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living out of my truck ft. an insanely special guest · Top Five

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  Speaker 1: Hello, all right, episode thirty seven of the Top Five podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I have a very special guest today, but I'll get that.
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  Speaker 1: Get to that in a second. I like to remind everyone,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, excuse me, pardon me. I like to remind
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  Speaker 1: everyone that each week we pick five things that we
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  Speaker 1: love and one thing that made us cry, crash out,
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  Speaker 1: or that we hate. And I'm typically sitting across from
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  Speaker 1: my co host Jason Brown, but he's decided to take
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  Speaker 1: the entire month of February off. He went to Turks
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  Speaker 1: and Jakos and then he got a new knee. So
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  Speaker 1: I have not seen that man in years. There are
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  Speaker 1: rumors that he may want a podcast next week, but
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  Speaker 1: we shall see. And in the meantime, I've decided to
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  Speaker 1: have on women that inspire me. That's my little game
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  Speaker 1: plan with this, and today I have on one of
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  Speaker 1: my best friends, but not because she's one of my
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  Speaker 1: best friends.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Ali, Hi, this is so exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You always tried to force me to have a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and I always was very resistant.
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  Speaker 2: It's made sense forever. I mean even in KOLLEGI were
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  Speaker 2: the question master, just always interested in everybody's life, and
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  Speaker 2: you had the most just like you're it's easy to
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  Speaker 2: get deep with you so quick.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, thank you. I think some people wish
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  Speaker 3: that I wouldn't go so deep, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like everybody has a podcast, which is which
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  Speaker 1: is true, and I felt like if I was ever
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  Speaker 1: going to do something, I wanted it to feel like because,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, I talk for work and then I
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  Speaker 1: talk in my spare time as well, and so I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I have to do something that I enjoy and that's fun.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Jason like brings out and just people
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  Speaker 1: that I love bring out like the best in me,
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  Speaker 1: and so it was very easy and I liked the
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  Speaker 1: I always say things are in my tough five, So
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  Speaker 1: I felt like that would be a concept that would
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  Speaker 1: be easy and maybe a little different to do.
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  Speaker 2: You guys are so interesting to listen too, just being
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  Speaker 2: a fly on the wall and seeing where the conversation goes.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at our ratings on Apple Podcasts yesterday. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know we had ratings, but people said really nice
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  Speaker 1: stuff on there, like that they felt like they were hanging.
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  Speaker 3: Out with their friends. So I thought that was really nice.
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  Speaker 3: I was fully expecting.
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  Speaker 1: People to be like, what the hell is this or
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  Speaker 1: no ratings, because I think they have three listeners.
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  Speaker 3: I think two of them are my friends. But I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to have you on.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I said not because you're my best friend,
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  Speaker 1: is because I think that putting that aside, there's some
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  Speaker 1: things that you've done and I think I want other
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  Speaker 1: people to hear about because I think they're They're very
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  Speaker 1: inspiring and kind of like dream things to do for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people. And I think the theme with
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  Speaker 1: you when I was thinking about it is you.
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  Speaker 3: Just like do it, like you just do the thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people and I know
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  Speaker 1: you're probably say that because you have a hard time
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  Speaker 1: with decisions making, but there are things that like people
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  Speaker 1: would dream of doing, and like you do them and
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  Speaker 1: they're very scary things, but you commit and you do
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  Speaker 1: the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that that's the theme today.
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  Speaker 2: When I do make a decision, sometimes I don't think
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  Speaker 2: through things enough and I just do it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably why you've done so many of
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  Speaker 1: the amazing things. I think sometimes people think too much
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  Speaker 1: and fear gets in the way.
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  Speaker 3: And two of the things I want to talk about with.
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  Speaker 1: You are really scary for a lot of people, and
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  Speaker 1: so that's why I wanted to talk to you about it,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, if one person hears this and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, but we can swear by the way and
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  Speaker 1: they're like fuck it, I want to X, Y or Z,
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  Speaker 1: then I think that's amazing. So I have been asking
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  Speaker 1: people that I know when I'm interviewing them if they
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  Speaker 1: would like to say how we know each other or
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  Speaker 1: do you want me to say?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like you would have a better memory.
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  Speaker 2: You're the keeper for those of your listeners that don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You're the keeper of all of our friends' memories. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's crazy. You remember every detail about everything things. So
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  Speaker 2: like if we are ever confused about what happened in
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  Speaker 2: the past, we come to you. So we met through
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  Speaker 2: our sorority, but I could not tell you the first
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  Speaker 2: day that we hung out, except for like I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be your friend. I wanted to hang out with
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  Speaker 2: the other girls that were, well they're now our friend group,
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  Speaker 2: but they had already been your friend group since I
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  Speaker 2: joined later.
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  Speaker 1: What like thinking about the fact that we were in
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  Speaker 1: a sorority at all kind of is hard for me
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  Speaker 1: to grasp, like I think that it has to be
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  Speaker 1: some like higher thing purpose or something because our group
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  Speaker 1: of friends, like whenever we talk about it in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, ah, I may.
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  Speaker 3: Look like a sorority girl, but I really.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think that. I would say I am one, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think really any of us are now. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's really that we all just like
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  Speaker 1: randomly decided to do this thing that was like completely
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  Speaker 1: out of our character.
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  Speaker 3: And that is kind of like laughable if you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like crazy to think about some of
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  Speaker 1: the rules and the things we did.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we almost all gid. Yes, I was gonna
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  Speaker 2: say kicked out, but like not for doing bad things
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  Speaker 2: like I never attended chapter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, You're fine. We like staged
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  Speaker 1: a coup, I think, and we're just like if.
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  Speaker 3: You want our money and want us, then we are
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  Speaker 3: going to do what we want. But yeah, you I remember,
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  Speaker 3: I mean we grew up in similar.
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  Speaker 1: Areas and we had like mutual friends and later we
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  Speaker 1: found out that we had a connection of you knew
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  Speaker 1: my dad's girlfriend at the times daughter, and like there
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  Speaker 1: is just like little things along the way.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you rushed a year after me.
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  Speaker 1: But you're and people make fun of me when I
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  Speaker 1: say this, but you're a grade older than me. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why I still talking to you because we're
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  Speaker 1: not in school, although we.
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  Speaker 3: Look like we are. Yeah, and so you run.
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  Speaker 1: So I you're saying it was a good first impression,
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  Speaker 1: but I wasn't really because of me.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. You were probably just like kind of maybe
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  Speaker 2: getting wild and like dancing or something, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to be friends with her. Yeah, I yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was like the whiskey. Probably the only person
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  Speaker 2: at the party drinking whiskey and everybody else was drinking
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  Speaker 2: bad cut burnetts, and I was like, who's that girl?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? That was my favorite movement of college is when
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  Speaker 1: I got all these like sorority girls. I convinced them
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  Speaker 1: that it was less calories and so everyone was drinking
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  Speaker 1: brown liquor, which it probably isn't true, but I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, we can't with the flavored burnetts anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It was way better.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you what was your major in college? Tell
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  Speaker 1: the class.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, it's embarrassing, No, it is not. Well. I studied
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  Speaker 2: accounting with the specialization information systems.
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  Speaker 3: You're smart is basically what that means and tells me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I think I just got good grades in it,
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  Speaker 2: so I was like, this is what I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 2: study because my grades were good?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is that what led you there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? That was the only thing, and I would not
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  Speaker 2: do that again, you know, just if I was interested
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  Speaker 2: in something, I wish I would have pursued that instead.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like I was raised in a way
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  Speaker 2: that it was very focused on, like finding a job
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  Speaker 2: that you could always have a job and that would
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  Speaker 2: make consistent money. And I definitely regret doing that. You do, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think that you would have chosen as
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  Speaker 1: your major if you didn't do that?
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  Speaker 2: I like, it would be really cool to do. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I've always loved taking photos and editing them, so like
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  Speaker 2: some type of editing and either that or like marketing online,
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  Speaker 2: like design marketing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I could see that for sure. I okay.
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  Speaker 1: So so that was college and you graduated, and then
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  Speaker 1: you worked for a big it would be called a firm, right, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to say what Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You were for a big company that like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of us have heard of.
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  Speaker 1: And you would joke tell my stepdad shoutout.
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  Speaker 2: Sean.
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  Speaker 1: Vonne would jokingly tell everyone when they asked what you did,
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  Speaker 1: I just copy and paste all day, which I hated
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  Speaker 1: for you because I knew you did more than copy
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  Speaker 1: and pasting all day. But I remember like choosing my
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  Speaker 1: career path, and like you talk about, like people told
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  Speaker 1: me the same thing. Like my aunt was like, you
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  Speaker 1: can't go into that, like there's no money, like that's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, well that's aren't you supposed to
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  Speaker 1: tell me to go after my dreams? But anyways, so
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  Speaker 1: I was like trying to like do this crazy career.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember it was like I was making minimum wage.
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  Speaker 1: I had to live at home, and like was not.
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  Speaker 1: It was just it was very tough. And a lot
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  Speaker 1: of our friends, you know, they went into like yourself
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  Speaker 1: went to Corporate America, and like I looked at you
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  Speaker 1: guys having like the benefits. I remember during COVID, like
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  Speaker 1: your your company gave you like a peloton or something,
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  Speaker 1: and I like couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine working for these.
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  Speaker 1: I remember, like I couldn't imagine my work giving me
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  Speaker 1: a peloton like I did.
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  Speaker 2: We got like a big expense to spend like a
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  Speaker 2: certain amount of money on like a fitness equipment. Equipment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I just I will always stick with me
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  Speaker 1: my memory because I was like, okay, I can't. And
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  Speaker 1: it was hard because I well, I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going into something that I love while I'm there,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to be able to like go on
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  Speaker 1: these trips with my friends and like have a fucking
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  Speaker 1: health benefits and like a four to oh one k.
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  Speaker 3: I was just like what the hell.
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  Speaker 1: So it was like very different paths, and I tried
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  Speaker 1: to focus on Okay, like while you're at work, you
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  Speaker 1: really enjoy it and so hopefully something will come from that.
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  Speaker 3: But it was it was difficult to see that.
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  Speaker 1: But then meanwhile we were having, you know, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of conversations and you can speak on this about how
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  Speaker 1: you just you were not fulfilled in what you were doing.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. So I did technology consulting for the
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  Speaker 2: public sector. I mean, I don't really think the industry matters.
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  Speaker 2: Although public sector was just a little bit depressing because
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  Speaker 2: you're recommending a bunch of projects that whether they're technology
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  Speaker 2: or like organization, they're usually these organizations are having issues
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  Speaker 2: that can't be solved with the amount of budget that
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  Speaker 2: they have or the amount of staff that they have,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just really sad to see the state
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  Speaker 2: of some of these organizations and just like knowing that
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  Speaker 2: even though they were spending so much money on this project,
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  Speaker 2: they probably wouldn't even be able to or like have
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  Speaker 2: the right staff to be able to execute some of
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  Speaker 2: the projects that we were recommending. But aside from that,
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  Speaker 2: like I definitely in the cases that something came out
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  Speaker 2: of the project, I think that was rewarding, But it
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  Speaker 2: was really hard to travel sixty percent of the time
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  Speaker 2: in a mail led company Aside from like some of
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  Speaker 2: the weird things that happened from that, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: not being promoted at the same time as people that
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  Speaker 2: were hired after me, even though like I had accomplished
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  Speaker 2: the years, thinking of specifically I had gotten my project
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  Speaker 2: management certification. That was really like I was really pressured
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  Speaker 2: to do that, and the person that got promoted hadn't
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  Speaker 2: done that, So it was just like conflicting goals. It
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  Speaker 2: was hard to see a future where I was going
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  Speaker 2: to be treated equally and then just traveling a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and on top of like not feeling fulfilled. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's yeah. Oh did we even get to the point
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  Speaker 2: where I decided to leave?
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  Speaker 1: We're not there yet, But I it's so interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at you traveling, going like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: like a job that would pay for me to travel,
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  Speaker 1: but like, you know, I think it's a good thing
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  Speaker 1: on perspective, and it's a good thing on you know,
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  Speaker 1: not making yourself like a big thing I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: do is like not make myself the victim in any situation.
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's easy to do that and
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  Speaker 1: like easy to look at other things. And so it's
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  Speaker 1: just interesting, like the two different you know, how you
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  Speaker 1: were feeling, what kinds of other things?
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  Speaker 2: Ye?
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  Speaker 3: Did the men do what they do?
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  Speaker 2: I guess? Like quickly going back to the travel, it
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  Speaker 2: was fun for like the first I traveled for like
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  Speaker 2: eight years before it wasn't fun the entire time, Like
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  Speaker 2: it was fun like right out of college going spending
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  Speaker 2: like over half a year in California. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that was really awesome, just like being able to see
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  Speaker 2: some of our friends so they wouldn't have seen otherwise.
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  Speaker 2: So that got me through for a while. I just
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  Speaker 2: like I had a weird situation, you know, like it's
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  Speaker 2: just like the sometimes it was the look that you
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  Speaker 2: would be given when you come into a room, like
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  Speaker 2: dressed up nicely, just like you can tell their intentions
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  Speaker 2: from how they're looking at you. Also, there was one
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  Speaker 2: night where we would go out like for team dinners
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and I remember where we were living together
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  Speaker 2: in Chicago at the time, and we were just like
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  Speaker 2: having a glass of wine and one of the guys
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  Speaker 2: who was a partner also I think he got fired
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  Speaker 2: for this, but like they really hit it under their rug,
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  Speaker 2: not for this incident specifically, but like things that happened
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  Speaker 2: with other people because I didn't even think about reporting
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  Speaker 2: it because I was just like, it's not going to
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  Speaker 2: do anything because he was so high up that like
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  Speaker 2: I was like, there's no point of like starting this
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  Speaker 2: opening this scan of words. And he had texted me
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  Speaker 2: when I left and was like, let me know if
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  Speaker 2: I should stay until the morning. And I was like what,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's he was in from out of town. That
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  Speaker 2: we did not have this type of relationship. He wasn't
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  Speaker 2: my direct like I wasn't reporting to him. So that
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  Speaker 2: was really just like uncomfortable, like we hadn't ever really
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  Speaker 2: talked outside of like these types of things. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I found that really straight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah obviously, Uh yeah, God, I can't imagine that's it
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  Speaker 1: really is every industry, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, going back now, I would have handled
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  Speaker 2: that so differently. I just like, you know, not actually
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  Speaker 2: like getting mad about it.
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  Speaker 1: Telling my you know, I have some gen zs in
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  Speaker 1: my life and and I just recently had the epiphany
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  Speaker 1: of like how much specifically and listen, women before us
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  Speaker 1: had it very bad. But I kind of blocked out
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that was like that we were
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  Speaker 1: we were around even in middle school, the stuff guys
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  Speaker 1: would do to us, like pulling our pants down, like
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  Speaker 1: snapping our songs, and like didn't I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that it was an option to not giggle
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  Speaker 1: and like be okay with that. And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to convey that to like I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad it's not as prominent anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad the conversation is open. But like, if we really.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about the stuff that was done to us in
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  Speaker 1: like middle school and high school and college and then
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  Speaker 1: was trained, I mean, I'm not naming names, but like
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  Speaker 1: literally like people would put girls naked photos up on
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  Speaker 1: projector screens like for their friends, Like it was just
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  Speaker 1: and I really think that that then led to a
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  Speaker 1: workplace situation where it's not an op, Like you don't
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  Speaker 1: think that reporting it or or singing something will ever
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  Speaker 1: lead to anything good or in some cases, like I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even think of that as an option, which is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah crazy, Uh yeah, it's the examples you mentioned obviously
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  Speaker 2: a while, Like we know what happened in college because
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  Speaker 2: like it would happen a bunch of our friends had
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  Speaker 2: been through that, whether it's like projecting pictures or like
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  Speaker 2: emailing a file of pictures the entire frat. And then
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  Speaker 2: also in middle school, I had the same situation happened
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  Speaker 2: somebody pulled down my pants and I actually like looked
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  Speaker 2: up this kid a few months ago randomly maybe it
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  Speaker 2: was just in the summer, and he was like arrested
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  Speaker 2: for like, uh, I don't know, some sex offender stuff,
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  Speaker 2: like he's in jail cross the area.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I go crazy, Like boys would like grab
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  Speaker 4: our hands on the bus and like put them on
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  Speaker 4: their hard boners and we would just like I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I just like I really blacked all that out and
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  Speaker 4: like I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Good, listen, like no one feels sorry for me, but
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  Speaker 1: I just also at the same time, it's kind of mind.
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  Speaker 2: Blowing insane, like it doesn't feel like it was that
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  Speaker 2: long ago that these things were happening, if that makes sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully they're not anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's definitely poat there's sharing of the photos.
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  Speaker 1: I think online makes it worse too. I mean, thinking
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  Speaker 1: about emailing nudes right now is funny compared to like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure like the way that nudes get circulated. I
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: just think that girls know so at least there's like
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a conversation about like I don't have to take this
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: or you know, I really thought like no one was
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: gonna like me if I like stood up to a guy,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: or they were gonna call me a bitch, and that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: for me, as the people pleaser.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Was like the worst thing that could have ever happened,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: is like I would lose.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Like the fucking stupid ass male gaze, which I now
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, literally, don't look at me, I'll cut you.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Please, don't like don't ever, just don't talk to me.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't know it's just I recently had that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: epiphany of like, wow, I really wish I could hug
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: all of us at that time and be like, bitch,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you don't have to take this share your stories with
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: your friends, and you know, like they're it's all like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, the jig is up.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, I think that's what it comes
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: down to, is like sharing with friends. I think we
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: were all so embarrassed, and I do feel like the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: younger generations are doing a better job at that, like,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and I think that's a lot of times what it
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: comes down to, because you know your friends have your
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: back and that's really what's important.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a whole other thing with AI and
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: then they're making girls look like they're naked when they
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: were I mean it's it's horrible, but it's yeah, it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but like I'm just glad that, like now there's more
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: of an open conversation to talk about. Another one of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: our invisible strings, which like I feel like we've had
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: them along the way, is that you are now married
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to someone I went to high school with who was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: very good friends with my best friends older brother and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: would like apparently be at the house when I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: at the house, but like we were trying to well
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: made wine and I don't they were gaming or something.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: But like that is a crazy yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: And so while we're living together, like you mentioned in Chicago,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: which if you can make it through living with a
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: friend and you're still friends afterwards, I think that that's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the biggest flex of all time. Not that I was
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: worried about it, but it's like there were really no issues.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm seeing my end and that's a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, not at all. Andrew took me
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in when one of my roommates kicked me out.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was it was nothing.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: You can always you can always come live with me whenever,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: even if you're even if your husband's gett annoying. You
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: just bring my nephew and you can live with me
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: again whenever you need.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: But you met him while we were living together, I
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: think if I remember correctly.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And the first thing that I really wanted to highlight
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that you did is you were together when the world
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: shut down for COVID. You guys were like, fuck the shit.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: You guys bought a pickup truck.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: You guys literally were like, I'm going to travel the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: country and see everything and live in all the places
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like I've wanted to try out, live places I have friends,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: live places I've dreamed of staying.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hid all the things.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the coolest things that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: anyone's ever done ever. Can you tell me how you
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: guys like came to that decision and like what led there?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Because I was like, wow.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually gets so crazy to think about because
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like a real life when I like
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: reflect on it now. And also I think at least
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: one day a week, I'm like, let's just go, Let's
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: get rid of the house, let's take the baby, let's go.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: It was actually a little bit before COVID, which worked
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: in our favor as far as like getting things rolling
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and like having the car. But he we were trying
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to we both wanted to leave Chicago. We'd been there
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: for a number of years, and he had asked me
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: one night, like, if I wanted to leave Chicago, where
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: would I go? And my mind always went straight to California,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: and his answer when I asked him, he was kind
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of like everywhere, Like I would go everywhere and I know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it's a nice answer. And basically I was like, oh, like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: explain to me what you're thinking for real, because usually
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't like say things as a joke like that. Like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: he had some sort of like a plan in mind
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and basically like laid out that we would like to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: spend a few months in a bunch of different cities
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that were either like a fun city or like close
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: enough to a national park to go visit on the weekends,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: or like Pike after work. And I had asked my
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: job at the time and they were okay with it,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and yeah, we basically based on the time of year,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: so we left in October. We planned our route so
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that like we were in warm places when we could
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: hike there, if that makes sense, Like we wanted to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: be in Montana in July, June and July so that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: there was enough snow melted so we could do hikes
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and back to San Diego the next winter so that
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it was wherever it was cold, it was at least
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like warmer there. And yeah, so we took a lot
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of like planning. We stayed in long term airbnbs, which
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: was awesome for having a short term lease. We only
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: took what could fit in the truck. We lived in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: eleven different houses and it was like a little over
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: two years total. We visited twenty five national parks I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: can't name them for you on demand, And yeah, it
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: was so crazy to think about, Like I really wish
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I would have done a better job like taking videos
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and like documenting, because I think it was something that
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: people online could have resonated with. I was just too busy,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: like looking at the mountains and I think that's okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it sucks you don't know that, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the whole fucking point. And like
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the I think people don't really like the taking only
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the things that can fit in the car, Like that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: would be like our signs are opposite, and like that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: would be my biggest like where are all my where's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: my stuff?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Where's my home base?
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Like I don't I got you know, and you it
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was so amazing, like you were like I don't I want.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: To see this shit, I don't care what I'm I mean,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: you still.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Looked adorable, because you look adorable and everything, but it
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: was like you had to really decide, like what do
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I need to lit like and not need to lug around,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I think that that's a feat in itself.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of our stuff was like like
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: we brought like our own comforter and she's obviously for
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: sing in airbnbas. We probably like our own hands and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like water filters and I mean only one water filter.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But then there was like the camping stuff, so it
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of clothes. I think I was renting
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: at the time, and like I did when I stopped home,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I would like switch switch things, so like if I
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: came home for like our family Halloween party, I would
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: switch out some stuff, which was nice.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I talked about newly on this
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: podcast because you got me into it, and I was like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like not sure at first.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Now I'm like, I don't know if I can picture
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: With Yeah, it's really so helpful. I agree, this is
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: a rental.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: How many, oh cut, how many pairs of underwear did
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you bring? Because that would also be a really big
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: concern for me.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, all of them, for sure, but yeah, but sometimes honestly, because.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I forgot, sometimes we free ball.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: What were some of the Okay, so logistically you planned
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it out and you there actually was a planet.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: It wasn't just like I'm free, you know.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It was yes, along, dependent.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Dependent, and then what we're like, tell me all the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: highlights like or the things that you loved and the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: things you didn't love.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I think one of this one always comes to me
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: didn't love. Well, I learned from it. It was a learning experience.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But we we went to one of the darkest places
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: in the country. Our first stop was Texas. We stayed
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: in Austin, and we were really excited. Big Bend National
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Park was the first park that we were going to,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and it's also one of the darkest places in the country.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: We went to Marfa on the way, so Marfa and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Big Bend are about eight hours seven eight hours from Austin,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and I didn't We went there, got out in the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: middle of the night of our tent, excited to see
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: the stars, and we didn't know that if there is
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a full moon, you basically can't see any stars because
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the moon's so bright. So that was definitely a learning
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: experience like this was. I mean, going for the night
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: sky was a big reason we were going. And I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: don't think we knew at the time that it needs
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to be like a new moon so you can have
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: really good stars, so there was lots of like learning
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: experiences that were really interesting. That was something that I regretted,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: but I hope to go back there someday and right
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that wrong. No, it was really amazing. There were so
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: many parks that just are so different from each other,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and I do think it's really hard to visit them
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: all individually without you know, if you're flying places you
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: don't have your cars, you're renting a car, you're flying
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: with gear, and it was really great to be able
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: to have our car and bring what we needed. I'll
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: just go through some of my favorite parks, although it
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: does change daily, but not daily. You know, Olympic is
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: amazing because it's there's two rainforests there. They're the only
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: rainforests in out of like Canada, the US and Mexico
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and everything is like super yeah, the whole rainforest and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Quinault's I hope I'm saying that right. One of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: nights we camped on the beach, you could hope it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: h o h. One of the nights we camped on
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the beach. It's a part of like the Indian Reservation
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: on the north end of like Oh, so if you're
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: looking at Washington State. Like the top corner top left
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: corner is where Olympic National Park is. There's a few
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: reservations that are on the land or like wich is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: outside the land of the National Park, and you can
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: actually camp on the beaches and you get a permit
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: from the reservation office. I don't know if what the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: technical name is, but you bring all your stuff out
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: there and you can camp on the beach overnight. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: that was really cool to see like the differences in
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the waves that high tide and low tide, and see
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: all the creatures at low tide, like tons of starfish
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and green things. I don't know what they're called. That
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was cool and just like such a unique place being
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in the mossy land. Also, during one of those hikes,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: we came across this like old man who was hiking
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: with like seven lamas I think they were lamas. Oh yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and they had like a bunch of bags of stuff.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It was a really strange We're like, where are you
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: coming from? Like yeah, he said, an enchanted valley. That
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: was his response when we were like where are you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: coming from? Even real or like I have a picture
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of him about my Instagram. Oh you do.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say, like maybe it was not
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: like maybe he was never even real.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Man, I would believe that though, like that could happen
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to me. And then Glacier National Park, Montana insane. The
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: rocks there are like turquoaise and purple, so when you're
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: like hiking and you're looking at the ground, it's just
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: like turquoise and purple. It's just such an incredible place.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel real real. They call it the Crown
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of the Continent, so cool, it's our little crown. We
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: also went up to Vamp then because it's really close
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to Montana. It was only like a seven hour drive
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: from where we were staying in Montana.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, okay, I yeah, I want to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: go there. But I heard it's just that one photo.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Is that real?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: There's actually, uh that's so funny because there's like a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: few places in vamp Yeah, like that's not true, but
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: like it's not I get where that's coming from, because
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: there are a few places in vamp but they're all
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: photos you've seen. There's like a lot of like tourists
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: tourism there, so like lots of buses, like buses of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: people pulling up to these like main trails, but there's
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: parks around there, and like more nature is not the word.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I was looking for more remote places around there that
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you can travel to or hike around. Canyon Lands in Utah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I love it there because it feels like when you're camping,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you're like you can camp within like these big red
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: rock walls and be near rivers, and I always felt
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: like we were on a different planet and just like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the only people on the planet when we were there
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: or wherever we're camping. Canyon Lands in Utah. Yeah, it's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: right next to Arches, so like that's a lot of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: people go to Arches, and then canyon Lands is more
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: of like it's just a lot of space. Arches is
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: pretty condensed, and like you really have to like be
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: ready to like get into it if you're going to
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Canyonlands and camping out in the wilderness. I love.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm learning so much. Like I don't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: feel like I even asked you this, like in our
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: real lives, like I did. I'm sure like I feel
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: like I'm learning.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're gonna go.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I mean I want to go.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I love the nature for me, it's just my sleep
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: is an issue. So sometimes I'm like, but I mean,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: fuck it, you know at.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: This point, Yeah, yeah, you don't need that much.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: No, No, if you if somebody's like a.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Beginner and wanted to like dip their toe into like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the camping park life, is there one that's easier or
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: more accessible that you would recommend to start with.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Definitely, that's such a good question. Definitely. Yosemite was the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: first park that we went to in California. It's a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: few hour drive from San Francisco. I think I've gone there.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You may it's closer to fly into, like San Jose,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: or there's another airport that's close too, and to drive
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: from there. It's nice because you can drive into the
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: valley and still have like the incredible view of the mountains,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: but so like you can just like walk around in
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the valley and there's a lot of camping options there.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Titan's Yellowstone, there's tons of like hotel options and also
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like little cabins to rent. Those are actually probably the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: easiest flying into Jackson Hole, I mean, all three of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: those also, I would say our favorites, but.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and they all probably have like
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: good things.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: My mom's favorite story about me is she took me
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: to see Old Faithful and she was hyping it up
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: so much and then like we watched it once and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's it, Like that's what you took me, Like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: this is what you wanted me to see.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't have a filter, still don't, but she always
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: loves to tell his story.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: No. I love that story because even now when people
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: go Togetherowstone and tell them like not to bother with
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Old Faithful. So, like you were onto something, I was like.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: What, like why what cool? Wow? Water, like it's really hot.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Sick, let's go yeah, like there's so much cooler stuff there,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: like the rainbow ponds and like that. That's just like
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: where all of the like just now, I don't want
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: to use the term basic, like the average tourist goes there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So you're standing around this hole with like seven hundred
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: people waiting for it to like do it's like a little.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Eruption, yeah, a little eruption. Yeah on yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: It's not that little.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But so your work was cool with you doing this,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: which is so amazing and also something I was like wow,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And then what did remind me? What Spencer did? Because
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: he was working in logistics? Did he he just like
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: picked up jobs online somehow?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: How is that how he was working?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he basically decided he was going to start his
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: own sales consulting firm, and he used the site up
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: work to like start getting clients and that like back then.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Well I don't know if it's like really any different now,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: but you would like have a profile with like a
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: portfolio of your work or the types of work you
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: have done, and people can invite you to apply for jobs.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: You could also apply yourself for like a job posting
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and they're all like contract jobs. And that was really
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: how he got the company started. And now all of
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: his clients come to him organically, like from his website
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: or like references, which is cool that he doesn't have
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to do that anymore.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to like highlight that for people
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: who are like, well I can't do this X, Y
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or Z, Like I feel like we were so.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Scared and we make almost like excuses for ourselves.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: But I feel like you guys like really figured it out,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to highlight that that, like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you really can make it work if you want to.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that site's called upwork. I know it's still around. Yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I saw like an Olympian. I don't know if it
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: was an Olympian, but somebody was posting about fetish Finder
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the other day, and I'm like, that's that's fascinating. Like
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: it's like you don't have to. I mean, I haven't
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: looked into it, but I think also like similar.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I'm not above any of it anymore. You know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: at times in this economy before we move on to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the job saying tell me a how was this on
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: your relationship if you don't mind sharing, and also what
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: big city was your favorite if you had to choose any.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: To live in that you went and stayed in.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's hard, I'm sorry. Like the places that we know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the places that we had friends, it was nice to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: be able to like hang out with other people besides
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: just like us two. Not that anything was like necessarily happening,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: but I think we would sometimes, like when we were
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in kanab Utah, like we didn't see anybody else for
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: like six weeks, and I guess we did have visitors,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: which was nice timing for visitors to come, just because
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: it does get like when you don't really have friends.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You're in a very Mormon town, like it was somewhere
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: that was like easy to like meet people temporarily. I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: sure if we really tried we could have, but like
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: both of us are a little bit like, uh, introverted,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it would just be like I feel like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you could get in a routine of like not necessarily
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: being excited by each other's presence when it was just
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: us two. But yeah, I I as far as like
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the favorite I love in Austin and sorry, yeah I
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: do think so, And like it was nice to be
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: able to like just even if there was nothing to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: do or like at the end of the work day,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we would just like go on a hike and then
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: like come home and like even if we weren't doing
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: anything like crazy, at least be like would have that
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: instead of like you know, going out to a fun
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: dinner like hanging out with friends.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like, yeah, in the moment, it's
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like there you are, but like I feel like afterwards,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: now you guys have this like really amazing experience that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like only you two really have together.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah that's true.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: But in the moment, I'm sure you're like, oh my god,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: you fart one more time.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then like some hikes you would like be
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: like half a mile ahead of me and I'd be like, wait, yea.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, get back here. Sorry I cut you off.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: What about city, Oh, Austin. I loved being in Austin
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: because of all like the wellness, all of the food.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: There's like cool nature that you can drive to. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: don't know favorite. Like I loved being in La because
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of the farmer's markets obviously, and like we had friends
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: there too. San Diego great relaxing time. You're actually in
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: San Diego during COVID, and it was just like strange
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: to be in California at that time since we had
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: been like briefly talking about COVID earlier. I'll tell this
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: one story, but I remember like the parks would have
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: like caution tape around the trees, like you couldn't even
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: go sit in the parks. And one night we had
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: gone down to the ocean to see the bioluminescence. It's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: like where the blue lg comes up in the dark,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: and like all the waves are like neon. And as
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: we're like parking to go down to the beach, there
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: was like a grim reaper somebody dresses like the grim
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Reaper walking down the beach because we weren't supposed to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like go out go out to the beaches.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Oh my god did so you didn't get to see it,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: and we.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Did see it. We were like, okay, well stand over there.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, yeah, I wonder like just someone did
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that on their own accord, like they.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Just I think, so okay, I hired.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Ryan, like who sent him? Like was it doctor tukey?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, And so that is just I don't know. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: hope that that that inspires people like it inspired me.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's like one of the coolest things anyone's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: ever done. Nonetheless timee I know, so oh I love that,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: which leads me into the like the even braver thing,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I think, which is walking away from a job that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: probably gave you comfort and consistency and all the things
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to completely switch vibes lanes, like tell me about that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was after that promotion I was
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: discussing earlier that was just like so frustrated. I was like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: it's not worth it. I don't feel good at the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: end of the day. I kind of quit like abruptly.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: So that was something and maybe should have thought through like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: but in the end it was definitely worth it, even
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: if it's like I definitely like now that we have
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a kid, will want to be making more money than
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I am soon. But it has allowed me to spend
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: time with him during his first year of life. It's crazy,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: He's going to be eight months old this this month.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Yesterday.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But I say it's crazy, But I quit to start
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: teaching at a fitness studio a method called Degree. It's
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: similar to Ploate's focuses on resistance based work on a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: machine that's similar to a reformer. It's called a megaformer,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: which is made just for Lagree And I knew that
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I kind of always wanted to teach fitness. I really
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: loved the method. It made me feel really strong and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I saw results work at a really amazing studio here
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: called Sage House in Birmingham. And then I also needed
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: another job and I started working for the Albert Khan
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Legacy Foundation. Albert Khan was an architect in Detroit in
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds, and that foundation just focuses on
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like tours or educational events. They did like a musical
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: event at the Fisher Building, which was one of the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: buildings in Detroit that he designed in the early nineteen hundreds.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Last year, that was like a really big deal. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: those were the two things that I was doing, so
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: helping basically all of the foundations operations. It was their
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: only paid staff at the time, lots of board members
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that were just volunteers. And then yeah, I helped manage
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the studio as well.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And do you feel I mean, you always should have
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: been in that line of at least I don't know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you're color like you guys, he growns her own she
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: grows her own berries like it's it's obnoxious but amazing,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Like you are just the most like the most like
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just it's goals because sometimes it's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like I want to grow my own berries and eat.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Them, but I can't. Can you can they grow them itself?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Year after year? Essentially we'll have a discus, Okay, I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: think you could, like even like a medium sized pot
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: in the window.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I think you could, Okay, I don't know. It's just
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: like you're the saw on everything. You're just I don't know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and I just feel like you.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I noticed like a shift and a
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: change in you when you did that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: And so how was it to start teaching a class
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: as someone who you described earlier is a little bit
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: more introverted, Like how was that for you the first time?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: So funny, like I felt really robotic a little bit,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: but I think the music helped get me through, just
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: like being able to make well you helped a lot too.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Like if I were to ask anybody for music recommendations,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you're definitely one of those people. Just like having that
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: vibe and like songs that you love hearing. I think
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that was really encouraging. And now it's mostly most days,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I don't get nervous doing it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Oh you still do a little bit.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've show it at all, like I've heard it's
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the most amazing class.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so oh my gosh, that means so much.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: No serious something.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're probably going in different directions, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: like I don't make noises like well I'm teaching, Like
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a lot of instructors are like whoa, And I feel
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: like pressure. I feel pressured to woo.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: No, don't succumb to pressure to woo. You don't have
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to be a WU girl if you don't want to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: be a WU girl, thanks.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, we have to I know you have like a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: hard out because you have a whole ass.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Baby, I can't believe he's sleeping still, and like I've
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: been watching the entire time. This is crazy.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's amazing.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I before he takes up, do you I won't do
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: my top five, but will you?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Will you do yours and we can like chat about yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Well, first I want to say I'm really inspired by
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you also, and I always have been. I feel like
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you're somebody who works so hard towards your goals and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: you make things happen. You have so many ideas constantly,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: which is just so cool to be around. I don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: find myself to be like a very like I'm not
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: quick to like come up with things, and I think
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that's like so cool about you. And basically you're the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: person that can talk to anybody like it, just about
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: any topic. And I think that's just like that's a
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: beautiful quality too. Obviously you have the biggest part, and
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I wish that I'm sure you wish that you could
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: feel things like a little bit less, but I wish
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: that I could feel things a little bit more. Okay,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna I don't like oka favorite things, favorite things, No, no, no, no.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to cut you off, but I I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: just I hate like that's very uncomfortable for me, that situation.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: But sorry, no, no, no, no, like I should. I should.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I should get better at that. Okay, we're not. We're
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: gonna have to find our business.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I need to get better at that, and I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of women do.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: So.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I was trying to receive it while it was also
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: trying not to cry, because that would be that would
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: be wild. If I was crying, you were gonna make me.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Cry, And that's so nicute. You're such a cute crier.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Like I will always think about Maddie's wedding, how your
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: tears were like ricocheting out of your eyes. That was
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: like laughing at you crying.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I was told by another one of our wonderful friends
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that that I ruined her experience.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: She I tour out of the moment. I don't know.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen you guys, I'm sure if you follow me,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you know we went to Brazil. I'm sure you saw
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the video of me crying because I was like, this
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: is such I don't know. I was so grateful the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: experience our friend got married in a mansion in Brazil
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: while I could see a world wonder like why why
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't everybody else sobbing like I don't know. Yes, I'm
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: such a sad but think saying that I don't. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: didn't want to cut you off. I just was like, shit,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: she's gonna make me cry, and that's so kind.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: No, I love it. Thank you.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, top five unless you have do you have anything
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: else you want for any other wisdom before we move on?
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: No, we're gonna do it, Okay, top five right now,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: especially as it's hard to like make time for myself
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and I need, like when I do, I need whatever
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I'm doing to be able to fill my cup like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: really quickly. Not that I'm completely I'm so happy at home.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I love every minute with the baby. It's just hard
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to like get those moments for myself. So I love
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: spending time at the studio. In community. Our community there
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: is really incredible, and even if I'm teaching, like I
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: always feel like empowered by the women that I'm around.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's so much good advice that is
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: shared in community, especially when it's all women. I mean,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: some men are amazing too, but mostly women, like even
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: if I get there and I feel in a bad mood,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I know I'll leave in a better mood.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I can tell that by the way from no I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: can tell that, like from online, like it seems like
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: a really cool, supportive family and community and it seems
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like you, like I can tell.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's that means a lot. Truly. I feel like
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that's the highest compliment when you are involved in a
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: place that is a community based operation.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Like my mom does pull out he said at like
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a like a place where it's like not specifically for
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that and there's no community. It's like get him in,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: get him out, And like I wouldn't want that in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a in a workout.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have such limited time for yourself that, like,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's really important.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Uh. Two, we're planning our first trip with the baby.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna go to San Diego. Yeah, so it'll be
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: exciting going sometime in March, I think, I think hopefully. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: just I think we need some sunshine, some sunset, some nature.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I've heard amazing. I've never been there, so I've heard amazing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It's it's great for just like restoring
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and relaxing and it'll be chill.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Three.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm loving my red light device that one of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: my best friends got me for my birthday. Yeah, just
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: like at nighttime, like reading my book and like having
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: that to like it makes it feel like I'm doing
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: something special for myself and it's a really quick, easy
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: way to take care of myself and elevate the reading
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: experience at the end of the day.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: That was Soloing, right, that's the brand, Yes, the Solo Wave.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I noticed the difference, and I like it better almost
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: than I think I would the mask because I like
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like to Yeah, I don't.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: It feels if you can get that guasha of fact
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: where you're like pushing things around.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was it's not insanely I mean I
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: think they did a sale, but like it's not insanely expensive.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: It's like under one hundred.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: So it's an amazing the most thoughtful gift truly. Four.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Wait was that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know it were three.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was three. Four You made me think
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that I need to start think about my garden. So
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: like I'm definitely once March starts, gonna start planning the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: things I want to plant in the garden for the year.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: So I think that's like my next little project, and yeah,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: that's coming up. It's really so number five, I guess
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, it's really cool to see the baby's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: new skills every day, just like as he's like learning
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: new things and like doing new things, he's also just
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: like so funny. So hearing his laugh and did I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: tell you he says mama. He's been saying mama for
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: a while, so that's like a really exciting time.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: That's so cute.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: What would you say, is like the I love that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: you because you're holistic like me, and I think we
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: can be to like a level that I think triggers
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: other I'm learning it triggers other people because they don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: know where to start, and I think it makes them
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: feel like shame around it, but then they shame the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: person that's like doing it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: I've noticed very recently.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: But what is something like quote unquote unconventional that you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: did with your baby that was more like holistic, like
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I know for teething you didn't necessarily do like the standard,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: just something that you could share that because I I'm
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: inspired by the way that you're raising him too.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess for like teething, like I'll give him
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: like a green onion or like those like frozen milk pops,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: which is fun. But yeah, just like always look at
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: into something that would be considered like holistic or like
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: more healthy to do before resorting to like conventional medicine
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: and things like that. Like he has like a floor bed.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: We just we co sleft and moved him into a
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: floor like a Montessori floor bed a few weeks ago,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: so that like once you can crawl, he'll be able
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: to like get into like get out of the bed
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: and like do things that. So like the whole room
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: has to be baby proofed. He's yep, I'm trying to decide.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, it might might be perfect timing. Yeah,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I told Spencer to get that month he makes up,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: so hopefully he does that. Okay. Is it the thing
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that I don't like right now?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Hate made you cry or crash out?
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, so right now the thing that's that I and
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: really disliking just people that are not like I'm the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: simplest of wavelengths, like not helping people like this. The
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: small thing that like kind of set it off, as
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: like we've been on walks recently and like multiple situations
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: where like I'm struggling to open the door with the
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: stroller and like there's just like men standing nearby, and
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I think, just like we're all going through so much
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Like it's the more that we can be aware of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the things that people around us are going through, and
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: like also like how do you not notice that? And
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: like this is just like a small example obviously, like
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: there's many more things that you can do that are
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: much more incredible, and just like you know, like I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: think if we give to others around us, even if
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: it's just like a smile or a nice gesture, like
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the more that people are going to feel loved, like
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: empowered to do that for somebody else. And that's what
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I don't like about. Yeah, we did, we have lost
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: the plot.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: We lost the plot.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: We are not working as a collective at all, and
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be even it's supposed to be
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: like us all together against the government. Like I don't know,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I just feel like they're they're like we should just
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: all we're all humans and we should all be together.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: And like that's a trigger for me too. People as
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  Speaker 1: you know, like people not noticing shit because all I
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  Speaker 1: do is notice it?
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  Speaker 3: Why don't you notice more shit?
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  Speaker 1: But I love that and I feel like I wish
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  Speaker 1: we had more time because we've done We've also done
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  Speaker 1: some like amazing things together that I think would be
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  Speaker 1: fun stories. I mean case in point, like fucking Brazil
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  Speaker 1: or coach out like we've done, and so maybe we'll
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: have to do a part two. But is there anything
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  Speaker 1: you want to like plug? You want people to follow
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  Speaker 1: stage House, do you? I mean, yeah, yeah, stage hout
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  Speaker 1: is like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at stage House lagree, which is lag e
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  Speaker 2: e Okay perfect?
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  Speaker 1: And I will still await your like travel social media
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  Speaker 1: situation because I feel like I want you.
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted you to do it.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I know, yeah, one day we're going
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: to hit the road someday.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, Well I love you.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you for saying things that made me cry, and
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear you too. Think about this
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  Speaker 1: and when I pause this then we can really shit
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  Speaker 1: chat for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I would love that. I need to we
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  Speaker 2: need to talk.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, bye, guys, I will see you next week maybe
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Jason will be on from home.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Ali,