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The Power of Oxygen: A Different Approach to Healing and Recovery with Brad Pitzele |345 · Bomb Life

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everyone, welcome to the Bob Life podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today we have Brad Pizzley on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, thank you so much, Melissa.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have excited that you're here because we're talking like oxygen and for read your journey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of this and that you cover and your story is exactly what this show is about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to share.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're the founder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're recovery engineer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're a survivor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your story is pretty, pretty amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what kind of like led you to do what you're doing today, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and I have to say, I love that because everyone who has like, that is a coach or has created something or product really cool, you know that they're going to have a good story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how they got to where they're at today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: necessities the mother of invention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, all of like the best coaches that I know it's because they've done the work and they have come from the pits of how and they have learned how to get out of it and then they're at where they're at today and that same with my story, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these influencers and these cheap products and companies that are out there being made, I'm like, yeah, what's your story?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your relationship with what you do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's why you do something that's more important than what you do in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, before we get into like oxygen, mitochondria, like all the science stuff, like take me back to where, you know, your health really started to fall apart for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was happening?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I had like weird things happening to me throughout even childhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had like, I developed psoriasis, but it was mild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would have these other weird symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they would like come and go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We go the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd give it a label.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had no treatment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was gone two months later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like, you know, it was like, okay, that was weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to say about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but somewhere in my middle 30s,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It went from psoriasis to psoriotic arthritis, which is like an autoimmune arthritis like rheumatoid arthritis, and it started in my hands and I went to rheumatologist and they diagnosed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of surprised because my psoriasis was always really mild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a little bit of patch up in my scalp sort of thing and maybe if I got a cut,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when I'd heard about our freshmen like that probably won't be me because I'd barely have our stri... or striuses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did, and I went to the rheumatologist and he put me out all the kind of traditional drugs and I did them for several years and eventually I developed Melanoma, which is a side-effect of some of the drugs I was taking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I was a young father, I had young children rather at the time, and so I was kind of afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a single breadwinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have three kids, and so after I was treated for the melanoma, I went back to my rheumatologist and said, what do I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I don't take the drugs, I die in crippling pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I take a my risk in cancer, and he's like, well, we'll just try different drug in
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lippin' about it, I guess I'd say, like maybe he was trying to inspire confidence in me, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I walked out of that appointment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just heard alarm bells blaring in my head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had this flash forward to me being on my deathbed of cancer and being like, you shouldn't listen to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And...
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just sat in my truck after the appointment and the parking lot for like 10 minutes turn the music off It's just like what the heck do I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to go home right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know it's a tell the family I get home and I just said well, I can't do either one of these so I need to find a third way and I didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what that meant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew the words sounded like I didn't know what that was called.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I started doing research and finding groups of people with chronic health conditions that sounded like mine in doing a lot of self-experimentation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually I got to an integrative health doctor and he was doing more experimentation, new pharmaceuticals, new tests, new treatments, new supplements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I tried like to be honest, well, so I tried like 200 different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked down the list recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I quickly made a list of things I can remember, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least 200 on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing was working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was kind of almost giving up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say at one point after one of the appointments, he just kind of's like, well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'd try oxygen Brad sort of thing and I remember going home and thinking how ridiculous I've tried diets I've tried supplements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried all these adding all these things to my body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're telling the oxygen I've been breathing the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been getting sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This just seems absolutely insane
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and really there were two paths.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One was hyperbaric oxygen and one was something I'd never heard of exercise with oxygen therapy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and the hyperbaric was not the soft shell you see the, you know, the sports players doing was like hard shell and a doctor's office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was going to cost around 50 $1,000 to complete the treatment protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was wrecking the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, and I was like, man, I've tried so many things that haven't worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This probably won't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine spending $50,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, well, you can go out to Florida and I can get it for you for like 35 or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, so I fly out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to spend seven weeks out there, rent a place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on a special restrictive diet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to buy all this food in a place I can prepare my own food.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, I can't keep a job doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't make any sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of threw that out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the other thing he recommended, some I'd never heard of exercise with oxygen therapy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of threw it out pretty quickly to the folks selling it at the time, all their websites were filled with like hyperbole and they wanted $5,000 to $25,000 for a system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it just felt like a really expensive experiment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of just walked away from my desk and said, I'm not doing either of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This sounds like nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't going to help me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I asked myself what I was going to do next, because I tried all the things I thought of, and I was like, I don't have anything else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, would you do exercise with oxygen therapy if it was affordable?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can do it in your home, and the protocol is like 15 minutes session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, I guess I would give it a try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just decide I'm like, well, why don't you figure out how to make your own, that's my joke about being a recovering engineer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent like 10 years in my getting in my career as a mechanical engineer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just kind of made my own, eventually it started helping me about a year later I went back to my doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was shocked at how much better I got, Melissa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, wow, you look way better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who'd you get the oxygen from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell the rest of my patients about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, sorry doc, I'm not going to tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just made my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went this up in my basement and he kind of looked at me like there was a horn growing out of my head at first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he like caught his composure and he was like, well, would you consider making it for my patients?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still on my healing journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably I got enough going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a job and a family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me think about it and then maybe finally around about six months later I decided, sure, why don't I why don't we try to make a go of this and help other folks who've been down rough road and Make this like more affordable and more accessible for people because they're like how do we like bring honesty to it like help people understand the science versus all the the weird Hyperbole out there and so forth and so it kind of started as more of a mission at helping people
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then really a business and I ran it that way for many years until I grew to a size that it kind of yanked me away from my day job if you will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're, when did Lyme's disease come into play for you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what started?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the discovery you had that and that's what started the art.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I skipped that step.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So forgive me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So somewhere in the midst of seeing the integrated doctor, he said, hey, you're not responding to anything this often had that when this happens, I often think a Lyme disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get you tested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the test was like a specialized test and it was like 500 bucks out of
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember thinking myself, this is totally not Lyme disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never had that bull's eye rash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't around ticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to put 500 bucks up just so the doctor knows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he can get off it and we can get to the real thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it came back and it was positive for Lyme disease and the co-infection called Bartonella.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I didn't still believe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went back to him like, I'm like doc, what's the chances of a false positive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, let me explain what this is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a urine PCR that means you have the DNA of those bacteria in your urine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, so I finally accepted that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was, yeah, that was the cause of my autoimmune conditions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And did you do you think you got this as a kid?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the thing they don't tell you about Lyme disease, we all think it's this tick born illness, which it is, but it's a, it's a blood born illness too, and you get it a variety of different ways, and the particular cone infection that has called Bartonella, Bartonella is known also is cat scratch disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've ever heard of that, like the, there's a song cat scratch fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's called that for two reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is it creates these striations on your skin that look like cat scratches, but you can also get it from like feral cats and actually any feral animal, particularly mammals, and even homeless people have it in a high rate, like 25% I believe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: crazy high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I was in kindergarten, we took in a feral cat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that thing scratched the heck out of all of us, you know, it was a feral cat for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was kindergarten and by second grade I had developed psoriasis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my thesis is that's where I developed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing about Lyme disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's much more prevalent than people recognize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also many of us are carriers and we never feel the symptoms of it, it takes it takes us like a life insult that causes your immune system to go down, whether that's an illness and accident, a stress in life and then all of a sudden it can kind of rear its ugly head, but once it takes control, it's really hard to put back in the box and so that's what I suspect happened to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, um, when I was about in my mid 30s, I was renovating a short sale house out in California.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I was working my tail off after work, doing a lot of physical labor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was about when I started to develop the arthritic symptoms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At first, I thought it was just like fatigue and my hands, you know, banging a hammer or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, likely that was the stress event that kind of, yeah, you were like doing above and beyond and more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This this story is all of this is so interesting because there are people listening and they.
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[SPEAKER_01]: have shit going on, that's not explained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you always would ever think of like getting scratched by a cat in kindergarten that literally impacted your journey and your road, leading to cancer, leading to this opportunity and what you've developed in this business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just, I love conversations like this because it can just make my Bob start going off for people and they're like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I should look into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never even considered that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Lyme disease is more prevalent than we realize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not everyone's always like Lyme Ben in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't gotten that by a tech like why would I even think that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the crazy thing, when I was diagnosed, the CDC, this is like a decade ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The CDC said there was like 30,000 cases a year, and then they came out and said, we were off a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 300,000 cases a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they came back against it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're still a little off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's more like a half million a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's what they think now the testing is really bad if you go to your typical doctor they're going to give you a western block and if you have Lyme disease that test will say you don't have it 50% of the time and it's a coin flip so there's a lot of folks who've gone out they can't figure out their stuff they go to a doctor and the doctor says hey let's do the western block
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they come back negative and they actually have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it actually makes life worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a lot of misinformation in the medical world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's actually some medical gas lighting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was talking to a doctor for my daughter who also has it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned that she had Lyme disease and that's why she had arthritis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she looked at me like I was talking about big foot and like I had a stop or so, can we just baseline here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I asked her a question and I said, let me ask you a question because I just want to make sure in the same universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does Lyme disease exist?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, and by that, I mean, the bacteria, Boralia burgdorfie does it impact in in fact humans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she'll say, well, yeah, but it's not that common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, I said, I keep hearing about tuberculosis on the news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's only a few cases around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, are you aware the CDC says there's a half million a year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, do the math on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we live 80 years, that's like 40 million people over that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that 80 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's like 325 million people in America, that's like 1 in 8.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, so do you really think it's rare?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, she didn't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got your challenginger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was all stats, but like so that's also the difficulty is people go into doctors who are not well informed on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're they intentionally mean what poorly, but they can dissuade people from sort of like real testing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're worried, I'd just say like I use the company called DNA connections and it's CLNX,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, out there so you just can't go and get like a standard blood test unfortunately it's an out of the pocket test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't mean to like take you back a little bit, but I'm like, I know this is part of the story, and then I didn't hear it like, where did this come from in your 30s, you know, all of the sudden, yeah, and that was it, it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My, my other question for you was about the melanoma was this something that they were just continuously looking for knowing that it could be a side effect of the drugs work not at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you catch that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the, I'm going to tell you two crazy things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way Lyme disease was discovered, okay, was a bunch of children in old Lyme Connecticut in the 1970s started to develop arthritis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they said, why are kids getting arthritis in this Lyme Connecticut town?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it gets its name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know very much so that Lyme disease is connected with arthritis, back to its roots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you go to take these medications for autoimmune conditions, they suppress your immune system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they tell you, you cannot take them with an active infection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the only one they test for is tuberculosis because that could be lethal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of them they just don't even test for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't even test for Lyme disease, even though they know Lyme can cause it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they tell you not to take them with an infection because you shouldn't suppress your immune system when you have an active infection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the particular type of drugs I took were called, they affect the part of your immune system called tumor necros factor, which means it kills tumors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and so that's why it can increase the risk of melanoma but they weren't checking it it's just one day I looked in the mirror and on my back I noticed a weird mole that kind of looked like a head of little psoriasis on it and just sent myself huh that's kind of weird look and maybe I should have the dermatologist check it out but you know like no other reason than that if I hadn't caught it you know like right be here sort of thing so yeah right it's kind of crazy in that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, but this is stuff that we need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so take me into like the oxygen part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm really curious as to why that was your doctor's like, well, maybe we should try oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell does oxygen have to do with any of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like you said, we're breathing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had the thing on my finger before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My pulse oxygen's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about, Brad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's great um so you know physiologically speaking the the best indicator of longevity and health that we know is VO2 max.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you know this in the fitness space right VO2 max tells you all cause like likelihood to die from all cause mortality right
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and here's what happens, starting in your 20s, it starts declining every year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's a variety of reasons they believe it declines, but most likely, they used to think it was primarily cardiac output.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much blood your heart could pump?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's still some studies that show that some of the best studies show, it's not actually how much your heart puts out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, um, how much oxygen your body can extract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and give to the cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's pretty interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the deal is like every year past the age of 25, your body loses about 1% of its ability to utilize oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, oxygen's important because a cell has two ways of producing energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is what's called a rubric respiration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes glucose and oxygen together and it can make
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, ATP, the basically the fuel currency that your entire body runs on every time you have a thought, you move a muscle, your heart beats, anything that goes on requires ATP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's produced with a combination of glucose and oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When a cell runs out of oxygen, it does something called glycolysis, and glycolysis, it can produce energy, but only like 5% of the energy, 5% of the amount of energy it can produce when it has oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cell goes into a low energy state and that means it can do less things and it's not just lower energy It produces a bunch of metabolic waste.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've ever worked out hard and you had stiff muscles the next day That was because you outran your oxygen supply and so your body turned on glycolysis and glycolysis produces a massive amount of metabolic waste including And so don't replace it
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'd oxygen is incredibly important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: VO2 Max literally stands for the maximum volume of oxygen your body can consume.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oxygen is life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just there is no complex cellular life on this planet without oxygen because
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's an energy multiplier and that's why if you think about it and your 30s you might notice you're not quite as energetic not quite as fast and then you get to your 40s and your 50s and so forth as we get older you know we have less energy we have less clear thoughts we heal and recover slower all this has to do with this energy deficit
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you can restore oxygenation to yourselves, you can restore yourselves to a more well-called more youthful state where they're able to do more of the things they're supposed to do and take out all the toxic trash that builds up and then from a low energy state so that helps them function better, produce less free radicals and reactive oxygen species
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so that's really it in a nutshell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the reason why it works and I think you brought up a really interesting point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you put one of these little Paul Sox eminors on your finger, it's going to read that you have 98 or 99% saturation of oxygen.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So what that means is
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[SPEAKER_00]: your all your red blood cells, which are what we use to carry oxygen, are filled with oxygen.
21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no more capacity to carry oxygen on your red blood cells.
21:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first thought is well, then how does this work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting, physiologically, we force oxygen into your blood plasma.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And now blood plasma is like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearish yellow liquid that the red and white blood cells write on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what carries all of your nutrients and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's important for like two primary reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One is it increases the full oxygen capacity of your blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You now can carry more blood than you typically do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In two, if you consider plasma, it operates on the size scale of a molecule and red blood cells operate on the size scale of a cell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like a 10,000 times difference between those two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plasma is much smaller, so it's able to get through choke points in your circulatory system that develop with age due to inflammation that causes red blood cells to not reach the cells
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's kind of like a bypass that can reoxygenate those cells, and then the next thing it does is it causes an anti-inflammatory reaction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is fascinating, research is pretty clear anywhere in your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have inflammation, you have low oxygen, the technical term is hypoxia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, hypoxia and inflammation go hand in hand, you can trigger one with the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have inflammation, there will be low oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you remove oxygen, you will cause inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when we reoxygenate the through those, what I'll call choked off,
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[SPEAKER_00]: portions of the circulatory system are micro circulation, we can cause an anti-inflammatory reaction, which reopens our micro circulation and allows for more oxygen to pass through even when we're not doing the exercise of the oxygen therapy.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So in essence, it restores your body's more youthful blood flow in oxygen delivery, which allows your whole cellular apparatus to increase its energy production.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So how are we forcing it in there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are we getting this in there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you discover and come up with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hyperbaric oxygen and exercise of oxygen therapy used the same mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something called Henry's law and has nothing to do with human physiology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a chemistry, sort of physics thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And normally oxygen is not soluble in the plasma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we only have like 2% of our oxygen in our plasma as we sit here right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but when you increase what's called the partial pressure of oxygen mean there's more oxygen in in and around that plasma it forces it to go into solution into the plasma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that's how both hyperbaric works and exercise with oxygen therapy works it's the same mechanism.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're getting this in and through a different way with exercising with oxygen.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But like I like to compare it to Hyperbaric, so in Hyperbaric what happens is you sit in the chamber, they pressurize it, you're breathing near pure oxygen, that pressure, the only thing it really does is force more gas through your long membrane into your blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not doing anything inside your circulatory system, because obviously if you were in a chamber that had 130% more pressure and you have it sea level, your blood pressure doesn't cope 130% thank God.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, but it goes up a little bit because you might maybe 10% or 15% more because you push more gas into that same volume of your circulatory system.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
25:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but then what happens is your, your body and all of its wisdom, it kind of recognizes there's an abundance of oxygen.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: and in trying to maintain homeostasis, it'll do something called vasoconstrict.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll tighten your blood vessels and shrink them to allow less oxygen through.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like fighting the hyperbaric oxygen burst, if you will.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But net net, you still deliver more oxygen.
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of take advantage of all the physiological differences that happen in your body and exercise.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you exercise,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every adaptation that happens is effectively to drive more oxygen to the tissues, because that's the gating factor that determines energy region.
26:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So you start exercising your body says, oh gosh, we don't have enough energy stores to keep up with this activity.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So you start breathing faster and deeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your lung membrane actually thins out to allow more gases to permeate through them.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Your heart starts beating faster and deeper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your blood vessels dilate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And your systolic blood pressure goes up, which forces more oxygen out of your circulatory system in deeper into the tissues.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we take up by breathing near pure oxygen while we're doing that.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We're basically hijacking all of those physiological adaptations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in a 15 minute session, we can drive as much oxygen into your system as you get in like 90 minutes in a hyperbaric chamber.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so crap.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's, it's, it's interesting because they're both so synergistic.
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So exercise requires oxygen and when you give it more oxygen, it does to, uh, interesting things for exercise.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing is your perceived level of exertion goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like for me, the first time I did it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was using my elliptical letter resistance of 12 and immediately I put it up to 13 and that still was nothing and I put it up to 14 and then I felt like I was getting work out and the next workout I put it up to 15 and a few weeks later I was up at 17 out of 20 level of resistance which I still do today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like I'm doing any more than I did down at 12.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it raises your ability to do it and then second because it raises your ability to do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: and makes it easier you can do more exercise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's actually decent body of research on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It increases the work that you can put out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reduces your recovery time because of the lactic acid connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It helps increase actually VO2 max.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen, you know, we've studied in the six and eight and even 10% range, which is massive when you consider how that's correlated with longevity.
28:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, really interesting how they synergize each other.
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if you're doing all of us, I can't even imagine like what else is happening, especially with like anti aging and like what else are you doing to your body while you're working on this, what else is going on inside.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, so when I was sick, I would did a ton of research and there was back then there wasn't a lot of talk about mitochondrial health and now you can't walk a foot without hearing someone talk about him.
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: mitochondrial health, and it's super important, but I think it misses a lot of the equation, actually a lot of the damage that happens to our bodies in early aging is more upstream of that.
28:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I call, it's what's known as the microvascularity or microcirculation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our capillaries are thinner than a human hair and they're thinner than actually than the red blood vessel or the red blood cell that needs to deliver oxygen.
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for a red blood cell to deliver oxygen to your cells it actually has to deform and like fold up like a taco to fit inside a capillary that's how tight the tolerances are.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And as we age, we develop more and more inflammation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We now call it inflammation, like we're also supposed to get more inflamed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that inflammation actually affects these endop-, the lining of the capillaries known as endothelial cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And cause them to swell, and it stops red blood cells from being able to deliver oxygen downstream.
29:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is part of what causes that reduction in oxygen utilization with age.
29:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, um, if you can restore more youthful blood flow, I mean, at the end of the day, oxygen utilization is youth, you know, so if you are still operating at a very high VO2 Max, you still have much more youthful capabilities, but it's not just about muscles, it's about brain health,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about skin health, maintaining the micro vasculature to deliver nutrients and oxygen to the tissues so that they can remain young.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I like to think about this is like, think about your skin cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my skin cells are not four and five decades old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were, you know, that you replace them every, maybe it's two or three years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes even on the matter of weeks and months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have that many old cells in your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They behave oldly because of a couple things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, there is some accumulation of DNA damage that can happen over time, but also because of the environment they're operating in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're not getting nutrients and they're not getting oxygen at the rates they need, then they start to behave differently.
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are things that we do every day that's like damaging and or having like a negative impact on her might of Andrea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so, so here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If your micro circulation is damaged, there's actually a lot of research on this really interesting.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: If your micro circulation is damaged, that's actually the first thing that gets damaged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they show that 10 minutes of inactivity,
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[SPEAKER_00]: one high glucose meal, and your microocerculation is not functioning properly.
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: A poor night of sleep, not even like maybe only four hours of sleep for someone in their 20s, and their micro, their vascular, you know, in their brain, their microvascular church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is not behaving appropriately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very fragile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the things we do, like, you know, 10 minutes of rest can cause it to dysfunction, but then you get up and walk and it can repair itself.
31:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a lot of redundancy and youth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but when that starts getting damaged and less oxygen is being delivered to our cells, the first thing that happens is our body is very intelligent, it recognizes, I don't get enough oxygen to use all these mitochondria.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing it does is it calls mitochondria.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It starts killing off and preferentially generally kills off the weak ones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so actually the per unit of mitochondrial health actually goes up because we're
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[SPEAKER_00]: calling some of the underperformers, but over time, it can lead to mitochondrial dysfunction.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You generally, in healthy people, the last study I saw is they looked at folks who were like 49 years old, and the level of mitochondrial dysfunction was only maybe 6% of their muscular cells had mitochond-significant mitochondrial dysfunction.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not until you get closer into your 60s that it becomes more, more driving factor.
32:56
[SPEAKER_00]: and early on it appears to be more driven by our micro circulation, so it's all of those lifestyle things that you would think about.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the food you eat, the level of activity you have, and so on and so forth, the sleep you keep, the stress you live under, so all of those things, they matter, which is great because they're modifiable, and the empowering thing about it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, when you do something positive for it, it can help rebound.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll snap back, but I think you bring up a really good point about, you know, just that one spike of the glucose, like sitting and being inactive, like one bad and night sleep.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone likes to just kind of brush that off, you know, and I'm like, oh, well, it doesn't matter.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's okay.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And people get mad at me, but I'm always like, that one day of missing your work out, it really does matter or if you're not walking, it does matter or that massive like binge and cheat me all that you didn't have you had like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really did impact you.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, therapist don't like me saying that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they're like, well, I want to make you feel and like, let's let that go and I'm like, okay, yeah, that's cool.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, you kind of got to know that physiologically inside and everything we're talking about, it did impact you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's right.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's obviously like a balance of like your spiritual wholeness and like enjoying life.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't beat yourself up because like man, I only got six hours of sleep last night.
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But at your point, you need to be cognizant about all these things because they affect your, they affect your microvascularature, which affects your cell's ability to make energy, which affects your health span.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, you know, I hear everyone talking in the long
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that we are and I don't know that I want to imagine myself at 120 with my great grandkids annoyed by me, you know, they're in their life trying to do their thing with their kids and like, oh god, great grandfather Brad over here is still.
35:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know anyone anymore.
35:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everyone went to high school with dad.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my kids are dead.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that doesn't, it's, to me, it's not, some people that's their thing that's cool.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's like, hey, how do you have an amazing, wonderful life, whether you're giving, you know, seven or nine decades on this, and like, make sure that you're having a quality of life as long as possible, right?
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: being able to operate near peak capacity and capability as long as boss of right right okay so I need to know like what did you come up with what did you design that started off with just being like hey doc like this is what I created he's like give me more and infrared light so this is all like the two big things that you do with your company um one thousand roads
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So we designed something an exercise with oxygen therapy system.
35:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what it looks like.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little device.
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably a foot by a foot and a half by two feet tall device that you plug into the wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it creates oxygen on demand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you flip a switch in it and rich is the oxygen from the 21% you're breathing in a room to up to 93% which is like the same as medical grade oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We produce two different models, one that produces five liters a minute and one that produces 10 liters a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The challenge is when you exercise, you can use 50 or 60 liters of oxygen a minute or even more.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So, these machines can't keep up with you, so what we do is we use them to fill a large reservoir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thousand liters, so it's about six feet wide by six feet tall roughly.
36:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a big pillow and we fill it with oxygen and then you hook up a mask to it.
36:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just do 15 minutes of exercise while you're breathing through the mask.
36:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just that, you know, in that vows and leaders is like equivalent to the amount of oxygen you would breathe in an entire day.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So in 15 minutes, you are gulping down a full day worth of oxygen into your system, and yeah.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's, and I mean, so for those out there that are fitness minded, it's going to help you push harder, it's going to help you recover faster.
37:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's day younger, like in general, like yeah, absolutely.
37:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're helping, we help so many people with chronic health conditions, everything from cancer to autoimmune conditions, long
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Oxygen is so important.
37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It's important in the recovery.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: There's actually really strong links between oxygen status and cancers that research goes back a hundred years.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost almost feels criminal that it's it's not more widely known even though the research is sitting out there.
38:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask you like why aren't we talking about this more like why?
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Otto, Otto Warberg won the Nobel Prize in the 1920s or 30s for his research and some of his research showed that he could turn a regular cell into a cancer cell by depriving it of oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is not new, and it's today's known as the Warberg hypothesis, and there's plenty of research out there that shows the survival rate of people with tumors is directly correlated
38:36
[SPEAKER_00]: If a tumor is resistant to treatment, it's often due to hypoxia low oxygen content because even the traditional therapies require oxygen content for radiation and chemotherapy to work their oxidative therapies.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's kind of crazy that it's not more well-known.
38:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you go look at alternate cancer centers, you'll find a lot of them are doing exercise
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So with this, you also do your big end to like infrared light and we are seeing this everywhere too.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can go on to Amazon right now and order one for 1299.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like.
39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: First tip tell is a little bit about like what's I want to know like and we've talked about infrared light I'm a huge Fan of it.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening physiological physiologically when we use this red light and then the second I want you to cover is what is the difference between my Amazon red light and something that you offer.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two big ones.
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to even take it one step back and tell you why it's so big now and because none of us heard of it in the 1980s and 90s and early 2000s so why we didn't really hear of it five years ago Yeah, even just over the last five years
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: you're exactly a little person didn't hear about it agreed and here's the reason so throughout most of human existence we've gotten all of our red and you're in for red light the way we got all of our light from the sun sun is full spectrum everywhere from UV down to up to infrared um of course and we spent it start spending more and more time indoors
40:20
[SPEAKER_00]: we invented the incodescent bulb.
40:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the incodescent bulb also produced red and infrared, but then we switched over to LED lights.
40:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Now LED lights intentionally do not have any red or near infrared light in them.
40:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because those are experienced by our body is heat.
40:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't want to waste energy on heat.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to heat the room with your light bulbs
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: these new LEDs are energy efficient.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So we cut out all that spectrum because it's not very good for visibility, it's more heat generation.
40:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now we're living in this world where we spend all this time underneath these LED lights and we're not getting any of the ratter infrared.
41:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And so light isn't just about visibility and warmth, it's actually a signal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these specific wavelengths,
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[SPEAKER_00]: were discovered by NASA, what they discovered was they were trying to grow some plants under red lights.
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And what some of the NASA scientists discovered was some of their cuts on their hands and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're healing more quickly.
41:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they surmise like, oh, this is interesting.
41:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this red light is doing something.
41:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And sure enough, it is red and ear infrared light.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They interact with our mitochondria.
41:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And they do basically one specific thing.
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They tell the mitochondria to use more oxygen.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So why that's important is because when the mitochondria use more oxygen, they produce more energy as we talked about earlier.
41:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And energy is the basis for everything.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it hits a skin cell and the skin cell has excess oxygen, it now can produce more collagen.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It now can produce more youthful cells.
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the skin and the beauty benefits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can help them have better energy and they're able to do their thing better.
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's on your bone, it can help the bone heal from breaks more quickly.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of these benefits you hear about it from hair growth, skin, brain health, bone healing, any of it, it's all the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just causing those cells to use more oxygen and by using more oxygen, they produce more energy.
42:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
42:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you the other side of that, even as someone I who sells it, I think it's oversold, because here's the challenge with it, is your cell needs to have the oxygen in the first place.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's being sold as like being able to do all these amazing things, which you can do,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But only if the cell is getting the oxygen it needs and as we talked about a lot of us have these damaged micro circulation which is precluding it from getting oxygen now what is the difference between like we use like a clinical grade red light we have them measured we understand what the output is now.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of folks out there that were doing speck wars and I'm not a big fan of speck wars for speck sake, but the opposite end of that spectrum is what's on Amazon's your point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It may show the color red but the way red light works, it works on something called a bifazic dose response, which basically means it's a bell shaped curve of the benefits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: too little you don't see any benefits too much it doesn't harm you just it it reverses the benefits so you get nothing it's a wasted time and so you need to have a certain level of power for a certain level of time the ones on Amazon that are really cheap usually the time duration you would need to get to benefit is just too long that it's not practical for anyone to get benefits off from so they're not they're not at a therapeutic grade if you will
43:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So ours, obviously, we use eight different wavelengths and why that's kind of important is that each wavelength can penetrate a different level inside your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the red lights are more superficial like your skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the infrared's are go deeper into our body like our brain and our organs and our fascia etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we use a combination of all those and we have four reds and four infrared, so we're basically getting the benefits across the tissue spectrum.
44:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and you, it, those of you that are watching because you can watch our episodes as well as just listen, but if you're watching right now, you have panels behind you, so is that what you like you can have them like setting up and they're just.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm you while you're working is that's the same as if like you're laying on a mat or something is actually touching your skin.
44:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so the ones that are touching your skin, they're much less powerful so they need to be touching because the further you get away the less powerful they are, these you can either have them the way they are in these stands or one of them like you can hover it over the bed and lay underneath it.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We like to have folks about six to 12 inches away that's like a sweet spot for like, wait, you're saying if you do lay on it, it has to be less.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because there's massive people lay on, uh, oftentimes they're tuned to be last like, depends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, like a burned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, it's just that by phasic dose response, if you if if you lay down something and it was as powerful as this, you could probably only be on it for like four or five minutes sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so people are probably not very good at like just doing four minutes, you know six minutes, you know, all of a sudden you're wasting time sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you try to tune these things so that it like it fits the way people are going to use them and you're going to get benefits.
45:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that's basically it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we do have like a protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to do use a red lights, we, we pair these together, I pair them together my healing journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you do is you do the exercise of the oxygen therapy first, flood your body with oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then immediately afterwards while still floating around in your body, you get underneath a red light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and instead of doing like 10 or 15 minutes, which is what we'd have you do if you just did it first thing in the morning, we have you do it like 7 to 10 minutes, which is because your mitochondria are already primed from that exercise with oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get under it, like if your face is under it, do you wear goggles on your eyes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to if you're just doing red.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reds are really good for eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely some question back and forth about infrared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of thought that it might not be healthy for our eyes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're going to use the infrared, I recommend using the goggles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just doing reds, you're fine to not use them.
46:47
[SPEAKER_01]: and can you flip that on and off on yours?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you can flip on every single wave length individually or tune them down, I want this at 20%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or you can just say turn off all the infrared and just do the reds.
47:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, interesting.
47:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this is an investment that everyone should be making in their health?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you could question, but for real, I know, but if you could, you know, here's the thing for me was like, if you can do something that A takes a little time and B, you can do it in your home, so you can do it consistently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do both of these in less than a half hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of me doing a 30 minute cardio session, like I used to, I do a 15 minute EWAT session.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I do about seven to 10 minutes underneath my red light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that same time,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting the benefits of exercise plus plus and so I think that's that's like a achievable for folks when you start giving them a protocol that takes, you know, 90 minutes of their day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would if someone doesn't have like a full treadmill at home and they just have like one of those walking paths or something is that considered exercise if I'm just doing like a leisurely walk on my walking pad and I could hook that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have chronically ill folks who start very slow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What they're going to find is that it increases your endurance much quicker than the exercise alone would.
48:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to be doing it for a while and also you're making, I'm not getting anything off this.
48:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to do a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to start to ratchet up over time, just naturally to kind of feel like you're at the same place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might want to get the bigger treadmill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Start, I was tough folks, start where you're at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See how you're at and then you know, go from there sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't know how intense it needed to be.
48:27
[SPEAKER_01]: How intense of exercise does it need to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't need to be.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: My ideal is 70 to 80% of your theoretical max heart rate.
48:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's a spot where that's a build.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some folks never get there, but like you can get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really getting your cardiovascular system going, but we're not going full out.
48:50
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's one thing that you stopped doing like once you really understood all of this in your body better is there like one like habit that you have let go of or you're like I am just not doing that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I worked a lot more on Noah's breathing than I ever thought I would.
49:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've also definitely more thoughtful about my diet.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a very restrictive diet for a while, but I've never gone back.
49:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really eat any grains.
49:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a big fan of them, so to speak.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it's like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whole grain.
49:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's whole grain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I never did, you know, it was like you'd eat that spaghetti meal and then you just felt gross for the rest of night and whatever so I was fine with that I'll cheat everyone so I'll go get some sushi or something but generally I don't and try to limit my blue light exposure particular at night time because of the facts are circadian rhythm.
49:48
[SPEAKER_00]: When I learned about kind of how the sun works and like blues are noon, noon colors and reds are evening and morning colors, etc.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, interesting.
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Brad, this was like so incredible and just like filled with knowledge that people like need to know.
50:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we need to know this stuff in order to build and improve our health.
50:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just not talking about.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's so sad that we have to have like these podcasts and that's kind of the only way a lot of people are getting their information and they're learning about things.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for coming on and sharing all this.
50:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can people find you?
50:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they ask you questions?
50:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they follow you?
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they look up 1000 roads?
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Give it to me.
50:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put it in the show notes, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But give it to us all.
50:30
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got our website, 1000roads.com, we'll also send you a link for a special offer for your listeners if they're interested.
50:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put it in.
50:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If they want to learn more, they can either go to our website, they can contact us, they reach out via phone or email.
50:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if they want to learn more, we also have a really good YouTube channel.
50:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We post weekly videos, they're educational, so you can learn more about the technology, the benefits, and how it's helping folks.
50:55
[SPEAKER_01]: because people when they're done they're going to go right to the show notes and want to look at everything up.
50:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is awesome.
51:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing your story and your journey because this is this is what helps others.
51:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how we learn and you overcame so much and again like we're saying at the beginning like that's how the best products coaches like everything is made from other people and they're healing journey.
51:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you so much Melissa.
51:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
51:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope we keep this conversation going.
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you come on again.
51:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and we keep this conversation going.
51:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk even more about all of this.
51:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have new things coming out, we'd love to have you back.
51:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds great.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be glad to come back anytime.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
51:39
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, everyone.
51:39
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51:41
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