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Still Comfy? Practical Magic · To All the Men I've Tolerated Before

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  Speaker 2: Now we're live. We are alive every time. Why would
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  Speaker 2: Yes, friends, welcome to Still Comfy with Jewels and Nat.
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  Speaker 2: This week on the show, we're discussing the nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: eight classic Practical Magic. But before we dive in, let's
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  Speaker 2: do some introductions. I'm Julia Washington, host of pop Culture
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  Speaker 2: Makes Me Jealous, where we analyze pop culture through the
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  Speaker 2: lens of race or gender and sometimes vote both. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean you'll also vote, but do vote.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm joined by I'm Natalie Katona, a host of
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  Speaker 1: the weekly podcast to all the men I've tolerated before,
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  Speaker 1: your weekly look at everyday misogyny.
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  Speaker 2: Mmmmm mmm, it sure is. And Natalie is not short
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  Speaker 2: of any topics because and our friends, what do we do?
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  Speaker 2: Live in misogyny? And that's why we should vote. That's
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  Speaker 2: why we should vote. If you're in California, you should
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  Speaker 2: have received your ballot by now California. So same in Ohio. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have until November eighth. People, that's a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot at a time.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of time. Yeah. Okay, So let's dive
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  Speaker 2: in a recap, real quick or summary, real quick of
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  Speaker 2: what practical magic was about for those of us, or
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  Speaker 2: for those of you who weren't born in the century
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  Speaker 2: when you could have seen it live on in the
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  Speaker 2: movie theater or on the superstation, or that Sally and
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  Speaker 2: Jillian Owens, born into a magical family, have mostly avoided
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  Speaker 2: witchcraft themselves, but when Jillian's vicious boyfriend, Jimmy Angelo, dies unexpectedly,
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  Speaker 2: the Owen's sister give themselves a crash course in hard magic.
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  Speaker 2: With Detective Gary Hallett growing suspicious, the women struggle to
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  Speaker 2: resurrect Jimmy and unwittingly inject his corpse with an evil
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  Speaker 2: spirit that threatens to end their family line. So the
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  Speaker 2: movie opens with the flashback of Maria Owens at her
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  Speaker 2: own hanging in the seventeenth century. She is a cue
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  Speaker 2: of being a witch, because apparently that's all women are
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  Speaker 2: allowed to be, and even then they're not allowed to be,
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  Speaker 2: And it is a voice over. As we're watching the
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  Speaker 2: scene unfold, we hear Stockard Channing's voice telling the story
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  Speaker 2: of Maria Owens and the history of magic within the
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  Speaker 2: Owens family and the Owens women, and the story of
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  Speaker 2: the curse. And then we come into present day sort
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  Speaker 2: of present day. Then we flash forward to the Owens
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  Speaker 2: Girls to the night Well, and then we see Gillian
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  Speaker 2: and Sally as little girls and their parents are very
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  Speaker 2: clearly in love, and then their mother hears the sound
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  Speaker 2: of the beatle because when Maria realizes that she her
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  Speaker 2: pregnant self is not being rescued, she places a what
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  Speaker 2: turns into a curse that any man who falls in
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  Speaker 2: love with an Owens woman will meet an untimely death.
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  Speaker 2: She did accidentally. It was Yeah, I don't think she
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  Speaker 2: meant to like first.
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  Speaker 1: Generation to the Sky or anything. She was just aggrieved.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and it's hard. Being pregnant alone is hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard. But she was already ninety something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was already like trying to be hanged for witchcraft.
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  Speaker 1: And then like, I mean, the whole movie's message is
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  Speaker 1: your manifestations come true.
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  Speaker 2: So be careful what you're screaming into the night. One
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent. I apologize for my dog. Somebody must be
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  Speaker 2: in their front yard doing yard work, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: like that. You're not allowed, not during our live Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So Natalie, you know me, I like to look up
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  Speaker 2: reviews when I'm the one hosting our things, and I
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  Speaker 2: have to tell you our resident misogynist, Roger Ebert, said
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  Speaker 2: practical magic is too scary for children and too childish
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  Speaker 2: for adults. Who was it made for? On the one hand,
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  Speaker 2: you have cute witches making jokes about magic potions and
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  Speaker 2: herbal shampoos, And on the other hand you have a
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  Speaker 2: kidnapping by an abusive boyfriend who dies them an overdose,
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  Speaker 2: but not for long. Moldy evil spirits rise up out
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  Speaker 2: of the other people's bodies, and teaspoons stir on their own.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Roger, Well, I too read a review, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't care about Roger Ebert, so I only read reviews
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  Speaker 1: by actual practicing witches.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And I found an article that broke down a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of like witch media and what actually betrayed portrays witchcraft
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  Speaker 1: in the most respectful and true in nature self, And
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  Speaker 1: it was practical magic. So it was for us, Roger,
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  Speaker 1: it was for the witches. It's who it was for.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, he's a Pulitzer Prize winner. And I'm kind of thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I know the man's dead, but what movie
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  Speaker 2: was ever for him to reveal? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was for us Roger too scary for children
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  Speaker 1: and too childish for adults. I saw this movie when
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  Speaker 1: I was a child. If it came out in ninety eight,
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  Speaker 1: I was ten.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was fourteen and I watched it and I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember being scared. And you know me, and you're
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  Speaker 2: scared in tense shit. Yeah, no, I this.
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  Speaker 1: I texted people last night and I was like, stop
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  Speaker 1: allowing me to tell people that I'm too cool for
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  Speaker 1: a favorite movie. And like when people are like, what's
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  Speaker 1: your favorite movie, I'm like, Oh, it's just like really,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on like the temperature and like the way
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  Speaker 1: that my hair's laying that day, and like what I
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  Speaker 1: had for breakfast, Like I like, I have to like
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  Speaker 1: read the vibe and it No, it's fucking practical magic.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucking practical magic. I crafted my entire like dream
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  Speaker 1: adulthood around practical magic and getting to the practical magic lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. I'm sorry. I was like I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to be because you know, I'm trying to with
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  Speaker 2: the Can you even hear her?
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  Speaker 1: I can hear her?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Alice Hoffman, who is the author of the book Practical
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  Speaker 1: Magic and the guy who wrote the Alchemist, but I
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  Speaker 1: didn't read The Alchemist.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 1: I read The Witch of Portobello. Together. They crafted how
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  Speaker 1: I practice witchcraft. They they crafted, They just craft. How
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  Speaker 1: like my spirituality and the other reason I left Christianity
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  Speaker 1: so pro pro in the practical magic, Colum.
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  Speaker 2: I love that you've found reviews from other like practicing
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  Speaker 2: like witches and covens and what have you, because that's
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that I think is so easy
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  Speaker 2: with when I because when I was watching it, and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, gosh, like the nineties had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of like witchy vibes. We had the craft, we had
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  Speaker 2: practical magic. We had Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the TV
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  Speaker 2: show and the movie, and like a bunch of other
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  Speaker 2: things seen Witch teen Witch, which Sabrina the teenage Witch,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and so there was just a whole witchy
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  Speaker 2: vibe happening. And I I'm not gonna say it's a
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  Speaker 2: favorite movie my favorite movie, but I definitely loved this movie.
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  Speaker 2: I read the book too before the movie came out,
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  Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed the book. It's been over twenty
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  Speaker 2: years since I've read the book, though, so nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: seven is when I read the.
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  Speaker 1: Book I was thirteen years old, well, at least the
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  Speaker 1: book that you read when you were thirteen years old
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  Speaker 1: about witches was Practical Magic because my mother handed me
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  Speaker 1: Anne Rice's The Mayfair Witches.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's Lyce's interesting writing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the sex I read about to the point where
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  Speaker 1: in my adulthood when I told a guy that that
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  Speaker 1: was one of my favorite books. When he was like,
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  Speaker 1: what's the book I should pick up at a secondhand
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  Speaker 1: bookstore to get.
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  Speaker 2: To know you?
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  Speaker 1: And I went, oh, I don't know Anne Rice's Mayfair Witches.
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  Speaker 1: My friend scolded me. She's also a practicing, like member
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  Speaker 1: of the Witchy Woman Club and she was like.
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  Speaker 2: What did you tell him?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, The Mayfair Witches. And she's like,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to read that, and now I want you
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  Speaker 1: to list all of the things he's going to think
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  Speaker 1: you're into.
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  Speaker 2: And I went, fuck. Fuck the sex in that book.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, did he ever come back to find you?
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I believe that.
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  Speaker 1: Our relationship raveled unraveled shortly thereafter.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I like to think that practical Magic just extended the
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  Speaker 1: Owens Sister's curse onto my love life. Okay, Yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no one's dead, but yeah, like, how do
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  Speaker 2: I ask my next question killing? There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: death in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: No one's dead, They're just dead to me, and honestly,
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  Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, I cried a lot.
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  Speaker 2: This time, did you? I? Oh, a hundred Like totally.
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  Speaker 2: There was like crying about the sister relationship, crying about
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  Speaker 2: like when Stoker Channing and Diane Weiss tell her like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't we you know, the spell. We didn't think
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  Speaker 2: that he'd be affected by the spell, Like we didn't
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  Speaker 2: think you'd actually fall in love. Just trying to help.
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  Speaker 2: We were just trying to we were just trying to
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  Speaker 2: get you laid.
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  Speaker 1: Would like, good on your great aunties for just trying
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  Speaker 1: to get you laid. I'm like, I love it, yes.
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  Speaker 2: But also like why would you assume she wouldn't fall
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  Speaker 2: in love like that guy seems like an actual decent human, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, And like I think this, and I think like
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  Speaker 1: every year because I watch it every year, and I
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  Speaker 1: just like I'm past the point where like I stop
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  Speaker 1: during it. I just like wistful tears during it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: like my wistful autominal cry to practical magic and I
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  Speaker 1: think this year and last year was the first time
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, I mean, now I feel bad
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  Speaker 1: for her first husband. Yes, just some unsuspecting dude who
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  Speaker 1: like loves produce and he gets hit by a goddamn truck.
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  Speaker 2: Which feels which also felt like why didn't the truck
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  Speaker 2: try to stop?
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  Speaker 1: Why was there a truck behind a bicycle marathon? I
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  Speaker 1: was on the road closed off? What was happening?
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  Speaker 2: And come in a couple of years ago in first
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  Speaker 2: multiple years, and streets were blocked off, like even surrounding streets,
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  Speaker 2: like here's the road they're riding on, but then like
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  Speaker 2: a three block radius is blocked off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so none of them makes sense except.
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  Speaker 2: For it was the girl.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I believe, and I might be miss remembering
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  Speaker 1: because there was like an entire year where I was
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  Speaker 1: only reading Alice Hoffman and somehow none of the Alice
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  Speaker 1: Hoffman that everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Else was reading. Oh that's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I did make sure to download a bunch of her
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  Speaker 1: books from the library last night in a manic craze.
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  Speaker 1: But the season is the season, and so I believe
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  Speaker 1: it's the Rules of Magic, which is kind of a prequel.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's two prequels and maybe a sequel, and that
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  Speaker 1: goes into Maria's story. And what I like about Alice
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  Speaker 1: Hoffman's books is that they're like a comforting like book
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  Speaker 1: series because the Witchy Ones followed the exact same format.
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  Speaker 1: Lady gets her family cursed, and then we followed three
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  Speaker 1: generations of cursed ladies.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I dig I dig. Oh that's interesting. The
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  Speaker 2: only Alice Hoffman book I've ever read is Practical Bundgic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I haven't read Practical Magic, And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's because I'm like, well, I have
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  Speaker 1: the movie memorized. I think I have it on audiobook.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you like to read books that I've seen
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  Speaker 1: as movies?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I support that. Yeah, in memoirs, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell me the stories. I don't need to
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  Speaker 2: read it, just tell me the story. So in this time,
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  Speaker 2: because so you watch it every year, I watch this
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  Speaker 2: every year. I was gonna say, because this time around
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  Speaker 2: the things that you know, I'm like sobbing. Right when
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  Speaker 2: I watch the movies in ninety eight, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's oh this movie, Oh my gosh. And then now
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  Speaker 2: that I have life experience behind me and lost loves
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  Speaker 2: and like shitty love. I'm over here, like oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, your heart broken and I'm just wistfully crying
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  Speaker 1: at the beauty.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and then when Aiden Quinn shows up but he's
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  Speaker 2: not one blue eye.
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  Speaker 1: And you can flip cactus shaped pancakes. Yes, he's just
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  Speaker 1: like a good old cowboy. Like the fact that a
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  Speaker 1: good old cowboy from the married a well southwest Southwest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a very different the Southwest married a witchy woman
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  Speaker 1: who sells lotions and potions to the local like Yahoo's
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  Speaker 1: in town.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I so am I perfect adulthood, practical magic. When I
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  Speaker 1: have fuck it money, I either buy that house or
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  Speaker 1: I have some strapping young carpenter build me that house.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm eccentric and I have fucket money and I
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  Speaker 1: only dressed like Stockard Channing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can we talk about their costuming for a moment,
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, girls, ladies, women, I appreciate that
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  Speaker 2: you look like you are in the Victorian era. Is
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  Speaker 2: this you telling us that this is how old you are,
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  Speaker 2: or is this you just having a nod to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you live in a clearly Victorian built home
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  Speaker 2: and that you have special magic powers.
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  Speaker 1: What I really appreciate about the movie is that you
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  Speaker 1: subtly get like all of the forms of witchy woman.
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  Speaker 1: So you have like Stocker Channing, who is very much
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  Speaker 1: like Gothic, Victorian eccentric Auntie Witch the Dream. Then you
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  Speaker 1: have Diane vest who is like cottage core herbal like
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  Speaker 1: garden witchy. Then you have like Sandra Bullock and Nicole
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  Speaker 1: kimm and Sally and Jilly who are just like, we're
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  Speaker 1: just trying to like blend witches, like broom closet witches.
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  Speaker 1: And then you go to the Lotions and Potions shop
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  Speaker 1: and there's a practitioner who was like modern gothic witchy
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  Speaker 1: who's just like out and proud and just like swathed
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  Speaker 1: in black like lace. Yeah, oh she yelling, she yelling
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  Speaker 1: of that dog.
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  Speaker 2: Well she's just getting a little out of control.
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  Speaker 1: Well I don't know what to tell you, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm really impreciate about the movie is that,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's what I picked up the most
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  Speaker 1: during this watch around, which is like how they really
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  Speaker 1: do you somehow focus and yet not focus on the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they are everyday witches living in an everyday lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else kind of was? I felt
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  Speaker 2: was kind of cool? Not cool, that's the wrong word.
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  Speaker 2: The sister dynamics, right, So like with Jillian and Sally,
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  Speaker 2: Sally's clearly the very talented one when it's like she's
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  Speaker 2: naturally gifted when it comes to witchcraft, and the aunts
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  Speaker 2: tell her that, like, oh, you're so good to even
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  Speaker 2: her daughters call her out like you have so much
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  Speaker 2: power and you don't use it. And then Jillian's just
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like, well what am I good for? And
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  Speaker 2: they're like you'll find out, dear, And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: if that isn't one percent a sister like a sister
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  Speaker 2: setup where you're just like but but what I loved
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  Speaker 2: about it is that how it they don't let that
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  Speaker 2: become a wedge between them, where in other movies, like
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  Speaker 2: when we did A League of their Own, that's a
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  Speaker 2: wedge between Kit and Dottie, like it creates tension. Even
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  Speaker 2: though Dottie's still like down for her sister, there's still
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  Speaker 2: a wedge and Kit still has a chip on her shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: But with Jillian and Sally, Gillian doesn't have a chip
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  Speaker 2: on her shoulder. She's like, fuck this shit, I'll get
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  Speaker 2: out when I want to, when I'm ready to get out,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll go in my life. And then Sally's like, cool,
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  Speaker 2: I got you. I miss you terribly, but we're in
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  Speaker 2: it together. Proof positive when Jillian calls and is like,
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  Speaker 2: my boyfriend's beating me, and Sally's like, I got you.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you? I'll come get you, like there's no issue,
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  Speaker 2: Like they're so tight and close, and I love that
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  Speaker 2: because we so often get this. Sister's clearly the superior one,
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  Speaker 2: and then the little sisters chipped about it, or then
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  Speaker 2: other sisters chipped about it, and it's not even like
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  Speaker 2: that they're estranged, and then the Jimmy drama of it
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  Speaker 2: all brings them back together, like they've clearly kept in
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  Speaker 2: contact and they're writing letters the entire time and getting
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  Speaker 2: phone calls.
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  Speaker 1: When they can, and then like their blood magic also
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  Speaker 1: like hints the off as to what the other one
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  Speaker 1: is doing, and you're right, Like it's one of those
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  Speaker 1: things where it's like Jilly, you said, did you tell
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  Speaker 1: me that the book focuses more on Jilly than it
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  Speaker 1: does Sally? I don't remember, Okay, Cool, I've heard that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the book focuses more on Jilly's pass. And it's not
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that Jilly isn't talented. I find her magic to just
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: be more volatile, like her volatile spirit, so like that
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: plays a role in it too, where like Sally is
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the calm and the study one, and therefore her magic,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: even though it's dimmed because she is out of practice,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: will come back because she is.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Calm and study.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And then we've got Kills over here, who's a little
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: wild and a little volatile and poisons her boyfriend's By
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the way, I think every woman should just like have
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: a list of things that you can keep in your
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: kitchen that will slowly poison someone that needs it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And that's my platform. I believe.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I said that during Thumby and Louise too. I go,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I think we she'd just murder if we need to.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just very concerned that this will be used as
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: evidence one day if somebody tries to accuse you of something.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Not if I'm good at it, oh my god, Not
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: if I take.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: My own advice, oh my god. But the fact that,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: like and the fact that she didn't think that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Like overdosing on Bella Dona would eventually kill her boyfriend.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Jilly.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You just She's like I just needed to sleep and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I needed him to not be on top of me.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And I've like been there, yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Because the intensity of Jimmy Angelo is a very like
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: it's an intensity that I've fallen right into where it's like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you feel, what about me, You're gonna let our love
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: destroy the stars? And I'm like, oh, dangerous but also hot, like.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: More like murderous and also hot.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly like, but but you get like, especially
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: when you have like a wild, eccentric, like volatile nature
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like Jilly does, like that is a perfect cocaine guy
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for you, where you're like, I'm addicted to him, he's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: addicted to me. I'm addicted to him, and I'm and there,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I thought, I remember Jilly doing drugs, but I might
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: have mixed up like a scene of Practical Magic with
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like a scene of rock Star or something where I'm like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: why isn't Jilly doing coke? Isn't that why we go.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And get her? Oh? I always I don't know, I know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just remember her being a smoker in
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the movie. Was she a smoker in the movie.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a smoker in the movie.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and then for I didn't forget about the
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: twist about how like Jimmy was super abusive and patterns
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of behavior with women. You know, I think one of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the reasons why I cried also about this film again
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: is how you could literally drop it into twenty twenty
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: two and it still works because of the themes, because
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of the abuse that's happening towards women. You know, the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: percentage the statistics on abuse towards women haven't improved. They're
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: still really high. In thirty years, it's nothing's changed. So
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: taking that element, taking this movie and dropping it into
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, you're just like, fuck, this is still
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: very accurate. And that's also.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Hard, right, and you can't always trust that your sister
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna fall in love with the cop who's like
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: trying to investigate your boyfriend's murder that you poisoned, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then like it's gonna work out most of the time, right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: everyone fall Like the lengths that we go to, like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: avenge the murder of the bad bad man. I'm like,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: why like so many police resources and we just care
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that he's gone. So I actually we took it as
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: he was investigating all of the women the murder of all.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Of the women.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, and I think he was like hired by their families.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And then and then the twist is, oh, he's now dead.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's dead, to which I would have gone in,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: good day, ladies, thank you for doing my job, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like walk away, like there needs to be more of that, like, oh,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you took a bad bad man off of the street.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Good day ladies, goodbye.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not subjectively bad, he's objectively bad. Right,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he's a bad bad man. Little abuse that he's bestowed
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: upon Jillian and you're.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Just like, oh my god, he brings women.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is serial killer shit. Yeah, it's kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: like serial killer shit, but light because this movie is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: PG thirteen for nineteen eighty Bayan soundtrack.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, because we got Stevie Nix and we have Joni Mitchell,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden we have some like.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Faith Hill thrown in there, and I'm like, I love
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: this vibe. It's amazing. Speaking of The New York Times
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: original review said, it's Barbie joins a coven time as
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman shake their long, flossy hair
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and play witch sisters with otherworldly decorative qualities. So here's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the thing, Barbie meets Coven.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Here's only here's what I think about these reviews that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: are clearly written by men.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Men.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: When we were too scary and too powerful, you burned us. Yes,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: when we were too scary and too powerful, you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Literally Natalie that was written by Janet Maslin.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, well she is a trader. Okay, I can't help it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Some women are bad and they don't deserve my support.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know more about.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Her except for she's a trader. And so when we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: were scary ladies who were powerful, we were bad, bad ladies,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and you burned us and you hanged us. But then
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and we're pretty Sandra Bullock and we're just literally trying
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to run a Brotannical's store. Then we're not real witches too,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like, which is a patriarchy?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Which is it?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't have it both ways. I didn't get
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Barbie vibes, no at all. No, none. I'm so angry.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and here's something too, like why do we hate
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a soft, pretty movie? Like what about this movie was
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: too pretty that we didn't actually like get a lot
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: out of it?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, because it has all the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: themes I'm looking for in a movie, or not all
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: the themes, but it has. It has a lot of
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: themes that I think hold really well and are long lasting.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that even though the film was nineteen
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: ninety eight, you don't really get a ninety eight vibe.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because I lived in nineteen
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: ninety eight, so it feels real, you know what I mean.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel dated to me because you do
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: have the witchy aunties who are dressed in an air,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Because there's just so much
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: about the style that still works regardless.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And I do believe that the I do believe that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the Owens women lived for a long long time. I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: believe that was also part of it, except for their
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: mom who died ever broken right women. I believe in
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of folk lore, witchy women tend to live
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: for a long long time, which I believe is where
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the like we eat children to survive like comes from
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: lore comes from.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: No, we just got good herbs in our skincare. Try it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean olive oil. Also in and on, just.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: In and on in and on in and On.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Also, Sally is referred to as in the broom closet,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: which is a very real thing. However, is like you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: can't be on in the broom closet. And also the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like local apothecary Sally with your kids screaming at you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that you have immen's power in the street, right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Evan rachel Wood, how about how I didn't realize that
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: was her until this time because my time gap between
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: seeing Practical Magic and then the next time I see
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Evan rachel Wood is probably ten years.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's a full ass adult by the next
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: time we see her, right, and like, yeah, she's like
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Strawberry your age, Strawberry Universe, Nope, Universe, across the Universe,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Strawberry Fields Forever Man twenty ten. Another great soundtrack. Oh
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you remember when movies had great soundtracks. Body's Body's Bodies
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: has a great soundtrack, and it's like because it's all
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: up here the entire time, so you can club.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, two thousand and seven, so nine years yeah, But
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the point is the same. She's a grown ass adult
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: by the time this comes around. You know, she's I
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: didn't realize how much. Uh, I didn't I didn't realize
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: she had a relationship with Marilyn Manson.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were, they almost married people.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But she pro created with the kid
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: from Billy Elliott. What's his name? I don't know.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I love Billy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: She pro created, yeah, I don't remember if they were
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: actually married, but they share a child. And then oh, thirteen,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: that's right, she was in thirteen.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, I love you.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: But then she then like her what is his name?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: He's married to Marra Rooney. No, that's that's that's the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: sister Rooney. Mara is the sister. What's the other one called? Shit,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: this is gonna bother me. This is not what we're
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: here for. But now I've fallen down.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Jamie Bell, I still like, you said his name and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I should have gone ah, And I'm like, no, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: don't care about white men.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: He's British, but same thing, the original white, I know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the original white. So they were married, had child. Then
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: she enters a relationship with Marilyn Manson. It's abusive, as
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: we've worn Marilyn Manson relationships are, so she flees essentially
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: with said child. So then Jamie Bell's like, whoa, whoa? Whoa,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: where are you taking my kid? And she was citing
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like we have to be safe. I'm sorry, this includes
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: me saving the child as well, and it was like
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a whole thing. I don't know if their custody stuff
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: ever got resolved. But then he married or is in
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: relationship with because they just had a child. Kate Mara, Mmm,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I was under the impression that Marilyn Manson groomed her
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: when she was like sixteen. I didn't know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: She was a full ass mine. You can still get
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: groomed as an adult, I'm yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say you can still. I feel like
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you can still get groomed because that was in two thoughts. Wait,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: maybe it was in the relationship was before. I just remember.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't gonna have to fact check. I just remember
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that she was like took off to another state in
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the Middle West, somewhere with said child she had with
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Jamie Bell, and basically like told the court it's for
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: the safety of myself and my child because Brian is dangerous.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So I don't know the timeline of her relationships. I
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: just know that she and Jamie Bell were like ten
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: years ago, probably married. None of this matters. Let's get
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: back to little Evan Rachel Wood playing Kylie.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Which the little girls do such a good job, even
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: like the original little girls that are playing like Sally
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and Jilly, like such a good job. Yeah, such a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: wonderful job.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: The whole movie is just really well done, to the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: point where you're just like, why can't more move movies
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: be fem four ward? Why? Uh? Because they'd burned us
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and they'd hate us. Oh, I'll robin. I don't know
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: who this person is. I was looking up who wrote
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the screenplay. Bo that's a dude. I can't pronounce his name.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try. And that's a woman, okay, but
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the Griffin Dune is the director. That's a dude. But
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they did it such a good job. I think it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: very rare. I feel like a man can take a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: female's story, a female m positive story, and and actually
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: make it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe Huffman had a really heavy hand in it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I don't know. I wasn't there.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I don't I wasn't there either. Maybe it Sandra Bullock
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and Nicole Kidman just took everything in their own hands.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe a s soccer Channing was like I've got this, Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I does have this she's so good.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, everything she's in she's amazing. I do
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: remember during the press junket that you know the scene
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: when they're like the Jimmy Buffett song comes on and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: there in the margaritas or whatever. I remember it was
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: either Nicole Kidman or Sandra Bulleck. It might have been
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: an Cole Kidman, like somebody from Entertainment Tonight, might have
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: been John Tesh with like, we heard a rumor that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: you guys were really actually drinking during that scene, Is
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: it true?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, yeah, because how else are you
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: gonna get tequila loose unless larious tequila involved, Like that's
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what makes that scene so great is that they are
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: all different variations.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Of tequila loose. Yes, And then I think this was
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the first time that I made the so at first
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that, like the tequila Ritual, the midnight Margarita's
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: was literally just a way to infuse joy back in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: teer home or joy to make sure that joy carries
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: it to your home because it's dancing, it's drinking, it's
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: having a good time, and then they're making jokes off
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of one another. I think this was the first time
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I made the connection that it was Jimmy's tequila and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that was actually making them bitter towards one another. Oh yeah,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: because of the shit that they say, and they're like,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I'm saying that, Like, y, yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That's a really good observation that I also didn't take
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: into consideration either, because then when they see the bottle
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and she's like, where did this? It was on the pole?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Well, because the thing about the Owen's women, who and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: it carries throughout the entire movie, is because of the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Maria Curse, their entire existence has been like around the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: idea that feelings and words matter, and therefore they're always
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: choosing their words carefully because once you say it, you
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: can't take the intention back, which is why they have
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the whole scene where she like, she's like, get your
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: finger down and she screams, I hope you get chicken
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: box and she's screaming at her kid in the middle
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of the street.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: We don't asks people get into.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: The store, and then we later learned that child does
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that child gets Yeah, that child gets well. And one
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: of the women is like, I'm not saying that they
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: killed this Jimmy guy I'm saying that like maybe they
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: shook his hand and then he died, Like shit like
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that happens to them.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So like the whole.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Weaving of the like words matter and your intentions manner matter,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and the fact that the curse didn't come from an
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: outside source. It literally came from the sorrow and the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: grief and the anger that Maria just continuously built up
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: into herself until it spread to her baby and down generations.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Right, that's a really good point. I mean, it's a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: generational trauma.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: In which form, and it's witchy generational traumachi generational trauma.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I also love when when she's like, give me something
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: white on his chest and it's whipped cream, and I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: was like, yes, that is exactly what you do as
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a practice saying which in the nineties the twenty twenty twos,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: anytime is you look around your kitchen and you're like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: what did it call for.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Black salt? Fuck? I don't know.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll draw some like charcoal on there, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: then I'll put the salt on it, and that counts
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that I'm not making black salt. Do you know how
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: long that takes? And I'm not buying it on Etsy.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Do you know how much that costs to ship? Okay,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I can't, like I can't have all of the things
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that all the time. And that is very much how
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I run my practice, where I'm like, what did this
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: call for? Hmmm? And you know what, we'll just say
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: it three times, like it's in there, like the energy
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and the essences in there. Imitation vanilla from the kitchen.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I will say too that in that scene when they're like, Okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: this is you know what, we chant over and over
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: again and they're sort of fumbling through it, and then
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: when they sync up and they start saying it and
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they're just sort of in this really great, like vibrational moment,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: repeating the phrase over and over and over again. There's
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: something like really compelling about that because it's like we
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: at that point, it's like they've always been in instinct
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to an extent, right, they've always been really close. We
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: have established that already, but in this moment they're not
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: in sync because they don't agree on what to do
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: about Jimmy, and like Sandra Bullock's characters kicking and screaming
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: going into it, but then they click and it happens
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and it works and you're just like, damn, that's powerful.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Well and it's like they did it without consulting the aunties,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you always consult your anties, Like
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that's why we have aunties. I also appreciate I paid
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: attention and the grim wires this go around too, And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I love that Little Sally's is literally a junk journal.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, because I do that too, Like you
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: just collog and then you like write down your little
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: protection jar and it's like next to a really awesome
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: hot shot of j Lo, like j Lo protect me.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Please, jo or pretty j.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah, she's back to ben a flack, which is unfortunate,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but it's also what's really moving about the end of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the movie, where all of the neighborhood women who have
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: really done the most and perpetuating the outsider feel of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the Owens women and like keeping them separate and keeping
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: them ostracized, they get one phone call on a phone
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: tree and all they and I wrote down, I was like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: women don't always understand witchcraft in the in the concept
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of just women harnessing their power and then using it,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: or women coming together as a group and together obtaining
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a goal. I go but they do understand when you
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: pick up the phone and say, a man is hurting
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: my sister, we need help, Like that insult in itself
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is a power that women across the board. Very rarely
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: do you get a phone call like I need help
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: getting my sister a man is hurting her, and some
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: lady is like, nah, like the car's been acting up.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know right right, And again that leans, it lends,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it leans into the them forward narrative and themes that
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: this movie holds, especially because they didn't want Sally to
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: be at the top of the phone tree and it
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: just magically happens anyway, But yet they still have the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: willingness to support and be a part of that and it,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: you know, And I appreciate how the one check she's like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Sally's like, oh, Sarah, so I'm surprised you're here. So
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I've always wanted to know what the inside of your
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: house looks like.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: That's what gets me about the end of the movie,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is like the playful curiosity that women will embrace if
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you tell them that you're practicing and they're like, well you,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Like I have often been scolded because I have shown
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: up to an event without my taro and they're like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: you didn't bring them, and I'm like, well, they're not
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: really a party trick. You have to ask me to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: bring them. I go because if I do bring them
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and someone is super churchy or super like indifferent or
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: super negative towards this practice, A, it's not gonna work
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: because they're interrupting the energy flow.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And B I don't want to.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Be disrespectful at your bachelorette party because we didn't know
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that someone was gonna like go home in tears about it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: It's like when I'm forced to pray before meals and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I just sit there and I'm like, Okay, why Jesus.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I find it very hard to pray to a deity
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: that we have made male. Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I So there are times when I'm like, when we're
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: around religious family and my sons like doesn't really know
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: what to do. Part of me is like I'm not embarrassed.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: I'm equal parts proud and part equal parts like oh,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: maybe I should have like figured out a way to
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: be respectful of this situation. But being you know, leaning
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: back into that, I don't give a shit because that
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: shit was traumatic for me. So I'm not doing that
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: to my kid or always wins.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like I thought that that was brilliantly done too,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: in that last scene where all of the women were
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: just like so giddy to be a part of it, like, Oh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to do the thing, the thing
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that we've been like scared of the entire time.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And part of left out on too, you know.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: And it's a really great allegory for like how society
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: has made women scared of their own power too, because
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: when women are powerful, women get punished.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here you are.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: You're a basic white lady in your seaside town. You're
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: just trying to get your kids off to fourth grade,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and here are these eccentric as fuck botanical lotions and
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: potions shop owning women who literally, probably in your mind,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: get to live the exact life that you're like. Man,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: if only I hadn't given my soul to the conventional
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: ways of the nineties, maybe I too could have an
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: awesome hat like Stocker Channing.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yep, because Stocker Channing's the best. She's the best.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: She can't wait to have fuck it money. I draw
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: not today. I'm in a sweatshirt today. But there are
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: moments where I'm like, I've dressed full practical magic for
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: my day, Like I like someone's going to take one
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: look at me and go these the witch and then
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm getting burdened at the stake because I live
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: in the Midwest, It's happened today.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Do you think you'll read the book ever?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Listen, it's on my It's on my damn phone.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't mean you're gonna read it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I know, well and chocolate head out to ADHD and hyperfocus. Currently,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm only reading things at my book club fix. So
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I have always made it a goal to read the book,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and I don't know why I don't, And now I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: this might be the year because I am craving more
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: more context about what Jilly did before Jimmy, because it
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: looked like, again, it looked like she was having an
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: okay of a time.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean she was definitely partying and having
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: fun and she wasn't.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Like strung out Jenny from Forrest Gum partying.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: That's true. So yeah, that's true. But I wonder if
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I see now I should read the book, because I
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: feel like there was a point get part.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Of your book club and then it's homework for me
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: There you go, because there's a part of me that
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: vaguely remembers that Jillian was in like a lot more
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: like some kind of trouble before Jimmy shows up that
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's me inserting from something else
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: or if that was from the book.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that Jilly also represents this other
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: class of otherly women where it's like, oh my god,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: she's just on the road and by herself and sleeping
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: with men and drinking and going to parties and kind
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of just ending up where the wind takes her. She's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: very much like Taylor in One Tree Hill season two
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that will be covering at ten, but where it's like
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: we don't punish these women in our brains, but because
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: we're so closed off to that idea of like so
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you're literally just like living a nomadic lifestyle based on
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: your like gut intuition and like sexual drive and all
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of it. That were like, Jilly, stop it, come home.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: You're partying too much me and a man that the
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Owens Women's Curse can kill, right, because.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Sally did it right.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sally did everything right. Which that scene where she's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: like pulling up the floorboards is so heartbreaking because she's
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the one who set out to never fall in love
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: because she knew it was a death sentence. And then
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: like the ants did some trickery and some fuckery to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: get her laid, which you know, best intentions, worst carry out.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, best intentions maybe cast a spell with somebody who's
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: not as cute and adorable.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Right, well, and when I mean, I get it, because.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: You don't want your niece to be with like some ogre, right,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: you want them to be able to read and be
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: like a good partner. They're a good partner. See, this
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: is just a se I would have ended up doing that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I would have been shit, she's gonna fall in love?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Like it should have been obvious to that to them
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: when then.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: But also the Owens Women, I think a lot of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Alice Hoffman's books follow the Owens line. The Owens Women
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: have to reproduce in order for the line to sustain,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and that's also like a huge part of their story.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, we kind of like fall in love
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and then those dudes take off or they're dead. But
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: how else is the line of very powerful witch is
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: supposed to go on?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and honestly, it's not. I mean, if if we
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: had a better societal structure system, it's it's really not
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that bad of an idea to be the only parent
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in situation. We just need to do better like childcare
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and equity for paying women and all the because emotionally,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you're like developmentally when you're raising the human not having
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the negative impacts of uh an interesting man in nice Yeah,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and the ants are right there to step in.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: So many of the movies of the nineties, like carbon
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: copy of what I believe my family would do in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a situation where it's like, oh, she done got widowed,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and now it's like, you're just gonna come home and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: live with us. And then when like Jully says, we're
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: gonna grow old together as two biddies with our cats,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: We're gonna live just like the ants, I'm like, it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: all I've ever wanted. Every time every time one of
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: my friends is pissed off at their husband's I secretly go,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you could divorce him today. We could move into the woods.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: We could live our best practical magic covin lifestyle in
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the woods away from them all, and we could just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: be hags together. And doesn't that sound lovely to just
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: throw convention to the sea and just become hags together
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: that like dig up like murdered guy roses in the yard.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It sounds amazing And I've almost gotten a gouplement. They're like,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I do agree that that would be really fun.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: You could divorce them. You could divorce them. It's just
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: a piece of paper. Pieces of paper get lost, well,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and it's registered with a government entity. It'd have to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: get lost there too. You have to believe in the
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: government to care. You have to believe everything's fake unless
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: if you give no value and no belief to something,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: it's fake also true.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Excuse it, really, I apologize that was gross. I apologize
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for they Oh my god, what was my question? You
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: said something that was like, oh, that brings me to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: another question, and I forgot what it is. Oh, it's
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: not a question to statement. I really feel like the nineties,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: what we got a lot of in the nineties, or
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: at least from where my vantage point is, is a
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: lot of that fem forward feel in films, right, so
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: like we had like we've covered a league of their
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: own and Thumb and Louise on the show, and those
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: have very strong female themes, very strong powerful women. Practical
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Magic also falls in line with that as well. And
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: then you know there's other films too that I can't
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: really come to mind right now, and I should have
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: made the list when I was thinking about it earlier today.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: But it really like we don't see that level of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: like female power that isn't a message being smacked over
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: the head to the.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Audience and to the point where it's like, I don't
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: know how I.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Want to state this. There was an ease.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And a prettiness. I don't want to say prettiness, but.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like there's a good aesthetic that we appreciate.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: There was a sugar going down with the medicine when
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it came to what Practical Magic was trying to say
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: about women and what happens to their power. Even with
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Thelma and Louise, they made sure that there was enough
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: fucking comedy and that Geena Davis always looked gorgeous. That
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: there was sugar with the medicine coming down. Yeah, at
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: this point, I don't know that they've thought we've outgrown
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the sugar, but they're like, y'all are raped and you're
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: harassed on the in the workforce, and you have to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: be fighting that all the time, and you cannot cry,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and you cannot fall in love, and you cannot have
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: feelings for it, because now you have to be the
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: empowered woman.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if the glamorization it's not glamour, that's
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: the wrong word, but I wonder if there beautification of
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: how the nineties presented it is is there's this is
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: the backlash to it. Now we just want gritty, you know,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: we just want and gritty. But I also, like I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: struggle with grit, like, yes, give me the reality and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the horrors of what's our history, because hello. But at
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the same time, like certain groupings of people, when you've
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: grown up with the constant reminder in your daily life
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: that you're devalued, right, I don't want that, and I
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: don't It's not that I don't want it in my entertainment.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: It's just I want it done in a way that
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: makes me feel empowered in the end and not defeated in.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: The end, exactly. And we are living people who are
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: also happy and falling in love and crying at practical
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: magic and whatever, and we are also very aware of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: how systems in place oppress us, and who does the oppressing.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And it's not that we like.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Forget for nine hours out of the day and we're
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, my goodness is so great and i'mpreud
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to me and American.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: No, it's like we always know.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: But shit, someone's got to get the school, someone has
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to find the cat when she's lost, someone has to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: cut down the roses. And there's so much joy and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: beauty to the way to the feminine side of love.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: And I think that Practical Magic does a really great
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: job of showing that, Like they're women who are constantly
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: told to not be powerful and that they're ostracized for
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: being powerful and not even being powerful, but being powerful
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: in a way that's very public. That as soon as
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the other women in the town involved themselves, they are like, yes,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we've been waiting for you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it became in that very inclusivity, right. Like
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: it's almost as if I choose to believe that after
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: that scenario. And they do show us at the end too,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: because it's showing the group when people coming to the
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: house and showing the aftermath being very positive, and I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: choose to believe that positive positivity continues. That they were
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: able to change the trajectory of the of what they
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: were known for and now accepted. And and that's what
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of movies from the nineties, I feel like,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: tend to do, Like the end of film and Louise
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is devastating, but you still walked out of that movie
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: theater going fuck, yes, we are awesome, yeah, and we
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: got this and holy shit.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And I think unfortunately, like the way that we talk
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to one another about our differences has become so heated
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that now we can't be pretty about things.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Right, like it's here's like okay, okay, okay, you think
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: you have it bad, And there's this ability to do
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: confirmation bias now, like we can find rather than finding
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: information to help us expand our thoughts and opinions, we're
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: finding information that confirms our thoughts and opinions. And that's
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: just that's not, that's not that's critical thinking is the answer,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: because critical thinking teaches us to expand our opinions and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: learn from things. Whereas if I'm going, if I say, well,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: all you know, all white people are I don't know
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: something horrific, and then I find an article that proves them, like.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I love that you can't ever insult people, and I'm like, hey, ladies,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: did you get your poison herbs to keeping your cabinet?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Jimmy's are everywhere, and this is your friendly reminder that
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: we can poison them secretly in their tequila or whatever
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: vice they got.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: In their divisive choice. I think I was raised by
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: a cops, so you know, don't ever, don't ever incriminate yourself.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: But there is this element now where it does feel
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: very much like, well, why won't you listen to me?
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Listen to me, Oh my god, listen to me. And
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: it's like, if we're all demanding to being listened to,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: then how can we actually hear what someone's.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Trying to say. And if we're always focusing on how
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: everything has fucked us, where's the love and the joy
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: that gets us through the day. I think that's what
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the fucking pandemic taught us, where it's like, oh, if
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I literally don't say at least three times a day,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: at least I have a cat and she's the prettiest
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: cat in the world, and I just go down the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: spiral where it's like the world is shut down, people
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: are dying, groceries are hiking like all of that. Then
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: like where is the compulsion to go.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: On right right, And I think people don't necessarily fully
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: understand either the line between what's appropriating and icky and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: what's just an appreciator. I had the experience last night,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: which I will tell you about offline if you're interested.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Of course I'm interested. I love when my people do
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: bad things.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why, right, that's the thing where I'm like,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: there are because because when you are in a community
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that is predominantly marginalized, you learn to pick up on
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: things that are like dog whistle statements and like certain
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: things or like like coming from a religious background, there
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: are certain terms of phrases that are very common in
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: the type of religion I grew up in. And when
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I hear those things, I now know you're a and
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: this is terrible specific It's like, is it terrible or
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: is it survival? Because it's like you just said a
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: turn of phrase that I grew up hearing in the
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: type of religion I grew up in. And now I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: know that you're a Christian, and I and now I
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: know what kind of Christian you are, And now I'm
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: very uncomfortable because that kind of Christian is the kind
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: of Christian that made my life miserable for sixteen years.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Well, and I can tell every time I do taro
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: publicly who's with it and who's pretending to be with it,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: so the group doesn't make fun of them. Yeah, And
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you just know, even if I'm just looking at my
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: cards and just focusing on the person who's reading, I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: know who's with me, and I know who's sitting there
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: going namely as my friends. So it's fine that she's
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: doing this devilry in my home in front of my friends.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And there's different survival skills that you kind
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: of adopt, and that's what the Owens had to do,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and I think that's what Sally's so scared of, Like
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: she's tired of having to do the defense. It's tired.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: They both are. Actually that's why Jillian flee. She's like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: fuck this shit, I want to go where no one
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: knows us.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: True, it's tiring on all fronts, Like it's tiring to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: constantly have men in my dms being like would you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like to hear how women have hurt me? And I'm like, no,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: go tell Joe Rogan, like I hear he's making a
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: lot of money.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on last week's episode of the show, my guest
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: and I were talking about like the difference between when
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: women behave in the patriarchy and when the patriarchy exists.
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  Speaker 2: For women, it's a survival mechanism, so I can't really
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: fault them. I mean I can, but not to the
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: same degree because they're trying to survive and they have
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: to like this, this is just part of the metamorphosis,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: and there's fear in breaking away from that to be strong,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: whereas men just do it because that's all they've ever
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: known and they don't think that there's an anything wrong
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also this idea that if you started small
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and if you started scared and whatever, the moment that
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you become powerful or rich or any of it, we
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: turn our back to you, like whatever, sellout. It's like, right,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I was just literally trying to collect the paper that
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: everyone else is collecting.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I not to be comfortable too, guy. It happens.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I'd like to pay my student loans and eat dinner
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: every day.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: It happens all the time with my favorite people. To
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: stand up for the cast of critical role. Critical role
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: in my mind, and you and I have talked about
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: this where it's like when small businesses make money and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: make money to the point where Amazon could like be like, oh,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: you're making money, they still get to be a small
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: self owned business because they're still doing it all on
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: their own right. So like critical Role has merched in
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: like tours and add space and they're fucking making money.
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  Speaker 2: Good for them.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: They have a cartoon now, yeah, And like in my head,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, my friends are making money. Thank God, It's
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: all we've ever wanted because now I know that my
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: content will stay for free and I will get to
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: enjoy them to the fullest in all of the ways
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that I could be enjoying them.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: And then the reddit, the Reddit's like, I'm tired of
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: us pretending that these people are just kind, being well,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: making these videos out in the kindness of their heart.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Why don't they deserve to get paid? I ask you,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Why do they not deserve to get paid?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because it takes a lot of work. It takes it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: There's so much that goes into it. And I love
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: people when they say things like well I shouldn't have
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to pay that much because I could do what you do.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, could you then do there's a reason why
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: you called me?
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And everyone who started a D and D stream ala
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Matt Mercer's Way to do It are hoping for that
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: big million dollar check, So don't don't fault them for
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: making money. Don't look at her shampoo bottle, mister Copman
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: and be like, I've never paid this much for shampoo. Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Well it's gonna stop you from going.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Bald, Yeah, which is what every man want. Fragility because
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: if I have to sit through one more hair commercial
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: because a man felt bad about balding. But we still
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: don't have science and medical science behind menopause, you can
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. Menstruation or menstruation. New York Times is
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: touting how little everybody knows about the glitterists, and I'm
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: just like, I can't take it anymore. Stop reminding us
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: that the world doesn't give a shit about our health.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Is my birth.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Control slowly poisoning me? Poisoning me or not? Every podcast
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: has a different set of articles.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Right right? Okay? Final final thoughts of the night. What's
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: your comfort level? Are you still comfort with this movie?
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I'm in love with this movie. I feel like the
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: answer is so obvious, considering you say it that you
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: watch it every year.
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  Speaker 1: I watch it every year, it literally will be I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: know that I will have made it, and you all
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: will know that I have made it when I am
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: literally living in whatever little fucking seatown that is dressed
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: like stock or channing, scaring children but also making women
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: like half ass look at their husband's going.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Is he great? No, they're on an island. No, they're
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: on an island. Cool.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to be on an island, like I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: can't wait to bounce between my seaside cliff and the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Mediterranean when I want to be Donna for Mama Mia
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  Speaker 1: and in my little cape town because sometimes I like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the idea, like tropical ocean is great, but like have
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: you ever been on a porch wrapped in a sweater
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: waiting for your long lost love to come home from.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: The Oregon coast? Is like that, it's very cold. It
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: will go in the summer and it'll be one hundred
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: and ten where I live, and it'll be like fifty degrees.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: So I want both, and when I have fucking money,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I will have both. And thank you Practical Magic for
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and the Witch of Her for accidentally handing me a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: religion that I could go No, I don't want to
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: be a Christian anymore.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: They don't like me. I'm a lady. Yes, yes, I agree.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I'm also still comfy with this movie. Like I said earlier,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like you could take this exact film and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: drop it into twenty twenty two. You could release it
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: this Friday and it would not feel aged or dated
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: in any way, shape.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Or form, including with all the women who are in it.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Correct, and it just it again. It makes me sad
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that we still haven't made any progress in terms of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: reducing violence against women. With that said, you leave this
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: movie feeling very empowered, and that's that's all I want.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: From a film sometimes well, and I love a film
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: that will remind us that, like sisterhood and the power
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: of feminine love is always the answer.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, like ladies.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: They're gonna tell you that we need to be separate,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: but you don't have female friends. Loving women is and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: always will be the answer. Also, it might actually make
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: you come a time or two.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: The truth is out there.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: The truth is out there telling us that right did
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you did you notice they didn't call that cop once
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to try and solve their problems out?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Not at all, not at all. I mean you know
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock did try to like convince them. Yeah, but
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: like it is so then it's well, is it because
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: of the spell you cast when you were ten Sally?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Or do you really want to come clean? I think
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: it's because of the spell you cast at ten Sally.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: He received it, he was waiting for you. He also
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: are you.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Right? I'm not saying don't fall in love and like
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: don't get dick down if you want to get dick down,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: but like also know where your bread and butter is,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: and it's not with the patriarchy, and it's not for
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: men who pretend like they're not in the patriarchy because
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: they've been nice to you three times.
• 1:03:02
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• 1:04:54
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