best team won. And as much as some people
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  will say, oh, you know what, the Jays were the
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  better team, in the end, they weren't. The Jays
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  made their mistakes. There was some errors made.
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  But you can just see that a lot of the American
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  populace, they really started to understand Blue
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  Jays baseball. I think we talked about this previously.
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  Most broadcasts, I think 90 % of them were picking
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  the Dodgers to sweep or five games or six games.
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  I was one of those people. Very few people picked
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  the Blue Jays to win. And very few had the series
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  going past five games. That's true. I think the
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  Jays ended up showing just how resilient of a
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  team they are. and just how fundamental baseball
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  really works last year's world series it was
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  run hard the yankees make mistakes yeah the blue
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  jays don't make much mistakes the dodgers made
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  even fewer especially in the last two games um
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  looking at that game and going past that game
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  it's just like after the after the dodgers won
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  the world series and sports nets broadcasts was
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  on after and saying the best team didn't win
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  this game that baseball gods got it wrong um
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  x y and z as a dodgers fan watching that i was
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  just like that was the most heartbreaking heartbreaking
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  thing they could have said due to the fact that
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  everyone now in canada and parts of the states
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  as well who were cheering on the blue jays their
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  heart was broken and just to add that nail into
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  the coffin and just like Well, technically, to
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  win a World Series, the best team has to win.
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  Yes. This was the best display of baseball across
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  the world that everyone got to witness, and somebody
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  had to lose. I brought this point up to a group
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  of coworkers today, actually, and I said to them,
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  I'm like, if you were to watch this series, not
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  Jays versus Dodgers, but just Team A versus Team
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  B, you know, white jersey versus gray jersey,
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  you don't, you know, it's just neutral. This
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  is probably some of the most exciting baseball
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  that at least in the last 20 years we've seen.
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  Game seven is probably one of the best game sevens
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  in all of baseball history. Right. If not just
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  the greatest game in baseball history. Now there's
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  that that is up for debate. But I feel like that
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  game seven game had everything back and forth.
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  The pitching duel. You had the benches clear.
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  You have teams get warnings. You had home runs.
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  Just stuff. You had unsung heroes. Who saw Rojas
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  hitting that home run? That was crazy. Yes. That
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  was crazy. And every Jays fan was sitting there,
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  and Yassavage is the man, and he still is the
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  man. I 100 % believe he is going to have an incredible
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  future going forward. But I think every Jays
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  fan thought, hey, 8 -9 batter and then Otani,
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  you're going to go out there as Yassavage, and
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  you're just going to deal. And that's baseball.
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  Baseball is incredible because you've got to
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  get the last out. There is no time. There is
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  no time. You've got to throw the pitches over
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  the plate. You've got to get the outs. The other
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  thing you've got to look for is this was like
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  one of the World Series where refs didn't really
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  dictate the series, except for like we can talk
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  about Game 6 when the ball got wedged. Which?
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  Which? Like, you can bring it up. You can bring
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  it up. We talked about this off. Yeah, yeah.
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  So I feel, and not even as a Jays fan perspective,
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  is that ball, yes, it stopped on the wall. Yes,
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  it appeared wedged. That ball was still playable,
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  in my opinion. I feel the only stadium that should
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  have a trapped ball rule is Wrigley Field, because
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  you can lose the ball. in the grass. Every other
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  stadium, they're now, these stadiums are built
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  for baseball. They don't have these massive gaps.
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  They're straight down onto the turf, onto the
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  grass. And it was smart. Defensive substitution
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  comes in. The ball doesn't bounce back to him.
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  He throws his hands up right away saying it's
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  a trap ball. Which is smart. Very smart. Because
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  if he goes and makes a play on the ball, the
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  umpires are going to let him keep playing the
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  game. So that was, and I think there was a couple
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  of smart moves like that by players, just being
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  aware of the situation, not letting it get bigger
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  than them. And the great thing too is Addison
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  Barger sees the ball is stuck. He's rounding
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  the base. He doesn't stop looking for an umpire
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  signal. He runs all the way home. Which is good.
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  Which is smart. So just kind of circling back,
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  my whole point is I feel maybe a potential rule
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  change the league can look into is to say, hey,
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  no more trapped balls unless it gets lost in
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  the ivy where you physically can't see it. And
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  just really remove, like, any ball that's been
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  trapped. a player's always been able to get it.
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  It's just that a lot of the time, they're standing
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  and waiting for the ricochet, and it doesn't
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  happen, so they want the play to stop, which
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  kind of goes against everything that you and
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  I have been taught in the sports we've played,
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  which is you go, and you're always after it,
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  right? You play to the whistle. Play to the whistle,
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  100%. You have to. Yeah. No, like, it's tough,
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  right? It was only that instance that I, and,
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  like, some calls with the umps, where if it was
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  a strike or a ball, that... But that's the human
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  nature of the game. That's the human nature of
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  the game. And I really don't wish them to do,
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  like, computer sensor for the strikeout. I don't
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  like that. I do like the human air of it in that
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  aspect of, like, the strike balls and so forth.
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  And you can go to reviews if you need to. But
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  it makes it consistent. Well, that being said
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  as well, look at catchers like Alejandro Kirk,
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  who are known for framing pitches. That is taking
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  advantage of human error. That is knowing, hey,
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  this guy, he likes to call a little bit of a
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  lower zone. I'm going to make sure that my hand
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  is in a perfect spot right here. It's below the
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  strike zone for the batter, but it's staying
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  still, and it's in a spot where the umpire will
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  not... With the next year, the challenges coming
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  in on strikes and balls, I'm slightly worried
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  about what will actually happen with catchers
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  like Alejandro Kirk, who have made a career of
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  being able to frame pitches. Will Smith, I believe,
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  also is one of the top framers in the MLB. Will
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  we see a drop -off in their talent? Most likely,
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  most likely, most likely. But, yeah, it's just
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  like... Media's got to watch how they communicate
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  World Series, how they communicate sports. I
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  think... Because when you go in a negative approach,
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  especially in a moment like when a whole country
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  is mourning the loss of the Blue Jays, you can't
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  sit there and be like the best team didn't win
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  because you got to be... But that's the emotional
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  approach. And with the Sportsnet broadcast being
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  that Sportsnet owns the Blue Jays. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah. You're bound to see that bias. And I understand
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  the point you're coming from, but I feel like
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  a lot more Blue Jays fans, Canadian casual sports
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  fans, probably resonated with that thought of
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  the better team. And you're not wrong with that.
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  But bringing it back a little bit, it's just
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  like... It is a slap in the face because it does
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  take away from what the Dodgers accomplished.
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  You have to be humble for losing. And honestly,
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  the Blue Jays were last last year. They're in
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  the World Series here. There's so much to be
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  proud about. The accomplishments, the fact that
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  the power of friendship over money almost won
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  them a series. Okay, first off, I love that.
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  I love that. But I think a lot of baseball fans
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  don't. The Blue Jays had the fifth highest payroll.
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  Yes, it is. This season in the NBA. Technically,
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  the Dodgers have the second. Yes. Because the
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  Mets are first. Behind the Mets. Until next year.
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  And the Blue Jays only spent $40 million less
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  than the Dodgers did this year on player salaries.
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  Correct. Because next year it becomes $100. Yeah.
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  The Dodgers do have a lot more contracts that
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  are locked up. Yeah. But I feel like that whole,
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  oh, we're a small market team. I think that's
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  just the twist that a lot of Jays fans try to
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  drop in from when we were a middle of the pack
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  spending team before Rodgers decided to put money
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  into the team, as well as it gives us the us
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  versus them mentality that David versus Goliath
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  mentality. I think I heard more about payroll
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  in the last week. than I ever want to hear in
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  my whole life. And it's hard for a lot of people
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  because you're like, oh, well, Jays only spent
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  $40 million less. And then they're like, well,
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  $40 million is a big difference. Well, they paid
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  Max Scherzer $31 million. So it's maybe one or
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  two players. But my bigger picture on the Blue
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  Jays is... Barger wasn't in the lineup at the
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  start of the year. He was in the minors. Davis
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  Schneider has been in and out. The Blue Jays
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  have a lot of homegrown talent and a lot of guys
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  that really stepped up and that they were able
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  to develop and bring up and play well for them.
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  I think gone are the days of having the most
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  expensive players on your team versus growth.
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  Because the games change dramatically. Absolutely.
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  Trainings change dramatically. Yes, it does become
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  talent over just filling in a spot. But coaching
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  matters so much. And I'm sorry, the Dodgers kind
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  of coach the Blue Jays. And that's why I always
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  get frustrated when they say the best team didn't
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  win. It's like, if you look at it, the coaching
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  staff put the Dodgers in a situation to even
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  come back. in Game 7 in the ninth inning. Absolutely.
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  Right? Yamamoto, who pitched on Game 6. He did.
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  Literally told his coach, I can go today. Pajas,
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  before the Ernie Clement almost walk -off win,
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  Pajas was made as a defensive substitution, and
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  he came in there and he made an incredible catch,
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  ran over Kiki Hernandez, which if that ball was
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  up to Kiki to catch, he's not getting that ball.
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  No. He's not getting that ball. And the Jays
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  win. But that's an incredible move where you
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  take, you say, hey, Tommy Edmonds had a bad knee,
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  a bad ankle, whatever lower body injury it was.
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  And you say, you know what? Right now we're tied.
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  They have a chance to win. We don't need to worry
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  about Tommy Edmonds' bat. We need to make sure
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  that we have somebody that is going to make a
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  play on the ball. And Pau has made that play
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  on the ball. Yes. Yes. That's how I view it.
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  I'm still devastated. I'm still heartbroken for
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  Toronto. I really hope that... they can maintain
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  this for next year. Like if it's a part two,
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  Dodgers versus Blue Jays, I would love that.
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  I think it would be very exciting. I think the
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  difference now is, is the Blue Jays have painted
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  that arrow on their back. Yes. Because the Dodgers,
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  they had to face it all season. Everyone wants
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  to bring their A game against the bright lights
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  of the LA Dodgers, against the New York Yankees,
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  teams like that. The Jays are a team that's very
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  often overlooked. And I think, This year they
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  showed that they're not a team to be overlooked.
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  And hopefully that momentum carries forward.
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  Yeah, man. Like, they have the blueprint right
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  now. If you can go from last to in the World
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  Series in one year, just imagine what next year
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  is going to bring to the Jays. Absolutely. Ticket
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  sales are going to go up in Toronto. Well, they
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  better. You know, with all of those renovations
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  they're making, they were going up anyway. Gone
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  are the days where you get a $20 ticket in the
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  Blue Jays. And then Sky or, well, you know what?
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  The first thing they really do need to do is
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  rename it back to the Sky Dome. I agree. I agree.
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  Like, it can be the Roger Sky Dome. Now, and
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  I might be wrong on this, but wasn't Sky Dome
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  a corporation? Like, that was just a sponsor,
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  like, also a sponsorship deal. I believe by Air
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  Canada. Okay, so that, I feel like that's what
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  it was, so. Maybe they can't go back to that
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  name for that reason. But how often have I said
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  to you, hey, man, I'm going to catch a Jays game.
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  I'm going to be at the Sky Dome. I feel like
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  I call it the Rogers Center. We live in London,
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  and we still call it the JLC. We don't call it
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  Canada Life Place. Yeah. Or what it was, Budweiser
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  Gardens. Bud Gardens. Bud Gardens, we didn't
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  call it. We called it the JLC. JLC, that's right.
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  The amount of memories that we got from that
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  stadium, I'm not going back to saying Canada
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  Life Place. It doesn't even flow right. It doesn't
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  sound right coming off the top. No. But. It is.
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  CLP, the clap. I might have to cut that one out.
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  But, yeah, man. So I'm looking forward to next
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  season in baseball. Should be good. Exciting
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  offseason. I'm sorry, I just do want to say one
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  more thing. As a Jays fan, what we need to do
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  next year for the... What we need to do as an
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  organization is we need to sign players early
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  in free agency. A lot of the last couple seasons,
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  the Blue Jays are normally signing guys that
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  have been trying to hold out for a long -term
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  deal to these one -year prove -it deals. Max
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  Scherzer, one -year $31 million deal just before
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  the end of training camp. Hoffman, I think, signed
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  a three -year deal, but it was also near the
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  end of training camp after he was trying to hold
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  out for something else. I might be wrong on Hoffman.
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  a couple years to when they had Chapman at third
• 21:36
  base, Marcus Simeon. Then these guys play one
• 21:40
  year, they make their however many million dollars
• 21:43
  and then go sign long -term deals. I think the
• 21:45
  Jays need to lock these players up. That's tough.
• 21:49
  But you hear the interviews from every single
• 21:51
  player, every single player, oh, I loved being
• 21:54
  part of this team, I loved this organization,
• 21:56
  one of the best experiences that I've ever had.
• 22:00
  And it actually does feel genuine. This isn't
• 22:04
  filler words. End of the year, oh, we worked
• 22:07
  hard, whatever. You just see that these guys
• 22:11
  were the power of friendship. They were a team
• 22:14
  that cared, that wanted everyone to succeed.
• 22:17
  You had Yassavage come up, and he's sitting on
• 22:19
  the bench with Scherzer in one ear, Bassett in
• 22:23
  the other, Gossman in the other. They're all
• 22:24
  supporting each other. You don't see that a lot
• 22:28
  because these guys are professionals. These guys
• 22:31
  are professionals and they, hey, how much do
• 22:33
  I tell this guy before I lose my job to him?
• 22:35
  And you didn't get that in Toronto. They wanted
• 22:36
  to win. They wanted to succeed. I think John
• 22:39
  Schneider said multiple times throughout the
• 22:41
  year, this is the first team I've ever coached
• 22:44
  minors or pros. that has never had a players
• 22:48
  -only meeting because of any struggles that happened
• 22:50
  throughout the meeting. They just went and they
• 22:52
  tried their best to execute. And it showed. So,
• 22:58
  honestly, I'm proud of the Blue Jays. I'm proud
• 23:02
  of the bandwagon fans who kept it together. Right.
• 23:07
  I'm proud of everyone in Canada joining in and
• 23:11
  trying to watch this and actually be hypeful.
• 23:15
  Like, it was a great display of, you know, what
• 23:19
  we are as a country. Yeah. And it was also great
• 23:23
  to see, like, even the states. Like, except for
• 23:26
  anyone in California, the whole states were voting
• 23:28
  for Kevin. They were cheering for us, yes. They
• 23:30
  absolutely were. And, obviously, you have Japan
• 23:34
  that's going for the Dodgers because they have
• 23:37
  their Michael Jordan in their eyes. But it's
• 23:42
  just, you know, it's sad. but I hope they build
• 23:45
  new fans moving forward that can continue, whether
• 23:49
  they're Blue Jays fans or they find another team
• 23:51
  that they really like or they just follow players.
• 23:53
  Absolutely. I think the amount of revenue that
• 23:56
  the MLB is about to make from today and moving
• 24:01
  forward, it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't
• 24:04
  for Canada versus the States. Well, the us versus
• 24:09
  them, the we, the nor. You do that, right? You
• 24:13
  make everyone feel special. It's true. It's true.
• 24:17
  Okay. Now, this podcast is a sports podcast,
• 24:22
  but it's kind of like a football podcast. So,
• 24:25
  like, it's great to talk about baseball. And,
• 24:28
  like, we'll see moving forward where we go in
• 24:30
  the future with Scott. And hopefully we'll get
• 24:32
  you more often. Absolutely. Because, like, the
• 24:35
  goal was originally we were talking about starting
• 24:37
  our own podcast. Yeah. Things are going to work
• 24:39
  out and so forth. And then Scott and I got this
• 24:41
  platform. And, no, it's great. So, like I said,
• 24:46
  come to Clubhouse. You can win a jersey. You
• 24:48
  can chat with us. I know there's some people
• 24:50
  posting right now in the chat. I'll check you
• 24:52
  guys out later and acknowledge you guys after.
• 24:56
  So I appreciate y 'all. But let's talk about
• 25:01
  some football right now. All right. I know a
• 25:03
  lot of people are hanging over sports, and it
• 25:06
  isn't what it is, but Ravens versus Dolphins.
• 25:09
  Thursday night football. Lamar's back. Finally.
• 25:13
  Lamar is back. And you know what? Derrick Henry's
• 25:17
  back, too. Derrick Henry was back last week,
• 25:20
  though. I think he's had flashes. He had flashes.
• 25:25
  But two consecutive weeks, 100 -plus yards, absolutely.
• 25:28
  And I don't remember two weeks ago, but he didn't
• 25:32
  put the ball on the ground. Correct. No fumbles.
• 25:35
  Great. Good to see him back. They needed to buy.
• 25:39
  They definitely did. They needed to relax. They
• 25:42
  needed to focus on their game and get healthy.
• 25:44
  Yes. And it's against the Dolphins. Like, that
• 25:51
  is the most dysfunctional organization in the
• 25:54
  league right now. next to the Cleveland Browns.
• 25:57
  I would even say, as of right now, they're probably
• 26:00
  a little bit more dysfunctional than the Cleveland
• 26:01
  Browns. Yeah, that's true. The Cleveland Browns
• 26:04
  made mistakes that they're trying to make up
• 26:06
  for right now, and they've handcuffed themselves,
• 26:09
  whereas you just have no idea what's happening
• 26:11
  in Miami. Yeah, because they just fired their
• 26:16
  GM. They fired their GM, which Mike McDaniels
• 26:20
  was confirmed that he's staying for the rest
• 26:22
  of the season, which is actually a smart move
• 26:25
  by their new GM. Because the worst thing that
• 26:29
  I think can happen to this to this Miami team
• 26:31
  is you fire Mike McDaniels. You bring in an interim
• 26:35
  head coach. The team wins three or four games.
• 26:38
  And this head coach isn't the guy for the team.
• 26:41
  But you say, hey, you know what? We want four
• 26:44
  out of eight games with him. Imagine what we
• 26:46
  can do if we gave him an offseason. So let McDaniels
• 26:50
  stay there. McDaniels, I already told you, I
• 26:52
  think he's going to be an offensive coordinator
• 26:54
  somewhere. Some guys are built to be offensive
• 26:57
  coordinators instead of head coaches. And I think
• 27:01
  McDaniels will get let go at the end of the year,
• 27:03
  and then they will have a proper coaching search
• 27:05
  rather than just banking on an interim and then
• 27:09
  having to deal with the inside influences. Put
• 27:12
  yourself in that situation. You're the GM right
• 27:14
  now. So you would say you keep McDaniels. What
• 27:18
  about Tua? Tua's got how many years left on his
• 27:22
  contract? I want you to say three. I believe
• 27:25
  it's three as well. I keep Tua. Who replaces
• 27:30
  Tua? Who do you have? Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson's
• 27:34
  on your bench right now. Understandable. So you
• 27:36
  can turn around and you start giving Zach Wilson
• 27:39
  more reps. Why not? Right? You turn around and
• 27:43
  then you try to trade Tua. But I've been a big
• 27:45
  believer in don't replace something just because
• 27:50
  your thing isn't the best, unless you already
• 27:52
  have. You know, you have Zach Wilson there. And
• 27:56
  I get the trend, oh, Zach Wilson was a first
• 27:59
  -round pick quarterback, went and struggled as
• 28:02
  a rookie and a second -year player, and now he's
• 28:04
  a backup somewhere, and everyone believes that
• 28:06
  he's going to be a Geno Smith, a Sam Darnold,
• 28:09
  those kind of guys. It's few and far between.
• 28:14
  I get you, but when I look at it, I see put Zach
• 28:20
  Wilson in right now because you're not going
• 28:23
  to risk injuring Tua. Tua is your franchise quarterback
• 28:27
  for right now. Let him rest. Let him focus on
• 28:32
  other things right now because him on the field
• 28:34
  is still not going to be a benefit to the team,
• 28:37
  especially whenever he goes on the presser. is
• 28:41
  when they lose and he's talking negative about
• 28:43
  the team. So he's already showed that he doesn't
• 28:45
  have the leadership. I don't know if it's that
• 28:47
  he doesn't have the leadership as much as it's
• 28:50
  the team doesn't have the mentality for accountability.
• 28:55
  Look at Vic Fangio. He's as tough as they come.
• 28:58
  He was a defensive coordinator there and everyone's
• 29:01
  like, oh, he'll provide that structure, that
• 29:02
  discipline that this team's been lacking. And
• 29:06
  then it circles back to Mike McDaniels. Mike
• 29:08
  McDaniels has not been able. to have any control
• 29:12
  over this team. And Vic Fangio ended up leaving,
• 29:14
  went to your Philadelphia Eagles, and what did
• 29:18
  he do? Made them the number one defense in the
• 29:20
  league. Yeah. Right? And everyone said, oh, no,
• 29:24
  Vic Fangio was the problem in Miami. No, Vic
• 29:26
  Fangio believed in discipline and in accountability
• 29:30
  in a market in Miami where discipline and accountability
• 29:35
  are the furthest things. There's too much destruction
• 29:37
  going on there. Yeah. But, I don't know. Like,
• 29:44
  if I was a GM, Mike McDaniels would actually
• 29:47
  be fired. I would know that if I get an intern
• 29:49
  coach, it's not permanent and I'm not holding
• 29:52
  any weight. I'll let them apply and tell me their
• 29:55
  game plan. The problem with that is that as much
• 29:59
  as everyone likes to think the GM's making these
• 30:01
  decisions, it comes down to ownership. It's because
• 30:04
  of who they have to pay. And Miami's ownership.
• 30:06
  is a conglomerate of about 40 different celebrities.
• 30:10
  Yes, it is. So everyone's going to want to say
• 30:13
  something, and that's where a problem comes in,
• 30:15
  is you need somebody to come in there and just
• 30:18
  absolute authority. If that's the case, I don't
• 30:20
  know why that UGM just traded Phillips over to
• 30:24
  us Eagles. It made our team a little bit better
• 30:28
  on defense. Absolutely made you guys a hell of
• 30:30
  a lot better. And you know what? I know we're
• 30:33
  not talking Eagles right now, but I do want to
• 30:34
  say this. Howie Roseman is a genius. You pick
• 30:38
  up Phillips as a pass rushing specialist defensive
• 30:42
  end. He's on the last year of his contract. You
• 30:45
  traded your third round pick for him. Phillips
• 30:48
  is expected to get somewhere 15 plus million
• 30:51
  dollars. So if the Eagles aren't able to re -sign
• 30:54
  him at a team friendly deal. Do you know what
• 30:56
  they get back if he signs for over $15 million?
• 30:59
  We get a fourth back, don't we? A third -round
• 31:01
  compensatory pick, possibly a fourth. So he literally
• 31:04
  traded nothing for a player. That is going to
• 31:09
  help them make a Super Bowl push. Yep. Incredible.
• 31:12
  That's just incredible. And how we trust. Right?
• 31:18
  He always finds a way to make it work. Like,
• 31:21
  a few weeks ago, there was an NBA investigation.
• 31:24
  I don't know. FBI might be investigating the
• 31:27
  Eagles and Howie Roseman soon because this man
• 31:30
  pulls the most craziest trades. Absolutely. But,
• 31:35
  hey, we still have until tomorrow, right? That's
• 31:38
  right. So we'll see if there's anything else.
• 31:41
  But, yeah. All right. Next game, 49ers versus
• 31:45
  the Giants. 34 -24 for the 49ers. All right.
• 31:50
  This was one game I wasn't able to watch. But
• 31:54
  just based on my fantasy football scores, Christian
• 31:57
  McCaffrey went off again. He finally got to play.
• 32:00
  Mac Jones looked, seemed great. Like I said,
• 32:05
  I didn't watch the game, so I can't speak much
• 32:06
  to it. So I'll let you carry the conversation
• 32:08
  on this one. I'll put in my two cents. I was
• 32:11
  kind of hoping more from the Giants, especially
• 32:13
  when Skadaboo wasn't there. I think Skadaboo.
• 32:19
  based on that he's he was the energy he was uh
• 32:22
  well no it was like the combination of scataboo
• 32:25
  and dart yes you have to have the well jackson
• 32:28
  dart was the talent yes jackson dart was the
• 32:30
  talent yeah scataboo is was uh you know he was
• 32:36
  he was yeah just a firecracker you went in there
• 32:39
  and you it didn't matter if he was going to go
• 32:42
  and gain a yard or 100 yards on carry he was
• 32:46
  going to just make you want to pay attention
• 32:49
  to what was happening. Like I said, I didn't
• 32:52
  watch the game, so I don't know if they played
• 32:53
  flat, if it was just a lot of mistakes or what
• 32:56
  happened with their offense. San Francisco, though,
• 32:59
  injuries again. I heard they lost another defensive
• 33:01
  player. That's just Frankenstein. It's a Frankenstein
• 33:06
  team. It's plug and play right now. It's what
• 33:08
  Detroit was last year. Really? I think when you
• 33:11
  look at it, For the Giants, I don't think they
• 33:17
  realize how well the fans travel for the 49ers.
• 33:22
  And I think for them being at home and hearing
• 33:27
  the fans cheering for the 49ers got into their
• 33:30
  skin and got into their psyche. And that's why
• 33:33
  Jackson Dark didn't perform at the same rate
• 33:35
  that we're used to. Okay. So when you look at
• 33:39
  it from that view, it just kind of changes. Like,
• 33:44
  you're at home. Whoa, whoa, why your fans louder
• 33:47
  than my fans and I'm at home? So that could have
• 33:50
  been a little bit, and he doesn't have, like,
• 33:52
  that energy with Scottie Boo because there's
• 33:54
  no other running back in New York. He's not the
• 33:57
  same, though. He was great last year with Damian
• 34:01
  Dimes, but this year he doesn't give that spark.
• 34:06
  He doesn't have that energy. And you need someone
• 34:10
  to match your energy to be successful, whether
• 34:13
  it's life or on the field. Okay. All right. Yeah.
• 34:17
  All right. We'll move forward. Chargers versus
• 34:21
  the Titans. Oh, man. Injuries again. Oh, my goodness.
• 34:27
  These California teams, I tell you. These California
• 34:30
  teams. If you are betting for the rest of the
• 34:33
  year on the Chargers, just bet against the Chargers.
• 34:38
  the offense doesn't work i don't know i think
• 34:40
  i think they're they're still a sneaky dark horse
• 34:45
  team for me like yes their o -line is devastated
• 34:47
  they they have a lot of injuries on that roster
• 34:51
  but they got vidal stepped up Second year running
• 34:57
  back. Hampton is coming back after their bye
• 34:59
  week in week 12. Yep. Quinton Johnson, who's
• 35:02
  been known for dropping footballs, has decided
• 35:05
  that he wants to catch them balls. Except for
• 35:07
  last week where he didn't. If you're a fantasy
• 35:09
  fan. Yes. Big zero. Big zero. But this week he
• 35:13
  got 19 fantasy points. So it's down. Yeah. He's
• 35:17
  there. They have the tight end, rookie tight
• 35:20
  end. Yep. Who stepped in there as well. Keenan
• 35:25
  Allen, Ladd McConkey, that offense is there.
• 35:28
  I feel I have Justin Herbert on multiple fantasy
• 35:33
  teams. He's averaging like 70 rushing yards per
• 35:36
  game, throwing for over 200. He's doing the most.
• 35:39
  That offense is there. That defense is very consistent
• 35:42
  as well. True. I just, I think that's... That's
• 35:47
  a sign of a well -coached team. Yes. I think
• 35:50
  Harbaugh's done a great job with the team there,
• 35:52
  and he's just kept them going. And I think it's
• 35:57
  a tough division with the Chiefs, the Broncos,
• 36:01
  and yes, the Raiders are there, but they're not
• 36:05
  there. They're not there. But that division,
• 36:08
  I wouldn't be surprised if... Those three mentioned
• 36:14
  teams outside of the Raiders all make the playoffs.
• 36:18
  Chargers are not. I think they will. The injuries
• 36:21
  are too impactful for them. Their injuries are
• 36:25
  affecting their leaders. And unfortunately, like
• 36:29
  that team, to win, you have to have your leaders
• 36:32
  available on the field, not off the field. And
• 36:36
  Joel just went for a season -ending surgery.
• 36:38
  Yes. I understand what you're saying, but the
• 36:42
  Chargers are running almost the West Coast offense,
• 36:47
  where it's quick throws, and they're making it
• 36:49
  work for them. And I'm going to ride with the
• 36:52
  Chargers until they prove to me that they can't
• 36:55
  do it. That's fine. I'm not judging you too much.
• 37:00
  All right. The shocker this week was... Obviously,
• 37:04
  divisional game. Yeah, divisional game. Vikings
• 37:08
  versus the Lions. The Lions go down. So, like,
• 37:14
  what? That's crazy. That was a crazy game. J
• 37:18
  .J. shows up. J .J. McCarthy. I think, and I
• 37:25
  was giving the organization flag for McCarthy
• 37:29
  being healthy and coming back and them rolling
• 37:32
  with Carson Wentz. Especially an injured Carson
• 37:34
  Wentz. And unfortunately, it took Carson Wentz
• 37:37
  having a season -ending injury. There's so many
• 37:39
  season -ending injuries this year. If you're
• 37:42
  betting on football or doing fantasy football,
• 37:44
  this is the worst year. It's been terrible. The
• 37:46
  amount of injuries has increased dramatically
• 37:48
  this year compared to past years. And the rookies
• 37:52
  aren't even stepping up to fill in those spots.
• 37:54
  No, it really has been. Because they're also
• 37:56
  getting injured too. Absolutely. Way too many
• 37:59
  injuries. But I must say, I'm very... J .G. McCarthy
• 38:04
  stepped in there, had that key third down conversion
• 38:06
  to seal the game. But this game, surprisingly,
• 38:12
  was won and lost on special teams. Minnesota's
• 38:15
  special teams were incredible this week. I feel
• 38:20
  terrible for forgetting his name. But that punt
• 38:24
  returner, kick returner they had. Continue. He's
• 38:29
  going to be special. He's going to be special.
• 38:31
  He was flipping the field. 15 -plus yards on
• 38:35
  returns. It just looked great. Really good. And
• 38:39
  that's the difference it makes is you're flipping
• 38:42
  field position. You're not going to score on
• 38:43
  every possession, but if you're, instead of starting
• 38:46
  inside your own 20, starting at the 35 -40, you're
• 38:50
  making it a lot harder for the other team to
• 38:52
  score on you, getting it back. Man, yeah. I don't
• 38:57
  know how the Lions do, though. I think that's...
• 39:00
  Now, every team has, like, that bad game. But
• 39:05
  it's also a divisional game. You draft a team
• 39:09
  to win in your division first. And look at Justin
• 39:14
  Jefferson against them. It's still a beat -up
• 39:17
  Detroit Lions defense. Yes, it is. Justin Jefferson
• 39:20
  is a big dude. He's able to get open. Hawkinson,
• 39:23
  I don't think he had much of a performance, but
• 39:25
  he's... Oh, Hawkinson showed up. Did he show
• 39:28
  up? He showed up this game. Like, I think it
• 39:30
  was two touchdowns, if I remember correctly.
• 39:33
  Like, he showed up. Okay. Like, this was a team
• 39:37
  by the Vikings. This was, like, one of those
• 39:39
  games where, like, you know how we say when a
• 39:42
  rookie quarterback goes in halfway through the
• 39:46
  season and you get to see their greatness? Yeah.
• 39:50
  JJ needed to sit on the bench a little bit longer
• 39:52
  and play halfway through the season to get that
• 39:55
  spark and not start the season and look back.
• 39:59
  Which he did, but he also was trying to play
• 40:01
  through an injury. Fair, but still. His first
• 40:06
  game, he was not reading the ball at all. He
• 40:08
  couldn't read the defense. Now he has more game
• 40:11
  experience. He sees how fast the game is actually
• 40:13
  going. It's funny because even though he's a
• 40:16
  second -year player... blowing out his knee last
• 40:18
  year. This really is a true rookie season for
• 40:23
  him. Yeah. Remember when we were talking about
• 40:25
  Trey Lance's one year away? He's a year away
• 40:29
  from being a year away. JJ was literally a year
• 40:30
  away. I still can't believe he's in the NFL.
• 40:34
  Oh, not for long. Falcons versus the Patriots,
• 40:39
  23 -24. Now, for you guys who don't know, this
• 40:44
  man, he's a Patriots fan. Are you actually still
• 40:47
  a Patriots fan, though? I am a Patriots fan.
• 40:49
  Okay. Through and through, big NFL guy as well
• 40:52
  in general, but I am a Patriots fan. I was very
• 40:54
  excited when we hired Mike Rabel. I don't understand
• 40:57
  what Travion Henderson is doing that the team
• 40:59
  doesn't want to use him. It's just crazy, but...
• 41:04
  The development of Drake May, Will Campbell at
• 41:07
  left tackle, the teams coming together, all of
• 41:11
  the defensive signings we made in free agency,
• 41:14
  and then controversy from this game as well with
• 41:18
  the clap gate. Have you heard about that? No.
• 41:20
  Oh, okay. So I guess in the later stages of the
• 41:24
  game, according to what players are saying on
• 41:27
  the Atlanta Falcons, Patriots defensive players
• 41:30
  were trying to simulate the clap that Michael
• 41:33
  Penix was doing. to get the ball center heard
• 41:37
  the clap snapped the ball intentional grounding
• 41:40
  penalty and then they had to punt the ball away
• 41:43
  two plays later it's the mental i i don't i don't
• 41:47
  know like that it is a penalty i i think it's
• 41:53
  uh i saw i saw a meme and it made me laugh because
• 41:57
  it said the patriots are accused of cheating
• 41:59
  you now know they're back so we're back baby
• 42:04
  We're still first in the division, too. That's
• 42:05
  fair. That's fair. No, that was pretty sweet.
• 42:08
  That was pretty... Okay. Michael Penix. Yes.
• 42:14
  And Drake London. Oh, my goodness. Three TD touchdowns.
• 42:20
  Like, Kyle Pitts is playing great. He actually
• 42:23
  can catch the ball now, which makes him coverable
• 42:28
  now. Yes. You have to respect him now. But to
• 42:30
  allow Drake London to get three touchdowns? Oh,
• 42:34
  but they were athletic plays. Yeah! It wasn't,
• 42:38
  he wasn't schemed open. He literally made the
• 42:45
  play. He just wanted it more than the defense.
• 42:47
  Sure, sure. Man. But Patriots are back. We're
• 42:52
  back. Cheaters and all. All right, this next
• 42:58
  game, though, was a heartbreaker. Colts versus
• 43:01
  the Steelers. I was really hoping for the Colts
• 43:05
  to win this. I did not see that coming. And going
• 43:09
  into this week, I was saying that Jonathan Taylor
• 43:13
  will probably be MVP. Still can be. After this
• 43:20
  game, everyone's going to look at it and say,
• 43:22
  hey, you know what? Is he though? And it's going
• 43:25
  to go back to a quarterback. But Jonathan Taylor,
• 43:29
  in my opinion, was making such an MVP case. First
• 43:32
  non -quarterback since Adrian Peterson. Yep.
• 43:36
  And I thought he was flat. Six turnovers, was
• 43:40
  it, by the Colts? Yeah. Just a lot of mistakes
• 43:46
  that aren't typical of Colts football. Mind you,
• 43:51
  this was only the second game that the Colts
• 43:52
  have played outside of a dome this season as
• 43:55
  well. Could this be a Peyton Manning Colts type
• 43:59
  thing where they can only play in warm weather
• 44:02
  and domes? Heard here first. If you're betting,
• 44:07
  take that into consideration. Absolutely. But
• 44:11
  Steelers needed this game more than the Colts
• 44:14
  did. They did. They did, especially after that
• 44:16
  tough Thursday night loss that they had against
• 44:20
  the Bengals. Right? They definitely needed this
• 44:23
  way more. I love their version of the tush -push
• 44:27
  because it's so bad. Like, everyone's up there
• 44:33
  and then Rodgers is 10 feet back. He's just hanging
• 44:34
  out. Like a train conductor. That's exactly it.
• 44:38
  It is bad, but I respect it. So, hold on. I don't
• 44:50
  know if you're ready to move on yet or not. Is
• 44:52
  the Steelers' defense back? No. No, that's a
• 44:55
  one -off? You think that's a one -off? That's
• 44:57
  a one -off. That's 100 % a one -off. I don't
• 44:58
  know. J .J. J .J. T .J. Watt. T .J. Watt looked
• 45:02
  real good. Yeah, but where's he been for the
• 45:05
  past two weeks? T .J. Watt has probably faced
• 45:08
  the best offensive line this week than he has
• 45:11
  all season. And he went off. Maybe he wanted
• 45:18
  it more. I won't be able to say anything until
• 45:20
  next week. We'll see. Personally, I won't be
• 45:23
  able to. But we'll see. We'll see. I think their
• 45:28
  defense is back. I think another change that
• 45:31
  the Steelers made was Jalen Ramsey played free
• 45:34
  safety. Ah, that's huge. That's huge. That changes
• 45:39
  it. Right? And then they brought in Kyle Duggar
• 45:42
  from the Patriots. They made a couple of trades
• 45:45
  as well. I think we're going to see a lot of
• 45:50
  changes coming back. in Pittsburgh on the defensive
• 45:53
  side, and it might save Tomlin's job. Because
• 45:57
  if Tomlin gets a wildcard spot, which I don't
• 45:59
  think they will, they either have to win that
• 46:01
  division or they're out. If Tomlin doesn't win
• 46:04
  that division and doesn't make a playoff run,
• 46:06
  I think he's a coach on the hot seat. Okay. How
• 46:14
  many 10 -win games can you have? Okay, okay.
• 46:17
  Sorry, what? How many 10 -win seasons can you
• 46:19
  have? That's not necessarily a bad thing, though.
• 46:26
  I feel like they're stuck in limbo in that sense.
• 46:30
  It's like the Toronto Maple Leafs. Don't go and
• 46:35
  start with the Leafs. The Pittsburgh Steelers
• 46:37
  are just like the Toronto Maple Leafs. They're
• 46:38
  going to do just enough to get into the playoffs
• 46:40
  and then lose in the first or second round. How
• 46:43
  long do you want to deal with that for? How long
• 46:45
  before you've got to shake it up and say, hey,
• 46:47
  you know what? We need to change because we do
• 46:50
  have... talent that's able to compete and for
• 46:53
  a Super Bowl. But on the biggest stage, we choke.
• 47:00
  Mike Tomlin hasn't won on a short week against
• 47:04
  a divisional opponent since he's been head coach.
• 47:07
  I believe he's 0 -7 or 0 -8. And you're built
• 47:13
  to win within your own division. Yes. That's
• 47:16
  the point. Yeah. Ah. Ah. Uh -oh. We're good.
• 47:23
  I don't know, man. Like, Tomlin's not in the
• 47:25
  hot seat due to the fact that they still don't
• 47:29
  have a quarterback for the future. Like, it really
• 47:35
  is plug and play. They signed Aaron Rodgers because
• 47:39
  they think he's the quarterback that can bring
• 47:42
  him to the Super Bowl. And if they didn't think
• 47:45
  that Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback to bring
• 47:46
  him to a Super Bowl, then why wouldn't they just
• 47:50
  go with a young guy and have him learn and develop?
• 47:53
  Why wouldn't they decide that they wanted to
• 47:55
  keep Justin Fields and let him develop? They
• 48:00
  said, hey, we have a defense that's ready to
• 48:02
  win now. We have a quarterback. who can manage
• 48:05
  a game so we can win now. True, true. And they're
• 48:09
  winning now. And it's fun to watch them right
• 48:17
  now. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happens
• 48:22
  moving forward. I'm looking forward to it. To
• 48:27
  all the Steeler fans out there, this is probably
• 48:30
  your best year to win it. I still put all my
• 48:32
  money on Green Bay. I can't even say that. Beginning
• 48:36
  of the season, I thought Green Bay was winning
• 48:38
  it all. I can't even say that anymore. Are we
• 48:43
  talking about Green Bay next? Well, no. Technically,
• 48:45
  the next game we have to talk about is the Broncos
• 48:47
  versus the Texans. Broncos versus Texans. C .J.
• 48:50
  Straub, too bad for him. Too bad. I think the
• 48:53
  Texans could have won that game if he had managed
• 48:56
  to play the whole game. I will say this. Okay,
• 49:00
  so I was talking to my buddy Martin. who's a
• 49:02
  huge Broncos fan, that the Broncos are the best
• 49:05
  team in the league. Due to the fact they play
• 49:10
  to the strengths of the team they're playing
• 49:13
  against. So if they're playing the top team,
• 49:15
  they'll play top tier. If they're playing the
• 49:18
  worst team, they match that team. They match
• 49:20
  the energy, which is horrible. But they still
• 49:27
  get the job done for the most part. They match
• 49:29
  energy on offense. I think Bo Nix, you have a
• 49:32
  very young offense. Yes. You have a very young
• 49:34
  offense, and they match to the energy of their
• 49:36
  competition. They have not learned to put on
• 49:39
  the pedal and keep it there. What their defense
• 49:42
  does is make sure that they don't lose games
• 49:45
  that they're not supposed to. That's fair. I
• 49:47
  don't know if they're statistically the best
• 49:51
  defense in the league. But they have one of the
• 49:54
  best defenses in the NFL right now. They're a
• 49:56
  defense that is constantly getting slept on.
• 49:59
  And I think part of the reason why they're slept
• 50:01
  on so much is that they're a no -name defense
• 50:07
  in a sense. Yes, you have Sertan. Yeah, Patrick
• 50:10
  Sertan. And you have, I'm going to butcher his
• 50:12
  name, the linebacker on the outside. I can't
• 50:15
  pronounce it. Yeah. So you have those two guys
• 50:17
  who are stars and they're coming up. Outside
• 50:21
  of that, they're just a team that works hard
• 50:23
  and is able to beat you in many different ways.
• 50:25
  True, true. And they make you make mistakes.
• 50:28
  Man, I'm going to be honest. This chat is going
• 50:30
  off, and I think I need to address it. All right,
• 50:33
  give me a second. All right. You've got to find
• 50:47
  a way to get that chat on your tablet. Yeah,
• 50:50
  I know. So going back to a few things is the
• 50:57
  only other World Series that would have been
• 50:59
  as good as the Jays was the Yankees versus the
• 51:04
  Diamondbacks. Vikings are the best. A patch fan.
• 51:09
  Hold on. Like Yankees and Diamondbacks back in
• 51:11
  like 1997, 98? Is that the one that they're talking
• 51:17
  about? Yeah, I don't know if they've ever there's
• 51:20
  ever been another Yankees Diamondbacks World
• 51:22
  Series We might have to fight check that after
• 51:26
  Okay So now I gotta work on getting in that shot
• 51:35
  on this iPad so we can adjust them sooner Checking
• 51:40
  right now. I need I need to double check. It
• 51:42
  was 2001. Okay, and that was also a game seven
• 51:46
  world series diamondbacks one ah okay that was
• 51:51
  before the new stadium that was the old city
• 51:54
  okay yeah perfect um okay we're almost at the
• 52:02
  one o 'clock games i know you guys want us to
• 52:03
  get to the commander's game but and we can speed
• 52:08
  things up a little bit bears versus the bangles
• 52:10
  man okay okay okay Chat, hold off for a bit.
• 52:18
  The Bengals dropped 42 points and lost the game.
• 52:24
  The Bengals dropped 42 and lost the game. To
• 52:30
  the Bears with a Caleb Williams who, I'm sorry.
• 52:38
  They made Caleb Williams look like an MVP. If
• 52:43
  Caleb Williams looks at the game tape, he's going
• 52:46
  to be like, I am the greatest quarterback that
• 52:48
  ever lived. And if you were a Bengals fan, I
• 52:53
  know my other co -host is a huge Bengals fan.
• 52:56
  Terry, if you're listening or watching. I'm sorry,
• 52:59
  Terry. Did you know that the Bengals are the
• 53:02
  first team in the history of the NFL? This is
• 53:05
  a league over 100 years old. to lose two consecutive
• 53:09
  games and scoring 38 or more points in those
• 53:12
  games. If I'm in the GM of the Bengals right
• 53:16
  now, defensive coordinator's gone. Zach Taylor's
• 53:22
  gone. Zach Taylor, he's been on the hot seat
• 53:25
  for me. He should have been fired last year.
• 53:27
  There is no excuse. Now, we could talk about
• 53:31
  Chase Brown. If he didn't do the flip that got
• 53:35
  into the end or get out of bounds, That's semantics.
• 53:39
  That is, you know, I am going to say something
• 53:42
  on that. Because when I talked to Scott and Scott
• 53:44
  said, oh, he shouldn't have gone out of bounds
• 53:47
  and we could have scored with zero seconds left.
• 53:50
  That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because
• 53:53
  what would have happened if they didn't score
• 53:54
  with zero seconds left? He made a football play.
• 53:57
  He ended up out of bounds. The clock stopped.
• 53:59
  He scored a touchdown. In what league do you
• 54:02
  have a team travel? The Bears go 80 yards or
• 54:07
  75 yards now with the new kickoff rules and score
• 54:10
  with less than a minute left. You're just trying
• 54:14
  to put blame on the offense to take away from
• 54:16
  how terrible this defense is. It's almost like
• 54:19
  the Blue Jays game trying to find, they're trying
• 54:21
  to find, like right now the Blue Jays fans and
• 54:25
  the Bengals fans are one and the like. No, I
• 54:27
  disagree. I wholeheartedly disagree with that
• 54:31
  statement. I think. Like, Bengals fans, they're
• 54:36
  heartbroken, my apologies, for what just happened.
• 54:41
  I'm not, though. That's the norm. That's the
• 54:45
  expectation. That is Cincinnati. Look at last
• 54:48
  year. Look at last year. Their defense let them
• 54:51
  down. And what change did they make? Oh, we got
• 54:52
  a first -round pick. Their first -round pick.
• 54:56
  Haldolf. Who has no sacks. And four tackles.
• 55:02
  Almost halfway through a full season of play.
• 55:04
  This man held out. Mind you, it was more the
• 55:07
  wording of the contract. The contract dispute.
• 55:10
  And everyone's like, oh, he's going to be our
• 55:12
  difference maker. Trey Hendrickson held out.
• 55:16
  He's going to be a difference maker. This defense
• 55:20
  is not built to play well. And Zach Taylor, as
• 55:25
  a head coach, is a liability. I blame Zach Taylor
• 55:30
  and his offensive schemes for why Joe Burrow
• 55:32
  has been hurt so often. I 100 % agree with that
• 55:34
  statement. And it's sad. And I feel for Bengal
• 55:40
  fans. I do too. I do too. Because there's no
• 55:44
  excuse. But on the plus side now, you're really...
• 55:49
  Sorry, not on the plus side. On the other side
• 55:51
  of the coin, you're really starting to see the
• 55:54
  creativity of Ben Johnson coming out. and what
• 55:57
  he's able to do with the talent that he has around
• 55:59
  him in Chicago. It's because he's unraveling
• 56:05
  the layers of Caleb Williams and not allowing
• 56:08
  Caleb Williams to have those responsibilities
• 56:10
  or those choices. And he's literally telling
• 56:12
  him, do this, do this, do this. But it's bringing,
• 56:16
  circling back to earlier conversation, what teams
• 56:19
  don't have. He has brought accountability to
• 56:22
  the Chicago Bears. Caleb Williams. doesn't get
• 56:26
  to walk into practice late anymore. Caleb Williams
• 56:28
  doesn't decide that he's going to do whatever
• 56:31
  he wants. There's been multiple instances where
• 56:35
  Caleb Williams has been asked to leave practice,
• 56:37
  has gotten in shit from the team for his behaviors.
• 56:43
  And you can see there's an attitude change that
• 56:45
  is starting to happen in Chicago. Two degree,
• 56:49
  two degree. You still see spurts of it on the
• 56:51
  field, though. Of course, it's going to take
• 56:53
  time. The moment that he has to make a decision,
• 56:56
  it's clear as day. It's like, oh, he's going
• 56:59
  off script. Well, Caleb Williams has to unlearn
• 57:02
  what he was taught last year and now learn what
• 57:06
  Ben Johnson has to teach him. Well, and I was
• 57:09
  saying this last week, is that Caleb Williams
• 57:11
  was great until he won a Heisman. After winning
• 57:15
  a Heisman, His ego got too big for his own good,
• 57:18
  and I think it kind of ruined his career. I'm
• 57:22
  still waiting to see how this year unfolds and
• 57:25
  if he matures. So define maturity for Caleb Williams.
• 57:29
  What would make you jump on board that Caleb
• 57:31
  Williams is a talent that can keep playing and
• 57:35
  is worthy of being a starting quarterback in
• 57:37
  the NFL? I believe, especially if you're going
• 57:40
  to be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears, I
• 57:43
  need to see your maturity and how you become
• 57:44
  a leader. how you become a force and how you
• 57:47
  communicate across the board and not play game
• 57:50
  or not play play the brain game but actually
• 57:55
  grow and and we see a difference in his play
• 58:00
  style next year or the year after and people
• 58:04
  look to him as a leader or look to him as like
• 58:06
  oh if i'm holding back and i'm not doing well
• 58:10
  i know caleb williams is going to pick up that
• 58:12
  slack and make me that elite And not necessarily,
• 58:16
  he doesn't have to be a leader. He has to make
• 58:18
  his team look good. Okay. Right? And right now,
• 58:21
  I don't see Caleb Williams making his team look
• 58:24
  good, but his team holding up and making him
• 58:27
  look good. Especially like Roman Duse didn't
• 58:30
  do anything last game, right? Well, you got Caleb
• 58:34
  Williams was targeted twice in pass attempts
• 58:37
  during that game. Odunze was targeted three times.
• 58:41
  Now, Odunze did have the drop. Yep. But I also
• 58:44
  feel that given the situation that the game script
• 58:49
  was in, is you had a running back who got over
• 58:53
  130 yards. Cole Komet, I believe, had a touchdown
• 58:57
  reception. Colston Loveland had, like, the interior
• 59:01
  guys were really feasting. That's fair. That's
• 59:04
  fair. All right. Guys, we're finally at the 4
• 59:10
  o 'clock. Panthers versus the Packers. Wow. I
• 59:16
  did not see that coming. No one did. It was incredible.
• 59:21
  But I think what made the game so much more special
• 59:25
  was that Bryce Young only had 100 yards passing
• 59:30
  in that game. That was a defensive game. And
• 59:34
  it was a weather game. And I can't believe I'm
• 59:41
  going to say this. The fact that Carolina won
• 59:44
  that coin toss to start the game and they elected
• 59:48
  to receive and then received with the wind at
• 59:51
  their back. So what some people don't understand
• 59:54
  is just because you elect to receive doesn't
• 59:57
  mean that you automatically kick off to start
• 59:59
  the second half. The ref then goes to the opposing
• 1:00:02
  team after halftime and says, would you like
• 1:00:05
  to kick or receive? The Packers then chose to
• 1:00:08
  receive. And then the coach turns around and
• 1:00:11
  says, great, we're now going to make sure that
• 1:00:13
  we have the wind at our back in the fourth quarter.
• 1:00:16
  Like, what a genius. It's the small things like
• 1:00:20
  that that make a difference in a football game.
• 1:00:23
  Because Carolina was a 10 .5 -point underdog.
• 1:00:29
  They won on a last -second field goal with a
• 1:00:33
  20 -mile -an -hour wind at their back. They believed
• 1:00:37
  in the kicker. They had a game plan. And that's
• 1:00:41
  the other thing is each team gets... Carolina
• 1:00:45
  did a good job of taking away possessions through
• 1:00:49
  clock management from Green Bay. From Green Bay.
• 1:00:53
  Green Bay, they have... You want to talk about
• 1:00:57
  a team that plays to the level of competition?
• 1:01:00
  Green Bay's offense. Green Bay's offense. No,
• 1:01:03
  no, okay. You can't get mad at your defense for
• 1:01:07
  giving up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:01:09
  This is what I'll say. And you have to be...
• 1:01:12
  Since Green Bay was able to get Micah Parsons,
• 1:01:16
  allowed the offense to allow Jordan Love to do
• 1:01:24
  all the risky things that he wants to do. But
• 1:01:28
  it has also shown that Jordan Love is not as
• 1:01:32
  elite as people thought he was. Yeah. He makes
• 1:01:36
  a lot of mistakes, especially right now. This
• 1:01:39
  season, you see him make tons of mistakes. Last
• 1:01:41
  year, we saw it when the defense couldn't necessarily
• 1:01:44
  help him out. Now he has the defense to do that.
• 1:01:49
  So is this Jordan Love's fault or is this LeFleur's
• 1:01:52
  fault? It's a mix of LeFleur. But like I'm talking
• 1:01:55
  about Caleb Williams, Jordan Love needs to do
• 1:01:57
  the exact same thing. Absolutely. He needs to
• 1:01:59
  elevate himself right now because you have the
• 1:02:02
  defense to bail you out. All you have to do is
• 1:02:05
  help the defense out. And this is a clear example
• 1:02:08
  of what I'm saying. It's just like some of these
• 1:02:11
  rookie quarterbacks or these young quarterbacks
• 1:02:13
  or people who are in great situations, trust
• 1:02:17
  your teammates, trust your coach. Because we
• 1:02:21
  can see it as fans that you're just hucking it
• 1:02:25
  up there and making a wish. This is not the movies.
• 1:02:28
  This is real life. You're playing against other
• 1:02:30
  professionals who will call you on your boat.
• 1:02:33
  Yep. And that's my point of view. If you have
• 1:02:39
  anything to add on that? No, no. All right. Saints
• 1:02:42
  and the Rams, 10 -34. The Saints had the ball
• 1:02:47
  for 16 minutes. They brought in Tyler Shaw, and
• 1:02:52
  I got asked by a couple of people, what did you
• 1:02:56
  think of Tyler Shaw? today well yesterday yeah
• 1:03:00
  and i don't you had the ball for 16 minutes i
• 1:03:04
  didn't i didn't see tyler shaw do and not that
• 1:03:07
  he couldn't do anything but he didn't get an
• 1:03:10
  opportunity to put drives together the there
• 1:03:14
  was what one turn he had one interception yep
• 1:03:16
  they had a fumble lost and the rams With their
• 1:03:22
  three tight end, one wide receiver, one running
• 1:03:25
  back set where they just grind it out. Just incredible
• 1:03:31
  style of offense. And the NFL being a copycat
• 1:03:35
  league, I think we're going to start seeing a
• 1:03:37
  lot more of that going forward. All I'm going
• 1:03:41
  to say is that Matthew Stafford we trust. Absolutely.
• 1:03:44
  So with Jonathan Taylor dropping out as my favorite
• 1:03:49
  for MVP. I actually think that Matthew Stafford,
• 1:03:53
  after this week, should be favored to win the
• 1:03:56
  MEP. Well, he's moved up dramatically on my list
• 1:04:00
  of top five quarterbacks for this year. Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  I don't... Damn. Like, the masterpiece of Matthew
• 1:04:09
  Stafford. I wish he was able to do this in Detroit
• 1:04:13
  and be, like, successful. Well, he was able to
• 1:04:17
  do this to Detroit. Offensively, he was. He didn't
• 1:04:19
  have Dan Campbell to rein. Detroit didn't have
• 1:04:23
  a culture that allowed him to succeed. Because,
• 1:04:26
  like, the weapons Matthew Stafford has right
• 1:04:28
  now, yes, he's still technically playing injured
• 1:04:31
  because his arm is still injured. And his back.
• 1:04:33
  And his back. Well, no, and his shoulders because
• 1:04:36
  he's carrying that team right now. You know what
• 1:04:39
  I mean? Matthew Stafford, like, to my Rams fans
• 1:04:43
  out there. man he's great he's great so this
• 1:04:49
  brings up something go ahead that i've been saying
• 1:04:52
  go ahead is matthew stafford joe flacco these
• 1:04:56
  older quarterbacks the nfl in my opinion has
• 1:05:00
  gone gotten away from having quarterbacks that
• 1:05:03
  stay in the pocket and are able to read and dissect
• 1:05:06
  defenses. And by doing that, a lot of defenses
• 1:05:10
  have actually gone into a situation where you
• 1:05:12
  try to take away the best read, and then you
• 1:05:14
  stop the quarterback from running. Yes. And Flacco,
• 1:05:17
  we didn't talk about it, but Flacco with T. Higgins
• 1:05:22
  going off. Flacco's first read is Jamar Chase.
• 1:05:24
  Yes. The Bengals, not the Bengals, the Bears
• 1:05:29
  stopped Jamar Chase. After they stopped Jamar
• 1:05:32
  Chase, they, you know, are sitting there and
• 1:05:36
  they're like, oh, this team's now going to run.
• 1:05:37
  This quarterback's going to run. No, now he's
• 1:05:39
  looking at Tee Higgins. And Tee Higgins popped
• 1:05:41
  off, right? And that you see from Placco. Devontae
• 1:05:44
  Adams is the second option in that offense. And
• 1:05:46
  he finished with three, was it three touchdown
• 1:05:48
  catches last night? Yes. At least two, right?
• 1:05:51
  Two. Yeah. And that's what you're seeing is he's
• 1:05:54
  a quarterback who's willing to stay in the pocket,
• 1:05:56
  read a defense, break it down, and throw his
• 1:05:59
  guys open. It's that level of maturity, though,
• 1:06:01
  understanding that, you know, sometimes it's
• 1:06:04
  easier to be patient than rush, rush, rush, rush,
• 1:06:07
  rush. Yeah. But you see that with a lot of young
• 1:06:10
  guys, and I think that's one of the reasons where
• 1:06:12
  Geno Smith, Sam Darnold. Except for this year.
• 1:06:15
  Geno Smith this year is. Geno Smith this year
• 1:06:18
  is only because he doesn't have an O -line. If
• 1:06:22
  he stayed in Seattle, that's a different story.
• 1:06:24
  But he's not running as much. Yeah. But you see
• 1:06:28
  these quarterback revival stories because they're
• 1:06:31
  older guys who understand. Take your time. Take
• 1:06:34
  what's given to you. Well, that's a great example
• 1:06:38
  of the Patriots. Jake May is doing that. He's
• 1:06:42
  running, too. Yeah. But he's going through the
• 1:06:46
  progression. And his coaches allow him to get
• 1:06:49
  to that point. All right. Cheese versus the Bills.
• 1:06:55
  Oh, wait, I missed the game. Oh, it doesn't matter.
• 1:06:59
  Chiefs versus the Bills. 21 -28 for the Bills.
• 1:07:03
  The Bills dominated that game, and I was watching
• 1:07:08
  the game with Scott. And Scott and I were just
• 1:07:11
  looking at each other, and we just couldn't believe
• 1:07:13
  how good the Bills looked. And yet somehow...
• 1:07:18
  Regular season. Regular season. That's all I'm
• 1:07:20
  saying. Regular season. This is their Super Bowl.
• 1:07:23
  But they looked so good. And then at the end
• 1:07:27
  of the game, the Chiefs still are just a chance
• 1:07:30
  away, a drive away from tying this game up and
• 1:07:35
  going to overtime. Where did that come from?
• 1:07:38
  That game should never have been as close as
• 1:07:40
  it was. Mahomes played terrible compared to Josh
• 1:07:46
  Allen, and yet he was right there. Nobody stuck
• 1:07:49
  out on Kansas City's offense. There was no one
• 1:07:53
  that you looked at and you're like, he's really
• 1:07:55
  holding them in there. Yes, they had the occasional
• 1:07:59
  big play, but I'm not sure what was going on
• 1:08:03
  because the Bills dominated that game. It felt
• 1:08:07
  like every play, Mahomes was getting knocked
• 1:08:09
  on his ass. Yeah. Ah, man. Well, I always love
• 1:08:14
  to see the Chiefs lose. Absolutely. I love watching
• 1:08:18
  them lose. Like, the Chiefs have to replace...
• 1:08:22
  The Patriots, in my eyes, is the most hated team
• 1:08:25
  in the league. And it's mostly due to the...
• 1:08:27
  It's, like, simple. You win. Everyone hates the
• 1:08:30
  team that wins. We don't like greatness, unfortunately,
• 1:08:34
  in the NFL. We like equality. We want our team
• 1:08:37
  to eventually get to the point to a certain degree.
• 1:08:41
  But... Andy Reid, one of my favorite coaches
• 1:08:46
  of all time. But... And I always love to see
• 1:08:52
  Andy Reid lose one game here, one game there.
• 1:08:54
  I'd rather them just lose in the playoffs. That's
• 1:08:57
  fair. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, and their
• 1:09:00
  progression. I'm okay with that. But no, Bills
• 1:09:04
  needed this because they need to learn how to
• 1:09:07
  do this in the playoffs. Yep. And they were on
• 1:09:11
  a little bit of a losing streak. The Bills also
• 1:09:14
  brought out an offense that really... exposed
• 1:09:20
  Kansas City. They did leave some points on the
• 1:09:23
  board, and I don't know if part of it was Buffalo
• 1:09:26
  just didn't want to open up their bag, knowing
• 1:09:28
  that they'll probably face Kansas City again.
• 1:09:30
  Probably. Which is smart. And just had the system
• 1:09:34
  in place. All right. The game that we missed
• 1:09:39
  was Jags versus the Raiders. Cam Little. Cam
• 1:09:43
  Little. Like Brock Bowers, awesome. I'm so excited
• 1:09:48
  for that. Cam Littlefield, well, 68 yards. And
• 1:09:53
  it's not even the fact that he has the leg to
• 1:09:56
  do it. It's as a coaching staff to sit there
• 1:09:59
  and put your trust in a guy like that and say,
• 1:10:02
  hey, if you miss, the other team's pretty much
• 1:10:05
  now in field goal range. Yes. And to be like,
• 1:10:07
  no, you got this. Go do it. And he went and he
• 1:10:10
  did it, and there was room to spare. Do you think
• 1:10:14
  that he will make one from 70 -plus? If anyone's
• 1:10:20
  going to do it, it's going to be him and the
• 1:10:23
  Dallas kicker. Aubrey. Aubrey. Yes. It's between
• 1:10:26
  those two. Honestly, when it comes to the All
• 1:10:30
  -Star, like the Pro Bowl, I would love a kickoff.
• 1:10:35
  That'd be awesome. I might actually watch that.
• 1:10:38
  I might actually watch that because I don't watch.
• 1:10:40
  The Pro Bowl, I think it's trash. It's a waste
• 1:10:42
  of time. It is a waste of time. But getting back
• 1:10:47
  to actual football and not specialty. Yeah. Man,
• 1:10:51
  did Brock Bowers look good coming back from injury?
• 1:10:55
  He destroyed me. I had him on two of my fantasy
• 1:10:58
  teams. They looked great. I played against him
• 1:11:00
  in three of my fantasy leagues. Man. The one
• 1:11:04
  league going into that four o 'clock window of
• 1:11:07
  games with... I was projected to win 80 -20.
• 1:11:11
  That game ended, and I am now losing 90 -10.
• 1:11:18
  Hey, sometimes it's the tight ends that actually
• 1:11:22
  make the difference on a lot of offenses because
• 1:11:24
  a lot of people don't think they're tight ends.
• 1:11:26
  Big body, big target. That's what was Kansas
• 1:11:28
  City's huge Achilles, right? Yeah. What? Man.
• 1:11:35
  All right. Seahawks versus Commanders. We're
• 1:11:40
  almost there. We're almost there. Seahawks versus
• 1:11:42
  Commanders. That's Jaden Daniels. Injury. Seven
• 1:11:48
  minutes left. Seven minutes left. Down by 28,
• 1:11:51
  21 at the time. I believe it was like 30. It
• 1:11:54
  was 38 to 7. 38 to 7. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So,
• 1:11:58
  yeah. Why was he in the game at that point? Why
• 1:12:01
  was he in the game? I don't know. Seven minutes
• 1:12:05
  left. Realistically, you're looking at, okay,
• 1:12:07
  you score a touchdown, you stop him, you score
• 1:12:09
  a touchdown. You're still going to lose by 14.
• 1:12:12
  And he's already injured. And he's, yeah, he
• 1:12:15
  hasn't been healthy. And now he's done for the
• 1:12:19
  rest of the year because that arm. Allegedly.
• 1:12:22
  Allegedly. He, according to them, because of
• 1:12:26
  how the elbow dislocated and how clean it was.
• 1:12:30
  They said that he can only be out for six weeks,
• 1:12:32
  potentially. And it's his non -throwing arm.
• 1:12:35
  But the team, the commander's season as a whole
• 1:12:37
  is now done. It's over. It's done. It's done.
• 1:12:40
  Marcus Mariota has to win out. At this rate,
• 1:12:45
  you kind of gave the NFC East to the Eagles.
• 1:12:52
  The Eagles do have the hardest schedule moving
• 1:12:55
  forward. Compared to... In the division, yes.
• 1:12:59
  I was going to say, the Minnesota Vikings have
• 1:13:01
  a hard schedule moving forward. Because we do
• 1:13:04
  get the Cowboys twice. Now... Once more. Right,
• 1:13:08
  right, right. We got Dallas soon. We got Green
• 1:13:12
  Bay soon. There's a few other games. I was checking
• 1:13:16
  this earlier. The Eagles actually have a really
• 1:13:18
  tough situation moving forward. And it's going
• 1:13:21
  to be intriguing to see. But the commanders were
• 1:13:26
  up there. And letting Jaden Daniels play in the
• 1:13:32
  fourth quarter when he knew there was no chance
• 1:13:34
  you were going to win. Yeah, that's terrible.
• 1:13:37
  I would love to hear what the coaching staff
• 1:13:42
  has to say about that. Why did they keep him
• 1:13:44
  in there? There's nothing that they can say that
• 1:13:47
  would be able to save Dan Quinn. Now, does this
• 1:13:50
  cost Dan Quinn his job? If I was the owner or
• 1:13:55
  GM, it's potential that he might have lost his
• 1:14:01
  job at the end of the year. It's possible. Everyone
• 1:14:05
  can redeem themselves. It is a freak accident.
• 1:14:09
  Absolutely. That is true. It is a freak accident.
• 1:14:11
  I can't always blame it on the coach for keeping
• 1:14:14
  him in because let's be honest, if there was
• 1:14:18
  an opportunity to potentially come back and do
• 1:14:20
  it, they could have done it. I don't even think
• 1:14:23
  it's as much of an opportunity. And now I might
• 1:14:25
  be talking out of both sides of my mouth. But
• 1:14:28
  from my experience playing football, being around
• 1:14:32
  guys that have played at higher levels of football,
• 1:14:34
  especially when you're getting paid to do it,
• 1:14:39
  you have stipulations in your contract, certain
• 1:14:43
  number of snaps played. You want to hit your
• 1:14:45
  bonuses, rushing yards, rush attempts, targets,
• 1:14:48
  receptions, receiving yards, touchdowns. So even
• 1:14:53
  when you are in garbage time as it is, as a player
• 1:14:57
  who's looking to get paid, you don't want to
• 1:15:01
  come off. The competitive spirit in you wants
• 1:15:03
  to keep fighting. Yeah, 100%. And he's already
• 1:15:06
  missed time. Yes, he has. Yes, he absolutely
• 1:15:09
  has. But we got to talk about that MVP quarterback
• 1:15:13
  over there, Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold's looking
• 1:15:16
  great. I think I was worried. about Sam Darnold
• 1:15:21
  going to Seattle because I thought Seattle had
• 1:15:26
  a terrible O -line situation. And Sam Darnold
• 1:15:29
  was good in Minnesota. As much as everyone wants
• 1:15:31
  to blame him for the playoff loss, that O -line
• 1:15:35
  in Minnesota was garbage. And you see a reflection
• 1:15:39
  of just how bad that O -line in Minnesota was
• 1:15:42
  this year with all of the injuries their quarterbacks
• 1:15:44
  have had. If anything, we got to learn just how
• 1:15:47
  tough Sam Darnold is. after he's left Minnesota
• 1:15:50
  because of the beating that he took and the fact
• 1:15:52
  that he missed no time with injuries, as far
• 1:15:55
  as I'm aware, and just how well he's been able.
• 1:15:58
  Everyone wrote off Seattle this year. I think
• 1:16:01
  a lot of people were picking them to be a top
• 1:16:04
  10 lottery draft pick. Yeah, Gino Smith leaves,
• 1:16:06
  DK Metcalf leaves, and Jackson Smith and Jigba
• 1:16:10
  is an elite athlete that he doesn't have to be
• 1:16:14
  overshadowed by DK Metcalf. Like, that's refreshing.
• 1:16:16
  Smith and Jigba. Horton has looked great as a
• 1:16:20
  rookie coming in. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, honestly,
• 1:16:24
  it's fun. I'm happy for Sam Darnold. It's fun
• 1:16:29
  to watch them play. It's fun to also see Sam
• 1:16:31
  Darnold because it's like, did Minnesota screw
• 1:16:34
  that up and let both Danny Dimes and... Danny
• 1:16:40
  Dimes was... He never took a snap. Daniel Jones.
• 1:16:43
  But it's funny because... If you look at the
• 1:16:48
  quarterbacks who, why am I drawing a blank? Who's
• 1:16:51
  the coach in Minnesota? Not sure anything. But
• 1:16:57
  if you look at the quarterbacks that have came
• 1:16:59
  through and spent part of a season, if not a
• 1:17:02
  whole season, even if they've been bench players
• 1:17:05
  that have worked with him and then moved on to
• 1:17:10
  another team and the success that they are having,
• 1:17:13
  you might have a quarterback whisperer there.
• 1:17:17
  Now it's supposed to be Kevin O 'Connell. O 'Connell,
• 1:17:20
  yes. O 'Connell is a quarterback whisperer. Is
• 1:17:24
  he, though? Look it up, or if not, I will come
• 1:17:29
  back on next week. I'll come back on next week,
• 1:17:32
  and I will have a list of the quarterbacks that
• 1:17:34
  O 'Connell has had in his quarterback's room,
• 1:17:36
  and you can see where they are in the NFL now.
• 1:17:39
  Okay, okay. That's fair. All right. All right,
• 1:17:43
  last thing. We got the game going on right now,
• 1:17:47
  the Cardinals versus the Cowboys. What do you
• 1:17:50
  think? I like the Cardinals. I think. Wow, really?
• 1:17:54
  Come on. I think Jacoby Brissett, yes, he's an
• 1:18:00
  older quarterback, but he makes that offense
• 1:18:03
  run in Arizona. Better than Kyle Murray ever
• 1:18:06
  did. Better than Kyler Murray does. I think it's
• 1:18:10
  also because the new Call of Duty came out a
• 1:18:11
  couple weeks ago that Kyler Murray's dropped
• 1:18:13
  off. Call of Duty hasn't come out. Battlefield
• 1:18:14
  6 has come out. Is that what it is? Battlefield's
• 1:18:17
  out right now. And then there's another game.
• 1:18:19
  I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing. Ark
• 1:18:21
  Raiders came out. Yeah. So those two are both
• 1:18:24
  shooters. One's a third person, one's first person.
• 1:18:26
  And then Call of Duty comes out soon. Okay. So
• 1:18:29
  Kyler Murray's probably done for the year. That
• 1:18:31
  being said. But no, Kobe Brissett does a great
• 1:18:34
  job managing this offense. He's been able to
• 1:18:40
  make it work. Yeah, they kept it tight. They
• 1:18:43
  kept it tight against Green Bay. Yes, they lost.
• 1:18:45
  Yep. They won the week before. And I have zero
• 1:18:49
  faith in this Dallas defense. We all do. I think
• 1:18:53
  mistakes, coming down to mistakes, the Cowboys
• 1:18:57
  are going to keep the game close because their
• 1:18:59
  offense is never out of it. It's what they do.
• 1:19:01
  But their defense, well, I... I have more faith
• 1:19:06
  in the Cardinals defense stopping the Cowboys
• 1:19:08
  offense than I do the Cowboys defense stopping
• 1:19:12
  the Cardinals offense. Okay. I like that take.
• 1:19:16
  Okay. We'll see. We'll see. The game's going
• 1:19:20
  on. I do have the Cardinals winning this game.
• 1:19:24
  Okay. But you picked them just because you hate
• 1:19:27
  the Cowboys. I can't respect the Cowboys. I feel
• 1:19:30
  like if the Cowboys were playing against a college
• 1:19:32
  football team and were 75 -point favorites, you
• 1:19:35
  would still pick that college football team.
• 1:19:36
  100%. Yes. But that's my mentality. The rivalry
• 1:19:39
  is real. I'm an Eagles fan. I can't respect...
• 1:19:41
  But, like, I'll say Dak Prescott's been playing,
• 1:19:44
  like, in the MVP court. Like, he's been playing...
• 1:19:45
  He's been playing great. He's been playing great,
• 1:19:47
  but the defense has been... He's like the Bengals.
• 1:19:50
  It's just more... gut -wrenching with the Bengals
• 1:19:53
  doing it because it's a comeback story for Joe
• 1:19:56
  Flacco. And actually just looking at the score
• 1:20:00
  now, the Cardinals are up. And was that Marvin
• 1:20:03
  Harrison Jr. that caught the touchdown? Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Because that'd be great for my fantasy. Well,
• 1:20:10
  that's how it goes, right? Absolutely. So, yeah,
• 1:20:16
  that was Marvin Harris. Nice. So it's 10 -0 right
• 1:20:19
  now. That's sad. Why? Why? Javante Williams,
• 1:20:24
  I don't know how he's played yet. Like I said,
• 1:20:27
  we're just seeing the TV now. Yeah, we'll catch
• 1:20:29
  you later games. But Javante Williams will finish
• 1:20:32
  the game with two touchdowns. Okay. Well, yes,
• 1:20:34
  100%. But, like, if you were at Clubhouse right
• 1:20:37
  now, you'd be able to watch this game, talk to
• 1:20:40
  us about it, and potentially win a CD Lamb jersey.
• 1:20:43
  Absolutely. That'd be great. You know what I
• 1:20:45
  mean? The Philadelphia Eagles jersey next week
• 1:20:47
  because we play Green Bay Packers next week.
• 1:20:50
  Well, yeah. All right. So overall, it's your
• 1:20:53
  first time on a podcast. I can't even speak.
• 1:20:55
  Your first time on a podcast. How was it? It
• 1:20:59
  was fine. It's just how we normally talk, right?
• 1:21:01
  It's true. Honestly, being on. Which is why it
• 1:21:04
  went for so long, too. Yes. You're like, oh,
• 1:21:06
  it's going to be an hour. Here we are. Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  90 minutes in. Yeah, man. Well, yeah. So I do.
• 1:21:12
  I tried to hold back. I appreciate it. I appreciate
• 1:21:15
  it. No, honestly, this is great. We'll definitely
• 1:21:17
  get you more on the show. Having you and Scott
• 1:21:21
  would be great as well. I think moving forward,
• 1:21:25
  we're going to be potentially trying to figure
• 1:21:28
  out other avenues, how we're going to keep this
• 1:21:31
  podcast going, just in January, because there
• 1:21:33
  won't be any Monday Night Football come January.
• 1:21:36
  Playoff football. Playoff football is different.
• 1:21:38
  Yeah, playoff football. So we'll still do our
• 1:21:40
  thing. We would love to have you a part of it.
• 1:21:44
  Appreciate that. Thanks for having me. Special
• 1:21:46
  K. Yeah. Special K, it's always an honor to have
• 1:21:50
  you on the show. But yeah, that is an episode.
• 1:21:56
  Awesome. Cheers. Great night. Ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:22:02
  Thank you for tuning in to Off The Bench London.
• 1:22:07
  With your host. And Scott the visionary home.
• 1:22:15
  Only at the clubhouse. With a game.