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The Avoident & The Empath. Ep.2. Chasing Closeness, Chasing Distance · Inside The Consulting Room - Understanding the Child Behind the Behaviour

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is Kim Lee, Child, an adolescent psychotherapist.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the continuation or the second episode in the series where the empath meets the avoidant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I've called it chasing closeness, chasing distance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Last time we explored why the empath and the avoidant are often drawn together with such powerful intensity.
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  SPEAKER_00: But today I want to look at what happens next.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because after the honeymoon period fades, something else begins to emerge, and it's something of a kind of dance.
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  SPEAKER_00: One partner moves closer and then the other moves away.
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  SPEAKER_00: One seeks reassurance, then the other seeks space.
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  SPEAKER_00: One feels abandoned and the other feels trapped.
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  SPEAKER_00: Neither really understands why.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is where many relationships begin to fracture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because the love, if that's the right word to use, actually disappears, but because the attachment actually wounds and it causes pain that speaks louder than love.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with the empath.
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  SPEAKER_00: As emotional investment deepens, the empath wants more connection, more honesty, more vulnerability, more presence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this isn't manipulation, it's certainly not controlled.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's how they experience intimacy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because connection equals safety, as does closeness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Being emotionally known is safety.
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  SPEAKER_00: But for the avoidant, intimacy can create an entirely different experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's because the closer someone gets, the more exposed they feel, the more vulnerable they feel, the more dependent they fear becoming, even though objectively there is no risk of that at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they begin unconsciously restoring emotional distance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the distance is physical, sometimes emotional, sometimes both, and at worst, sometimes they just disappear.
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  SPEAKER_00: They become less available, harder to read.
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  SPEAKER_00: Conversations, if they occur, become increasingly superficial, and affection becomes inconsistent.
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  SPEAKER_00: What matters though is not the specific behavior, because these are signals, but what matters is the message that the empath receives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something's changed, and they're confused.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because the empath is highly attuned to emotional shifts, they feel it almost immediately.
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  SPEAKER_00: They ask questions, are you okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Have I done something wrong?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is everything alright between us?
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  SPEAKER_00: They're trying to restore connection, they're trying to understand and trying to repair.
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  SPEAKER_00: But often the avoidant doesn't fully understand what's happening themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: They simply know they feel something that they can't tolerate, something they've very probably felt many times before.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because this discomfort feels threatening, they retreat further.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now the empath becomes anxious and in pain, but not because they're weak, and not because they're needy, it's because they felt that human beings would behave in a way that actually welcomed connection.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the nervous system becomes activated, attention becomes focused, and the relationship becomes the primary source of concern.
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  SPEAKER_00: The empath begins searching for reassurance, and for many, they will try and keep their integrity intact in the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: The avoidant experiences those attempts as pressure, even though they're not.
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  SPEAKER_00: The more pressure they feel, the more distance they create.
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  SPEAKER_00: The more distance they create, the more anxious and often hurt the empath becomes.
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  SPEAKER_00: The cycle becomes self-feeding.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is the part that many people don't understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: The empath believes they're fighting for the relationship, whereas the avoidant believes they are protecting themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: So paradoxically, both are acting from fear, but neither realizes it.
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  SPEAKER_00: As the months pass, something else begins to happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: The empath starts abandoning themselves, not intentionally and not consciously, but gradually.
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  SPEAKER_00: They stop mentioning things that upset them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They stop expressing disappointment, they stop asking difficult questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: And although they become increasingly focused on maintaining connection, they actually don't ask for anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Conflict and exposure reduces, pressure reduces, and the relationship appears calmer, but it's by no means healthier.
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  SPEAKER_00: One person is adapting to the withdrawal of the other.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually the empath begins carrying responses and responsibilities that belong to two people.
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  SPEAKER_00: They monitor moods, communication, connection ruptures, they hold hope, patience, and faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the relationship starts feeling less like a partnership and more like a toxic rescue mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is often the moment where exhaustion quietly begins, not in a dramatic way, not in an obvious kind of way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And very often the empath won't see it like that because it's the pattern has become normalized.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it develops over years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it becomes the kind that comes from loving someone while feeling increasingly alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: They managed for a while running on vapours, but even those just disappeared.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's the heartbreaking part the avoidant often has no idea how much is accumulating, because that would involve looking at it, seeing it, and taking responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: But also because much of it remains invisible.
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  SPEAKER_00: The empaths tend to be self-contained.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they very rarely leave at the first disappointment or the tenth or the fifteenth or the fiftieth.
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  SPEAKER_00: They stay, they understand, they forgive, they hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because they stay, the avoidant assumes everything is manageable without asking a single question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything's fine, nothing serious is happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: But beneath the surface, trust is draining away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because of cruelty, not because of malice, although sometimes that can be there as well, but because emotional needs remain consistently unmet.
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  SPEAKER_00: One person is becoming exhausted, the other is becoming increasingly disconnected from the consequences.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the tragedy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because neither person is truly getting what they need.
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  SPEAKER_00: The empath is losing themselves, and the avoidant is losing intimacy, despite their protestations that that's what they want.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both are becoming lonelier.
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  SPEAKER_00: In our next episode, we're going to examine what happens in this cycle when it occurs for years, how the small disappointments, the broken promises, the emotional absences, and why the deepest wounds in these relationships are rarely caused by one catastrophic event.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead, they are what I call a death by a thousand cuts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for listening.