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Inexpensive Tips To Heal & Reset Your Gut Health · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: Hay Chicks.
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  Speaker 2: Before we jump into the episode, a quick trigger warning
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  Speaker 2: that this one discusses topics including food, nutrition, and other
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  Speaker 2: areas that may be triggering to some people. If you
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  Speaker 2: do think this episode may be triggering, please feel free
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  Speaker 2: to give this one a miss, and we've left some
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  Speaker 2: info on free resources for support in the show notes.
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  Speaker 2: It's also important to note that this episode does not
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  Speaker 2: contain medical advice and all topics discussed are general. For
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  Speaker 2: any specific questions, please reach out to your GP or
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  Speaker 2: a healthcare professional. Okay, let's get into the episode.
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  Speaker 3: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always
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  Speaker 3: will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Hay Chicks, i'ms out and this is too broad cheeks
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  Speaker 2: to show that shares life lessons and tips to help
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  Speaker 2: make you rich in life.
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  Speaker 1: And today we are in.
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  Speaker 2: For a doozy because we are joined by Laura Lum
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  Speaker 2: and accredited psychologists, nutritionists and GAPS practitioner and where talking
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  Speaker 2: all things gut health.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast, Laura.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, I am so excited to be here with
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  Speaker 4: you too.
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  Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you on.
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  Speaker 2: We were saying this episode's kind of been in the
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  Speaker 2: works for a couple of months now and we get
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  Speaker 2: so many like questions about this. Gut health is a
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  Speaker 2: huge trending topic, so we're really excited to dive into
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  Speaker 2: it with an expert.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really important for us to have someone.
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  Speaker 3: Who knew their shit for this because there's so much
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  Speaker 3: misinformation about it. You'd see it all the time. You
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  Speaker 3: probably get videos pop up on your social media and
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  Speaker 3: you'd be like, no, it's not right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can only imab love that we can talk
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  Speaker 4: about it in this kind of environment because your podcast
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  Speaker 4: is so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Yeah, exactly in that fine line in
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  Speaker 2: the middle. But before we dive into it, we like
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  Speaker 2: to start with a life lesson of the week.
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  Speaker 1: So, as our guest of honor, would you like to
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  Speaker 1: kick us off?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well mine is that kind of simple, practical and
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  Speaker 4: definitely based on this week. I love just YouTube play
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  Speaker 4: if I'm doing, if I've got some time for myself,
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  Speaker 4: and I was listening to this girl that was so
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  Speaker 4: inspiring about how to make food taste restaurant quality that's
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  Speaker 4: really simple in our kitchen, and she was saying why
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  Speaker 4: DoD salads taste so much better when you have them
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  Speaker 4: in a restaurant. So she had many tips, but one
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  Speaker 4: of them that I took away because I love my
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  Speaker 4: I've got a little girl. She's a toddler and I
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  Speaker 4: absolutely adore her and I spend as much time with
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  Speaker 4: her as possible, and she loves fruits and vegetables, thank goodness,
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god. So she's inspiring me. And one of
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  Speaker 4: the tips was culiar fruits and vegetables. So carrots, cucumber,
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  Speaker 4: apples and pop them in ice water, pop them in
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  Speaker 4: the fridge. This is what they would do in a restaurant.
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  Speaker 4: She was saying, maybe two hours, and then you add
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  Speaker 4: them to the salad and they're really crispy. So my
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  Speaker 4: adaptation was, rather than lug water around with you, it
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  Speaker 4: just pops some ice cubes in a tupperware and then
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  Speaker 4: head off for the day with your cut up cucumbers, apples,
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  Speaker 4: whatever you want. And then when it came to snap
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  Speaker 4: time for my daughter, I was taking them out and
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  Speaker 4: I was really excited to eat them because there's so
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  Speaker 4: much much more sensational and so fresh and crispy and tasty,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's.
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  Speaker 5: Going to put a love into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I made this, Yeah, romanticize the process, as
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  Speaker 2: well as it tasting really fresh.
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  Speaker 4: Rather than these sort of squished up fruits and vegetables
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  Speaker 4: a little type away right, that are room temperature, So
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  Speaker 4: I find I'm looking forward to it. So that's like
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  Speaker 4: a habit I plan to keep, especially through summer. Minds
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  Speaker 4: we want to be having.
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  Speaker 3: Fresh fruits and vegetables and sours a little herbivore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm vegetarian, so I'm like that works well for me. Yum,
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  Speaker 2: that's such a good tip.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. What's your life lesson?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: My life lesson is a new fact that I learned
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  Speaker 3: this week, and it was that study show people who decorate.
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  Speaker 5: Their Christmas tree early are happier in life.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh, so putting up your Christmas decorations can genuinely lift
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  Speaker 3: your mood, since festive lights and colors often trigger nostalgia,
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  Speaker 3: childhood memories, and a sense of anticipation for.
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  Speaker 5: Good times ahead.
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  Speaker 3: So this is basically everyone's green light put their Christmas
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  Speaker 3: decorations up. I know so many people, especially like maybe
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  Speaker 3: they've just.
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  Speaker 5: Moved out of home, or they're renting, or they don't
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  Speaker 5: put up a Christmas tree, And I'm like, just trust.
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  Speaker 3: Me, just go get a shitty little one from Kmart
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  Speaker 3: and like put up your tree because it literally is
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  Speaker 3: the best feeling ever.
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  Speaker 5: When do you put up your Christmas tree?
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  Speaker 4: Well, this year because I've got my little girl. I'm
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  Speaker 4: from Canada originally, yeah, and I have memories of pulling
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  Speaker 4: a natural tree home. So we are going to a
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  Speaker 4: Christmas tree firm.
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  Speaker 2: So are.
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  Speaker 1: They start from the end of this month. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited for that.
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  Speaker 3: I had a real tree growing up and it was
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  Speaker 3: the best ever.
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  Speaker 1: They smell amazing, it's wild.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, what's your life lesson this week?
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  Speaker 2: My life lesson of the week is actually kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a recommendation, and it's that two icons together equal
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  Speaker 2: something great. And that is because this week on Triple
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  Speaker 2: Jay's lack A version, Paul Kelly covered Kylie Minogue's song
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  Speaker 2: did It Again, and it is maybe one of the
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  Speaker 2: best things I have ever heard in such a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously Kylie Minogue the Princess of Australia. Paul Kelly is
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  Speaker 2: also an Australian icon and legend in the music industry,
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  Speaker 2: and I was just like, God, Australian music is good.
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  Speaker 2: With the arias this week as well, I just thought like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's my life lesson of the week. We need
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  Speaker 2: to appreciate and celebrate Australian music even more than we do.
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  Speaker 5: But go listen to that cover.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fucking good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was saying too, this is like a different thing,
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  Speaker 3: but it kind of reminded me of it when you
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  Speaker 3: said Darlie Minogue is the princess of Australia, that the
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  Speaker 3: Irwins are the royal family of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: So true.
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  Speaker 3: Like rob my partner was saying to me, he was like,
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  Speaker 3: who does the pr for that family?
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  Speaker 1: Because how have they.
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  Speaker 3: Never ever ever had like a single piece of bad press.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm like, I think that's just them because
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  Speaker 5: they're good people. I think that's just the Irwins.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And like Robert Owens on Dancing with the Stars,
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  Speaker 3: which is like my obsession of like the last six months,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so sad it's coming to.
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  Speaker 5: An end, but yeah, they're the best.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, love him.
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  Speaker 5: Should we get into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: So, Laura, can you give us a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: background about yourself and how you got into this.
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  Speaker 1: Line of work.
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  Speaker 4: As you know, I'm a psychologist, so I did that
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  Speaker 4: training undergrad psychology worked as an assistant psychologist and then
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  Speaker 4: did my adopt while training specializes in therapy for adults
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  Speaker 4: and teens. I've always been interested in nutrition, so I
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  Speaker 4: was one of those unusual people who would be reading
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  Speaker 4: like I remember back then it was like Patrick Holford's
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  Speaker 4: Nutrition Bible. Now it's really on the train and people
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  Speaker 4: would come and like, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Reading that for fun.
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  Speaker 4: I was always interested. I never really planned to study
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  Speaker 4: it and then apply it, but I did actually study
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  Speaker 4: nutrition full time in life when I actually it's a
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  Speaker 4: funny way it worked out. I disrupted my visa to
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  Speaker 4: work in London, so I actually my whole family lived
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  Speaker 4: in London. It's a complicated story, but I was on
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  Speaker 4: my own visa yeah, to stay. I thought, well, I've
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  Speaker 4: always wanted to learn more about nutrition. I'll do a
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  Speaker 4: nutrition course. So I did that alongside working as an
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  Speaker 4: assistant psychologist. So unusual, but it was a great time.
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  Speaker 4: Learned so much, and it was later that I started
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  Speaker 4: to see it as a way of application because during
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  Speaker 4: my doctoral training I was working with people with psychology
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  Speaker 4: right CBT, working with people who had severe OCD who
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  Speaker 4: had been in therapy for a long time. Counseling group therapy,
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  Speaker 4: psychoanalytic therapy, all sorts of different therapies.
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  Speaker 5: Than I thought.
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  Speaker 4: There's being more we can do to support even the
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  Speaker 4: vessel that supports their mind. I was so fascinated in
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  Speaker 4: the link between both directions. Right, our body influences our
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  Speaker 4: mind and vice versa, and I was really keen to
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  Speaker 4: do that for my research, but at the time it
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  Speaker 4: was just really not a thing. So I actually fast
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  Speaker 4: forward to when I lived in Australia. I had a
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  Speaker 4: period where I had some dental work, I had an accident,
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  Speaker 4: and then I had a lot of antibiotics, so I
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  Speaker 4: disrupted my microbiome. Microbiome wasn't this word that you heard
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the time. So basically for almost a year,
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  Speaker 4: I started to feel bloated. I started to break out
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  Speaker 4: for the first time on my skin, and I would
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  Speaker 4: be doing an exercise class and feel like leaving halfway through,
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  Speaker 4: which was.
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  Speaker 1: Really new for me.
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  Speaker 4: I usually have a lot of energy, and I remember
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  Speaker 4: thinking at the time, maybe this is aging.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 4: You can put it after other things. But then eventually
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  Speaker 4: I came across the word microbiome and I thought fascinating,
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  Speaker 4: So I started doing a lot of research, came across
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  Speaker 4: the gaps. Basically, digestive Healing program applied it to myself,
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  Speaker 4: and I always thought I was a healthy person before.
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  Speaker 4: My mom used to make our plato and put crushed
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  Speaker 4: up cherries to make the colors, you know, and they
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  Speaker 4: used to shop with us and get produced from the market,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that type of thing. So I just thought
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  Speaker 4: I was healthy. But when I did the digestive Healing program,
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  Speaker 4: I was even healthier than before. So because it made
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  Speaker 4: such a difference for me, I really wanted to study
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  Speaker 4: it and help other people. So that so I've come
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  Speaker 4: to be a guts practitioner today. So I have digestive
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  Speaker 4: health clinic and psychology life where.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: That's really interesting though, because there are so many connections
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  Speaker 2: between our gut health and general health, and then of
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  Speaker 2: course like our mental health as well, and our energy
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  Speaker 2: levels and so many of those things, and it's also interlinked.
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  Speaker 2: So that's really cool as well. You've been able to
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  Speaker 2: apply those schools of thought together.
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  Speaker 5: I'd love to know how does your gut health impact
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  Speaker 5: your mood?
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  Speaker 4: The best thing to kind of set that scene is
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  Speaker 4: the mechanism behind it, right, think about the animal experiencements
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  Speaker 4: that we're done. So I don't know if you've heard
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  Speaker 4: about vehicle transplants or it can be called crapstools, which
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  Speaker 4: is basically like stool in a capsule that people might.
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  Speaker 1: Take and that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you take who.
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  Speaker 4: Your code, actually do that because the idea is it
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  Speaker 4: change is the composition of your own bacteria you obviously
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  Speaker 4: want to be Yeah, it's a very How does one
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  Speaker 4: get these? Okay, so let's think animals take a shit
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  Speaker 4: and then I'm kidding, No, this was done. Actually there's okay,
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  Speaker 4: there's a Netflix documentary called Gut and there was a
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  Speaker 4: girl she had out of breakouts, which we know that
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  Speaker 4: a really diverse microbiome helps your gut lining become very healthy.
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  Speaker 4: It's all interlinked and your skin is a direct reflection
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  Speaker 4: of your gut microbiome. So she actually was taking the
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  Speaker 4: crap store. So she took crystal from her Boyfrost. That's romantic,
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  Speaker 4: and it was started working. So for whatever it was,
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  Speaker 4: it worked.
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  Speaker 5: But get this.
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  Speaker 4: You talked about mood, right, she started to become depressed
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  Speaker 4: because he had a history of depression. It has this
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  Speaker 4: composition of bacteria, not enough bacteria that make all the
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  Speaker 4: feel good brain chemicals. Right, and too many that can
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  Speaker 4: generate depression on low mooge, and so she stopped. But
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  Speaker 4: that's one example to set the tone. And there's animal
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  Speaker 4: experiments that really show this length really clearly. So if
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  Speaker 4: you take anxious rats, ones that are sort of fidgety,
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  Speaker 4: show a lot of anxious behavior, put them into one group,
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  Speaker 4: and then they're like, take really placid rats and put
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  Speaker 4: them into another group. And you take the store from
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  Speaker 4: the placid rats and put it into the anxious rats
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  Speaker 4: microbi on their gut, the anxious rats start to show
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  Speaker 4: more placid behavior and RoCE rosa.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously gut health is one of the most important
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  Speaker 3: things that you can be focusing on. Why do we
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  Speaker 3: need to be locked in and understanding our gut health?
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  Speaker 4: Ninety percent of serotonin, which is our joy brain chemicals,
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  Speaker 4: are made in the gut ninety percent, So if you've
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  Speaker 4: got an unbalanced gud, it's bound to affect your mood.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Wait, no, I hadn't actually heard.
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  Speaker 4: And then seventy five percent of dopamine and gabbas and
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  Speaker 4: gabba is your anxiety, right, So it's we can have stimulation,
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  Speaker 4: but we want to return to a state of calm
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  Speaker 4: and we want to feel centered most of the time.
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  Speaker 4: That's gather So seventy five percent is made in your gut.
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  Speaker 4: So again, if you've got dyspiosis, you're not going to
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  Speaker 4: be firing on all cylinders emotionally.
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  Speaker 6: I need a moment I heard that, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 6: because I think you kind of see more of the
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  Speaker 6: stats around you know, those happy brain juices and brain chemicals.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you know, working out and going for a
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  Speaker 3: walk and like you know, making your bed. That's like
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  Speaker 3: how you kind of get those good brain juices flowing.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that so much of it is haired
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  Speaker 3: to it's actually a physical basis. Yeah, and that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of that is like something that is very ignored
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  Speaker 3: or not well known, Like we don't know how to
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  Speaker 3: have good gut health because there's so much misinformation or
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  Speaker 3: there is just so much information that you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what to kind of go with. But with that in mind,
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  Speaker 3: what are some of like the red flags that someone
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  Speaker 3: does doesn't have good gut health?
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  Speaker 4: I think in life, because we're so busy and Sydney
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  Speaker 4: is such a fun place to live, there's so much
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  Speaker 4: going on all the time, and you might not take
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  Speaker 4: that stock to really reflect on what's maybe slowly changing.
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  Speaker 4: So I think if you know, you generally know how
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  Speaker 4: bloated you are, so fair enough hormone of fluctuations, that's normal, right,
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  Speaker 4: Maybe before your time of the month where you've gotten
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  Speaker 4: a full uterous line and you've got more progesterone, it
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  Speaker 4: causes slower digestive transit, so your gut is moving slower
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  Speaker 4: and it's more acceptable, right. It depends if you look
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  Speaker 4: like second trimester pregnant, then maybe there's a lot of distress.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that's a red flag. Right, If you're bloated most
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  Speaker 4: of the time and quite bloated, that's red flag, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's discomfort and distress. Other red flags would be energy levels.
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  Speaker 4: If you're usually feeling like buoyant and inspired, you just
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  Speaker 4: don't feel quite your self. Brain fog is very linked
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  Speaker 4: to biosis. Of dis Biosis is one word to describe
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  Speaker 4: too much bad bacteria not enough good bacteria. So if
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  Speaker 4: you're feeling sort of spacey and you're losing your words
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  Speaker 4: and normally you're not like that, again, that's another red flag.
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  Speaker 4: And skin breakos you know I mentioned that before, and
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  Speaker 4: suddenly your skin is breaking out, then in some ways
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  Speaker 4: like think of the gut as you're cleaning your detoxing, right.
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  Speaker 4: I think animal studies always kind of solidify everything. So
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  Speaker 4: there's one study where so methyl mercury is like highly toxic.
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  Speaker 1: If we take it, we're in big trouble.
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  Speaker 4: Budies have separated rats into like healthy microbiome and damaged microbiome,
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  Speaker 4: and they damage the micro biome by giving them lots
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  Speaker 4: of antibiotics. And the rats that have the healthy microboonds
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  Speaker 4: and the damage microums, they all get the same amount
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  Speaker 4: of methyl mercury. And the difference between how sick and
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  Speaker 4: how many of these rats die is so significant. Basically,
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  Speaker 4: almost all the rats who have the damaged microbiome, they
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  Speaker 4: don't survive the exposure to the toxin. But when you've
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  Speaker 4: got a healthy microbiome, your body is able to kind
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  Speaker 4: of neutralize the toxins and eliminate them from the body.
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  Speaker 4: So it's the same as you know, if you've got dyspiosis,
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  Speaker 4: you're exposed to toxins. We have hormonal fluctuations every month.
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  Speaker 4: Have you heard of estrogen dominance or like at times
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  Speaker 4: you can have too many male hormones, you can have
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  Speaker 4: too much estrogen and when your body, can't safely remove
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  Speaker 4: it from your gut, can't safely remove it from your body,
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  Speaker 4: Then it recirculates and that's when we can get breakouts.
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  Speaker 2: As we mentioned, gut health has been a huge trending
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  Speaker 2: topic in recent years. Is there a gut health myth
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  Speaker 2: that you say and on TikTok or online that drives
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  Speaker 2: you insane?
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a theme to some of them, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all want a quick fix.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So you have an issue, You're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 4: can take this thing and it tells me it's gonna
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  Speaker 4: make me better. But the way I see it is,
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  Speaker 4: it's not that they're bad, it's just I think we
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  Speaker 4: have to make a distinction between what's short term fix
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  Speaker 4: and what's the long term fix. Right, So bloating, for example,
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  Speaker 4: I think there's something called a gut shower and that
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  Speaker 4: have you heard of that?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the drink?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's I think it's not terrible. It's still
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  Speaker 4: whole food. But I think essentially it's chia seeds in water.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, that's terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Because chia seeds contain kind of fiber, which means it'll
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  Speaker 4: be cleansing. So those ones I don't think they're a
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: huge problem. I think some of the issue might be
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: spending a lot of money. You don't need to spend
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: on something that promises you to have a more diverse
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: microbiome when actually they're not practitioner grade supplements like probiotics,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: for example, we don't really know how they're stored. We
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: don't really know the concentration. Some probotics that have been
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: tested and they are pulled, they have more bad bacteria
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: than good bacteria.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe trusted therapeutic.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Grade probotics are the way to guard. So it can
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: be really inspiring to see anything on social media, right,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: but I think it's just maybe checking with someone on
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: the concentrations and how it's stored.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Is there certain strains of probiotic that are better than others.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Even good bacteria can be bad bacteria if it's too much.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: So really the key is diversity and balance. I often
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: recommend that people, if they're going to take probotics, rotate
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: their probiotics, so you know, two weeks with one probiotic
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: and then rotate again to another, maybe rotating three and
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: then coming back to the first one after that, so
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  Speaker 4: we're really getting as much diversity as possible, because that's
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: where your resilience is is not necessarily just a whole
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: bunch of one bacteria, and it's more about diversifying.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Is there a particular time that we should be eating
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: dinner to promote good gut health?
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Generally, in terms of timings for the evening meal, it's
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: great to eat while the sun is still up, so
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: it could be a little later in summer, a little
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: earlier in the wintertime, but ideally two to three hours
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  Speaker 4: before you go to bed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I feel that that's good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was wondering, I was like, is it
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to do with the sun or is it to do
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: minutes when you fall asleep?
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And your body got a little bit of both, right,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: so you might go to bed a little later in
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: the summertime. Choos is natural to respond to the fun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting?
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  Speaker 3: And do you know what whenever I've like worked late
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: or something's happened and I'm eating dinner at like eight thirty.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: One, feel shit.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: When I'm eating the dinner, I'm like, I'm so tired,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Like this just doesn't even this doesn't even hit, this
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: isn't even fun. And then I always feel like the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: sleep that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Night is so mid because it's like you feel not
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: as rested, but is busy digestive.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, is that why it's better to eat two
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to three hours before.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: It's like the ideals structures. You have something to eat
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: before the sun goes down, and a little later because
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: you've eaten well during the day, and then you go
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: for a walk because that just helps your whole body regulate.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Do whatever you want, and then go to badge.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, And what are some foods you wish more
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: women would incorporate into their diet to improve their gut.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Held So really we're looking I think, as a rule
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: of thumb, thirty different plant foods. Basically, you're feeding your gut, right,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: You're not really only feeding yourself, you're feeding your gut bacteria.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: So the more variety of plants you can have, the
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: more variety of bacteria you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Have in your gut.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And then if you add in fermented vegetables, then you're
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: getting lots of probatic bacteria. We talk about probatic supplements.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: There's bacteria in ferments like sauer kraut and kimchi and
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: yogurt that we don't even have names for in science yet. Wow,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: so it's great to have it in food form.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: What about fiber.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Fiber is really important, right, Yeah, So.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: The more variety of plants that you have, the more
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: different kinds of fibers. There is soluble fiber, insoluble fiber.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: We want a combination of everything. But on the topic
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: of fiber, it's like we were saying before, it's not
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: one solution for everyone. If someone is feeling bloated and
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: it is a red flag, I would caution to have
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: fiber in the form of food rather than supplements, because
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: if you're having that, you know that chia seeded drink
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, or cilium husk is a really big
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: digestive cleansor you can actually cause a lot of stress
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: for your gut because it can't deal with it, and
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: then it can block someone okay and make things worse.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: So prioritizing food that's high in fiber rather than supplements supplements.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's like.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty much the general of thumb though, isn't it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Even the foregmn mother nature and tandacy exactly If it
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: looks like it grew on the tree, then that's a
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: great start.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: We were talking about this on the podcast a couple
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago, and it was like things that we've
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: stopped buying, and one of mine was supplements that I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: think are just like a magic pill that it's like, oh,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I need fiber, or I need like more vitamin C
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: lah blah blah blah forh these magic things that it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: going to be, and it's like, no, I really kind
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: of just need to eat the fruit and the vegetable.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I love that because if you like that, you think, okay,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: I need fiber. And of course, like we love the
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: idea that it's all packaged nicely and it promises that
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: it's going to be fiber, but then just have like
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: what does that have in it? If it has something
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: like let's say apple pactern, then have an apple.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't need a vitamin, you just need
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: to eat an apple. How many times does a healthy
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: gut poop per day?
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, there are so many guidelines, they're wildly different. Regularly
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you want to be cleansing, so really ideally it would
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: be every day. What would be too much? Yeah, I
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: don't think you should be alarmed if if someone is
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: going up to three to four times a day, that
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: might just be how their gut is. But at the
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: same time, I think we don't want to let it
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: go more than two to three days. Personally, I would
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: say it really should be every day, but there's a little.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Ask people not poop drunk people don't.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, some people it'll be like once a week
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: or what Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: That is horrible those poor people.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I know, there is nothing more satisfying than a good exit.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, every day, I guess probably
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: as well, even more than maybe how many times. All
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the regularity, it would be like the consistency and what
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it's like right, Like it would be getting into but
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I guess it would be like what is it regularly
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: like for you?
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Like do you usually go every day?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And then you.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Found all of a sudden it is like every two
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: days everything Like it's yeah, like monitoring And it's a
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: great question.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Isn't it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Like what does it look like? Because ideally you want
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: it to look like a smile. Think of a smile,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: so it's flexible enough and it's not lumpy, and it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: not unformed so it could actually form a smile.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, I love this.
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  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: It's important. Information, but we don't talk about I think
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: it's good to know.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: No, it's a good question because also when we talked
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: about red flags, one that we didn't talk about is
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: that just because you're going every day doesn't even mean
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: that you're not. It's called impacted or feically loaded or
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: constipated or backed up, whatever word you want to use,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: because some people will have uh dehydrated like a stool
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: stuck within their gut walls, and that isn't necessarily coming out,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: but they're still able to go. And that's when you
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: see a lot of inconsistency.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's interesting, not a great image, but no.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Good Ready, just because you're going every day doesn't mean
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: that you're not backed up or feeqally loaded.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, to wrap up, we ask our guests the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: same question always, what is your biggest life lesson on
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: your gut health and professional journey so far?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Well, you can see how as we were talking, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: was sometimes raining myself in because we can go into
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: so much detail, and actually, a digestive healing program can
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: even include avoiding toxins right to the point of not
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: necessarily going in a swimming pool. If it's chlorinated, or
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: going into shopping centers because of all the synthetic fragrances.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: So having done a lot of reading and studying, I
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: think a lot of health practitioners can relate to. You
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: can go to a place where you almost know too
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: much and you restrict yourself too much. But my big
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: lesson is to go there so that you know how
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: it feels and then really just remember, Like what we
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: were just saying is but why are we alive to enjoy?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Why do we eat to enjoy and be healthy? And
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: that's part of being healthy. So all of these supplements
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: that we can have and everything, they are all things
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: to experiment with. I think I like the Chinese medicine
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: saying is it's better to eat the wrong food with
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: the right attitude than all the right foods with the
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: wrong attitude, like a really rigid like I'm being really healthy.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I like that I have balance and have those moments
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: for joy in there and experimentation as well.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's why I tell people that are about
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to go on a digestive healing program, is spend a
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: week or two just doing so many fun things fail
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: your cup with things that are joyous, because you're about
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: to do something really applied. But it's a treatment, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: It's not a diet forever. It's something you can always
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: come back to, just like the deep bloat scenario you
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: were going on. It's not something to do all the time.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Otherwise you'd never have your.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Favorite things, my wine, my pastor well, thank you so
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: much for coming on the show. For any chicks who
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: want to learn more about you and the work you do,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: where can they find you? Well, I have.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Digesseph Health Clinic on the Northern Beaches and Eleanora Hates
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: and I have Instagram which is doctor.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Laura lam Amazing.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: We can make sure we link all those in the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: show notes as well. But thank you so much for
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: joining us today.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Laura, and yeah you do. And thanks to your chicks
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: for having us in the ear holes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: We love to be here. We'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 5: Bye you, bye bye