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- 0:00I wanna call like 2026.
- 0:01The rebounding year.
- 0:02Yes.
- 0:02Right.
- 0:03Like we are going to rebound.
- 0:04We had a negative absorption year in 2025.
- 0:08I don't remember that the last time that happened.
- 0:11It's been a while.
- 0:11Yeah.
- 0:12And I, I think that given your point about the tenant activity
- 0:16specifically on the larger deals.
- 0:18We're gonna have a really good first half of 2026.
- 0:21So, so that's a, a, a prediction of ours.
- 0:38Welcome to our Industrial Advisors podcast.
- 0:41You have Bill Condon, Matt McGregor.
- 0:43We're doing our 2025 review, and we'll jump into some of the
- 0:46numbers and, and recap the year.
- 0:48Don't love what the numbers say, but very excited about 2000, uh, and 26.
- 0:53But let's start where we always do.
- 0:55And that's that kind of three dynamic factors in a prediction.
- 0:58Yeah.
- 0:58Um, for what's going on.
- 1:00That's right.
- 1:00So three dynamic factors.
- 1:02Wrapping up 2025 first would be, unfortunately it's a negative, highest
- 1:07vacancy of our career, and we'll get into the numbers, but we surpassed the
- 1:11highest vacancy in our career was kind of that 2010, 11 timeframe before the
- 1:16market turned around and went on a, basically an 11 year run reducing that.
- 1:20But we, this last quarter, unfortunately, we, we surpassed that.
- 1:24And then the second most dynamic thing is a big uptick.
- 1:28In late Q4 and certainly rolling into this year, but certainly of big user activity.
- 1:34So there's about 5 million feet and a few, you know, handful, small handful
- 1:39of deals, six, seven deals out there that would potentially occupy about
- 1:43between purchases and leases, about 5 million feet, and that's much needed.
- 1:48Yeah, it'll help with absorption and, and, and the rebound of, of 2026.
- 1:52That's right.
- 1:53And then of course, the final thing, another positive is really, I would
- 1:58call it almost an epic interest in land.
- 2:00We're seeing unbelievable amount of offers given that we're the highest
- 2:05vacancy we've been in our career.
- 2:07You wouldn't think that's the case, but man, is there an interest in land
- 2:10and we're closing land transactions?
- 2:12Yeah, I think that that's a good point.
- 2:14We've closed a lot.
- 2:15We also happen to have the best, in my opinion right now, the
- 2:18best land site on the west coast available for sale for sure.
- 2:21It's big.
- 2:22It's in a fantastic location.
- 2:23Yeah.
- 2:24And the offers are reflecting that Yeah.
- 2:26From a number standpoint, but from a depth of offered standpoint as well.
- 2:31Yes.
- 2:31Um, so it, it, what that tells me is.
- 2:33Belief in this market.
- 2:35Right.
- 2:35For sure.
- 2:35And, and I don't, I don't, in, in a time that you would say, their numbers may say,
- 2:40don't believe that location's bulletproof.
- 2:43Oh, I agree.
- 2:44Yeah.
- 2:44I'm just saying you and I were both surprised and it's huge.
- 2:47Yeah.
- 2:47But how at the depth really, not only on that side being the best
- 2:50side in the west coast and maybe the best site available in the country.
- 2:52Yeah.
- 2:52From industrial perspective.
- 2:54But you and I we're both optimistically surprised about the volume of offers,
- 3:00volume and volume even on other stuff.
- 3:03We just sold the Art of site in South Seattle.
- 3:05Right?
- 3:06Yeah.
- 3:06Shocking how many offers.
- 3:07Yeah.
- 3:08Site in F Frederickson we had really good activity and so yeah,
- 3:10so I believe that, you know, again, in the core areas of the market.
- 3:16Land is back.
- 3:17That's right.
- 3:18Land is back, baby.
- 3:19And then from a prediction, prediction standpoint, uh, I I want to call like
- 3:232026, the rebounding year, right?
- 3:25Yes.
- 3:25Like we are going to rebound, we had a negative absorption year in 2025.
- 3:30I don't remember that the last time that happened.
- 3:33It's been a while.
- 3:33Yeah.
- 3:34And I, I think that given your point about the tenant activity specifically
- 3:39on the larger deals, we're gonna have a really good first half of 2026.
- 3:43So, so that's a, a, a prediction of ours.
- 3:46Agreed.
- 3:46Yeah.
- 3:47Let's jump into the numbers.
- 3:48Uh, let's do it.
- 3:48Let's start talking about overall vacancy.
- 3:52So we always bifurcate this between the entire market and then
- 3:55removing the north and east market.
- 3:58Right?
- 3:58So the true valley, so the total market including the north is 9.3 unfortunately.
- 4:06And that's up percent vacant.
- 4:07Yeah.
- 4:07Yeah.
- 4:07Percent vacant.
- 4:08That's up from 8.9 at the end of Q3.
- 4:11And then if you remove the North and east market and just
- 4:13talk about the Valley South.
- 4:15Unfortunately, it's 9.9 up from 9.2, so a big jump in the last quarter.
- 4:21And then the net absorption numbers unfortunately were negative
- 4:25just under 1.6 million feet.
- 4:27Yeah, and if you take just a quick dive into the submarkets, you know
- 4:30the Seattle close end markets, 9.3% vacant, Kent Valley's 9.4.
- 4:34It's pretty close.
- 4:35Pierce County is actually 11.6.
- 4:37Part of that had to do with some new deliveries.
- 4:39Deliveries, yeah.
- 4:39Uh, that, you know, is where I think a lot of those bigger tenants will land, and so
- 4:43that, that should come down quite a bit.
- 4:45Mm-hmm.
- 4:45Thurston County's only 5.8, so yeah, that, that totals to
- 4:48about 9.9 Overall vacancy rate.
- 4:51Under 10.
- 4:52Under double digits.
- 4:53Under.
- 4:53Yeah.
- 4:54There you go.
- 4:54Positive lining of that.
- 4:55Yeah.
- 4:55Yeah.
- 4:56And then the lowest vacancy continues to be that both the 10 to 25, and
- 5:01then that would be your lowest, and then 26, call it to about 50,000 feet.
- 5:06Both of those.
- 5:07In the mid four ranges, and then the highest continues to be both
- 5:11the 100 to 200 at about 12.2% and then greater than 200 at 12.2,
- 5:18which has jumped considerably.
- 5:20Yeah.
- 5:20The, the one to 12.9.
- 5:21Yeah.
- 5:21Yeah.
- 5:21The, with the one to 200 is 12.9.
- 5:24The 200 plus is 12.2.
- 5:26That's right.
- 5:26Uh, so that, that is consistent with where the market's been.
- 5:29That one to 200 range has, you know, continued to, to struggle.
- 5:33It's gone up.
- 5:34Every quarter for probably the last six quarters.
- 5:37I don't have those numbers in front of me, but last, last
- 5:39quarter it was 12.7, it's now 12.9.
- 5:41So, and a lot of that space is that kind of Class B commodity type space.
- 5:45That's right.
- 5:46And I, I think it's easy to predict based on our earlier conversation, that
- 5:50that big box market greater than 200, jumped 120 basis points in one quarter.
- 5:56'cause of deliveries.
- 5:57Yeah.
- 5:57It's gonna collapse back down.
- 6:00When some of these transactions and leases go through on the larger side, 'cause
- 6:04you're gonna all of a sudden lose a few million feet of that in that size range
- 6:07so that you're gonna see a big drop off.
- 6:09Yeah.
- 6:09Those are the buildings that are gonna lease.
- 6:11That's right.
- 6:11So that market will come down.
- 6:13I, I think that.
- 6:14It's gonna take some time in that one to 200 range to get back down into
- 6:18single digits, just given, given the amount of product that's actually there.
- 6:21So we'll keep a close eye on that.
- 6:23Yeah.
- 6:23And then a couple of the newer deals to talk about, uh, really the, the one I
- 6:28would just highlight one of the larger ones was the red dot building in Tukwila.
- 6:33The old Yeah.
- 6:34To, to a soccer club, which continues this pickleball soccer, baseball.
- 6:39Like it's kind of insane with the amount of deals we're
- 6:42seeing in that, in that space.
- 6:44Yeah.
- 6:44I think a couple things on that.
- 6:46We are seeing more of that kind of recreational type use.
- 6:49Mm-hmm.
- 6:50For a couple reasons.
- 6:50One, the vacancies up, and so landlords are more open to doing
- 6:54those type of deals for sure.
- 6:55And lower credit.
- 6:56But I will also say that all of those sports have become increasingly
- 7:02popular, which has led to better credit for those entities, if you remember.
- 7:0710 years ago, 15 years ago, if you got a call on one of those things, it
- 7:10was like, we're not doing that deal.
- 7:11We're not doing that.
- 7:12Now you, you actually look at, you know, we did a tennis deal earlier
- 7:15in the year for 125,000 feet.
- 7:17The credit was good, right?
- 7:19And so we went into a building, freestanding building that, that was
- 7:21a good fit for that particular use.
- 7:24So why wouldn't you do that deal?
- 7:25But you're seeing the, the soccer.
- 7:27Deal the same thing.
- 7:27They went into a Brookfield building that had been sitting vacant for a while.
- 7:32I don't know what their credit is.
- 7:33We didn't see, but I'm assuming it's, you know, they're comfortable with it.
- 7:36I would think so they, so they do the deal.
- 7:38Yeah.
- 7:38And then, I mean, we're looking at doing a baseball deal right now
- 7:42and I, and we did a tennis deal.
- 7:43Yeah.
- 7:44And I know the baseball guys.
- 7:45Uh, really well because I'm in that world and that credit's get
- 7:50it's rock solid because Yeah.
- 7:51It's different than it used to be.
- 7:52To your point, select Sports has pushed a lot of these recreational type uses Yeah.
- 7:56Into good credit entities.
- 7:58Yeah.
- 7:58It used to be the, the single coach or some guy that had a little bit of money.
- 8:02Yeah.
- 8:02You know Right.
- 8:03Wanted to go and, and lease.
- 8:04And now you have actual organizations Correct.
- 8:06To your point.
- 8:07And you have financial partners behind it.
- 8:09That's right.
- 8:09Yeah.
- 8:10And the demand is.
- 8:11Considerably up to your point.
- 8:13I mean, we should run a study and just look at last year.
- 8:16Probably should have done it for this, but I'll bet there was an
- 8:19easy million feet of sports deals.
- 8:22Yeah.
- 8:23Oh, for, yeah, I would agree with that.
- 8:24When you look at this one, we pickleball tennis, the pickleball, soccer.
- 8:26Yeah.
- 8:27All that.
- 8:27I bet there was a million feet.
- 8:28Well, there was four or five pickleball deals done, so, yeah.
- 8:30Interesting.
- 8:31Can you talk a little bit about capital markets?
- 8:32Capital markets?
- 8:33Yeah.
- 8:33Yeah.
- 8:33Uh, good, good year.
- 8:34Overall, I think for capital markets, I think we've had, from a, from a volume
- 8:38standpoint, our best year since 2022, so.
- 8:42Alright.
- 8:42It's an above average year if you just look at the last 10 years too.
- 8:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 8:46I mean, it's, it's, and we saw it, you know, we saw it in the first
- 8:50part of the year last year as just, you know, investors came back.
- 8:54Uh, they were selective about what they went after, but they were aggressive
- 8:57on the stuff that they wanted.
- 8:58So that was really good to see.
- 9:00So about 8.4 million feet of transactions.
- 9:04For just under 1.8 billion.
- 9:07Yeah.
- 9:071.8 billion in in 2025 Sales volume.
- 9:10Yeah.
- 9:11And $213 a foot was your.
- 9:14Price per square foot down from last year.
- 9:17And so that continues to to drop as lease rates obviously drop.
- 9:21But yeah, to your point, let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4.
- 9:24In the last 10 years, this was the fifth best year, and it's our best year
- 9:28to your point, since 2022, it beats 2020, and it was just about on par with
- 9:34with 19, which was a very good year.
- 9:37So I would say overall capital markets are back.
- 9:40Probably just, you know, with, I would say with the exception of, you know, vacancy.
- 9:44Yeah.
- 9:45I think that there is starting to be more of a, a risk for vacancy if
- 9:49there's a story around it, right?
- 9:51Yep.
- 9:52We sold a building to an investor.
- 9:54It's 130,000 square foot building in Kent, and it's been a single
- 9:58tenant building its whole life.
- 10:00That building's gonna get chopped up to five or six different tenants.
- 10:03Really good approach for that particular market.
- 10:05So I think it depends.
- 10:06I think there is more of an appetite for vacancy today
- 10:09than there was even a year ago.
- 10:11If the building's well located and there's a story there that's right.
- 10:14And then the port is down about three point half percent and it's, it's
- 10:17interesting for as high as the vacancy is.
- 10:21I feel like it's busy, but it's just because it doesn't feel like
- 10:252008, nine, and 10 that was just, felt like nothing was going on.
- 10:29Yeah.
- 10:29I mean it, I, I think that the market feels, feels better.
- 10:33A lot better than it did back then.
- 10:34Yeah.
- 10:35And you know, it's so funny because Momentum is, is in this business
- 10:39is just a really powerful thing.
- 10:41You start seeing a couple big deals get done and then it's like
- 10:45all of a sudden those are getting done, but then that leads to the
- 10:48deals right below them, right?
- 10:50The a hundred to 200 start to transact and, and so I think it's gonna set
- 10:54the pace for the market, getting a couple of these bigger deal deals
- 10:57done, and that'll also impact.
- 11:00Investor demand.
- 11:01Right.
- 11:02Even more.
- 11:03Right.
- 11:03So I like where we're heading and into kind of a recovery
- 11:07year in 2026, prediction.
- 11:09Uh, the last and most important prediction is Super Bowl.
- 11:12I know what you're gonna say.
- 11:14Yeah.
- 11:14Um, well, I was fortunate enough to bet the Seahawk.
- 11:19Both of us.
- 11:20Yes.
- 11:21Plus I don't think you could have better odds.
- 11:23Plus 6,600 your Yeah, yours was better than mine.
- 11:26Yeah.
- 11:26So a hundred pays you 6,600 I believe in the Hawks.
- 11:29The hawks are gonna go to the Super Bowl.
- 11:30Hawks are gonna win the Super Bowl.
- 11:32I dunno who they're gonna play.
- 11:33Maybe Buffalo.
- 11:35If Josh Allen mean he is best football player in the world.
- 11:37Wow.
- 11:37That's a big prediction.
- 11:38Their defense isn't very good.
- 11:39But man, that guy is so good.
- 11:41I, I don't know, man.
- 11:42I think I put my money on him outta the afc or surprised him.
- 11:45Could be the Chargers.
- 11:46Yeah.
- 11:47Outta the A FC.
- 11:48Yeah, that would be interesting.
- 11:49We'll see.
- 11:50Yeah, for sure.
- 11:50Uh, yeah, my prediction is we win the Super Bowl.
- 11:53Unless we have to play the Rams, we're probably gonna see them again.
- 11:56That would, that would suck.
- 11:57Nah, we're a better team.
- 11:58We're just better Yeah.
- 11:59Than everybody.
- 12:00So there you go.
- 12:0225 is wrapped up.
- 12:04Really excited about where we're heading in 2026.
- 12:07I think it's gonna be a really good year across the board and, uh, the momentum
- 12:11will just carry forward each quarter.
- 12:12Last prediction, vacancy goes from 9.9.
- 12:16Two by the end of the year, 7.6.
- 12:20I would, yeah.
- 12:21That, that sounds like a good prediction.
- 12:22I would agree.
- 12:22Somewhere in the mid seventies.
- 12:24Yeah.
- 12:24On the way back in, in, in the 3% range in like two years, so That's right.
- 12:27We'll see what happens.
- 12:28All right.
- 12:28Thank you.
- 12:29Happy New Year.