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April Hélène-Horton on Self Love & Sustainability! · She's On The Money

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yor
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Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before
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Speaker 1: As this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the cast
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Speaker 4: of people who want financial freedom. Today's Friday, which means
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Speaker 4: it's time to get the team together and celebrate you
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Speaker 4: the incredible She's on the Money community. Today we'll be
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Speaker 4: sharing our favorite money wins. We'll be helping to answer
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Speaker 4: a juicy money dilemma which this week is all about
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Speaker 4: inclusive sizing and the varying prices, and we unpack something
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Speaker 4: you slid into our dms about which this week is
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Speaker 4: all about when you're traveling with a friend and you
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Speaker 4: realize that your budgets may not align.
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Speaker 5: This one's gonna be juicy. I'm very excited for it.
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Speaker 6: I know, I can't wait, Beck And today is very
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Speaker 6: exciting because we are joined by a very well loved
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Speaker 6: friend of the show. You guys have probably heard from
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Speaker 6: her before if you came to our book tour last
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Speaker 6: last year.
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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's been longer than that.
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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty two, I think is when we realized we
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Speaker 6: have the beautiful April joining us. You might know us
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Speaker 6: as the Bodzilla April.
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Speaker 2: Hi. Hello, how are you voting?
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Speaker 6: Hi? I'm so excited to have you here because anyone
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Speaker 6: who has listened to that episode, because we did record
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Speaker 6: the podcast that you joined us for, knows that you
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Speaker 6: are just such a ray of sunshine.
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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I think that was one of the
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Speaker 2: most fun nights. We really just had the best time.
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Speaker 2: It was loose, lots of lots of pass on and
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Speaker 2: off stage. I feel hundi of percent now. April. Some
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Speaker 2: of you may know her. She's a body acceptance and
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Speaker 2: fat positive lady. In addition, she is a writer, she's
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Speaker 2: a podcaster, she's a public speaker.
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Speaker 5: She works in corporate.
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Speaker 6: Comm she doesn't she do all Literally, I can't think
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Speaker 6: of a single thing, and she's one of the funniest
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Speaker 6: humans I've ever met.
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Speaker 5: As well. Do you want to tell everyone a little
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Speaker 5: bit about yourself?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, Well, I mean, aside from all of those things,
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Speaker 2: I guess I would also say I'm a mum, and
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Speaker 2: so that takes up, you know, a fair bit of time,
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Speaker 2: and that's the stuff you kind of don't see. That's
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Speaker 2: really you know, I suppose when you look at what
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Speaker 2: people post online versus what is actually happening in their life,
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Speaker 2: sometimes you don't have to share everything. And so for me, yeah,
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Speaker 2: being a mom is a big part of that. But
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Speaker 2: I get to travel a lot and spend a lot
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Speaker 2: of time doing cool things like this, and that's I
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Speaker 2: think that's really fun because it lets my child see
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Speaker 2: that parents also have a life outside of parenting, which
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Speaker 2: is a really important thing for them to see. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: so I definitely think I would. I'll take all those
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Speaker 2: titles write up first, and why not. Absolutely, I'm here,
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Speaker 2: I've got headphones on. I don't think you can really
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Speaker 2: argue with that.
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Speaker 5: Now, is she in her money era?
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Speaker 1: This?
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Speaker 2: I am in my money era?
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Speaker 6: Very exciting. Before we get into it, how's everybody's week
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Speaker 6: this week?
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Speaker 5: April? You go first?
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Speaker 2: Please oh me, how was my week? Well, it's been great.
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Speaker 2: So I spent the weekend in Brisbane with a bunch
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Speaker 2: of my gal pals. We were at a cute little
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Speaker 2: pier event for a brand that we love, Yes, the
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Speaker 2: Gordeous Inclusive clothing brand, and then.
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Speaker 5: Branded it Vagary. The label amazing by.
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Speaker 2: The beautiful Rachel just honestly, it's floey, it's beautiful. I'm obsessed.
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Speaker 2: And also it's fun because Rachel told U story about
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Speaker 2: how she has people telling her that they thought the
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Speaker 2: name was Vagerie.
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Speaker 5: I mean, not what you want to hear as a
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Speaker 5: business from.
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Speaker 2: I had someone slide into my DMS and say because
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Speaker 2: I tagged the label and say, oh, I thought it
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Speaker 2: might have been like, you know, a product for you
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Speaker 2: who ha. I said, well, the clothes a light and
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Speaker 2: flowy and made from cotton type fabrics, so like it
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Speaker 2: is kind.
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Speaker 5: Of vat Yeah, absolutely, which was not where.
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Speaker 2: I expected any of those versations to go. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: and then you know, back to work midweek and now
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Speaker 2: I'm here on my day off because we love a
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Speaker 2: part time work agreements, and here I am hanging out
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Speaker 2: with you both.
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Speaker 6: Oh I'm so excited, very very fun. Don't start Victoria
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Speaker 6: the word.
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Speaker 2: She's not here, so someone's going to say, did she
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Speaker 2: tell you to do this? Actually? No, which is just
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Speaker 2: yet more proof that we're all so perfectly matched for
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Speaker 2: each other.
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Speaker 5: Definitely definitely. How's your weet been back?
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Speaker 4: My week has been absolutely lovely, just basking in the
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Speaker 4: sometimes sun. Still going to the gym is something that
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Speaker 4: I never thought i'd stick to. But I also do
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Speaker 4: want to speak too soon, because any second now I
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Speaker 4: feel like I'm going to have one one minute break
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Speaker 4: that will last an entire lifetime.
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Speaker 5: So I am worried about that. But otherwise honestly just chilling.
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Speaker 5: What about you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Same, I think, just working.
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Speaker 6: I've been enjoying all of the baby photos beginning from VD,
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Speaker 6: just kind of plodding along. It's getting chilly now, which is,
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Speaker 6: you know, not my fave. Starting to think about planning
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Speaker 6: of AK hopefully Okay, we'll see somewhere warm, I think,
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Speaker 6: because I'm not I'm not good with the cold, but TBC,
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Speaker 6: you haven't figured it out. Just sure we'll go nooser, See,
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Speaker 6: my week's been good, but I've got some really good
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Speaker 6: money wins to share with you guys.
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Speaker 5: You can like to hear them. No, thanks, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, maybe it anyway, it was a rhetorical question.
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Speaker 6: My first money win this week comes from Lauren, who
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Speaker 6: said money win. I finally made it to five K
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Speaker 6: in my emergency fund, which I've been struggling to get
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Speaker 6: to for two years. Now, money loss. We just found
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Speaker 6: out we need to contribute an extra five k to
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Speaker 6: my body corporate for an urgent repaint of the property
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Speaker 6: due to flaking paint letting moisture in. But at least
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Speaker 6: I have the emergency fund for it now.
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Speaker 5: Well, congratulations and sorry to hear. Real kick up the
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Speaker 5: pants when that happens.
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Speaker 4: It's like exactly, yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it's there for.
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Speaker 5: But also very sad when you have to use it.
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Speaker 5: But now you know you can do it, so you
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Speaker 5: can just do it again.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely.
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Speaker 6: Now I've got a money in from Maddie, who said
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Speaker 6: money win. I've been using the seven eleven app to
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Speaker 6: score fifteen dollars off of fuel through the fuel lock function.
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Speaker 6: Such a shame they're restricting the discount as of this week.
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Speaker 6: I don't know what that's about.
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Speaker 2: So you can. I think it's you can look at
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Speaker 2: the app and see what the fuel price is and
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Speaker 2: lock it in, which obviously you risk the biscuits because
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Speaker 2: of what if it goes down? True, But like any
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Speaker 2: kind of thing, you're locking in interest rates, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: I think sometimes you just got to go, I'm going
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Speaker 2: to jump in, take it. Then you can lock it
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Speaker 2: in and then I don't really understand the actual process,
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Speaker 2: but I did read about that because I remember there's
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Speaker 2: lots of compos about fuel kind of over the last
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Speaker 2: few years.
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Speaker 5: So expensive.
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Speaker 6: If I paid like two dollars something this week, I
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Speaker 6: really cried. And I remember when I used to think
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Speaker 6: that it was like a dollar thirty. I'd be like, now,
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Speaker 6: wait for it to go down. Well, totally, I can't
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Speaker 6: remember last monight, was it all of thirty?
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Speaker 2: I was young enough to remember when fuel was under
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Speaker 2: a dollar and they used to report it on the
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Speaker 2: radio every morning, and that it had gone to ninety
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Speaker 2: five cents and everyone was in a funeral.
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Speaker 4: So, oh, my goodness, Yeah, it's not so much worse.
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Speaker 2: Older than both of you buys quite some term.
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Speaker 5: You wouldn't know you wouldn't know it all.
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Speaker 6: Next, I've got a money win from Lucy who said
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Speaker 6: I got two hundred dollars worth of alsk D for
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Speaker 6: eighteen dollars. I found a discount code for fifteen percent off,
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Speaker 6: and then another eight point five percent return using shop back,
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Speaker 6: and I had approximately one hundred and thirty dollars in
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Speaker 6: cash back to withdraw, which I put towards the purchase.
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Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa, I love this.
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Speaker 2: I'm a shot back girly, same, yes, same, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: this is I really, I said. I was in my
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Speaker 2: money era the other day. I looked at the direct
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Speaker 2: Hotel booking website and how much it was, and then
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Speaker 2: booking on booking to a come through shop back, and
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Speaker 2: went like, do I actually save money if I think
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Speaker 2: it's I'm going to get this much back? Like I
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Speaker 2: did a whole math. So there's lots of equations on
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Speaker 2: my around. Imagine it.
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Speaker 6: Do you believe it one of those movies where they're
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Speaker 6: looking at the board and there's like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, was it Russell Crowe, Jeffrey roj I don't know
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Speaker 2: it was someone.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure they've all stayed at all.
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Speaker 2: I was actually thinking exact Galafanakis with the you know the.
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Speaker 5: That's what I was pure, Yes, that's me, big bids.
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Speaker 6: I've got a Bundy reading here from Steph, who said
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Speaker 6: her birthday is Friday, so she's been receiving all of
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Speaker 6: the birthday emails and discounts and free coffees and free
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Speaker 6: food from businesses, which we love.
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Speaker 5: And a big happy birthday to you, Steph, big happy
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Speaker 5: birthday to you.
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Speaker 6: Then I've got one from Mia who said I standed, primed,
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Speaker 6: and painted four pieces of dated furniture. The paint and
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Speaker 6: equipment cost me about forty bucks, but the savings to
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Speaker 6: get a new desk and coffee table and side table
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Speaker 6: would have been well over five hundred.
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Speaker 2: Dollars and nothing going to landfill.
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Speaker 5: We laugh. We do love that. Good for you, sis.
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Speaker 2: And now that she knows she can do it when
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Speaker 2: she's over that.
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Speaker 5: Change it exactly. I love a DIY moment.
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Speaker 6: And then lastly this week, I've got a win from Kaylee,
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Speaker 6: who said money win. I had one hundred and fifteen
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Speaker 6: dollars in unpaid holls. This one's for you back, but
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Speaker 6: I called them up and explained that I was on
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Speaker 6: a holiday and didn't realize that they were all separate bills.
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Speaker 6: I thought it was just additional letters that were being
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Speaker 6: sent while I was gone, and they wiped all the
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Speaker 6: admin fees. So now I only have to pay for
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Speaker 6: thirty eight bucks.
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Speaker 5: Oh that's so good.
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Speaker 2: A little bit of a moment for calling instead of emailing,
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Speaker 2: or just honestly, because I have so many friends who
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Speaker 2: are like, oh, I'll just do you know what, I'll
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Speaker 2: just pay it, I was like, oh no. And also
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Speaker 2: because I've worked on the other side of being customer service,
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Speaker 2: not in that particular scenario, but actually I quite like
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Speaker 2: helping people. So if I have the ability to do it,
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't I just be like, oh no, don't to worry. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want to make your day. And when you're nice
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Speaker 2: to customer service people, they'll be nice to you. So true.
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Speaker 4: That is so true for everyone listening. If you're mean
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Speaker 4: to customer service people, they probably are going out of
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Speaker 4: their way to not help you.
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Speaker 6: So potentially, absolutely, as someone who worked in customer serfs,
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Speaker 6: I can neither confirmin or tonight, me too.
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Speaker 5: Actually, did you have money win at all this week?
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Speaker 5: April Ka?
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Speaker 2: Ch Yes, as I said, I've said a couple of
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Speaker 2: times now, I'm in my money era. This week I
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Speaker 2: opened a savings account, very exciting little online savings account moment.
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Speaker 2: I have decided that I'm trying to say for a goal,
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Speaker 2: and so I went online and I had actually had
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Speaker 2: a look at a few accounts. Of course she's on
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Speaker 2: the money girl means, and I was like, I won't
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Speaker 2: just open the first one I see love. It looked
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Speaker 2: at what the actual account offered in terms of, you know,
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Speaker 2: the interra straight but also the terms, so whether I
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Speaker 2: could put money in take it out, because obviously I'm
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Speaker 2: a flexible gal. I want to be able to do
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Speaker 2: what I need to do. And found the one that
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Speaker 2: suited me best and opened it and put money in
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Speaker 2: it straight away. For you, MAB, I set up a
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Speaker 2: direct debit so that it goes in everywhere with my payroll.
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Speaker 5: I was on a roll day. Automation just makes me
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Speaker 5: feel tingly.
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Speaker 4: That's a word that I will associate with you forever.
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Speaker 4: Tingly but also automated but tingling now forever will be.
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Speaker 5: I don't know why I thought that was okay. Moving along,
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Speaker 5: you get some ro tips.
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Speaker 4: I do have some ro tips, so one from the community,
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Speaker 4: one for myself and I thought I would reserve the
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Speaker 4: third place for yourself, April, if you have amazing okay, perfect.
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Speaker 4: So the first one comes from KR, who says that
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Speaker 4: adding a can of lentils and craded veggies to casserole
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Speaker 4: meals spag bowl, shepherd's pie, past makes, et cetera. It
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Speaker 4: kind of like doubles the feed. So it's like, you know,
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Speaker 4: spend like a dollar on a can of lentils chucking
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Speaker 4: in that kind of doubles all quadruples in some cases,
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Speaker 4: I mean, a bit crazy, but it can really extend
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Speaker 4: the longevity of your food, and I think it's a
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Speaker 4: great idea, especially if you're like kind of clutching at
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Speaker 4: pennies and you can't afford feed like maybe a whole
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Speaker 4: family or just yourself for the week.
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Speaker 2: You know, I totally love this one. I'm I more
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Speaker 2: of a like half mince, half red kidney beans curly
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Speaker 2: when I do Mexican. Yes, it's also like I feel
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Speaker 2: like it's good protein getting some veggies in there. No
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Speaker 2: one notices because it's all the same color. Happy days,
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Speaker 2: And totally it's like the cost of the meat versus
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Speaker 2: you know that, and if you want it to go
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Speaker 2: the whole way, you could just do it all beans,
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Speaker 2: do you delicious? So yeah? And for vegetarian people, it's
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Speaker 2: like when you have someone over, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: be like, oh, you've got a separate plate eating a
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Speaker 2: few less meat, few more veggie. That's always good.
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Speaker 5: We love. Yeah, that's a win win win win.
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Speaker 6: I would say I have the idea of grating to
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Speaker 6: get one of those odd bunch bags. If you know,
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Speaker 6: you get like the one dollar whatever it coals where
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Speaker 6: it's the misshapen carrots or that you couldn't necessarily easily
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Speaker 6: chop up, but if you just grate it and chuck
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Speaker 6: it in.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 4: And then the poor sad little fruits that everyone thinks
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Speaker 4: are ugly.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I really feel for them.
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Speaker 2: Fruits fruit positivity there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, we need an advocate for those guys.
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Speaker 2: Well that's me. I'm there with my I've got zucchini's
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Speaker 2: carrots and then also sometimes avocados. I'm like, how can
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Speaker 2: you you can't judge? Then you kind of open and
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Speaker 2: it's mostly see and you're like, okay, well I'll away
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Speaker 2: with it this time. Okay.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, ten of them for my bowl of cocaolally for
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Speaker 6: one table.
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Speaker 5: And my broke tip of this week.
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Speaker 4: I caught up with an old friend literally yesterday, and
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Speaker 4: it was a bit awkward because I was making a joke.
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Speaker 4: I was like, who in the world still uses group
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Speaker 4: on and she was like I do. I said, oh,
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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, but she really didn't lighten me. I
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Speaker 4: was humbled stay because she said that she you can
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Speaker 4: get anything on there and so much she but I
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Speaker 4: forgot that this thing existed really, but she was like,
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Speaker 4: you know, she gets ten dollars event movie tickets instead
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Speaker 4: of going and paying like sometimes twenty eight dollars, like
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Speaker 4: someplace they have paid that much. And so my break
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Speaker 4: tip for this week is, do have a browse on Groupon.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to eat my words. I'm going to say,
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Speaker 4: go on groupon have a look what's there. You might
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Speaker 4: be surprised. You might find some cheap restaurant vouchers, some
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Speaker 4: cheap movie tickets. Just have a browse, have a peruse.
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Speaker 5: I used to always love when I was younger the
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Speaker 5: massages on.
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Speaker 6: There because they would usually do really cheap massages. I
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Speaker 6: haven't looked at it in about ten thousand years, so.
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Speaker 2: I know because I don't live so you know, obviously
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Speaker 2: I live in Canberra, and so that means that for me,
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Speaker 2: group on options are slightly limited because we definitely don't
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Speaker 2: have the kind of metropolitan vibes that when I lived
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Speaker 2: in Sydney, I found group on was more useful because
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Speaker 2: I have all way more options. True, So group On,
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Speaker 2: if you're listening, expand the options in camera.
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Speaker 5: Thanks, let us know, we'll work with you, will make
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Speaker 5: it happen.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, that's it for me, April. I feel
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Speaker 4: like maybe you have a good one, and I'm very
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Speaker 4: excited to hear it.
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Speaker 2: I do have a good one. So I collect the
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Speaker 2: cans at home. My son is nearly seven and he
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Speaker 2: told me by a couple of weeks ago, Mum, I
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Speaker 2: really want to go to Italy, which I was like,
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Speaker 2: how do you even know it exists? It's called geography,
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Speaker 2: And so he said, I really want to go to
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Speaker 2: Italy and throw a coin in the pond. And I
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Speaker 2: was for a second, also not knowing much about Italy
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Speaker 2: going in the world. Oh, and I said, do you
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Speaker 2: mean the trivia fountain? He said, yep, the Trevia fountain.
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Speaker 2: Because children never quite say the thing that they're trying
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Speaker 2: to say, and I said, okay, well and I kind
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Speaker 2: of looked and I went, what about if we save
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Speaker 2: all of these cans and then we take them to
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Speaker 2: the return and earn, which I knew that he would
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Speaker 2: just find that that, you know, whole process really automation.
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Speaker 5: Baby, love it.
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Speaker 2: We're back at that absolutely, and we'll save all your
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Speaker 2: cans and then you get to keep the money. So
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Speaker 2: it's your job to collect the cans from around the
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Speaker 2: house where I'm alway leaving them after I finish drinking them.
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Speaker 2: Collect the cans and we'll take them. So we did that,
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Speaker 2: and we returned his first lot of cans and he
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Speaker 2: got six dollars fee. So I've told him that it's
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Speaker 2: going to take him approximately fifty years to return enough
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Speaker 2: cans to get a trip to Italy. What he doesn't
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Speaker 2: know is that I'm basing that on a figure that
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Speaker 2: includes airfares and accommodation for me and his dad as well,
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Speaker 2: probably only twelve and a half years if he wants
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Speaker 2: to go on his own. But given that he'll only
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Speaker 2: be about nineteen, surely he wants to take his mum
15:21
Speaker 2: with him when he's nineteen to Europe. Mum, come on,
15:24
Speaker 2: let's go. And so hopefully yes, that will set him
15:28
Speaker 2: on the right path to understand about saving. I put
15:30
Speaker 2: it into his account, showed him that I'd put it
15:32
Speaker 2: in there. I was super easy. Well, it went to
15:34
Speaker 2: my PayPal and I was like sure, I'm like, look,
15:35
Speaker 2: I'm putting that money in for you. And so that's
15:38
Speaker 2: his little fortnightly thing that he gets to do.
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Speaker 5: Very cute. I love that.
15:41
Speaker 4: That is very sweet and what a great way to
15:44
Speaker 4: teach financial literacy at a young age.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, I must say.
15:47
Speaker 6: The Italian to me is rolling at a Triviy fountain
15:50
Speaker 6: being called the pond.
15:53
Speaker 2: You're like, ah, it's not.
15:57
Speaker 5: That is iconic.
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Speaker 4: I actually didn't know it was called that I until
16:00
Speaker 4: right now, so I'm seeing you laughing. But I'm also like,
16:02
Speaker 4: I totally get where he's coming from. Okay, let's go
16:05
Speaker 4: for a really quick break and on the other side,
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Speaker 4: we will discuss money dilemma. The money dilemma.
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Speaker 8: Hey girls, for context, I'm a clusterized girlie a very
16:50
Speaker 8: proud one at that. Recently, I went on a trip
16:53
Speaker 8: to Balley and noticed that the larger the size, the
16:55
Speaker 8: more expensive the item was. I tried not to overreact,
16:58
Speaker 8: but when I asked the lady why this was the case,
17:01
Speaker 8: she said it's because they use more fabric. I know
17:03
Speaker 8: this isn't the case in Australia. In fact, I'm definitely
17:06
Speaker 8: happy with how inclusive sizing is, but the fact I
17:09
Speaker 8: had to pay more money purely for my size was
17:11
Speaker 8: a concept I find myself fixated on. I went through
17:14
Speaker 8: the same cost of living crisis last year as my friends,
17:17
Speaker 8: but every time I complained about it, I feel like
17:19
Speaker 8: my friends are dismissing it and telling me to move on.
17:22
Speaker 8: I guess my dilemma is how can I communicate the
17:24
Speaker 8: fact that this is unfair financially, but also diminishes my
17:27
Speaker 8: confidence a bit. To my girlfriends.
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Speaker 6: Thanks, that would be awful if you were in a
17:31
Speaker 6: situation and somebody just said I just feel like, it
17:34
Speaker 6: wouldn't feel nice. But I do feel like, and I'm
17:38
Speaker 6: you know, I am straight sized, so I can't really
17:40
Speaker 6: speak from experience, but I do feel like a lot
17:43
Speaker 6: of the time plus sized clothing is priced at a
17:46
Speaker 6: higher price point. I don't necessarily know it's tip for
17:49
Speaker 6: tat in the same way that oh, I look at
17:51
Speaker 6: this stress and in a size eighteen, it's X dollars
17:54
Speaker 6: in the same way that this girl experienced in Bali.
17:56
Speaker 6: But I feel like, just as a general rule of thumb,
17:59
Speaker 6: often when I do brands, they are priceier. But I
18:02
Speaker 6: don't know if that's just my perception of it.
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Speaker 4: I mean I kind of feel that as well, because
18:08
Speaker 4: I don't know about you guys, but like I used
18:11
Speaker 4: to shop at, is it city cheek?
18:13
Speaker 5: Is that what it's called? I never knew if it
18:14
Speaker 5: was chick or chic.
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Speaker 2: I believe it's chic, but then in brackets, except it's not.
18:20
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's so embarrassing. I've been telling everyone.
18:23
Speaker 2: Doesn't they knew who you met?
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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, I hope, so sorry everyone out there. But
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Speaker 4: I think because it kind of felt a little bit
18:30
Speaker 4: more botique. And I don't really don't really know how
18:32
Speaker 4: to use that word, so I might be saying it incorrectly,
18:33
Speaker 4: but it always felt more expensive. But I feel like
18:36
Speaker 4: it was kind of like, hey, this is our niche,
18:37
Speaker 4: and this is like we're charging more because we're allowed.
18:40
Speaker 5: To because this is our niche.
18:41
Speaker 4: And so I'd be like, okay, well I don't really
18:43
Speaker 4: have an option, so the options. It's the options thing,
18:45
Speaker 4: isn't it. It's like, well, if you don't have an option,
18:47
Speaker 4: then you kind of have to.
18:48
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
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Speaker 4: That's kind of like my experience and know that our
18:52
Speaker 4: listener is asking basically like how do we I guess,
18:56
Speaker 4: like portray that or kind of explain that to people
18:57
Speaker 4: who haven't had that same experience. But it's it's kind
19:00
Speaker 4: of like with everything, like if someone hasn't had that
19:02
Speaker 4: same experience as you, it can be hard for people
19:04
Speaker 4: to empathize. And so all I would say is just literally,
19:08
Speaker 4: in this instance, it is a little bit better in
19:11
Speaker 4: you know, say, you actually have some numbers. You can
19:13
Speaker 4: actually crunch numbers and be like, here is actual evidence,
19:16
Speaker 4: Here is actual proof that is things are more expensive
19:19
Speaker 4: for me. Sometimes I'm not sure if that's always a situation.
19:21
Speaker 4: She did say, it's a little bit EASi here in Australia,
19:23
Speaker 4: but if you've got the receipts, show them, babe.
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Speaker 2: I like that. It's like mildly aggressive, but in a
19:30
Speaker 2: cute one. So my experience of this is I have
19:34
Speaker 2: never had that experience. Now, what I would probably say is,
19:37
Speaker 2: in a situation where you're in valley buying clothes, is
19:39
Speaker 2: it possible you're having tailored items, and that you're potentially
19:42
Speaker 2: having a conversation with a person who's literally thinking about
19:45
Speaker 2: meters and material because you know, if you go to
19:47
Speaker 2: spotlight and you need this many, it's this much, and
19:50
Speaker 2: if you need this many, it's as much. Now I
19:52
Speaker 2: fully understand the emotional thing because I remember there was
19:55
Speaker 2: a brand and I won't name them, but a brand
19:58
Speaker 2: that used to charge a surpless feet So it was
20:01
Speaker 2: like the extra small small medium life as soon as
20:04
Speaker 2: there's have to be an ex involved in there, one
20:06
Speaker 2: two or three x's plus twenty dollars. So yeah, there
20:10
Speaker 2: were some ballsy nonsense. They don't do it anymore, which
20:12
Speaker 2: is why I'm not going to name them.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll tell you I'm dying today.
20:17
Speaker 2: But so they used to charge a different they were
20:20
Speaker 2: at a different price point, but like actively so when
20:22
Speaker 2: you would drop down the menu, it would change the price.
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Speaker 6: Were they like if you went to excess double excess?
20:27
Speaker 6: Were they dropping math?
20:28
Speaker 2: So they had a base price and then it went
20:29
Speaker 2: up from someone so that the math is not mapping.
20:32
Speaker 2: So that experience I do relate to that experience. However,
20:36
Speaker 2: that's not something I obviously didn't buy the thing, so
20:38
Speaker 2: it's like it's not an experience that I've had. I
20:40
Speaker 2: think in defense of the situation in Bali, and to
20:44
Speaker 2: reassure this listener that it's not a you problem. That
20:47
Speaker 2: is probably you experiencing a person who owns a tiny
20:50
Speaker 2: little business covering their costs based on what their costs
20:54
Speaker 2: actually are and perhaps not thinking about the broader problem
20:58
Speaker 2: of this makes this person feel so and that's not great.
21:02
Speaker 2: But I think in the Australian landscape, we've got two
21:05
Speaker 2: things happening. You're totally right back that we've got limited
21:07
Speaker 2: options city chic. If it is if that is your.
21:10
Speaker 6: Real name is at this point in the room with us.
21:17
Speaker 2: You know, if you're in danger, and so I think
21:20
Speaker 2: they are. They wanted to pass themselves off as boutique,
21:22
Speaker 2: and I think ten years ago when I was buying
21:24
Speaker 2: clothes from them for myself, I got a new corporate
21:27
Speaker 2: job and wanted to buy new clothes. I still have
21:30
Speaker 2: some of those items. The quality was much higher. Peplum
21:33
Speaker 2: tops they are forever. They're laughing, but I'm not joking.
21:37
Speaker 2: It's one of the items. I was like, I love
21:39
Speaker 2: this top and I don't care if other people it's
21:41
Speaker 2: not in fashion, yeah, but I like it and when
21:43
Speaker 2: I wear it, You're like, oh that's good. I know.
21:45
Speaker 2: And so I definitely think over time their quality has lowered,
21:49
Speaker 2: but their prices have not. And yes, we have more
21:52
Speaker 2: options now, you know, places like Big W and your
21:54
Speaker 2: other larger departments type stores are stocking a plus range now.
21:58
Speaker 2: Because I'm never looking at the size eight range. I
22:02
Speaker 2: don't know if I could go, like for like a
22:04
Speaker 2: white singlet top and a white singlet top from the whatever,
22:07
Speaker 2: the straight sized range, who I don't know them. I
22:11
Speaker 2: don't know if I can compare like for like you're
22:13
Speaker 2: something like, you know, a white singlet top or a
22:14
Speaker 2: basic from the straight sized range, and then go to
22:17
Speaker 2: the other section of the store where the plus size
22:18
Speaker 2: stuff is because obviously they don't keep them together, wouldn't
22:20
Speaker 2: want us mixing, and go, oh, this is this much
22:24
Speaker 2: and there's a difference. But the reality is that, yes,
22:26
Speaker 2: it's not just about the price point, although that's key
22:29
Speaker 2: and part of that feeling around when we're talking economically,
22:32
Speaker 2: this person's experiencing a more significant impact in a cost
22:36
Speaker 2: of living crisis, but also the fact that you're only
22:38
Speaker 2: limited because this person has the option for a white
22:41
Speaker 2: one of black on, a brown on, a gray one,
22:42
Speaker 2: a blue on, pink on, and yellow and you get
22:44
Speaker 2: white or black. Yeah, that's so true. And I'm kind
22:48
Speaker 2: of like, well, what if I want to be cute
22:50
Speaker 2: and colorful? Yeah, never mind, I guess. And so I
22:53
Speaker 2: think there are some brands that are doing it better,
22:55
Speaker 2: some brands that are not doing it well at all.
22:56
Speaker 2: One of the other key things, And I know I
22:58
Speaker 2: mentioned this brand earlier, Vagary is a really great brand
23:01
Speaker 2: who they really are super inclusive. But also I know
23:04
Speaker 2: that I've got a friend Katie full disclosure, she is
23:06
Speaker 2: my friend who earns Ecklestone the label, and she released
23:09
Speaker 2: her clothing range last year and she's been really great,
23:13
Speaker 2: like in conversations with girlies talking about costs and all
23:17
Speaker 2: of that type of stuff. She's someone who I've learned
23:19
Speaker 2: a lot from about how it kind of works and
23:22
Speaker 2: about having a certain number of sizes to run before
23:24
Speaker 2: you can start. So we have lots of businesses who
23:26
Speaker 2: talk about the costs of keeping plus size clothing on
23:29
Speaker 2: their racks, and I think that the reality is that
23:31
Speaker 2: if you want to do it, you can. If they
23:33
Speaker 2: wanted to, they would, yeah, And I think for this person,
23:35
Speaker 2: our listener who's having that experience, my recommendation really would
23:40
Speaker 2: be to look for those brands that want you there
23:42
Speaker 2: and try to focus on finding clothes that you love
23:45
Speaker 2: and that you're going to have in your wardrobe for
23:46
Speaker 2: a long time, because you will pay more for really
23:49
Speaker 2: great clothes and are made by brands that love all
23:51
Speaker 2: bodies and especially fat bodies, but the likelihood that they
23:55
Speaker 2: will last longer and be pieces that you will look
23:58
Speaker 2: back on in your wardrobe over and over again. I
24:00
Speaker 2: know that it's really hard. It's not getting easier to
24:02
Speaker 2: be a fat person buying fashion because yes, we have
24:05
Speaker 2: more options, but we still have to face you know,
24:08
Speaker 2: we've reached the kind of end of the life cycle
24:10
Speaker 2: of the fashion body positivity season. I feel like it's
24:15
Speaker 2: going out.
24:15
Speaker 6: Everyone's saying we spoke about it. We mentioned this at
24:17
Speaker 6: some point. I remember when it was on the show.
24:19
Speaker 6: The Kate Moss vibe is back.
24:20
Speaker 2: Here the heroin aesthetic and as a person who didn't
24:25
Speaker 2: want to wear low rise Janes the first time. It's
24:26
Speaker 2: a hard note for me, I am, and so I
24:29
Speaker 2: think for our listener, big hugs, it is hard. The
24:33
Speaker 2: size on the tag doesn't matter. You are entitled to
24:36
Speaker 2: want to have fashion, and I think our focus really
24:38
Speaker 2: needs to change away from I suppose trying to fit
24:42
Speaker 2: clothes and finding clothes that fit us. If your friends
24:44
Speaker 2: can't get on board with that, get new friends.
24:46
Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say.
24:48
Speaker 6: Is the thing I think that I did mention is
24:50
Speaker 6: like the friend situation, and I feel like your friend
24:53
Speaker 6: should be empathetic to your situation.
24:56
Speaker 2: I think not being able to relate to something isn't
24:58
Speaker 2: a good reason not to care about it.
25:00
Speaker 6: And it's like, as you were saying back, like you
25:03
Speaker 6: have the receipts you can literally say here's the difference,
25:06
Speaker 6: here's the issue.
25:07
Speaker 5: You can see it visually.
25:09
Speaker 6: I guess as you were saying in the landscape in Australia,
25:11
Speaker 6: it's not just overseas. And if your friend is making
25:14
Speaker 6: you feel bad about that, I would say that they
25:16
Speaker 6: don't sound like a very good friend.
25:17
Speaker 5: Ye, to be honest, agreed.
25:19
Speaker 2: One of my other things that I've been doing is
25:21
Speaker 2: so I made I went on a no new fashion promise,
25:24
Speaker 2: so one January. I don't really do resolutions, but when
25:27
Speaker 2: I moved house and I saw how many clothes I've got,
25:29
Speaker 2: and I don't know if either of you have seen
25:31
Speaker 2: on my Insta when I posted those stories, it's literally
25:34
Speaker 2: it's literally a wardrobe that was built for two adults
25:37
Speaker 2: because it's in like I've got the main bedroom and
25:40
Speaker 2: it is a full walking room and it goes all
25:42
Speaker 2: the way Oh no, that's a winnow, all the way down,
25:44
Speaker 2: all the way down. I've got stuff stored at the
25:46
Speaker 2: top in the drawers and here I have more clothes
25:48
Speaker 2: than any human person will ever need. Yeah, And so
25:51
Speaker 2: I just was like, this is actually ridiculous. And also
25:53
Speaker 2: what I got rid of that, I was like, oh,
25:55
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I love that, I've got more
25:57
Speaker 2: than ten bags of stuff that I'm going to I'm
25:59
Speaker 2: actually gonna say on consignment, which is exactly we love well,
26:02
Speaker 2: because I was just, you know, I thought, am I
26:04
Speaker 2: actually ever going to sell these in my own closet sale?
26:06
Speaker 2: No I'm not. But realistically speaking, if this person who
26:09
Speaker 2: has a business doing that, the lovely Maria from the
26:12
Speaker 2: fat Section in the Southern Highlands in New South Wales,
26:14
Speaker 2: I was like, babe, you take them, you sell them,
26:16
Speaker 2: give me a little chuck a few dollars my way,
26:18
Speaker 2: because at this point it's literally zero dollars. It's worth
26:20
Speaker 2: zero to me in a bag in my wardrobe, in
26:22
Speaker 2: my garage. Yeah, and so I'm going to sell those,
26:25
Speaker 2: but I've also promised myself I'm not buying any new fashion.
26:28
Speaker 2: So the only thing I'm purchasing from clothing and apparel
26:31
Speaker 2: stores is replacement basics like underwear, single it tops, that
26:34
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and not buying anything new for the
26:37
Speaker 2: entire year.
26:38
Speaker 5: I love that I saw.
26:39
Speaker 6: I don't remember the exact details of where I saw it,
26:43
Speaker 6: and so this is probably not that helpful, but I
26:44
Speaker 6: remember seeing someone posting about the amount of water and
26:49
Speaker 6: electricity and stuff that it takes for somebody to add
26:52
Speaker 6: a new piece to their closet. Yes, and they're like,
26:54
Speaker 6: then multiply that by the fact that you're getting a
26:56
Speaker 6: new outfit for you know, every event or you dress,
26:59
Speaker 6: go out or whatever it is. And then the amount
27:02
Speaker 6: of just resources that we're all taking by consuming and
27:05
Speaker 6: a lot of the time we're consuming fast fashion, which
27:07
Speaker 6: I am not judging because I know that, you know,
27:10
Speaker 6: price point is important to people, and not everyone can
27:12
Speaker 6: afford to invest in expensive things at the moment. But
27:15
Speaker 6: the fact that like our default is I'll just go
27:17
Speaker 6: buy a ten dollar top, and the drain that that
27:21
Speaker 6: has on like our resources and the impact on our planet,
27:23
Speaker 6: Like we've had the hottest January on record in the
27:26
Speaker 6: history of the world. And like I know that you
27:29
Speaker 6: just go, oh hot weather, like great.
27:30
Speaker 2: I love the things. No, I don't. I lay awake
27:32
Speaker 2: at not thinking about it.
27:34
Speaker 5: But yeah, you do.
27:35
Speaker 2: You do you forget that that is actually a direct impact,
27:38
Speaker 2: Like when you think, oh my god, I'm so hot,
27:40
Speaker 2: I can't I'm sweating to death, that you actually look.
27:43
Speaker 2: Does the consumer on an individual basis have the ability
27:46
Speaker 2: to completely change this? No, but do we all have
27:49
Speaker 2: the ability to slightly change our behavior to make a
27:51
Speaker 2: small impact. Yeah, and also agree that we need to
27:54
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think we want to be shaming
27:56
Speaker 2: people about what they're able to afford, but also really
27:59
Speaker 2: changing people's perception of views around fast fashion because the
28:03
Speaker 2: amount of resources it consinues to create the fashion, the
28:05
Speaker 2: amount of landfill, the lack of ethics in the supply chain.
28:08
Speaker 2: I do think we need to be asking ourselves not
28:11
Speaker 2: so much whether they should reconsider spending more money. That's
28:14
Speaker 2: the whole point. We're trying to save money or not
28:17
Speaker 2: be spending money needlessly. Do I actually need to buy this?
28:20
Speaker 2: And so that's where I landed as someone who has
28:22
Speaker 2: pieces in my wardrobe from City Cheek, as I said,
28:25
Speaker 2: which they are technically fast fashioned in terms of how
28:27
Speaker 2: it's produced in that kind of thing. And yes, keeping
28:30
Speaker 2: it for a long time does increase the sustainability in
28:32
Speaker 2: the sense that it's not in landfill and I haven't
28:34
Speaker 2: bought new things to replace it. But at the same time,
28:37
Speaker 2: I just looked at my wardrobe and I thought, this
28:39
Speaker 2: is all amazing stuff I can shot my wardrobe, and
28:43
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's only what four months into
28:46
Speaker 2: the year. But the amount of times I've thought I
28:49
Speaker 2: might it, oh on a weight means that I was
28:52
Speaker 2: consuming at a rate that was totally unnecessary. Yeah, And
28:54
Speaker 2: I think for me that's something that I've been really
28:57
Speaker 2: happy to be able to curb. And I know that
28:59
Speaker 2: that's not for everyone, and some people have really great
29:00
Speaker 2: habits around that stuff. But I think when we're talking
29:03
Speaker 2: about consuming fashion and our ability to buy clothes that
29:06
Speaker 2: are really beautiful and that fit us, that's why I
29:08
Speaker 2: care a lot about supporting brands that care about sustainability,
29:12
Speaker 2: brands that care about ethics, and brands that care about
29:13
Speaker 2: fat people, because all of those demographics and all of
29:16
Speaker 2: those considerations have been left out of fashion for such
29:18
Speaker 2: a long time. So I think we do have the
29:20
Speaker 2: ability to have a significant impact when it comes to
29:23
Speaker 2: the climate, which is a feminist issue because the people
29:26
Speaker 2: who are most heavily impacted by the climate crisis are women.
29:29
Speaker 2: It is our opportunity to push back brands that we
29:33
Speaker 2: know won't name them, but you know who they are,
29:34
Speaker 2: who are literally killing the planet. If we push back
29:37
Speaker 2: against purchasing from them and we see that they're reducing
29:40
Speaker 2: in terms of their production size because they're losing money.
29:42
Speaker 2: Then we can have a genuine impact. Our plastic straws
29:46
Speaker 2: being eliminated from every cafe on the street going to
29:48
Speaker 2: change the world. Probably not, potentially causes more problems for
29:51
Speaker 2: people with disabilities and things like that. So it's like,
29:54
Speaker 2: let's not rush to the individualist solution. Let's try to
29:57
Speaker 2: figure out how we actually can change something genuinely, tangibly
30:01
Speaker 2: change it with a mindset change.
30:03
Speaker 6: Yeah.
30:03
Speaker 5: Do you guys follow Emma Edwards the broke generation?
30:06
Speaker 2: I think I do.
30:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's in a finance space. She's great.
30:09
Speaker 6: But she did a wardrobe pause challenge last year similar
30:12
Speaker 6: to you. She bought nothing new. She gave herself a
30:14
Speaker 6: few I think you know, I can replace things if
30:17
Speaker 6: they break, you know, hygiene things, underwear, stuff like that
30:20
Speaker 6: obviously all on the awkward list, but like as a whole,
30:23
Speaker 6: no new fashion purchases, and she tracked it throughout the art.
30:26
Speaker 6: She succeeded, and it was really interesting because she now
30:30
Speaker 6: I believe she does like a challenge where she helps
30:32
Speaker 6: other people do the same thing. But she spoke about
30:35
Speaker 6: the psychological impact of breaking that habit, kind of like
30:38
Speaker 6: what you were saying, and she was saying, it's so interesting,
30:41
Speaker 6: like now she thought when she started that she'd get
30:43
Speaker 6: to the last day of twenty twenty three and you know,
30:46
Speaker 6: Jan Verst be like, get me to the shops, but
30:49
Speaker 6: she didn't have that desire because she had broken the
30:52
Speaker 6: psychological need to consume in that way. Yeah, which is
30:56
Speaker 6: really interesting because you're, as you're saying, like it's almost
30:58
Speaker 6: a wiring and it's changed the way that you think
31:00
Speaker 6: about things. I know that she had an event to
31:03
Speaker 6: go to I remember seeing and she sowd an outfit
31:06
Speaker 6: because she went and she got some fabric and she
31:09
Speaker 6: made it. And I don't think she's a particularly experienced
31:12
Speaker 6: sower from what she said, But it was just really
31:14
Speaker 6: interesting to be like, there are other options to you
31:16
Speaker 6: than going out and just buying like a quick, easy solution.
31:19
Speaker 6: You know, Can you shop at secondhand? Can you do
31:21
Speaker 6: all of these things? So changing the mindset, I think
31:24
Speaker 6: is such a big cornerstone. And if you do still,
31:26
Speaker 6: you know, at the end of this year, for you, April,
31:29
Speaker 6: if you go, oh, I do like I want to
31:30
Speaker 6: buy something new or I want to do that, I
31:33
Speaker 6: feel like the psychology of it will have changed and
31:35
Speaker 6: you can do it more mindfully, which is awesome.
31:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think also separately a bit related
31:41
Speaker 2: my ability to save money by not buying things. Well,
31:44
Speaker 2: put it this way, my after pays at zero.
31:47
Speaker 6: Queen amazing, delete it well unless you cash flow, which
31:50
Speaker 6: is fine I do.
31:51
Speaker 2: But also that's my goal is to actually get to
31:54
Speaker 2: the point where I've built up my savings so I
31:55
Speaker 2: feel comfortable to delete it. Feels like a bit of
31:57
Speaker 2: a safety net right now because like I don't totally fair. Yeah,
32:00
Speaker 2: so my outter pays at zero and I'm able to go, oh,
32:03
Speaker 2: I'm going to save so much money. That's really great.
32:05
Speaker 2: So that mindset shift around what I value. I think
32:08
Speaker 2: also because I get a little dope mean hit from
32:10
Speaker 2: looking at my savings account balance instead of from that
32:12
Speaker 2: order received notification. But at the same time buying something new,
32:16
Speaker 2: I think I'm not ruling it out. I'm just I
32:18
Speaker 2: think taking the year off because I genuinely have so
32:22
Speaker 2: many flip and clothes like I don't I don't actually
32:24
Speaker 2: need to buy anything. But also trying really hard not
32:26
Speaker 2: to push that onto other people. When some's like I
32:28
Speaker 2: want to buy something new, I heard myself say, you
32:30
Speaker 2: don't need anything to this person and then I was like,
32:32
Speaker 2: you are like one of those people who like that
32:35
Speaker 2: quit smoking in, coughs at people, or you know, gives
32:38
Speaker 2: up gluten and then starts telling everyone that gluten's going
32:41
Speaker 2: to kill you, which like in some people's case it might,
32:42
Speaker 2: but like just relax, okay, So yeah, trying to not
32:45
Speaker 2: make it my whole personality. Yeah, but also being really
32:48
Speaker 2: like just really sticking to that value. And I think
32:51
Speaker 2: for me, I hope to say out the whole year
32:53
Speaker 2: and have stuck to it because I think also I
32:54
Speaker 2: never stick to anything. So I'm just being really proud
32:56
Speaker 2: of myself being like I did that.
32:58
Speaker 5: Are you a document on social I think a little bit.
33:00
Speaker 2: I wanted to really get I think, get into it
33:02
Speaker 2: and be able to show a tangible difference, like so
33:04
Speaker 2: to be able to go, oh, I've actually I can
33:06
Speaker 2: tell you how much I saved based on I like data.
33:09
Speaker 3: I know.
33:09
Speaker 2: I was telling you a story right before we started
33:11
Speaker 2: recording about how I used to take I used to
33:13
Speaker 2: buy lunch at work all the time in coffees. Buying
33:14
Speaker 2: coffees is my favorite activity, and so I worked out
33:20
Speaker 2: that I was spending I spent thirteen hundred and nineteen
33:23
Speaker 2: dollars last year on coffees and lunches and I don't
33:25
Speaker 2: even work full time in the office, Like, what is
33:28
Speaker 2: actually happening?
33:28
Speaker 5: Does that make you feel crazy?
33:29
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my god, that would be
33:31
Speaker 2: in my savings account if I hadn't done that. And
33:33
Speaker 2: then I had a conversation with a friend and it
33:35
Speaker 2: was payday. So you're always feeling a little loosey, and
33:39
Speaker 2: I'd gone so far like that whole time, not buying
33:41
Speaker 2: a coffee, and she said to me, She's like, well,
33:43
Speaker 2: I'll buy you one because I made a joke. I
33:45
Speaker 2: was like, I didn't say I wasn't drinking coffee. I
33:46
Speaker 2: said I wasn't paying for it. Very savvy. But she said, well,
33:51
Speaker 2: I'll share your coffee because I've convinced you to come
33:52
Speaker 2: and stand in the coffee line with me. I'll buy
33:54
Speaker 2: your coffee, which I think is nice. It's the way
33:55
Speaker 2: I iced to do a nice thing. And she said,
33:59
Speaker 2: have you found it? I said, I do miss the
34:02
Speaker 2: ritual of coming to do it, but I've actually found
34:04
Speaker 2: It's been good. I've been drinking more water because I'm
34:06
Speaker 2: not drinking coffee. And then we had a conversation about
34:09
Speaker 2: this sort of all or nothing attitude towards stuff, and
34:11
Speaker 2: she said, well, what about if you bought a coffee
34:13
Speaker 2: like only once a fortnight, which I think she was
34:15
Speaker 2: just angling towards the fact that we worked together in
34:16
Speaker 2: the office on the day that's usually pay day, which
34:18
Speaker 2: is once a fortnight. I was like, I say, were
34:20
Speaker 2: you go one strategic queen? And I said, well, I
34:23
Speaker 2: did the mats on my phone. I'd worked out it
34:24
Speaker 2: was twenty seven dollars a week that I had wasted
34:27
Speaker 2: spent on lunches that I could have brought and coffees
34:30
Speaker 2: that I could have not drank because really, like it's decaf,
34:33
Speaker 2: I'm not even getting caffeinated from it. What's the point
34:37
Speaker 2: it's hot milk? And I worked out it'd be one
34:39
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two dollars for the whole year. Oh
34:42
Speaker 2: okay if I just bought one a fortnight. And I thought, okay,
34:45
Speaker 2: so it's not a commitment that I go, Oh, I
34:47
Speaker 2: can never. I've sworn off this forever, and if I
34:49
Speaker 2: do it, I have to go out that I can
34:50
Speaker 2: give myself an upper cut. It's now I can go.
34:53
Speaker 2: What's my limit? I'm changing the way I'm doing this thing.
34:56
Speaker 2: So again, by that same token, if you've decided that
34:58
Speaker 2: you just kind of stopped buying fast fashion and you're
35:01
Speaker 2: only going to invest in sustainable fashion, that's a mindset
35:04
Speaker 2: shift that will over time save you money, and you
35:06
Speaker 2: forgot about it.
35:07
Speaker 5: So it's like, hey, we love that. That actually was
35:10
Speaker 5: on my in's list op shopping, So thank you.
35:12
Speaker 2: So much late.
35:13
Speaker 1: Sorry.
35:13
Speaker 2: Also, I think I pretty much talked ninety five percent
35:15
Speaker 2: of this whole episode.
35:16
Speaker 5: Pols love it. No, it is very, very very thank
35:19
Speaker 5: you so much.
35:19
Speaker 2: Well, it was about money, so at least it was on.
35:22
Speaker 6: Topic absolutely, and I think the conversation around fashion and
35:25
Speaker 6: finance and the impact like it's very relevant to us,
35:28
Speaker 6: Like it's something that I genuinely like find so interesting.
35:30
Speaker 4: Hopefully the people listening to you, Okay, guys, are we
35:32
Speaker 4: ready for a juicy DM?
35:34
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Okay, here we go.
35:36
Speaker 4: So from one listener they say, I'm going on a
35:38
Speaker 4: VAK with my girlfriend in brackets euro summer. We love that,
35:43
Speaker 4: which is our winter? Isn't it so great? Get out
35:46
Speaker 4: of here? Escape? And as we get further into the planning,
35:48
Speaker 4: I can see we are financially going on too very
35:51
Speaker 4: different holidays. We were so keen on the idea of Europe.
35:54
Speaker 4: We kind of skipped talking about our budgets. I see,
35:57
Speaker 4: I have saved for a long time to go on
35:58
Speaker 4: this trip, but it seems like she wants hostels whereas
36:01
Speaker 4: I want hotels are a bit nicer. She wants to
36:03
Speaker 4: go on to train for fifteen hours because it is cheap,
36:06
Speaker 4: but I'll happily spend more money to do a two
36:08
Speaker 4: hour flight to make it more convenient. I'm keen to
36:10
Speaker 4: book fancy dinners, but she wants to spend no more
36:13
Speaker 4: than forty dollars on dinner. That's still kind of expensive though. Yeah,
36:16
Speaker 4: I've luki got the ig from traveling with her now.
36:18
Speaker 4: There isn't anything wrong with the way she wants to
36:20
Speaker 4: do it, It's just not where I'm at. How do
36:22
Speaker 4: I say to her that I want to enjoy myself
36:24
Speaker 4: and financially we won't be the best travel buddies. She's
36:27
Speaker 4: so keen on going together, but would rather go solo
36:30
Speaker 4: and not have to compromise my trip.
36:32
Speaker 6: I want to say our listener has a very healthy perspective.
36:35
Speaker 6: I appreciate that she's not expecting her friend to come
36:38
Speaker 6: up to not being like, she's a tired ass, why can't.
36:40
Speaker 5: We spend sixty billion dollars on dinner late?
36:43
Speaker 6: Because I think we've spoken about this before in the
36:45
Speaker 6: sense that it's okay if you want to travel differently
36:47
Speaker 6: to your friends, like if you want to do it
36:48
Speaker 6: super budget and you just want the experience and you
36:50
Speaker 6: just want to see the place, that is so fine.
36:53
Speaker 6: If you think this is a once in a lifetime
36:55
Speaker 6: trip and I really want to spend money and I
36:57
Speaker 6: want to live it up and I that's a value
36:59
Speaker 6: to me, is also fine. But I think it's not
37:02
Speaker 6: fine to expect people to change to suit you in
37:06
Speaker 6: that sense, Like you can't expect your friend who doesn't
37:08
Speaker 6: have a lot of money to spend a lot And
37:10
Speaker 6: if your friend with who doesn't want to spend a
37:12
Speaker 6: lot of money doesn't necessarily need to expect you to
37:14
Speaker 6: spend not a lot either. Yeah, so I think like
37:17
Speaker 6: her perspective is very healthy. I think literally just say
37:21
Speaker 6: to her what you said to us, Like, I think
37:23
Speaker 6: it's as simple as that, just saying, hey, I think
37:26
Speaker 6: that it looks like we want to spend different amounts,
37:28
Speaker 6: which is totally fine. I really want them to feel
37:30
Speaker 6: like You're not shaming them for, you know, not wanting
37:32
Speaker 6: or having the money to spend, because that's not a
37:34
Speaker 6: good feeling for anybody, but just saying that I really
37:38
Speaker 6: want to live it up. I want to spend a
37:39
Speaker 6: lot of money. It feels like maybe you want to
37:41
Speaker 6: do it more budget friendly. I think maybe we just
37:45
Speaker 6: kind of split off and do the trips the way
37:46
Speaker 6: we want to do the trips, and that's totally fine,
37:49
Speaker 6: and hopefully that's the end of the conversation.
37:51
Speaker 2: I think also, and I obviously not knowing how old
37:54
Speaker 2: this person is, I don't have a good sense of
37:56
Speaker 2: where they are in terms of is this a long friendship?
37:58
Speaker 2: Is is someone you've known your whole life, or someone
38:00
Speaker 2: that you don't feel comfortable having this conversation with because
38:02
Speaker 2: you don't know them as well as you know your
38:04
Speaker 2: oldest friend. It is a really important part of adolt
38:06
Speaker 2: friendships learning to have hard conversations about things. And I
38:09
Speaker 2: say that as someone who has struggled but managed to
38:12
Speaker 2: have some really really difficult conversations with friends about you know,
38:16
Speaker 2: balancing time together when we're in the same city because
38:19
Speaker 2: we don't really live in the same city, and about
38:21
Speaker 2: doing what I want to do rather than making time
38:23
Speaker 2: to do what she'd like to be doing, or that
38:26
Speaker 2: she would like to spend time with me, And I go,
38:27
Speaker 2: she just really want to have the night by myself. Yeah,
38:30
Speaker 2: which you know, pass me would have really struggled. So
38:32
Speaker 2: I definitely relate to this. I agree that you should
38:35
Speaker 2: just have an upfront conversation about the fact that I've
38:38
Speaker 2: saved a really long time. One thing I was thinking
38:40
Speaker 2: as I was listening to this was, is the person
38:43
Speaker 2: who wants to spend less hoping that they're going to
38:45
Speaker 2: spend less still by sharing accommodation sharing, travel sharing through
38:49
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, like, are you impacting that
38:51
Speaker 2: person's ability to go on the trip at all if
38:54
Speaker 2: you don't share, Because if that's the case, that's still
38:57
Speaker 2: a conversation you need to have because maybe it's not
38:59
Speaker 2: your Owsummer to twenty four for them. Yes, because at
39:02
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it is your trip you've
39:05
Speaker 2: saved for, and it's exciting to share something with someone
39:07
Speaker 2: like that. I'd love the idea of going on a
39:09
Speaker 2: trip like that and being able to look back and go,
39:11
Speaker 2: oh my god, look remember when we went to the
39:13
Speaker 2: you know, the trivia fountain. But if you're not traveling
39:17
Speaker 2: as a couple and so you have different ones and
39:19
Speaker 2: you have an agreed that you're going to share accommodation,
39:22
Speaker 2: because for me, that's that's actually a hard no. I
39:25
Speaker 2: really don't like the idea of traveling solo with just
39:28
Speaker 2: one other person and sharing a room because you never
39:30
Speaker 2: have any space. I travel with girlfriends quite regularly, but
39:33
Speaker 2: there's a group of us, there's seven of us, and
39:35
Speaker 2: we'll often look for ways to save money by going, oh,
39:37
Speaker 2: if we share a room or a bed, depending we
39:40
Speaker 2: can save money, and we look at you know, what's
39:42
Speaker 2: going to work better. But on our most recent trip,
39:45
Speaker 2: I was like, sorry, it's hot, we're in brizzy. I
39:48
Speaker 2: actually don't want to share, so sorry, Well, I just
39:52
Speaker 2: know I won't have a good sleep, I won't have
39:53
Speaker 2: a good time trip ruin, what's the point? And it
39:56
Speaker 2: wasn't a hard conversation because we're all really good friends,
39:58
Speaker 2: but also because we had been frank and been talking
40:00
Speaker 2: about the budget upfront, so it wasn't a big deal.
40:03
Speaker 2: But I think for this person having that conversation, first,
40:07
Speaker 2: assessing what's going to be the outcome of this conversation
40:09
Speaker 2: is this person going to be upset because I might
40:10
Speaker 2: have totally ruined their whole plan to go to Europe.
40:13
Speaker 2: If that's the case, and you want to be able
40:15
Speaker 2: to compromise a little bit, maybe you offer to do
40:17
Speaker 2: certain legs of the trip together and then you split
40:20
Speaker 2: off and then you come back. So, for example, that
40:22
Speaker 2: fifteen hours she's gonna be on the train, you'd be
40:23
Speaker 2: there early. Do you think what you want to do
40:25
Speaker 2: and then say and then I will meet you. And
40:27
Speaker 2: so that person might spend one night on their own,
40:30
Speaker 2: in their own accommodation. But then it's like, but then
40:31
Speaker 2: we can go. We could go to a hotel, and
40:34
Speaker 2: so you get what you want, but you compromise will
40:36
Speaker 2: saying I'll share with you, we'll get a twin room,
40:38
Speaker 2: and that person has to just bump up a tiny
40:40
Speaker 2: bit and then you come down a little bit. It
40:42
Speaker 2: is about compromise, but also it's kind of not If
40:44
Speaker 2: you don't want to go with them, maybe just make
40:47
Speaker 2: that choice and think about if the outcome of this
40:49
Speaker 2: conversation is that I lose this friendship over this trip,
40:53
Speaker 2: that's not great. But is that a symptom or is
40:56
Speaker 2: that an indication of a bigger problem that you don't
40:59
Speaker 2: feel like you can communicate you needs with your friend,
41:00
Speaker 2: because then actually that's an issue that's totally separate to
41:03
Speaker 2: your Europe trip. Either way, I hope that it's a
41:06
Speaker 2: really fun trip. I totally relate to being the person
41:08
Speaker 2: that wants to have the more bouge experience, although I
41:11
Speaker 2: am the person with the budget. So anyway, that's a
41:14
Speaker 2: problem for next year when I try to go to
41:16
Speaker 2: Europe on my can money, and so I think definitely,
41:19
Speaker 2: I don't think that this person should compromise on the
41:21
Speaker 2: trip of their dreams. But if they can see their
41:24
Speaker 2: way to going, I can find some middle ground in
41:26
Speaker 2: some parts of it that won't ruin it for me
41:28
Speaker 2: but will help this person have a great time. Then
41:31
Speaker 2: go with that, go with what works. But at the
41:33
Speaker 2: end of the day, this is your dream. Do what
41:35
Speaker 2: you want to do.
41:35
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I was going to say a very very
41:38
Speaker 4: similar thing, but I do. I often get confused by
41:41
Speaker 4: this in like the regular world, where people say girlfriend.
41:44
Speaker 4: I don't know someone with a literal girlfriend. I'm like,
41:47
Speaker 4: are you actually talking about your girlfriend or you' talk
41:49
Speaker 4: about your friend? Because if they're talking about their girlfriend,
41:50
Speaker 4: I'm like this whole thing is like changing my lie,
41:53
Speaker 4: you know. So it could be their girlfriend, in which
41:55
Speaker 4: case I'd be like, you can if you've kind of
41:59
Speaker 4: planned this thing together, it's kind of like being to
42:00
Speaker 4: be a romantic thing. But let's say for the sake
42:03
Speaker 4: of this DM and this conversation, they're just regular friends.
42:07
Speaker 4: My mind is exactly where your mind is at, April,
42:10
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, yeah, like a nice little hybrid or
42:13
Speaker 4: just having this exact conversation with them. I'm a big
42:17
Speaker 4: fan of like thinking or like kind of not reading
42:20
Speaker 4: into but like seeing certain things that could be symptomatic
42:24
Speaker 4: exactly as you said, April, of something bigger. So if
42:26
Speaker 4: it is does seem like it's a conversation that's hard
42:28
Speaker 4: to have or it might literally ruin a friendship, that
42:32
Speaker 4: might be something that you'd have to consider as well.
42:35
Speaker 4: I know it's separate to the travel thing, but if
42:37
Speaker 4: you're planning a trip with someone and you or your
42:40
Speaker 4: friend are not willing to compromise in any way, like
42:42
Speaker 4: you can see that you're both on different journeys and
42:45
Speaker 4: that's totally fine, no one's in the wrong here, then yeah,
42:47
Speaker 4: they might be if you are worried that it'll be uncomfortable, awkward,
42:50
Speaker 4: or someone will be mad or I can definitely see
42:53
Speaker 4: I guess it, like depends you didn't really mention like
42:55
Speaker 4: how long they've been planning it for hay, so.
42:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not having the conversation up front could ruin
42:58
Speaker 2: the trip. So then you've wasted you And.
43:00
Speaker 6: There's nothing worse than being on a trip with someone
43:02
Speaker 6: and just hating your life as well, Like there's nothing worse,
43:05
Speaker 6: especially somewhere as expensive as Europe, that would be awful.
43:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what I would actively discourage is lying
43:10
Speaker 2: to this.
43:10
Speaker 5: Person about it totally, totally.
43:12
Speaker 2: So don't don't suddenly say I've decided I'm not going
43:14
Speaker 2: to go and then secretly go or don't or my
43:17
Speaker 2: sister said she wants to come, so now, like, don't
43:19
Speaker 2: don't do that. Have a frank conversation with this person
43:23
Speaker 2: if you respect them enough to reach out and ask
43:25
Speaker 2: for advice, and you know, if you if you have,
43:28
Speaker 2: I think the opportunity to say to them like I
43:29
Speaker 2: really respect this, and you know, yeah, maybe offering to
43:32
Speaker 2: say I want to do all of this and I
43:34
Speaker 2: know you can only for to do this, I'll meet
43:36
Speaker 2: you in Greece. Yeah, shout you a drink.
43:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. I think that's a great, great, great idea.
43:41
Speaker 2: Oh, so let's all go to Greece. I love going
43:44
Speaker 2: somewhere warm iment Right, So what.
43:46
Speaker 5: Time are we leaving time out? What did everybody else say?
43:49
Speaker 7: Yes?
43:49
Speaker 4: Also, the other thing is your summer is a little
43:51
Speaker 4: while away, so you still have plenty of time to
43:53
Speaker 4: make this not uncomfortable. Okay, So let's see what the
43:56
Speaker 4: community had to say. So the first question we asked
43:59
Speaker 4: was if you had a similar experience when traveling with
44:01
Speaker 4: a friend. Forty six percent of you said yes, and
44:04
Speaker 4: fifty four percent of you said no. It's a pretty
44:07
Speaker 4: close split. It's a pretty good split. Next question we asked,
44:10
Speaker 4: if yes, what ended up happening. Twenty six percent of
44:14
Speaker 4: you said, we traveled together and it was a disaster.
44:17
Speaker 2: So many people to have a terrible time.
44:19
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a real shame.
44:21
Speaker 4: Fifty four percent of you said we both compromised to
44:23
Speaker 4: make the trip work, and twenty one percent of you
44:26
Speaker 4: said we decided it was best we don't go together.
44:30
Speaker 2: That's interesting and I think I'd be keen to find
44:32
Speaker 2: out from the fifty four percent.
44:33
Speaker 5: And how did that?
44:34
Speaker 2: God, did you secretly feel yourself in the twenty six percent.
44:38
Speaker 2: You know, I think it would be really interesting to
44:40
Speaker 2: know that. But I think that's a really good indication
44:43
Speaker 2: of what we've just said in the three viewpoints that
44:44
Speaker 2: we've kind of had it, which is you should try
44:46
Speaker 2: to maybe compromise a little bit, but not too much.
44:48
Speaker 4: So yes, exactly exactly. And the next thing we asked was,
44:52
Speaker 4: if you were traveling with a friend, what's the first
44:54
Speaker 4: thing you would decide on. Fifty eight percent of you
44:57
Speaker 4: said budget, and then pick location based off of that,
45:00
Speaker 4: and forty two percent of you said location, talk budget
45:04
Speaker 4: later on, which is interesting, chicken or egg?
45:08
Speaker 1: Egg?
45:08
Speaker 5: Exactly what would you do? What would you think?
45:10
Speaker 2: I actually answered this question, and I'm a budget first. Yeah,
45:14
Speaker 2: but I learned that lesson the hard way by making plans,
45:17
Speaker 2: not specifically trouble plans, but in the past, making a
45:19
Speaker 2: plan that was all about what I wanted to happen
45:21
Speaker 2: at the end, and then reverse engineering a budget and
45:24
Speaker 2: realizing I didn't happen of money. Yeah, And so I
45:28
Speaker 2: think that I've learned the lesson now that talk budget,
45:31
Speaker 2: because you immediately know whether you're traveling five kilometers fifty
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Speaker 2: kmeters a five thousand clocks.
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Speaker 5: Totally, totally, I absolutely agree with that.
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Speaker 4: It's like saying, let's go to Gimlet, which is a
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Speaker 4: very expensive restaurant here in Melbourne for those who don't know,
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Speaker 4: but only having twenty dollars on your person.
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Speaker 2: And this kind of reminds me of that TikTok I
45:47
Speaker 2: saw a few months back where that guy was saying
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Speaker 2: he wanted to go to a friend's birthday thing and
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Speaker 2: they were doing dinner then drinks, and he didn't want
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Speaker 2: to go to the dinner because the entree was like
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Speaker 2: forty dollars, so he said he'd agree and meet for drinks,
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Speaker 2: and apparently it caused a big blow up with him
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Speaker 2: and his friend. And so I'm kind of like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I I aspire to be the person that only comes
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Speaker 2: to drinks and doesn't spend forty dollars on it on trade,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, I can't help myself because I get fomo,
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I definitely think that talking about like
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Speaker 2: comparing restaurants and other types of experiences, what's the compromise.
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Speaker 2: This person thought they were doing a great job of
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Speaker 2: compromising by saying I'll just come for drinks, but sometimes
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Speaker 2: that can cause an issue to having a conversation is
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Speaker 2: the only answer. Yeah, we got another question.
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Speaker 4: Well then we asked for your two cents. So someone
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Speaker 4: said I would send this message to the girlfriend. She's understanding,
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Speaker 4: she will understand, which I totally agree. And that's what
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Speaker 4: you were saying, Jess, like basically say everything you said
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Speaker 4: to us, but to her.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, see how that goes down. Someone else said, be
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Speaker 5: straight up.
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Speaker 4: They might be embarrassed otherwise, which I can understand definitely,
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Speaker 4: Like if you're like, you know, your budget is a
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Speaker 4: bit low, it might come across as like maybe you're
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Speaker 4: being shamed because you just don't have to travel, which
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Speaker 4: it is definitely like a delicate one because having been there,
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Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, maybe the people in
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Speaker 4: this room as well, have been in a situation where
46:53
Speaker 4: you can't really afford things and you kind of feel
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Speaker 4: you shame yourself first, and to have that someone else
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Speaker 4: kind of come and say, hey, Bee, because you can't
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Speaker 4: afford X y Z, I don't want to do this
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Speaker 4: with you, it can be you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe the approach is I'm worried that, like,
47:09
Speaker 2: you know, I think if you want to expand a
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Speaker 2: little bit on the part where they said they're worried
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Speaker 2: about this certain thing, use an actual experience. I'm worried
47:15
Speaker 2: that we might go to dinner and then I'm going
47:17
Speaker 2: to order a big meal and you you're not gonna
47:18
Speaker 2: want to order anything. You're gonna order something small. I
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Speaker 2: don't want you to have a bad time, but I
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Speaker 2: really don't want to have to not have something nice
47:24
Speaker 2: because I've saved for a really long time to have this.
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Speaker 2: So what I want to figure out with you is
47:28
Speaker 2: how can we maybe plan the trip that means that
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Speaker 2: I can still do all the boogie things I want
47:31
Speaker 2: to do, and that maybe we meet up at the end, Like,
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Speaker 2: I think, have a plan of what you think might work,
47:36
Speaker 2: because if you have a sense of this person's budget,
47:37
Speaker 2: you might actually know, and if you've also got an
47:39
Speaker 2: itinery kind of half cooked, you might know where you're
47:42
Speaker 2: planning to be and what places they're Like, I really
47:44
Speaker 2: want to go to Prague, but I don't really care
47:45
Speaker 2: about going to insert the name of another European country.
47:48
Speaker 2: I mean in Europe. Can't tell. And I think that
47:51
Speaker 2: I think actually come up with a solution. Yeah, don't
47:53
Speaker 2: go with I don't want to I think be clear
47:56
Speaker 2: about what you do want and then what you think
47:58
Speaker 2: the solution might be. Because you've identified issue very corporatives.
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Speaker 4: Someone else said, don't did your friend find the compromise?
48:07
Speaker 4: Hostiles are an amazing way to meet people. That is
48:09
Speaker 4: so true, But some people.
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Speaker 5: I would not do a hofestyle. That's it. I personally
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Speaker 5: I love a hostel.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go together one day you can experience that.
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Speaker 6: I just it's a safe like I know that many Actually,
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Speaker 6: when I went to the UK with f D, we
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Speaker 6: stayed in a hostel.
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Speaker 5: We had a private room because it was five of us.
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Speaker 5: So like that I'm fine with.
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Speaker 6: But I just I get very scared when I don't
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Speaker 6: know people and say, like a hostel for me, it doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Worry, whereas you can imagine, I'd just be rolling in
48:34
Speaker 2: hot and like everyone, I would run the hostel by
48:37
Speaker 2: the time.
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Speaker 4: And then lastly, someone else said, it's the girlfriend. I'd compromise,
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Speaker 4: do a bit of both, or stay longer and do
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Speaker 4: your stuff when they're gone, which I think is exactly
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Speaker 4: what you're saying, April, and just really honestly, just be open, honest,
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Speaker 4: try and find a way to work around it, maybe
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Speaker 4: create a hybrid of both holiday ideas and everyone will
48:54
Speaker 4: have a lovely time. But just make sure you all
48:56
Speaker 4: have fun and everything is open.
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Speaker 5: Honest end, what are we.
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Speaker 2: Talking about now? I mean these still.
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Speaker 5: Apply, still apply everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Make sure there's after care and informed consent for your
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Speaker 2: own trips to inform consent exactly, enthusiastic consent, ideally.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a really good place to leave it.
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much April for joining us.
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Speaker 5: I had so much fun. Yes, And if we want
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Speaker 5: to find you, where can they find you?
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Speaker 2: I am at the Mozilla on Instagram and I guess
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Speaker 2: if you find me there, you can find me anywhere.
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Speaker 4: Incredible, amazing. All right, Victoria will see you guys on
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Speaker 4: Monday for a money diary. Until then, have a lovely weekend.
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Speaker 5: See you later. Bye.
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