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Into the Spider-Verse · Cage Match: A Roundabout Way of Meeting Nicolas Cage

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Oh God. Oh my God. imagine that rachel's helmet
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would fit your ginormous like no it does not
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it does not go all the way down on my head no
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very much at the very top point of his head but
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it's also not big enough for me to put the headphones
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on underneath yeah it was the bit didn't work
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well enough we were gonna have you yell real
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loud oh hey benjamin franklin gates hello i'm
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so glad we've done this great visual comedy work
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on our podcast. Our audience understands. It's
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been four years and we still don't understand
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how this medium works. I think we're crushing
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it. We could probably start doing video episodes
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because I just barely edit anymore. Throw it
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up as it is. Harder to run with that, but I can
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figure it out. Has it gotten better or because
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you've stopped caring? It can be a little bit
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of both. I would say mostly I care less. Season
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three is different though. Like when we were
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having to do the head to head stuff, it mattered
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more structure, all that kind of thing. There
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was a little, a little more that we had to pay
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attention to. This is a little more free form.
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This is like jazz. I love myself some jazz. That's
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fantastic. So how did you forget that you're
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running a race tomorrow? It's not that I forgot.
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It's a Cinco de Mayo fun run. And tomorrow is
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Tres de Mayo. All right. All right. I'll give
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it to you. Cinco de Mayo. That's actually a fair
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comeback. I'll give them that one. This is what
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I get for, you know, trying to speak in the devil's
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tongue. Oh, Diablo's tongue. Yeah, right. I spent
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all week on that joke. It shows. Didn't watch
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the movie. Yeah, didn't watch the movie. Just
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like Nick. Speaking of things I've wasted my
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time on, welcome back to Cage Magical and a roundabout
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way of meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm Sean, here with
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my co -host. I'm Sean. Here with my co -host.
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I'm Sean. I'm Sean. I'm Seanicus. Yes, we are
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all Sean. Now, everybody say a slur. I'm Sean
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and I approve this message. I'm not doing much
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with it. And, you know, I don't know. At this
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point, I actually have decent credit, so don't
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don't fuck with it. Yeah, we don't want to mess
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with your IMDB either. Of course. Yeah, that's
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pretty important to have that. Yeah, your star
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power is on the rise again. So, Bill. I genuinely
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cannot remember. Have you ever been on the podcast
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before? I have not been on the podcast before.
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I was just talking to Peter. How many nervous
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poops did you have? About three, I believe. So
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it was good. And then took Jarvis on a walk and
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he had two. So we are all empty. It's good. We're
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going to go. Perfect timing. I love that. Yep.
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We're going to have a real like a race to get
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you three appearances on the podcast before everybody
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gets three. I was going to say I was listening
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to last week's show this morning and I was like,
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oh, no, we got number one today, but I have to
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get two more. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be tight.
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I feel like John has I feel like John's had more
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than three. John or Oric have had the most, I
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think. I think it's been John because I think
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John's also was on. He's done like three actual
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episodes and he was on long legs as well. Oh,
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that's right. Yeah. Good old long legs. Yeah.
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I haven't missed an episode and it's definitely
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those two that I've, I've heard the most often
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as guest stars. Yeah. Although Hornback starting
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to stick out too. Yeah. Speaking of long legs,
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spiders. I'll give it to you. That was almost
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one of the better ones I've heard from you. Well
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done. Long legs. Perfect. Speaking of daddies,
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this movie is for all the daddies. We're also
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talking about Into the Spider -Verse. Yes. We've
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got Chris Pine, Fat Spider -Man. Jake Johnson.
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Jake Johnson. Love him. He's great. And Nick
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Cage. And crazy, coked -out Uncle Spider -Man,
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John Mulaney. All the daddy spiders. Ooh, can
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I get my Sean in 60 seconds out of the way? Yes.
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Oh, hey. All right. it's great this movie's still
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awesome go watch it do you want to say anything
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else with your extra time six seconds no i fucking
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i tried to write something for this one i'm like
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no this is a good movie i can't i'm not gonna
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make this funny so just fucking go watch it it's
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still amazing I paid for a minute, Sean, in 60
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seconds. I only got six seconds. Come on now.
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What are you going to give me with that last
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50? You got to say it 10 times now. Perfect.
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Excellent. Oh, this is good. Peter hasn't had
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a reason to cut content in a while. Just keep
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it up. Keep it up. Here we go. Editing. Nailing
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it. Mute entire track. I only have one critique
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about this movie, and that's the fact that it
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sounds like everyone recorded their dialogue
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underwater. The sound mixing on this movie, not
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great. Everything else, perfect. Could that have
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been maybe an artistic choice? They're all wearing
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masks. Yeah, they're wearing masks, plus the
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art is so beautiful in this. maybe it's genuinely
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sounds like it at times where they're just standing
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way too far away from the mics but everyone like
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i've watched this movie like seven times and
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this is the first time i watched it with like
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subtitles and i'm like i never knew they were
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saying half that shit i need this i never i'm
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41 years old i have to have this i just always
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have them on too yeah so i guess i never really
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have paid that much attention to it yeah i never
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caught me as uh being bad everyone's like everyone
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sounds either like extra mumbly or just like
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slightly like removed from like where i feel
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like their voice should be at i don't know it's
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just got a weird sound mix i i think at this
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point we need to stop holding people to our quality
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of audio this audio honey right yeah we we're
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really laying it on thick we're good we nailed
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it boom we're professionals that's true but other
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than that movie is fucking spectacular um it
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is it's a really good movie you're wrong and
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yeah rachel's not like super huge on animation
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and she was sort of watching while doing some
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work next to me and then got sucked in by it
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for sure yeah the animation style of this is
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just so incredible it's so cool it's it's something
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else that's the only like gripe that i i've read
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about this is that the artists got like overworked
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which that's no shit like of course they did
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yeah but you know it it shows it's really good
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it's very very cool I think that might be the
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other critique, then, is it's going to take way
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too long to get part three out because they're
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so... I heard it got delayed a couple times because,
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well, and now with everybody getting fired over
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in Marvel and stuff these days, it's like...
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Well, this is still Sony. This is still Sony,
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so it will be a little different. Okay, good.
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Hey, you're giving me hope. That's good, because
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they left us hanging after the second one. But
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that's not the movie we're talking about. There
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was an interview with Lord and Miller where they
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talked about the third film and why it's taken
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so long. And what they said was, they knew the
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second movie they had too much story for one
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film so like we'll make it two films then they
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finished the second film went into production
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for the third and they're like oh we have a third
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act we don't have a full movie so they pretty
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much needed to like extend out the ending of
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the second movie to be a full movie so they needed
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to find like a story within it to tell a full
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arc Well, give us the story of this one. OK,
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we will talk about the first one, not the second
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one, which embarrassingly enough, I had to ask
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Peter, which one is it for sure? He's like the
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one Nicolas Cage is actually in. He'll be in
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the third one. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, story
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opens. I won't have the right. earth name but
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it opens with a spider -man and that's the chris
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pine spider -man that sean brought up and uh
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the one and only the one and only spider -man
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and talking about how great it is to be spider
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-man kind of goes through some of the history
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of the spider -man what we've seen in the past
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which was was kind of a fun little nod to some
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of the history he has a so -so popsicle Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Golly. I was like, oh, I actually would
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try that Popsicle, though. And a Christmas album.
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Good for him. Yeah. So we start off with that
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world. Spider -Man. Spider -Man. And then it
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shows us Miles Morales starting another week
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or so at this school that he does not want to
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go to. But his dad drops him off. They go to
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school. And then he hates. I've got to just.
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I like this cop. I thought about, I was, I was,
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I finished my run and yeah, I wasn't sure when
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to bring this up. And I don't know if you'd call
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miles a kid, but this is one of the few times
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in the history of this podcast. Good cop. Good
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kid. Yeah. It might be the old time. It was honestly
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racking my brains to think. Cause there've been
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times there've been like, Oh, there's a sneaky
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good kid or, Oh wow. This cop actually did the
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right thing. No, no good cop. Good kid. Cause
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even when he was kind of mad at Spider -Man.
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He was not like, oh, good. He's well, spoiler
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alert. He's dead. Yes. He was like. So like and
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then with the new Spider -Man, he was going to
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work with him, too. He didn't love it, but he
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was actually like willing to be like not bend
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his morals, but like, OK, I'm not too good for
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you. I will work with you. So that was really
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nice to see that they've created a good cop.
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Yeah. So that was nice. Well, Spider -Man did
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say, I love you. That's true. We can definitely
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see why this cop hasn't made detective yet. Cause
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he's not good at like figuring shit out. That,
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that, that too as well. So then Miles goes to
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blow off steam with his uncle, Aaron, and does
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some graffiti art. Who's very good at, and what
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happens? The usual Spider -Man thing gets bit
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by a radioactive spider. Not sure why it had
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number 42 on it, but. maybe one of y 'all know
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jackie robinson oh perfect thank you that makes
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sense miles morales is uh oftentimes hit up with
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that number 42 so you see it a couple times in
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the movie like when he when miles falls yes there's
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the 42 next to him it's all a nod to jackie robinson
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that's cool i didn't know that yeah i didn't
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i i honestly thought you're pulling my leg at
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first uh no that is yeah so he gets bit obviously
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the spider -man stuff starts to happen sports
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i love that first thing though when he gets bit
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and then it's just sort of like yeah and that's
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a quick slap spider dead goodbye you did your
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job since we're just going into a little bit
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of the history of uh miles morales uh comes from
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the ultimate comics universe um brian michael
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bendis had written the entirety of uh ultimate
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comics spider -man and when he was kind of figuring
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out what to do with the character and i think
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at this point they knew they were gonna kill
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peter parker um but he has adopted uh daughters
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who are black and he was talking to them and
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they were like how come we don't have a spider
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-man he's like you're right how come you don't
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have a spider -man and that's where he came up
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with the idea of doing miles oh that's awesome
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i love that uh okay so miles has been bitten
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he goes to school the next day he's got all this
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like oh what's wrong with me powers and that's
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where we're too small the high waters Did I hit
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puberty? Why did I say that out loud? Why am
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I so sweaty? Yes, that's what I ask myself every
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day. I don't think I'm going through puberty
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anymore. Yeah, I didn't know internal monologue
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was a Spider -Man power, but apparently that's
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part of the game. Another fun thing about that
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is the comic book thing that they lean into with
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the little things popping up like they would
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in a comic book. I was like, okay, that's a cool
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little artistic thing that y 'all did there.
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Yeah. The style of this is very good. Yeah. More
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of this. please. That's where we meet. Gwanda.
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Gwanda. Gwanda. Gwanda. Your name's Gwanda? She's
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South African. Couldn't help but think of my...
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But I grew up here. A little nod to the Avengers
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2, which I was like, okay, that's kind of fun.
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But anyway, we meet Gwanda and we find out that
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he can't control the stickiness of his hands.
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Me too, dude. Halfway out. I knew that that one
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wasn't... That was going to get hit by something.
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And so we meet her and he's still freaking out
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then. Oh my gosh. Where do we go from like, all
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right, help, help pick me up here. So, I mean,
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just like, there's a fun scene in that is, you
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know, he, he goes in the security cop guy is
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like, Hey, where'd you go? Morales. He's like,
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Oh, play dumb. who's morales and then he ends
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up in his office you know he sneaks out the window
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walks on the wall when he gets back to his apartment
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he's trying to figure out what happens he finds
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a spider -man an issue of spider -man that has
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the origins of spider -man which just bugs me
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i'm like so spider -man's told his story and
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I'm assuming within the comics has a secret entity
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that isn't Peter Parker, but it's Peter Parker's
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origin story. Hmm. I've never liked that. I found
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a plot hole. Right. Yeah. That's actually a good
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point. It's silly and it's always bugged me.
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Yeah. I'm taking too long to get us through here.
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So now he wants to go see his uncle Aaron. That's
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part of the show. Sean cheaped out on Sean in
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60 seconds. There's the other 50 seconds. You
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got 55 seconds. All right. So now he's at least
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gotten himself unstuck from everything. And he's
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like, who do I trust? Uncle Aaron. I'll go see
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him again. Ghost finds the spider. He's like,
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oh, okay. Still there. Still dead. And that's
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where we first get, well, reintroduced to Peter
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Parker as he is fighting something not far from
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where Uncle Aaron lives. What do you think of
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the Green Goblin creature? Thank you. I'm confused
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by that. Is that a comic thing? That's the Green
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Goblin from the Ultimate Universe. Oh, he's that
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big? Yeah. Oh, he's a big boy. I did the IMDb
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search for this one, and I already knew the voice
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cast for this was great. I didn't realize that
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was Jorma from Lonely Island. Yeah. Yeah, that's
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really cool. Nice. A little Andy Samberg love
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right there. But yeah, what, his three lines
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he had, and three of them or two of them are
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growls. Like, I thought that was kind of an interesting
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take. But I liked it and still called him Norm.
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So obviously it's the right guy. And then we
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get to them fighting for what was the big machinery
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called again? Super Collider. Super Collider.
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That's right. Which I think looks cool as hell.
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It's really cool, yeah. And they get in a battle.
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Well, Miles doesn't. Miles is trying to hide.
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And Spider -Man. Peter Parker is fighting against
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Jorma, the Green Goblin. And Liev Scheiber makes
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his appearance as Kingpin. Golly. So I love this
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like version of the Kingpin, like visually, like
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big head, middle of his body, just like giant
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wide shoulders. How much do you think this guy
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spends on double doors? Like everywhere he like
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buys. He needs a double door. We got to talk
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about his dick, too. I just really want to know.
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What's going on with that dick? Is it a button?
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Is it big? Like, I don't know. How did it work
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with his wife? Yeah, and they had a child. Unless
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that child's adopted, something happened. Normal
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looking child, yeah. Where did the shoulders
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go? Puberty. Ah, doy. That's what happens. This
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specific... depiction of the kingpin is based
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on a oh god uh bilson kevich uh daredevil run
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a very kind of abstracted like version um awesome
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there's so much comic history in this movie yeah
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and i was i was wondering about that i figured
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there was always like nods that i was not getting
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you know things that were there for very specific
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reasons that people more educated in comics would
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know than i would um i love the design of kingpin
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i think it's really fucking cool the first time
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he shows up it's like solid black and he kind
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of emerges and all you can see is that fucking
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head and the like shirt lapels it's such a cool
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design he looks like he's mounted on a wall and
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the wall is his body That's cool. It's a good
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style for him. I like that they made him all
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black, though. Yeah. I think that worked really
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well for the visuals of him. All new, all black
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kingpin. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good choice.
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That was Daredevil with fucking Batman. Friends
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of Matt Damon. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. Daredevil.
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Way to get there, Matt Damon. Notable friend
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of Matt Damon. Yes, yes. He's not famous for
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anything else. So yeah, so Spider -Man gets in
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the fight. It looks like, and I... Looks like
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that Spider -Man saw something and he definitely
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got his butt whooped. And he tells Miles, hey,
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you still got to do this. Here's your here's
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your task. And Miles says, OK, I'll help you.
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And then Kingpin shows up, confronts Peter. Peter
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tells him you can't do this. And Kingpin kills
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him, which the first time I saw this, I was like,
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no, Spider -Man can't die. That's ridiculous.
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So has Kingpin killed Spider -Man? comic history
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that i don't know about or is that i mean in
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ultimate spider -man peter does die uh but he
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dies taking a bullet for captain america yeah
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uh okay well and kingpin must be pretty strong
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if he could i mean yeah spidey had kind of gotten
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his butt whooped but like he only hit him once
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and he was dead his big old ham fist that's true
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like mega strong yeah like for a normal person
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what isn't it like he supposedly has like 2 %
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body fat or something like that. He's just a
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fucking brick shithouse. Gosh. Okay. I gotta
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see that guy naked. I gotta see him. Rule 34.
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It exists somewhere. You know it exists somewhere.
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I'm not Googling that. You can do that on your
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own. Not on a work computer. Just look up what
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Kingpin's dick looks like. I'll do it. I'll fucking
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Google anything. Yeah, that won't be a problem.
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My FBI overlord will have to see it at some point.
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Exactly. looking at kingpin dick again just saved
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the photo nick quit googling it every week don't
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need that history you're not my dad one thing
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that um maybe a slight plot hole is okay so he
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kills spider -man and kingpin says get rid of
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the body It is, what, maybe an hour later that
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the news breaks that they found his body? Whoever
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got rid of the Spider -Man body did a terrible
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job of hiding it. Chuck it in the... It's like,
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well, outside. Like, this is a guy that... Take
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the mask off and people won't even know who he
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is. It'll just be dead Peter Parker. They didn't
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even take his costume off, apparently. Yeah,
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I don't think they cared that much. Chuck him
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in Times Square. Here you go. They wanted people
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to know. Leave him outside. It must be, like,
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mass trash collection day or whatever. bulk trash
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that's what they call it clearly he was clearly
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he was proud of having done it because when he
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threw his ball he had all of the waitstaff dressed
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as spider -man that's true yes yeah oh what a
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power play what am i also weird inviting mj to
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that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, weird that
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you took the invite. I'd be like, you know, a
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little too fresh, a little too fresh. I'll do
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it without the free bread. Yeah, now they not
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know he's evil. OK, so then Peter B. Parker.
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Yes. How does he show up? I can't remember. He
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gets sucked through the thingy. Well, no, I remember
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that part. But like, how does he show up in Miles's
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life? So when Peter, when Spider, Peter Parker
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and Norman are fighting, Norman sticks him into
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the. magic ray the collider beam right and that
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like searches out all the like spider -men and
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that's how all the spider people get pulled in
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right i meant more like how does he actively
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in the movie meet miles at the he goes to his
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uh miles goes to the grave peter's grave oh that's
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there to look at his dead body apparently i mean
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you know if i woke up in a universe i was dead
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I might want to go check that out. I'd be curious.
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Yeah. Because you know what? You need that fucking
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flash selfie. Yes. Yes. That did have that scene
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has one of my favorite quotes. So like they are
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interacting. Miles zaps him. because he has a
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power that he didn't know then the cops are there
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the cop on the radio is just like uh it looks
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like a child dressed like spider -man is dragging
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a homeless corpse behind a train that was a really
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good one i didn't write that one down but it
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made the cut yeah i just i i love i can we just
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say how much peter b parker is just like the
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best spider -man like i love me a chubby out
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of shape or divorced sad spider -man with sweats
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i can relate to that so good and everyone's just
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dogging on him the whole time too it's like wow
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you are just like spider -man except a little
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older yeah a little fatter i love when he tells
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his origin story it's the same as uh chris pine
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spider -man but it's just i think add 10 more
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years onto it because they say chris pine spider
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-man's like 27 when he dies so this spider -man's
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like closer to 40 and he's like i broke my back
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uh aunt may died things with mj went bad but
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you know I was still I was still out there doing
21:51
it. And it's just him in the spider suit in the
21:53
shower crying. Well, when he gets sucked into
21:58
that universe, too, he's like, well, you know,
22:00
so I was doing my abs and my pushups and stuff.
22:03
Pizza right in the mouth. And the pizza didn't
22:05
even go with him. I felt so sad and sucked into
22:08
another world. You want to have a snack? Jeez.
22:10
He's got that burger place. That worked out.
22:13
And Miles had to pay for it. Not really liquid
22:18
right now. We kind of move forward a little bit
22:22
to one thing that happens at least twice in this
22:25
movie. Spider -Man, I know, they swing. The first
22:30
of two times they take a bus to get somewhere.
22:33
I mean, yeah, he's right. He probably couldn't
22:36
spend that time training miles how to swing.
22:38
They needed to get the thing fixed. But a bus?
22:41
He does say you got to rest your legs. That's
22:43
true. We're also kind of in the country. So like.
22:47
Yeah, swinging all the way out there will be
22:48
hard. Yeah, swinging all the way out there is
22:50
going to be rough. Yeah, Spider -Man wouldn't
22:52
do so well in like Iowa. He needs to be in a
22:54
bigger city. That's why he's always in New York,
22:56
it appears. Iowa would be a shitty spot for Spider
22:59
-Man. Corn stalks? They're not that tall. Or
23:02
strong. No. You also need the density of buildings.
23:06
You know, growing up in San Francisco, I thought
23:08
about this. Like, there's only a very small pocket
23:11
where there are tall buildings. Like, Spider
23:14
-Man in San Francisco could only really do about
23:16
10 square blocks. It's kind of like Seattle in
23:19
that way, too. It's not that much. And that's
23:22
why Spider -Man is predominantly like Manhattan,
23:25
too. You go to some of the other boroughs and
23:27
it's not like Queens. There's not a whole lot
23:30
to swing on in Queens. Any other city? Spider
23:33
buggy. Yeah. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I did like
23:36
seeing the spider buggy later, too. Yeah. All
23:39
right. So we get to where they're going to the
23:42
place to get the the the wait. Donner. Goober.
23:47
Goober. Donner. Miles gets this USB stick from
23:51
regular Peter Parker as he's before he dies and
23:54
then breaks it. He immediately breaks it by.
23:57
He was trying to leap of faith. Oh, I did like
24:00
that scene, too, when he's trying to figure out
24:02
if he can jump off of a building. And it's that
24:04
going up the staircase, being on the edge, and
24:07
then immediately it's just going down the staircase.
24:08
And then looking up at the building again, being
24:11
like, can I do this? And then the slightly shorter
24:13
one next. So like, oh, that one's so much better.
24:15
It's two stories shorter. He lives. Great little
24:20
call out and love letter to the original Tobey
24:22
Maguire Spider -Man initial web swing. Yes. Straight
24:26
in. okay so they're getting the uh the thing
24:33
fixed the donger see that's a problem now that's
24:37
stuck in my head i don't know it's gonna be the
24:38
donger for the rest of the episode all right
24:40
so we got they're getting the donger fixed they
24:42
go and peter says all right i'm not actually
24:44
going to teach you right now you're going to
24:46
be the lookout here's my plan to get in has a
24:48
really good plan which is immediately foiled
24:51
because after he leaves who pulls up kingpin
24:54
ready to uh check on things going on there and
24:57
that frankenstein motherfucker tombstone tombstone
25:00
who i think i do like how his initial plan involved
25:04
at the end grabbing a bagel and while we're going
25:07
through the escapes like and grabbing a bagel
25:10
that's one of my favorite lines is when they're
25:14
chasing them out he got a bagel i laughed harder
25:17
at that than i should have i'll be honest i love
25:19
that they call back to that in uh the second
25:23
movie yeah and across the spider -verse i need
25:25
to re -watch that i don't remember that part
25:26
it's part of the spot's origin yeah he's the
25:29
guy that gets hit with the bagel he's the one
25:30
who got bageled yeah he turns into the spot later
25:34
oh that's right oh i forgot about that oh man
25:37
that's that's perfect yeah that's right so he's
25:42
peter and now miles are in there because miles
25:44
is like oh my gosh kingpin's there watch out
25:47
and that's when peter and miles get everything
25:50
set up to steal it and who should walk in but
25:54
uh live live walks in and is like oh this is
25:59
fascinating you're peter parker but you're not
26:00
our peter parker and you're starting to your
26:03
items are not liking this this is bad for you
26:06
and i can't wait to watch you die and he's like
26:09
what's your name olivia octavius yep yep yep
26:13
my friends call me live Yes, which fucking I
26:18
love it, Han. Terrific, yeah. We were talking
26:20
about the cast earlier. How many of these people
26:22
either already had or were about to have MCU
26:25
credits to them? Like, if there's ten in the
26:29
cast, eight of them had it. If you got Agatha
26:31
there, I mean... It's a great group of people.
26:35
Oh, my gosh. So, hell, I mean, obviously, Cage
26:38
is going to be having his own MCU appearance.
26:40
So, yeah, so we meet Olivia Octavius. Doc Ock
26:43
is there, and... Does her best to fight off two
26:47
spider people. What did you do for weird little
26:49
medical arms? Oh, I like them. I thought they
26:52
worked for this character. My favorite callback
26:55
in this entire movie is like, it's like, what's
26:58
your name? It's like, but your friends call you
27:00
Doc Ock. It's like, no, my friends call me Liv.
27:02
My enemies call me Doc Ock. And when they raid
27:05
Aunt May's house later, Aunt May just goes, Liv.
27:09
i i wrote that one down actually too oh great
27:12
it's live it's like oh they're friends okay that's
27:16
cool i did think it was interesting her arms
27:18
are so long that they could like hold her up
27:19
and she's not actually touching the ground for
27:21
most of the time she's doc ock yeah it's like
27:24
oh okay you you just don't want to walk that
27:26
much listen would you uh actually good point
27:28
no i let them do all that for me the best doc
27:30
ox always kind of Yeah. Sit above the ground
27:33
like that. I feel like I'd be more reclined if
27:35
I were a Doc Ock. Oh, like recumbent? Yeah. Like
27:38
recumbent arms? Recumbent octa. Just fucking
27:41
chill out. Well, if they're that. That's a hedonism
27:45
bot just getting slid in. Just walking on the
27:48
little like octopus fingers. You got it. Well,
27:51
couldn't you make it into a rocking chair? They
27:53
were very. Oh, I'm sure you could do all sorts
27:55
of things. You could turn it into a sex swing
27:58
if you wanted. Yeah. Easily. sure she has you
28:02
know why the heck not so right hold on thinking
28:04
about it nice was it with kingpin what that dick
28:09
like it's the only dick i know what it looks
28:11
like in this movie you had a lot of kingpin dong
28:13
in this already so i haven't googled anybody
28:16
else's penis yet not yet ain't over yet uh so
28:20
she beat she uh defeats two of the spider -men
28:22
only for us to now meet not materials they need
28:32
to actually make the new donger so i love when
28:35
they're when they're escaping and peter is just
28:40
like well great news we don't need the monitor
28:42
i forgot about that oh and that's one thing i
28:48
did skip over he also finds out he can turn invisible
28:50
miles does right which is also pretty important
28:53
and another one of his powers which is that new
28:55
to the movie sean or is that uh that's part of
28:57
my stuff interesting i didn't know he has the
29:00
venom strike anytime is invisible oh that's that's
29:02
he's got like predator camouflage ah that's cool
29:08
yeah i like that and then yes but what did they
29:11
do to get back Back on the bus. So they take
29:14
the bus home, and Peter is taking a bit of a
29:16
nap, so that probably actually works out pretty
29:17
well for them. So that's good. And Gwen actually
29:20
introduces herself, and we get to hear Gwen's
29:22
origin story, where in her world, Peter Parker's
29:24
her good friend, who she can't save, so that
29:26
kind of becomes her version of Uncle Ben. And
29:30
in that one, she actually saves her dad, too,
29:33
which I know is not often Gwen Stacy's story,
29:35
too. So I thought that was kind of interesting,
29:37
a little twist on that one. Well, and so in Spider
29:40
-Gwen, yeah, it's her story. is like she loses
29:42
her best friend who was peter who in her universe
29:45
was the green goblin which i think is part of
29:50
uh beyond the spider verse they like go more
29:54
in depth into that. That's kind of cool. I was
29:56
wondering because when they show his body, I
29:58
thought I saw something that looked like scales
29:59
or something, but I was like, I'm just probably
30:01
seeing he was wet. And it's like, oh, no, he's
30:04
green. Yeah, very much so. All right. So then
30:08
they go back and that's when they go meet with
30:10
Aunt May, if I'm not mistaken, right? Three of
30:12
them go and Peter's like, I'm not sure I'm ready
30:14
for this. Yes, because I need a lab. I did. I
30:17
did appreciate the May's intro to their lab that
30:21
they got to work in. Oh, cool. a little shed
30:24
with my stuff in it that's uh this is a little
30:26
pretentious but uh is this like your shed yeah
30:29
and uh i also did appreciate too and i i don't
30:35
know the spider -man costumes that well but they
30:36
did have the one with the cape call back to earlier
30:38
when miles was like a cape and he's like no capes
30:41
the sorcerer supreme spider -man nice a little
30:46
loop in a doctor strange there they also have
30:48
my least favorite spider -man costume of all
30:50
time in those cases the sony spider -man video
30:54
game costumes in there with like the big white
30:56
spider and the white guy man why do people like
30:59
the advanced suit that much like i don't like
31:01
that one i think it's stupid i don't like the
31:04
dirt bike looking gloves with the like oversized
31:06
knuckle protectors yeah it doesn't do it for
31:10
me so i agree what's the best spider suit probably
31:15
the one he's got now in the mcu where he made
31:17
it himself and it's all the correct colors and
31:19
i always hated that it was like the tony stark
31:21
one classics oh yeah that's the thing is like
31:22
i love iron man obviously but i thought them
31:25
iron spidering him for most of the two movies
31:27
i was like that's not really spider -man is it
31:29
comic wise my favorite is probably the ramita
31:33
black and red which they do uh homage to in um
31:38
the second spider -man movie when he makes his
31:40
own suit at the end yeah yeah um boy yeah i really
31:45
like superior i think that's a really good suit
31:48
uh future foundation's a really good suit too
31:50
i do love the future foundation suit that one's
31:53
sick yeah yeah those are probably my favorites
31:56
Nice. Well, and we've met his suits. And who
31:59
else do we meet in this scene? One half hour
32:02
in, finally, our good friend Nicolas Cage shows
32:04
up. The other Spider -Mans. Spider -Noir. And
32:06
two other Spider -Mans. Yeah, Sean, you actually
32:09
told me this. It's Spider -Man, right? Plural
32:12
for spider. Oh, Spider -Mans. Oh, okay. And Gwen's
32:15
there, so we can't say that. They say Spider
32:17
-Man in this movie, which bugs me, because it's
32:20
his name. It's their name, not their title. So
32:22
it shouldn't be. it shouldn't change you should
32:24
just add an s to the end which they do do in
32:27
um into uh no way home when um the three spider
32:36
-mans are gonna go like fight the sinister six
32:38
tom holland when they're jumping off the statue
32:40
of liberty goes uh spider -mans go and i'm like
32:43
vindication course corrected i like that well
32:47
and in this one i did hear at least once they
32:49
did say spider people because they were trying
32:52
to be yep there's at least two females there
32:54
so it's like spider people i like that they're
32:56
inclusive um but yeah so and a cartoon pig yeah
33:01
that's true it's actually a cartoon spider who
33:04
was bitten by a radioactive pig I read about
33:07
that this morning. I was like, I thought, I thought
33:09
it came from the Simpsons to be honest. I thought
33:11
it was an homage to, yeah. It's like, where did
33:14
this come? I mean, I love John Mulaney. So the
33:15
voice was perfect, but that one came out of left
33:18
field for me. I did like that. His nose was the
33:20
same as his face. Can you float through the air?
33:27
I have a freshly baked pie. Surprise it. But
33:35
then we get the last, well, three of the last
33:38
four origin stories because we get Spider Noir,
33:40
we get Spider Pig, and we get the, I can't remember
33:43
the name. Penny Parker. Penny Parker. And yeah,
33:46
I guess it's probably as good a time as any to
33:48
bore Nicolas Cage. I mean, it's a very small
33:51
role, but very good. And you know what? Very
33:54
understated in all the right ways. I just watched
33:57
a supercut of Spider -Verse only. the scenes
34:01
that have spider -man noir in them and it comes
34:04
out to about five minutes and 40 seconds of screen
34:06
time that sounds about right i thought it would
34:08
be less yeah no he's cool i like his style such
34:11
a good job he's beating up nazis i like drinking
34:16
i like drinking egg creams and fighting nazis
34:18
the wind follows the wind smells like rain i
34:24
do love when he shows up and his like cape is
34:27
blowing and they're in a basement it's like yeah
34:28
they wind we're in a basement how is he sometimes
34:33
i burn a match just to feel something i had a
34:39
question about it though so he he's a peter parker
34:41
in this one but in the new show he's ben reilly
34:45
so what's the deal and miller have said that
34:48
this is a standalone that spider -man is a standalone
34:50
thing it has nothing to do with spider -verse
34:52
they're not connected to anything else it's just
34:54
going to be its own standalone yeah everything
34:57
i think i mean this one he is peter benjamin
35:00
parker though too i read that somewhere so okay
35:02
so they're they're it's its own thing but they
35:04
do an homage to it okay yeah well so ben reilly
35:07
for those who don't know bill is the clone of
35:11
is the clone of peter parker from the 90s who
35:14
becomes scarlet spider which i do like the scarlet
35:17
spider suit off as well that's so good that's
35:20
so 90s i love that hoodie though yeah and so
35:23
many pockets he's got like pockets on belts a
35:26
red singlet red singlet blue hoodie with a spider
35:30
on it with the sleeves torn off yep so like the
35:34
first toby mcguire suit then right when he was
35:37
wrestling the guy pretty much pretty close yeah
35:39
yeah so that's where ben reilly the name ben
35:41
reilly comes from for uh spider noir OK, that
35:44
makes more sense. Yeah, I feel better about that
35:45
now. OK, so we meet them and they all and Miles
35:49
says, I'm ready to help you guys. This will be
35:50
great. And then he fails a test with all of them.
35:53
Like pretty quick succession. Yeah. Performance
35:56
anxiety. Oh man. Puberty. It's a puberty thing.
35:59
Don't worry. I mean, at least two of them are
36:02
kind of rooting for him. So that was kind of
36:04
nice, but also I don't blame the other three.
36:06
They just met this guy and he's supposed to save
36:08
them and send them home. Okay. Yeah. You, you
36:10
couldn't, you couldn't take a punch. You couldn't
36:13
deal with this robot and a pig just beat you.
36:15
So I wouldn't trust him either. If I were them.
36:17
I mean, that pig's pretty impressive like dropping
36:21
anvils on uh people later in the movie and he's
36:25
got a lot of skills i did make one of my other
36:27
uh favorite lines from again five his five minutes
36:31
uh when they're all huddling up talking about
36:33
how they can't trust him and uh and spider noir
36:36
goes he's looking right at us while we talk about
36:38
him Just like, oops, maybe we should talk quieter.
36:43
Oh, and then he goes up on the elevator and they're
36:45
like, see, he can disappear. So we get through
36:51
that and he's he's all sad. So who does he go
36:54
to? Uncle Aaron again, except he just goes to
36:57
his apartment. And then the twist that I don't
36:59
know. I didn't see coming the first time I saw
37:01
this. Yeah. So Uncle Aaron is Prowler, who has
37:04
been a thorn in everyone's side most of the movie
37:07
now. And poor Miles just finds us out right now.
37:10
Yeah. Not great. OK, I've got one gripe with
37:13
Prowler because like that suit is cool. The like
37:15
tech is cool. The motorcycle. Oh, man. Not your
37:21
bag, huh? No, it's just like he can go super
37:24
fast. He can run, but he's just got this like
37:25
dork ass bike. Where does he keep it? He was
37:30
ready to go, too. I mean, who has a garage in
37:33
Brooklyn? Yeah, not a fucking chance. He lives
37:37
in a fucking apartment. Yeah, yeah. Well, and
37:40
that was a part of it on the roof. Can anyone
37:42
else put a bag over it? He might actually. It's
37:44
a very Batman of him. But when he is right in
37:48
front of Miles, He can't see him yet. Miles is
37:51
two floors down on the fire escape and all of
37:54
a sudden he can see his outline. He switched
37:55
like a different. Okay. So he has like a. Yeah,
37:58
he went to, like, thermal infrared, whatever.
38:01
Okay, good. Because that bothered me. I missed
38:03
the switch. So I was just like, okay. He was
38:05
literally, like, you could have smelled him,
38:07
his breath, if he had had, like, garlic. Like,
38:09
how did you miss him before? But, okay, I feel
38:12
better about that. Gripe over. So he gets away
38:15
and goes back to May's house when we get to the
38:18
wonderful, ugh, it's Liv, line. And we have,
38:22
actually, a pretty epic battle between the Sinister
38:26
Six, basically, right? Yeah. I do love this scene
38:29
when we cut back to May's house and we see Spider
38:33
Noir like on the couch with the Rubik's Cube
38:35
and he's just guessing at the colors. Purple?
38:39
No. And then at the end of the movie he takes
38:44
the Rubik's Cube and he's like, I don't know
38:45
what it is, but I'm going to figure it out. Take
38:49
this with me. So good. Yeah, the Rubik's Cube
38:53
is a great bit. How did you not lose it during
38:55
the fight? So I love like any Sinister Six is
39:01
a great combination of Sinister Six for me. My
39:03
favorites always only include five members, but
39:07
there's still the Sinister Six. There's auditions
39:11
for that six part. It's fine. But I really like
39:13
this Scorpion. I'm not like I don't know if I
39:17
love like the mechanical leg version. I do like
39:21
what Gargan's like when his suit is just like
39:24
part of him when it's just like. molded onto
39:27
his body because because of an accident so he
39:29
can never take it off that's why he's okay um
39:32
but i like this and i like uh that he only spoke
39:36
spanish portuguese yeah and in the version i
39:41
watched they at least translated it for us so
39:42
that was kind of like oh that's what he's saying
39:44
okay yeah he just he's gonna threaten to kill
39:46
him that makes sense um but that's also where
39:48
we get the scene where miles reveals himself
39:51
to uncle aaron and that's a bad phrasing but
39:54
it's the second time i've done that that's why
39:57
we didn't have to google that one we know what
39:59
that looked like we're actually all on We're
40:03
all in trouble now. Busted. Busted. Sorry, guys.
40:08
I lose my job. I shut down the podcast. This
40:11
is terrible. But reveals that he is the guy he's
40:15
been chasing this whole time, which eventually
40:17
gets Uncle Aaron. Well, eventually, two seconds
40:18
later, gets him killed. Yeah. So I like that
40:21
Aaron was going to let him go. Yeah. Well, and
40:23
man, Kingpin obviously knew he wasn't going to
40:26
do it pretty quick because he's sitting outside.
40:28
Do it. Yeah. He takes one step back real quick.
40:31
Yeah. Not even a warning shot and shoot him in
40:34
the butt or something that way. It's like, all
40:35
right, you're down and injured. I'm going to
40:37
yell at you. All right. That's my other gripe.
40:38
Kingpin, obviously like superhuman strength,
40:41
whatever. Badass guy. A lot of gun work. Yeah.
40:44
Well, he's a normal person. Yeah. He's not fast.
40:48
Yeah. I can't imagine he's a climber. yeah probably
40:53
muscle doesn't seem like he's very like limber
40:56
yeah probably can't like get over a short fence
40:59
very well not quickly struggles with shrubbery
41:02
knock it over but yeah you're right he's not
41:04
getting to the roof of a house pretty quickly
41:06
he's not flying i mean he's not getting in a
41:08
house very quickly yeah may didn't have the big
41:11
doors like when we see his like his fight at
41:13
the end of the movie when they're in like the
41:15
flying subway car and yeah And you just see him
41:18
like through the door frame. Yeah, it's just
41:20
his head and just his back body. And when he
41:23
eventually does go through that door, he has
41:24
to like tear his way through it. Yeah, he tears
41:26
through it. Yeah, he wasn't going to catch his
41:28
wife and son really quickly that way. They were
41:31
they were fitting through all the doors and he
41:32
was not. Do you think he has to ride in cars
41:35
with like gull wing doors? Only 100 % or convertibles,
41:39
too. He's not like you can't have a roof on.
41:42
every car is a t -top yeah he's got money he
41:47
can he can live that comfortable life yeah oh
41:49
i would love to see the kingpin just rolling
41:51
around in like a fucking trans am again google
41:56
that i'm sure that that's probably easier to
41:58
find than the other thing so yeah no they go
42:00
hand in hand yeah yeah that's true it's a real
42:02
smoky new trans am When was the last time you
42:07
were on the Internet where anything is easier
42:09
to find than a dick on the Internet? Touche.
42:15
So then Aaron passes and the dad finds Aaron's
42:20
brother, finds him and thinks it's Spider -Man
42:23
that did it. So now he's mad at the new Spider
42:26
-Man again, but still can't find his son, goes
42:30
to have a chat with him. I probably should go
42:33
back to the Spider -Man officially firing him,
42:35
though, too. Because he goes back to his apartment
42:37
and they're like, yeah, we need the donger from
42:40
you, dude. Give me your donger. You're not ready
42:44
for this. Whip out that donger. Yeah. And Jake
42:46
Johnson's Spider -Man's like, I'm sacrificing
42:49
myself. This is how it's going to be. You're
42:51
not ready yet. Sometime you will be. So kind
42:55
of an emotional moment for him. A bummer. And
42:58
then gets tied up so he can't speak. And the
43:01
dad comes to talk to him and obviously still
43:03
can't talk to him. Nice touching moment there.
43:06
Again, a good, good cop. Good kid. Good kid.
43:09
Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Again, for this podcast, it's
43:13
terrible. A good cop. Son of a. Well, this actually.
43:17
Son of a good cop. Yeah. A more emotional fellow
43:23
myself. So when he's talking to his son and I
43:25
got a little verklempt and that's when I noticed
43:28
that it's not NYPD. over in this world because
43:31
i was like okay don't oh oh that's a nice little
43:35
like okay so we can say that pdny has a good
43:38
cop yeah not nypd though different universe i
43:43
do like all the weird little universe like changes
43:46
um i don't know if you like are paying attention
43:48
to like the times square ads yep there's a lot
43:52
of like what uh like what's the uh john mulaney
43:55
um nick kroll show like uh oh hello or whatever
43:59
oh yeah i forgot about that show there was like
44:02
a version of that uh on the never even heard
44:05
of that well and you know steph curry shows up
44:07
in an ad over there there's um uh seth rogan
44:11
was in a couple of ads in the background one
44:13
of the other lines is uh the phone company is
44:15
c mobile not t yeah so yeah there was a little
44:18
little digs here and there like ah okay kind
44:20
of which turns out to be pretty important on
44:22
the second one too yeah they had a show called
44:24
like in They have a show called Oh, Hello. And
44:27
I think on Times Square in the background, it's
44:29
the same poster, but I think it's called like,
44:30
oh, hey, there or something. It's like Teen Titans
44:35
go to the movies all over again. Oh, heck yeah.
44:37
I need to watch that. Coca -Cola with a K. Yes.
44:43
So then we're almost to the end, actually. Yeah,
44:46
we're getting there. Yeah, we're getting there.
44:49
gala event and then straight to the collider
44:52
well and it gets to the part that always any
44:54
of these superhero movies where they have that
44:56
montage where they're like figuring it out and
44:58
there's that really awesome song in the background
44:59
you're like okay yeah okay i'm ready to run through
45:02
a wall too like the good yeah good on them that's
45:05
why i like these movies these are perfect for
45:07
that sort of thing yeah what up danger is a fucking
45:09
banger track for this also oh yeah i listened
45:13
to the song without the the visuals today james
45:15
i was like oh okay yeah this should be on my
45:17
running running list right now this is this is
45:19
really good and the lyrics were great i do love
45:22
how the spider man spider mans get into uh the
45:26
gala because they're like how are we gonna sneak
45:28
in and then they look down and all of the wait
45:30
staff are wearing spider man masks because and
45:33
nick cage goes it's in poor taste but can't be
45:36
that easy cut to all of them just with bow ties
45:41
walking through the gala It is that easy. That
45:45
was one of the lines I wrote down. Except Penny
45:46
in the table. No, that was flipping perfect.
45:53
And yeah, look at those pigs down there. I'm
45:55
right here. But yeah, and then we get to the
46:00
final battle where they're down. Now, I kind
46:04
of miss this. That building is directly on top
46:06
of where the collider is, right? Yeah, yeah.
46:08
Okay, for some reason when it blew up, it looked
46:10
like it was further away for some reason. So
46:12
they lost an entire building that day in that
46:14
world because damn. I do want to say because
46:18
we're about to get to the like, this is right
46:20
when we do the reveal of Miles's costume and
46:23
Miles like finally like takes that leap of faith.
46:25
We get that awesome like original trailer scene
46:28
where he's like jumps off the building and like
46:30
he's falling towards the ground. the camera makes
46:33
it look like he's like floating up amazing but
46:36
i love this version of that costume where he
46:38
just takes a spider -man costume and spray paints
46:40
it black and the spider itself is like spray
46:43
painted my only critique is like that thing would
46:48
smell so bad yes oh yeah yeah it would be terrible
46:51
probably would have smelled them right away it
46:52
would be flaking off all over the place like
46:55
he would turn invisible and you could just find
46:57
him by the trail of like paint And you will know
47:02
us by our trail of paint. In the Miles Morales
47:04
video game and in Sony Spider -Man 2 video game,
47:07
as soon as I unlock that costume, it's the only
47:10
thing I'll wear. I don't blame you. One of my
47:14
other favorite lines from not Nick Cage in this
47:16
was when he shows up at the thing and Lily Tomlin's
47:19
sitting there, Aunt May's sitting there, and
47:20
just like, took you long enough. It's like, thank
47:22
you. That sets up this next scene very nicely.
47:27
Yeah, she got it. All right. So, yeah, now it's
47:30
fight time. Collider is on. Everything's going
47:33
real wrong. Real bad, real fast. And Miles shows
47:37
up to help turn the ship around a little bit
47:40
there with his invisibility and punching Doc
47:42
Ock a little bit. Yeah. I thought that was a
47:45
good way to enter and everyone excited. And then,
47:49
yeah, Kingpin turning it up, obviously. It was
47:51
like, all right, I think I can see my wife and
47:53
child, but let's really go. And obviously it's
47:57
not working really well. Yeah. this final fight
48:00
is animated is just so fucking cool and trippy
48:03
and uh i mean it blows me away every time i i
48:07
can just watch that scene over and over it was
48:10
like phantom trucks flying all over the place
48:12
buildings are blowing out and they collapsing
48:15
on themselves the insane amount of color yes
48:18
oh i do love how like they point out like well
48:21
this is bad but it looks really cool yeah Well,
48:26
that was one of my favorite parts when the three
48:28
spiders are, oh, here we go. This is going to
48:30
take a while. Doc Ock's approaching them. Boom,
48:34
truck. Yeah. Peter's reaction. It was a visual,
48:38
but like the little hand over the mouth like,
48:40
oh, well, never mind. That was good. Yeah, it's
48:46
your classic shark eaten by bigger shark. Yeah.
48:50
Moment. Yes. It's like, I can't. was that the
48:53
end of her i don't know i guess i'll find out
48:55
if i wouldn't watch the second one um and then
48:57
he's able to send the spiders home so that's
49:00
good and uh even even though jake johnson spider
49:02
-man's like i can do this i want to do this it's
49:05
like you're just afraid to go back to talk to
49:07
your mj yeah get out of here i got this because
49:10
what what was the line it's like i don't want
49:12
to see a spider -man die i don't either yeah
49:15
i thought that was good yeah And then Kingpin
49:19
versus Miles. That's the thing I was a little
49:25
surprised about because Kingpin hits Miles pretty
49:28
hard too. He got up. So I don't know if it's
49:32
just... Miles didn't have internal bleeding already
49:34
because when he kills Peter, it's like Peter
49:36
is on the brink of death at that point. Yeah.
49:40
So he just did the final blow. Yeah. Yeah, no.
49:43
And that's another good, good cop situation,
49:46
too, because at this point, I think I think the
49:48
dad's still a little like, I think I can trust
49:51
Spider -Man. And then it's like, oh, OK, I'm
49:53
rooting for him. I was wrong. And it's like,
49:55
thank you. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool. And I like
49:59
that the finishing move that he does on Kingpin
50:01
is from Uncle Aaron. The shoulder touch. I love
50:05
when they throw the hay up behind him. Yeah,
50:09
that was cool. It's cool. It's a good way to
50:13
finish it. Kingpin's gigantic ass body hits the
50:16
button. Yeah. Which is also what he calls sex.
50:21
He got there. He brought the button back. I love
50:25
it. Oh, that's good. And then, yeah, the classic
50:29
Spider -Man stringing up the bad guy for the
50:31
cops to take. I thought that was good. The I
50:34
love you at the end obviously brings that all
50:36
together. I was. That was cool. And then I don't
50:40
understand fully, but like the way that they
50:41
can talk to each other still through the portals,
50:44
I probably should understand a little bit better.
50:47
But, you know, Gwen was able to reach out to
50:48
him pretty easily. So I was I was happy, obviously,
50:50
but it was like, oh, I didn't know it was going
50:52
to be quite that simple for them. That they bring
50:54
back from the next movie. OK, yeah, that's the
50:58
next one. And the fucking fancy wrist thing.
51:01
Oh, that's right. So it allows them to travel
51:03
through. So she's able to open up that portal
51:05
and be like, hey. put her hand on his shoulder
51:08
yeah it's perfect but uh no to just to wrap it
51:12
up just uh like you guys all said i'm gonna be
51:14
boring too it's a perfect movie yeah it's so
51:17
good in so many levels and i feel a little bad
51:19
because poor nick cage hasn't gotten talked about
51:21
much but the way spider -man noir works that's
51:24
exactly what he would want that's true moving
51:26
dark and silence yeah i mean talking about his
51:29
performance it is great and it does stand out
51:31
like the my favorite story from the production
51:33
of this is one of the interviews where it's like
51:36
yeah like on nicholas cage is like first day
51:38
he did a couple line reads and kept getting notes
51:40
and after like the third note he's like oh you
51:42
just want me to go full cage oh so even he says
51:47
full cage i love that he knows five million dollars
51:51
a movie you may as well know how you're gonna
51:53
get that do we know did he get five million for
51:55
this one too i don't know i didn't even look
51:57
up the budget for this one this time i think
51:59
it was like three three dollars three dollars
52:01
yeah they nailed it with that budget they really
52:03
stretched it out they got their most for it yeah
52:06
well i mean we kind of gave sean the sean in
52:08
60 seconds thing i we were dorothy and i were
52:11
sitting there watching i was like did lake bell
52:13
did she even come for an hour for this movie
52:15
like she did three lines as the wife i 10 minutes
52:19
in and out and she probably got paid for a full
52:21
hour i at least for a full hour good golly that's
52:24
not easy the visuals of this whole i mean that's
52:28
what this movie really kind of originally sold
52:30
itself on and happened to also just be the best
52:34
one of the best spider -man movies ever um and
52:38
it's just it's so visually stunning i remember
52:42
at one point sony was talking about trying to
52:44
like trademark or trademark or copyright like
52:47
the visual style of the film i don't think that
52:50
played yeah i don't think you can do that but
52:53
But I remember them wanting to do that. And just
52:56
the producers, Lord and Miller, like the shit
52:59
they're doing with cinema at this point, like
53:02
just visually creative stuff. I just saw Project
53:05
Hail Mary, so I want to talk about Rocky. Oh
53:08
yeah, that was another really good movie. Very,
53:10
very good movie. Also Lord and Miller produced,
53:13
and I think they directed that one. uh yeah they
53:16
also did the lego movie so like just oh it's
53:18
kind of tied in that movie is pretty good too
53:20
yeah they're tied in for like really great subversive
53:24
visual storytelling well something different
53:27
i mean that's what people always are commenting
53:29
on with movies it's like something just a little
53:31
bit different and that will still be amazing
53:33
i want more of this story this could have stood
53:36
by itself totally this could have been a one
53:39
and done and not have to do anything else but
53:41
i want more miles ross i want more of these characters
53:44
I want more of the Nicolas Cage. I'm really looking
53:46
forward to the live action. I watched the trailers
53:48
for it last night just to kind of remind myself.
53:50
It's going to be good. I honestly don't know
53:52
if I want to watch it in color or black and white.
53:54
I'm all black and white. Yeah, for sure. I'm
53:56
sure at some point I'll watch it in true color.
53:59
I'm going to watch each episode twice. I'm going
54:01
to watch black and white and color because I
54:03
want to be able to talk about both for the podcast.
54:04
But I'm most excited for black and white. Me
54:07
too. Yeah, it's so visually beautiful. I think
54:11
the one thing that I wanted to say about this
54:13
movie that I think stood out most to me as a
54:16
real success is that Peter Parker's a fucking
54:19
teenager, right? You follow him along, he gets
54:22
a little bit older, but he's a kid. Usually,
54:26
Spider -Man is like a kid, and Morales is a perfect
54:29
representation of that because instead of having
54:32
a fucking 27 -year -old Tobey Maguire playing
54:34
a high schooler, you've got... an animation you
54:37
know I mean he looks like a kid he acts like
54:39
a kid he's awkward as fuck with a girl you know
54:41
it's like it hits really well in a way that I
54:44
think the other ones don't because you have to
54:46
sort of suspend disbelief that like Andrew Garfield
54:50
is like an awkward teenager oh eat shit Tom Holland
54:55
said he was 16 I was like no well at the time
54:59
Andrew Garfield was also older than toby mcguire
55:02
was in his first spider -man movie right wow
55:04
i didn't know that not every peter parker is
55:07
also like the original like iteration of him
55:11
wasn't like uh a bumbling nerd either so yeah
55:15
different versions yeah but yeah i mean for some
55:18
reason that always resonated with me that he's
55:20
like a younger one he's not like a god or you
55:23
know whatever an old you know billionaire who
55:26
can build robot suits like the original portrayal
55:30
of peter parker he was like he was he was kind
55:33
of a dick yeah that's right he was a little snarky
55:36
and he was just a dick he got beat up by flash
55:39
and he was like you know i'll teach you one of
55:40
these days i'll beat you like he was not like
55:43
the funny charming talk his way out of it that
55:45
we think of him now no he definitely had a chip
55:47
on his shoulder yeah and i did like that that
55:51
they were able to with all all all the spider
55:53
people all had their little, like, quips and
55:55
stuff along the way, which was nice for the character.
55:57
And it's interesting, I didn't realize that he
55:58
was kind of, maybe not a bully, but kind of a
56:01
bully wannabe if he's, like, getting his butt
56:03
whooped and then he's like, all right, oh, look,
56:05
I have these powers. Take that, Flash. Like,
56:07
I think of him as more of that lovable one -liner
56:10
guy, right? You have a metal -armed dude, like,
56:12
you know, in the middle of a fight, you're bringing
56:14
that up. I was just looking at what other animated
56:17
films came out in 2018 and kind of like that.
56:22
uh divergence of style and like how vastly different
56:25
it was than everything else because this was
56:27
like the time of like Wreck -It Ralph and Smallfoot
56:30
and a bunch of that style Incredibles 2 was another
56:34
one so there wasn't a lot uh even like getting
56:37
close to this sort of thing it was an art piece
56:40
yes yeah yeah it definitely changed the animation
56:43
game but the closest thing to now be the demon
56:46
pop hunters are they k -pop demon hunters similar
56:50
they kind of run in i mean it's a similar art
56:52
studio or the same art studio or like a branch
56:55
of it yeah okay so i think that they they definitely
56:58
understood the value of what they created and
57:00
you know trying to recreate that is not going
57:03
to be perfect yeah i think that that movie has
57:06
some of the style and then mutant mayhem the
57:09
oh yeah turtles movie not the same style but
57:12
you can see that like it definitely uh yeah yeah
57:17
yeah it's that appreciation of comic book art
57:20
you know like in the style and that it all you
57:22
can you can put this into a new medium and still
57:24
have that that feeling which is i think really
57:26
impressive watching this film again thinking
57:29
about the second one i just i love how versatile
57:32
they've made this character and how much they've
57:34
done with this character over so many years and
57:36
i just wanted to like discuss weird obscure spider
57:39
-mans um my favorite from the peak 90s spider
57:43
-man does anyone remember spider hulk no holy
57:46
smokes it was a mini series where like spider
57:49
-man got in a fight with the hulk uh and like
57:52
gained hulk power so it's just it's just the
57:55
hulk web swinging like in a tore -up spider -man
57:58
costume It was terrible, but visually it was
58:01
just spectacular. Well, we might get that next
58:04
year with the new Tom Holland one. So maybe do
58:08
you. This is far more current, but like a rec
58:11
rap or whatever from like a year or two ago.
58:14
Yeah, that was weird. I had no idea. But yeah,
58:21
there was some weird shit happening. Yeah, it
58:23
was a weird one. You can slap the Spider -Man
58:25
logo on something, it's going to move. I mean,
58:27
I know it's from the next movie, but I really,
58:29
really like Spider -Punk. Oh my gosh. I hope
58:32
he's so fucking cool. I hope he's hella cool.
58:33
I was so pumped I wasn't in this one. There was
58:36
an era, this is when I kind of fell off comics
58:38
because I was going to art school and I just
58:40
didn't have the money for it. When they were
58:42
doing the weekly Spider -Man series. it was after
58:44
brand new day um but when they kind of like rewrote
58:48
like spider -man's backstory and realized that
58:51
like oh peter's like just as smart as tony stark
58:55
they're like why doesn't peter start a company
58:57
why doesn't peter have like actual stock tech
59:00
level technology enterprises and stuff yeah and
59:03
i'm talking i that's probably one of my favorite
59:05
spider -man suits the kind of update to the iron
59:08
spider where it looks like the red and blue but
59:10
it is like more sleek and it has the glowing
59:12
like big spider on the chest that's cool nice
59:16
okay that's it alex ross designed oh alex ross
59:19
dude that guy is just fucking crazy i think nick
59:23
you and i've talked about like his pitches for
59:26
like updated x -men suits and they're so good
59:29
oh yeah i don't think they were ever used like
59:31
no they weren't but i fucking love that cyclops
59:35
that he did well it makes him look like uh more
59:38
of the leader that he actually is like i i went
59:41
off the movies and i was like oh he's kind of
59:43
whiny and stuff that's kind of weird and then
59:44
i've had people who know marvel better than me
59:46
say yeah that's not the best representation he's
59:48
literally the leader of the x -men yeah yeah
59:50
he's just a tactician like super yeah um my favorite
59:56
cyclops thing is just like he doesn't have plan
59:59
a plan b because that limits you to 26 so all
1:00:04
of his plans are always like plan three or something
1:00:06
like that so it's always in numerals not right
1:00:11
uh the alphabet i like that yeah hold on scott
1:00:14
all right any final thoughts on this one i feel
1:00:16
like we've we've covered it pretty well but Yeah,
1:00:19
we gave Cyclops just about as much time as we
1:00:21
gave Nicolas Cage today. Oh, yeah, Bill, did
1:00:23
you have a quote that you wanted to do? I think
1:00:25
I've done all my quotes except for one, and it
1:00:27
was during the final battle. Nicolas Cage, I
1:00:30
can't remember which one he was fighting, but
1:00:32
he said, you hard -boiled turtle slapper. Laughed
1:00:37
out loud, looked it up. It's like, because, I
1:00:39
mean, they even said in the thing I found, it
1:00:41
kind of went for the Humphrey Bogart thing, and
1:00:43
so he grabbed some lines from, like, the 30s,
1:00:45
and I'm like, dude. So good. That's fantastic.
1:00:48
I think it's also in that same scene. It's right
1:00:51
before that where he's just like, we don't pick
1:00:53
the ballroom. What is it? We don't pick the ballroom.
1:00:55
We just dance. Yeah. That's the thing. Like you
1:01:01
said, Sean, he was in it for five minutes and
1:01:03
40 seconds. He's still in a lot of ways. He's
1:01:05
an impactful character. It's a really, really
1:01:08
cool role for him. You know, if it is short.
1:01:11
Of all the Spider -Mans, that is not Peter B.
1:01:14
Parker. yes it's nicholas cage's spider noir
1:01:19
and then maybe the next most memorable or talking
1:01:23
about one spider ham yeah i think penny's the
1:01:26
most forgettable oh i like penny but yeah i agree
1:01:29
of that group still yeah yeah and gwen's gwen
1:01:33
she's a favorite people love gwen um hard not
1:01:37
to yeah killer costume cool story yeah yeah badass
1:01:41
the dancing shoes too i thought that was a nice
1:01:43
little spider gwen stacy spider uh spider woman
1:01:46
has in my opinion the best venom suit oh yeah
1:01:52
that one is really cool yeah so if you haven't
1:01:54
seen it it's the black and white but because
1:01:56
uh she has the hood the hood is the mouth the
1:01:59
serrated teeth around it that's pretty badass
1:02:03
And like inner heads in it. It's so good. That's
1:02:06
wonderful. I think throughout this podcast, we've
1:02:09
actually just delivered all of Nick Cage's lines
1:02:12
for the whole film. We probably did, actually.
1:02:16
All right. Well, shit. That's it. So this one
1:02:20
is going to come out. And then after that, we're
1:02:22
going right into Spider Noir. So this is kind
1:02:24
of a perfect parlay into that. And we're going
1:02:27
to do a weekly set of episodes for that. It's
1:02:30
going to be two of the show episodes at a time.
1:02:33
Sean will have watched in color and black and
1:02:35
white so we can get some feedback on the stylistic
1:02:39
aspects of that choice. And I'm looking forward
1:02:42
to that. It'll be a little interesting. To figure
1:02:44
out how we're going to talk about it in a spoilery,
1:02:46
not spoilery way. Probably spoilery. I think
1:02:49
it's spoilers. Spoilery. Just go watch the show
1:02:52
and then listen to us talk about the show. Yeah.
1:02:54
Yeah. Sorry for everybody who watches one episode
1:02:57
a week. Yeah. Pussies. If you don't want it spoiled
1:03:01
for you, you got to go get on MGM plus or whatever
1:03:04
and watch it two days before us. There you go.
1:03:07
That's the only way. All right. Thank you to
1:03:10
our sparkle buddies, Josh, Josie, Matt, Adam,
1:03:13
Bill. Hello. Stuart and Willow and our cage dancers,
1:03:17
John Freeman, Nathan and Cameron. Really appreciate
1:03:20
the support. If anyone wants to, you can support
1:03:22
us on Patreon. We're on some of the social medias,
1:03:25
but we're pretty lazy. And we are going to be
1:03:28
doing a showing of Con Air in Seattle on June
1:03:32
27th. So come watch that movie with us. It's
1:03:36
going to be. Great. At the Beacon Theater. At
1:03:39
the Beacon Theater. Good old Beacon. And also
1:03:41
thank you to Bill Panks for our intro music.
1:03:44
And that's that. Bye. I'm Sean. Bye -bye. Bye
1:03:55
-bye.