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Troop Beverly Hills (1989) feat. LOREEN · Camp Classics

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  prostitute or a dog. Edit.
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  I used to love doggy chow. I used.
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  To love doggy chow. Too sorry I was late, I was busy
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  describing fall fashions to the blind.
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  I'm Crystal. She felt his manhood rising to a
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  pulsating frenzy. I'm baby lame.
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  Also like last time I had this I got more than a patch.
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  We'll get into that, yeah. Welcome to Camp Classic A.
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  Thoughtful podcast about stupid movies.
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  Every two weeks we get together and discuss a gay old movie and
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  try and figure out if it deserves a merit patch.
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  And why do we do it? Still don't know?
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  Someone has to. Someone has to, yeah.
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  Thank God someone is. Doing what I what I will say is
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  this, you know, it might it might surprise you, Crystal, but
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  there have actually been a few other Cam classic podcasts
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  various like various. Did you have a?
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  Brain tumor for breakfast. In in what's, what's the word
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  intonations? Yeah, iterations, iterations.
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  Thank you. Yeah, great.
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  I'm so articulate again. Really been working the most
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  smartest most smartest? But yeah, there's been quite a
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  few. They don't last that long.
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  I think we've got more episodes than most now, so you know.
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  What are you saying? There have been actual shows
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  called Camp Classics or just like right?
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  Yeah, like, but basically, yeah. Totally.
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  Like sometimes when I'm trying to research a movie I will like
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  try and listen to a podcast and there's just archives of like
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  shows that 2 gay people started and.
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  They give up. They give up and.
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  Not us. They're not giving up.
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  Clinging on to that, yeah, but that.
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  That's when we're going to carry on.
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  No one can stop us. Help help me help me.
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  Even TikTok because we've just, we've just launched our TikTok
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  page and you told me there are haters already.
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  We've got like 50 followers and a couple of them are haters.
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  Brilliant. Bring it on.
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  Yeah, they they said they weren't happy with our Black
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  Swan coverage. They said you were so close to
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  getting it. Fuck you.
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  I think I should start making like more rage baity little
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  clips. Yeah, I just think we should go
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  full on rage bait with it now. Yeah, it's the era.
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  It's the era of rage bait. Hey, you know what I'm enraged
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  about? Go on, tell me.
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  The Buffy reboot being cancelled.
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  I know you don't care, but literally.
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  Didn't I didn't even know it came.
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  I'm not even saying this to be a little maybe I'm saying this to
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  be rage. Basically, I didn't even realize
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  it was back until poor Sarah Michelle Gellar was there going
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  I'm. Fucking livid.
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  Did you even watch it? Did anyone watch it?
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  Hasn't come out. They filmed a pilot and and they
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  filmed the pilot and Hulu cancelled it.
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  Like didn't take it to series. Oh.
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  Oh, I'm sorry. That must.
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  Have been devastating for you. It actually was it.
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  Can't have been very good then. Listen It was directed and
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  produced by Chloe Zhao, who has an Oscar.
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  For what should know these things but.
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  Well she was. She has an Oscar for Oh fuck
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  what is it? She directed Hamnet and a Marvel
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  movie and she doesn't. She doesn't.
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  Slightly like and then the Buffy reboot.
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  Yeah, that's a slightly wild range.
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  Isn't it? But they say that it was an an
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  executive Hulu who just kept saying to Sarah Michelle go
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  like, I never watched this show, I never got it.
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  And he's the one who didn't want it.
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  OK. They're just afraid of strong
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  women. Blah blah blah girl power
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  feminism. Do you know what I mean?
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  Well, things that I've been excited about this week.
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  Denise Richards facelift. Oh, I haven't seen.
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  Oh, she looks sensational. Oh, she looks absolutely
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  sensational. Because she has been a bit,
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  she's been a bit Joan Crawford in the later years.
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  Recently I saw a clip of her and Charlie Sheen reunited for his
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  documentary, which I think is a bit old anyway.
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  But I went down the loophole of seeing her and it was she's a
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  bit, she was a bit mummy dearest, but no, she's snatched
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  and back. So welcome back Denise Richards.
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  You've got value again now that your face is tight, yes.
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  Feminism. Do you know what I mean?
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  We, we have some other things that we're very excited about.
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  Well, actually when this episode comes out, we will have, we will
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  have been BFI alumni by the time you're listening to this.
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  We have done our BFI. Events.
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  Do we pretend it went really well or do we sort of fester in
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  self pity because we flopped at the first hurdle?
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  What what? What side do you want to go down
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  well? You already said that it's all
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  about delusions, so you were saying earlier, so let's just
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  keep that going. Yay.
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  Oh my God, we had such a great time.
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  The guests were amazing, The audience was fantastic.
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  So good that we're going to be. It's an episode, isn't?
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  It they were actually queuing around the block, weren't they?
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  Like they were just waiting for returns because we obviously
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  sold out like within minutes. Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty big
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  deal, Pretty big deal. Yeah, it was great and looking
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  forward to more. And actually if you check the
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  website for the tour dates, the UK tour is starting.
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  Yeah, the BFI have announced us as permanent residents, I think.
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  Is that is that enough to lose? Somebody lied to her several
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  times. We went to the BFI flared
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  though, didn't we? We went to the opening night.
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  We saw. We saw hunky Jesus.
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  Very fun. I loved it.
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  It was so great. It was.
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  I really want to RIP that off as something to do in general.
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  Yeah, It's basically a hot Jesus competition.
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  Yeah, it was great. And then I went to see Lady
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  Champagne the next night, which was like a drag, like Airplane
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  or Naked Gun. It was really funny, like loads
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  of stupid cum jokes. Buzzy, Buzzy Films.
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  Films. Other thing we're excited about,
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  You know who I got on the podcast this week?
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  Yeah, right. OK.
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  It's bit a bit weird, isn't it? That's my Lorraine noise.
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  The vacuum cleaner. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you somehow managed to get pop superstar Lorraine on this
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  episode. Yeah, OK, sure.
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  Why? Well, she is just such a big fan
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  of Troop Beverly Hills. She messaged and said I need to
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  come talk about Shelley Long. I love this though because you
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  did message me and you're like, I think I can get an interview
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  with Lorraine. How can we shoehorn this in on
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  the podcast? And I just said, who cares?
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  Yeah, just do. It just do it, who cares?
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  We're trying to make this podcast more of a thing.
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  Throw more at the wall, more shit at the wolves.
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  Hey, who knows, maybe this film thing isn't what this podcast
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  is. I think just keep on trying.
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  What was she like? She was fantastic.
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  Did she have the long nails? She had the long nails.
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  She turned up head to toe. Black leather, which is what you
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  expect. Yeah.
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  Like full like lesbian goth vibes and then.
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  Was the hair slightly wet and like, kind of, you know, like.
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  Yeah, yeah, textured. But what?
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  But not only did she look like that, she had an entourage of
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  three people who were also all in black leather.
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  Yes. Were you in black leather too?
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  I wasn't. I wasn't.
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  I didn't get the memo. No one told me.
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  I. Saw a video of you like sweatily
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  riding a bike with a ring line. Yeah, I did it at the Universal
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  like offices and you think they would have like a creator studio
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  there or something like some kind of setup, but no, they're
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  like bring your own ring light. So I was on a Lime bike with a
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  ring light wrapped around my neck.
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  At Showbiz. But so she's a big fan of the
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  podcast then, I take it? Yeah, she's huge fan.
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  A huge fan. She knew exactly what it was all
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  about. She knew why she was there.
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  She was thrilled to. Be What do you talk to her
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  about? I mean, we'll listen to it in a
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  bit, but what? Yeah, it's going to be at the
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  end of the episode. It's just kind of getting her
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  sense on camp and basically kind of teaching her what camp means.
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  But whatever. It was really fun.
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  She The funny thing that she did ask me was like, am I camp?
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  I didn't know you. Camp No, she was like, am I camp
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  about herself? OK.
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  And I'm like, I don't know how to answer this because it's kind
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  of not. It's a.
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  Yeah, like is that a trick question?
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  Yeah, it's kind of is. She like going am I camp?
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  Then Yeah. Am I?
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  Because it's I should have just leaned in and said yes, but I
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  was like kind of afraid of insulting.
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  Her. Well, it is hard to know how to
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  play it with Lorraine. Yeah, because she's.
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  I don't think she is that camp. Like I think she's got a
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  sincerity and which is like, you know, people resonate with she
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  writes like soulful bangers, right?
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  Like it's like emotional. I like that we've got the rain
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  on this I. Know, I know.
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  I know, I know. Who else?
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  Who else? What is camp is having an
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  entourage of three people dressed exactly the same and one
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  of them was constantly fixing her hair.
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  Like with your shitty ring light.
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  So no one cared about the setup, but they were like.
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  But there was always a man just like doing, you know, in the
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  comeback when he's like constantly in shot fixing her
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  hair. It was that it was fantastic.
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  And I didn't. I was like, maybe I should
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  address this, but I didn't want to insult the people in the.
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  Real. Yeah, because that's quite camp
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  as well. Yeah, well, I'm excited to hear
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  what you said to her. Yeah.
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  And hopefully we got some. If you're listening to this
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  episode because you're a Lorraine fan, the rest of this
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  episode has nothing to do to do with Lorraine.
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  Welcome. We'll try as we talk.
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  Let's see if we can shoehorn in Lorraine into the episode so it
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  makes more sense as we build to it.
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  That's my challenge for you. Other business, other business.
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  Before we get into today's episode, we had a suggestion
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  from Ren on Spotify. I think they said why is it
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  called the suggestion sack and not the fag bag?
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  Oh. Fag bag is pretty good.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean.
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  We'll use them both. I still like this.
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  I still like to debunk that sack.
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  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I yeah.
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  It's almost like fact bag is like too accomplished for what
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  it is. You know what I mean?
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  Something really twee about the suggestion sack.
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  Yeah, listen, thank you. And we do welcome any format
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  suggestions. Absolutely, absolutely.
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  We've got some new Patreon members as well.
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  Henry and Cara. Welcome to the gay trio.
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  Heaven, did you say? Henry.
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  Henry feels like heaven, that's how.
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  That's a Lorraine reference. Yes.
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  OK, Wait on the Lorraine scoreboard tick.
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  That's number one, yeah. It's like heaven.
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  Where are they from? Sweden No.
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  But you're welcome. We're glad to have you.
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  It's great to have. You also I had this comment on
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  Gatrian and I'm so sorry to say I have to just read it out.
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  LM commented on our Black Swan episode one.
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  When am I going to get my member shout out?
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  I'm so sorry LMI. Don't even know what your name.
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  Is a sad existence. No, I'm sorry, I, I don't know
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  how that I don't know how that happened, but we're very happy
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  members shout out. No, and two, I hope the Liza
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  book is getting a special episode.
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  Oh, we're moving into books now, are we as well?
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  Shit good. We're like multi.
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  I am interested to kind of hear the AI version of Liza Minnelli
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  read her own audio book. Yeah, absolutely.
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  We've also that is kept on Eliza.
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  Yeah, maybe we should. Maybe with Eliza Book coming
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  out, we should finally do cabaret.
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  And then review the book as well and then get Liza AI an
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  interview Liza AI some. Random influencer doing book
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  promo and it was on her official page like this man with like
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  4000 followers. So there's you know what?
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  There is a world where we could get a Liza collab.
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  Liza AI to Co host the episode. Yeah.
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  Oh, no. She I.
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  Oh, which that one again? She.
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  Slipped to the gangster. I also always want to say
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  raspberries, but that's Carol Tanning.
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  Oh yeah, raspberries. Raspberries.
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  You know what? I told you this?
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  You know why Carol Channing did that?
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  No. So it was in the script blows
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  Raspberry. And she didn't know what that
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  meant, so she just read it out loud.
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  So she was supposed to go. Yeah.
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  And she didn't know what that what that term was.
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  So she just went raspberries and they kept it in.
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  Oh, great. OK.
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  It's so good. Raspberry.
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  Any other business? Any other business?
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  I don't think so. The Gatreon, Yeah, I've
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  mentioned it. You can sign up, It's £4 a
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  month. You get a bonus episode.
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  We would love to have you over there.
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  Yeah, and like, I don't know what it is, but I think we need
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  to give the Gatreon something else.
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  OK. So just leaving that as a
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  floater for you. There you go.
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  OK. Just big big, big picture, big
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  thoughts. There's something.
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  There's something there. There's definitely something
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  missing from all of this. But no, seriously, thank you for
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  purchasing your Gatron tickets. We it means a lot to us, doesn't
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  it? It does.
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  It allows us to, you know, to just add production values to
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  book people like Lorraine. Yeah, she's, I mean, Lorraine's
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  not cheap and I had to pay for that Lime bike to to Kings Cross
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  with that ring light. So, you know, your, your support
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  goes a long way. Yeah.
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  Help me, I'm poor. No listen.
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  Baby. Though before we go any further,
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  what the hell makes a camp classic?
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  Well camp classic is something that needs to unlock queer joy.
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  We want to get a wetty. It needs to be stupid, it should
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  have an ongoing legacy that informs queer pop culture.
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  And ultimately it needs to be anti mainstream slash underdog
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  flop vibes that's been reclaimed by the F slurs.
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  And today, these F slurs are talking Troop Beverly Hills.
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  Fresh out of this suggestion sack.
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  Fresh out of the suggestion sack from Niall.
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  Hello, Niall. We've got a lot to be sorry for,
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  Niall. Nothing can.
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  What's your suggestion? Sack hasn't been that successful
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  thus far in my opinion. Both times we've drawn the movie
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  and I've been like, oh, fun, yeah, looking forward to that.
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  And both times it's been a bit of a let down.
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  Well, maybe that is correct. Maybe it's not because I had a
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  bit of a 180 flip halfway through watching this movie.
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  Yeah, that's just my little teaser for where I'm going.
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  What's your history with this movie?
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  I have no history with it. Likewise, I had never seen it.
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  I feel like it's one of the few films of this ilk that I haven't
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  watched because I was very much that person that would be like,
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  oh God, I need a Bette Midler comedy to watch like in my 20s
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  or so. You just would scroll a Goldie
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  Hawn, Bette Midler, Shelley Long as well.
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  Like I've seen all of them, but this, this was one that just
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  kind of was there that I've never seen before and I don't
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  know why. Yeah, I've never seen it, I
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  don't think. This is the first thing I've
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  ever seen with Shelley Long in it.
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  Oh. Have you not seen the Brady
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  Bunch films? No.
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  Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
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  You've not seen Money Pit? No.
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  Oh, OK. So you literally don't know who
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  she is at all. No, I loved her.
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  I mean, she's she's one of those ones.
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  She kind of had a big spur in the 80s and then it kind of went
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  a bit flopped Tina for her, right?
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  She had a big argument with Bette Midler.
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  They didn't like each other on set when they did a film
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  together. And Bette Midler was actually
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  meant to be in this. Disney wanted her for this,
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  didn't they? But yeah, she's kind of just,
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  you know, fizzled out slightly, but.
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  So you're saying Bette Midler destroyed her career?
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  Probably. Yeah, I wouldn't put it past.
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  Her. I could see Bette Midler in this
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  role though. Oh my God.
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  Yeah, yeah. Or Goldie.
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  Yeah. Or just any generic bloody woman
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  from that period of time. Yeah.
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  But I really liked her. She's very watchable.
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  She's very Valerie Cherish. Totally.
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  And I can completely see that Lisa Kudrow must have used her
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  as a reference for the way she talks, the intonation, the red
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  hair. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Very Valerie Cherish.
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  And in this movie, she's she's also got a bit of Elvira.
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  Yes, yeah, I see that. And she's got a bit of Samantha
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  Sex and the City. There's like without the like,
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  slut. Yeah, OK.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like the looks and like you know
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  how like in Sex in the City, they would all all end up doing
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  pratfalls also. And you're like.
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  Does Samantha do a pratfall? They go she'd she'd Morris
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  things or. Maybe she'd fall over and land
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  on a Dick, you know what I mean? Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's fun to just speak as
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  Samantha, I think. Absolutely.
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  I'm a trisexual, I'll try anything once.
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  Well, so this movie, it was directed by Jeff Canoe, sounds
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  like a fake name. Yeah, it definitely sounds like
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  a fake name. He directed Revenge of the Nerds
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  which I haven't seen. Nah did some of these movies.
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  It was written by Pamela Norris, Margaret Greco Oberman and Ava
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  Ostern. Freeze so written by three
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  women. And I write saying that it's
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  based on Pamela's own life. Yeah, maybe a bit.
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  Yeah, didn't. She like do something like this?
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  I thought I saw something that it was like it was based on her
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  experiences in a girl. That's girl, she said.
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  And then it was a fun dinner party story.
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  And then got turned into right? Yeah.
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  She was a writer on SNL for four years.
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  Oh, OK. Yeah, it had a budget of $18
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  million, but it was a box office bomb. 8.5 million it took.
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  Wow, that is a big old flop, isn't?
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  It that's really bad, Really fucking bad, and it's got 14% on
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  Rotten Tomatoes. The synopsis is Troop Beverly
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  Hills is hamstrung by a one joke premise, leaving this Shelly
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  Long comedy woefully short on laughs.
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  Ow. Ouch.
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  Were you in any of these kind of things?
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  You know, like, I don't know what the equivalent would have
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  been in Canada, but I don't think it's the wilderness girls
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  for. You it was Cubs and then that
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  would have gone. Was Cubs the earliest because we
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  had we had Beavers? I was a Beaver.
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  I did Beavers. You're right.
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  I was a Beavers. Yeah, I was a Beaver too.
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  I really wanted to be a cub but I wasn't allowed to be.
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  For some reason my mum wouldn't allow me to do it.
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  I. Think maybe I did a bit of Cubs.
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  Would you all right, Samantha? I did.
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  I put a cop. Would you?
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  Would you say you were an eager Beaver?
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  OK, great. Do you know the tagline of this
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  movie? No.
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  Brace yourself. She's hilarious, she's
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  captivating, she's wonderful. She's a Beverly Hills babe in
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  the woods, and the woods are wild with laughter.
• 19:00
  Wow. OK.
• 19:03
  That's a lot. That's a big promise, isn't?
• 19:07
  It Yeah, the woods are wild with laughter.
• 19:11
  The other tag line is when the going gets tough, the tough goes
• 19:14
  shopping. What?
• 19:16
  Yeah, I mean, they're struggling even with this part of it.
• 19:20
  Yeah, I think if you can't do a good tag line for your movie, it
• 19:23
  means you had a bad premise to begin with.
• 19:25
  Yeah, exactly. There should be a few options if
• 19:28
  it's got that far, yeah. Absolutely.
• 19:30
  So this movie came out in 89, and it was part of a spate of
• 19:34
  movies that were kind of riffing on the success of Beverly Hills
• 19:38
  Cop. Really.
• 19:40
  Yes, So there was. Because I can kind of see
• 19:42
  Private Benjamin vibes. But but there was like a whole
• 19:46
  slew of movies. Oh, just set in Beverly Hills.
• 19:48
  Set in Beverly Hills, and so I've actually brought a small
• 19:51
  quiz. Oh, OK, wonderful.
• 19:53
  I want you to tell me I'm calling this quiz Beverly Hills.
• 19:58
  What a thrill. And because, as I said, this was
• 20:03
  part of a mini cycle of Hollywood movies that were made
• 20:05
  after the box office success of Beverly Hills Cop, I want you to
• 20:09
  tell me if these are real or fake Beverly Hills movies.
• 20:12
  OK, yes. We've got Beverly Hills vamp.
• 20:18
  Beverly Hills vamp? I'm going to presume that's
• 20:21
  about a vampire that's in Beverly Hills.
• 20:23
  I think it's a fun concept, yes. It is real.
• 20:26
  Who starred in it? No one.
• 20:28
  No one. OK, Yeah.
• 20:31
  Beverly Hills, Chihuahua. Yes.
• 20:35
  Correct. Yeah, Reese Witherspoon.
• 20:37
  Reese Witherspoon playing the Chihuahua.
• 20:38
  Versatile. I don't it might be animated, I
• 20:41
  don't know. I remember being on a bus in
• 20:43
  South America once though and they played Beverly Hills
• 20:45
  Chihuahua too. Oh, I've got a sequel.
• 20:47
  OK, Yeah. Beverly Hills Ninja.
• 20:52
  No. False.
• 20:53
  It's true. Chris Farley and Beverly Hills,
• 20:57
  Madam. Now that's something I want to
• 21:00
  watch. I'm going to say that's not
• 21:02
  true. It's also true they're all real.
• 21:04
  And that one stars Faye Dunaway. What?
• 21:07
  What? There's a Faye Dunaway film
• 21:10
  called Beverly Hills Madam. She plays a high end Madam in
• 21:13
  Beverly Hills. It's a made for TV movie from
• 21:15
  1986 Next. Four women, each with a dream,
• 21:19
  trapped by one who controls it all.
• 21:21
  That's why I'm. So successful.
• 21:23
  Faye Dunaway is the Beverly Hills Madam next.
• 21:26
  You said you're a little trickster, aren't you?
• 21:28
  Yeah. They're all real.
• 21:29
  They're all real. What do you like?
• 21:31
  Should we get into the plot? Let's this movie.
• 21:36
  The plot? The plot?
• 21:38
  Do you want the real plot or the the actual plot?
• 21:41
  Oh, because the actual plot is very simple.
• 21:44
  Yeah, yeah. Have you ever?
• 21:47
  Heard hey women don't have any self respect.
• 21:50
  Blah blah blah girl power feminism.
• 21:54
  Do you know what I mean? Full stop.
• 21:57
  That's why. We started this podcast, isn't
• 21:59
  it? What I what I will say is like,
• 22:01
  I struggled with this movie and we'll get into it.
• 22:03
  But like I did struggle first time I watched it, I like zoned
• 22:07
  out. So I stopped watching it.
• 22:08
  So I had to rewatch it. Yeah, I have thoughts about this
• 22:11
  plot per se. You because you you texted me
• 22:16
  and said like meh or something like that.
• 22:19
  From the get go. Yeah.
• 22:20
  And because we had just done striptease, which was a bit of a
• 22:23
  slog, and we had just done mannequin, which was a bit of a
• 22:26
  slog. I was like, OK, I need to go
• 22:29
  into this with a positive attitude.
• 22:31
  I need to have fun. So I, I basically went to him
• 22:34
  with incredibly low expectations and I was like just trying to
• 22:38
  like it, OK? Yeah.
• 22:40
  And that helped. OK, Yeah.
• 22:41
  And I had a nice time. Yeah, and I think I, I have a
• 22:44
  similar feeling on my rewatch. I kind of went more in and yeah,
• 22:50
  there's a slightly more positive outlook.
• 22:52
  Yeah, I saw a review on Letterbox that said I promise
• 22:56
  you'll like this movie if you promise to only watch it using
• 22:59
  one brain cell. I think that kind of sums it up.
• 23:02
  But let's get into this plot so we've got a nice cartoony intro.
• 23:05
  Which used to be a camp clue and it's actually it's a red flag
• 23:09
  for me now. As soon as I saw that, I was
• 23:12
  like, oh, here we go. I like plot.
• 23:15
  I like to. Stand by the Ren and Stimpy
• 23:17
  animators, which I thought was quite cool.
• 23:19
  Yeah, that looks great. So then we go to the Wilderness
• 23:22
  Girls Troop HQ. Yes.
• 23:25
  And we meet all the leaders and they're reviewing the Beverly
• 23:29
  Hills Troop. This is like.
• 23:32
  High stakes, High stakes. Yeah, high stakes set up those.
• 23:34
  Girls have not sold any cookies and they have not earned any
• 23:37
  badges and they're. Like they're down to like 6-7
• 23:40
  members or something like that. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:42
  And they're like, we should scrap them.
• 23:44
  But the the nice boss lady is like, no, we're going to give
• 23:47
  them one last try. And we've had an application for
• 23:50
  a new troop leader. And then we get cut back and
• 23:53
  forth to Phyllis Kniffler's application.
• 23:56
  And we meet Phyllis Kniffler. And to be fair, excited, when I
• 24:01
  first saw this, I was like, OK, I'm on board.
• 24:04
  So she's listed as her as her like qualifications that she's
• 24:08
  community minded and we get a cut of her shopping and
• 24:12
  gossiping. Who's she gossiping with there?
• 24:15
  Stephanie Beecham? Now Stephanie Beecham looks
• 24:19
  fucking sensational. She looks so good.
• 24:21
  She has made Joan Collins in Dynasty not look 80s glitzy glam
• 24:26
  enough like it is unbelievable levels of like Beverly Hills
• 24:33
  Madam. Yeah, it's so Beverly Hills,
• 24:35
  Madam. It's like it's kind of Barbara
• 24:38
  Dixon in like, I know I'm so well, like the amount of
• 24:42
  Hairspray that this woman has. Used the hair isn't that full
• 24:45
  either, but no, no, exactly. And you can see directly through
• 24:48
  it. There's not a wig, there's not a
• 24:50
  piece. It's dry.
• 24:51
  It is going to it's like candy floss.
• 24:53
  It's going to break off. She has a foot off her head in
• 24:56
  all directions. And I love it because it's like
• 24:58
  like Hollywood pre, pre crazy surgery.
• 25:02
  So she looks older, but she's got like the nails, she's got
• 25:05
  the glam on. And I'm just like.
• 25:07
  Who is she? Stephanie Beech, Yeah, she, she
• 25:10
  was in Dynasty. Yeah.
• 25:12
  She's just like a British posh. She was.
• 25:14
  She was a British posh actress. They're like, we need another
• 25:17
  John Collins. Do we have?
• 25:18
  One yeah, she's buried that yeah yeah.
• 25:21
  And sort of has played lots of trashy TV movies and stuff in.
• 25:24
  Her, I recognized her and like, I was like, I think, yeah,
• 25:27
  maybe. I will say she's criminally
• 25:30
  underused in this movie, yes, because she.
• 25:34
  It's kind of a cameo. Really.
• 25:35
  But whenever she appears, it's just.
• 25:37
  Because she's playing like a romance novel writer, which is
• 25:41
  great. I think I have no point to it.
• 25:43
  And then she looks cool. She's she's fun from the get go.
• 25:46
  Isn't she old Shelly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she looks
• 25:49
  stunning. She's got amazing hair and she.
• 25:52
  Yeah, we see her. Just cut to her, cut to her, cut
• 25:56
  to her. She's in a different fabulous
• 25:57
  outfit each time. And it's like drag levels about
• 26:00
  Oh my God, it's like crazy 80s isn't it nuts?
• 26:03
  It's. No woman ever has ever actually
• 26:07
  looked like this. It's very Adina, absolutely.
• 26:09
  Fabulous. Yeah, Yeah.
• 26:11
  With like a 80s Beverly Hills twist because like, Adina would
• 26:14
  sometimes go sportswear, wouldn't she?
• 26:15
  Yeah. But yeah, it's like.
• 26:17
  Like a big pirate hat. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:19
  Everything's with with Shelly, with Phyllis.
• 26:21
  Everything's structured, everything's cinched.
• 26:23
  Everything's got a bustier, like a train, A glove.
• 26:28
  Yeah, a hat. There was always a hat.
• 26:31
  Everything matches. It's great.
• 26:33
  I'd say like every piece of clothing in this movie is
• 26:37
  objectively ugly and yet wonderful.
• 26:40
  Yes, it's maximalism, isn't it? Yeah, but they are so wonderful.
• 26:44
  Each thing should be archived in a costume museum.
• 26:47
  Absolutely. They are like, yeah, I was
• 26:50
  watching it just thinking like any of those could be like a
• 26:52
  Drag Race runway, though. Totally.
• 26:54
  I mean, they're all yeah, they're, they all look like that
• 26:57
  one drag queen, you know, in LA who's like, hasn't been on Drag
• 27:00
  Race, but like always turns out the look.
• 27:03
  Yeah, but it's like a bit kind of delta work style of drag and
• 27:06
  it's it's great. Yeah.
• 27:07
  It's love it. Yeah.
• 27:08
  So it's from the get go, I'm like OK, it's ticking my boxes.
• 27:12
  Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. I'm like, we're going to be in
• 27:14
  for an easy ride with this. Yep.
• 27:17
  And Shelley Long is playing basically your classic Beverly
• 27:20
  Hills bimbo, I guess. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:23
  She's a socialite. She's rich.
• 27:25
  She's materialistic. She's got Karen's made from Will
• 27:28
  and Grace before Karen has her. Yes, I've got a fact about that.
• 27:32
  That actress is Shelley Morrison.
• 27:35
  She plays Rosario on Will and Grace, and she plays a maid
• 27:38
  called Rosa. In this movie, she's portrayed a
• 27:41
  maid or housekeeper on 32 separate occasions.
• 27:44
  Wow. Isn't that?
• 27:47
  I mean, I presume she's probably made an OK living out of her as
• 27:51
  an actress, but that's fucking terrible.
• 27:53
  Yeah, she's she's dead now, but she had actually.
• 27:57
  It's even sadder. Yeah, she had actually just
• 27:59
  informed her agent not to offer her any more made parts when the
• 28:02
  call came for willing grace, and then that's the one that made
• 28:04
  her famous. Yeah, I mean, at least in
• 28:08
  willing Grace, she had a bit of. Power, but some bite.
• 28:11
  Fucking hell yeah. And it's and I would say that
• 28:14
  she's, you know, well, she's just she's just like the most
• 28:17
  generic maid ever in this, isn't she?
• 28:21
  I hate these portrayals in like Hollywood with any kind of maid
• 28:25
  because they always these kind of comedies always just like
• 28:28
  have them just fully doting and like living off of their life
• 28:33
  and their dramas and like absolutely no personality or
• 28:36
  life themselves. It's like.
• 28:38
  The only thing we get from her, which I did like, was when's
• 28:42
  Rosa back? And then she's like, oh, she's
• 28:46
  in Mexico. Her grandmother died.
• 28:47
  And then the kid goes again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  So that was the one sense you get that she's like, fuck this
• 28:53
  woman. She's playing, but, yeah.
• 28:54
  But then at the same time, you've got her like, there's
• 28:57
  basically this woman is having, what's her name, Shelley Long's
• 29:00
  character again, What is it? Phyllis Kniffler.
• 29:02
  Phyllis, there we go. She's having like a shit time,
• 29:05
  isn't she? Because her husband is going to
• 29:09
  divorce her and she's sort of going through that.
• 29:11
  And then Rosa is getting upset because they're arguing and it's
• 29:14
  for fuck's sake. As if she'd care.
• 29:16
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was an opportunity
• 29:18
  to make that made like Sassy, like like Rosario and Will and
• 29:24
  Grace. But they just decided no.
• 29:26
  Yeah, they're like, no, she'll be, she'll be fawning.
• 29:30
  That's so upsetting. Phyllis Neffler is getting
• 29:34
  divorced from her husband Freddie.
• 29:36
  They've got a daughter. And why are they divorcing?
• 29:41
  Well, it's because he's a workaholic and she spends too
• 29:44
  much money. They're just, there's like a
• 29:46
  divide. Yeah, guys, this is what
• 29:48
  happens. They've been together for a long
• 29:50
  enough period of time and this is just a divide happening.
• 29:52
  I think they're divorcing because yeah, the the stated
• 29:55
  reason seems to be that she's she shops too much.
• 29:58
  Yeah. And then when she calls him out
• 30:01
  for being a workaholic and maybe not present in the relationship,
• 30:05
  he says that she had so much potential, so much greatness.
• 30:08
  She was she was such a creative and then she basically just
• 30:12
  wasted it on going shopping. So he's obviously has pretty low
• 30:16
  opinions of his wife and. Yeah.
• 30:19
  Sucks. He sucks, but then also I'm just
• 30:22
  like, it's just like, oh, privilege, Beverly Hills people
• 30:26
  problems. It's like, oh wow, OK.
• 30:28
  Yeah, totally. But I'm still in.
• 30:30
  I'm still in at this point because I'm like, I think I know
• 30:33
  what's happening. I know where this is going.
• 30:36
  And I'm like, I've seen this kind of movie many times.
• 30:38
  So yeah, I'm in. I'm in.
• 30:40
  I'm still locked in. This is going to be a camp
• 30:42
  classic. Yeah, Phyllis, a bit more about
• 30:45
  her, I guess. She's kind of frivolous.
• 30:47
  Apparently, she loses interest in things quite quickly, but she
• 30:49
  has said that she'll become the troop leader for her daughter
• 30:52
  because she wants to have, like, bonding time with her daughter
• 30:56
  in light of the divorce. Then we meet all the kids in the
• 30:59
  troop. Yeah, I liked this.
• 31:02
  There's like 8 kids. They're all like different rich
• 31:05
  kid archetypes from Beverly Hills.
• 31:08
  And they're like, we kind of meet them one by one.
• 31:09
  It seems like it should be a lot, but they they do a good job
• 31:12
  of like kind of giving all of these kids a different little
• 31:15
  little quirk story, whatever. Each one's like a different
• 31:18
  Spice Girl. Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 31:20
  Yeah. They've all got very good 90s
• 31:22
  hair, yeah. Lots of very side sweep
• 31:24
  blowouts. A lot of side ponies.
• 31:26
  Side ponies. This is where I thought I knew
• 31:30
  what was happening because obviously we meet some of them,
• 31:32
  don't we? And then one of the one of the
• 31:34
  families that we meet, there's like a director guy who's a bit
• 31:38
  like rough and rugged driving and he's talking about these big
• 31:41
  ideas he's got for a film and like the daughters in the back
• 31:44
  being like, dad, dad, you're crazy.
• 31:46
  You're cougar. And I was just like, ah, there's
• 31:49
  someone that's different to old Phyllis.
• 31:52
  Ah, that's going to be the love interest.
• 31:55
  That's what's going to happen. Things are going to happen here.
• 31:58
  Things are going to, she's going to have a downfall.
• 32:00
  She's going to like rough and ready it.
• 32:02
  She's going to meet the director.
• 32:03
  He's going to like unleash creativity in them.
• 32:06
  They're going to end up together.
• 32:07
  And I was like, yeah, OK, this is what's happening.
• 32:10
  You're giving this movie way too much no that.
• 32:12
  Doesn't happen. Doesn't.
• 32:13
  It. But I thought he was the plant.
• 32:15
  I was like, there's the love interest, there's the new
• 32:17
  exciting guy, the one that's going to kind of shake her out
• 32:20
  of this like mold, shake her out of this like materialistic
• 32:23
  privilege is going to kind of get to the root.
• 32:25
  So I was kind of, it's a bit like overboard with.
• 32:27
  Golden Dawn. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Oh, right. That's what I was, sort of, no.
• 32:32
  No shout out to like the racist cop scene.
• 32:36
  Oh, straight away a cab. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
• 32:39
  Like there's a black family who are in the troupe and they're
• 32:44
  all rich, but they get pulled over and the movie is kind of
• 32:47
  making a point to be like, these guys are getting pulled over
• 32:50
  because they're black and then they kind of don't, you know who
• 32:53
  I am out of their way, out of the situation.
• 32:56
  Well, the kids does. The kid does, yeah.
• 32:58
  I thought it was kind of interesting to, like, show that.
• 33:00
  I don't, I don't know if the movie was trying to make a point
• 33:03
  or not. But if I don't know if the movie
• 33:05
  was trying to be like, isn't it funny?
• 33:07
  I don't know. Yeah, And it's like, I don't
• 33:09
  know, I kind of loved, hated the little girl, like, just because
• 33:14
  she's like super sassy, but in a very like stereotypical super
• 33:19
  sassy black girl way. But she's kind of is still
• 33:22
  amazing. She's just like, now daddy,
• 33:24
  shake this man's hand and let him be on his way.
• 33:28
  And I'm like, you're performing the fuck out of this young lady.
• 33:31
  But I'm like, so yeah, I kind of was like, OK.
• 33:33
  Yeah. And then that's where we meet
• 33:36
  Stephanie Beach. Him again.
• 33:37
  Yeah. And so she's asking for advice
• 33:41
  from a kid about how to, like, help her steaming.
• 33:44
  Yeah, she's like, what? His pulsating.
• 33:46
  Manhood rising into a frenzy and then she's like, ah, yes, but
• 33:51
  with a slight tweak, rising into a tulsating frenzy.
• 33:55
  And again I'm like, I'm like, yes, this.
• 33:57
  I'm like, what are we watching? Yeah, sex positive.
• 34:01
  And again, doesn't the kid suggest the word manhood?
• 34:03
  Yeah, the kid comes up with the line.
• 34:05
  She just adds sating to it. So again, so again.
• 34:08
  But I am a bit like, who was this film for?
• 34:12
  It's an adult comedy then. Yeah.
• 34:14
  And then I don't think it is. It's very mannequin in that way.
• 34:17
  Yes, yeah, you're so right. I had the same note.
• 34:20
  Like what? Who is this movie for?
• 34:22
  Is it a kids movie? It's hard to tell.
• 34:23
  Yeah, at this stage, especially hard to tell.
• 34:26
  Pulsating manhood. So then she's hosting.
• 34:29
  She's basically hosting a little get together for all of these
• 34:31
  rich kids. She's got caviar and stuff.
• 34:33
  This outfit is very like typical of her.
• 34:36
  She looks like an Easter basket. Yes, she does.
• 34:42
  Pennies, feathers, flowers, hat. Yeah.
• 34:46
  And she's all, she's all down for, like leading the troop,
• 34:50
  isn't she? But then this is where we find
• 34:51
  out that the kids, no one believes in them.
• 34:55
  No one believes in them. They're, they're the underdogs,
• 34:58
  these rich kids, cow, you know, like the Mighty Ducks or we've
• 35:06
  seen the story before of the underdog kids.
• 35:09
  Well, these ones. Are.
• 35:10
  Yeah, these ones are rich. Yeah, they are like, they are
• 35:14
  super, super rich. Like, this is like, the ultimate
• 35:17
  flaw of this is like that we're meant to feel sorry for these,
• 35:21
  like, incredibly privileged kids.
• 35:23
  Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bizarre choice.
• 35:26
  And The thing is, it's like their problems aren't even that.
• 35:30
  Like when they do have a problem, like there's one
• 35:32
  problem, there's one kid that her dad is like a jobbing actor.
• 35:36
  So she doesn't quite have the money that the others have, but.
• 35:39
  Yeah, they had money, but he's lost it all kind of vibes.
• 35:41
  He's a struggling being actor now.
• 35:43
  But like it's, you know, she can't afford something, so it's
• 35:45
  like someone's just like I'll pay for.
• 35:47
  It Yeah. What are the other arcs for the
• 35:48
  rest of the kids? Well, the they.
• 35:51
  Do all have like a tiny 1? Yeah, but that it's microscopic.
• 35:55
  Yeah. Anyway, we're meant to feel bad
• 35:59
  for these children. I mean, kids have problems,
• 36:01
  sure. But yeah, it is an odd, it's an
• 36:05
  odd ploy for sympathy. As we.
• 36:08
  Watch them all drive up in like incredibly fancy sports cars or
• 36:12
  literal limousine. You know when you see like,
• 36:15
  classic cars doing like the drives and like people are
• 36:17
  standing there like looking at how amazing the cars are, it's
• 36:20
  very MTV Cribs. But yeah, no one believes in
• 36:23
  them. Their troop leaders keep
• 36:24
  leaving. They don't even have their
• 36:26
  Wilderness Girl uniforms because no one's even bothered to take
• 36:29
  them shopping for. That, but also they don't
• 36:31
  believe in uniforms because they're that fucking like, yeah,
• 36:34
  privilege. They argue everything.
• 36:36
  So they're like, it's, you know, going to stop us from losing our
• 36:38
  identity. That's like me at the flare
• 36:41
  opening when I wouldn't put on my wristband.
• 36:44
  Yeah, you were. Refusing to do that.
• 36:46
  Didn't go with my outfit. So she takes them to get their
• 36:52
  troop uniforms, and Phyllis isn't happy because it's ugly.
• 36:56
  Oh, it's it's ugly, cocky, the material is terrible, the fits
• 36:59
  really bad. So she takes her uniform to her
• 37:02
  gay friend in. A panic running.
• 37:03
  Yeah, quite fun. And next we see she's at the
• 37:10
  troop leader meeting and she's had her look tailored.
• 37:13
  She's got a matching Cape. It's a fantastic look.
• 37:17
  Yeah, it looks. Great.
• 37:18
  Like, there's been some real attention to that outfit.
• 37:20
  Like, she looks spectacular. But also, I love it.
• 37:23
  She's late to this thing. She's.
• 37:25
  She's just started. She enters smoking.
• 37:28
  And then she literally as the person speaking, is like,
• 37:31
  talking over them and like getting in the way.
• 37:34
  And she wonders why they don't like her.
• 37:35
  Yeah. Yeah, she's already falling
• 37:40
  afoul of Velda Plunder, who is one of the other troop leaders
• 37:44
  now. Velda.
• 37:46
  She's bold, like coated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:50
  Yeah, she's like real classic 80s villain.
• 37:54
  Yeah, and like, played by like a faceless actor.
• 37:57
  Like I don't know what she's been in before.
• 38:00
  She quit after this and moved on.
• 38:02
  No, she became a director and she's been working ever since.
• 38:05
  Oh yeah, fair play to her. Yeah, can't.
• 38:07
  Remember her name? So sorry to that woman, but but
• 38:10
  she's yeah, like she's kind of like the evil principal in like
• 38:15
  the you know how there was principals always hate kids.
• 38:18
  You're like, why are you this in this job?
• 38:21
  It's like she's also, yeah, she's a troop leader.
• 38:23
  She hates children, she hates privilege.
• 38:26
  She's ex army. She's tough as nails.
• 38:29
  She's got a real fucking chip on her shoulder.
• 38:31
  She runs that troop like it's the Marines.
• 38:34
  Which is how you should run a troop.
• 38:37
  They go on their first camp out unless you've got something
• 38:40
  between. Well, it well is this where we
• 38:44
  well we get a bit of a glimpse into home life as well for
• 38:47
  Phyllis? Yes.
• 38:48
  So, yeah, so the divorce storyline, which is actually the
• 38:53
  key storyline of this film, it's not actually about kids.
• 38:57
  It's not about Beverly Hills. It's not about, you know,
• 39:01
  wilderness brownies. No, it's about divorce, Yeah.
• 39:04
  And the impact of divorce. So and while she is with her
• 39:07
  daughter, she she looks out the window and notices that is a
• 39:11
  mighty fine piece of ass heading to the guest house, which is
• 39:15
  where he's living. Yeah, for that.
• 39:17
  He's seeing Lisa, who is hot, younger and basically, you know,
• 39:23
  he's having his midlife crisis and fucking her.
• 39:25
  So we're seeing her react to that.
• 39:27
  And it's basically like he's a shit, but he's a cute shit.
• 39:30
  She's, she's disgusting with her daughter.
• 39:33
  And essentially they're saying he's going through a phase at
• 39:35
  the moment. And that is how they've decided
• 39:37
  to land on this storyline, isn't it?
• 39:39
  It's like dad is just going off the rails.
• 39:42
  It's what happens and he's going through a phase.
• 39:46
  I hate men. I do like her with the
• 39:50
  binoculars at the window and she does like a comedy fall off the
• 39:53
  balcony. I liked it.
• 39:55
  Yeah, I liked it. But yeah.
• 39:57
  And again, like blame, that's the first thing we should do is
• 40:00
  blame the other woman. Oh my God.
• 40:02
  Yeah, yeah, we should belittle her fake tits.
• 40:06
  Yeah, all of that happens. I.
• 40:08
  Mean. That's just like the rules of
• 40:10
  feminism. I love the other woman though.
• 40:12
  Even though she's just going into a relationship with a man
• 40:16
  that's getting a divorce. So obviously she's the villain
• 40:18
  of this storyline and not him. She's great though.
• 40:24
  She's. Great.
• 40:25
  She does. Brilliant.
• 40:25
  Yeah. And she's she's just a punch bag
• 40:27
  for the entire movie. Totally, she's giving what's her
• 40:31
  face from mannequin. Oh, Roxy.
• 40:33
  She's giving Roxy. Yeah, very Roxy.
• 40:36
  OK, then we've got the first camp out, so Phyllis takes the
• 40:40
  girls camping. It's everything's kind of done
• 40:43
  for them. The girls don't really know what
• 40:44
  they're doing. Why are we here?
• 40:46
  They're reading magazines and then it starts to rain.
• 40:49
  And so they panic and go to the Beverly Hills Hotel.
• 40:54
  Yeah, And I mean, I guess I'll give it.
• 40:56
  I'll give it credit here. This is where you're seeing that
• 40:59
  Shelly is, like a good comedy actress, like, really physically
• 41:03
  throwing herself into it. Like when she's wearing the
• 41:05
  white fur and it's raining and she's trying to save the fondue,
• 41:08
  She's like, covered in mud. She, like, resembles a wet dog
• 41:11
  by the end of it. And you're like, wow, actually,
• 41:13
  she's skilled at this. Yes.
• 41:15
  So she takes them to the hotel. They have like a cute time
• 41:19
  together, but Velda's not happy about this and she's like, you
• 41:23
  need to quit. You're not cut out for this.
• 41:25
  You can't just take them to the hotel.
• 41:26
  She hates these rich bitches, basically.
• 41:31
  But Phyllis is undeterred. And she's going to get these
• 41:36
  girls some merit badges, and she comes up.
• 41:39
  And she just wants to buy them, doesn't.
• 41:41
  She wants to buy them. Where do I buy those?
• 41:45
  She's going to get those girls merit badges.
• 41:47
  So she customizes her own and takes.
• 41:49
  And then we get a montage of the girls earning merit badges for
• 41:52
  things like jewelry appraisal, like styling, learning how to do
• 42:01
  the twist. Like there's a dance, there's
• 42:03
  like a. Whole montage and then they all
• 42:05
  get like a record amount of badges, don't they?
• 42:08
  It's like, this is where I started getting a bit bored.
• 42:11
  I wrote down a time code. I think it was 43 minutes in,
• 42:16
  43.21 seconds in. And it was the same with the
• 42:20
  first time around. I was watching.
• 42:21
  I was like, I am just bored. I want the tropes.
• 42:25
  Where are the tropes? She should not be continuing
• 42:28
  being high flying in these comedies.
• 42:31
  What would have happened by now is she would have been so good
• 42:35
  at like doing them. It's like, oh, you've done so
• 42:37
  great, we're sending you to these girls and this is where
• 42:41
  you need to go or something like that, which would basically
• 42:44
  strip her of all of her status. Yeah, or she loses all her money
• 42:49
  and so she has to. Now we're seeing her without any
• 42:51
  means. And how is she going to cope
• 42:53
  with that? Just like having to deal with
• 42:55
  the other side, like, and that's normally what would happen in
• 42:58
  these films. And I think that's something I
• 43:00
  kind of enjoy. It's like just a trope you feel
• 43:04
  with do you know what I mean? And it's, and then it's just
• 43:06
  sort of oh, how does the like super privileged, super like
• 43:10
  vacuous woman deal in the real world with real kids that aren't
• 43:13
  going to be like hanging off her every word and like, and they
• 43:17
  just don't do that. No.
• 43:19
  And so therefore, it's it's a bit like that review said that
• 43:21
  the thing I get why it's just a bit one note because it's
• 43:24
  already one note. But there's like, what is the
• 43:27
  jeopardy? The jeopardy of this film is
• 43:29
  what's going on with her husband.
• 43:32
  That's it. Who cares?
• 43:34
  I'm sorry, I think it's whether or not they're going to be able
• 43:36
  to sell 1000. Cookies.
• 43:37
  Oh, OK, sorry. That is a high stakes plot
• 43:40
  point. Because then we also get we get
• 43:42
  like another bit where they go back and it's with Phyllis and
• 43:46
  her daughter and another shot of Lisa going in a car and it's
• 43:51
  like, I guess he's divorcing both of us.
• 43:57
  It's like the whole the whole heart of these young women and
• 44:00
  these women that she's leading is just the sadness of dads
• 44:03
  leaving us. Yeah, yeah.
• 44:05
  It's like one of those early, well, it's not even that it's
• 44:08
  89. Like, there's been a lot of
• 44:10
  media about divorce by this point, but yeah, it doesn't
• 44:13
  quite, it hasn't quite figured out like there could be a
• 44:16
  feminist angle to all of this. Well, this is something I when I
• 44:20
  was struggling at the boredom point about like is this camp?
• 44:22
  I like you know, asked googled it like to try and say like an
• 44:26
  argument and then like some AI answer came saying it was it was
• 44:31
  praised for its feminist values. I was like what the fuck are the
• 44:36
  feminist values? I've got thoughts about that.
• 44:38
  OK, Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.
• 44:40
  We'll get to it. But yeah, it's an interesting
• 44:42
  era, isn't it, for divorce. I feel like there were lots of,
• 44:44
  like, these kind of films in the 80s and early 90s where like,
• 44:48
  young kids as part of their storyline.
• 44:50
  It's like, how do we save mum and dad's marriage?
• 44:53
  It's like, listen up, kids. Divorce is a good thing.
• 44:56
  Yeah. Where did where?
• 44:58
  Did everyone realize that actually divorce is the best
• 45:01
  option? Well, he says it in this movie,
• 45:03
  doesn't he? He's like, And you'll be a lot
• 45:05
  less neurotic if you've got happily divorced parents instead
• 45:08
  of unhappily married ones. Which is actually true.
• 45:11
  Yeah, it is actually true. Yeah.
• 45:14
  Yeah. I mean, the rest of the plot
• 45:15
  does just progress how you think.
• 45:16
  The girls are kind of presented with obstacles.
• 45:18
  Will they overcome them or will they not?
• 45:20
  The big one though, as you just said though, is they need to
• 45:24
  sell. Well, it's not Girl Scouts,
• 45:26
  because Girl Scouts did did not want to align themselves with
• 45:29
  this movie. The Wilderness Girl cookies.
• 45:32
  So in order to attend the annual Wilderness girl Jamboree for
• 45:36
  plot reasons, they have to sell 1000 boxes of cookies.
• 45:41
  So it's just like, what plot reason can there be to make this
• 45:44
  other plot thing happen? Who cares?
• 45:47
  But they, I mean, they're struggling to sell the cookies.
• 45:50
  Well, I mean, they're not really, are they?
• 45:51
  Because Stephanie Beecham, when she does pipe head, she's
• 45:53
  literally like, why don't we just buy all of the cookie
• 45:56
  boxes, which is just what they could do.
• 45:58
  Yeah. It's like, she's like, why are
• 46:01
  we doing this? Stephanie Beecham is us.
• 46:03
  Yeah. She's like, why are we going
• 46:05
  through all of this? Like we could literally just buy
• 46:07
  them all now and then we can just have a lovely evening.
• 46:11
  No, instead they do a cookie song on the street which I'm
• 46:17
  rodeo Dr. This. Is what I will say I started to
• 46:19
  warm up again to the film when I really.
• 46:21
  Yeah, because it reminded me of which came after Sister Act 2,
• 46:24
  back in the habit. When they do, they're like big.
• 46:27
  They're singing on the streets, trying to make money and stuff.
• 46:38
  They might be the first sister act.
• 46:39
  Oh. No.
• 46:41
  And out around the world. And she does her James Brown and
• 46:44
  they get the community in and they're performing on the stage.
• 46:47
  But no. So we have this like young, the
• 46:49
  young firecracker black girl, Yeah, in a very cheap Tina
• 46:52
  Turner wig. And they're singing the cookie
• 46:54
  song and. The crowd is going wild.
• 46:57
  And The thing is, they've obviously been able to shut down
• 46:59
  Rodeo Dr. or wherever it is because they've got that much
• 47:01
  fucking money. And again, the whole setup of
• 47:04
  putting that on would have been more than what the cookies cost.
• 47:06
  But it doesn't matter. No, they will say selling
• 47:09
  cigarettes. They're not just selling
• 47:10
  cookies. They go around restaurants,
• 47:12
  they're selling cookies. Cigarettes, they're selling.
• 47:14
  I was like, that's quite. Calm.
• 47:15
  That's funny. Phyllis always has a cigarette,
• 47:18
  which I love. In a holder.
• 47:20
  You don't get that anymore. And then Phyllis hosts a big
• 47:24
  star-studded gala and fashion show.
• 47:27
  And this is where they sell 4000 boxes of cookies.
• 47:30
  Because I know, listener, you're wondering how many cookies?
• 47:32
  They and again, putting on that fucking fashion show.
• 47:35
  I mean the amount of money that has been spent on this sanity
• 47:38
  project. Cookies.
• 47:40
  Yeah, it's. Like.
• 47:43
  There's a lot of 80s celeb cameos here, but yeah, they've
• 47:47
  sold enough cookies to qualify for the Jamboree.
• 47:49
  Thank God I. Know because it's you were
• 47:52
  worried a side note to the fashion show.
• 47:54
  I was kind of into it. I don't think I've really seen
• 47:57
  like khaki and silver lame together when I was like, that's
• 48:01
  quite maybe that's like a forward fashion forward trend
• 48:03
  alert. Yeah, the gold Lemay Cape is
• 48:06
  very nice. Yeah, Yeah.
• 48:08
  And then later in that night, she's got the like blue and pink
• 48:12
  corset top, which kind of looks like the.
• 48:15
  Trans flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:17
  It's nice. She does another fall.
• 48:19
  She falls into a fountain. She this woman falls a lot.
• 48:24
  She's firing herself into it. But yeah, she does a big a big
• 48:26
  gala because they've sold over 4000 things.
• 48:29
  So they're another big party to celebrate handing over, excuse
• 48:33
  me, handing over the check. Oh yeah, I'm mashing up the 2
• 48:37
  girls. They basically they've smashed
• 48:39
  all wilderness girl records ever.
• 48:41
  How have they done that? Meanwhile the other fucking
• 48:45
  wilderness girls are out there doing it the real way, door to
• 48:48
  door. Yeah, they might be cheating.
• 48:50
  They might be like going on different people's turfs and
• 48:53
  territories, you know, sorry, but they are out there hustling
• 48:57
  and grinding. Meanwhile, the Beverly Hills
• 49:02
  troops, they are absolutely backed by this endless cash
• 49:06
  flow, money making machine. Of course they're going to sell
• 49:09
  everything. This is privilege at its finest,
• 49:12
  people. Yeah, I don't.
• 49:14
  I'm not buying the They overcame adversity and use their creative
• 49:19
  ingenuity and like gumption to really do something special.
• 49:23
  No, they've just been handed it on a plate.
• 49:25
  And then even even at this. And meanwhile as well, the
• 49:29
  baddie has sent one of her sidekicks to, like, spy on them,
• 49:32
  hasn't she? But she's even getting seduced
• 49:34
  by the Beverly Hills lifestyle. Why wouldn't you?
• 49:36
  Why wouldn't you want to just be her friend?
• 49:38
  Yeah. And the bit I did like with
• 49:39
  that, with those Stephanie Beecham, like she's getting,
• 49:44
  she's getting like ideas for her next saucy escapade, doesn't
• 49:47
  she? She's got a dictaphone out.
• 49:48
  Oh, yeah. It's like it looks like a good
• 49:50
  party, but really it's a black tie jungle and.
• 49:54
  Oh, I wrote. I'm like why does it say black
• 49:56
  tie jungle in my? Yeah, that's what she so she's
• 49:58
  like. And again, I'm like, I want to
• 50:00
  go to her story. Yeah, because I want to see her
• 50:03
  struggles to write her next erotic thriller.
• 50:05
  Because did you see what one of her books was called Malibu
• 50:08
  Bitch when she did her signing? And I'm like, why are we not
• 50:12
  focusing on Stephanie? Let me beat him in this movie.
• 50:14
  I just want to know. I don't care about these fucking
• 50:16
  Girl Scouts. Get me to her.
• 50:19
  She's out there putting in the research, fucking around Beverly
• 50:22
  Hills and writing all of these books.
• 50:24
  A. Malibu bitch, it's so good.
• 50:28
  But if you can't, if you can't tell already, essentially what
• 50:31
  is happening now is a lot of yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda
• 50:34
  yadda. Like we are like out yadda ring
• 50:37
  ourselves now. Something I did find funny
• 50:39
  though. So all of this shit goes on, but
• 50:42
  essentially what is happening is we are getting Phyllis back with
• 50:45
  Fred, her husband, and they're having a heart to heart at the
• 50:48
  party. And I'm like, he's gay here
• 50:51
  because he's like, there's something different about you.
• 50:54
  I don't know. There's something a bit softer.
• 50:56
  And I'm like, is he referring to her softer beat?
• 50:58
  Because she's got like a little, you know, baby blue eyeshadow.
• 51:01
  She's like looking a lot less harsh.
• 51:03
  And I'm like, he's just commenting on her makeup while
• 51:06
  she's in the trans flag dress. He's like, yeah, he's proud of
• 51:13
  her because he can see that. Like, she's really committing to
• 51:15
  something. She's working hard.
• 51:17
  And then she's coming alive with that.
• 51:18
  She's like, Oh my God, it's happening.
• 51:20
  And he's like, I want, you know, there's something I wanted to
• 51:22
  talk to you about. Yeah, and she thinks they're
• 51:23
  going to get back together. And he says he wants joint
• 51:26
  custody of their daughter. Oh my God.
• 51:29
  Bombshell. Yeah, that's when she falls on
• 51:31
  the fountain. Yeah, it's very Carrie Bradshaw,
• 51:34
  very Sex in the City. Like, oh, I've something
• 51:36
  embarrassing has happened to me, and then I fall.
• 51:42
  You just don't get it. So, yeah.
• 51:45
  So that that's like a key plot point, yeah.
• 51:48
  She then goes on a Bender with Evion water.
• 51:51
  It's hard to imagine a time when Evion was considered that fancy.
• 51:56
  Do you know what I mean? It's.
• 52:00
  Like, yeah, like she's got a crate of evion and it's like,
• 52:04
  right. Yeah, there's like 30 empty
• 52:06
  bottles of Evion lying around her bedroom.
• 52:08
  Did you find that funny? Not really, no.
• 52:10
  Because I'm like, that's the problem with it, isn't it?
• 52:12
  Because it's like, and I think they quote someone like like
• 52:15
  pass me another bottle and it's like, that's a quote from a
• 52:17
  film. I can't remember what the quote
• 52:19
  is, but it's just. Didn't quite work, but it's also
• 52:22
  like it's. So basically if you've not
• 52:23
  watched it, she's rather than drinking alcohol, she's just
• 52:27
  there's empty everyone bottles all over her bedroom.
• 52:29
  She's she's, you know, she's absolutely freaking out and
• 52:32
  she's having a meltdown. She's drinking everyone.
• 52:34
  But like, yeah, it's just like. It's everyone.
• 52:38
  It's kind of, it's like, OK, if you think about it as a kids
• 52:41
  movie, like that's a funny joke for a kids movie, but you're is
• 52:44
  this a kids movie? That's the thing that I don't
• 52:46
  really understand. Velda's still bullying her.
• 52:49
  This is also why she's gone on this Bender because she's
• 52:53
  Velda's like, you should quit. You suck.
• 52:56
  I would so be here for those two had like a lesbian relationship.
• 53:00
  Imagine that's how this movie ended.
• 53:01
  Because it's like power play sex games, isn't it really?
• 53:05
  Because basically what's happened is you've got your bull
• 53:07
  dyke leader, she's in charge, runs the show, tight ship.
• 53:12
  Then we've got this like wild, naughty, privileged woman
• 53:15
  coming. Hello, Princess.
• 53:17
  Yeah, like shaking things up and she doesn't like it, but at the
• 53:19
  same time she's excited by the way she's pushing her buttons.
• 53:23
  Yeah, it's not that, though. That's how I would recast it and
• 53:27
  remake it that. Would be so much better because
• 53:31
  you're about to find out how this ends.
• 53:33
  So we cut to the like final set piece.
• 53:35
  We're at the Jamboree, the annual Jamboree, and it's like
• 53:37
  an outdoor cross country challenge for all of the girls.
• 53:43
  Yeah, orienteering. Yeah.
• 53:44
  The evil Red Feather Troop. They trick Troop Beverly Hills,
• 53:50
  misdirecting them into a snake infested swamp.
• 53:53
  Well, snake infested, there's a snake.
• 53:55
  A snake. Luckily A skunk scares them into
• 53:59
  running through a shortcut and they end up qualifying.
• 54:01
  First backfires on the red feathers.
• 54:04
  Then the next day Velda cheats again.
• 54:09
  They cross a rope bridge and then she cuts it behind her so
• 54:11
  that Troop Beverly Hills can't get across and so.
• 54:16
  Oh, and then and then Velda tries to take them on a shortcut
• 54:19
  and ends up falling and breaking her ankle.
• 54:21
  Yeah, and then her daughter leaves her.
• 54:24
  But she would do. You'd just be like, oh, fuck
• 54:25
  you, wouldn't you? We're gonna win.
• 54:27
  Yeah, So, yeah, because. And that's just really
• 54:30
  demonstrating, like, how they don't really have any team
• 54:32
  spirit or camaraderie, do they? They're just, like, willing to
• 54:34
  abandon their own mother in the woods with a broken ankle.
• 54:39
  But the broken bridge doesn't stop Troop Beverly Hills.
• 54:43
  Shelley gets the bridge repaired.
• 54:44
  She has to walk across a log. Yeah.
• 54:48
  So this is the big set piece of the movie.
• 54:50
  Everyone. The final like sort of final
• 54:53
  moment of the film is there's a log across a bit of a like.
• 54:57
  A ravine. Ravine and it's like she's
• 55:00
  scared of heights and they they call back to her falling out of
• 55:04
  a window earlier but like we really don't get that she's
• 55:06
  scared of heights but no, it's the big thing.
• 55:08
  She's scared of heights. Her daughter who's a gymnast
• 55:11
  wants to do it and is ready to take on the balance beam.
• 55:13
  She's like no, no, no, I'll do it and she's starting to walk
• 55:17
  over this this log and then it gets a bit scary.
• 55:20
  She nearly falls and then her daughter comes to rescue her
• 55:23
  daughter gets her foot stuck and then they basically just walk
• 55:27
  over. I don't even know why I'm
• 55:28
  dragging that out. They walk over a fucking log
• 55:30
  everyone. It's low stakes.
• 55:35
  They fix the bridge. They find Velda.
• 55:39
  And this is where this is where a line that I liked because
• 55:42
  they're like, should we help Velda or should we just win?
• 55:45
  And then because Phyllis has learnt about being a wilderness
• 55:48
  girl is actually about asking responsibly to the kids,
• 55:51
  etcetera. What should we do?
• 55:53
  So she offers up. Should we leave her hair to be
• 55:56
  toyed with? Lonely mounted men?
• 56:01
  All right, Phyllis. To be raped by Lonely Mountain
• 56:04
  it that would not be the first thing I would assume would be
• 56:07
  happening in this situation, by the way.
• 56:09
  Also the snakes, the mountain men of what?
• 56:12
  Beverly Hills of LA. But then they decide they're
• 56:18
  going to save her. Yes.
• 56:19
  So they drag her through the woods.
• 56:21
  The red feathers actually finish first, and they're like, woo, we
• 56:25
  won. But because they don't have a
• 56:28
  troop leader with them, they actually haven't finished.
• 56:31
  And so then here comes Troop Beverly Hills over the finish
• 56:35
  line, taking victory. The girls did it.
• 56:40
  I bet you didn't think they could Listeners.
• 56:42
  But more importantly. More importantly than that.
• 56:45
  Fred's there. Freddy's there and wow, he is so
• 56:50
  impressed with how much Phyllis has changed that he agrees to
• 56:54
  take her back. And of course, she's willingly
• 57:00
  open armed, like, oh, I'm so glad I've made you happy.
• 57:05
  I'm so glad I was able to change sufficiently for you.
• 57:08
  Yeah. And then that's it.
• 57:10
  The end. Yeah, I mean, I wrote down about
• 57:14
  halfway through like, she better not end up with this fucking
• 57:18
  man. Yeah, because there was a moment
• 57:21
  where she was like watching an advert of him and he, she's
• 57:25
  like, oh, he's such a shit, but he's a cute shit.
• 57:27
  Like this better not be setting up them getting back together.
• 57:33
  It's very disappointing. Very disappointing because,
• 57:36
  again, like, you know, I was saying about how desperate I was
• 57:39
  for her to, like, fall off her status and then not to be a big
• 57:42
  thruster. That didn't happen.
• 57:44
  But I was like, at least we can rely on the fact that she's
• 57:46
  going to meet someone else. And that's why I was like that
• 57:48
  director guy. It's going to be him.
• 57:50
  He's good looking. He's a bit different to her.
• 57:52
  She's going to find someone. Yeah, but no.
• 57:54
  I didn't need her to meet someone else and it hadn't
• 57:56
  occurred to me. The director thing I but I
• 57:58
  thought the story was going to be she finds her strength and
• 58:00
  independence. Yeah, and just.
• 58:02
  And and her own power and is like.
• 58:04
  So and you know, and then. He's all of.
• 58:05
  These rich bitch kids have learned well, what have they
• 58:08
  learned? They've learned nothing.
• 58:10
  Privilege wins. Money wins is what we've learned
• 58:13
  from the situation. Maybe a bit of sisterhood.
• 58:16
  Yeah, maybe a bit, yeah, But yeah.
• 58:19
  And so that's what they've learned.
• 58:21
  And in doing this as well, she's also learned I don't need him.
• 58:24
  And actually he's been holding me back.
• 58:27
  And if I'm going to shop, it's because I want to shop and it's
• 58:29
  I'm going to have a fabulous career and.
• 58:32
  Yeah, like I expected him to come crawling back and by that
• 58:36
  point for her to have been like, oh, actually fuck you.
• 58:39
  Yeah, you suck. That would have just been very
• 58:41
  satisfying and also predictable. I wanted.
• 58:44
  That it's the most predictable thing, and yet somehow it does
• 58:48
  something even worse, which is yeah, they get back together.
• 58:54
  So basically he's just been fucking Lisa.
• 58:56
  Yeah. And having a bit of a wobble,
• 58:59
  Yeah. And leaving her with the kids
• 59:02
  and, like, just going off doing his own thing.
• 59:05
  And then when he's had enough of Lisa, he just comes back and
• 59:08
  she's just like, oh, thank God you're back.
• 59:10
  And our family is back together. It feels.
• 59:14
  The lesson is, ladies, if you're listening, if he doesn't love
• 59:17
  you, just work on yourself. Reductive.
• 59:21
  And until he does, yeah, until he does, just keep trying to
• 59:24
  change yourself to. Please.
• 59:25
  And again, it really reminded me of it reminded me of Bette
• 59:27
  Midler in the First Wives Club because that's essentially what
• 59:30
  happens to her in it as well. Now again, you're just like, no.
• 59:33
  Yes, you're so right. There's.
• 59:35
  More than one person out there that hold.
• 59:38
  There's one person for me. Bullshit.
• 59:40
  No. Yeah.
• 59:41
  You have to lay it low and spread it wide.
• 59:43
  There's more out there for you. Get it, get it, get it.
• 59:49
  Fuck around, hang out more with your mates.
• 59:52
  She is like the good time girl she is going around Beverly
• 59:56
  Hills a fucking everyone writing about these sordid escapades.
• 1:00:01
  Go buy all of the fucking cookies.
• 1:00:04
  Let the kids hang out in a hotel.
• 1:00:05
  And next to Miami, bitch, yes. Become Miami bitch.
• 1:00:09
  Go to Miami. Lay it Low and Spread it Wide
• 1:00:13
  could be the title of My Autobiography.
• 1:00:15
  It's so good. Yeah.
• 1:00:18
  It is very disappointing. I mean, and the the whole
• 1:00:23
  privilege of this movie. Yeah, it's it is like, it is a
• 1:00:27
  choice to try and make me care about these kids.
• 1:00:29
  That said, I think this movie is in like a lineage of like your
• 1:00:36
  bimbos. It's got a bit of Romeo and
• 1:00:38
  Michelle. It's got a bit of of and it's
• 1:00:41
  got a lot of Legally Blonde. Yes.
• 1:00:45
  You got into Harvard Law? What?
• 1:00:48
  Like it's hard, but I guess the. Point of this movie is not that
• 1:00:51
  like her commercialism is bad. Yes almost.
• 1:00:55
  And I mean there is a argument to be made about commercialism.
• 1:00:57
  Well, again, she's she's eccentric.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah. Like, she's definitely like, not
• 1:01:02
  your run-of-the-mill type of person.
• 1:01:04
  And with all of those incest. Incest.
• 1:01:07
  In incest eccentricity. Yeah, She doesn't change who she
• 1:01:11
  is at any point. Yeah, she sticks true to who she
• 1:01:13
  is. And if that is because she's too
• 1:01:15
  fancy and too kind of like kooky dooky with all of her money, she
• 1:01:19
  doesn't change. Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  And so that's kind of the the feminist perspective, I would
• 1:01:23
  say on this, if you like squint. But in Legally Blonde, like the
• 1:01:30
  same thing happens where her shitty boyfriend comes crawling
• 1:01:33
  back but she's like fuck you I don't need to.
• 1:01:36
  And like, she's learned her own value and her own self worth and
• 1:01:39
  that's. Also illegally blonde.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, she does have like she she does excel and is excellent
• 1:01:47
  within her job while maintaining her fabulous Beverly Hills.
• 1:01:51
  So there is that. It's like an added layer.
• 1:01:54
  Well. You have to, you have to take,
• 1:01:55
  you have to believe this movie when it says that them winning
• 1:01:58
  the Jamboree is her excelling and her walk across that log is
• 1:02:01
  excelling and her taking them for jewelry appraisals is
• 1:02:05
  excelling. You have to believe that
• 1:02:07
  narrative because it is trying to.
• 1:02:10
  I think a movie is trying to say, like, do you?
• 1:02:14
  It's great. Yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Like, don't be ashamed of, I don't even want to say like
• 1:02:21
  feminine things because it's like such a weird version of
• 1:02:25
  femininity. And it's like so hyper and like
• 1:02:27
  it's kind of bimbo, but it's like, you know, it's like be a
• 1:02:31
  bimbo. It's cool.
• 1:02:32
  Be rich. Be you.
• 1:02:33
  Yeah. Like it.
• 1:02:35
  Because it's just like we are so rich.
• 1:02:38
  We can do whatever we want, when we want to, how we want to.
• 1:02:42
  Like, you know, like what's the worst thing that happens?
• 1:02:46
  They get, they go to a bog. Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  The other thing I was wondering about, like, you could also
• 1:02:53
  imagine a version of this movie where she's, like, a real bitch.
• 1:02:56
  Like, she's Goldie Hawn and Overboard at the beginning of
• 1:03:00
  the movie. She's disinterested in her
• 1:03:02
  daughter. She's very superficial, shallow.
• 1:03:07
  And like, the movie is about her learning to let go of that
• 1:03:10
  stuff. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
• 1:03:12
  It doesn't do that. And like, she doesn't really,
• 1:03:16
  like, she loves her daughter from the beginning.
• 1:03:18
  She's just a bit flighty. Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Like, she's a good mother. Who cares?
• 1:03:23
  Like it's kind of interesting that it doesn't paint her as
• 1:03:25
  this like bad guy ever. No, she doesn't have a like a
• 1:03:30
  floor, She doesn't. There's nothing and.
• 1:03:33
  That's kind of the Legally Blonde of it all as well.
• 1:03:35
  You know what I mean? In one way, it would be more
• 1:03:38
  satisfying if she had that journey, but I can also imagine
• 1:03:40
  them doing it that way and me being like me being frustrated
• 1:03:45
  with the movie for that as well. So like, it kind of couldn't
• 1:03:48
  win. That's true.
• 1:03:49
  But I don't know, I just, I would have liked a bit more of
• 1:03:52
  like a bit more of a journey, some sort of journey.
• 1:03:55
  There's no journey at all. Yes.
• 1:03:58
  Or like just have a real like make her have a real struggle.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah, yeah, really rough it out at the end or something cool.
• 1:04:04
  She should have had not rich kids assigned to her and she
• 1:04:08
  should have had to use her like rich skills with them and like
• 1:04:17
  they all would have learned. They would have learned a lesson
• 1:04:19
  from each other, you know? Yeah, it's tried and tested, but
• 1:04:22
  like, it's like every single film To Wong Fu.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, They, they there's a teachable moment.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, there's like a sharing. They kind of, you know, like in
• 1:04:30
  To Wong Fu, the drag Queens become like, more humanized and
• 1:04:34
  more aware of, like, situations, but then they learn and spread
• 1:04:37
  fabulosity with the. Yeah, there's like no exchange.
• 1:04:41
  It's like we're rich. And we're still rich.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah, and we win. And we don't even need the
• 1:04:47
  shitty trophy that all of you have been training so hard for.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, it doesn't matter to us. And.
• 1:04:52
  For Velda ends up working at fucking Kmart.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah, and she literally is just doing her job.
• 1:04:59
  But yeah. If the movie were braver, you
• 1:05:02
  could call it like or smarter. You'd be like.
• 1:05:04
  This is an interesting analysis of class in America.
• 1:05:10
  The movie is not the. Case I will say one thing like I
• 1:05:13
  really didn't enjoy the film the first time like I hated it.
• 1:05:16
  I would go as far as saying and I do think maybe it's because
• 1:05:19
  it's just not a nostalgic thing for me and I think that is just
• 1:05:22
  something to bear in mind. I think with a lot of these
• 1:05:24
  films because I think when you grow up with stuff and you've
• 1:05:27
  kind of got that like warmth and you're a bit you're a bit you
• 1:05:29
  think about things or you don't think about things at all when
• 1:05:31
  you're younger and you just enjoy it for what it is.
• 1:05:34
  That does kind of help you with these films and I think going
• 1:05:37
  cold to something like this, it's just like I'm wasting my
• 1:05:40
  life watching this. I just was like what is the
• 1:05:45
  point? Yeah.
• 1:05:46
  So because you had said, because I knew that was going and I did
• 1:05:50
  try very hard to be kind to this movie, watching it.
• 1:05:53
  And as a result, like it did go down pretty easy.
• 1:05:56
  Like it doesn't have a lot of it, doesn't have a lot going on.
• 1:06:00
  It's not a particularly thoughtful movie, but like the
• 1:06:04
  star, is really endearing and watchable.
• 1:06:06
  And that's the thing, I watched it on a Sunday morning for my
• 1:06:08
  second, and actually Sunday morning I was in a slightly more
• 1:06:12
  chill headspace. It wasn't like after a busy day,
• 1:06:14
  it was. And I was like, actually, this
• 1:06:16
  is just really gentle and silly and pretty to look at and kind
• 1:06:20
  of a bit kooky. I was like, get over myself.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah. But I think it's the same as
• 1:06:24
  when we do drag as well. I think it's like if you do a
• 1:06:26
  Pride gig, are you actually enjoying in the sweltering heat
• 1:06:32
  getting everyone down on the floor to I want to dance
• 1:06:34
  somebody and then jumping up while everyone's got like
• 1:06:36
  rainbow CS on their faces? Are you actually enjoying that?
• 1:06:40
  No, you're not. Do you hate everything about it?
• 1:06:43
  Probably. But there are people out there
• 1:06:46
  enjoying it, so who am I to shit on them?
• 1:06:49
  You just got to go with it. And that's what I think with
• 1:06:51
  some of these films, it's like people love them.
• 1:06:54
  Do I love them? No, that they probably are camp
• 1:06:58
  and fun to those people. It's a very much on paper, you
• 1:07:02
  could really make the argument for this movie being very camp,
• 1:07:05
  like the fashion, the the Shelley Long of it all the like
• 1:07:10
  arch villain who's lesbian coded.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah. They're like there's some jokes
• 1:07:15
  that are kind of funny, like the pratfalls are funny.
• 1:07:18
  Like, yeah, it it it works for what it is.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah, definitely. It's just it's not like a big
• 1:07:27
  thinker. No, but then I don't want it to
• 1:07:29
  be that every film that we talk about has to be a big thinker.
• 1:07:33
  Like Dumb is Fun. Yeah, you just want.
• 1:07:35
  But like. You want a subversion, and this
• 1:07:38
  is like at least subversion. Imagine if Pamela Anderson was
• 1:07:41
  doing this film in the 90s, right?
• 1:07:44
  I think I'd be more interested in that.
• 1:07:46
  Do you know what I mean? It's like hot Pammy.
• 1:07:48
  Like House Bunny. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:50
  House Bunny is great fun. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:53
  That's the same story. This story is tailors all the
• 1:07:55
  time. This story has been told many,
• 1:07:57
  many times. But again, you know a Goldie
• 1:07:59
  Hawn and I suppose it didn't go more down that road.
• 1:08:01
  Private Benjamin. You see her having to actually
• 1:08:05
  get in the nitty gritty of it all and she gets like mucky.
• 1:08:08
  And then she shows that she's learned all of these amazing
• 1:08:11
  skills and it's kind of like, go you.
• 1:08:14
  There's more to you than this. There isn't more to her than
• 1:08:18
  this. No, but at the movies maybe kind
• 1:08:21
  of saying like that's OK, Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:08:26
  Privilege wins. Privilege wins.
• 1:08:28
  It's very third wave feminism. You know, it's just like you
• 1:08:32
  can, you can just be a woman and that's great.
• 1:08:36
  Yeah. And like, you can have your hair
• 1:08:38
  and nails done and that does not make you a bad person or a bad
• 1:08:42
  feminist. It OH.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, getting back with your shitty husband does, yeah.
• 1:08:47
  I mean, that's just like the rules of feminism.
• 1:08:50
  I also saw this letterbox review, which I think kind of
• 1:08:53
  sums it all up. I'm not wholly uncritical of
• 1:08:55
  this movie because it kind of villainizes more masculine
• 1:08:57
  constructions of womanhood as seen in Velda's character.
• 1:08:59
  But I guess it's also trying to combat the notion that you can't
• 1:09:01
  be feminine and strong. But it's also slimy that we're
• 1:09:03
  asked to sympathize, sympathize with the troops underdog status
• 1:09:06
  because the implication is that they're all ostracized because
• 1:09:08
  they're so rich. But I also love the 80s Beverly
• 1:09:10
  Hills fantasy glam life, and Shelly Long plays it so well.
• 1:09:13
  And the message of that it's OK if you're not outdoorsy was
• 1:09:15
  influential to me. I don't know this movie is a
• 1:09:17
  bop, but it's a non problem. It's not an unproblematic bop,
• 1:09:19
  but it's hard as also in the right place for championing
• 1:09:21
  girls. But it could also be improved
• 1:09:23
  upon. We're only championing a
• 1:09:25
  specific depiction of girlhood, but also one where we can only
• 1:09:27
  do so much. Round of applause.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, we should get them on the podcast.
• 1:09:32
  They really summed it up. I've just, I've just worked out
• 1:09:35
  how I would say save this movie though.
• 1:09:37
  Yes, and 100% this is what I would do.
• 1:09:39
  I would just switch who the main character is.
• 1:09:41
  And I know I've been banging on about Stephanie Veitchan, but
• 1:09:44
  imagine if it's an erotic, sexy writer that is taking on and she
• 1:09:49
  has to do it. And her goofy sidekick, fabulous
• 1:09:53
  friend Phyllis is part of it as well, but as more of a kind of
• 1:09:56
  sidekick role. That makes so much sense.
• 1:09:59
  It just needed A twist. It needed to be something
• 1:10:01
  unexpected. It needed some sex in it.
• 1:10:04
  Really. Like, it needed to be House
• 1:10:05
  Bunny, where it's like a former Playboy star.
• 1:10:08
  Yeah, is now in this situation. And that's funnier.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah. And what does she learn by also
• 1:10:13
  becoming, like, the troop lead with the wilderness girls?
• 1:10:16
  Like what does she learn about herself?
• 1:10:19
  She doesn't learn anything. I guess.
• 1:10:21
  Never giving up on your husband. He's going to stray.
• 1:10:24
  He's going to stray ladies, he's going to leave you.
• 1:10:27
  He's going to find someone younger.
• 1:10:28
  He's going to go for a midlife crisis but don't want to.
• 1:10:31
  He'll come back. If you persevere and better
• 1:10:33
  yourself, he'll he'll come back. Does that happen in Bridget
• 1:10:37
  Jones too? I don't.
• 1:10:39
  I don't think I've ever watched Bridget Jones all the way
• 1:10:41
  through and I won't for this podcast FYI.
• 1:10:44
  Oh, what about? What about Muriel's wedding?
• 1:10:46
  He does that and then the mum doesn't, the mum die and it's
• 1:10:50
  really sad. Can't remember, but probably I
• 1:10:53
  can't remember OK. I don't think there's much else
• 1:10:59
  to say. No, I think we've done well to
• 1:11:00
  talk about it this much. Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Let's rate this movie Merrells and Lizas.
• 1:11:05
  How? How many Merrells?
• 1:11:08
  How? What is the quality of this
• 1:11:09
  movie? 1 to 10.
• 1:11:10
  OK. Shelley Long is funny in the
• 1:11:16
  sense that she's a skilled comedy actor.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah, I like the costumes that I like.
• 1:11:22
  The mention that you had of the 80s fantasy, it was giving me
• 1:11:25
  that. But I mean, there's no plot.
• 1:11:28
  There's no storyline. It's just like money has been
• 1:11:33
  spent on this as well, but like, no care.
• 1:11:35
  It's a really good representation of the story
• 1:11:36
  they're telling. There's like money there, but
• 1:11:38
  it's dead. You're so right.
• 1:11:41
  I'm going to. I'm Stephanie beat him.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah, but we're not talking. I'm going to give it 2.
• 1:11:46
  OK. I think I'll go a little higher.
• 1:11:50
  I think for what it is, it's medium successful.
• 1:11:55
  It's mid tier of what it's trying to be, Yes.
• 1:11:58
  OK, you've seen much better versions of this movie.
• 1:12:02
  You could imagine worse ones. I'm going to give it a four.
• 1:12:05
  OK, fair enough. Yeah, groundbreaking.
• 1:12:09
  Eliza's How camp is this movie? Well, to lots of people, this is
• 1:12:12
  probably a very camp film. Yeah, I struggle.
• 1:12:15
  If I'm bored of a film, then it's just like, I can't be
• 1:12:18
  saying it's camp if I'm bored. I think for like the 1st 20
• 1:12:23
  minutes, I'm going to, I'm going to give it something.
• 1:12:26
  And I think Shelley Long also deserves something.
• 1:12:29
  It's kind of like middle of the road for me.
• 1:12:31
  And if you're in the right frame of mind and like, yeah, you're
• 1:12:34
  on, you're hungover. It's Sunday morning.
• 1:12:36
  Oh, it's great if you're hungover.
• 1:12:38
  Absolutely. I think it's a 5.
• 1:12:43
  Yeah, I was. I thought you were going to go a
• 1:12:45
  little bit higher. Actually, it's definitely not.
• 1:12:47
  I can't go under the camp radar. It's not consistently camp
• 1:12:51
  enough. Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  And I think, I don't know, I like to think the people that
• 1:12:56
  really enjoy camp culture are a bit smarter than this.
• 1:13:00
  It's a bit dumb dumb camp for me.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah, it's a it's, it's like pretty like fun to look at camp.
• 1:13:05
  But it's drag brunch, Yeah. It's like, you're gonna love
• 1:13:09
  this. It's like.
• 1:13:10
  There's nothing subversive about this movie.
• 1:13:12
  There's no. There's no.
• 1:13:13
  Stephanie beat him. Sure, yeah, but.
• 1:13:15
  She. She.
• 1:13:16
  But she's so criminally underused that like, yeah, you
• 1:13:19
  just, you see a taste of her. You're like, oh, why isn't this
• 1:13:22
  more? Definitely.
• 1:13:24
  And so you can't really get queer joy from a story about,
• 1:13:26
  like, a rich woman trying to get back with her husband.
• 1:13:28
  Very like I'm Diane Keaton. OK.
• 1:13:32
  ROP I could imagine Diane Keaton playing this role.
• 1:13:38
  Yes. Yeah, I can act.
• 1:13:40
  Oh, God, yeah. But no, it's a shame because I,
• 1:13:43
  I'm a fan of Shelley Long. I don't know all of her films,
• 1:13:47
  but I do think she's a talented person.
• 1:13:50
  Yeah, but I also get why this is part of I think this when you
• 1:13:53
  look at her IoD and B, this is like the start of the decline of
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  her career and I. Think then she ended up in Brady
• 1:13:59
  Bunch, right? And yeah, that was.
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  Did well and then declined again, yeah.
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  I think she's excellent in this movie, though, like, and she's
• 1:14:07
  much better than the material. Yeah, she elevates the whole
• 1:14:10
  thing. Yeah.
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  So like, good on her. But yeah, I will say I would
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  love, I think for a while we need to put to rest this, this
• 1:14:21
  genre of 80s comedy because it is not giving me what I need at
• 1:14:25
  the moment. Been very disappointed.
• 1:14:28
  I'm I'm very disappointed with those girls, with Kim Cattrall,
• 1:14:31
  with Shelley Long Mannequin, this they are letting the side
• 1:14:35
  down. Yeah, we need something like.
• 1:14:38
  Supergirl. Yeah, now that's subversive.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it definitely need a little
• 1:14:47
  break from the the 80s romps. Yeah, I'm sorry, because I know
• 1:14:52
  lots of people like them, lots of people are loving them at the
• 1:14:54
  moment. But you know.
• 1:14:58
  Maybe we just need like a whole new genre.
• 1:15:00
  Do we need an action movie or something?
• 1:15:02
  Yeah, I think we need to go down that route for a little bit,
• 1:15:04
  that fantasy, because it's just like, The thing is, I think the
• 1:15:07
  whole point of this podcast is there's lots of films that like
• 1:15:09
  on the surface level, you could just go that's camp, that's
• 1:15:11
  camp, that's camp, that's camp. And then it's like, yeah, they
• 1:15:14
  kind of are. But like I want like.
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  Yeah, and that's why this is a 5.
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  I want like quirky, weird camp choices.
• 1:15:20
  We need to take a risk just putting out there.
• 1:15:25
  Well, someone did send me. Actually.
• 1:15:26
  What? Someone, someone sent me.
• 1:15:27
  This is a suggestion. This might be too risky.
• 1:15:30
  We need some Anna Nicole, I think.
• 1:15:32
  Oh yeah, we're talking about that.
• 1:15:34
  Anna Nicole, But this person sent me the gay bed and
• 1:15:38
  breakfast of terror. Oh.
• 1:15:40
  And the tag, I mean, it's I think it's a porno, but the
• 1:15:43
  tagline is you can't check in without getting checked out.
• 1:15:46
  So I don't know. I don't know if this person was
• 1:15:49
  high, if they were drunk, but they were like they sent it to
• 1:15:52
  me and then they said, honestly, Camp classics legendary, it's
• 1:15:56
  300% better than you think. So I don't know, maybe it's a
• 1:16:00
  bit too niche. I definitely don't think
• 1:16:04
  anyone's seen that one, but maybe that's OK.
• 1:16:08
  Yeah, porn then. Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Yeah, well, let's go. Let's let's, let's take a pivot.
• 1:16:14
  Let's find some weirdo traces. OK, and now for something
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  completely different. Thank God it's needed.
• 1:16:22
  Thank you for lasting this song everyone.
• 1:16:24
  Here's my interview with Lorraine Get.
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  Away from her, you bitch. Blasting.
• 1:16:34
  He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
• 1:16:37
  right before she died. prostitute or a dog at it I.
• 1:16:47
  Still love doggy chow. I love doggy chat.
• 1:16:52
  Too. You want me to hold it like
• 1:16:53
  this? I love.
• 1:16:54
  I do I do this. Is hi, hey you.
• 1:16:59
  Hey. I'm here with Loreen A2 time
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  Eurovision winner, queen of Bangers.
• 1:17:04
  Thanks for being here. Did you hear that, Queen of
• 1:17:07
  Bangers? Queen of Bangers.
• 1:17:08
  Welcome to Camp Classics. Thank you, happy to be here.
• 1:17:11
  Yeah, I wanted to start by asking you about your new music
• 1:17:14
  video, which is iconic, giving Dark Phoenix, it's giving
• 1:17:19
  Showgirls, Crystal Connors coming out of the volcano.
• 1:17:22
  Yes, what? Was the inspo.
• 1:17:24
  Oh God, the inspo I oh, that, that the rising phoenix.
• 1:17:32
  Well, you know, I, I just knew. I don't know, it's weird because
• 1:17:35
  I just knew that I needed to be on fire because of the storyline
• 1:17:38
  of the of the of the video as well as the song.
• 1:17:42
  And I just like how much fire can we have?
• 1:17:45
  And the director say, do you want full, full body?
• 1:17:47
  I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I want.
• 1:17:50
  He's like, OK. Was that all real?
• 1:17:53
  No, I mean, yes, it was real. That was bad.
• 1:17:57
  And there are ways. There are ways.
• 1:17:59
  There are ways to do it. Like obviously you can burn
• 1:18:02
  something up and you can add that into an actual, you know,
• 1:18:05
  scene. Yeah, I knew that.
• 1:18:07
  You know, the character. I'm saying character.
• 1:18:09
  It's not a character. It's actually all of us.
• 1:18:11
  But let's just call it the character that I'm playing.
• 1:18:14
  Obviously, it's it's based on a story that I used to hear as a
• 1:18:17
  child. You know, it was just an entity
• 1:18:20
  coming to Earth and experiencing the human experience for the
• 1:18:23
  first time. Of course.
• 1:18:25
  Hello. But so she has this like, you
• 1:18:28
  know, so that's basically why fire is so uncontained.
• 1:18:32
  She's she's just very much. That's so cool.
• 1:18:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes. And just being a bit confused
• 1:18:40
  about where she's at and what is going on.
• 1:18:43
  We love that. We love that.
• 1:18:44
  We love that. Where do you get your references
• 1:18:46
  from? Life, Yeah, yeah, definitely
• 1:18:49
  life. You know, in this case, this is
• 1:18:51
  very much a reflection of what is going on in the world.
• 1:18:53
  I mean, I say the world, but you know what we're going through
• 1:18:56
  all of us now in the world today.
• 1:19:00
  I mean, feels like heaven, which is the song you're talking
• 1:19:02
  about. That's that's very much a song
• 1:19:04
  about. It's very much like
• 1:19:08
  understanding that heaven is not a place.
• 1:19:10
  It's actually a state of mind, you know, And, you know, we
• 1:19:12
  actually can create our reality. We do all the time.
• 1:19:16
  And, you know, and we're in control there.
• 1:19:19
  We choose. This is going to sound so, so,
• 1:19:21
  so crazy, but I believe we can choose our emotions.
• 1:19:24
  We can choose paths. Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah. So that's basically what the
• 1:19:27
  song is about. Oh yeah.
• 1:19:30
  That's kind of the queer experience, too.
• 1:19:32
  It's like figuring out, you know what?
• 1:19:36
  You don't necessarily have the same path as everyone else.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, you have to choose your own.
• 1:19:40
  Yeah, You have to choose your own.
• 1:19:42
  We always do. We have to, you know, it's
• 1:19:44
  really, yeah, we have to and have to stay authentic to
• 1:19:47
  ourselves. It's like it's so important and
• 1:19:50
  it's, it's and it's gonna happen.
• 1:19:51
  It's happening all the time. You know, that's that's how the
• 1:19:55
  universe works. Love that you're such a visual
• 1:19:58
  artist. How like how do visuals come to
• 1:20:00
  you when you're? Creating songs like, is it all
• 1:20:02
  kind of part of the same thing? Do you see the visuals at the
• 1:20:05
  same time as you're making the music?
• 1:20:06
  Yeah, exactly that, exactly that.
• 1:20:08
  Instantly. And not even.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah, I just, I see visuals when I hear sound.
• 1:20:13
  It doesn't have to be a finished song.
• 1:20:16
  It could just be a vacuum cleaner going and I'm like, I'm
• 1:20:20
  seeing a world, you know, is that.
• 1:20:21
  What the sound is? At the beginning of euphoria.
• 1:20:27
  Yeah, but you know, no, it actually I do that purposely.
• 1:20:31
  All the sirens are there to neutralize the room because
• 1:20:35
  there are certain frequencies that neutralizes the space.
• 1:20:38
  It's like it's always like a go into a meditation and you hear
• 1:20:40
  the gongo bong, you know, and what it does is like there are
• 1:20:44
  these like lower frequencies, the really bassy ones.
• 1:20:47
  It just grounds you and centers you.
• 1:20:49
  So whatever distortion happened before that boom, now you're
• 1:20:54
  focused. You're in the room.
• 1:20:55
  Now you're you're you're present I've.
• 1:20:57
  Only done a gong bath once and it was like day five of Burning
• 1:21:01
  Man and I yeah, my brain was not in the right.
• 1:21:03
  Space really to receive it correctly, Really.
• 1:21:06
  Yeah, because sound bath is amazing.
• 1:21:08
  Yeah, I need to. Try it again.
• 1:21:09
  Yeah. And it needs to be a space that
• 1:21:12
  you feel, you know, obviously safe and, you know, inspires
• 1:21:16
  you. Some space is just like this is
• 1:21:19
  not me, right? Right.
• 1:21:21
  So you're on Camp Classics. It's a podcast about camp
• 1:21:24
  movies. As someone in the queer
• 1:21:26
  community, what does camp mean to you?
• 1:21:29
  What camp means to you? Yeah, are you familiar with the
• 1:21:31
  word? This is a language barrier,
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, you just have to help. Me out, I'll tell you.
• 1:21:36
  So camp to me. We describe it as something that
• 1:21:39
  unlocks queer joy, is kind of stupid fun.
• 1:21:41
  It's reclaiming. It's like you ever seen the
• 1:21:44
  movie Show Girls? Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Yeah, that's camp. OK, OK, OK.
• 1:21:49
  I got it. I got it.
• 1:21:50
  Yeah. It's mommy dearest.
• 1:21:51
  It's, I don't know, it could be Mean Girls.
• 1:21:55
  OK, that's my camp. You I mean.
• 1:21:59
  I think you have campness because you bring so much
• 1:22:04
  theatricality and intensity and visuals and all of that.
• 1:22:08
  Yeah, but sometimes camp can be used as a bit of a pejorative.
• 1:22:12
  And it's like. You're trying for something and
• 1:22:14
  you miss. Yeah, and I don't think you ever
• 1:22:15
  miss. OK, so.
• 1:22:17
  I'm gonna be careful and I'm gonna say you have camp
• 1:22:20
  leanings. OK cuz it does sound like pretty
• 1:22:23
  cool when you say oh that's so calm.
• 1:22:25
  It is I. Was like OK.
• 1:22:26
  It can be both a compliment and an insult.
• 1:22:29
  It's kind of an amazing word. I do love the idea of being
• 1:22:32
  camp. OK, well then.
• 1:22:33
  We changed the whole like I'm camp.
• 1:22:36
  I mean, you're giving camp today really insulting answers.
• 1:22:40
  I love it. OK then, how about this one?
• 1:22:42
  So one thing we talked about on the podcast a lot is things that
• 1:22:46
  unlock queer joy. Yeah.
• 1:22:48
  What does that for you? What unlocks your queer joy?
• 1:22:50
  Oh, God, you know me. I'm a spiritual situation.
• 1:22:55
  OK, So what unlocks my queer joy?
• 1:22:58
  It's just like I'm gonna be deep.
• 1:22:59
  Like it's just living my truth. Like just be allowing myself to
• 1:23:02
  be whatever I am at the moment. That's that's actually real deep
• 1:23:07
  joy. For me.
• 1:23:07
  Love that. Yeah.
• 1:23:09
  And do you have, is there anything like in media ever that
• 1:23:11
  you see that you're like, oh, that makes me feel like seen or
• 1:23:15
  excited? Like for me, it's seeing like
• 1:23:19
  female villainy, like a woman who's gone over the edge and
• 1:23:23
  she's. Like, Oh yeah, OK, she's.
• 1:23:25
  Dangerous. She doesn't give a shit.
• 1:23:26
  Anymore. Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  OK. Got you.
• 1:23:28
  That's my career, joy. Yeah.
• 1:23:29
  OK. I get.
• 1:23:30
  OK. In that case, I can definitely
• 1:23:32
  tell you that Sarah O'Connor at Terminator.
• 1:23:34
  That's my plan. Young or Tarantino killed Bill.
• 1:23:38
  What's her name? Thurman Fellow.
• 1:23:42
  The bride. I can so.
• 1:23:43
  Relate. I'm actually.
• 1:23:44
  So you're so Sarah Connor now I think about it, Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Yeah yeah, I love Babs yeah exactly.
• 1:23:51
  I think I subconsciously like always wanted like when I saw
• 1:23:55
  that characters was like I can relate to that.
• 1:23:57
  Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of something warrior ish with her
• 1:24:00
  she's. Not lesbian icon.
• 1:24:01
  Actually, yeah, yeah, we love that.
• 1:24:03
  We love. What is your favorite music
• 1:24:07
  video of all time? My favorite music video of all
• 1:24:11
  time. Or you can shout at a couple.
• 1:24:12
  Oh God, I'm like my, my head is just like spinning because I'm
• 1:24:15
  like music videos. I was born and raised under a
• 1:24:18
  fucking rock. I'm like, did I even have it?
• 1:24:21
  OK I I really love Frozen with Madonna but I don't know if it's
• 1:24:26
  the song or is it the video? The video.
• 1:24:28
  Is gorgeous. Isn't it when she just, you
• 1:24:30
  know, she's? Transforming into like dogs and
• 1:24:33
  Ravens. Yeah, we love that.
• 1:24:34
  Yeah. Actually, that's very witchy.
• 1:24:36
  Yeah, very. Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah. Isn't it?
• 1:24:40
  Yeah, like and she's in a desert scape.
• 1:24:42
  Love that. Yeah, perfect.
• 1:24:43
  I feel at home, like, yeah, there you go.
• 1:24:45
  Yeah. Perfect.
• 1:24:46
  I channeled that one. I wasn't sure it was well done.
• 1:24:49
  OK, now that you know what Campy means, do you have a favorite
• 1:24:53
  campy Eurovision performance? Because I think what's amazing
• 1:24:57
  about your performances at Eurovision is you cut through
• 1:25:00
  the camp with like, theatricality, kind of
• 1:25:04
  sincerity, like. Beauty.
• 1:25:06
  Strength, but. Obviously Eurovision is also
• 1:25:09
  known for like silly, campy, over the top ridiculous.
• 1:25:14
  Yeah, there was actually one performance that Rylan and Scott
• 1:25:19
  Scott showed me the other day, and they're like, that's cap.
• 1:25:21
  And I'm like, that's cap. And there was a British, this is
• 1:25:25
  a British song. And they were just they were
• 1:25:28
  dressed up as flight attendants. Yeah, they're called.
• 1:25:33
  They're called What are they called?
• 1:25:35
  Scooch. Scooch.
• 1:25:37
  Scooch. Flying the flag.
• 1:25:38
  Flying the flag, that is camp. That is so camp.
• 1:25:42
  I'm like, they were like, this is camp.
• 1:25:44
  I'm like that's camp. Oh my God, this is so camp.
• 1:25:46
  I should have just said that when I was trying to define
• 1:25:48
  camp. That was very, very camp.
• 1:25:52
  Yeah, so good, great answer. I love.
• 1:25:54
  That thank. You Do you have a favorite
• 1:25:57
  representation of queerness in film?
• 1:26:01
  Well, I just gave you my favorite.
• 1:26:02
  Okay, representative. Hello, you start first so
• 1:26:06
  that'll give me some time. So if you've seen Showgirls,
• 1:26:09
  Crystal Connors, and that is like a bisexual icon, Yeah.
• 1:26:12
  And Gina Gershon, who plays her. Have you ever seen Bound?
• 1:26:15
  No. My God, that's a lesbian like
• 1:26:18
  noir thriller. It is so good.
• 1:26:21
  And if you're into Sarah Connor, you'd be into Gina.
• 1:26:23
  Gershwin Really. Is it a?
• 1:26:24
  Is it a happy ending? Please tell me Yes because I'm.
• 1:26:26
  Yeah, it's, it's it's tense, but she plays like a Butch plumber.
• 1:26:30
  Yeah. And she's like, hot.
• 1:26:32
  And OK, Buff. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:35
  What was the name of the movie? Again, bound.
• 1:26:36
  It's kind of, it's a little bit bondage.
• 1:26:39
  It's like lesbian bondage, love. It's got Jennifer Tilley.
• 1:26:42
  Do you know who that is? She voiced.
• 1:26:45
  The bride of Chucky. OK, yeah.
• 1:26:47
  I just feel like I need to hang a little bit more with you
• 1:26:49
  because there's so much I need to learn.
• 1:26:51
  Oh my God. OK, last question, Yeah, So we
• 1:26:55
  on the podcast, we have a suggestion sack.
• 1:26:57
  Our listeners suggest movies that they think we should cover.
• 1:27:02
  Do you have a movie that we should add to the suggestion
• 1:27:05
  sack? The suggestion, yeah.
• 1:27:09
  Now that you're an expert on camp.
• 1:27:11
  Yes, now that I'm like by the crash course on Camp Jesus
• 1:27:15
  Christ, wait, you're just putting me on the spot here
• 1:27:18
  because I'm that spiritual person when the Carly looks at
• 1:27:21
  TV like I'm like I'm like hugging trees and and meditating
• 1:27:25
  with like crystals and stuff like that and he's putting me on
• 1:27:28
  the spot. What movie?
• 1:27:29
  The only thing that comes up is like Tarantino, Tarantino,
• 1:27:32
  Tarantino, Tarantino A. Great suggestion.
• 1:27:35
  Right. Let's pop Kill Bill in.
• 1:27:36
  Or maybe Pulp Fiction. Oh fuck.
• 1:27:40
  Fiction is really nice too, but if I had to choose I would
• 1:27:43
  probably choose Kill Bill anyway.
• 1:27:44
  That is a camp. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:47
  That is just like women fucking each other up.
• 1:27:49
  Big time. Yeah, we love that.
• 1:27:51
  Yeah, not actually the fucking each other up, but but you know,
• 1:27:54
  sometimes. We love it.
• 1:27:56
  Vivica Fox like that. Fight her.
• 1:27:58
  Between her and Uma Thurman, that is cinema.
• 1:28:01
  And they're hot, both of. Them they're both really hot.
• 1:28:03
  Yeah, it's not, it's. And Lucy Liu.
• 1:28:05
  Yeah. Hello.
• 1:28:06
  Hello. It's a crime.
• 1:28:07
  Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  No, yes. OK, Kill Bill.
• 1:28:11
  It's in the suggestion sack. Yes.
• 1:28:14
  Thank you for being here. Congrats on the new album, I
• 1:28:16
  can't wait to hear it. Thank you, love.
• 1:28:17
  Thank you so much. Thank you for having.
• 1:28:19
  Me, yeah. For the crash and for the crash
• 1:28:21
  course on camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp.
• 1:28:25
  I'm clipping that up. You are.
• 1:28:28
  I know. Get away.
• 1:28:31
  Away from her, you bitch. Classic.
• 1:28:35
  He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
• 1:28:39
  right I used to love doggy chow too.