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Relationships and Spiritual Growth — English/Spanish (May 2019) · Lama Lena Teachings

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  SPEAKER_01: Na Pupadang Palden Drupasuk, Kargyo Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla Sol Vah Dev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ochen Lama Namla Sol
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  SPEAKER_01: The second word of Garaburge.
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  SPEAKER_00: Meditation, practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can be amazingly creative with what we
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  SPEAKER_01: choose to distract
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  SPEAKER_00: ourselves from our practice with.
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  SPEAKER_00: Con lo que nosotros elegimos distraernos de nuestra práctica.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even though it's a great part of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: A big part.
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  SPEAKER_00: A great part.
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  SPEAKER_00: Which seeks enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's another part.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which seeks to remain
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  SPEAKER_01: As you are.
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  SPEAKER_01: It seeks to maintain the illusion of being an individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: It operates frequently as a survival reflex.
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  SPEAKER_00: You
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  SPEAKER_01: Ustedes,
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  SPEAKER_01: todos y cada uno de nosotros,
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  SPEAKER_01: desea continuar sobreviviendo
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  SPEAKER_00: como los que nosotros pensamos que somos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Y tenemos tantos criterios de las cosas que están bien y las cosas que están mal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sobre quienes debiéramos
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  SPEAKER_00: ser y quienes no debiéramos ser.
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  SPEAKER_00: Quienes estamos dispuestos
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  SPEAKER_01: a ser y quienes estamos dispuestos a ser.
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  SPEAKER_00: Este amontonamiento, esta pila, este montón que nosotros llamamos
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  SPEAKER_01: This slippy slidy, always changing pile.
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  SPEAKER_00: That has a tendency to believe everything it's thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: To believe that it's perceptions are
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  SPEAKER_01: accurate.
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  SPEAKER_01: El creer que las percepciones
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  SPEAKER_00: son veraces
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  SPEAKER_01: y considerar también los sentimientos
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  SPEAKER_01: vital importancia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Este amontonamiento, esta pila de cosas va a batallar.
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  SPEAKER_01: Las dos cosas para reconocer su
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  SPEAKER_00: propia naturaleza y de igual forma para no reconocer
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  SPEAKER_00: su propia naturaleza.
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  SPEAKER_01: Entonces nosotros estamos enganchados
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  SPEAKER_00: como un pedazo de algo pegajoso.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pulled between our hopes and our fears.
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  SPEAKER_00: We think we want enlightenment.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we want to have it all.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want enlightenment as the perfection of our selfness.
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  SPEAKER_00: We want to survive our enlightenment as who we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: This reflects to remain a sentient being.
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  SPEAKER_00: Esto causa el reflejo de mantenerse como ser sintiente.
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  SPEAKER_01: Este reflejo de sobrevivencia que el
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  SPEAKER_00: que mida de forma abierta desafía tanto.
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  SPEAKER_00: Existe en toda forma de vida.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero hay una
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero hay un opuesto y
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  SPEAKER_00: un igual instinto.
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  SPEAKER_00: Un instinto opuesto e igual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Que es tan fuerte como el instinto de sobrevivencia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jampa.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jampa.
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  SPEAKER_01: Todos ustedes lo sintieron.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there one here who has not loved?
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether you have loved your spouse,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever has been the object of your love, doesn't
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  SPEAKER_00: matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: No importa.
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  SPEAKER_01: ¿Cuántos de ustedes han tenido bebés?
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  SPEAKER_00: Y los hombres también cuentan si son padres.
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  SPEAKER_01: ¿Ustedes no se tirarían
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  SPEAKER_00: desde la cima de una montaña para salvar a vuestro
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  SPEAKER_01: bebé?
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what overcomes survival reflexes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Champa.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't use
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  SPEAKER_00: the word love because among us humans we often experience love
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  SPEAKER_01: a nasty, sticky way.
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  SPEAKER_00: We experience it as a wanting.
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  SPEAKER_00: To be loved.
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  SPEAKER_00: We experience it as an inability to experience being loved.
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  SPEAKER_01: We experience it full of grasping
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  SPEAKER_00: Lo vivenciamos lleno de aferramiento, de miedo y de la duda sobre uno mismo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Por supuesto que ustedes morirían
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  SPEAKER_00: por su bebé.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero ustedes también quieren que ese bebé crezca y sea un cierto tipo de persona.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kind, o competent,
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  SPEAKER_00: o creativo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you think is important to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then they become a teenager.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is when they decide to become not what you want them to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Y ahí es cuando ellos deciden ser eso que ustedes no quieren que ellos sean.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero quieren ser otra cosa
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  SPEAKER_00: que no es eso.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pero no es lo que ustedes quieran.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ellos están muy seguros de eso.
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  SPEAKER_01: ¿Recuerdan ustedes mismos haber pasado
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  SPEAKER_00: por eso cuando eran adolescentes?
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  SPEAKER_00: Quieren que me become timid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ellos quieren que yo sea tímido, pasivo, dulce, obediente, una niña que se porta muy bien.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, ni diablos que yo seré eso.
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces,
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the sticky part of loving your baby.
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  SPEAKER_00: What you want from your baby.
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  SPEAKER_00: What you want from your lover.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you want from your friend,
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  SPEAKER_00: your teacher.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually,
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  SPEAKER_01: When we do a relationship based on love,
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  SPEAKER_00: due to our neurosis,
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  SPEAKER_00: Pagchai in Tibetan, literally karmic formations,
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  SPEAKER_01: and our Geks, Geks,
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally glitches.
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  SPEAKER_00: We are unable to have a pure relationship in
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  SPEAKER_01: a pure manner.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we get into messy, sticky stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces nos enrollamos en líos pegajosos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hasta que nos volvemos mutuamente locos.
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  SPEAKER_00: La familia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Una palabra que normalmente se nombra con amor y desesperación.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ay, mi familia.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have a scent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a hungry man who thinks there's food from this scent, there is food around here somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have a scent of Jampa.
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  SPEAKER_00: But
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  SPEAKER_00: Lo distorsionamos a un amor deseable y pegajoso.
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  SPEAKER_00: Esto es porque nosotros nos fijamos en forma puntual, en nuestro amor, en nuestras relaciones.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love you, but not you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Point focus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Until you are able to allow it
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  SPEAKER_01: to naturally
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  SPEAKER_00: expand.
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  SPEAKER_01: Through dimensions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Assorted dimensions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Through, a través de una variedad de dimensiones.
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  SPEAKER_01: Into long body.
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  SPEAKER_00: En un long body.
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  SPEAKER_00: En un cuerpo largo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who you have been through the totality of time.
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  SPEAKER_00: El cual ustedes han sido en la totalidad del tiempo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Infinite past and future lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lovers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Infinite past and future lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vidas pasadas, presentes y futuras infinitas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where you have loved, given birth to and held in your arms.
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  SPEAKER_01: And given birth to and held in your arms.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: A baby?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, just... Will you repeat it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Given birth to and held in your arms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Habían dado a luz y haber tenido algo
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  SPEAKER_01: en las manos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cada uno de todos los seres sentientes en
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  SPEAKER_00: todo el universo a través del tiempo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cada ser ha sido vuestro bebé.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vuestra madre
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  SPEAKER_00: Your lover,
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  SPEAKER_01: those who are currently your enemies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now
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  SPEAKER_01: in America it is easy to give examples, we just think of our government.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am unfamiliar enough with your government that I cannot suggest that
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  SPEAKER_00: so you can think of my government.
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  SPEAKER_01: As an American.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you need to think of what is an enemy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not all of us have
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  SPEAKER_00: currently in this moment personal enemies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just as not all of us have in this moment personal lovers.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know that idiot in America has been your baby at some point.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you loved him with all your heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well in this moment he's not quite turning out the
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  SPEAKER_01: way you wanted him to.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bueno, en este momento realmente no se está manifestando de la manera que ustedes deseaban.
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  SPEAKER_00: No es la razón para retirar el amor de vuestro adolescente.
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  SPEAKER_00: Solo por el mero hecho de que alguien está actuando como
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  SPEAKER_01: un idiota.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cuando tu niño actúa como un idiota,
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  SPEAKER_00: ¿estás parado de amarlo?
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  SPEAKER_00: Cuando su niño o niña empieza a actuar como un idiota, ¿ustedes dejan de amarlo o amarla?
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  SPEAKER_01: Ustedes quizás lo miran de arriba abajo un par de veces.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bueno, quizás no sirve porque,
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  SPEAKER_00: pero ustedes desearían poder hacer eso solo para meterle un poco de sentido común
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  SPEAKER_00: ahí en la cabeza.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you don't stop loving them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consider this when you think of your enemy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Consider this when you think of your little enemies even like the mosquito
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  SPEAKER_01: that is buzzing around your head.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consideran eso cuando están pensando en sus pequeños enemigos,
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  SPEAKER_00: por ejemplo el mosquito que está volando, sobrevolando por arriba de vuestra cabeza.
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  SPEAKER_01: And lands to Y aterriza
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  SPEAKER_00: para alimentarse cada vez que ustedes se quedan dormidos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero está demasiado nervioso para quedarse en un solo lugar, alimentarse y después irse.
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces siguen ahí revoloteando y saboreando.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ese es vuestro bebé.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's no different than your teenager trying your limits.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trying what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Trying your limits.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know how they push limits?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you love the mosquito?
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  SPEAKER_01: In order to have a relationship,
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  SPEAKER_00: which furtheres your practice, rather than is used to distract yourself from it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need to approach this relationship
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  SPEAKER_00: Ustedes deben abordar o dirigirse a esta relación con Bodhichitta.
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  SPEAKER_01: ¿A cuántos de ustedes los criaron cristianos?
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces, olvídense de lo que dijo la Iglesia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lo que Jesús
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  SPEAKER_01: dijo.
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  SPEAKER_01: The church is a political body
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  SPEAKER_00: made of people
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  SPEAKER_01: who are no better than you might expect.
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  SPEAKER_00: The profits, the Siddhas, Siddhas, Siddhas, Siddhas,
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  SPEAKER_01: Lo que ellos han hecho va más
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  SPEAKER_01: allá de lo que ha fabricado la Iglesia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ustedes que crecieron en un país católico
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  SPEAKER_00: Probablemente están de algún modo conscientes de los líos políticos de la iglesia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Probablemente ustedes son menos conscientes
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  SPEAKER_00: de los líos políticos de las varias
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  SPEAKER_00: iglesias budistas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just as the Christians have Catholic,
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  SPEAKER_01: Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and all of these.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they fight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Y ellos pelean.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not always at every time in time, but at different times they fought a great deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no siempre en la misma época, en el tiempo, pero en distintas épocas siempre han peleado.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tibetans do that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who?
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  SPEAKER_00: Tibetans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Los tibetanos también hacen eso.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they're people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Porque son gente.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero si ustedes se dirigen a las enseñanzas
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  SPEAKER_00: verdaderas de Jesús,
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  SPEAKER_00: eran sobre el tener un
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  SPEAKER_01: corazón abierto,
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  SPEAKER_01: el perdonar, no es amor pegajoso, es
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  SPEAKER_00: el gran amor,
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  SPEAKER_01: It is for us as sentient beings who seek enlightenment
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  SPEAKER_00: to seek Bodhicitta.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we cannot recognize the real Bodhicitta,
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  SPEAKER_00: La bodhichitta real.
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  SPEAKER_00: Más allá de los conceptos.
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  SPEAKER_01: La danza de los dakas.
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  SPEAKER_01: En la forma, sin forma, danzando con el corazón abierto.
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  SPEAKER_00: De igual modo, a pesar de eso, podemos dirigirnos
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  SPEAKER_01: And away from the stickiness.
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  SPEAKER_01: By opening your heart to all life.
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  SPEAKER_00: By entering into an open hearted relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Al participar, involucrarse en una relación con un corazón abierto.
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  SPEAKER_00: With all life,
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  SPEAKER_01: you potentiate your practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: By entertaining your sticky stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want this from you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want that from you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Y yo quiero aquello de ti.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tú debes amarme de la forma que yo quiero.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eso es lo que yo llamo material pegajoso.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lo cual nosotros hacemos cuando nos enamoramos.
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  SPEAKER_01: ¿Verdad?
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  SPEAKER_00: Todos ustedes han danzado de esa forma con vuestros amantes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Se manifiesta como deseo, celos,
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  SPEAKER_00: enojo cuando nosotros no nos dan lo que necesitamos,
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  SPEAKER_00: el temor de que nuestros deseos y nuestras necesidades no serán satisfechas,
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  SPEAKER_00: And somewhere within most of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the dark night of 2 a.m. when we're alone,
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  SPEAKER_00: we are sure that we are not deserving of love.
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  SPEAKER_00: And no amount of love given to us
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  SPEAKER_00: Y no importa la cantidad de amor que se nos dé,
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  SPEAKER_00: es suficiente para convencernos que sí, somos merecedores de ser amados.
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  SPEAKER_01: Entonces queremos más.
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  Más.
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  SPEAKER_00: Más.
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  SPEAKER_00: Más.
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  SPEAKER_01: Más.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretta.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretta.
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  SPEAKER_01: For love.
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  SPEAKER_01: Para amar.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unsatisfied.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dissatisfecho.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the love we can be given.
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  SPEAKER_01: Por el amor.
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  SPEAKER_00: That cannot be given.
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  SPEAKER_01: That we can.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unsatisfied by the love that we are given.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dissatisfechos.
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  SPEAKER_01: With that little dissatisfaction that's running through everything,
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  SPEAKER_01: how this moment is not good enough, we have to get the next moment better.
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  SPEAKER_00: That hope and fear that arises out of having disassociated from one's own nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is why
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  SPEAKER_00: When you see the Thangka, Kuntuzango, Primordial Buddha, it is not singular.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is in union.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is in union?
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the singularity of these two aspects that is the true opening of all relationships
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  SPEAKER_00: Among sentient beings.
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  SPEAKER_01: Questions so far?
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  SPEAKER_00: You've been talking for a
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  SPEAKER_00: while about love.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I don't understand love the way you are expressing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: My impression is that you're talking about desire, need, sexuality.
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  SPEAKER_00: To me, that's not love.
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  SPEAKER_00: A querer?
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  SPEAKER_00: A querer?
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  SPEAKER_00: That at its best could be close to affection, to just somehow love somebody but not quite.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I suppose that loving
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  SPEAKER_00: means to give without expecting to get anything in return.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ask her, what kind of love is she talking about?
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  SPEAKER_01: The most common kind.
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  SPEAKER_00: El amor más común.
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  SPEAKER_01: We as sentient beings will often entangle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros como seres sentientes normalmente nos enredamos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our hang-ups with our love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Enredamos nuestros aferramientos, nos enredamos con el amor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero mucho de esto es semántica.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I am calling Jampa,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is the real love,
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  SPEAKER_01: the open-hearted love that is not entangled with trying to get what you want out
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  SPEAKER_01: of it, trying to get your needs met by it.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this is really a semantics in how we are using the word.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces esto es semántica, es decir, es la manera en la que estamos usando una palabra.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Si ustedes
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: pueden amar sin querer permanentemente que vuestras necesidades estén
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: siendo satisfechas por vuestro amante o vuestra pareja.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: Which is surprisingly rare in this world.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: Not lacking in existence, it does
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: happen.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: And in any relationship, even the stickiest one, it happens from time to time.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: Even in a
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: There are times when really you simply want what is best for the other.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: As long as they put the cap back on the toothpaste.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or whatever else it is that
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because we do that in relationships.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: We are not in the way we do things in life.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: We are not perfect.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Perfection cannot be grasped.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_00: La perfección no se puede agarrar.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Y si pasa y si surge hace mal momento, no la pueden agarrar y guardársela.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces en todas nuestras relaciones,
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: A veces amaremos en forma pura y abierta y en
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: otras ocasiones se pondrán muy
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: carenciados y muy pegajosos cuando tenemos miedo necesitado
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: y pegajoso
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando no tenemos miedo,
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: abiertos, el amor que aparecerá es posible.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Pero como seres sentientes, a veces tenemos miedo,
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: somos inseguros,
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: We fear that the one we love will not love us.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: We become self-focused of ego.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: And try to protect ourselves from whatever
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: we fear.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: De lo que sea que tememos.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Y por supuesto tratamos de agarrarnos.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: Lo que sea que deseemos.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Y cuando hacemos ese jalar y empujar en una relación, es
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: como difícil la relación.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not just talking lover relationships.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Think of your relationship
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: with your mother.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Your father.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your child.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your friend.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is why the opening of the heart
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: Por esto que el abrir el corazón
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: en toda la experiencia de Jampa en toda forma de
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: vida como la vitalidad de toda forma de vida es absolutamente importante
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: And to come to these realizations
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: while having intense relationships
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: of family, of lover.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: This is said to
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: Se dice que esto es aún más difícil
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: que no tener esas relaciones e irse.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces mucha gente decide hacerse monjes y monjas.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, same word in Spanish for both?
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Monje, monja.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't eat, we didn't eat, but I couldn't remember it in the feminine.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Protecting themselves
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: from both what may be learned and what may be
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: distracted.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: Al involucrarse con relaciones interpersonales intensas.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: Pero parece que nadie aquí al parecer ha elegido ese sendero.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces las enseñanzas de cómo caminar en ese camino no son relevantes aquí hoy.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: So walking the path
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: of living in the world as a householder.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: One who has family, lovers,
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: Relaciones interpersonales intensas.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uno precisa recordar que el mirar fijamente
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: o a través como si fuera un
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: The old one-eyed man looking through the tube.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Emocionalmente, es tan limitante como hacerlo perceptualmente, con la percepción.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Abran vuestro amor.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mean have sex with everybody.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm talking about heart, not growing.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: Whether you might choose celibacy or promiscuity,
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: is entirely up to you and what suits your personality.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about heart.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_01: Love,
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: include
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: that mosquito.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean be stupid.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: Just because you love that idiot who wants to harm you
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ese idiota que quiere dañarlos.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: El ladrón, el político, lo que sea.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: Eso no significa que ustedes automáticamente le permiten que los lastimen.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: El amor es abiertamente amplio.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: Se abre en forma vasta, ancha.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: Without abandoning common sense.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: Questions.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: Preguntas.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Ha empezado a hablar, ahora escucho bien.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Since the early morning when you started giving your explanations,
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've been feeling as if you understood me, as if you were speaking for me.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_00: Since the early hours of the morning, since I've been here,
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've been feeling very antsy and I really feel like crying a lot.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because I wake up and I go through my day as if I had a very large emptiness.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: And there is nothing there at the same time, there is nothing there, nothing.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time,
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: when I take a look at my partner, and
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like crying, and I go, well, but why?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: If this is what I actually want.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel I am next to a cliff by which I want to jump, but I'm really very afraid of it.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when this morning I was listening to Tara's mantra and yesterday what
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: the Lama told us,
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_00: my heart is more open but at the same time it sort of has shrunk as
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: if you were afraid.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: I need somebody to push me, but I know I am the one who needs to jump.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't we have our Matthias on there translating into Spanish?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: He usually is.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Matthias is often on the internet translating to
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_00: Spanish.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's not there today?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: The people who are here apparently are not in contact with him because they are not hearing him.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: I can just summarize, Lama.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can do it after every... Let me make an answer then.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because otherwise I will lose.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: Permítame que yo responda primero porque si no yo me voy a olvidar.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: Lo que usted está diciendo es una experiencia muy común
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: que simplemente nosotros no
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: hablamos de ella.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: Para ser honestos, ¿cuántos de ustedes
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: se han sentido así?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: En el sistema tibetano,
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_01: en los tantras,
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: nosotros trabajamos con símbolos,
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_00: porque saltar de ese precipicio directamente es muy difícil.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces le permitimos a los símbolos que nos asistan
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: Ese sentimiento, esa sensación que usted tiene, no el temor,
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: pero el vacío.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: Usted puede tenerle temor al vacío, pero separe esos dos.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: And the fear is of the East.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm sorry, disculpe, el interprete se equivocó.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: El vacío pertenece al Sur y el miedo pertenece al Este.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: Este es el mandala de los Budas Dhyana.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_00: El símbolo de Ratna Sambhava.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: The confusion which arises
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: when
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: Ratna Sambhava's innate nature,
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_01: true essence, is not directly perceived.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Is the feeling of having a giant empty hole of acuity at the center of oneself
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Es la sensación de tener un hueco vacío de vacuidad en el centro de nuestro ser.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Que nada nunca lo puede llenar.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_00: Lo que ustedes piensan
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: que nunca pueden tener suficiente, eso varía de persona a persona más.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: But that hole is a experience common to many of us.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: When in the process of working with emotions, in Dzogchen, one allows that feeling
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros permitimos que ese sentimiento sea
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: el mismo,
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: sin intentarnos de suprimirlo o salirnos con la
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_00: nuestra,
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: sin intentarlo de llenarlo o de acercerlo,
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: Sin intentar llenar el hueco o agarrarlo,
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: va a manifestarse como la joya que todo lo satisface
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: de la bodhicitta.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: Del mismo modo que vuestros
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: temores y vuestros enojos,
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you all noticed that fear turns into anger real easy and anger into fear
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: that they're all mixed together.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_00: Some people, if you scare them, they hit.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_00: They get angry, they strike.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you scare them,
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_00: Le dan miedo a esa persona, ellos les pegan, se las devuelven.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: Hay gente que si ustedes los enoja, es como que se agachan y
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_00: se ponen.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_00: O que va de una a otra, ¿no?
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando ustedes llegan a un punto que ni supriman ni entretengan sus miedos y sus enojos,
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: They arise as the clarity-like wisdom of Vajrasattva.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: And each of the five Dayani Buddhas.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: When neither grasped nor shoved,
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: The emotions
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_01: associated in that category, these are categories of emotion.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: Unravel their stickiness.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: And arising as the pure energy of the Sambhogakaya.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_00: Perceived directly transformed into wisdom.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the bigger the hole you suffer,
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_00: Y cuanto más grande sea el hueco que ustedes sufren tener,
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_01: más grande será esa joya que todo lo satisface al transformarse.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_00: Como seres sentientes, estamos todos jodidos.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: It is the nature of being sentient being.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_00: We sentient beings have never known errors.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_01: Kata.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: Primordial purity.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: La pureza primordial.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: Lo que es innato, lo que es
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: injodible de la mente natural es nuestra verdadera
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_01: naturaleza.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: Si ustedes escuchan estas cosas
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_01: The two things I just said,
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: with your either or of intellect,
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: they will seem to disagree with each other and be in conflict.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: But if you listen to these statements,
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_00: With the heart of open awareness.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: Just as in the yoga of the dancing stillness.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: There is no conflict.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_00: Between movement and stillness.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: Between fucked up inness and purity.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: Mientras el estar jodido y estar ser puro.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: He logrado de algún modo,
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_00: aunque sea vagamente, contestarle vuestra pregunta.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: A yidam
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: is a symbolic method
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: Es un método simbólico
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: para trabajar con todo esto.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando el caminar recto a través de esto no sucede,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now take your chance to.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando se despierta a la mañana también lo siente y le da muchas ganas de llorar.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_00: Y cuando mira a su pareja, su compañero, ella se dice, pero ¿por qué?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_00: Si esto es lo que yo quiero.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_00: Y no comprende.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_00: Y también siente como que ella está al lado de un precipicio y que se quiere tirar
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_00: al precipicio, pero que no se anima.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Y que ella siente que necesita que le empuje porque sola no se anima a tirarse.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_00: When we talk about DACAs and Dakinis,
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: And finding a tantric partner.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: To balance.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Para equilibrar.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: La energía daka.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: De la bodhisitta en forma.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Con la energía de la Dakini
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_01: de la libertad al estar abierto.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Es la unión, el juntarse de estos dos como uno
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which is the tantric nature of consort, relationship.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is not personal.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it won't work if you do it from the perspective
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Si ustedes lo hacen desde la perspectiva de tratar de llenar un hueco,
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_00: es necesario en ese tipo de relación para percibir la energía
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Of Sunyata and
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Bodhisitta
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_01: in each other, without becoming distracted by the sticky stuff.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_01: Con el material pegajoso.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Si ustedes intentan la práctica con un consorte mientras
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: se distraen con vuestro
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_00: material pegajoso cualquiera de
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: ustedes es probable que no vaya tan bien.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Other relationships that we have are sometimes based on mutual support
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: of each other's sticky stuff.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_00: You fill my hole a little bit and I will help you be not afraid.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or there's an exchange of sticky stuff.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: To transform such a relationship into its potential
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Of being the union of bodhicitta and emptiness.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: An incredible amount of trust.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_00: In both parties.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Trust in sopa.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Confianza en sopa.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: No confianza en la personalidad de los dos.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ese es el material pegajoso.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_00: No pueden confiar que esa persona no tenga material pegajoso.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Tienen material pegajoso.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Es una persona.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Y a veces te lo van a pegotear todo a vos.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Pasa.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Es el confiar
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_00: en el que mira de manera
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: abierta mientras el material pegajoso se
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: esparrama por todos lados.
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_01: That trust can only arise in a pair of strong practitioners
• 1:16:12
  SPEAKER_00: who are able to see
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_00: the nature of mind
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_00: In and as all its arising.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_01: How many of you have lovers partners
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_00: at this time?
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Really, are you all celibate?
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: So,
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces la próxima vez que ustedes estén disfrutando de la intimidad con vuestro
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: amante,
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: sin cesar,
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: sin dejar de disfrutar de la intimidad,
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_00: sin tratar de retener, de guardarse nada, o de llenar nada, con humor,
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And a few giggles.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Notice the nature of your mind.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Without stopping your pleasure.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just that.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Just what?
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: Just that.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: Just noticing.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And with your lover.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Y con vuestro amante.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Y la próxima vez que tengan
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_00: la oportunidad de realmente tener una pelea seria,
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_00: cuando se manifieste eso para
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_00: ustedes, y sí, va a pasar, ocurre entre los amantes.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mientras están peleando,
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Discutiendo,
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_01: viciosamente,
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: noten, la mente
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: natural, sin parar de pelear, sin tratar de perpetuar la pelea,
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Permitan que la pelea proceda como va a proceder, porque lo va a hacer, sí.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_00: La última pelea que estén teniendo, posiblemente es la misma pelea que
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: tuvieron la última vez.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Las parejas casadas tienden a tener
• 1:19:09
  SPEAKER_00: la misma pelea, a repetir lo mismo.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces, permitan que pase.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Mientras lo miran, todo ese fenómeno
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: se manifiesta en
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: la mente y se disuelve en
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_00: la mente.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Sin sustancia, sin duración y sin ningún residuo.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_00: El poder de la relación
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_01: In Tantra.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Is the transformativeness of the possible intensity.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_00: That arises in a relationship.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Big pile of wood,
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_01: big bonfire.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Unas pocas ramitas
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_01: va a ser una llama que prontamente se
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_00: va a extinguir.
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  SPEAKER_00: En tanto y en cuanto o de acuerdo a la intensidad de
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_01: vuestra pasión, so the
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  SPEAKER_01: Entonces, así será la magnitud
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: de vuestra realización.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Mi gompa, que está en algún lado, tiene arriba este pasto husa,
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  SPEAKER_00: And peacock feathers.
• 1:21:23
  SPEAKER_01: When the Buddha sat under the Bodhi tree,
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_00: he sat on Kusa grass.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Practice is the meaning.
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  SPEAKER_00: La práctica es el significado.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_00: El pavo real come plantas venenosas y las transforma
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  SPEAKER_01: en colores vibrantes
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_00: que casi
• 1:21:59
  SPEAKER_00: son imposibles de encontrar en la naturaleza.
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_01: El pavo real es el símbolo
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  SPEAKER_01: The transformative power of practice.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Questions.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: I've given you for those of you who are in union as practitioners.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean you're married with commitment.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_00: No significa que están casados con un compromiso.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Solo significa que tienen otro practicante que es vuestro amante.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_00: En este momento, la clave de la práctica con un consorte es el meditar mientras piensan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mientras cogen, mientras follan
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  SPEAKER_01: y mientras
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  SPEAKER_00: pelean.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Y el pelear
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  SPEAKER_01: es exactamente tan importante como el follar.
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Todo lo que les he dicho a ustedes este fin de semana ha sido algún tipo de
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's what works.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Any questions about the first teaching?
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: On Tantric
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  SPEAKER_00: Consort.
• 1:24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Until you've accomplished what I just said,
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_00: you really have no business doing the energy work.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_00: You'll hurt yourself.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Realmente no les corresponde hacer ningún tipo de trabajo energético porque se van a dañar.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces no traten de retener nada o de hacer que haga algo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Solamente en todo momento, en toda ocasión.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Ya sea que estén peleando o follando.
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  SPEAKER_01: Recognize the already known Dharmakaya nature of mind in its vital manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: As its vital manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: As you can.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_01: Esa es la clave para que ustedes tengan una relación pura.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, estoy hablando erróneamente.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Esa es la mitad de la clave.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_00: La otra mitad es bodhisitta.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dentro de vuestra capacidad, no
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_00: No focalicen fijamente todo vuestro amor en
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  SPEAKER_01: un punto único
• 1:25:56
  SPEAKER_01: hasta que ese affair termine y después se pasan a
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_00: otro punto.
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Y cuando ese affair termine se mueven para otro punto.
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  SPEAKER_00: No hagan eso.
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  SPEAKER_01: No es bueno para ustedes
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_00: y no es bueno para el objeto de vuestro amor.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: No les estoy diciendo que sean promiscuos si eso no es parte de vuestra naturaleza.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Les estoy diciendo abren el corazón a toda forma de vida.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen toda vida.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_00: And allow the love of all life to open and proliferate.
• 1:26:54
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be able to both give love to
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: all life and accept
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_00: love from all life.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: In whatever form it takes,
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  SPEAKER_00: Arise Bodhisitta.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Surge y se manifiesta
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  SPEAKER_01: la Bodhisitta.
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  SPEAKER_00: En la vacuidad como vacuidad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Todos los Budas de los cuatro tiempos aman
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  SPEAKER_00: a todos los Budas de los cuatro tiempos.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_00: A todos
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_01: los Budas de los Cuatro Tiempos.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Como los Cuatro Budas de
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_00: los Cuatro Tiempos y a todos los seres sintientes.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Porque no hay ninguna relación en absoluto, ninguna, perdón, ninguna diferencia en absoluto.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Todo tipo de vida
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  SPEAKER_01: loves all life.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_01: Life loves aliveness.
• 1:28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Aliveness loves its manifestation of emptiness
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: as phenomena.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is not self-focusedness.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Esto no es el estar enfocado en uno mismo.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Pero sí incluye el amarse a uno mismo.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Cada miembro, cada integrante de vuestro propio
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  SPEAKER_00: ser es merecedor de amor.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Sí, quizás necesitas retirar algunos miembros.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Sí, quizás ustedes van
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_00: a precisar expulsar o sacar algunos integrantes para proteger la ecología.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Pero uno no lo hace con odio.
• 1:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Por ejemplo,
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_00: si ustedes se da que terminan teniendo que tomar un antibiótico, un pozo de crudo,
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Algo que mata a las criaturas, un veneno.
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Díganlos manis.
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  SPEAKER_00: Para cada pedacito que conforman a ustedes mismos.
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  SPEAKER_01: De los que van
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  SPEAKER_01: a tener esos
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_00: pedacitos de ustedes mismos que van a tener que deshacerse.
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  SPEAKER_01: Para que el resto de ustedes pueda prosperar.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_01: With what
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  SPEAKER_00: type of attitude,
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  with what type of mind,
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Are we supposed to try to have a baby when we're trying to have a baby with somebody?
• 1:30:56
  SPEAKER_01: Comodicita and open awareness.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_01: With the same type of mind that you would make breakfast.
• 1:31:06
  SPEAKER_00: At all times and on all occasions.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Have I misunderstood the question somewhere?
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: Eh?
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Para qué?
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Para que una pareja funcione?
• 1:31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's just to be clear,
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_00: so for a couple to really work together,
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_00: they both need to be practitioners,
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_00: they both need to have bodichita, that's my understanding.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, some couples
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  SPEAKER_01: simply are such a good match to each other's holes
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_00: by luck or good karma.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_01: That they are able to support and satisfy each other.
• 1:32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And have a good and strong relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: For 50 years.
• 1:32:26
  SPEAKER_00: There are people like this.
• 1:32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Have you not met some who are not practitioners?
• 1:32:44
  SPEAKER_00: ¿Alguna vez has conocido alguno de ellos que no sean practicantes?
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Pero que se llenan los huecos mutuamente de manera satisfactoria
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  SPEAKER_00: y están satisfechos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Por lo menos para quedarse juntos por el resto de la vida.
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  SPEAKER_00: ¿Perdón?
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  SPEAKER_00: ¿Qué cosa con audio?
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  SPEAKER_00: So the bodhicitta will be there?
• 1:33:15
  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if that would be enough for you,
• 1:33:23
  SPEAKER_00: if you're not reaching for more, that is not a tantric partnership.
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's simply an ordinary good marriage.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you go among the people of this area,
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_01: the old folks,
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  SPEAKER_01: not the ones who practice Dharma,
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  SPEAKER_00: but the ones who are in church this Sunday morning,
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_00: and then go to a nice lunch in the market.
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: People of the place.
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  SPEAKER_01: You will find some very good relationships long term.
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  SPEAKER_00: That are not tantric.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perdón.
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  SPEAKER_00: If a person who is a practitioner but has a partner who is not a practitioner,
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  SPEAKER_00: what happens with that relationship in your opinion from your perspective?
• 1:35:05
  SPEAKER_01: And depends on the karma of those two individuals.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: It might work out just fine.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_00: If the practitioner continues to practice
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_01: and the non-practitioner
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  SPEAKER_01: Tiene el karma para estar satisfecho en esa relación.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces no necesariamente es un problema.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Es improbable que uno se ponga a practicar tantra en una situación así.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Pero es perfecto para el Zogchen.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Other questions?
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is there anything that can be done when you're in relationship with someone
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_00: but you're afraid, you're mistrustful?
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Practiquen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Your fear and your mistrust
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  SPEAKER_00: arise in your mind.
• 1:36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Look where they be happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the ground of mind itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Without abandoning common sense.
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Abandonar el sentido común.
• 1:37:06
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces si vuestra percepción que está en tu propia mente
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  SPEAKER_00: es que hay un peligro
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_00: mayor, un peligro locamente peligroso.
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  SPEAKER_01: Protéjanse y salgan de ahí inmediatamente.
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  SPEAKER_01: You may or not be correct in that perception.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_00: But better to be safe.
• 1:37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Leaving you other opportunities to practice and
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_01: recognize the nature of
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_00: perception.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Than to pretend everything is fine if it isn't.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Que fingir que todo está bien cuando no lo está.
• 1:38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Tú no sabes,
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  SPEAKER_01: nunca sabrás,
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  SPEAKER_00: si lo que piensas
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  SPEAKER_01: que está pasando en
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_00: la relación es de hecho lo que
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_01: está pasando en
• 1:38:13
  SPEAKER_01: la relación.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_00: O es simplemente lo que esperas que está pasando
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_01: en la relación.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_00: O es simplemente lo que tú esperas que pase en la relación.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_01: O el miedo, el temor está ocurriendo en la relación.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Nunca lo sabrás.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros interpretamos las sensaciones que nos dan los órganos de los sentidos.
• 1:38:59
  SPEAKER_01: La vista, el sonido, el olfato, el gusto, el tocar.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Y los sentimientos como percepciones.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros nos decimos una historia a nosotros mismos sobre lo que escuchamos.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Nosotros escuchamos sonidos, es como grupos de aire que vienen del sonido de unos tambores.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Y nosotros interpretamos en el idioma que eso tiene significado.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: But what another person means by those words?
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Lama, I'd like to correct something.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros escuchamos que le damos un significado con nuestro idioma.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_00: Lo que otra persona quiere decir con esas palabras, nunca lo sabrán.
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_01: You only have what you think they said.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_00: What you think they meant to say.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_01: What you think that gesture or facial expression meant.
• 1:40:49
  SPEAKER_00: Even if you ask them what did that mean?
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you scowling at me like that?
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they say because I'm trying not to fart.
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Are you going to even believe that or if you're caught up in a belief
• 1:41:16
  SPEAKER_01: that they're angry at you,
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_01: are you going to simply set that aside and continue angry?
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ustedes van a dejar eso de lado y van a creer lo que esa persona les dijo.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hacemos eso, ¿verdad?
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: Usamos nuestras sensaciones sin reconocer que esos son pensamientos tienen muy poco peso
• 1:41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Surgen en la
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_00: mente y se disuelvan en la mente.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Y nunca han sido otra cosa
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_01: más que eso.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Si ni siquiera pueden sentarse arriba de ellos, ¿por qué confían
• 1:42:11
  SPEAKER_01: tanto en ellos?
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Lo mismo se puede decir de los sentimientos y las percepciones, todo ese big black.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_01: A Rapture Dorje,
• 1:42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Gaylong Rapture Dorje,
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_01: an old friend of mine,
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_01: who entered into enlightenment in the bardo city in Tudom about six months ago.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_00: Once when I took him to task when we were younger,
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_01: To task?
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_01: To work?
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_01: You scolded him?
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, when we were younger.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: For fighting with other yogis over an old board.
• 1:43:11
  SPEAKER_00: For pelear con otros yogis sobre una tabla vieja.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Looked at me and said, you Engies are no one to talk.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Engie means westerner.
• 1:43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Engie significa occidental.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_01: You fight over feelings,
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_00: ideas, and perceptions.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't even sit on them.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_00: They won't hold your teacup.
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_00: At least this old word is useful.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_00: And when that type of thought becomes physical and it creates
• 1:44:11
  SPEAKER_00: physical type of pain,
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_01: A what?
• 1:44:29
  SPEAKER_00: A physical type of pain?
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_01: That means that your bilblah of thoughts,
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: feelings and perceptions
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_00: is currently manifesting as the experience
• 1:44:50
  SPEAKER_00: of physical pain.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_00: It can be pain in the heart,
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_00: the gallbladder, stress migraine, when we are caught up in our stories to
• 1:45:04
  SPEAKER_01: the extent
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: That our muscles and bodies and brain chemicals and nervous system are affected.
• 1:45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Then we will experience sensations of the body.
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Pain is considered a tactile sensation.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_00: El dolor se considera una sensación
• 1:46:04
  SPEAKER_01: táctil.
• 1:46:06
  SPEAKER_00: No es infrecuente darnos
• 1:46:10
  SPEAKER_01: a nosotros mismos una sensación
• 1:46:12
  SPEAKER_00: de los seis órganos sensoriales.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_01: Por medio de nuestra interpretación de los fenómenos.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: En la ciencia occidental, vuestro Yi, el órgano del sexto sentido,
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_01: Es un amontonamiento de
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_00: tejido neuronal que rodea las tripas y la parte superior de
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_00: las
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_01: tripas está más o menos
• 1:47:04
  SPEAKER_00: como alrededor del corazón abajo.
• 1:47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Este tejido neuronal es extremadamente sensible a los neurotransmisores.
• 1:47:30
  SPEAKER_00: El Yi es el órgano sensorial por el cual nosotros percibimos la sensación de las emociones.
• 1:47:55
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, we manifest our feelings as more than just sensation.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_00: We manifest our feelings as perceived experience.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_00: The sensation is neither pleasant nor unpleasant.
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_00: La sensación no es ni placentera ni displacentera.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Puede ser muy intensa.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Una vez que la nombramos miedo o ansiedad, se convierte en una percepción del miedo.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_00: Si en lugar de nombramos esa misma sensación, excitación,
• 1:48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Si en vez de hacer eso, nombramos la misma sensación como entusiasmo,
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_01: nos gustaría.
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Pero si la nombramos temor, no nos gusta.
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros nombramos nuestras
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_01: sensaciones de acuerdo al patrón kármico de nuestros hábitos.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Algunos senten miedo como miedo.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Algunos sienten el miedo como el entusiasmo.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Ustedes harán o crearán su mundo habitual de hábitos.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Out of the arising according to karma.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_00: De acuerdo a lo que surja conforme a vuestro karma.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_00: De los fenómenos.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_00: Otras preguntas.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, according to what you just said, what gives reality Le da el nombre.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Sin nombrarlo, todavía es una sensación.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_00: Un bebé que no habla todavía en un idioma.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_01: When the diaper pin, the pin that holds the diaper by accident opens and opens the baby.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_00: They have a sensation.
• 1:50:51
  SPEAKER_00: Usually,
• 1:51:13
  SPEAKER_01: No simplemente tienen una sensación.
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_00: Porque aunque los bebés no tengan palabras,
• 1:51:18
  SPEAKER_01: tienen karma.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Cualquiera que tenga más de un niño, ustedes ya saben que vienen con un karma ya.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they pop out there, they're in your hands and it's already somebody there.
• 1:51:39
  SPEAKER_01: And they're different from each other even in that moment.
• 1:51:43
  SPEAKER_00: So some babies, when they get tricked by a pin, yell with anger.
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_01: They respond to one sensation of the tactile sense organ.
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  SPEAKER_01: With a subtle non-verbal
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  SPEAKER_01: belief that something did something to me.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Damn it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Con una creencia no verbal y sutil que algo me hizo algo a mí.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, no está en palabras, pero es la manifestación de una emoción.
• 1:52:39
  SPEAKER_00: Algunos bebés lloran con tristeza porque el mundo los ha...
• 1:52:59
  SPEAKER_00: Traicionado cuando los pincha un gancho.
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  SPEAKER_01: El mismo estímulo.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sin palabras.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero hay una historia ahí.
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  SPEAKER_01: Si cualquiera de ustedes recuerda su infancia.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Alguna gente lo recuerda, no
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  SPEAKER_01: es raro.
• 1:53:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the most common thing, but many do.
• 1:53:32
  SPEAKER_01: You will probably remember all sorts of theories and belief systems
• 1:53:36
  SPEAKER_01: before you
• 1:53:37
  SPEAKER_00: could talk that weren't in words but
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_00: were in pictures.
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_00: We have been projecting our belief systems onto realities.
• 1:53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros venimos proyectando nuestros sistemas de creencias en la realidad.
• 1:54:00
  SPEAKER_01: Desde el comienzo de los tiempos.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Nosotros creamos nuestra propia experiencia.
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_01: Y nos cambia esa creación.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_00: Ahora ustedes pueden ser quienes son ahora, no son los que eran cuando
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_01: tenían 15 años.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ustedes cambiaron.
• 1:54:28
  SPEAKER_01: Porque tuvieron experiencias.
• 1:54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Pensaban que estaban realmente sucediendo.
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_00: Y fueron cambiados por ellas.
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Pero ustedes las inventaron.
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  SPEAKER_00: De acuerdo a experiencias del pasado, quiénes
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  SPEAKER_00: ustedes son es una respuesta
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  SPEAKER_01: What never happened.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you will react according to those responses.
• 1:55:11
  SPEAKER_00: And to create the next.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_00: Relief system of what is going on.
• 1:55:24
  SPEAKER_00: El próximo sistema de creencias sobre lo que está ocurriendo.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Y van a reaccionar
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_01: a eso.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros los seres sentientes hacemos eso.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_01: Momento a momento nosotros creamos karma.
• 1:55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Al enganchar juntos NAMTALK, discursive thoughts, thought chain.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Namtok, el pensamiento discursivo, la cadena de pensamientos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Que no es solo pensamientos, es
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_00: toda una diversidad de pensamientos, sentimientos, sensaciones.
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  SPEAKER_01: We connect them and take them as real and solid in their connection, connectedness.
• 1:56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Los tomamos y los relacionamos como si fueran sólidos,
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_00: como si estuvieran verdaderamente conectados.
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_01: De acuerdo a nuestros patrones pasados.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces nosotros nos cambiamos
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_01: a nosotros mismos.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_00: Y cambiamos al responder a nuestras propias percepciones.
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  SPEAKER_00: En respuesta a este
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  SPEAKER_01: Respondiendo
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  SPEAKER_00: a esta historia,
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_00: este patrón de historias, hechos de pensamientos y de sentimientos.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_01: Que estamos inventando de acuerdo a patrones pasados.
• 1:57:05
  SPEAKER_00: Por la cual nosotros creamos los patrones futuros.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_01: Y venimos haciendo eso.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_01: Desde el interior.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Desde el comienzo infinito y sin comienzo de los tiempos.
• 1:57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Again and again.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_01: Turning the wheel of life.
• 1:57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Rising to the top of the God realms.
• 1:57:42
  SPEAKER_00: Falling to the depths of the hells.
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_00: And wandering everywhere in between.
• 1:57:52
  SPEAKER_00: Are you tired of this yet?
• 1:57:53
  SPEAKER_00: Practice.
• 1:57:54
  SPEAKER_00: And do not grasp the result of practice.
• 1:58:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or to grasp at the result of practice is
• 1:58:26
  SPEAKER_00: how you have an error into the God realms.
• 1:58:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's not what this is about, you've been there, you've done that several times.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you see the arising thought,
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_00: feeling perception in the context of natural mind in the context of open awareness
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  SPEAKER_00: as open awareness
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  SPEAKER_00: En el contexto del que mira en forma abierta,
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  SPEAKER_00: de manera abierta,
• 1:59:27
  SPEAKER_00: a través del que mira de manera
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  SPEAKER_01: abierta,
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  SPEAKER_01: en
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  SPEAKER_00: forma vasta, en forma ancha y vasta, mientras eso está ocurriendo, no crea,
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  SPEAKER_01: It does not perpetuate.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you sit without perpetuating
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  SPEAKER_00: confusion, no, without perpetuating karma for a while,
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  SPEAKER_01: Without performing any action of body.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of speech.
• 2:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or of mind.
• 2:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: The display unravels.
• 2:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: And directs perception
• 2:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: of isness.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Naturally occurs
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  SPEAKER_01: without the need of grasping or maintenance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not an ending.
• 2:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: It is a dynamic point that includes all points
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  SPEAKER_00: It is neither a phenomena nor an absence of phenomena.
• 2:01:15
  SPEAKER_00: We speak in many analogies
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  SPEAKER_01: in the teachings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the truth is inconceivable.
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: Unspeakable.
• 2:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: How many of you here speak more than one language?
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  SPEAKER_01: So those of you who are bi or trilingual
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces entre ustedes los que son bilingües o trilingües
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  SPEAKER_01: surely have noticed surely
• 2:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: have noticed
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  SPEAKER_00: surely have noticed
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  SPEAKER_01: that there are things you can think in one language
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  SPEAKER_01: but not in the other.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Language is limited.
• 2:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: Enlightenment is not.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: Therefore you cannot put it in light.
• 2:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: The Buddha himself gave 84.000 different teachings.
• 2:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: The Buddha himself gave 84.000 different teachings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Without once describing
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  SPEAKER_01: Sin describirla ni siquiera una
• 2:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: vez en su totalidad.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: Las palabras no llegan ahí.
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  SPEAKER_00: La clave es la práctica.
• 2:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: Otras preguntas.
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: A simple question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Perdón, caballero, pero no lo escuché bien.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_00: ¿Dónde está el cambio de vía para diferenciar?
• 2:04:00
  SPEAKER_00: ¿Rompe pelotas?
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: ¿Qué toca pelotas?
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  SPEAKER_00: ¿Molesta?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, gracias.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_00: Entendí, gracias.
• 2:04:12
  SPEAKER_00: Where is the intersection between a creative mind and a mind that is a bit of a bore?
• 2:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: A mind that is a bit of a bore.
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_00: Una mente que es rompe pelotas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Embraces its limits.
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  SPEAKER_00: Abrace sus propios límites.
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  SPEAKER_00: Una mente
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  SPEAKER_01: creativa.
• 2:04:54
  SPEAKER_00: A través de la creatividad.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: Nirmanakaya, Tigli.
• 2:05:04
  SPEAKER_01: Emerge como la manifestación del que mira de manera
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  SPEAKER_00: abierta en toda su vitalidad.
• 2:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: Los límites,
• 2:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: las orejeras, las
• 2:05:35
  SPEAKER_00: Eso que se ponen los caballos para no ver.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Una mente aburridora o aburrida.
• 2:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: No trata de ir más allá de las limitaciones
• 2:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: que tiene.
• 2:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: Una mente creativa es la manifestación de la energía vital del Dharmakaya.
• 2:06:14
  SPEAKER_00: Otras preguntas.
• 2:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: About the question I asked before.
• 2:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: The question was if the fixation of the story we tell ourselves starts in the concept.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_00: But what I perceived,
• 2:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: and I don't know if it's correct, Is that the baby, it does not have concepts yet?
• 2:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: And is by then creating its own story?
• 2:07:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is that so?
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: When I was a baby, I created extremely complex stories.
• 2:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yo creí historias increíblemente complejas.
• 2:07:26
  SPEAKER_01: But I have always remembered my infancy.
• 2:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: I remember being born and what I was thinking.
• 2:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: Something on the order of holy shit, but not in words.
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_00: Even bugs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aún los insectos tienen conceptos.
• 2:07:58
  SPEAKER_00: Simplemente no tienen palabras.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: Y las criaturas muy simples, como organismos unicelulares, realmente solo tienen el
• 2:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: deseo y la aversión.
• 2:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: Do much more complex than that.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Run from what might is averse,
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: like if you have an amoeba on a slide and you put a drop of alcohol, it moves away.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if you put a little bit of glucose, it moves towards.
• 2:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: Si, lo pago dulce, entonces vienen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pero una vez que ustedes tienen el
• 2:08:59
  SPEAKER_00: yo soy,
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  SPEAKER_00: ya sea que lo tengan en palabras
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  SPEAKER_01: o no,
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_01: entonces
• 2:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: ustedes tienen, ah, esto
• 2:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: es lo que yo deseo continuar siendo.
• 2:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: El reflejo de la sobrevivencia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Entonces ustedes
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  SPEAKER_00: van hacia las cosas que le van a promover
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_00: O fomentar que ustedes continúan siendo.
• 2:09:26
  SPEAKER_00: O que ustedes perciben
• 2:09:29
  SPEAKER_01: que será así.
• 2:09:30
  SPEAKER_01: O se alejarán de las cosas que ustedes perciben que van a lastimarles su capacidad de continuar.
• 2:09:37
  SPEAKER_00: El deseo y la aversión son prácticas.
• 2:09:50
  SPEAKER_00: Básicamente y totalmente existe a un nivel muy básico.
• 2:09:53
  SPEAKER_01: Y después se convierte en algo más y más complejo a medida que el organismo se acomplejiza.
• 2:09:58
  SPEAKER_01: ¿Alguna otra última pregunta?
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if you can guide us into a practice
• 2:10:41
  SPEAKER_00: where we can try not to push, not to shove,
• 2:10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Or hold the feelings.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what I've been hearing that we should do.
• 2:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't get caught in should.
• 2:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the interpreter added that word.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think the interpreter added should.
• 2:11:08
  SPEAKER_00: What we need to do.
• 2:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you asking how to not grasp and shove away your feelings?
• 2:11:22
  SPEAKER_00: Usted me está preguntando cómo no agarrar y no empujar los sentimientos?
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:11:30
  SPEAKER_01: By relaxing.
• 2:11:36
  SPEAKER_01: By watching.
• 2:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Recognizing.
• 2:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: The nature of open awareness in the feelings.
• 2:11:49
  SPEAKER_00: La naturaleza del que mira en forma abierta en los sentimientos
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_00: sin la necesidad de cambiarlos.
• 2:11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando nosotros actuamos sobre un sentimiento
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: usualmente es para aliviar ese
• 2:12:02
  SPEAKER_00: sentimiento.
• 2:12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Si yo estoy enojada y me pongo a putear
• 2:12:20
  SPEAKER_01: Libera ese enojo.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Se siente como que yo estoy aliviando el enojo, no está.
• 2:12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Pero si yo actúo el enojo al ponerme a gritar
• 2:12:31
  SPEAKER_00: a la persona con la cual estoy enojada estoy haciendo esto.
• 2:12:50
  SPEAKER_01: To relieve my anger, to make it go away.
• 2:12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Para aliviar mi enojo, para deshacerme del enojo.
• 2:12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Pero si realmente les pego fuerte, ya no voy a estar enojada.
• 2:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: Estoy tratando de deshacerme de él.
• 2:12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces, el actuar vuestra emoción es empujarlas para que se vayan.
• 2:13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Justamente como supresarla.
• 2:13:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm a good Dharma practitioner.
• 2:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't get angry.
• 2:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: I have bodhichitta.
• 2:13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I do not actually want to strangle the sentient being.
• 2:13:34
  SPEAKER_00: To work with emotions, you need a certain amount of self-honesty.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Para trabajar con las emociones necesitan una buena dosis de honestidad,
• 2:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: ser honesto con uno mismo.
• 2:13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Y en esa honestidad con uno mismo
• 2:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: que ni niega ni actúa sobre la emoción,
• 2:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: One opens one's attention of awareness,
• 2:14:19
  SPEAKER_00: opens the orifice of one's attention, from point focus on the feeling,
• 2:14:43
  SPEAKER_01: To infinite open awareness.
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Once awareness is allowed to open to infinity.
• 2:14:50
  SPEAKER_00: While feeling, not instead of feeling.
• 2:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can only really accomplish this.
• 2:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: With a naked feeling.
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: If your feeling is wearing a great many stories,
• 2:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: is clothed in stories about why you feel this and the justification for feeling this
• 2:15:35
  SPEAKER_01: and What happened,
• 2:15:38
  SPEAKER_01: what those perceptions were that you now feel this because of that.
• 2:15:43
  SPEAKER_01: All these stories like clothing.
• 2:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Si, vuestros pensamientos no están desnudos,
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_00: están vestidos de preguntas como qué pasó,
• 2:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: la justificación por lo que siento, qué es esto, cosas así, entonces...
• 2:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: To simply see these thoughts that make up the story.
• 2:16:20
  SPEAKER_00: These thoughts that are embroiled with the feeling wound around it.
• 2:16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Watch these thoughts arise in mind
• 2:16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Miran estos pensamientos como surgen en la mente,
• 2:16:49
  SPEAKER_00: como la mente
• 2:16:50
  SPEAKER_01: se disuelve espontáneamente en la mente,
• 2:16:55
  SPEAKER_01: como lo hacen todos
• 2:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: los pensamientos,
• 2:16:58
  SPEAKER_00: sin dejar residuo, como el rastro de un pájaro en el cielo.
• 2:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Esto va a desnudar al sentimiento de la historia.
• 2:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: No traten de dejar de pensar esos pensamientos.
• 2:17:25
  SPEAKER_00: No los entretengan esos
• 2:17:26
  SPEAKER_00: pensamientos y se enfocanicen en ellos.
• 2:17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando tengan ese sentimiento al desnudo,
• 2:17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Don't name it.
• 2:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the beginning of a story.
• 2:17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I am angry.
• 2:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I am happy.
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I am excited.
• 2:18:03
  SPEAKER_01: I am lustful.
• 2:18:05
  SPEAKER_01: I am desirous.
• 2:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: I am jealous.
• 2:18:11
  SPEAKER_01: At this point, you are done with the naming.
• 2:18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Estoy ansioso, estoy feliz, estoy entusiasmado, estoy lujurioso, estoy deseoso, estoy celoso.
• 2:18:22
  SPEAKER_00: En este punto han terminado
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  SPEAKER_01: de nombrar.
• 2:18:29
  SPEAKER_00: El nombrarlo simplemente es la ropa interior.
• 2:18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Todavía lo estamos desnudando.
• 2:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Una vez que lo tienen desnudo, déjenlo simplemente como es.
• 2:18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Feel it.
• 2:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be.
• 2:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Do not mind it.
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do not attempt to resolve it, shove it away or anything else.
• 2:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Just leave it be.
• 2:19:03
  SPEAKER_01: But also do not attempt to justify it, pet it, approve of it, disprove of it.
• 2:19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it be.
• 2:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Déjenlo ser,
• 2:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: no traten de modificarlo,
• 2:19:17
  SPEAKER_00: no traten de cambiarlo,
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: pero tampoco traten de justificarlo,
• 2:19:22
  SPEAKER_00: aprobarlo, desaprobarlo, simplemente déjenlo ser.
• 2:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: La razón por
• 2:19:31
  SPEAKER_00: la cual nosotros separamos los pensamientos de los sentimientos,
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: even though they're so interwoven thoughts,
• 2:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: feelings and perceptions, that whole bilblah is almost like one thing.
• 2:19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Not thing.
• 2:19:43
  SPEAKER_00: One thing, not thing.
• 2:19:44
  SPEAKER_00: But not really divisible, but nonetheless we pretend to divide it.
• 2:20:08
  SPEAKER_00: No es divisible, pero de cualquier modo nosotros tenemos la expectativa de dividirla.
• 2:20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Porque para la mayoría de los seres sintientes como nosotros es
• 2:20:18
  SPEAKER_00: más fácil primero
• 2:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: desnudar al pensamiento, primero ver que los pensamientos
• 2:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Arise in mind as mind have never been other than mind.
• 2:20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then the feelings.
• 2:20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And for the perceptions.
• 2:20:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is a matter of recognizing them as the perceiver.
• 2:21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Es una cuestión de reconocerlas como el que percibe, el perceptor.
• 2:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Lo hacemos en este orden impuesto, no en el orden real.
• 2:21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Porque para la mayoría de la gente esto es más fácil.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sin embargo, en el Zogchen puro,
• 2:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: No hay ni método ni carencia de método.
• 2:21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Y todo eso se reconoce a
• 2:21:36
  SPEAKER_00: la misma vez.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Obviamente es así.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_00: Y no hay ninguna separación entre el camino y el fruto.
• 2:22:00
  SPEAKER_01: But that is from the perspective of fruition.
• 2:22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Nosotros,
• 2:22:04
  SPEAKER_00: los seres sintientes confundidos,
• 2:22:05
  SPEAKER_00: necesitamos percibir un camino hasta que dejamos de hacerlo.
• 2:22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Otras preguntas.
• 2:22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces hemos terminado.
• 2:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, we're all in this together.
• 2:22:38
  SPEAKER_01: The only
• 2:22:41
  SPEAKER_01: emotion perception idea
• 2:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: capable of overcoming that damn self-preservation instinct.
• 2:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: Capaz de sobrepasar ese maldito instinto de sobrevivencia.
• 2:23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Que perpetúa la separación, un perceptor y un percibido,
• 2:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: al crear la esperanza y el miedo.
• 2:23:12
  SPEAKER_00: Lo que lo supera,
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  SPEAKER_01: Is the innate open awareness of Bodhicitta.
• 2:23:31
  SPEAKER_00: The pure, open-hearted love.
• 2:23:33
  SPEAKER_00: To which sticky stuff can't stick.
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_00: En el cual el amor pegajoso no se puede pegar.
• 2:24:00
  SPEAKER_01: And as such, all life.
• 2:24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Y como tal, toda
• 2:24:05
  SPEAKER_00: forma de vida, loves life.
• 2:24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Ama la vida.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Give a dear, near to dawn.
• 2:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: We need to distribute
• 2:24:29
  SPEAKER_02: the pages,
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  Lama.
• 2:24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Here it is.
• 2:24:53
  SPEAKER_00: They need to distribute the copies.
• 2:24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 2:24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, while she's doing that, there's one other thing I'd like to bring up.
• 2:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Many of you are already partnered with some of our yogis.
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  SPEAKER_01: Practicing together and synergizing your practice.
• 2:25:27
  SPEAKER_00: As the sponsor of a yogi.
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  SPEAKER_00: For those of you who are in need something to synergize with your practice
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_00: to help it, to keep it going, to make it stronger.
• 2:25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Para algunos de ustedes que necesitan algo para sinergizar más vuestra práctica,
• 2:25:57
  SPEAKER_00: para fortalecerla, para seguir adelante, todavía tengo algunos
• 2:26:01
  SPEAKER_01: yogis disponibles.
• 2:26:04
  SPEAKER_01: No tengo las fotos de todos conmigo,
• 2:26:05
  SPEAKER_00: pero sí tengo algunas conmigo.
• 2:26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Si ustedes quisieran,
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_01: After we do this, you can fill out your name and address.
• 2:26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ustedes pueden escribir su nombre y dirección.
• 2:26:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then write where it speaks a person to assign.
• 2:26:39
  SPEAKER_01: On the forum that you put your address where it talks about who you have chosen.
• 2:26:45
  SPEAKER_00: You can escribir el nombre de la persona que elegirán.
• 2:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Jan will show you.
• 2:26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Jan les mostrará.
• 2:26:58
  SPEAKER_00: The pictures I have.
• 2:26:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if none of those pictures quite touches your heart.
• 2:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: And feels like the person you wish to share practice with.
• 2:27:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can also when I return to the Bay Area and have more photos there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Share those with you.
• 2:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Only on the form in that case write a little something about what you are hoping for
• 2:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: as a practitioner to share with.
• 2:27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Solo en el formulario entonces escriban un poquito de lo que ustedes como
• 2:27:52
  SPEAKER_00: practicantes les gustaría compartir.
• 2:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: ¿Saben qué?
• 2:27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Les saldría lo mismo que pagar una comida acá en el pueblo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Para una persona.
• 2:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: 20 euros.
• 2:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Eso es lo que cuesta...
• 2:28:18
  SPEAKER_00: Food is cheap in India.
• 2:28:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it is quite affordable.
• 2:28:20
  SPEAKER_01: As Milarepa said, the yogi in
• 2:28:22
  SPEAKER_00: the cave, and the farmer who brings up his food, they
• 2:28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Ellos logran la realización juntos porque hicieron
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_00: la práctica juntos.
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Entonces esto es bueno para la gente que están trabados en la mitad
• 2:28:55
  SPEAKER_00: de la vida de
• 2:28:56
  SPEAKER_00: ellos donde realmente tienen más dinero que tiempo.
• 2:29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because you got your kids and your parents are aging and then there's the job and the house.
• 2:29:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to fix the car.
• 2:29:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's nice to have someone.
• 2:29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Helping.
• 2:29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Who is in a position to practice all the time.
• 2:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Also when you have a relationship with the yogis.
• 2:29:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you get a problem.
• 2:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: You can always ask them to pray.
• 2:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are really good at it.
• 2:30:05
  SPEAKER_00: As in they tend to get results.
• 2:30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Not guaranteed you're going to eat your own karma,
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_00: but this is
• 2:30:18
  SPEAKER_01: a way of creating good karma
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_00: for yourself and for all beings.
• 2:30:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that said, let us do the long life prayer
• 2:30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Habiendo dicho eso, pasemos a hacer ahora la oración de la vida para
• 2:30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Lama Wanda.
• 2:30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Is there an umsi who wishes to read it, who wishes to lead it?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll try, but it won't be tuneful.
• 2:31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Ok, voy a tratar, pero bueno, voy a estar muy afinada.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ok, voy a tratar, pero bueno, voy a estar muy afinada.
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  [music]
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  SPEAKER_00: .
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  [music]
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  SPEAKER_01: .
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  SPEAKER_01: .
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  [music]
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  [music]
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  SPEAKER_00: Nam Taremni Nam Chodeng Dantin
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  SPEAKER_00: Sangvaitong Trutsana Pemagun
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  SPEAKER_01: Nidodranjodampasyaptenso
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  [music]
• 2:33:05
  SPEAKER_01: che dul sar cerpa nam,
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  SPEAKER_01: Nam yanme tur dak pa shuk ne sum,
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  SPEAKER_01: Son chi cho ge dak ton ge du sol,
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  SPEAKER_00: Cho sum sa sum la ye shin la dam,
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  SPEAKER_00: You are quite free
• 2:33:36
  SPEAKER_00: to recite this
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ustedes están totalmente autorizados a recitar esta oración
• 2:34:07
  SPEAKER_01: para Rinpoche.
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Cuando sea que quieran.
• 2:34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Es uno de los últimos maestros entrenados en el Tibet libre.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the old style.
• 2:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: The way it was.
• 2:34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Before being mixed with the Indian, Chinese or Western culture.
• 2:34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Something I appreciate deeply.
• 2:34:48
  SPEAKER_00: Where he trained me in that style.
• 2:35:01
  SPEAKER_01: In the old ways.
• 2:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Can I say something about Lama Wander and the people we can sponsor?
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Besides encouraging people about establishing that kind of relationship,
• 2:35:49
  SPEAKER_00: with Tibetans that obviously has an effect beyond what apparently it seems to be.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_00: I encourage everybody who is present here
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_00: To support Mahasandhi with the work it's doing in this sense.
• 2:36:18
  SPEAKER_00: As many of you are aware of, but perhaps Lama is not familiar with what we do.
• 2:36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Our commitment with Lama Lama Lama Wander is to help him in this sense as much as we are able.
• 2:36:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's something that we have discussed with him in person.
• 2:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: And the foundation is in charge of 25 of those persons.
• 2:37:05
  SPEAKER_00: To us is a big honor and at the same time a big effort to be able
• 2:37:10
  SPEAKER_00: to carry out this thing, I don't know how you call it, this is sponsoring.
• 2:37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So once a year we organize a large event in which
• 2:37:29
  SPEAKER_00: we organize a dinner, it's a fundraising.
• 2:37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So far, about 300 people get together every year.
• 2:37:45
  SPEAKER_00: Among all of us, we fundraise to get money together to send to India.
• 2:37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, I did not know the details of this.
• 2:37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I knew that people here were sponsoring some, but this detail was not
• 2:38:00
  SPEAKER_00: something they knew.
• 2:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: You arranged this with Rinpoche, some of it without me translating.
• 2:38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he forgot
• 2:38:10
  SPEAKER_01: to say anything, of course.
• 2:38:12
  SPEAKER_00: On two occasions that by chance Lama Lena was not in India,
• 2:38:15
  SPEAKER_00: but we went to pay a visit to Rinpoche.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sí, yo los conocí a estos muchachos cuando fueron a visitar
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  SPEAKER_01: a Rinpoche en India dos veces, pero muchas veces cuando ellos van yo no estoy ahí.
• 2:39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Excellent.
• 2:39:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:39:23
  SPEAKER_00: My petition is that somehow individually,
• 2:39:26
  SPEAKER_00: encourage them individually,
• 2:39:27
  SPEAKER_00: they do what they're doing, but also to participate in this dinner.
• 2:39:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, because this is planting seeds in their own karma to collaborate with us
• 2:39:37
  SPEAKER_00: so we can do it together.
• 2:39:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, even a person that,
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_00: has no connection with the path or with the Lama or with the teachings,
• 2:39:59
  SPEAKER_00: but perhaps is a distant relative of yours that comes to the dinner
• 2:40:03
  SPEAKER_00: and that's planting a seed in their karma.
• 2:40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:40:20
  SPEAKER_00: So basically this is the message that we're available,
• 2:40:23
  SPEAKER_00: that you can contact us if you want to collaborate with us and
• 2:40:27
  SPEAKER_00: that we are very grateful to you for any support that you may give us.
• 2:40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let me definitely encourage you to do that.
• 2:40:35
  SPEAKER_00: To individually commit can be financially hard for many people.
• 2:40:49
  SPEAKER_00: Quizás en términos económicos va a ser difícil para muchas personas hacerlo.
• 2:40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Pero si ustedes se reúnen en un grupo como este y
• 2:40:57
  SPEAKER_00: colaboran con lo que puedan no es
• 2:40:58
  SPEAKER_00: que de ese modo
• 2:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: se van a beneficiar menos.
• 2:41:00
  SPEAKER_01: No funciona así.
• 2:41:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like a pie that you take out a piece and now you have less pie.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are not as separate
• 2:41:22
  SPEAKER_00: as we think we are.
• 2:41:23
  SPEAKER_00: And could you
• 2:41:45
  SPEAKER_01: Me puedes mandar por favor un correo electrónico de la gente con la que tú estás
• 2:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: colaborando,
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  SPEAKER_00: así no el sponsor, digamos, porque Repoche tiene que estar consciente de esto.
• 2:42:11
  SPEAKER_00: This happens sometimes because I try to keep track.
• 2:42:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's like herding cats trying to keep track of Tibetans.
• 2:42:15
  SPEAKER_00: They are very independent people.
• 2:42:39
  SPEAKER_01: One time I tried to take six of them to a doctor,
• 2:42:42
  SPEAKER_01: to doctor's appointments in the city,
• 2:42:44
  SPEAKER_01: on the same day together,
• 2:42:46
  SPEAKER_00: herding cats.
• 2:42:47
  SPEAKER_00: And they all really were sick and needed to see the doctor
• 2:42:52
  SPEAKER_01: and wanted
• 2:42:53
  SPEAKER_00: to.
• 2:42:53
  SPEAKER_00: But
• 2:43:04
  SPEAKER_01: That one went off to buy vegetables,
• 2:43:06
  SPEAKER_01: this one went to get them,
• 2:43:07
  SPEAKER_01: but now this one was missing,
• 2:43:10
  SPEAKER_01: that one came back,
• 2:43:11
  SPEAKER_01: this one had been distracted by seeing something else,
• 2:43:14
  SPEAKER_01: someone selling this kind of yogurt, and then...
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Westerners often keep records.
• 2:43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Los occidentales normalmente tenemos records,
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Los tibetanos no están habitados a escribir las cosas.
• 2:43:36
  SPEAKER_01: No es la costumbre de ellas.
• 2:43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces, si me pones nombres, entonces yo puedo reorganizar las cosas.
• 2:43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Quiero hacer un comentario sobre un detalle
• 2:44:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was less than a month ago with a nun that I sponsor in Sopema.
• 2:44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And of course they do need our support because they're always praying in
• 2:44:23
  SPEAKER_00: the little places where they live in the caves.
• 2:44:32
  SPEAKER_00: And our support is vital to them.
• 2:44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Which nun are you friends with?
• 2:44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 2:44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:44:39
  SPEAKER_00: The day before Pema's brother had
• 2:44:47
  SPEAKER_01: died.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 2:45:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're very strong practitioners, those guys.
• 2:45:05
  SPEAKER_01: You have good ones.
• 2:45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Very fine people.
• 2:45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Very humble.
• 2:45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:45:08
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot to say that dinner will happen on June 1st.
• 2:45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 2:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Put into that pot what you can.
• 2:45:40
  SPEAKER_01: It will definitely help your practice to do so.
• 2:45:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you want someone individually, catch Jan at the back.
• 2:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you want someone individually, catch Jan at the back.
• 2:45:59
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't feel that you want that, then come to the dinner or do both, your choice.
• 2:46:05
  SPEAKER_00: You are all intelligent adults.
• 2:46:06
  SPEAKER_00: You're both intelligent adults.
• 2:46:08
  SPEAKER_00: Who are able to choose how you wish to practice.
• 2:46:34
  SPEAKER_00: It will pay the food, but not the books.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_00: Or the tuition.
• 2:47:04
  SPEAKER_01: O alquilar un cuarto con los precios que tienen las grandes ciudades,
• 2:47:08
  SPEAKER_00: los alquileres.
• 2:47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces cuando las circunstancias piden,
• 2:47:10
  SPEAKER_00: exigen que tengan dos sponsors, entonces tratamos de conseguirlos.
• 2:47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Who have an illness that they need to take medication for.
• 2:47:34
  SPEAKER_01: Diabetes is very common among Tibetans.
• 2:47:36
  SPEAKER_00: Genetically, as is blood pressure issues.
• 2:47:38
  SPEAKER_00: And other things like that.
• 2:47:39
  SPEAKER_00: Autoimmune stuff is not uncommon
• 2:47:42
  SPEAKER_01: in India.
• 2:48:01
  SPEAKER_01: The ones who need less who are usually good with one are young monks in good health.
• 2:48:08
  SPEAKER_00: They have the monastery.
• 2:48:09
  SPEAKER_00: The monks at Ziger Monastery.
• 2:48:10
  SPEAKER_00: When sponsorship is sent, half the money goes into the food pot.
• 2:48:37
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody eats regardless of if they have a sponsor
• 2:48:41
  SPEAKER_00: or not.
• 2:48:44
  SPEAKER_00: And half the money goes to the individual
• 2:48:50
  SPEAKER_01: which they will tend to use
• 2:48:52
  SPEAKER_01: to attend teachings or buy a text or, you know, the monastery gives ropes.
• 2:48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Por ejemplo,
• 2:49:00
  SPEAKER_00: que se tiende a usar ese dinero para ir
• 2:49:02
  SPEAKER_00: a las enseñanzas o comprar los textos y también los monasterios necesitan las togas.
• 2:49:08
  SPEAKER_01: Pero si hay enseñanzas en un lugar que no es adentro de ese monasterio,
• 2:49:13
  SPEAKER_00: pues necesitas pagar el bus para llegar allá.
• 2:49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Y tienes que hacer una ofrenda
• 2:49:17
  SPEAKER_01: o te sientes que quieres hacer una
• 2:49:19
  SPEAKER_00: ofrenda.
• 2:49:27
  SPEAKER_00: O tienen que dar una ofrenda, usted siente que debe dar una ofrenda.
• 2:49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Y la comida normalmente no está incluida, ellos tienen que probársela.
• 2:49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Y normalmente tienen que ir a un restaurante,
• 2:49:39
  SPEAKER_01: porque si van a recibir enseñanzas, normalmente en esos lugares
• 2:49:43
  SPEAKER_00: no hay una cocina.
• 2:49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Entonces eso es lo que hacen con la porción que se les dedica a ellos.
• 2:49:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's different than
• 2:49:59
  SPEAKER_00: the independent yogis.
• 2:50:03
  SPEAKER_01: And there is no nunnery to feed the nuns, they're all independent.
• 2:50:06
  SPEAKER_00: Jan, can I give you this?
• 2:50:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm done, I'm going to invite you up.
• 2:50:21
  SPEAKER_00: And offer you blessing cords as well as bonkies.
• 2:50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Besides this, I am offering you a blessing cord.
• 2:50:44
  SPEAKER_00: Además de tocarles la cabeza con la vasija sagrada, también les voy a dar un amuleto.
• 2:50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Pero no desanuden el nudo que tiene el collar.
• 2:52:17
  SPEAKER_01: These blessing
• 2:52:23
  SPEAKER_01: cords were blessed by Wang Du Rinpoche.
• 2:52:28
  SPEAKER_00: So they are actually from him to you.
• 2:52:57
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 2:53:37
  Thank you.
• 2:54:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.