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Rating the 2025 CrossFit Games · The Spin Podcast

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  great solution this week today, tonight viewer comments.
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  We got a lot of comments from Tyler and my show on Sunday
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  night, so. I was not a part of this,
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  correct? That's correct.
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  You were you were out doing your own thing on I'm excited.
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  I'd been home like an hour. John and I was like, let's go.
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  That's. Right.
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  We're going to rate the games. So as you saw on Instagram
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  Stories, we're going to go through a whole bunch of topics
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  of the games. We'll give ourselves a rating or
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  give give that topic a rating one to 10 and then have a little
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  discussion. Tyler made people angry.
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  So we'll talk about the P score and see what whether Jason
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  Hopper should have been crowned the fittest on Earth blind
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  rankings with input from you guys.
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  I got hundreds of comments about the most memorable.
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  Like I can literally scroll for a good 30 seconds just flipping
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  and then what's after this? So we will get right into it.
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  Viewer comments. All right.
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  First one at Juan Estevez, 1300. Is HWPO the new comp train?
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  Oh goodness gracious, coming out swinging.
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  Hey, back then I was Matt Fraser, but now I'm Matt
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  O'Keefe. I mean I don't hate the take
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  dude. Who does?
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  Who does HWPO have left? Well now that Brooke is retired
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  they currently have 0 games athletes.
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  I believe Sam Quant is still with HWPO but.
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  I think Kale Lehman's still with HWPO.
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  I. Think they don't claim him?
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  I think Greeshaver's still with HWPO.
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  OK. They're they're there's, they're
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  out there. But I mean, I don't even think
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  what's funny. It's like it's not the people
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  that like say hey, well I'm HWPO, like Sam just works out in
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  his freaking garage all day. Hey, I'm going to blow up Brute
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  right now. I don't think we'll get into
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  this later, so I want to take the opportunity now.
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  No one's really talked about this yet, but the the example
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  that Jason creates for what happens if you do good
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  programming is incredible. You go from HWPO, you literally
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  kind of want to quit the sport. You're over trained, you don't
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  score well, and then you go to winning the games in three
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  years. Are you kidding me?
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  It's three years, right? Shall we know he was there in
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  23? So 2 years?
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  23 years is a bad year. Yeah, I mean root strength and
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  proven I think are. I.
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  Don't think you can go wrong with that.
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  I think Proven did a lot of good things, man.
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  Like their athletes just seemed very prepared.
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  I was just very like, you have to think Olivia's move.
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  I know she went in there very a long time, but just being in
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  that environment with Tia. I mean, she's been a, she's been
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  a proven athlete for two years, a year now, two years now.
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  But I still like it's not like a lifelong proven deal is what I'm
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  saying. Even her like Ricky, like just
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  athletes who have made moves to proven right.
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  J Maddie. I just I think Peruvians doing a
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  lot of good things. Like, don't get me wrong, brute
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  strength probably still holds the title as having like the
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  best like top five big dogs, right?
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  Like at least on the men's side, for sure.
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  You think of the top five, three out of five of them are brute.
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  Jason Sprague, Dallin. Allen Right.
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  But I think proven it's doing a lot of good things too.
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  How about this comment from pool boy?
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  What's so fascinating is people who are on on pool boys level
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  competition wise. Like fringe, semi semi, final
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  level. I know no one who does brute but
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  so many do HWPO, proven and even underdogs.
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  Do they have like a a lot of? Programming and I think This is
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  why they are successful is they do not push that very much like
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  proven HWPO like I feel like that's.
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  Him. They made him for sure.
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  They push that out more than anything.
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  Like that's their main marketing ploy is to get affiliates on
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  these programs. Brute pushes their
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  individualized coaching like, Hey, like we want to make you
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  better, right? But like it's, it's, it's for
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  the competitor. It's not necessarily pushing for
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  like affiliates to do their their programming.
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  It's just different marketing place.
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  But, but like you see the success they have with top
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  athletes and I think they just that that's what they want to
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  focus on. I can't speak for them, but
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  that's what it appears appears like.
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  Daniel Arntzen moving up to the front of the line on the
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  comments for 499. Thank you paying for my
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  nonsensical comment. Games coming to North Carolina,
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  2026. I believe it'll be in Carson,
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  but. You think Carson, huh?
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  That's a rumor. I would say it's enough that
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  it's not a rumor. Like something would have to go.
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  Wrong. What's above a rumor but not
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  confirmed? I just said.
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  It was going to. Happen.
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  Do do you think Carson is viable for that?
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  I think for the 20th year, yeah. How so?
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  I think I, I think if they here's it's the ownership.
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  Ownership is about to go to whoever.
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  We don't know a lot of people involved.
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  We'll see, right, But it's going to take time for all that
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  paperwork to go through for the changes to happen.
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  Like for your your new team, who's going to be those new
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  people to get in involved in the space.
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  And like this is what we're doing.
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  I think they give Dave one more year.
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  I think they're like, hey, 2026 is your even though it's sold.
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  And then it gives them like a whole year to like get their
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  bearings and be like, OK, This is why we're going to go move
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  forward. This is the next chapter.
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  But like they give themselves a a whole, a whole year to get
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  that situated. And that way they're ahead of it
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  instead of behind it. And just trying to, you know,
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  book things super fast. The way kind of Albany happened.
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  Not, not, you know, 'cause Albany was so rushed, right?
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  I think they go to Carson. I think it'll be Dave's last
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  year and he almost has like this ceremonious like they.
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  Play a video for him. Yeah, dude.
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  And like and like it it like is very like touchy feely and like
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  it maybe not touchy, but very, very like like but like.
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  Really. Right.
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  And like and like, it'll be just a super nice send off to Dave,
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  you know what I mean? And like what he's given to the
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  community where you like if whether you like him or hate
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  him, like, and Carson is next to him, you know, I just think
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  that's what's going to happen. I'm waiting for the move Max
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  games so. I wouldn't count your chickens.
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  16 days long, 14 events a day. Every workout is an hour plus.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What?
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  What? You know, you don't.
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  You don't know. Exactly.
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  It does every day. I'm telling, I'm telling.
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  Hey, hey, hey, you know, you can make fun if you want.
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  I'm telling you right now, it's hairier than you think.
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  Can't wait, can't wait for some. It's been You should know this
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  like you should be on time. I, I, I you should know this.
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  I don't know anything you're talking about Joe Bravo Dollar
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  99. Does the P&P score stand for
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  proven? Yeah, they paid for the the
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  sponsorship. That article is sponsored by
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  Proven I think maybe not. Next up golf sicko 22.
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  So this guy has sicko mode. Great comments.
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  Spins takes are so bad next. One, that's it.
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  That was. That's it, that's it.
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  I don't know what takes were bad, I guess all of them on
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  Sunday night, but golf Sicko 22, Lee Frazier 999 Lee always
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  supporting us. Thank you the spin my favorite
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  podcast team. So thank you Lee.
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  Sharon Ann 22. I don't know if Sharon Ann 22 is
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  related to Golf Sicko 22 but Sharon Ann gave us 5 bucks so.
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  Thank you. Thanks, Sharon.
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  Yeah, thank you guys. That's all it was.
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  Speaking of 5 bucks or close to it, No flag hopper.
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  Brute didn't prepare me to bring a flag.
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  Did he not have AUS flag with him?
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  Come on, I. Think he had a flag?
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  Are you an American? I don't know.
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  I I think he had a flag, but maybe he didn't.
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  South Carolina's, like reluctantly American.
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  They're their own country. OK, charmed by Chelsea 2113.
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  Can we talk about how Jason left HWPO and now he won?
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  We can. I just.
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  I just I just. Intended.
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  I did. Yeah, I did.
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  I did at Darold 4 MI's. I don't know the games this year
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  in my book was a 10 out of 10 because of the excitement of the
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  men's field. Exciting.
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  Good. We'll find out if we agree with.
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  Yeah, I think we're going to have some varying opinions on.
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  That the world for RMM is Mikor Owen.
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  Mahikor Owen 8 out of 10. I miss the swim component.
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  I think if Tia retires it won't be the same.
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  So definitely Mikor agrees with John.
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  This is a great ambassador for CrossFit.
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  I would like her to win 10 times and then retire.
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  I think, yeah, I think everybody feels that way now.
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  Especially John. Yeah.
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  No, no, no, I've changed my tune.
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  Oh. Wow.
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  Yeah, Yeah, yeah. I actually I talked with Tia for
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  the first time, nothing crazy, but I've met Tia for the first
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  time. I love that Lucy and this will
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  go into our rating the games that Lucy took it to Tia in a
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  couple events where like there is nothing Tia could do that
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  woman over there named Lucy Campbell is better and she broke
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  Tia an event 4 broke her so badly that Haley even came back.
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  She made two posts like like it wasn't like and and that brought
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  so much excitement to the women's field, at least for me
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  and and like she's still dominated right.
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  She won by 182 points. But Lucy Campbell made the
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  women's field exciting for me. Even though, you know, T is
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  going to win, there would be events where.
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  Oh, by like, like, like even events T is good at.
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  Yeah. The Lucy's greatest thing is
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  aerobic capacity, and that's all that's T is.
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  Best thing. Thing is, T is strong.
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  Lucy's not but. And.
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  ASP has got a lot of. TT is T is crazy skilled and and
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  Lucy's not as skilled, but but and I it's not about Lucy
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  beating Tia. It's just the fact that she can
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  be like, no, Tia, I'm winning this workout.
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  You aren't winning like that to me is amazing and that's
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  awesome. And that made the games fun for
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  me on the women's field. And then you can focus on the
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  the other stories too. Like, you know, Olivia getting
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  third is awesome, right? There was a little bit of a race
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  for 3rd place. The women's field obviously is
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  not the men's field with excitement, but there were
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  things that were exciting on the women's field largely because of
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  Lucy Cameron. Yeah.
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  That's fair. Let me see.
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  Let me go up. Here and that makes me like Tia
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  more like all that to say is I don't mind Tia's dominance if
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  there is somebody that can beat her and sent in.
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  Yeah, you get. You like to see the champ fall
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  every now and again. You do like like.
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  Is this true? Tyler is.
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  This true? And then I think it's just the
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  basement, better from the basement.
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  And then that makes that makes the events where Tia just like
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  decides to, for lack of a better word, Dick slap everybody like
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  like event 8, right, Event 8 or she just wins by a minute.
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  Like that makes those events more fun to be like, gosh, man,
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  she's so good. Like she's so dominant.
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  I enjoy those events more after event 4.
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  I have AI have a photo from the photographer that was there that
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  was shooting for me and it's just Tia sitting on a Yeti
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  cooler I think it is, and just sitting there at the finish line
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  and I think it was on the Event 8.
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  Just sitting there just like watching everybody else come in.
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  Whenever they come in like I'm here, I'm just sitting like I
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  don't look like I'm dying. I'm totally cool.
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  Clive McLaughlin 499 lbs, 4 champs in five years since
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  Frazier. Does a new champ year on year
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  make it see? Does a new champ year on year
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  make it seem more like luck of the draw?
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  Does Dallin Pepper get a turn? Hatfield after.
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  I think there's literally 9 guys who can win the games and go
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  ahead Tyler. All of the same guys were at the
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  top of the leaderboard. It's not luck of the draw it it.
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  These guys are all the best and I think they're very closely
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  matched. And so it's just like who who
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  planned it right? Who executed correctly?
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  It's anybody's game. And it's like kind of think
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  about it how we've had one dominant champ, we have 3 or 4
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  huge forces now that we get to watch battle it out every single
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  year. I would say I would say 6.
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  Yeah, and so and. There are three guys that like
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  intertwine with those 6. Maybe aunt can't win, but like
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  would intertwine with the with the six.
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  Does that make? Sense they can fit on the podium
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  and. Like like Medeiros, right, or
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  Roman and and Jay right. But then and then but then you
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  have your guys in the podium, James and then you and then
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  Jason. I would put Austin in in the
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  intertwining group or could win Allen and then Jeff Adler.
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  You can put him wherever you want to put him.
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  I actually made like Ajy report card, like where my picks, like
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  how my picks ranked for what actually happened and I'll post
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  that later on. But it's one of my biggest
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  misses is not being able to see Jeff Adler's collapse.
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  And that's like, I, we might not get talked about much, but man,
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  it just felt like, like he's done just just like, like.
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  He wasn't. Like, you didn't even recognize,
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  like, realize he was there, like events that you thought he would
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  be in the hunt. It was like, where's Jeff?
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  Oh, he's on the side of the, you know, he's in lane 8 or 9 and.
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  You know, it looked like he didn't want to hurt, you know
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  what I mean? He, he failed for 75 squat.
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  I mean, he used to be strong. He'd have that on all of them.
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  He's stronger than all of them. The reason why Jeff can win is
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  'cause he's faster than all of them when you run, and he's
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  stronger than all of them when you lift.
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  And then he's pretty skilled. Yeah, for for Jeff not to be
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  right there on running Isabel. Not even that dude, his fail at
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  475 on the back squat when he failed 475 on back squat.
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  And I know he's been hurt and I know he can't lift that.
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  It's still a part of it. That's still like I'll tell it's
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  a big part of it. You can't win the games if you
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  can't squat 475. And I know he came back later to
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  hit it, but still you fail like Jeff should be squatting 515 and
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  like that's that's what he has on those guys.
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  And if he's not strong anymore, he can't win the games.
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  But he's not in the running because he's not that you have
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  to be. That's what he had over
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  everybody else was that he was stronger and he was faster.
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  I said Tia's going to get pregnant.
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  Tia could win the games seven months pregnant and I don't know
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  if it would be healthy. I don't know if it would be good
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  for that baby. But if you could, if you, I
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  would love to run this experiment like on a computer,
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  if you could, like when rocky boxes like a rocky simulation,
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  right, dude, If you could ensure that that baby was was gonna be
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  fine. And like, yeah, girl, you can,
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  you can burpee like you're like if you could just make sure the
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  baby's gonna be all right no matter what circumstance it is.
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  I think seven months pregnant to you can win the games. 7 might
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  be too much when you start showing 6 like like she would
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  have like the baby bump that you see like when whenever that term
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  is that is. She could win the games during
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  that that time. I don't know why this is a
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  question, but I'll take the $2.00.
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  John, what's the capital of Denmark?
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  John will know Amsterdam. It's good enough for me.
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  And you win. You win.
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  Is this Kasper Kakper? Kakper Bronny.
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  Kakper, Bronny, When you stack up Tia's scores with that of
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  guys for each event, she would only finish 10th or so.
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  In the men's field. I thought I thought it was
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  Copenhagen, but I. Denmark in the Netherlands.
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  I was too scared. They're all they all get.
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  They're all. Combined up there.
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  Copenhagen The. Same thing.
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  When you stack up the Tia's scores with that of the guys for
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  each event, she would only finish 10th or so in the men's
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  field if you don't change the weights.
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  Yeah, you got to change that's. What I think that's what.
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  Yeah, but the way it's matter like event 9, she'd get last
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  place. This is incredibly pertinent to
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  the argument this morning, yeah. It's Kecker Bryson, yeah.
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  Kecker, are you? Bryson yeah, I don't know.
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  I mean. I don't think she would she
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  would last place in the Minsfield, but she's near the
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  bottom just because you gotta think in the the run row run,
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  she gets a 7th place right in the deficit handstand push up
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  workout, like I think she finishes 20th place in that.
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  Like with that, the bigger deficit and more cows like there
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  are workouts that. She does get points.
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  She she, she only needs a couple 100 points.
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  Any workout with weights though she's she's probably getting
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  last place. 325 Where's that? Get her in the back squat last.
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  Yeah, yeah, dude, the deadlift workout, the deadlift workout,
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  she's getting last place. What?
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  What is workout 3, the pegboard front squat workout like?
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  She's getting last place. Boy, that'd be that'd be crazy
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  to watch her now now. But here's the thing now the
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  ski. And you get the ski and the bike
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  like she's probably getting last place.
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  Rope climbs and. She might could beat somebody in
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  the ski bar muscle up the the bike bar muscle up 1 because
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  it's just like people would blow up, you know what I mean?
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  The bike, the bike cows would get get there somewhat close.
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  What she what she finished on the biker 1.
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  They did the same reps. Which one was that?
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  Event 7. Was it the same reps on the
• 22:42
  bike? Hammer down.
• 22:43
  Throttle up or hammer down. It's hammer down.
• 22:46
  Hammer down, she got. 526. 520, yeah.
• 22:54
  That's what I'm saying. It was this.
• 22:55
  I'm pretty sure it was the same Kyle.
• 22:57
  So we can just kind of see here. 526 would have been 26th or
• 23:01
  27th. There you go.
• 23:02
  Do you see what I'm saying? Like she's getting points here
• 23:04
  and there, but I actually feel like this this games was had a
• 23:09
  had weights in almost every workout, whether that's light
• 23:13
  weights or or heavyweights, but I just he had weights in every
• 23:18
  workout so she would be near last place.
• 23:23
  Tia's not pregnant? I asked.
• 23:24
  Oh, Barry, Barry's on it. Good job.
• 23:27
  Thank you, Barry. David Arsenault.
• 23:32
  Is that the the the Arsenault guy that's.
• 23:35
  Mike. Oh, is that Mike Arsenault?
• 23:37
  Yeah. It's Michael David.
• 23:39
  Was this the lightest game in recent history?
• 23:42
  I think 2024 was the lightest game.
• 23:44
  In volume it was pretty low. I won't say it's the lowest, but
• 23:48
  it was pretty low in total reps, total reps there was. 60 reps
• 23:53
  with 350. They had a Max back squat.
• 23:57
  They did 45 thrusters with 135 lbs.
• 24:01
  I guess. They had a way best one to the
• 24:02
  gymnastics workouts. The deadlift was everything.
• 24:06
  I know, but it the, it being the deadlift for it to be volume
• 24:10
  that I like really consider. It's like you got to be over
• 24:14
  £400, you know what I'm saying? What workout has that ever?
• 24:20
  The the box jump four and the Cinco.
• 24:23
  Yeah, there was like 10 total deadlifts in Cinco.
• 24:28
  So there was also one. 100% with. 350 and 10 deadlifts with
• 24:33
  405 are not the same thing. You're on crack.
• 24:35
  Go do that workout. Go do that workout and tell me
• 24:38
  there was not much volume in that workout.
• 24:40
  The the. Handstand walk, deadlift.
• 24:42
  Yeah, yeah. Go through that workout to
• 24:44
  completion. You don't get time capped out
• 24:47
  and you tell me, come back and tell me this.
• 24:49
  This, I think this is one of the heavier games they've ever had.
• 24:52
  This reminds me of our our our draft.
• 24:57
  We'll get to that in a minute. Yeah, I'm probably having to do
• 25:00
  that one again. Next up I would do this John.
• 25:06
  At Craig Ross five, I think it was an average games, not enough
• 25:13
  variables in the style or workouts slash time domains
• 25:15
  etcetera. I miss outside.
• 25:17
  I miss workouts outside. I think that's Tyler's burner
• 25:22
  account. Could be at Auburn Payne
• 25:26
  programming was great, so we've got all kinds of everybody hold.
• 25:30
  On. Hold on, hold on.
• 25:31
  Hey, I want this person to comment then tell me what the
• 25:33
  heaviest games was. Tell me what a heavy games looks
• 25:36
  like and we'll and we'll compare.
• 25:39
  Sure, there were games probably heavier than this one.
• 25:42
  I bet this one is on the heavy side.
• 25:45
  Go look at 2024 and you tell me what that looks like right like
• 25:49
  like cardio games dude 60 everybody we.
• 25:53
  Didn't have the sledgehammer, it would have been heavy.
• 25:55
  Otherwise, heavy go do go do that workout with event 4
• 26:01
  because you guys are absolutely nuts.
• 26:03
  Not one round. Do the whole freaking workout
• 26:06
  and tell me oh that didn't mess me up at all.
• 26:13
  Auburn pain. The whole weekend was
• 26:14
  entertaining. My only wish was that it was
• 26:17
  longer. I blinked and it was all over.
• 26:21
  It did feel that way. And at Dan T3277, will you guys
• 26:27
  be covering anything about the WFP tour stop 2 or just ignoring
• 26:32
  it again apart from occasional drama posts on Instagram?
• 26:37
  Is is this? The same guy.
• 26:38
  This comment has appeared before.
• 26:40
  Maybe, I don't know. We've covered the WFP.
• 26:44
  Cover it all the time. Maybe it's on now what?
• 26:47
  Who knows. If you are new here, go leave a
• 26:51
  comment down there. If you're watching it, like it
• 26:54
  on replay. Maybe I'll read it next week.
• 26:57
  Your reactions are off, Tyler. Did I turn them off?
• 27:00
  I think I. Did maybe so, maybe so.
• 27:02
  So anyway, those are your viewer comments.
• 27:05
  Go like subscribe and leave a comment rating the games.
• 27:11
  Before we do that, should I, should I announce the results of
• 27:14
  our draft? Absolutely.
• 27:18
  So yeah, this was wild. It it it bounced around a lot.
• 27:22
  It bounced around a lot. I just know I was like in last
• 27:25
  for most of it. I was in last in event one and
• 27:28
  then like surged up the leaderboard.
• 27:30
  I was in first and then I was in 2nd and I was in 3rd and then
• 27:34
  who knows? What hard on on what?
• 27:36
  The pegboard or the handstand? No, it was.
• 27:41
  Which one was it? Event 8, going dark.
• 27:47
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:48
  That did not, did not do well. My men were the best of anybody.
• 27:54
  Congratulations. Shocker.
• 27:56
  My women were the worst of anybody.
• 28:01
  John was the most even between the two.
• 28:05
  Good job, John. I.
• 28:07
  Feel like we knew this going into the thing.
• 28:09
  In first place, winning by 41 points, Holy cow with 9374
• 28:22
  points. So you want this person won by
• 28:25
  41? It wouldn't spin.
• 28:27
  Tyler. Good job, Tyler.
• 28:31
  In 2nd place, 99 points ahead of third place.
• 28:37
  So out of 9000 points, we were within 100 and.
• 28:40
  Wait, hold on, Hold on, Tyler. Yeah.
• 28:42
  So it doesn't really count, right?
• 28:44
  That's that was. My entire point.
• 28:47
  This is my entire point dude. If you take if, what's the
• 28:51
  difference between her and Hopper nine O 2 versus 787 so.
• 29:00
  Oh man, it's a holy like. I lose.
• 29:04
  I lose if you just replace her with Jason.
• 29:09
  Go ahead, spin. Yeah, and in second place with
• 29:12
  9333 points, we'll tell you right after the break.
• 29:49
  Welcome back to the Spin. This build up is worse than the
• 29:52
  American Idol. It might be but for our grips.
• 29:55
  Go get yours. Code spin save 15% and 9333
• 30:00
  points in second place. John Young.
• 30:03
  Oh wow, got bailed out, almost made a comeback.
• 30:08
  How far are you behind? 41 points. 41 points the the
• 30:13
  last the last event John made-up.
• 30:18
  What is that? 74 points on the final event I
• 30:24
  made-up. I almost had 1000 points.
• 30:26
  The final event. I was like workouts 8 and 9.
• 30:31
  I just got pummeled and then made my comeback again.
• 30:35
  But no, I got last place. Spin has to do event one.
• 30:39
  Yeah, whatever my knee survives, I will go do Event 1.
• 30:43
  John. You got to do running, Isabel.
• 30:47
  Is that what I have to do? We actually did that today and
• 30:51
  I, I quit during it. I got 2.
• 30:55
  I got, yeah, I got 2 rounds in and I was on pace for like I was
• 31:00
  on pace for 2:50. So let's just say sub three
• 31:03
  because you're going to slow down a little bit.
• 31:06
  And I didn't want to feel that pain.
• 31:08
  I didn't, I knew what was coming and I did not.
• 31:11
  I didn't care to feel that pain at that moment.
• 31:14
  And I was like, Nope, I'm done. I don't want to do this.
• 31:19
  I don't want to do it anymore like.
• 31:21
  Well, now you get to do it for real now.
• 31:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
• 31:24
  Sounds good. It's gonna be great.
• 31:26
  Know what it feels like? All right, Rating the games.
• 31:29
  All right, one to 10. If I knew that, I would have
• 31:32
  kept going today. I did not know that that was.
• 31:34
  I forgot that that's second place I had to do.
• 31:37
  Well, let's look at like a warm up.
• 31:39
  All right, Only you 2 could answer this one.
• 31:42
  What ranking? Rating it one to 10.
• 31:45
  Albany, Albany, NY Tyler, you're there for what, 36 hours at
• 31:54
  best? At best?
• 31:57
  John, you were there forever. Yeah.
• 31:59
  How much? Not how much of actually Albany
• 32:01
  you saw, but. Are we going points?
• 32:04
  Are we just solid numbers? Just for this rating, rating 10
• 32:06
  one to 10. No, I'm being.
• 32:09
  Good. Like 3.4 or just hold numbers.
• 32:12
  Hold numbers. Hold numbers.
• 32:13
  I'm going to go. I'm going to go 8 out of 10.
• 32:19
  Albany, Albany, NY is A8 out of. 10 if I went into games, are we
• 32:24
  talking? About No Albany, NY Albany.
• 32:28
  Oh man, that's that's the reason it wasn't higher. 2 out of 10. 2
• 32:35
  out of 10. Yeah.
• 32:37
  If not edging on one. What was so bad about it?
• 32:42
  Dude, it's just big town. It didn't know what it wanted to
• 32:45
  be. Oh, it knew, and it died 885
• 32:49
  years ago. It it, it's just the whole city
• 32:52
  just feels rundown like it's it's and you would have never
• 32:57
  known. I I like, I thought Albany was
• 32:59
  going to be like like Uptown New York, like kind of like like
• 33:04
  rich looking, you know what I mean?
• 33:06
  And it was. Dude.
• 33:09
  I don't know. I've never been to the
• 33:10
  Northeast, but it it didn't, it didn't look great.
• 33:14
  It was not great. Being from Appalachia I've seen
• 33:18
  some shithole towns so I if I got an opinion on anything it's
• 33:22
  this one. This one goes.
• 33:24
  Total capital of. Shithole West Virginia.
• 33:27
  It is bad. It's gross A.
• 33:32
  Lot of crack. Streets, a lot of crack streets,
• 33:35
  like you just look down the street and you just see like
• 33:38
  almost feels like zombies like there's just like 6 people on
• 33:42
  the street just. Yeah, I saw my first person.
• 33:46
  Like. This weekend, you ever seen
• 33:49
  they, they like lean over and they're just like.
• 33:51
  We saw, we saw that my family and I saw that in Knoxville.
• 33:55
  We we went downtown or near downtown to do to have dinner
• 33:59
  the last night and we found this like great place to park for
• 34:03
  free and we got out and this dude just like, yeah, dude.
• 34:06
  I I promise you, I promise you like it.
• 34:09
  We got up. We had to get to the venue at
• 34:12
  6:00. Did you get left behind?
• 34:15
  No, I did not. We we had to get to the venue at
• 34:19
  6:00. So we're on, we're driving there
• 34:21
  at like, you know, 615 or something like that.
• 34:25
  Are we to leave our house at 6:00?
• 34:27
  It was something like that. I don't remember but we had to
• 34:28
  get up early and there's it just feels like a ghost town.
• 34:32
  There's nobody. And then we pass like 3 streets
• 34:35
  of just like 6 to 10 people per street just roaming and like, it
• 34:41
  feels like like 28 days later, like like, like you almost
• 34:47
  expect them to start running after you.
• 34:49
  Like, like they, they're, they're walking like 28 days
• 34:52
  later and like they're just cracked out.
• 34:54
  They're just, you know, they're just.
• 34:57
  Good time. But there's there's nobody else,
• 35:02
  like it's an empty town and this and that's all you see.
• 35:06
  So like it just feels like. Like.
• 35:10
  That that opening scene. Where?
• 35:13
  Like he wakes up like in 28 days later, if you've seen the movie,
• 35:16
  like he wakes up and then like, you know, there's just nobody.
• 35:19
  Hello. And then he walks into a church
• 35:21
  and then the, you know, the pastor starts trying to eat him.
• 35:23
  And then all of a sudden he figures out, oh, this is.
• 35:27
  What? This is what's going on now.
• 35:28
  Like that's what it felt like. The we stayed a little bit
• 35:34
  outside of the town and like, you know, there's always like a
• 35:36
  hotel district of a town. We stayed there.
• 35:40
  It was fine. And then between I would go to
• 35:42
  the guy's house each night I was there and like leading up into
• 35:48
  their place, it was actually kind of nice.
• 35:51
  But then there was some areas I went through.
• 35:54
  I was like, this is like, I've been everywhere, man, all over
• 35:58
  the United States and it was it was bad enough to make me
• 36:02
  nervous and I don't get nervous easy.
• 36:05
  There's no lines on the roads. No, like, yeah, and the road,
• 36:11
  the roads are rough, but I just assume this is just like like in
• 36:14
  my like I just like, OK, this is just how.
• 36:17
  That's how the Northeast is when you get that.
• 36:20
  Much snow and like like you know I I didn't know I just assumed
• 36:23
  this is just how it is over here that didn't bother me it is
• 36:25
  different it. Is lines on the road is bare
• 36:28
  minimal I I don't. Like it, but.
• 36:30
  Like, but dude, so it says, you know, Jeff here with strengths
• 36:35
  and amenities and housing, but lower Marks and crime, Dude, I
• 36:39
  promise you we passed by 30 houses that there is nobody
• 36:44
  living in these houses. That was probably like MSNBC
• 36:46
  ranking. Just boarded up.
• 36:48
  There was a mattress in in a couple windows like there's like
• 36:53
  there nobody living in these houses 90. 2% That's mostly
• 36:57
  because the housing is affordable.
• 37:00
  There's nobody in there. There's squatters.
• 37:04
  All right. So not great on all on Albany.
• 37:07
  I mean the way Tyler ranks it, P score is probably like third
• 37:10
  overall city in the country. It's getting negative points.
• 37:15
  Next up, MVP Arena. Once you get inside MVP or in
• 37:22
  yeah, inside the arena and I guess the ancillary building for
• 37:26
  the warm up area. How, how?
• 37:29
  How was the actual venue itself? Did you spend much time going
• 37:34
  around the venue, John? Did you go to the vendor village
• 37:38
  at like? I went to vendor village once
• 37:41
  for like 30 seconds and then like I, I wanted to go like do a
• 37:44
  whole look around, but like we didn't, we just didn't have a
• 37:47
  ton of time. Like I was kind of, I was kind
• 37:51
  of working 24/7 the whole time there.
• 37:56
  So, but I mean, it was nice. I would, I would say other than
• 38:01
  the walk to vendor village, like you had to walk like half a
• 38:04
  mile. It's crazy.
• 38:06
  But like, you're in the building the whole time.
• 38:08
  It's weird doesn't? Like a maze, you got to take an
• 38:10
  elevator, you got to go go down like 4 hallways.
• 38:14
  And like I promise I feels like, I feel like I'm in a different
• 38:17
  building, but I don't know where I'm at.
• 38:19
  And like I went to, we went to vendor village and then Jr. left
• 38:22
  me. I don't know what he did, but he
• 38:23
  ended up leaving me and then like I walked outside and was
• 38:28
  like, I've never been here. And I, I, I don't know where I'm
• 38:34
  at. And then I just kind of started
• 38:37
  walking down a road and then I saw, I saw a, a downward hill
• 38:42
  Rd. And I was like, I know where
• 38:44
  that goes to. And then I just walked down this
• 38:46
  hill and then she kind of found my way back to the booth.
• 38:49
  But Oh no, it wasn't even Jr. No, Tyler.
• 38:52
  It was when that girl took us that Megan so.
• 38:55
  It was me. That left, yeah, yeah.
• 38:56
  It was you that left me. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Yeah. I'm also good at that.
• 39:01
  And then I and then I walked outside.
• 39:02
  I just didn't know where I was, but I found my way back.
• 39:05
  But so that was a little confusing.
• 39:07
  What? Was it a longer walk than Fort
• 39:10
  Worth? Yes.
• 39:11
  The thing about Fort Worth was the walk was.
• 39:14
  Nice. The security would what held
• 39:16
  Fort Worth up like you there were the lines.
• 39:18
  There wasn't no lines. You just there was just this big
• 39:21
  long walk. I I would prefer this over Fort
• 39:24
  Worth because those lines are ridiculous.
• 39:26
  Like it I would just get irritated having to wait in the
• 39:29
  lines. The the the walk in Fort Worth
• 39:31
  was a straight shot, though. Like you were out the building,
• 39:34
  you were out the Coliseum. And yeah, but then you couldn't.
• 39:36
  Like you'd get a drink of water and then you'd carry it, go
• 39:38
  back, dump it before you went back to the other.
• 39:41
  Building. Yeah, that that part sucked,
• 39:43
  that I'm not going to dock them for that.
• 39:45
  That's a cute security issue. It was it.
• 39:50
  Was a high rocks compared to Fort Worth.
• 39:52
  It was 7 miles away. Did feel it did feel long
• 39:55
  because of that. Well, I would say 8 out of 10
• 39:58
  for the MVP Arena. John, we've been to a lot of
• 40:03
  arenas now, a lot of venues. And I think a lot would be 8 out
• 40:07
  of 10. I had no complaints.
• 40:09
  Would you rather be in the Madison Coliseum?
• 40:13
  One billion percent, yes. Here's.
• 40:15
  The thing, here's the thing, if there was the same amount of
• 40:18
  people, I think it would feel the same.
• 40:22
  Like like you say that because there was more people and like
• 40:25
  it feels better. I didn't.
• 40:29
  I don't feel. I think the arena was fine.
• 40:31
  Madison was so easy to navigate. The vendors were right.
• 40:35
  There, I'm saying like if they didn't, they got rid of North
• 40:37
  Park and it was just like the vendors in that one building
• 40:40
  across the street and the Coliseum.
• 40:42
  That's all you got. Oh wait, still 1,000,000%
• 40:45
  Madison. I think Madison as a city is
• 40:50
  just so much nicer. But like the actual menu, I I
• 40:55
  don't know, like I'm doing the same thing in these venues.
• 40:58
  So like I don't really explore super often.
• 41:01
  I think, I think, I think a lot of people would say Madison, but
• 41:06
  I don't think it was that Madison's like so much better
• 41:09
  than the actual arena. Just talking about the actual
• 41:12
  arena. You know, I honestly think the
• 41:14
  tennis stadium in Carson's probably the best arena there is
• 41:17
  as far as environment, but it's. Probably not big enough though
• 41:21
  unless you have. Unless you utilize another field
• 41:23
  though. Yeah, for sure.
• 41:27
  I would give it the, the, the venue, I would give a six.
• 41:31
  It was difficult for us to navigate.
• 41:33
  I was talking to some people who were shooting, you know, footage
• 41:37
  and stuff and they were like, I, I, I'm just kind of, it's too
• 41:41
  far to make a break. I have to kind of follow just a
• 41:44
  few people and stick with them the entire time.
• 41:47
  It was, you know, Rios was like, dude, I got to leave and I hope
• 41:51
  I get there by the end of this event.
• 41:54
  It it was tough and then. That's it.
• 41:56
  The people that were following the athletes, it is very split
• 42:00
  apart like if you were trying to.
• 42:02
  Find an athlete. And then go to the Coliseum and
• 42:04
  then trying to find an athlete that would be I, I understand
• 42:07
  that part. I don't do that right.
• 42:10
  So like I'm just in my spot every time.
• 42:12
  So I could 100% see if that's what you were doing, how it
• 42:16
  would be. It would be a lot.
• 42:20
  The the call, the calls or the arena itself was fine.
• 42:25
  You can tell it's rundown. And it was not rundown in the
• 42:29
  charming way like Knoxville is. Like Knoxville is just old.
• 42:33
  But it has character. Yeah.
• 42:35
  Like it has character, though. This one was just like, you
• 42:38
  know, you can tell it was built in the 70s or 80s and it's just,
• 42:41
  it's degraded, dilapidated, dilapidated.
• 42:46
  It's I, I give it a six. Like it's just not.
• 42:49
  It was not for me. I don't care if I ever go back
• 42:51
  to Albany's, the MVP arena. And I agree with Tyler.
• 42:56
  Go ahead, Lee Frazier. Lee Frazier, 999.
• 42:58
  Thank you, Lee. Still my favorite is this.
• 43:01
  I don't, I don't disagree with Tyler, like I don't care if I
• 43:04
  ever go back, but I think the city almost makes the arena feel
• 43:09
  less. Probably cause.
• 43:11
  Madison's such a nice city, like, like the city of Madison
• 43:15
  is beautiful. There's so much stuff to do.
• 43:18
  It's got a good mall like you know.
• 43:21
  I'm nearly as nice as Columbus, but.
• 43:24
  Yeah, no, that I did not go to the mall.
• 43:26
  I feel like I didn't know if I didn't, honestly.
• 43:28
  I didn't see a mall. I saw a Dollar General.
• 43:32
  Sounds nice. Hybracod Games Hybracod Games
• 43:36
  $2.00 Thank you. Thank you.
• 43:38
  That's where they do like the stick jousting like tug of war
• 43:41
  thing. Hey, get me and John in there.
• 43:45
  Yeah, that'd. Be fun, I'd watch that.
• 43:48
  Next up, I'm gonna watch Monte Cristo in preparation.
• 43:51
  Next up, we talked a little bit about this media access.
• 43:55
  For those who are in the media, how would you rate it?
• 43:59
  I would say 9 out of 10 and my 1 complaint.
• 44:04
  But is that is that a personal media access or just media
• 44:07
  access in general? Well, I can't.
• 44:08
  I can't speak for the people that weren't where we were.
• 44:11
  I'm only speaking for what I experienced.
• 44:14
  You talking about photographer spin or you talking about?
• 44:16
  Yeah. I mean, I mean, I knew John was
• 44:18
  going to be a little biased here because he had front row seats,
• 44:21
  the best media spot there. But Tyler, you were there
• 44:24
  walking around a little bit more.
• 44:25
  I still don't know where the camera people shot.
• 44:29
  Here Jose had a was filming, he was taking pictures of people
• 44:34
  and he was on the other side of the media like not enhanced
• 44:37
  access or anything like that and he says not Adsense as.
• 44:40
  Well, from what? From what I that their whole
• 44:44
  side like the camera people had like a whole side to themselves,
• 44:49
  which I thought was pretty cool. And then like the the VIP side
• 44:55
  we had like basically a whole side to ourselves and it was
• 44:58
  cool because it made it less crowded.
• 45:00
  Is pretty organized. Would be 10 if it was the
• 45:02
  opposite side. See I.
• 45:03
  Thought the same thing, but there was.
• 45:05
  The opposite. There was, oh really?
• 45:07
  I I feel like there was definitely like it.
• 45:11
  It felt like you got more stuff on that other side.
• 45:14
  Well, during the squad event, like I'm pulling heavy from the
• 45:16
  squad event, we were just staring at butts the whole time.
• 45:18
  Like we couldn't see the front of the.
• 45:20
  Athletes. So that Oh VIP was on the
• 45:22
  backside. Yeah, it was on the backside.
• 45:24
  I would agree as far as like from our media standpoint, I
• 45:28
  would say a nine out of 10. It was like I was super happy
• 45:31
  with CrossFit on this. I didn't have to get an escort.
• 45:35
  Or, well, besides the one time I really didn't have to get an
• 45:37
  escort anyway. That's the only reason it's not
• 45:39
  ten out of 10. Yeah, like our actual access is
• 45:42
  10 out of 10. Dude so great.
• 45:44
  They wanted you to have an escort to go to the bathroom and
• 45:49
  like all I'm doing is chugging C4 the whole day.
• 45:54
  Like I went to the bathroom like 20 times a day and like there
• 45:58
  was a bathroom literally 20 feet from us.
• 46:02
  It's just you go this way and then there's a little hallway,
• 46:05
  very small hallway to get to the in the arena.
• 46:09
  And then there's the bathroom. I could see it.
• 46:11
  And they were like, you cannot go there.
• 46:14
  And I'm like. Fine.
• 46:16
  I'll go here then, guys. Like, like and and like and and
• 46:21
  and. Honestly, super grateful.
• 46:25
  CrossFit was amazing and like they were like, absolutely, you
• 46:28
  just need somebody with this green band and then you can go
• 46:30
  through there. But like you feel like you're
• 46:32
  being a burden if you're doing like I don't want to be like,
• 46:34
  hey, hey, mom, can you take me to the bathroom?
• 46:39
  But it so then you just go use the bathroom that that everybody
• 46:42
  uses, but like they're bad. But and this is might be on this
• 46:45
  might be on the arena, right. So I'm gonna knock the arena
• 46:47
  down a point for the bathroom situation because you had to go
• 46:50
  upstairs like 400 meter walk and then you had to go downstairs.
• 46:55
  Like you went up to go down and then there's another hallway and
• 47:00
  then there's the bathroom. Like you just like, I had to
• 47:03
  pick my spots. I'm like, I'm just going to hold
• 47:05
  this through heat 3. And then on the transition, I'm
• 47:09
  going to go to the bathroom and like, and like, it was a lot of,
• 47:12
  like, it was a lot of like, I have to hold this, 'cause I'm
• 47:15
  not going to have time. And then we're, you know, we're
• 47:18
  going to podcast, right? So it's podcast as soon as the
• 47:21
  event's over because we have to go before teams go, right?
• 47:26
  Like, like and so it's important that we go right when they end.
• 47:30
  So I have to pick like heat one or in between that transition to
• 47:34
  go or I'm not going to go to the bathroom for three hours And the
• 47:37
  amount of caffeine that I was ingesting, dude, it was a
• 47:40
  running host, like non-stop. Anyway.
• 47:44
  It was just if I could have went to that bathroom would have been
• 47:47
  clutched. They never.
• 47:49
  Totally fine. Dave actually got on to me about
• 47:52
  it. Apparently I.
• 47:53
  Too much caffeine? I did it too much.
• 47:55
  No, I never. I used that close bathroom too
• 47:57
  much. They never.
• 47:59
  Escorted me. Did he's completely 100% right.
• 48:03
  That's the only thing separating a nine out of 10 from a 10 out
• 48:07
  of 10 though. Is that because everything else,
• 48:12
  literally it it was could not. There was 0 complaints.
• 48:18
  I mean, it was amazing. This is probably a point you
• 48:20
  won't bring up later that I was very, very happy with how open
• 48:26
  CrossFit was to allow us to do ever finally everything that we,
• 48:31
  we kind of wanted to do. I mean, like we weren't allowed
• 48:33
  to, you know, there were limits, but they were, they were super
• 48:38
  open to us doing a lot of different stuff.
• 48:39
  And it was, it was the best event as far as partnership or,
• 48:43
  or from a media side that I've ever, you know, dealt with.
• 48:46
  I didn't do nearly as much as John.
• 48:48
  John was on podcast and doing all kinds of stuff.
• 48:50
  But just from what I absorbed, everything was great.
• 48:53
  Rios did screw with his hall monitor or whatever a few times.
• 48:59
  So like they would be, you know what, they walk with you to take
• 49:02
  you places. And Rios would like just turn
• 49:06
  and bolt and be like no, I'm just kidding.
• 49:12
  Nice, let's see catching up here.
• 49:19
  Hypercon Games? Ask me what?
• 49:21
  Ask me what hypercon games is. What is it?
• 49:26
  We'll hear it from you in 10 minutes.
• 49:28
  Brian G935 dollars thank you. Them switching the direction of
• 49:32
  movement for the run, deadlift, handstand workout was super cool
• 49:35
  in person, adding the length, the distance to it.
• 49:42
  Did you watch Dave's weekend review on that?
• 49:46
  I haven't, no. Basically he asked some athletes
• 49:52
  and like the proven camp like have you guys tested it?
• 49:54
  Like what are your guys times it needs to?
• 49:56
  Be it needs to be longer. Yeah, he was like, realized it
• 49:59
  needed to be longer and that was the twist.
• 50:03
  No. When he announced that as like
• 50:05
  when he announced, I didn't know what the twist was.
• 50:07
  We did. We knew there would be a twist,
• 50:09
  but we didn't know what it was. And then when he announced that
• 50:13
  I'm like, I 100% like you just made that up like this.
• 50:18
  You just needed to work out to be longer.
• 50:19
  You need to hit a certain time domain.
• 50:22
  You thought it would, turns out it wasn't going to.
• 50:25
  And then you made the workout longer, but which?
• 50:28
  I am all for. I'm 100.
• 50:30
  Percent for like that is a great thing.
• 50:33
  Rafa didn't run fast enough. Walk fast enough or run or.
• 50:39
  Whatever. Whatever he did, Sanson,
• 50:41
  whatever. Sorry Sanson.
• 50:44
  Sorry po boy. Sorry.
• 50:47
  I I. I also think that that event in
• 50:50
  particular, I think the fitter you are, the more of a gap there
• 50:57
  is in time. Like like there's some events,
• 51:03
  for instance, the the event nine, event 9, the running
• 51:06
  snatch workout, like I might finish 20 seconds within those
• 51:10
  guys times, right? It's so close, right?
• 51:13
  45 seconds standard deviation. Not every not every 18 minute
• 51:17
  workout like finishes the same. Like there could be a workout
• 51:21
  where you finish, they finish 18 minutes, you finish 20 minutes.
• 51:25
  I think this workout in particular, like they finish 18
• 51:29
  minutes. A normal person would be 30
• 51:31
  minutes. Like just the fitness gap
• 51:34
  creates a larger, you understand what I'm saying, like and not
• 51:36
  all workouts are made like that. The SO event 9 had a standard
• 51:41
  deviation of 13 seconds. So super like super tight.
• 51:45
  I am not putting. So 95% were within 26 seconds.
• 51:48
  Yes, which, Oh, OK. So that one had a standard
• 51:52
  deviation of two minutes and 20 seconds.
• 51:55
  So it's much larger, John. Yeah.
• 51:58
  But I'm even think Rapha Sampson is not as fit as the average
• 52:04
  games person. Right?
• 52:05
  So like his standard, his deviation, I'm saying, is more
• 52:09
  on that one than the rest of them.
• 52:12
  That's fair. How would you rate the fans?
• 52:16
  Spectator slash crowd. I would say 8 out of 10 and the
• 52:24
  only thing holding it back from 10 out of 10 is just how many
• 52:29
  people were there and I I think that.
• 52:32
  Albany had a big problem with it.
• 52:34
  You know, maybe it's Albany, maybe it's Lazar, like maybe
• 52:38
  it's Reddit, maybe it's Brian. I, I, I, I don't know, but I
• 52:44
  think that you missed out if you did not go because it was, it
• 52:49
  was a the best games we've had in a while.
• 52:54
  Dude. Battle bunker and hybrid con
• 52:55
  games are like fighting right now.
• 52:57
  I don't. Know what's going on?
• 52:59
  You should not have asked me. What it is Hey, we'll we'll can
• 53:02
  have a hybrid con game show like this and not.
• 53:04
  Invite us out, we'll do it. I would give it a 7 out of 10.
• 53:10
  I actually think the vault and I'm giving it a 7 out of 10.
• 53:13
  So hype was like 9 or 10 out of 10.
• 53:15
  It was good, but volume of people knocks it down to seven
• 53:21
  and I don't even think it's as bad as people like some people
• 53:24
  are are assuming it. It was loud.
• 53:26
  They got very loud. The the bot like there weren't
• 53:29
  any up upper level, which is like what you're used to if you
• 53:32
  go, if you went to Madison, like all like a lot of the seat, like
• 53:36
  basically every seat was full and it was crazy.
• 53:38
  You go in there and it's loud and it feels like a huge
• 53:41
  sporting event. This the whole, you know,
• 53:44
  regular bottom area was full. So like the first two tiers that
• 53:49
  was all full. So I thought I thought it was
• 53:52
  pretty good, especially for for Albany, it being in Albany like
• 53:55
  dude, it's not easy to get to. And so I thought it was pretty
• 53:59
  good, 7 out of 10. Did you see Gary did?
• 54:02
  You see, Gary? Gary who?
• 54:05
  Oh, Gary. No, I did not see Gary.
• 54:08
  I wish I had. Yeah I agree with Tyler
• 54:11
  completely. Like the fan vibe and like just
• 54:15
  in general how how people were during the games 10 out of 10.
• 54:20
  We talked about this before the games, but programming I.
• 54:25
  Think programming was a nine out of 10.
• 54:27
  I thought it was one of the more balanced games we've had in a
• 54:30
  long time. And balance I think is the most
• 54:33
  important thing. I obviously it can be skewed a
• 54:38
  certain way or other, but it should be test.
• 54:41
  Everything should be tested. And I thought that it did that.
• 54:47
  I thought the eight boxes, like everybody was like, why do eight
• 54:50
  boxes? And I thought that was a hit to
• 54:54
  see them move down the field. It was exciting that when you
• 54:57
  could see people catching people and the transitions mattered.
• 55:02
  The only thing, the only reason and like the men's field was
• 55:06
  awesome, right? The only reason I would say it's
• 55:09
  not a 10 out of 10 is for the reason Tyler's gonna rank it a 5
• 55:14
  out of 10. Like what means the most to
• 55:17
  Tyler, I think does have meaning.
• 55:20
  I think you should test more outside stuff.
• 55:22
  I think the CrossFit game should be stuff there should be a fair
• 55:27
  amount of you can't do this anywhere else except the games.
• 55:31
  And you know, Dave's whole theme was this is all CrossFit.
• 55:36
  You can do all of these in your affiliate and I I think the game
• 55:42
  should be bigger than your affiliate.
• 55:44
  But I get why he did that. I think, I think what the
• 55:47
  programming should be, what its intention should be, what it
• 55:50
  what it should achieve is a better word.
• 55:53
  It did that completely and that's why I give it a nine out
• 55:56
  of 10. John and I actually agree with
• 56:01
  this more than we disagree. We just very totally on on how
• 56:06
  we rate it. John, it is impressive that you
• 56:09
  called my rating. You said 5 out of 10.
• 56:12
  I. Did you see boys interrupted
• 56:15
  yesterday when they played the number game?
• 56:18
  No. Oh, yeah.
• 56:19
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You called it.
• 56:21
  That's stupid. I texted down after hunter
• 56:24
  hunters here and I was like, guys, I I texted down, I'll go.
• 56:28
  That made me hard. I was like, then I got that
• 56:31
  right. Standy nailed it.
• 56:34
  Agreed the programming was good but it's boring to watch so that
• 56:37
  is my taste test for all games programming.
• 56:40
  Is how Standy feels. You.
• 56:42
  You are. Yes, I I text her every time.
• 56:45
  Hey, how you feel about this? John?
• 56:48
  You're right. Every test was balanced almost
• 56:51
  in and unto itself except for a couple which were purposely
• 56:55
  skewed and offset. The problem for me was that
• 56:59
  they're not. They weren't really inspiring
• 57:02
  events. There were no events that I was
• 57:03
  like besides OK the the first one, the run, row run and the
• 57:07
  back squat that I don't think it's boring to watch.
• 57:12
  Why it was not boring to watch is the other part that you have
• 57:15
  to separate. So there's nothing that was
• 57:20
  inspiring to me about those events.
• 57:23
  I wasn't. It didn't motivate me as someone
• 57:26
  who might not be going to the games to go to get interested in
• 57:31
  Cross. I'm going to fucking destroy
• 57:33
  you, John. If you don't, I'll quit.
• 57:35
  I'll get off the show. I'm not saying.
• 57:37
  Anything. Yeah, you're not.
• 57:41
  I'm just going to do this shit whenever you.
• 57:43
  Start talking. You a fucking asshole.
• 57:46
  That's not even me. Speaks to goddammit spin.
• 57:51
  How am I doing it? You got mad at me for no reason.
• 57:55
  Because you were like you were. Doing that, you were doing this
• 57:57
  right here. Oh my goodness, I need an
• 57:59
  apology. Go ahead.
• 58:01
  I apologize. Anyway, the reason they were
• 58:04
  entertaining is because of the races between the guys and I
• 58:09
  wrote about this in the article. We we got lucky that the races
• 58:12
  between the guys were so close and so entertaining, but that
• 58:16
  that was hardly like the events themselves weren't super
• 58:19
  entertaining. They just happened to be because
• 58:21
  the guys and like some of the stories with the girls, but
• 58:25
  those are for different reasons. And so I'm not interested in in
• 58:29
  this type of programming. I understand also why Dave.
• 58:36
  That's for you. Yes, Thank you.
• 58:38
  Thank you. Dude.
• 58:40
  Calm it down. I I understand also why they did
• 58:45
  this. I can't remember who made this
• 58:46
  point, but this was a bit of a a punt year.
• 58:50
  You needed to just hit a solid B.
• 58:55
  You need to just do it. And no, nothing can go wrong.
• 58:58
  Nothing can go weird. We just need to get the games
• 59:00
  across right. And so I think that they did
• 59:03
  that. I understand why they made the
• 59:04
  decision that they made. My fear is that they're going to
• 59:07
  move more into this style of programming in the future and
• 59:10
  not have these big marquee events where it's like things
• 59:13
  like the capital that truly inspire everybody.
• 59:16
  I don't. Those are the games to me.
• 59:18
  We have to have those events, so I understand why you did it, but
• 59:21
  it's a 5 out of 10 all. Right.
• 59:24
  I can finally weigh in because I was doesn't don't have to be
• 59:27
  there. I was very critical.
• 59:30
  I was very critical two weeks ago, week, a week ago because it
• 59:38
  was an outdoors because of just small things.
• 59:42
  But I also said a caveat of what what do we see coming up?
• 59:45
  I'm going to give it a 7. I think it gets dinged from not
• 59:53
  being outside. I think to Tyler's point, it it
• 59:58
  does get dinged for being I think the Games.
• 1:00:01
  When you think about the season, the Open is for the affiliate,
• 1:00:06
  the semifinal stage, second stage is for the top athletes to
• 1:00:12
  show off how good they are at CrossFit stuff and the Games to
• 1:00:18
  me is. Taking that and applying it to
• 1:00:23
  oh, somebody got banned taking it and applying your fitness
• 1:00:33
  outside of the box. Yes.
• 1:00:37
  And that's what we didn't get, and that's what I want.
• 1:00:40
  That's what I want to see. And it doesn't have to be crazy
• 1:00:42
  and dangerous and like the most, you know, wild thing ever.
• 1:00:48
  But if you were around 10 years ago, what waiting for the
• 1:00:54
  athlete dinner to find out what new twist interesting was like,
• 1:01:00
  you literally just watched Dave Castro bring out a paddle board.
• 1:01:04
  You watch Dave Castro like, you know, surprise him.
• 1:01:08
  And the athletes were just shocked.
• 1:01:09
  And you couldn't believe they were going to go do something
• 1:01:11
  right, like pack your bags and you're going to go see you
• 1:01:13
  tomorrow morning. Those types of things were
• 1:01:16
  really cool. And that's what I I think we
• 1:01:18
  need to get to do some of that for, you know, do the some of
• 1:01:21
  that. With that being said, I don't
• 1:01:24
  separate the excitement from the programming.
• 1:01:32
  So like the the running Isabel is great.
• 1:01:37
  Like that was a fun one to watch.
• 1:01:40
  The two parter was fun to watch. Like there were a lot of them
• 1:01:43
  that were fun to watch that you can't just say, well, it's only
• 1:01:46
  because of the athletes. I think the way Dave programmed
• 1:01:50
  it, he knew that there were going to be some really close
• 1:01:52
  races and it was going to be exciting in that standpoint.
• 1:01:54
  So I wouldn't separate it completely.
• 1:01:57
  So I'll give it a 7 right in between the two of you.
• 1:02:00
  I like that I. Have this comment.
• 1:02:04
  Extra sloppy. It was safe programming, but it
• 1:02:06
  was good programming. That doesn't make it boring.
• 1:02:08
  I. Think that kind of summarizes it
• 1:02:11
  all. And we're I like and do you guys
• 1:02:15
  tell me if you agree? Like like for me, it just
• 1:02:17
  matters. What did the test do what it was
• 1:02:21
  supposed to? And I would say 100% yes.
• 1:02:25
  That's what matters the most to me.
• 1:02:27
  What matters the most to Tyler is can you do this in your box?
• 1:02:33
  Because you should not be able to.
• 1:02:35
  This should be stuff. This should be stuff that nobody
• 1:02:37
  else is doing, only the CrossFit Games.
• 1:02:40
  This is where this happens. To me that the important thing
• 1:02:43
  is, yes, the test needs to be good, but I think that's more
• 1:02:46
  important to you than it is to me.
• 1:02:48
  But also that the the CrossFit Games is the biggest marketing
• 1:02:53
  machine that we have and it should inspire new people to do
• 1:02:55
  CrossFit. And I don't think that these
• 1:02:57
  workouts did that. And I think it's been somewhere
• 1:03:02
  in the middle. Yeah, I'm in the middle of it.
• 1:03:04
  And and I, and I don't disagree with you, Tyler.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, it's just I just value I. You come from the sports side.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah, I, I like I it has a mission.
• 1:03:18
  It has to achieve that mission before anything else.
• 1:03:23
  Sure. But I I almost agree with your
• 1:03:26
  sentiment of I disagree how you were today.
• 1:03:30
  But where you like said, this is just to get the games across the
• 1:03:35
  line, right? We just have to get to here,
• 1:03:38
  right? Because like when, if in the
• 1:03:43
  programming way, that's why I like Sloppy's comment.
• 1:03:45
  It was safe and they didn't risk anything and they didn't go
• 1:03:49
  outside and they did like, you know, I, I, I feel you on all of
• 1:03:53
  that. But if you were there, and I
• 1:04:01
  don't know if you could feel it at home, but the meme that I I
• 1:04:05
  posted on my story was like when you feel the game's vibes are
• 1:04:09
  back. And I'll agree with that. 100%
• 1:04:14
  Like I think we're about to enter a new golden era of of the
• 1:04:19
  CrossFit Games. Obviously ownership is going to
• 1:04:22
  have a big role to play, but the way the men's field is and the
• 1:04:27
  way the women's field is other than Tia, like it's so anything
• 1:04:35
  can happen. It's who is healthy, it's who is
• 1:04:41
  a little lucky with the programming.
• 1:04:44
  And then it is who executes their plan for the whole
• 1:04:48
  weekend, who can execute for the whole weekend when anybody can
• 1:04:52
  win, when anything can happen. I just think I think the games
• 1:04:58
  is going to be very, very exciting for the next 5 years.
• 1:05:01
  And I, I think the golden years that we think of like 14 through
• 1:05:04
  18, I think we're about to enter a new golden era of fitness,
• 1:05:09
  wherever that may be. And the for the CrossFit Games,
• 1:05:12
  I. Hope you're right.
• 1:05:15
  Apartment, Apartment. No, no, no.
• 1:05:17
  Period, period. That means he agrees, right?
• 1:05:20
  Yeah, I think maybe so real quick 30 athlete field, yes,
• 1:05:28
  you're you like it. No.
• 1:05:29
  Cuts I'll I'll no Cuts 30F lead field.
• 1:05:33
  DEI gets their heat right. That's all good dude at the end
• 1:05:37
  of the weekend. Never does that for me.
• 1:05:39
  At the, at the, at the Oh, you want this one?
• 1:05:42
  This one's, this one's a good one.
• 1:05:44
  Well, we have fireworks. There.
• 1:05:46
  There we go. There we go.
• 1:05:47
  I got it. Up here.
• 1:05:49
  The. I got to save that one.
• 1:05:51
  There were at the end on Sunday, the last heat for the women.
• 1:05:56
  There were zero Americans. If that doesn't say DEI heat, I
• 1:06:02
  don't know what does. Crazy, crazy.
• 1:06:06
  But they get represented. And then the last two heats,
• 1:06:11
  there's somebody big in all of them.
• 1:06:13
  Like, you know, you have all the people who have been
• 1:06:15
  underperforming that are usually up there.
• 1:06:18
  They get like, yo, it's exciting to watch those last two heats
• 1:06:23
  and you get representation from everybody else.
• 1:06:26
  Yeah, no, I I'm a fan of the cuts, but that was, I think it
• 1:06:30
  was a 40th athlete field when it's down to 30, I think I.
• 1:06:36
  And like bigger events like you could do fields of 15 and then
• 1:06:39
  there's only two heats. Fields of 15 are much easier to
• 1:06:41
  pull off than fields of 20. Yeah, no, definitely agree.
• 1:06:44
  Where did Tyler go? He's trying to leave before this
• 1:06:48
  Peace Corps because he knows it's a losing battle.
• 1:06:51
  That's fair. The team competition.
• 1:06:57
  This this about you. I think it's you.
• 1:07:01
  You're on the left. On the screen, but you're on the
• 1:07:04
  left facing out, so. OK, I was trying to give you a
• 1:07:09
  compliment. Thank you.
• 1:07:09
  Battle Bunker. Sure you watch any of the teams
• 1:07:15
  or is that your? Break.
• 1:07:17
  No, I actually did. I actually did watch the last
• 1:07:20
  day. The teams were actually a
• 1:07:23
  really, really good battle because Oslo basically made this
• 1:07:26
  kind of dream team. Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Kristen Halti. Yeah, but she was the last
• 1:07:30
  minute of that. She was the last minute of that.
• 1:07:31
  Odo Linda can't like like like the like the Oslo, but like,
• 1:07:35
  just like your individuals. They are significantly, I
• 1:07:39
  wouldn't say significantly, but they're they're girls are like
• 1:07:42
  much fitter than the rest of everybody else.
• 1:07:45
  And a lot of the time, not all the time, but a lot of times
• 1:07:50
  teams really comes down to how strong your girls are.
• 1:07:54
  It's a little bit of a pat. Again, not 100%, but it does
• 1:07:57
  play a big deal. And Mayhem, who seemed like the
• 1:08:02
  underdog, they were going ahead like head to So then it was just
• 1:08:13
  whoever won this last one wins, wins the games.
• 1:08:18
  And I, I wanted to kind of find this core let out spin.
• 1:08:23
  I'll probably do some study here in a minute, like give me some
• 1:08:26
  time to like acclimate and I'll get around to it.
• 1:08:29
  But the the front squat in the semi finals for the teams mayhem
• 1:08:36
  was 44th place in the back squat.
• 1:08:41
  They all low barred and PRD by 30 lbs and they were 6th place,
• 1:08:46
  44th to 6th. That is insane.
• 1:08:51
  That is in like, I don't know how to put that into words like
• 1:08:55
  that's, that's but I mean, I was rooting for Angelo's team and
• 1:09:00
  then I mean, they ended up not pulling it out.
• 1:09:03
  Oslo won. But I would I, I it was exciting
• 1:09:07
  for the last day that they were so close.
• 1:09:11
  Tyler, did you watch any of the teams?
• 1:09:13
  You're a big team guy. You're a big team guy.
• 1:09:15
  Not one all. Right.
• 1:09:18
  Last one. In my defense, I probably would
• 1:09:21
  have. I had zero time when I wasn't,
• 1:09:27
  when I wasn't watching any individual events, I was outside
• 1:09:31
  politicking or taking care of other stuff or making sure Bron
• 1:09:35
  and Jeanette were OK. So.
• 1:09:37
  Fair enough. Last one, the training camps
• 1:09:42
  made a resurgence last year or two years ago was like or two
• 1:09:46
  years ago was like no, training camps are dead.
• 1:09:48
  You don't need to be on a training, don't need to be in a
• 1:09:51
  training camp. And now proven as three of six
• 1:09:56
  Brute has what 2? They had two on there and then
• 1:10:01
  they had 4th and kind of 4th if you count Danielle training
• 1:10:05
  there for 51 weeks. No.
• 1:10:10
  No. I think brood strength improving
• 1:10:14
  and then there was nobody else. Not mayhem.
• 1:10:19
  Is that a resurgent? I guess Mayhem?
• 1:10:21
  I was. I don't count Mayhem as a
• 1:10:24
  training camp. They're their own entity.
• 1:10:28
  Their own juggernaut. Yeah, they have so many people,
• 1:10:31
  like they're just their own. I would say.
• 1:10:33
  But two years ago, like, we were like, what's the point of being
• 1:10:36
  on a training camp? Like Ariel's training in her
• 1:10:39
  garage by herself? Adler's winning.
• 1:10:43
  We don't have anybody left that's just an individual
• 1:10:47
  athlete anymore, do we? Well, Ariel, but like.
• 1:10:53
  I wouldn't consider Maderos as not or Adler.
• 1:10:58
  Maderos kind of AI. Mean it's it's starting to turn
• 1:11:02
  into that, but I would say he's not really.
• 1:11:08
  I would say there's no one on the men's side, Leahy.
• 1:11:12
  Bill Leahy? Yep.
• 1:11:13
  The one guy who needs to be a part of a training camp.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah. True.
• 1:11:21
  Is Nick? Who's Nick Matthew a part of?
• 1:11:24
  Proven. Is he?
• 1:11:25
  Is is he still He was. I'm not sure.
• 1:11:29
  Lucy's kind of by herself. Lucy is by herself.
• 1:11:33
  I mean, she has a coach, but yeah, I mean, they just really
• 1:11:38
  showed out this year. Lucy.
• 1:11:40
  Ariel. Wait, who's Miriam a part of?
• 1:11:44
  By yourself. There you go.
• 1:11:45
  Like, see, it's, I mean, it's, there's people, there's people.
• 1:11:49
  But it's it, it is much more prominent, I think Brute.
• 1:11:52
  Harry Lightfoot, he's done a part of camp.
• 1:11:55
  Kringle Camp. Kringle.
• 1:11:58
  Camp Kringle, I I think they just showed out so it made and
• 1:12:02
  we don't have like great other athletes who are who are
• 1:12:05
  training alone anymore so that we really have the comparison.
• 1:12:09
  But I mean, it is sort of the rise of the training camps this
• 1:12:12
  year. I mean, I will think back and be
• 1:12:14
  like man, prudent, proven like. It will live in my head
• 1:12:17
  synonymously with this year. Yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Where did this come from? That's that's months ago.
• 1:12:25
  That's old news. That's old man.
• 1:12:27
  He's he's turned the corner. Yeah, I'm cool with rich man.
• 1:12:30
  I'm I'm pro rich froning. All right, Hey Tyler.
• 1:12:35
  Hey, just so y'all. Know.
• 1:12:38
  Just want to get this on the record and no way is he the
• 1:12:43
  fittest ever or the most accomplished ever blah blah blah
• 1:12:47
  blah blah. Richard Patrick Froning Junior
• 1:12:55
  is the GOAT of CrossFit. OK.
• 1:12:59
  I don't know his middle name, I just made that one.
• 1:13:02
  Up sounds right. All right, we're gonna go to P
• 1:13:04
  score 'cause I think Tyler is. He was already a little on the
• 1:13:07
  edge, and now let's make him. That's why I peed.
• 1:13:09
  You got to get ready, Tyler. The the P score.
• 1:13:15
  You wrote an article that said the CrossFit Games did not find
• 1:13:22
  the fittest on Earth. What are you talking about?
• 1:13:28
  Yeah, I love how people are like, not again.
• 1:13:32
  And then it's just like interaction goes through the
• 1:13:35
  roof. It it's hilarious.
• 1:13:39
  So yeah, I rescored the games, P scored it and we were looking at
• 1:13:45
  it on Saturday night. John and I were and Jason was in
• 1:13:48
  4th and I was like holy shit. Jason didn't win the games
• 1:13:55
  according to P score. He was not the fittest on Earth.
• 1:13:59
  That should be the title. Jason didn't win the games, not
• 1:14:01
  a. Good time according to P score.
• 1:14:04
  That's that's terrible title. That's.
• 1:14:06
  What the title? That's what the title should
• 1:14:08
  have been. It's in.
• 1:14:10
  It's in title .25 font John. You know what?
• 1:14:12
  You know, it's funny. That's that's what.
• 1:14:16
  The title should have been. Listen, you learned to play the
• 1:14:18
  title how to lose 30 lbs walking for weight loss that's how you
• 1:14:23
  do it, John you. Follow the.
• 1:14:25
  Spreadsheet. How?
• 1:14:28
  How do you want me to go? About this.
• 1:14:29
  So what is P Score Tyler for those who may.
• 1:14:33
  Not know. P score you draw.
• 1:14:38
  Top gets 100, middle gets 50 points.
• 1:14:41
  It creates a straight line, so number so 15.5.
• 1:14:45
  You average 15 and 16th for this.
• 1:14:48
  Yes, that gets 50 points. That gets 50 points.
• 1:14:50
  It draws a straight line. You'll have something like
• 1:14:54
  points per Rep or points per pound or something like that,
• 1:14:57
  and then all you do is find the difference between the best
• 1:15:00
  score and your score, multiply it by that, and that's your
• 1:15:02
  score. I consider the top of the field
• 1:15:06
  because the bottom of the field is always where the hiccups are.
• 1:15:09
  And also I think that those athletes can be replaced by
• 1:15:11
  better athletes who would do better.
• 1:15:13
  But I do think that the top of the field in any given event are
• 1:15:17
  probably the top period, right? And it's a way to score how you
• 1:15:22
  really do in relation to the next person.
• 1:15:26
  So if somebody beat you by one second, they might get half a
• 1:15:29
  point or one less point than you do.
• 1:15:31
  But if you beat them by, you know, 2 minutes, you might get
• 1:15:35
  20 points on them. I really want to score for
• 1:15:38
  performance. It's all based on the idea of
• 1:15:40
  every second counts. I love it when people are in the
• 1:15:42
  comments and they're like, this guy doesn't get CrossFit.
• 1:15:45
  I'm like, it's literally scoring based on the methodology that we
• 1:15:47
  created. What are you talking about?
• 1:15:52
  And as I've. Said in the comments.
• 1:15:53
  Many. Times before no scoring system
• 1:15:55
  is perfect, but I think this is the closest that we will ever
• 1:15:58
  get to something that makes sense and is correct.
• 1:16:02
  I appreciate if you want to get your calculators out you can.
• 1:16:05
  Start doing some some math right there.
• 1:16:08
  So thank you, Tyler. All right, all right, So you did
• 1:16:12
  this and you found some interesting results.
• 1:16:16
  What generally happens when you do this calculation?
• 1:16:19
  There's generally a couple. Switches a lot in the middle,
• 1:16:23
  like you'll see, you know, one or two places just the flip flop
• 1:16:28
  and that that's acceptable because you might have somebody
• 1:16:30
  beat somebody out just a little bit here and there and they just
• 1:16:33
  make the jump. In this one, it was.
• 1:16:36
  I've never seen one this volatile.
• 1:16:40
  There was jumps everywhere. I mean, Ricky jumped at first.
• 1:16:44
  The women did not change at all. We will not be talking about
• 1:16:46
  the. Women well, so this this
• 1:16:48
  conversation like let's get them out of.
• 1:16:50
  The way first 'cause I know. The the brunt of the
• 1:16:52
  conversation will be about the men.
• 1:16:53
  Just a hint on the women 'cause it wasn't shown in the article.
• 1:16:57
  Daniel Brandon got 4th, drops to 5th.
• 1:17:00
  Ariel Lowen, wasn't it? Oh is it?
• 1:17:03
  OK good. I wrote it like 4.
• 1:17:07
  Days ago I can't remember what happened.
• 1:17:09
  You can see, yeah, Brandon Lowen flip flops with her and then
• 1:17:14
  that's the only real change. So I think everybody would be OK
• 1:17:17
  with that. They're generally should be in
• 1:17:19
  that position. So it it is a that's a good
• 1:17:22
  reference point to this does stand up to what normally we
• 1:17:26
  would see or it will it will match what we see normally.
• 1:17:29
  Now you can see that Tia gained a larger lead, I think.
• 1:17:35
  No, she dropped significantly. Her lead went.
• 1:17:38
  Down when she. Did take a hit.
• 1:17:40
  In the in the pegboard. So that's going to hurt her.
• 1:17:43
  She didn't have any events this year that was like crazy crazy.
• 1:17:47
  Event 8 would have been the closest one with the handstand.
• 1:17:50
  Push up in the bike one 'cause she beat everybody by committed
• 1:17:52
  on that. Yeah.
• 1:17:55
  So it does track. With your standard scoring
• 1:17:58
  system, usually when it starts to not.
• 1:18:02
  That starts to. Tell me there's things with the
• 1:18:04
  programming going on or someone massively beat the field on
• 1:18:08
  anything. And that's the thing that I
• 1:18:10
  really care about is that. So Colton is the best example of
• 1:18:14
  this in the back squat. He's back squatted 570.
• 1:18:17
  The next closest athlete was Nick Matthew and he back
• 1:18:21
  squatted 550. It then drops down to 515 and
• 1:18:26
  and it's right around there for the the average is like 485.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, that's a huge. Difference.
• 1:18:33
  In fitness in that. Modality that he has over
• 1:18:36
  everyone that he's not being awarded for.
• 1:18:39
  Nick was 555. I thought I.
• 1:18:42
  Pulled it straight from the game.
• 1:18:44
  Site. OK, you're good, you're good.
• 1:18:48
  Why should he not? Be if we're measuring for how?
• 1:18:51
  Fit someone is how? Why should he just get the
• 1:18:53
  regular points? Let me pull that up real quick
• 1:18:56
  for the man just to talk about what he got. 4 points.
• 1:19:00
  Confirm. Confirm.
• 1:19:01
  Nick was 555. Oh it.
• 1:19:03
  Was 550. Oh yeah, it was 555.
• 1:19:05
  Sorry, I misquoted. In the article, those 5 lbs
• 1:19:08
  might have made the difference between Hopper being 1st and.
• 1:19:10
  And where he's at, I had it right in the sheet.
• 1:19:12
  I'm just, I'm just kidding. Go ahead.
• 1:19:14
  So. Colton.
• 1:19:16
  Gets 100 points P score, 100 points CrossFit, and then in
• 1:19:22
  CrossFit scoring Nick gets 96. In this Nick would get 91
• 1:19:26
  points. So it's a nine point gap.
• 1:19:29
  Now do third place because that's probably the biggest
• 1:19:31
  jump. So Austin got third.
• 1:19:34
  Well, Austin, Jack and Jack got 3rd at 5:15.
• 1:19:38
  They got 92 points in CrossFit scoring in P score they get 68
• 1:19:43
  points. Aaron lines the drop off but.
• 1:19:48
  I think like what Tyler is rewarding.
• 1:19:53
  Is. Real time performance, they were
• 1:19:55
  that much better than everybody else.
• 1:19:59
  Yes. And is it not?
• 1:20:01
  I mean like when we're. Doing the the the taste test on
• 1:20:04
  this is that not, I don't want to say fair, but they they sort
• 1:20:08
  of earn those points. They're that much better than
• 1:20:10
  everybody else and they're still at the CrossFit Games.
• 1:20:12
  It's not like they're not fit, correct.
• 1:20:15
  I'm I'm. I'm not.
• 1:20:17
  Against any of that. So we'll, we'll come back to the
• 1:20:20
  back squat later. What I go ahead.
• 1:20:24
  No, go ahead. No, no, I'm going to go on a
• 1:20:27
  spiel so you get it. All out.
• 1:20:28
  OK. No, I, I, I was going to
• 1:20:29
  transition, so go ahead. So where I have the?
• 1:20:34
  Issue. Is that I think Jay Crouch is
• 1:20:37
  the biggest one. He's the biggest mover.
• 1:20:41
  He goes from 6th place to 2nd place and you never, I've never
• 1:20:45
  seen that. And you have Hopper going from.
• 1:20:47
  1st place to. 4th place, so if your piece scoring was like
• 1:20:52
  Ricky won Jason's second, I get it.
• 1:20:57
  Like it scored a little bit differently.
• 1:20:59
  Ricky gets a little bit more points even if it's with James.
• 1:21:03
  James is one point behind Ricky, I get it.
• 1:21:06
  But when he's behind Jay, if you watch the games in any capacity,
• 1:21:13
  how you can say Jay Crouch had a better game than Jason Hopper is
• 1:21:19
  absolutely insane to me. So like I did, I did, I look, I
• 1:21:22
  just kind of thought of like different things and I compared
• 1:21:26
  it to everybody and I did some stats for the top, your top four
• 1:21:31
  guys or your top your top five guys, including Jason.
• 1:21:35
  So Jason versus Ricky, Jason versus James, Jason versus
• 1:21:39
  Dallin, Jason versus Jay, your top for P score's top five.
• 1:21:44
  OK, I did head to head average place finish.
• 1:21:48
  Average event placement. Event wins and this is just like
• 1:21:52
  how your games went, right? Nothing's like superficial top
• 1:21:55
  three event average and then bottom three event average and
• 1:22:02
  then open scoring and. Open scoring.
• 1:22:04
  Is like, I've talked with a lot of people.
• 1:22:06
  They've put a lot of work into this, Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  You know, just a little bit like.
• 1:22:09
  The I. I talked to a lot of people and
• 1:22:12
  they think open scoring is the best way to score events.
• 1:22:18
  It was, it was almost, it was almost like that.
• 1:22:20
  It was only. It was 4 points all the way down
• 1:22:22
  to 13th and then it went to three points.
• 1:22:25
  Sure. Well, and I I like, I like the
• 1:22:27
  game scoring. But with 30 points the.
• 1:22:29
  Game scoring's a little bit. They're like it just so jumps so
• 1:22:33
  much further down with with with 30 people, but like I've.
• 1:22:38
  Talked with like. Barkley and a few others, and
• 1:22:42
  most like the open scoring the best.
• 1:22:45
  Way. So that's why I included that.
• 1:22:48
  If you do average event placement, it's literally the
• 1:22:51
  same thing, but it just kind of says it differently, but it's
• 1:22:54
  the same thing. So we'll start with Jason versus
• 1:22:58
  Ricky Ricky's the. Closest.
• 1:22:59
  To winning, right and then you and then you could tell me just
• 1:23:02
  off of these who sounds like they were better.
• 1:23:05
  OK, head to head they're 5 to 5. Average event placement Jason
• 1:23:11
  was 6.4, Ricky was 6.9. Worst finish, Jason.
• 1:23:18
  Has a 17th. Ricky has a 23rd event wins,
• 1:23:22
  Ricky has two and Jason has one. The Ricky's got that on him top
• 1:23:26
  three event average because Ricky's two wins, Ricky is 1.3,
• 1:23:30
  Jason is 2 and then well this is where worst three event average.
• 1:23:36
  Jason's at 12, Ricky's at 15 and I think winning the games, it's
• 1:23:42
  not about like your wins, it's more about what you are, not
• 1:23:46
  what you are bad at the fact that you're not bad at anything
• 1:23:49
  right you're top ten in everything so I'll.
• 1:23:52
  Come back to this. But this is where you and I
• 1:23:53
  differ. Open scoring is 60. 4 To Jason.
• 1:23:57
  And 69 to Ricky. So like 5 out of seven of these,
• 1:24:02
  Jason is better than Ricky and Ricky's the closest one.
• 1:24:05
  What's funny is James. James head to head is 4 to 6, He
• 1:24:10
  beat Jay. He beat Jason 6 times out of 10
• 1:24:13
  events Average event placement is 6.4 to 6.8.
• 1:24:18
  He has a higher average event placement than Ricky does and
• 1:24:22
  then event wins one to one. Top three average 2 to 2.
• 1:24:26
  They're neck and neck except Jay.
• 1:24:28
  James beat Rick beat Jason one more time.
• 1:24:32
  Average event placement Jason has than your worst three
• 1:24:35
  average and this is where Jason gets everybody.
• 1:24:37
  His first three events were better than everybody else's is
• 1:24:41
  12 to 13.3. If you listen to that, James has
• 1:24:45
  a better claim to that. He beat Jason and he still
• 1:24:47
  didn't beat Jason. Jason still wins the majority of
• 1:24:50
  this but James did better than Ricky did just by like how your
• 1:24:54
  averages go. Since Ricky won more events, his
• 1:24:58
  wins placed him ahead of James, at least like as the competition
• 1:25:03
  develops, right? Open scoring 64 to 68.
• 1:25:06
  If it was scored the open, James beats Ricky by one point instead
• 1:25:10
  of Ricky beating him by one point.
• 1:25:12
  Now here is where this is a problem, right?
• 1:25:16
  You would like the P score right now it's a problem.
• 1:25:19
  And for this event, and we'll talk about why it happened and
• 1:25:22
  blah blah blah. This one is Jason versus Jay.
• 1:25:27
  OK, Jay. Again in CrossFit.
• 1:25:30
  Jay was. 6th place in. P score.
• 1:25:32
  He's 2nd place, but Hopper is 4th place.
• 1:25:35
  This is where this is an. Issue.
• 1:25:37
  Jay is second place in your scoring head to head versus
• 1:25:41
  Jason. Five to five.
• 1:25:43
  OK Average event placement. Jason wins 6.4 to 7.6.
• 1:25:47
  Jay's the only one. A whole place behind everybody
• 1:25:51
  else. Worst place.
• 1:25:52
  Finished 17th to 16th. About the same event.
• 1:25:56
  Wins 1:00 to 1:00. Top three event average 2 to 3.
• 1:26:00
  Jason. Worst three event average 12 to
• 1:26:03
  14. Jason wins a whole 2.
• 1:26:06
  Spots. Better which the only person
• 1:26:08
  that's better worse than is Ricky, who has a 15 right, open
• 1:26:12
  scoring 64 to 76, a whole 12 points ahead like open scoring.
• 1:26:18
  He's Jay. Jay is by far the worst out of
• 1:26:21
  everybody in your top five. And this the last one, I want to
• 1:26:25
  do this. And this one's kind of just
• 1:26:27
  interesting. This is Dallin.
• 1:26:30
  OK, head to head. Jason wins seven to three
• 1:26:35
  average event placement. 6.4 to 7. .1 better than Jay Crouch
• 1:26:41
  worst finish 17th to. 15th he's got the.
• 1:26:44
  Best, worst finish out of all of these guys?
• 1:26:47
  Top three event average because he didn't win anything, right?
• 1:26:51
  It's 2 to 4, Jason. He's got the work.
• 1:26:53
  Dallin has the worst top three best scores.
• 1:26:56
  This kind of blew my mind. Worst three event average.
• 1:27:00
  So take his three worst events. What average placement?
• 1:27:03
  He is 11.3 to Jason's 12. He has the best worst three
• 1:27:09
  event average out of anybody in the entire field.
• 1:27:12
  But since his best 3 placements are much lower, he he was just
• 1:27:16
  he was. He didn't hear about Dallin
• 1:27:18
  until. The very end correct, but if you
• 1:27:21
  take Dallin's. Stats versus J Stats.
• 1:27:24
  He beats J in every single one, yet you have J.
• 1:27:30
  As second. Place in your P scoring Jason
• 1:27:33
  all through this is better than all of them in the majority.
• 1:27:37
  There's one. There's one word you used over.
• 1:27:40
  And over and over again. And it's the thing that your
• 1:27:42
  stats are built entirely on, which is placement, how
• 1:27:47
  competition goes, yes, and I. Understand.
• 1:27:50
  I understand how how big of a. Gap there are, right?
• 1:27:53
  Which is the entire thesis of P. Score which is how much did you
• 1:27:57
  win by who were you next to and Jay just so happened to be on
• 1:28:01
  the bad breaking side of of placements but he was always at
• 1:28:06
  the top he just like he will drop 3 points as opposed to
• 1:28:10
  being right there next to somebody we've talked a lot
• 1:28:13
  about the back squat right but. There were 4 workouts.
• 1:28:17
  Was it 3 or 4? That were under 5.
• 1:28:19
  Minutes. Yes, it was a lot. 3 workouts
• 1:28:22
  that were under 5. Minutes plus the back squat.
• 1:28:24
  So you have where seconds matter where if Jay doesn't, if he.
• 1:28:31
  Was on the bad. Side of a placement, but within
• 1:28:36
  a half, second, right? Right.
• 1:28:39
  He'd lose that. That would leapfrog you.
• 1:28:40
  Significantly on the P. Score.
• 1:28:43
  I think you could say that for anybody though, dude.
• 1:28:45
  If Jason doesn't not as last match, well sure, but like.
• 1:28:50
  That frog. Had wings, he wouldn't bump his
• 1:28:52
  butt when he jumped we're we're only.
• 1:28:54
  All of that right now is the case, yeah.
• 1:28:56
  But I think what happens is I think when when Tyler talks
• 1:29:00
  about it like the programming matters and like obviously the
• 1:29:05
  games were not programmed for P score in mind.
• 1:29:07
  No, the athletes aren't competing on the P score.
• 1:29:09
  But I don't think in most cases they're not.
• 1:29:12
  They're not other than the run, the run row run where they even
• 1:29:17
  then Jay, Jeff and. Roman were right there with each
• 1:29:20
  other. Yeah, they're not going to.
• 1:29:21
  They're not going to change that much.
• 1:29:24
  But So what spin is saying what you're saying and like Jay is?
• 1:29:27
  Just on the bad brakes of those clusters again and again.
• 1:29:30
  And that's why his P score is not affected.
• 1:29:32
  That just means Jay is freaking Cole Sager, right?
• 1:29:37
  He works, he finishes his best 24/7 and he doesn't like see
• 1:29:41
  everybody's behind and then just coast in 'cause he doesn't need
• 1:29:44
  to work as hard. What I what I would say, and
• 1:29:46
  what I've always used the P score for.
• 1:29:48
  Is. Did they perform better than?
• 1:29:51
  Maybe. What their place?
• 1:29:52
  Showed because they were so close to somebody, they just
• 1:29:55
  didn't get the points. I would say that would be the
• 1:29:57
  case of Jay Crouch for Hopper. He did what he needed to do to
• 1:30:03
  beat people, sure, And he ended on the right side of that.
• 1:30:08
  On those really close races, he was on the good side.
• 1:30:11
  And that just goes to probably what I mean.
• 1:30:15
  You saw Jason. He would look around all the.
• 1:30:16
  Time of where where his people are and if he could beat them
• 1:30:21
  right. And so like, yes, the, the, the,
• 1:30:25
  the article of the, the story is to get people riled up and get
• 1:30:28
  him to look at it and read it at the end of the day, like I think
• 1:30:33
  it really shows first how close everything was.
• 1:30:36
  You could, I mean, what John went through, they were very,
• 1:30:40
  very close for a lot of those, those metrics.
• 1:30:43
  Your stats are cool on Jason versus James.
• 1:30:45
  That's. Fucking crazy.
• 1:30:46
  And then just. How you have to like you have to
• 1:30:53
  win those battles you. Have to get those extra.
• 1:30:55
  Seconds you have to get those extra placements.
• 1:30:58
  P score. You don't get the benefit of
• 1:31:00
  that in the games it does right? Like sprinting to the finish
• 1:31:04
  line and gaining half a second, especially in these short races
• 1:31:09
  matters. Key score, it doesn't really
• 1:31:11
  matter. Like you lose half A. 2nd.
• 1:31:13
  You lose a point, but it could be worth 4812 points if you walk
• 1:31:19
  to the finish line, right? And and so that's the trade off
• 1:31:22
  with. Switching from game scoring to P
• 1:31:24
  score is that those leading scores are going to get higher
• 1:31:30
  and higher or people will be pushed to exaggerate their their
• 1:31:34
  lead. And that's sort of what I'm
• 1:31:36
  after because I want to know what humans are really capable
• 1:31:39
  of. And this has been my argument
• 1:31:40
  with swimming for years is like people just get good enough at
• 1:31:43
  swimming, but we don't know how good crossfitters really can be
• 1:31:47
  at swimming because we we don't really have to.
• 1:31:49
  If you can get a 30 point lead on your competitors, you would,
• 1:31:54
  but you, you're just going to get 100 points if you're on a Co
• 1:31:57
  skier or whoever's going to win the swim event.
• 1:31:59
  So there's no reason to like train harder on it.
• 1:32:01
  And that sucks to me. The part where the go ahead.
• 1:32:06
  Here's a question for you. Brian G 93, Thank.
• 1:32:09
  You for the $5? Wouldn't this make the finish of
• 1:32:11
  events like Running Isabel less interesting?
• 1:32:13
  If you edge two people out by one second, your scores will be
• 1:32:15
  very similar. But is that not exact?
• 1:32:18
  Like they're they're as. Fit as each other and they're
• 1:32:21
  going to go this as hard because they know I can just be right
• 1:32:25
  next to Jason and get basically as many points to him.
• 1:32:29
  It'll be a harder battle. I think there is something too
• 1:32:33
  though. Like being that gamer that finds
• 1:32:37
  a way to win by that. One second.
• 1:32:42
  Like when it's come you, you're all hurting but you're all in
• 1:32:45
  the same spot. Who wants to hurt just that much
• 1:32:50
  more because it is worth 4 points?
• 1:32:53
  It's not just the same score. I think you almost incentivize
• 1:32:57
  with with workouts where you're killing everybody.
• 1:33:01
  You. Incentivize You should kill
• 1:33:04
  everybody more. We should see what's possible,
• 1:33:07
  right? Workouts like running, Isabel,
• 1:33:10
  you almost incentivize them not to work as hard because if
• 1:33:13
  they're all gonna get the same score, they're all within the
• 1:33:15
  same second. Like, go into that maximal where
• 1:33:19
  you can't feel your arms just to beat the next five guys because
• 1:33:23
  they're all in the same spot. Yeah.
• 1:33:25
  I mean, yeah, that's the thing. I think they.
• 1:33:28
  All would end up doing that. They would all would end up no.
• 1:33:30
  No, he's a Pat. No, just think about this if
• 1:33:32
  Hatfield. Wins.
• 1:33:33
  Right. I'm not talking about the
• 1:33:35
  winner, I'm talking about no I. Know no, I'm saying no I'm.
• 1:33:37
  Saying like if Hatfield wins, he's.
• 1:33:39
  Going to win running Isabel it's.
• 1:33:43
  Getting that extra. 2nd. To get second place versus 5th
• 1:33:47
  place, because they're all going to come within 3 seconds of each
• 1:33:50
  other, it doesn't matter. It's a point here or there
• 1:33:54
  versus 2nd to 5th is worth, what, 16 points?
• 1:33:59
  12 points? Yeah, huge difference.
• 1:34:02
  You got to beat the opponent next to you like in some some
• 1:34:07
  way the P score you're fighting, you're competing against
• 1:34:09
  yourself whereas the game scoring.
• 1:34:13
  You're competing against others. And all that matters is you beat
• 1:34:15
  them right? Like it doesn't matter if you
• 1:34:17
  score a touchdown by an inch or you have a huge Hail Mary, you
• 1:34:22
  know, score a touchdown easily, right?
• 1:34:24
  Like some big crazy play it. You still get 7 points.
• 1:34:28
  P score would be like, well, you just barely got it.
• 1:34:31
  So you get 4 points and that's the difference for me is like
• 1:34:35
  John, you pushing. Into the sports side, which I
• 1:34:37
  appreciate and it's not lost on me at all, but to me it's
• 1:34:42
  finding the fittest on earth, right?
• 1:34:45
  And that the. Difference in that is.
• 1:34:47
  Super thin sometimes and we have to be very excited about it.
• 1:34:51
  Joe, fair enough. You're welcome.
• 1:34:56
  That. That's a fantastic comment man.
• 1:34:59
  So to me I I'm trying. To find the fittest on Earth.
• 1:35:03
  And placement doesn't do that exactly correctly sometimes, but
• 1:35:08
  it's not lost on me that we lose some of those.
• 1:35:12
  You know, the, the, I don't think you lose the moments,
• 1:35:15
  John. I think you're wrong about that.
• 1:35:17
  Because if so and so if if Austin goes out and he's blazing
• 1:35:20
  a trail, someone's going to think they can chase him.
• 1:35:24
  And then the person that's chasing that person, we'll,
• 1:35:28
  we'll go faster. And I think if you find two
• 1:35:30
  people next to each other, if you find 2.
• 1:35:33
  People next to each other within a workout, they look at each
• 1:35:36
  other and they know they're going to get the same amount of
• 1:35:38
  points no matter what. They stop working as hard.
• 1:35:41
  We've not seen that at Crash, dude.
• 1:35:43
  I think you have seen. That crash?
• 1:35:45
  I don't think so. If you if you're a crash
• 1:35:47
  athlete. Who's done the Peace Corps?
• 1:35:49
  Tell me if you thought that thought they may not.
• 1:35:52
  They may not understand it. Colton would be an interesting.
• 1:35:57
  Person to talk to talk. This because he's done
• 1:36:00
  competition with both and he's probably been in positions where
• 1:36:04
  he could make that decision where like I don't need to work
• 1:36:06
  as hard here why would I or I'm going to push try to beat
• 1:36:11
  everybody by as much as I can like I feel like he's been on
• 1:36:14
  both sides of the coin of what we're saying I think I.
• 1:36:19
  Don't know Real real. Quick on back squat and we got
• 1:36:21
  to move on. Yeah, so.
• 1:36:22
  Back squat what? Happened was this is this part,
• 1:36:27
  this is the part that goes into the programming, but also the
• 1:36:31
  limitations sort of at the scoring system.
• 1:36:33
  So what I did was I removed Nick and Colton from that event and
• 1:36:39
  what happens is, is because the Max goes down to 515, less
• 1:36:45
  people are in the zone where you actually get points.
• 1:36:48
  The the bottom, the floor for the most acceptable back squat
• 1:36:53
  is raised. That is what made the difference
• 1:36:57
  between Ricky and Jason. Jason goes back up to what did I
• 1:37:03
  say in the article? He goes back up to first I.
• 1:37:08
  Think but Jay. Jay actually jumps up.
• 1:37:13
  You can't jump up much more than second.
• 1:37:16
  Ricky drops the 4th. Jay moves up the.
• 1:37:18
  First Topper. Goes the second, which is crazy
• 1:37:20
  if you get rid of the top two people, the fact that.
• 1:37:23
  Jay Crouch's first I think should show you that there is
• 1:37:27
  some like there is a problem with it.
• 1:37:29
  No dude, Jay Crouch in no way being in a.
• 1:37:32
  Pack being. In a pack fucks you.
• 1:37:34
  Over so hard because if you're on the wrong side of that pack,
• 1:37:38
  you get deducted so many points so quickly.
• 1:37:41
  And it's it's it's not it's not deserved.
• 1:37:44
  You are as fit as those people and you're getting the wrong end
• 1:37:48
  of a tie break. Yeah, but again it goes back to
• 1:37:52
  the. Competition Ricky.
• 1:37:55
  If he lifted 10 more pounds, he's a champion.
• 1:37:59
  He did not. Do that like you you.
• 1:38:00
  Watch the games right Tyler? Take.
• 1:38:05
  Take take this out of it. I know it's going to be hard for
• 1:38:07
  you to. Do it, but take it out of it.
• 1:38:10
  Take what out do you think Jay Crouch was?
• 1:38:12
  Fitter than Jason Hopper. Take take your article.
• 1:38:16
  Out and take your Peace Corps out of it like.
• 1:38:17
  Try not to think that you did this.
• 1:38:19
  You watch the games. Do you think Jay Crouch was as
• 1:38:23
  fit as Jason Hopper? I didn't answer for.
• 1:38:26
  No hone in on Jay is. Enough to be able to say.
• 1:38:30
  Confidently, I was watching the world a lot.
• 1:38:34
  You. Have like not a problem.
• 1:38:36
  Of honing in on him. You probably watched Ricky more
• 1:38:39
  than Jay. You probably watched James more.
• 1:38:41
  Than Jay. I watched Jason because I wanted
• 1:38:44
  him to win. I watch who I want to win in
• 1:38:47
  those circumstances, I you can't watch the entire floor,
• 1:38:50
  especially from the floor. I would I would have to go back
• 1:38:55
  and. Watch I I really I'm.
• 1:38:57
  I'm not including my bias. I haven't watched Jay's
• 1:39:00
  performance. OK I would just watch the games
• 1:39:03
  from the most. Unbiased way, Jay has a great
• 1:39:06
  day one like you're probably think, yeah, dude, Jay is
• 1:39:09
  fitter. He is the fittest, right?
• 1:39:11
  Because his day one's phenomenal.
• 1:39:13
  But just watch the entire games. And if you can honestly tell me
• 1:39:16
  that you think Jay is fitter than Jason, keep the scoreboard
• 1:39:21
  out. Just keep just watch them the
• 1:39:23
  whole games, those two. And if you think Jay is actually
• 1:39:28
  fitter than Jason, then I will say that you have a point and it
• 1:39:34
  but you have to take your bias out.
• 1:39:36
  And then if you cannot say that it needs to be skewed a little
• 1:39:40
  bit because there is no way in my opinion that Jay Crouch was
• 1:39:46
  better than Jason Hopper in any way at that games, I think you
• 1:39:52
  would also be biased. To the winner.
• 1:39:56
  To. Jason.
• 1:39:58
  I'm not biased. I don't.
• 1:39:59
  Care how Jason does. Like I.
• 1:40:01
  Just care about the truth. If you, I, I were you you.
• 1:40:05
  Might have been there. Who did I say I wanted to win
• 1:40:07
  the games? Austin.
• 1:40:11
  No, not Austin. No.
• 1:40:13
  Of the of the. People who were in it, I wanted
• 1:40:16
  I wanted James to win the games OK, like after a bit 9 I.
• 1:40:21
  Wanted James. To win the games 'cause I think
• 1:40:24
  he got a raw deal in 24, he did and I don't think people give
• 1:40:28
  him credit. I wanted James.
• 1:40:30
  To win the games and like, and you know, me and Hillary had a
• 1:40:32
  big discussion about it, right? What's what's hilarious is
• 1:40:34
  counter to your point. About it shifting so much, James
• 1:40:38
  no matter what stays at third sure I shifted in a bunch so he
• 1:40:42
  just stayed there and like if you look at my step open
• 1:40:45
  scoring, he. Beats Ricky, yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Open there a point. There a point, Yeah, he.
• 1:40:50
  Beat Jason. Mourn head to head, he.
• 1:40:52
  Beats everybody except Jason in open scoring.
• 1:40:57
  His top 3 is better than Jason, his bottom three are just worse
• 1:41:00
  than Jason. But.
• 1:41:03
  The and let hey and. Don't take this out of.
• 1:41:06
  Control like I think Jay is awesome.
• 1:41:09
  I I tried to talk about Jay. A lot on the set.
• 1:41:12
  On our podcast, because we often forget about him, I just in no.
• 1:41:18
  Way was he better than Jason? Hopper at that games.
• 1:41:20
  All right, we're moving on. I think somehow we.
• 1:41:25
  We kept 6. 163 people. Around for that.
• 1:41:29
  So anyway go read the article and go yell at Tyler and
• 1:41:34
  Instagram comments because he got 20 of them.
• 1:41:36
  It'd be good. People are so dumb.
• 1:41:38
  Every time we do these, I'm like God.
• 1:41:39
  People are dumb. It's fantastic.
• 1:41:41
  I appreciate. It boost the algorithm.
• 1:41:44
  All right, blind rankings. We need to add according to P
• 1:41:49
  score. On every article.
• 1:41:50
  Please from now. No, no, no.
• 1:41:53
  This time blind. Rankings.
• 1:41:55
  Games. Moments, good or bad and
• 1:41:57
  different. What will you remember from the
• 1:42:00
  2025 CrossFit Games? This is so hard.
• 1:42:03
  When you go, I will. Always remember.
• 1:42:09
  Here we go. In 10 years, what will you
• 1:42:11
  think? Back to of the 2025 CrossFit
• 1:42:13
  Games. Here we go by the Albany Sucked
• 1:42:16
  Merton's 500. And 75500.
• 1:42:19
  And £70 back squat second Yeah 2.
• 1:42:24
  Wow, we we're in lock. Step lock step.
• 1:42:27
  Let's go. Yeah, he was.
• 1:42:29
  He was amazing. And just like.
• 1:42:32
  No one even close. No, no, it was crazy.
• 1:42:36
  Next up, hoppers failed snatch. So so like if we think about
• 1:42:42
  this like. 10 years. From now, I think this will be
• 1:42:45
  forgotten. I think 10 years from now.
• 1:42:48
  Yeah, I do. It's not.
• 1:42:50
  It's not Rich Froning's rope climb fail.
• 1:42:52
  He still won. I think if he ends up losing,
• 1:42:55
  like if this was the last event and he lost because of this
• 1:42:58
  event, then it's more memorable. He still won.
• 1:43:02
  Do you remember Patrick Vellner's plate like rolling
• 1:43:05
  around 2018? But like I it wouldn't If you
• 1:43:08
  say 2018 games, that's not what what would come to you.
• 1:43:11
  No, it's not. You see what I'm saying?
• 1:43:13
  So like I would. Say.
• 1:43:15
  I I think just. Only people like me 10 years
• 1:43:17
  from now would be like, do you remember when Hopper failed that
• 1:43:19
  snatch? And then you would be like, yes,
• 1:43:21
  I remember that. Yeah.
• 1:43:22
  It wouldn't come to you immediately.
• 1:43:24
  No, I would say 4 or 5I. Was never won. 4/4 I was
• 1:43:29
  watching Jason do that. I was like this bastard.
• 1:43:32
  Lost the games I thought he did Freak dude.
• 1:43:34
  I thought he did, honestly. Made it exciting because if he
• 1:43:37
  didn't, if he didn't, I mean. Even your freaking Peace Corps
• 1:43:40
  couldn't tell him he didn't win the game.
• 1:43:42
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean listening.
• 1:43:45
  To him. Tell the story, though, on
• 1:43:46
  Sivan. Was that was fun to listen to.
• 1:43:50
  Like just all. Of the thoughts that he had.
• 1:43:52
  And like he. Was willing to share like I'm
• 1:43:56
  never going to win the games now, like ever.
• 1:43:59
  He was really vulnerable. And I appreciated him for that,
• 1:44:04
  right? I just wanted to bring this.
• 1:44:07
  Up because this guy clearly didn't listen to anything and
• 1:44:11
  you are you're you're a hard R You know, I told I told somebody
• 1:44:16
  I wouldn't say that word anymore.
• 1:44:18
  But you are a capital R Ruthenberg.
• 1:44:23
  Ruthenberg, right? And do like just.
• 1:44:27
  He was in the cloud. He was the.
• 1:44:29
  Cloud get better. Get better.
• 1:44:31
  I'm just disappointed. At your retarded I just started
• 1:44:34
  to count you're whoops, you're Idi Idiocracy.
• 1:44:41
  Gosh Dang it, I. Was doing so good I'm actually
• 1:44:44
  you're. Trying really hard at that.
• 1:44:45
  Oh man, I'm so watching you fumble over that on the podcast.
• 1:44:50
  That the games was hilarious. They were like, you were like,
• 1:44:53
  can I say it? And then they basically told you
• 1:44:55
  no and then you said no. Peter said, yeah, I think you
• 1:44:58
  can't. And then like.
• 1:44:59
  I think he. Thought I was talking about a
• 1:45:00
  different word. And he goes, Oh no, you can't
• 1:45:02
  say that. And I was like, gosh Dang it,
• 1:45:03
  Peter. All right, next.
• 1:45:07
  Up nailed it. Lydia.
• 1:45:10
  'S fish hats. See, Jason doesn't remember it.
• 1:45:15
  I did. Five this would be.
• 1:45:19
  Five we'll. Remember it I'll.
• 1:45:21
  Remember it, it's, it's a field. It's funny, but.
• 1:45:25
  Like irrelevant in the it's irrelevant.
• 1:45:28
  But it it was I. I will always appreciate.
• 1:45:31
  It I thought that was props to her for actually coming out like
• 1:45:36
  no one would do that. And I was like, hell yes, Lydia,
• 1:45:39
  like way to play the game. I wanted to squat in it.
• 1:45:44
  Oh, I did. Too.
• 1:45:44
  I thought she was going. To for a minute.
• 1:45:46
  I mean. It it was it was a great moment,
• 1:45:48
  but it. Was more like this was it's not
• 1:45:51
  going to be like what we remember the 2025 CrossFit Games
• 1:45:55
  for all right, sorry, Lydia. But I wish more.
• 1:46:02
  Athletes had fan. Sections like that I.
• 1:46:05
  Wish more athletes just had fun with it.
• 1:46:07
  Just had fun, yeah. And that was my thing with.
• 1:46:11
  Lydia like it's your freshman season and you're having that
• 1:46:14
  much fun. It was incredible.
• 1:46:16
  I think for the last event they should have WWE.
• 1:46:20
  Intros and we're like and like everybody should submit your own
• 1:46:23
  song be like hey, if you're in the last heat, the last event
• 1:46:27
  we're going to do WWE intros and then we're going to and then
• 1:46:31
  you're just going to have your own walk out song And you know
• 1:46:34
  you guys think like we take a little extra time for like first
• 1:46:38
  place song right and then like the announcer starts hyping it
• 1:46:42
  up and then and then he goes and in first place with a score of
• 1:46:48
  673. Hopper and then and then you
• 1:46:54
  just stone cold glass. Breaks and then and then he just
• 1:46:59
  and then a mix of Cena what would hopper whatever you.
• 1:47:04
  Want walk out Song B? I don't know, Jason, you're in
• 1:47:06
  the comments. You go ahead and say what your.
• 1:47:08
  Walk out song would be but I think it would be awesome.
• 1:47:10
  I think it would get personality.
• 1:47:13
  I think the crowd would like it. Shout out to Lydia also for.
• 1:47:17
  Qualifying because she did an event at midnight and then
• 1:47:21
  getting 13th at the Games. Vindicator.
• 1:47:24
  I haven't watched the The Train Think Tank podcast but.
• 1:47:26
  Lydia was not supposed to wear the fish hat on the floor.
• 1:47:28
  And she did it. Yeah, Lydia had like a freaking
• 1:47:31
  roller coaster. Like.
• 1:47:32
  Crazy. 2nd place after day, 118th place after day beat.
• 1:47:38
  Tia. In the van and then meets in the
• 1:47:40
  middle at 13th. Like.
• 1:47:42
  That's that's, that's pretty cool.
• 1:47:43
  It's basically the same as Syria, but Syria just didn't.
• 1:47:47
  Come back day three. She just kept on, stayed down,
• 1:47:50
  stayed in day one. All right.
• 1:47:53
  Next up first or third? Willow on the Jumbotron and we
• 1:47:59
  screwed this up. This is good dude, no.
• 1:48:01
  This was a great moment, man. No one will ever remember this.
• 1:48:04
  Oh, I disagree. I.
• 1:48:05
  Think we will remember this a lot?
• 1:48:07
  I think every single mom, you should be ashamed of yourself.
• 1:48:12
  Jeanette's going to remember this moment.
• 1:48:15
  I. Promise you she will after.
• 1:48:17
  Next year. Dude.
• 1:48:19
  She started crying and. I was like this is that was a
• 1:48:23
  cool. I don't get that's why Tia
• 1:48:24
  didn't do well. I'm not.
• 1:48:26
  I'm not Chase. Like Chase gets sappy.
• 1:48:29
  Like for everything. But I'm telling you, it was
• 1:48:32
  just, it was a really cool moment.
• 1:48:34
  And you guys can disagree. Maybe I'm getting soft, you
• 1:48:37
  know, because I'm a new daddy. But you know, I I don't think
• 1:48:41
  it'll be the most memorable. We can put it at 3, but we have
• 1:48:46
  to. It's not one.
• 1:48:48
  All right, fine. Shit, I.
• 1:48:52
  I enjoyed it again. Maybe I'm getting soft.
• 1:48:56
  All right, last one, you guys left.
• 1:48:58
  Number one for last. Terrible idea.
• 1:49:01
  Really good or really, really bad?
• 1:49:02
  All right, here we go. Lucy's handstand.
• 1:49:08
  Walk. Boom, perfect list.
• 1:49:10
  Yeah. It was good.
• 1:49:12
  This should be. Titled a little differently, it
• 1:49:15
  should be like. Lucy slays the Queen, but.
• 1:49:22
  Best best best moment of the games like.
• 1:49:24
  I told you. Chase.
• 1:49:27
  Chase is so. Freaking.
• 1:49:29
  Sappy dude. It's so funny.
• 1:49:32
  He's not ashamed of it, but but like, it's, it's so funny.
• 1:49:36
  That's right. There you go, there's your.
• 1:49:39
  There's your blind rankings, games, moments.
• 1:49:41
  I like it. Where would you put Willow?
• 1:49:43
  You put Willow. Five and move Hopper Lydia up.
• 1:49:46
  Yeah, OK. You know, maybe.
• 1:49:49
  I'm a like. Yeah, we're we and Chase are in
• 1:49:52
  lock step. I don't go.
• 1:49:56
  To. Sorry, Chase, I couldn't.
• 1:49:57
  Align it to the left so. It's as good as I can get, so
• 1:50:03
  all right. Blind rankings and now what?
• 1:50:07
  What do we do for the next 6 months?
• 1:50:12
  We go into. We go into.
• 1:50:14
  Hibernation. Well, I think there's a
• 1:50:16
  competition in two weeks that we're going.
• 1:50:17
  To cover like super in depth it's called the hypercon games
• 1:50:23
  and we are going to get it we're going to know everybody we're
• 1:50:26
  going to wake up and watch it I don't I still don't know what it
• 1:50:29
  is, but we're going to learn OK, I.
• 1:50:32
  Somehow think Hunter. McIntyre.
• 1:50:34
  'S involved. In.
• 1:50:35
  It because we got spam, but I think he had like 3 burner
• 1:50:37
  accounts. But yeah, I'm really excited to
• 1:50:41
  cover it and and then, you know, we'll, you know, we'll, we'll
• 1:50:45
  figure something out with the CrossFit stuff.
• 1:50:47
  What do we dive into? Depression?
• 1:50:52
  I mean. I I know people.
• 1:50:57
  Have hated us for how we've covered.
• 1:51:02
  World Fitness Project or our opinions?
• 1:51:04
  On World Fitness Project, but in the.
• 1:51:08
  Last two days I've. Heard multiple people talk about
• 1:51:13
  no talk about the upcoming world fitness project as like I'll go
• 1:51:21
  like that. That was crazy on the boys
• 1:51:24
  interrupted. Down they were like, are you,
• 1:51:26
  will you do it next season? And down was like it depends on
• 1:51:30
  and I was like, uh huh, like they probably will still, but
• 1:51:34
  dude, they're. They're starting to see it.
• 1:51:36
  They're starting to see it like hoppers, like, I'm just going to
• 1:51:40
  go like. I'll, I'll, I got two weeks off.
• 1:51:42
  Like yes, he was in the gym, but like he's not going hard.
• 1:51:46
  He's probably just moving and trying to get like some of the
• 1:51:48
  soreness out. They're not approaching it the
• 1:51:53
  same way I think it was. John Wooley.
• 1:51:58
  On Not for Time last night said he he compared world fitness
• 1:52:05
  project to as like the arena arena football compared to the
• 1:52:08
  NFL yeah and any. What do you say grid was
• 1:52:13
  Canadian? League or something?
• 1:52:14
  Or no, no, it was XFL was XFL world.
• 1:52:17
  Fitness project and then Arena League was.
• 1:52:20
  I'm glad Grid League was even in the conversation.
• 1:52:22
  Quite. Honestly.
• 1:52:23
  Well, what's his face? Grid League asked.
• 1:52:26
  The question. So yeah, Grid League.
• 1:52:30
  But. I I get.
• 1:52:31
  A sense that maybe it's just the game.
• 1:52:36
  This game's brought it back, but.
• 1:52:38
  Like there's a renewed sense of. Excitement.
• 1:52:44
  Sense of pride to go. Compete at your best at the
• 1:52:47
  Games and everything else is going to be I'm going to fit it
• 1:52:50
  into my training, Colton said that on Sunday night, I think is
• 1:52:53
  what he said. Right?
• 1:52:55
  Like, yeah, I'm going to. They're going to go there and
• 1:52:56
  they're going to try their best, but it's not going to be.
• 1:53:01
  They're not going to direct their.
• 1:53:02
  Training for it, I think we're going to see far less athletes.
• 1:53:08
  Trying to be. Like.
• 1:53:11
  For it by like. Trying to like.
• 1:53:14
  Like post and be like, no guys like y'all are just being mean.
• 1:53:19
  Like yeah, like y'all like, like why can't we all just get along?
• 1:53:23
  Like I think there's going to be way less of that.
• 1:53:26
  And like, yeah, they're going to go do it.
• 1:53:28
  It's free money. Why wouldn't you?
• 1:53:31
  I probably will watch it and not talk about it, but like, I dude,
• 1:53:38
  it's going downhill. Jackson left.
• 1:53:41
  He's he's the first, first peg the the the rumors about them.
• 1:53:47
  In including more athletes in the pro division, they told me
• 1:53:52
  everything that I needed to know.
• 1:53:54
  And getting rid. Of the Challenger division,
• 1:53:56
  yeah. And and and there's some,
• 1:53:58
  there's some. Other stuff.
• 1:54:00
  That I'm not going to say. Thank you, John.
• 1:54:08
  Yeah, it. I think I'm getting better.
• 1:54:11
  What's funny is. We'll get so curious.
• 1:54:13
  Like. Who?
• 1:54:15
  Shows up. In three weeks.
• 1:54:18
  I Alexis isn't showing up in three weeks.
• 1:54:21
  Not showing up. Showing up.
• 1:54:23
  Oh no, she probably didn't. Show up at all?
• 1:54:25
  I would not think so. Like I just wonder if.
• 1:54:31
  They do have Nixon. Bruises or herniated disc, like
• 1:54:35
  those things, they're not going to go push.
• 1:54:39
  Through it. And you can't.
• 1:54:43
  We've been saying this, There's been plenty of offseason
• 1:54:46
  competitions that people didn't because their their body got
• 1:54:48
  beat up. And now we're seeing it.
• 1:54:52
  So, you know, we got that. We've got Socal.
• 1:54:57
  That'll be vogue. I don't think I'm going I.
• 1:55:00
  Don't know. I don't know if we're covering
• 1:55:01
  it like I think, I think it's. Kind of like it's just kind of
• 1:55:05
  we're figuring it out, but I think Socal will be really,
• 1:55:08
  really fun. Yeah.
• 1:55:09
  It'll be a fun Offseason 1. I might go.
• 1:55:13
  We'll see. We might.
• 1:55:15
  Maybe. It's always get excited when
• 1:55:17
  it's great. It's greater than 0%, so.
• 1:55:21
  I listen if. If you pay for my.
• 1:55:26
  Flight and and. Home.
• 1:55:30
  That is the scariest thing I've ever seen.
• 1:55:34
  That was frightening. Oh my gosh.
• 1:55:37
  Will you fill? Us in on what it is.
• 1:55:39
  Please, I'm sorry. Dude, it's I, I genuinely.
• 1:55:42
  Like the thought a demon was outside.
• 1:55:45
  For a second. And it is a.
• 1:55:49
  So I don't know what Leslie. 'S doing, but she has Abby.
• 1:55:52
  Outside and like we have like a Bush here and she's like in the
• 1:55:56
  Bush and like was basically held Abby up and was like, like like
• 1:56:01
  like like, hey, hey, look at me, but like.
• 1:56:03
  I didn't. Know they were outside like I
• 1:56:05
  didn't it's it's it's dark out it's 830 and the lights are out
• 1:56:09
  and I looked over there and then she's just got these big eyes
• 1:56:12
  and her mouth is wide open and with Abby just here I thought I
• 1:56:16
  was watching like like hereditary with like a child.
• 1:56:21
  SAC Oh my God, you. Can't say that dude.
• 1:56:23
  Dude. I'm talking it scared me like.
• 1:56:26
  Genuinely like it took me a little bit to figure out what
• 1:56:29
  what I was looking at, but they laughed.
• 1:56:32
  I don't know where they were I. I did say that.
• 1:56:36
  That. WFP has billions, and I think
• 1:56:39
  that that's true. It does.
• 1:56:40
  It also means if they have billions, they probably
• 1:56:43
  understand how money works and aren't going to dump a bunch
• 1:56:46
  like too much money into a sinking ship.
• 1:56:50
  That's true. Lee Frazier, 499.
• 1:56:52
  That's goes to John's airplane fund for Socal.
• 1:56:55
  Thanks Lee. Sweet does.
• 1:56:58
  We talked about this a little. Bit Tyler does.
• 1:56:59
  Brooke. Wells compete that world in this
• 1:57:02
  project. I think so.
• 1:57:03
  I mean like it's it's. Evident, you don't have to go
• 1:57:06
  all out. You're assigned athlete.
• 1:57:08
  You just have to sort of show up and try.
• 1:57:10
  And so why wouldn't you? I mean, we see it all the time.
• 1:57:14
  Athletes will retire and you'll see them at competitions.
• 1:57:16
  She's already got a contract, so why wouldn't she continue to do
• 1:57:19
  it? I probably would.
• 1:57:21
  I'd say we'll see her at Socal. We'll see her, or maybe not at
• 1:57:24
  Socal, but Biden, I don't know, but we'll see her at
• 1:57:28
  Waterpalooza, I bet. Like we'll see her places.
• 1:57:32
  And I would think that WFP is on the top of that list.
• 1:57:38
  Sarah Cooper. Coming in hard, that 30 seconds
• 1:57:40
  was better than. The entire P score section.
• 1:57:42
  Thanks, Sarah. Who is?
• 1:57:53
  Invited to Socal. I had, I don't.
• 1:57:58
  Know I know one athlete who's not, but I don't I can't
• 1:58:02
  remember the ones who are Taylor's self is.
• 1:58:08
  Not invited. It's the top.
• 1:58:11
  Invited to. So Cal.
• 1:58:12
  It's the top athletes. And I think.
• 1:58:14
  That there should be one that's. Not I got you.
• 1:58:16
  I got you real quick. There is one.
• 1:58:18
  That I don't think should go. Taylor No, Somebody should be in
• 1:58:26
  for this. Person.
• 1:58:29
  Oh yeah, I know what you're saying.
• 1:58:31
  Let's see remove someone better. And like, it's crazy that
• 1:58:34
  they're not. It should be.
• 1:58:35
  The top people. There you go, you're some Tia.
• 1:58:39
  Danielle, Amy. Kringle, Alexis.
• 1:58:40
  Raptis, Grace. Walton.
• 1:58:42
  OK. Hopper, Gerard.
• 1:58:45
  Pepper. Crouch.
• 1:58:45
  Maderos Kredekov. But that's not everybody, right?
• 1:58:52
  Yeah. No, it is.
• 1:58:53
  It's 3:00 and 3:00. Yeah, I don't know who the. 6th
• 1:58:56
  woman. Is.
• 1:58:56
  Oh, interesting. Lucy Campbell.
• 1:59:02
  And no. Team Team North America needs.
• 1:59:04
  Another woman. Oh no, Geez, going to be there.
• 1:59:10
  Gross. Gross.
• 1:59:13
  Olivia, maybe? Dude, I don't know if Olivia
• 1:59:16
  would want to. She's got.
• 1:59:16
  School. Man.
• 1:59:18
  Alex J Dallin. Kringle Medeiros, Emma Tall
• 1:59:25
  There's a there's a whole bunch of.
• 1:59:26
  Different people. Yeah, Daniel.
• 1:59:28
  Brandon, why is James? Not on the team, that is the
• 1:59:32
  question. Consecutive years on the.
• 1:59:34
  Podium won last. Year and he won Wadapalooza.
• 1:59:38
  This is sponsored by Tier and he is.
• 1:59:41
  Not a tier. Does Tier have a thing against
• 1:59:43
  him? It's their competition, yeah,
• 1:59:46
  but it's. So Cal though.
• 1:59:49
  It's a it's he won. The other water pollute that I
• 1:59:52
  think you're doing. You are not inviting the best
• 1:59:55
  athletes if James is not there. Get over yourself tier.
• 1:59:59
  Get over your showcase. Not a classic competition.
• 2:00:02
  How? Long are we going to show Guy?
• 2:00:04
  I've seen it. Forever.
• 2:00:06
  Well, I mean, I'm sure Pat's there, but he's A tier.
• 2:00:08
  As long as. He continues to show him, fixing
• 2:00:10
  his sink. Is everybody else?
• 2:00:13
  I mean, not everybody else, but. Most I want Adidas to take over
• 2:00:16
  the space I'm sick of. Tear.
• 2:00:18
  I do like Adidas way better. It goes.
• 2:00:21
  In a couple of year cycles, Pat Lang.
• 2:00:24
  Hey, John, could Austin have won the games if he was half as
• 2:00:27
  interested in winning as he was in Haley?
• 2:00:30
  You don't know how interested he is in Haley.
• 2:00:36
  I think he's interested. I didn't say he wasn't.
• 2:00:38
  Interested I just how much? I think he is interested in
• 2:00:42
  winning. I don't think he's just there
• 2:00:46
  and whatever you want to make out with Haley, but he has to
• 2:00:51
  work on pulling. Yeah, I do not.
• 2:00:54
  Pegboards and rope climbs I do not.
• 2:00:56
  Think he would have won the games?
• 2:00:57
  No and. He's going to have to show
• 2:01:00
  improvement if it means he's going to win the games in the
• 2:01:02
  future. I think, John, I don't agree
• 2:01:05
  with your. Argument that he needs to lose
• 2:01:08
  to to get the fire but I do think he just needs a little bit
• 2:01:12
  more seasoning he well what what I.
• 2:01:17
  Wanted to happen was he win the rope climb.
• 2:01:19
  Thruster workout and I get he wasn't even close, but if he
• 2:01:23
  wins the rope climb thruster workout, but then Jason gets
• 2:01:27
  like third and then he ends up second place and Jason ends up
• 2:01:31
  first place. Maybe not in Peace Corps, Jay
• 2:01:33
  Kraus got that wrapped up, but the but like the actual results,
• 2:01:38
  like he hits second place even though he goes 3 for three on
• 2:01:41
  Sunday and everybody kind of like, dude, he's the guy, but he
• 2:01:44
  still loses. Like that's what needed wouldn't
• 2:01:47
  have needed to happen for that like Fraser like fire to happen,
• 2:01:52
  right, But but that didn't happen.
• 2:01:54
  Like he was too bad at that last event that like I honestly at
• 2:01:59
  this point, I just think he needs to get better.
• 2:02:01
  Like he's in the running. He's in the running to win.
• 2:02:05
  He might. Win next year.
• 2:02:06
  But we saw, we saw it in 2015. Frasier couldn't climb the rope.
• 2:02:10
  Yeah, but that was after the the pig.
• 2:02:12
  It wasn't just from rope. Climbs, but it doesn't.
• 2:02:14
  It doesn't. I don't.
• 2:02:16
  As of right now, I don't see a Fraser Light takeover next year.
• 2:02:20
  I think he, he, he would have to get better.
• 2:02:23
  But they're good. They better be.
• 2:02:25
  Like all around better but and I think he would agree with that.
• 2:02:29
  Using the running to win it, I don't see a Fraser.
• 2:02:32
  Light. Takeover as of right now.
• 2:02:34
  I was dumbfounded by he. Really.
• 2:02:37
  Has one terrible weakness and it's pulling.
• 2:02:41
  I don't even. I don't.
• 2:02:43
  Get it dude? What's?
• 2:02:44
  That is, I don't I really. Actually, don't think that.
• 2:02:46
  He has a pulling issue. I don't think he's.
• 2:02:52
  Bad. I just don't think he's strong
• 2:02:54
  and he needs to make it a strength.
• 2:02:56
  No, I like, I think he tries to keep up with the big guys and
• 2:03:00
  like James, Jason and he can't. And that's the thing with D.
• 2:03:04
  Well, you see what I'm saying? James, rope climbs first of all
• 2:03:07
  is a problem. Because.
• 2:03:10
  You're not going to keep every year J Well, you're not going to
• 2:03:12
  keep up with James, Jason Dallon, but Matt when you're
• 2:03:18
  Matt would win that. Last workout, no doubt in my
• 2:03:20
  mind. Yes, because he was so fit at
• 2:03:26
  the thrusters. I don't think like no and the
• 2:03:28
  rope climb like they're no, but I know, but I.
• 2:03:30
  Don't think he'd be faster than Jason.
• 2:03:32
  On the rope climb, I think he'd be close to this Rep.
• 2:03:34
  Rep Yeah. I don't, that's what I mean.
• 2:03:37
  He'd be. He'd be the same speed and he
• 2:03:38
  could win on the because of. The thrusters, correct.
• 2:03:41
  The problem is Austin wild faster at the thrusters.
• 2:03:44
  It wears them out more than what it would have worn Matt out
• 2:03:47
  Shorty correct. So he's out then?
• 2:03:49
  Then he's slower on the rope. Climbs, whereas Matt could have.
• 2:03:52
  Keep up and go faster and still have more.
• 2:03:55
  Like I even think Jason and James might beat him on the
• 2:03:57
  rope. Climbs.
• 2:03:57
  But his transition speed would be so fast, Fraser's would like
• 2:04:02
  he would just pick up the barbell and then go unbroken on
• 2:04:04
  the thrusters and then just go his speed on the rope climbs.
• 2:04:08
  So they can get an advantage on the rope climbs.
• 2:04:10
  But they would not transition the way he would.
• 2:04:12
  And then it's an overhead lunge. Say they're together on an
• 2:04:15
  overhead lunge. How much you want to bet he goes
• 2:04:17
  unbroken like that's that's I'm not saying Fraser would.
• 2:04:21
  Dominate. But like that would be Austin's
• 2:04:26
  next step is to be able to last in workouts like that.
• 2:04:30
  And after kill Taylor, I was surprised he was not better at
• 2:04:36
  that workout. So that makes so now I'm just
• 2:04:39
  thinking he just needs to get better in general.
• 2:04:41
  I don't think it's he's going to win the next five years.
• 2:04:47
  All right, that wraps it up. Two hours, 5 minutes.
• 2:04:52
  We really came. In good on that one.
• 2:04:54
  I didn't think we were. Going to make it this close.
• 2:04:56
  It's good next week. Hybrid con games.
• 2:05:02
  I. Apologize to absolutely.
• 2:05:05
  Nobody.