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- Breast Health, Burnout & Breaking Free from Toxic Masculine Energy with Jasmine Khorsandi === Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:00:00] I have never picked up this much cancer in my life in a younger woman. Are you serious? I actually am picking it up more in younger women than an older woman. Stop it. Yes. What's happening? Yes. Your environment is a big proponent, right? Huge. It's huge. So stress causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system. So I think people are just way more too stressed. Stressed. It's the rat race. It's all about work. Work. Mm-hmm. Work. Go to the next meeting. Go to the next. Being in that toxic masculine energy is not healthy. Do you think that's a part of what's making women sick? Dr. Taz: Welcome to Whole Plus, the podcast that embraces and tackles the holistic way, bringing it all together, science, research, innovations and technology, and our collective human experience. This is where science and Spirit come together. I'm Dr. Taz, your host, and a double board certified medical doctor and integrative health expert, a nutritionist and an acupuncturist. I'm also the founder and CEO of whole plus a digital and clinical platform where my team and I practice evidence-based [00:01:00] holistic medicine every single day. I know and I hear all the health and wellness noise that's out there. I want this show to be the one to empower you with the knowledge you need to heal. Not just your body, but your relationships, your communities, and our world. Welcome to Whole Plus. If you've been watching and listening to the show, you know that we have had very heated discussions around breast health, how to screen for it, how to prevent and treat it. We've had experts on, and our inboxes are. Flooded. You guys have lots of questions around this, and I get it. I understand. It seems so confusing. Well, we're definitely not done talking about this and that's why we invited Jasmine Corsi onto the show. Jasmine is an ultrasound sonographer and founder of Sono Breast in Santa Monica, California. She takes a holistic approach to care and loves that she can provide women with radiation free breast ultrasounds using the advanced. Sono scene [00:02:00] in her free time. She takes care of her mind, body, and spirit through a holistic approach using yoga and meditation. She enjoys traveling and trying new restaurants, and she believes that God gives everyone a gift, and if you give it the energy every day, it will manifest. Please join me in welcoming Jasmine to the show. Jasmine, I am. Thrilled to have you here, but I've gotta give you some context. We have had a lot of very, robust is probably a good word, discussions on this show about breast health and breast screening, what to do, when to do it, how to do it. There's been a lot of back and forth. I'll share some of the comments with you later. I'm so curious what you think, but before we jump into. All things breast and how to take care of our breast and what should we be thinking about when it comes to our breast. Tell us a little bit about how you got into the world of breast health into sauna scene. Give us a little bit of the backstory. Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:03:00] Okay. So around 13 years ago, um, I got hired by a holistic OB, GYN, straight out of school. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So it was a great. First job to have, um, especially I was like a sponge out of school. You know, you could have either gone the Western way or the holistic way. She was an md but she practiced super holistically, right? And, um, she was using the Sonos in her office. Okay. So her team trained me on how to use the Saini, and I was extremely impressed. Because the technology is super thorough and it was picking up really, really small tumors Dr. Taz: the size of a sesame seed and is sono, not sono scene. 'cause I hear a lot of people in so including myself, we say sono scene, you could say either way. Either way. Got it. Alright, so you're fresh out of ultrasound school, right? Right. You're now an ultrasonographer. Yeah. And you go straight into a holistic [00:04:00] type situation there. Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes it was. It was straight into that. And the doctor was anti mammograms. She was super holistic. She actually really was against it. So this is a technology she used in her office and divinely I was at the right place. At the right time and they trained Dr. Taz: me Amazing. And what, you know, coming out of ultrasound school and then, you know, probably you were trained to do breast ultrasounds, I'm guessing, and traditional ultrasounds. Right? Right. Just sort of like when we're coming outta med school where in sort of a very conventional mindset, what were your first impressions? Of this new technology compared to what you had already been trained in. Jasmine Khorsandi: So the regular technology, there was a lot of gaps. So we would, you know, hold the transducer and just take a couple of pictures and it's kind of like texting and driving. Dr. Taz: Hmm. You Jasmine Khorsandi: know, because we're the operator, we're holding the probe and we just intuitively take, you know, a couple pictures. One at [00:05:00] 12, one at three, one at six and nine the axilla. And that's it. But when I, you know, put my hands on this robust machine, and it was recording 3000 images, and the 3000 images were turning into a 3D movie, it was the creme de la creme oppressed imaging. It wasn't, I wasn't guessing myself anymore. There wasn't questioning myself because it's, it's doing the, the automation is like ai. It's doing it for you. How long has this technology been available? I think it's been around 15 to 20 years. But why have we not Dr. Taz: heard about Jasmine Khorsandi: it Dr. Taz: before? Jasmine Khorsandi: Wait, why wait? Why have we not heard about it before? So Dr. Kelly is a genius. He's a breast radiologist, okay? Him and his brother-in-law created this technology like in their garage, and there he wasn't a businessman, right? So he. Wasn't able to like spread it to the masses. He had his own clinic in Pasadena as the radiologist, [00:06:00] just one-on-one with his clients. Okay. So he wasn't a businessman. Like most doctors, they're focused on their patients. Right. And they don't have that business gap or time to time, sometimes time. Yeah. So he, yeah, he just loved his patients. And he had a clinic in Pasadena and he was super busy and him and his team trained me. To do the, to do the Dr. Taz: Sono City. Interesting. So how would you say, so you've described a little bit, well maybe just walk us through like what can you expect when you get one of these scans and we'll, let's compare it to a traditional mammogram. Let's compare the two and, and. Tell me a little bit about how they're different. Jasmine Khorsandi: Great question. So the traditional mammogram is super barbaric. You lay down, or you're sitting and you know, you put your breast in between two plates, you smash it, you compress it, and you radiate it. Right? So nothing about that seems natural in my opinion, especially if you have [00:07:00] something called dense. Breast tissue, 50% of mammograms are missed in dense breast tissue. Mm. And that's because it's like if you have a little tumor inside of your breast tissue, it's a snowball. And under the mammogram images, it's already white. So it's like looking for a snowball in the snow. 50 percent's missed. You just can't see it. If you have fatty breasts, which is women who are, have larger breasts, it's easier to see. Mm. Because the, the cancer will show up because the fatty tissue looks black and the cancer will show up as white. Mm. But women like me who are, you know, small to medium sized breasted. Right. Just weird. Risking going to this appointment and just getting results, and we have no idea if something was there. So you have to put the control in your hands. Um, I highly recommend doing ultrasound for everyone. Dense breasted woman and fatty breast woman because there's no [00:08:00] radiation. Mm-hmm. And it can see through the tissue, it penetrates. Deepen up that it can detect super, super small tumors. God forbid if there is something. That way when you detect tumors small, you don't have to do aggressive treatment. You don't wanna wait until it's too late, right? So that's where ultrasound comes in. Early detection, no radiation. It's super safe for your. Your tissue, there's no pain, there's no smashing, there's no contrast agents, and there's no guessing. Dr. Taz: Right. You know, with Jasmine Khorsandi: the mammogram, to be honest, one out of 10 women get called back because of something that was questionable and there's tons of biopsies done. There's tons of aggressive treatments done. I went down Dr. Taz: that road right here. Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Yep. And 99.97 at a time. It's benign. Right. Dr. Taz: I remember that journey. I mean, it was a couple years ago and I found a lump and went [00:09:00] in and it was a mammogram. Wait, now you need to go get, uh, ultrasound. Wait, now you need to go get an MRI. Wait, now we need to do a biopsy. Wait, now we need to look at the other side too. I mean, it was like between my schedule and, and all the like, we need this and we need this. It was six months. Yeah. At the end of that six months, it was benign. It was normal. Yeah. So you know, personally, to be a hundred percent honest, even I am like, is Mammogram really the right. Tool as the initial step, you know? And then when we, and this is just being completely transparent, when we go to order ultrasound for our patients, you know, we're like, okay, you have dense breasts and we need, do need to talk more about dense breasts. But we go to order, you know, ultrasounds, uh, breast ultrasounds on our patients, the radiologist and the imaging facilities. At least, you know, in some of the areas where we have, our clinics are refusing to do that, they refuse to do an ultrasound unless you do [00:10:00] a mammogram first. So it leaves, you know, the patient, the woman so confused and like, okay, I, I have to do this mammogram and I have to go down this journey again and again, especially when you're telling me that one in 10 women get called back. Mm-hmm. You know, to me that just seems like such a problem. Why do you think we've set the system up that way? Jasmine Khorsandi: So basically they want you in the system. If you think about they want you to go do the mammogram because the mammogram makes money, then they want you to go do the ultrasound because that makes money and it's, it's, they want you in the system. In my opinion, the ultrasound detects more cancers than the mammograms. That's a fact that it's detecting 50% more, more cancers Maybe. I, I, I question. I'm like, maybe they don't wanna find. And early cancer. And early cancer because the treatment of chemotherapy and all that aggressive cancer makes money. I [00:11:00] hate to believe that. I know, but why? Why is it so hard to get an ultrasound? I don't understand. It's. Dr. Taz: It is ridiculous. It is. They won't do it. It's ridiculous. Women, it's beyond ridiculous Jasmine Khorsandi: and, and that's where Sauna Breast was created. A place where women do not need a prescription. They do not need a doctor's order. They put their health in their own hands. They call our clinic. They come, they get scheduled, and they get results within 48 hours. That's it. Dr. Taz: That's incredible. I mean, I was trying to schedule mine right this trip. I told you that, and I just couldn't get the timing to work out. But I'll be back, I promise. But you know, I just think we make things too hard for women to be advocates of their own health, and I think in an area as sensitive as breast health, you know, I, I feel like it's super exciting that there's new technology. Old technology not ever used, you know, coming out into the market so that we have more options. I think it's incredible. What's the difference though, between the sini, I hope I'm saying it right, and a traditional breast ultrasound. Is [00:12:00] there a difference between those two? Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Dr. Taz: Tell us about that. Jasmine Khorsandi: So the traditional breast ultrasound, once again, there's, there could be human error because a technician is like, because you're holding the pro, holding the pro. You, you're guessing and driving. It's like texting and driving. Texting and driving. I love that analogy. Texting and driving. I don't want you texting and driving on Dr. Taz: my breast. Please stop. Right. You know, so, but anyhow. Exactly. Jasmine Khorsandi: So, you know, if, if, if a patient has larger breasts, you know, you just want to, you, you really need to have a good sonographer. If you have a sonographer that's not trained, something can be missed because we are Dr. Taz: the operators. It's like taking the human error and the human component. Out of it a little bit. Jasmine Khorsandi: Correct. Okay. Correct. It's just, and it records the 3000 images and it compiles it into a 3D movie. So Dr. Taz: when you go in for one of these scans, are you laying. Forward, like face forward or you face up, Jasmine Khorsandi: you're face up supine. Okay. Just like a regular ultrasound. Okay. And then I'm just holding the [00:13:00] probe and the probe is sweeping the 3000 images. Okay, Dr. Taz: gotcha. Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Dr. Taz: Excellent. What kind of results have you seen? What have you found? What have you seen? Because how long have you guys been offering this technology now? Jasmine Khorsandi: So, at my clinic for six years. For six years? Yes. Dr. Taz: Tell us a little bit about the patient experience and what, what you found and what. Some of your patients are saying, Jasmine Khorsandi: yeah, so during the pandemic, I had a client, she was 24 years old, she had a lot of breast pain, and her ob, GYN, I don't know why, referred her to get a mammogram. Mm-hmm. I mean, at 24 years old. Mm-hmm. Why would you radiate a 24-year-old girl's breast tissue? I think that's too young. I dunno why they're not going in straight for an ultrasound and because if you do enough of that radiation, in my mind, it will cause the cancer. And Dr. Taz: many experts agree with you today that mammograms are. Playing a role in the incidents of breast cancer as Jasmine Khorsandi: well. I agree. Yeah. I mean, one out of three are getting breast cancer. Yeah. [00:14:00] If you start thinking about what causes it, radiation can be one of them. Right. And uh, she went in for her mammogram and it was normal. She had a lot of breast pain. Pain to the point she was waking up in the middle of the night to take Advil and the doctor said, it's fine, it's hormonal, it's, you know, it's, you're in your ovulation phase. It's, you know. It's normal. Right? She saw, she found me on Instagram and I think I posted a post about breast pain and how it's really important to not ignore pain. Right. It could be something which I agree with hundred percent more serious. Yeah. It's not always hormonal. It's not always your moon cycle. And, uh, she came to my office during the pandemic and I found the cancer. It was literally two millimeters. It was so Dr. Taz: tiny, Jasmine Khorsandi: tiny. Um, our radiologist came into the office, they did a biopsy, and she literally says it's the best thing that it's ever happened to her, because now she's [00:15:00] like a health cancer coach. Oh, wow. Yeah. So with that tiny cancer, that's enough to experience pain? Yes. Wow. She was young. It was affecting her maybe more than other people. Everybody's body has different reactions. And she didn't need any like. Chemotherapy. Nothing. Because it was so small. It was so small. She just had a lumpectomy and now she's working with one of the most famous cancer doctors. And she says, God gave this to me for a reason. It was my purpose to help other women guide them. So now she's always talking about ultrasound and she's always talking about how early detection can save your life. It Dr. Taz: really can. And I think, you know, one of the things that we have to. Be aware of. We have this general recommendation of getting breast screening at age 40, but the incidence of breast cancer is actually skewing younger and younger. We know that women in their twenties and their thirties are also getting breast cancer, and it's a problem of the [00:16:00] modern age. Then you're telling them to wait till 40 to get a mammogram. So the ability to go in and get something like, like an ultrasound, I think is, is incredible. You know, are you seeing more, you know, young women aware of kind of the increasing risk and coming in and asking for these scans? Jasmine Khorsandi: I have never picked up this much cancer in my life. In younger women. Are you serious? I actually am picking it up more in younger women than an older woman. Stop it. Yes. What's happening? Yes, something is happening. I personally think a lot of these women have had IVF treatment. That's what they're telling me. And this tumor started to grow after the IVF, the IVF treatment. So that's one thing that I'm hearing from the clients that are, are coming from the patients. Right. From my patients. Yeah. Um, and that's really common right now. A lot of women in their late thirties and forties after IVF. Um, another thing that's, you know, environment. You know, your environment is [00:17:00] a big proponent, right? Huge. It's huge. So stress. I, I'm sure you know, you know, it causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system. So I think people are just way more too stressed these days, especially the younger generation. Are they Dr. Taz: coming and telling you that they're stressed? Yeah. Or reporting that? Okay. Yeah. Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean, the ones that we do find out that they do have the cancer, we kind of, you know, I'm a woman, right. I care. Right. It's like my sister. I Dr. Taz: know, right? Yeah. So I Jasmine Khorsandi: kind of hold space and I always. Do, you know, ask questions. You know, a lot of them are having trouble in their relationships. They're having trouble at work, just too much pressure on them. Um, they don't have time to exercise. They're not eating correctly, so it's just a soup of inflammation and your body can hold. All of these stressors. Dr. Taz: Interesting. Why do you think, so you don't think the older women, the women, like in their forties and fifties, you're not seeing as as much in them. Are they not coming [00:18:00] in or, or what do you think is happening there? What do you think the difference is between the younger demographic and the more middle age or slightly older demographic? Jasmine Khorsandi: The, the, the older demographic they're coming in too, but I think the older demographic maybe just. They, they have more tools. Dr. Taz: Mm. Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? Yeah, totally. Yeah. We're more aware. You're more aware, you're more grounded, you know, the, everyone is just having a spiritual awakening right now. I think people are waking up to the no drinking culture. Yes. Yeah. Which is huge right now. Um, taking care of your mental health. Is number one in my book, because just being around women's health for 13 years, the ones that kind of are in tune with their mental health, they're thriving. Dr. Taz: Mm. Do you think that's the biggest determinant you see? Mm-hmm. So fascinating to me because, you know, you know, I'm trained in Chinese and Ayurvedic medicine and some of these older systems of medicine, and I've shared this before, so definitely not trying to bore anybody. But [00:19:00] in Chinese medicine, the liver meridian runs through the breast, like right. Physically through the breast and down to other areas of the body. The liver, meridian and the liver is where you store anger and grief. Now, if you extrapolate that to the hormones, right, I talk a lot about hormones and we can get into that as well, but the hormone associated with the liver is cortisol. Which is the stress hormone. So it's almost like no matter which angle you wanna take, if you take a Chinese medicine angle and say, okay, trauma in your relationships, trauma in your life, excessive stress that you don't have outlets to relieve, whether it's work or elsewhere, and you're storing that, right? Physiologically in a lab, I'm gonna see high cortisol. From a Chinese medicine perspective, they see liver meridian imbalance and over time they believe if that's not corrected, you're gonna have an issue with your breast. 'cause it sits right there. So what you're observing. [00:20:00] Through scanning is very much what older systems of medicine talked about thousands of years ago that we lost in sort of this sort of technique of, okay, just do mammograms at 40 and, and nothing else is important, right? Like all these other factors are not important. But to this day, you know, I still see patients and to this day, if a woman comes in and tells me. And she's getting divorced or she's experienced a really big loss, or you know, something major has happened in her life, I can almost clock it. And 18 months later, oftentimes they're having an issue with their breast or having, or get a diagnosis of breast cancer or something along those lines. So to your point, like the stress in the cortisol and. Trauma are, are important ideas in this conversation, but I think I'm still really bothered by the younger women coming in and you're finding it more. I'm still really like, just that boggles my mind. What would you tell a young woman if she's watching us today, what would you tell My [00:21:00] 17-year-old? Jasmine Khorsandi: Definitely pay attention to how you're feeling. Don't ignore it. If you're having a sad day, bring out your journal release, you know, instead of suppressing, because most of us wanna just hide it under the carpet. Hide it under the carpet. I'm strong enough, I got this Dr. Taz: right. Jasmine Khorsandi: Release those emotions. Like as a 17-year-old, how do I feel today? What makes me feel good? What makes me feel uncomfortable? Another really important thing is like self-regulation. Being able to feel, trust your intuition. If you're, that keeps coming up, trust your intuition. If you're having a sad day and you need to talk to somebody, fine. If it's not your mom, ask for a therapist if. You need to have a backbone so you don't feel lonely. Community is important, absolutely, especially for a 17-year-old. You want her to feel safe. You want her to feel [00:22:00] nourished. You want her to feel seen and have a voice. And if, if a 17-year-old doesn't feel safe and doesn't have a voice, then. Her throat chakra is blocked. Mm-hmm. You know, she's, she's in fight or flight. Her cortisol is increased, her hormones are all over the place. Her inflammation's high. So it's just being in tune and having an outlet to release and have a voice. I think I would tell your 17-year-old daughter, Dr. Taz: would you have teenagers and women in their twenties come in to do the scan? I Jasmine Khorsandi: do. Dr. Taz: Do they come through? Jasmine Khorsandi: They come through, I mean. 40 years old to get screened at 40 is 20 years behind in my book. I, I Dr. Taz: agree. I could not agree. It's almost like the bone scan thing too. It's not approved till like 60 or 65. I don't Jasmine Khorsandi: understand. It's like, and OBGYNs are not having this discussion with their patients. They say, wait until you're 40 to get a mammogram. Right. But breast cancer is so high. And statistically it's one out of three women, so why not [00:23:00] get a scan that doesn't have radiation? We use the same technology to scan women that are pregnant. Why is everyone so worried about the pap smear when when you're 18 and no one's, but not worried Dr. Taz: about the breast, but not worried about, Jasmine Khorsandi: and cervical cancer is so low, right? But breast so high. Dr. Taz: Such a good point. We have to change that. We Jasmine Khorsandi: have to change Dr. Taz: that. And this is ridiculous. Jasmine Khorsandi: It's ridiculous. Yeah. You know, and it's like. Have this conversation with your patients. You know, do, and I would say Dr. Taz: for the moms listening, have this conversation with your daughters. Absolutely. And if you're a big sister like me, have this conversation with your, the younger women in your family, you know? Yeah. I think, I think this is an easy tool. For us to like sink our teeth in. The only problem being like for many people, 'cause we face this in our clinics, like, okay, I'm gonna go do it. And then the imaging centers themselves are saying, no, you can't do it until you have a mammogram. So now in the Atlanta area, we're down to one or two imaging centers that are willing to do it without a mammogram, you know, willing to do any ultrasound. We [00:24:00] don't have a sonsini, but not, you know, willing to just do a basic breast ultrasound without a mammogram. So then we were saying all this before. You know, the person out in the field, so to speak, their options are so limited. Yeah. You know, so yeah. Jasmine Khorsandi: That's, that's, that was my fuel with sores. I had a really good friend, her mom's brother owns radiology centers all over la. Mm-hmm. She went to every single mammogram appointment every single year, and she was very small breasted, like a Dr. Taz: mm-hmm. Jasmine Khorsandi: And no one did an ultrasound on her. Her brother owns all these radiology centers, right? No, the radiologist should have recommended it. I think it's their responsibility when they're reading the images. If you see dense breast tissue on the mammogram, pictures, get an ultrasound, request an ultrasound, right. They didn't, she had cancer and it was missed for like five years and unfortunately she passed away in her forties. Oh my goodness. Yes. Ah. [00:25:00] It happens over and over again because by the time the mammogram will detect it, it's already been there for 10 years. Cancer starts literally the size of a seed. By the time you feel something in your breast. It's been there for 10 years. Hmm. It starts off as a couple of cells. So once again, you can't trust all your doctors. You know, I always say when you choose your practitioners, choose it like you're, you're dating somebody, right? The way we're so picky with our love partners, right? Choose your doctor the same exact way. Do they ask about your health? Do they ask about your breast health? Do they ask about your emotional health, your diet? These are big factors. Of Dr. Taz: your health. Definitely let's revisit the dense breast component of the conversation. Um, not to overshare, but I have dense breasts and that's why I think I ended up down that journey. I think it's in our family, you know, we test and practice. I know I have COMT, which is that gene that makes you hold onto estrogen and store [00:26:00] estrogen. So I talk a lot about estrogen dominance. It's a part to, for me, dense breasts are a part of this concept around estrogen dominance. Meaning you're holding onto estrogen, you're storing estrogen, you can get lumps and bumps. In cyst and fibroids and all the different things. If you do, if you know you have dense breasts, first of all, what are dense breasts? I know they're now officially classified, which I think is. They weren't even classified up until about a year or two ago. But if you do have dense breast, you know, what should we be looking for? Thinking about how does that differentiate from somebody without it? Give us a little bit of your perspective there. Jasmine Khorsandi: So I think like 80% of women have dense breast issues. So the majority. Majority, yeah. Dense breast tissue, all it means is you have more breast tissue in your breasts compared to fat. Dr. Taz: Mm. So Jasmine Khorsandi: that's all it means. And actually, dense breast tissue, I feel like is a good thing because our boobs are more perky. So if There we go. Yeah. So if you have fatty breasts, they're usually larger and they droop down and there's more [00:27:00] fat. Mm-hmm. There's nothing wrong with having dense breast tissue. I have clients that are like. What can I do to get rid of my dense breast tissue? I'm like, all it is is breast tissue. Mm-hmm. God put it there for you to have beautiful breasts. Yeah. You know, it's just more perky and with dense breast tissue, since we have more breast tissue compared to fat, you just have to do the right. Screening modality once a year, or if you're BRCA positive, maybe two or three times a year, that's all it means. It doesn't mean it's a a disease. It doesn't mean that something bad is gonna happen to you. They do say the risk for cancer is higher in dense breast tissue, but if you do the right screening test. It won't be missed. You'll, you'll find it early enough. Dr. Taz: And there's stages now of dense breast, right? Yeah. I think they now grade it from an A to D, I believe. Right. I saw recently the radiologists are supposed to comment on that. So if you don't know whether you have dense breast or not, right. You know. How can someone tell, actually that's a good question. How can someone tell if they have dense breast? Jasmine Khorsandi: I could just tell by looking someone. Someone really? Yeah. Just like size A to like [00:28:00] mid CI feel like is dense or dense. Okay. And the people who are extremely large, like my mom is triple D, she's fatty. Okay. So for me. Dr. Taz: I look at a size. You look at a size. So are those the two types? Fatty or dense? Yeah, those are the main two types. Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Dr. Taz: So dense breast. Do ultrasounds. Jasmine Khorsandi: Do the ultrasounds. Another thing that's really important is doing self-breast exams. So many women don't do this. Nobody does it. I don't even do it. It Dr. Taz: was like gra, it was like ingrained in our brain, teach your patients to do self-exams. And when I ask everyone's like, I don't do that. They go straight to the imaging. I Jasmine Khorsandi: don't do it either, Dr. Taz: so we're supposed to do it. So what, what's the correct guideline? How often are we supposed to be doing these self exams? Jasmine Khorsandi: So Postmenopausal Woman, I would say do it the first of every single month. Anytime the first of the month, and then perimenopausal woman a couple days after your moon cycle. So it's less lumpy. And I would say go in front of a mirror, look at your breasts. Make sure there's no skin dimpling. [00:29:00] Make sure that there's no inverted nipple, no redness. And first, get a good look at how your boobs look. So if anything abnormal comes around your boobs, you'll know you're more in tune with our breasts. Women we're just so disconnected from our bodies. Have you noticed that? Much so, very much. Yeah. We just have no connection. Why do you think that is? I mean, because we're in the Western culture. It's, it's the rat race. You know, it's all about work. Work. Mm-hmm. Work. Go to the next meeting, go to the next. Everyone is so in this rat race matrix, no one is present really anymore or in tune with themselves. You know, once you, you gotta create a practice for that. And so people have just become disconnected from their bodies 'cause they're always doing something outside of their body Dr. Taz: has such an issue for so many women and I think they really have trouble. Putting that into some sort of daily ritual or Yeah. Or even weekly ritual. What are some of the things you do to kind of get, [00:30:00] kind of get back in touch with your feminine? Yeah. Which also gets you back in touch with your intuition, because intuition I think is a feminine superpower. Yes. But so many women are cut off from it because they're in the rat race. Right. Yeah. Just curious what you do to kind of get back in touch with that. Jasmine Khorsandi: So I really enjoy being slow and present. That's what femininity is to me. Um, I wake up earlier in the morning, I'll light a candle, I'll make my matcha, but I'm not like in a rush, right? Because when you're in a rush, you immediately get into that toxic masculine energy. Dr. Taz: I'm a toxic masculine, Jasmine Khorsandi: don't worry, I've been, I'm kidding. I'm like raw. I've been in my toxic masculine my whole life. And then I went to Bali and I had a huge spiritual awakening in Bali. Oh my gosh. Okay. Bali changed my life. What happened in Bali? I have to ask you. You got me there. I have to Dr. Taz: ask what happened there. I went Jasmine Khorsandi: on like this goddess retreat for two weeks in Bali [00:31:00] and we were just praying, meditating, doing Kundalini. Kundalini Yoga. Yoga. Mm-hmm. Breath work. And we were getting, um. Blessed by Balinese Priestesses. Mm-hmm. No phones, no laptops, no work. We were doing the work, inner work, inner work for two weeks. My voice changed. I changed, I cried a lot. I released so many like suppressed emotions because once again, as a, as a woman, as a business owner, owner in The Matrix in Los Angeles, it's like a lot of women become masculine. Yeah. So I, on that trip, especially the land of the goddesses, that's what Bali's known for. I remembered who I was. Hmm. I had forgotten the goddess, the inner goddess in me. I forgot who she was, and it was, it was really sad because I was disconnected to [00:32:00] myself. And so after that trip, I learned all the tools. I learned to be present, to be slow, to love my body, to take time for myself, because being in that toxic masculine energy. Is not healthy. Do Dr. Taz: you think that's a part of what's making women sick? Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes, I Dr. Taz: do. So then how do we And you attract Jasmine Khorsandi: the wrong partner. Dr. Taz: Yeah. Jasmine Khorsandi: You attract the wrong partner. You operate on a totally masculine energy, which shifts your whole life. Mm. Dr. Taz: How would you tell women to realign, especially again. Let's talk to the younger women 'cause they have the opportunity to make some choices, right? Yeah. How, how would we advise them to realign so they're balanced, right? They still can accomplish things, but they're not living in that space. Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say take minimum 20 to 30 minutes a day. Wake up earlier, wake up [00:33:00] 30 minutes earlier. Take a journal, whatever it is you like to do. I like to write. I'm a writer. Me too. That's my, yeah, me too. Dr. Taz: Yeah. Love to write. That's Jasmine Khorsandi: my free therapy. Mm-hmm. I bring out my journal. Make a drink that you like. Wear a nice silk dress or something that feels good. It could be a big t-shirt, whatever feels good. And sit with yourself. Put your hand on your heart. Connect to your heart and ask yourself, how do I feel today? How does Jasmine feel today? Connect to your heart. Get out of your head. Connect to your heart. You know, your heart has like 20,000 Yeah. Neuro rights. Yeah. It's smarter than our head. The science is proving it. Mm-hmm. Sit with yourself and journal, you know, the, the power of writing and connecting to yourself and watch what comes up. And your heart sits right by your breast too. It's, it's the heart. Cha chakra is right by the breast. Exactly. So it's just. 30 minutes to connect to your to yourself check in. You know, Dr. Taz: that's an [00:34:00] easy tool that anybody could do for sure. It's life changing when you check in. Right? So, you know, we've established that the heart is the center, right? It's the magnetic field. It's the in intuitive center. It sits right by the breast. We're seeing breast cancer rates go up across the board. We're seeing younger and younger women get breast cancer. What happened to you? You were able to understand this, you know, and connect the dots between, you know, living this, like very driven, very accomplished oriented. You're a business owner, like, you know, you've gone to school, you know, going on that path and living that life and driving and driving and driving. But coming to the realization that this is the form of toxicity. Right, right. This is like living in the masculine, which we as women are not really supposed to do. And it might be making us sick. And this is really hard for me to even say these words because I am that person that is always [00:35:00] that going, going, going, going, going with so many downloads and so much going on. But what happened to you to like have that light bulb moment? Jasmine Khorsandi: Thank you for sharing. Two years ago, after four years of starting my practice, I hit a really scary burnout. It scared me and it's because I was in that toxic masculine energy. You just keep going and going and going, and you don't know when to stop. And as a Scorpio, um, you know, I'm super controlling in my work. I want everything to be done. Perfect. So I am hands on, you know? Mm-hmm. I, it was, it was hard for me to delegate up until two years ago. And, uh, I, I just, I crashed. It was, it was sad. I called my therapist crying in bed. I said like, I literally feel like I'm gonna die. Dr. Taz: Mm. Jasmine Khorsandi: You [00:36:00] know, she's like, I couldn't move my arm because my job is so, um. Physical. Physical or I'm like, I, I, this is like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like I need help. And she's like, if you don't get help, and if you don't start delegating, you're not even gonna like what you're doing anymore. Yeah. You're so passionate about what you're doing, but you need to get help. Or else this is gonna go bad, Jasmine. And at that point I had pain in my arms. I was getting like steroid shots. Yeah. Like it was like, I knew it wasn't gonna work anymore. So you know what? I sat with myself and I said, okay Jasmine, it's time to get help. And, and I hired more help. I hired more ultrasound technicians and that's getting out of the toxic masculine, it's getting out of lack. Dr. Taz: Mm. Jasmine Khorsandi: From lack. I was scared to hire people. Mm-hmm. You know, train other girls. Right, right. How about if they go copy me Right about if you know. Right. Yeah. It from lack. [00:37:00] Right. And I let go of that lack mindset. My therapist really helped me get outta that. She's like, you're gonna. Double your, your business when you get help. Dr. Taz: Yeah. Jasmine Khorsandi: So then I got out of lack mindset and came into this more feminine light. I'm gonna train my sisters and they're gonna hold space for me and they're gonna help me. Maybe I'll be able to move my arms more. Right? So I did that and I, and I got help and slowly, by slowly I started to, I was able to breathe again. Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. Jasmine Khorsandi: And, you know, come up for a breath of air and I got help. And then. After that, I went on my to Bali, to Bali on my Goddess retreat. I literally, it says feminine on my fingers and Balinese, because when I went there, I mean, you, you take, you strip away your phone and your laptop, and as a healer, I'm always helping everybody else. When is their time for Jasmine? Mm-hmm. Every everyone's health is in my hand. And you get it as a healer. Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm. Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm. So. For two weeks, I did the [00:38:00] breath work, the yoga, the Kundalini yoga, the meditation journaling, going in all these water temples, and I just remembered who I was Dr. Taz: and all of that. Got you back in touch with your feminine. Yes. For someone listening, like, what does feminine sounds so bad. What does feminine feel like? Feels so good? Jasmine Khorsandi: It feels light. It's light. It feels light and airy, and. Just in flow. Dr. Taz: In the flow. Yeah. I think it's about flow. Yeah. And alignment. So I joke about myself all the time. I am, you know, incredibly driven and I do a lot of different things, but the, I think the difference is that I feel very aligned. I feel like I'm doing work that I'm incredibly passionate about. Yeah. And it brings me a lot of joy and meaning. Now I can be better about taking time out. I wanna go to Bali. Yes. And do the same. Because I do believe that, you know, we have been trained since childhood, maybe even in [00:39:00] utero, to be disconnected from our feminine. It's always been suppressed or. Abused or put down. Yes. And I think that we as women go on this journey of, of trying to run from that feeling, but, and prove ourselves, I guess. But at the same time, we lose so much in that process of trying to prove that we can live in the masculine. You know what, so there's so many lessons in which you just said. We were talking about breasts, but we are, you know, a lot of what you just said applies to being an entrepreneur, applies to being a mom, applies to being a wife or a friend. Right. You said something about lack. Can, can you go back there just a second and explain what you meant by that? Like you were operating outta lack, what, what does that mean? Jasmine Khorsandi: When I started my business? Mm-hmm. So sonography is. It, this patient's life is in my [00:40:00] hand. Right? So it's very, I'm the operator, right? So I was in lack because I'm like, I don't know if I'm gonna find other sonographers that are as good as me. Do they care as much as I care? Dr. Taz: Mm. That was almost like a perfectionist type mentality too, right? Yeah. I, I mean, Jasmine Khorsandi: you know, it's like, I don't, I don't go over the breast tissue once I go over each breast tissue, probably like 18 times. Yeah. I mean, other techs don't do that. I haven't seen it. They're just going to the next, the next, the next, the next, the next I. I block out almost an hour per client. Mm. I'm super thorough. I don't want anything missed. I wanna sleep at night, right? I knock on wood. In 10 years, I haven't had anything missed because I care. That person is a mother, an aunt, a sister. I wanna make sure every single inch of tissues. Covered. So where I came from, lack was like, how about if she misses something? Dr. Taz: Mm. Okay. You know? So not being able to delegate because something could be missed. Something could be missed. So how do you get over that? [00:41:00] Um. As a business owner, as somebody who's responsible for teams or for people, how do you get over that? There is Jasmine Khorsandi: goddesses all around us and they care as much as I care because once I got out of lack and, and I went into abundance. All these girls came into my office and now they're all there and they care as much as me. And now when people call, they ask to be seen by them too. I love that. Dr. Taz: That happens to Jasmine Khorsandi: me too. I'm like, this is Dr. Taz: great. Jasmine Khorsandi: I love this. This is great. I know this is Dr. Taz: awesome. Jasmine Khorsandi: So it's just our fears. Take control of our future, but just you have to sit with that. And it's coming from also my mom's mindset too, right? She's the one who said, don't hire anybody. Oh yeah. Don't hire anybody. They're gonna come and copy you. Don't hire anybody. It's that Iranian mindset, which is very similar to Indian mindset. Dr. Taz: Yeah, yeah. You know, Asian, I mean, it's, it's a very similar mindset that to be protective and to [00:42:00] be like. You know, hold on to this little piece. Yeah. Because I think they've come from very competitive cultures, is my sense. I don't know, I wasn't raised there. Very competitive, so, so there is that, but like that almost does us all a disservice, quite honestly. Mm-hmm. I think we do better when we work in collaboration and when we work in community and we get further ahead, you know, just from a entrepreneurial standpoint, but from a health standpoint, we have a second to breathe. You know, I look at the doctors that. Are out there and they're suffering so much today, you know, because whether they're in the conventional system where they're just slogging it and like, you know, seeing what you're saying, patient after patient over and over and over again. Volume, volume, volume. That is a soul robbing profession. Yeah. Which is why so many people don't want to be doctors anymore. And when you flip it and you have a lot of people setting up their solo clinics or solo practice like. That is a lot too. You know, that's a heavy lift and a heavy load as well. So I think we do do better when we [00:43:00] come together and we collaborate and we can kind of create, co-create, you know, in the universe. And I think it helps us as women. And I think women, let's go back to just thinking about women. We were never meant. To be and to live alone and to do alone. We always worked in this sort of tribal communal situation, even with raising kids, you know, it was like, there were like four aunties and uh, four elders and like all these people, and it was like a. It was like a conglomerate, right? It wasn't like, oh, I'm over here doing my thing. What are you doing over there? You know? Oh, you gave them what? Like, you know, it wasn't like that, you know? It was, it was very much, it was much more communal. And now I'm sure everybody all was gossiped and did all those things, right? But it was a communal culture. And I think what's happened in, you know, this modern age is as we've moved to more of this individualistic culture, it's only hurt us as women. And I think. Breast health, [00:44:00] breast cancer is one of those. I think mental health is another sign of, of how we as women, if we really wanna have a conversation around health and wellness, you know, then we've gotta be thinking more communally rather than thinking about, okay, here's my stake in the sand and my family and my stuff, and I'm gonna win. You know? And I think that's, that could be hurting us too, you know? Jasmine Khorsandi: I think that's beautiful what you just said because that individualistic mindset. Can cause the disease. Dr. Taz: Mm. And you're seeing it in the ultrasound world? Oh Jasmine Khorsandi: yeah. It's, it's, it's the health space. I mean, I got it on my own. I can do it better than anybody else. Right? Yep. We as women need community. Mm-hmm. In the Blue Zones. The reason why they live so long in the Blue Zones is because of their strong sense of community. They eat meals together. Breakfast, [00:45:00] lunch, and dinner with their neighbors. Mm, they go exercising with their neighbors. That strong sense of community will keep your immune system even stronger. Dr. Taz: What do the Bali Priestesses say about us? Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, they think we're nuts, Dr. Taz: you know? And again, I love that they're priestesses. 'cause again, it was always women that were the healers. You are a medicine, Jasmine Khorsandi: you're a healer, you're a priestess. You're a healer. You're a goddess. God chose you to help all your sisters. You have to nourish and fill up your cup. If you wanna be a vessel to help the masses. You can't live from an empty cup. Dr. Taz: Well, a part of your healing journey, and I'm wondering if you learned this in Bali or you were already doing this on your own. You know you practice reiki Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Dr. Taz: And sound bats. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? I have in my head. [00:46:00] And we are not, you know, we've gone in a lot of different places today on this amazing podcast episode, but there is this whole idea around vibration and vibrational energy and what that means for our health and for me, Reiki Sound Bath are impacting. That vibrational energy to bring us into healing. How do you connect the dots for maybe our viewers and our listeners in terms of how these modalities play into a topic like breast health and a topic like coming into your femininity? Jasmine Khorsandi: So during that really dark phase of my life, I signed up at a place called Unplugged Meditation. You, it is like a, it's a monthly membership where they do sound baths, yoga, meditation. 'cause I knew I needed to fill up my cup. Dr. Taz: I had Jasmine Khorsandi: no idea what sound baths were. I had no idea, but a lot of people would tell me, Jasmine, you should try. Go into sound baths. You're always giving go and just lay and receive. And the sound, the 5 28 [00:47:00] hertz, it goes into your bones, it goes into your cells. On a cellular level, you're gonna feel more rejuvenated. So I started going three times a week. Mm-hmm. And that's when my life also changed. I was getting downloads from God just laying there. He would literally give me a to-do list to do and I would follow them and my like so many things, oh my God, gimme an example. Started to change. Whew. Sound has changed my life. That's why when, and I learned, ah, that's why I learned, because I saw that so many women in my clinic needed sound and reiki, because it's such a easy practice to learn, right? And help people, Dr. Taz: right? Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm. Um, God, two years ago, I was definitely in the group of wrong friends. Mm. Wrong friends. That was, you know, God was like, you're either gonna go this way with these girls or you're gonna go this way. And he came to me in one of the sound baths out loud twice. [00:48:00] 'cause the first time I kind of like ignored it and I was, I went into like scare. So I'm like, I'm not gonna let go of all my friends. He came twice out loud. It was a very masculine noise and he's like, you need to get rid of, he said both their names loud. That like kind of took over my whole body. It felt like I was like on a medicine journey. And I listened After that when God came into me, he said, you need to, and these friends were very toxic. Yeah. Very toxic. Yeah. Um, so after I, I listened to him and, and I, and the next day I just stopped picking up my phone on them. Imagine you're like 33 years old. I'm not 18 years old to go make a bunch of new friends, right? Mm-hmm. It's scary, right? And I stopped talking to them and you know, my life. Blasted. Mm. I built a clinic from scratch. All these awakened, just from making these changes, just making these changes. All these awakened spiritual goddesses came into my life that were high vibrational. I had space [00:49:00] because I was like drowning with these girls. Right? And they were taking me with them. Yeah. The wrong friends. Can ruin your whole life. Yeah, I can like the wrong partner. It's like, it's exactly the same thing. It could be the wrong, same thing. And I was, you know, they were, you know, very mean and very judgmental, not doing the spiritual work. And I was in that group for a really long time and I. Was disconnected to myself because I was such a hard critic on myself. Right. 'cause of them. Right. You know, so Dr. Taz: I, you know, it's so frustrating 'cause we know so much nowadays and we talk about these. Topics that I think were not talked about when I was growing up, or when I was in my twenties, or even my early thirties. But I see young women today, you know, whether they're coming into the clinic or I meet them, you know, wherever. And I still don't think they're in their bodies. Like I still think they're disconnected from their bodies and I still think, you know, I would love to cut short. This [00:50:00] journey that it takes many of us till 40 or even 50 to get to in terms of self-realization and alignment and, you know, being able to say no to people and being able to, to really, to like live in your truth, you know? And I think I get, I. Frustrated, you know, that, you know, how do we get this message to them? How do we get this message to younger women about getting back into your body connect, you know, they get scared. Now they're hearing inflammation's on the rise. I'm, I'm saying it. Along with everybody else, inflammation's on the rise breast, cancer's on the rise. In younger women, there's more toxicity in the environment. You know, there's more autoimmune disease, there's a mental health crisis. You know, they're hearing these messages, but I don't think women today are hearing the message of reconnect to your body to truly stay healthy, and it's just one message. Reconnecting to your body means embracing the power of your intuition to [00:51:00] understand who the right people are. Mm-hmm. The right opportunities are, you know, who to surround yourself, who the right partner will be, because when you're not, like you're saying you make wrong decisions and your life takes a turn, goes this way, and it takes you a really long time to unwind from all of that damage. Some women never do, and oftentimes that is when these diagnoses show up, you know, so I. I don't know. I'm just spinning here, but I, I just feel like if, if you are watching and listening to this show and there are younger women in your life, we want them to hear this message, and I don't know if you would add to any of that. Jasmine Khorsandi: I think it's beautiful. You spoke for the both of us trusting that intuition. I was scared to trust it because it's scary to let go of the, the known. But guess what? The unknown is so much better for you. God's plan is so much bigger and better for you if you have that gut feeling that something's wrong. That's God nudging you. Mm. That's God [00:52:00] nudging you. He will keep nudging you until it gets louder and louder and louder. Dr. Taz: And the more you're in touch with yourself, the more you can hear that yes. Noise. You don't Jasmine Khorsandi: wanna wait until it's a serious loud and something serious happens. That's what disease is too. There's nudges all the time. People always say, I knew. I knew. I knew. I wish I listened. Yeah, Dr. Taz: right. They also say disease. If you look back, they als also say, disease is a spiritual wake up call. Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh. A hundred percent. Dr. Taz: It's, it's, it's not a sentence the way we think about it in today's world and in, you know, modern medicine, it is more of a wake up call. Yes. And it's, uh, the call for you to wake up and get back into alignment with, you know, whatever, whatever reason you're here and whatever it is that you are, you're not doing that thing. 'cause you're not Jasmine Khorsandi: listening. Right. You're not listening. Right. Yeah. And that's why that happens for you to. Get in touch with your intuition to get in touch with your mind, body, and spirit to wake up, [00:53:00] Hey, this is not working. God will do mysterious things to wake you up. That's why we're here in this mitsu, to learn the lessons, to grow, to expand, to shift to change if it's not working things. Happen for you to wake up? Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. Jasmine Khorsandi: You said Dr. Taz: it so well. I don't think we could say it any better. All right. So you have the Sonos Clinic, you're opening up more clinics. Yes, correct. We're where do you intend to head next? Jasmine Khorsandi: So next, we're definitely going to couple more clinics in la. We wanna go to New York, we wanna go to Texas. We just wanna spread this amazing option to women all over the world. Dr. Taz: And if you could tell women. One thing from your observation, one place to start, what would you tell them? Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say start getting in touch with your body. Hmm. Start trusting your [00:54:00] intuition. That's God guiding you. Ugh. Dr. Taz: Powerful. All right, last question. What makes you whole? We ask everybody who comes on the show that question, what fills your cup? You kind of answered it, but what fills your cup? What makes you whole? Where do you hear that voice? The best. What Jasmine Khorsandi: fills my cup? My 3-year-old niece fills my cup. Oh, I love that. Yeah, we're super close. So we have a play date once a week. Oh my gosh. And we have so much fun. I love that. It's like we go to the beach, we go to the Santa Monica Pier, we have dance parties, we go to the beach. And that raw love your mother, you understand is a love I feel like I've never experienced before. So having that really fills my cup. Incredible. And if someone wants to learn more about you, people can find information on my website, uh, sauna [00:55:00] breast.com or Instagram. They could go on my Instagram and message me if they have any questions about my journey, about the feminine energy. That's something that I love talking about because it changed me and I would love to share wisdom and. Help guide women on that because that's your health. Dr. Taz: Our breasts are a part of our femininity. Yeah. And I think there is something to that area being so affected nowadays. So I encourage everybody watching and listening to reach out to Jasmine or to at least pay more attention to their breast health and get back in touch with her femininity. And if you're a young woman, get off the rat race. Understand your direction because you have a lot of amazing things ahead of you. Yes. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Whole Plus, be sure to share this episode with your friends and family. And if you haven't already, please take a moment to subscribe to this podcast on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. To engage with the community, follow at Live Whole [00:56:00] Plus and check out our website whole plus.co. That's HOL ps.co. For more resources and information on holistic health, see you next time.