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Fan Loyalty, Dopamine, and Why Sticking With Your Team Feels So Good! Week 7 Recap · Off the Bench - London

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We the boys that been runnin' the town, don't
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debate that Givin' out jerseys like blessings,
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you can take that Every Monday night, that ritual
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feel sacred Big screen dreams, we made it out
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the basement All my team stay winnin', yeah,
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that's manifestation Still undefeated That's
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a dedication. 450 pints, half price, wings, no
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inflation. Clubhouse jumping, that's a London
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celebration. Ain't no gimmicks, it's love and
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foundation. Talking life, talking hustle in them
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game situations. We build this from the ground
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up, sweat and patience. Every drop of milk from
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the grind in the... We'll see you next time.
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How are you doing? Back at it for another week.
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Yeah, man. How are you feeling? I'm feeling good.
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I'm feeling so much better than the past few
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weeks. I wonder why. It's crazy. I don't know
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what it is. Maybe it was just like I had a nice
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relaxing Thursday. Enjoying a relaxing Thursday.
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Well, I mean, there was a little bit of stress,
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but at the same time, you're like, when your
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thoughts are so down. When your team starts playing
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really well, and, like, we were in control back
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then. Would you say your team played well, though?
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Better than they have in the last four weeks.
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Well, we could definitely get into that. Better
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than they have since the game Burrow fell. Okay.
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Okay. It's kind of started last week, and just
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kind of they kept on rolling. Like, the trajectory
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is it's going. So you're saying it's going up.
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He's officially been in the building after that
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game. 10 days. 10 days. He played two games in
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10 days. And he's already made a huge impact.
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Yeah. The culture has just flipped. It's insane.
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It's funny how one person can change a culture.
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Change the whole city. Well, he gave the city
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hope. Yeah, exactly. It's like LeBron James climbing
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back to Cleveland. Yeah. Well, I mean, so much
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changes when a team... You don't even have to
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be a winning team. If your team has hope... Unless
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you're getting those crushing defeats week after
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week after week, that sucks. When your team's
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on a huge losing streak and you're seeing that
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hope, you're getting that feeling again. You're
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like, oh, nice. Our team isn't all layup. It's
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nice having that feeling. Man, this week is all
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about layups, though. What do you really talk
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about it? There's a lot. There's a lot that should
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have been. There were some that were. Some that
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certainly were. Some teams really needed those
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get -right games. Yep. But I couldn't help but
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notice your jersey tonight. It's not an Eagles
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jersey. They did win. They didn't play well.
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I did also see the merch that dropped. So as
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of today, I did drop the Philadelphia Pigeons.
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Was it weird doing that after they won? It was.
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But I wanted to get into that a little bit later,
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if you don't mind. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't mind
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going to a little bit deep dive on the egos when
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we get to that section. Oh, we will. I just mean,
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like, was it weird as a fan being like, nice,
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my team won. I'm happy now. It's not that I'm
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happy. It's October. So it's like spooky month.
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So, like, every horror is going to be creaking
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through every crack. Sorry, was that horror?
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Horror. Horror. Horror. Okay, gotcha. You know
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what I mean? You never know what will spooky
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next. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, the way
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I view it right now is just like, this week is
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one thing, next week could be another. Yeah.
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You know what I mean? The week after it could
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be another. You don't know what to expect right
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now. Yeah. So it's just one of those realities
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that I'm going to take into consideration. It's
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such an up -and -down league. There's been a
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lot of teams. It's all across the board, though.
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You look at them one week, and you're like, these
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guys are hot garbage. And then the next week,
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you're like, oh, they're serviceable. They can
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do this. And then the week after that, they're
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just complete garbage again. One week, they care.
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The next week, they may not care. It's like a
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real full -time job for them. Funny. because
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one day you know what i don't feel like going
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to the office day but i can't call it sick because
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i'm getting paid over a million dollars sometimes
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i wonder if it's that or do they just like they
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just get punched in the mouth the first play
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of the game and like they're just not on well
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you know when it comes to sports in general There's
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going to be days where you're going to be on
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point and there's going to be days where you're
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going to be off. It's just natural. Your body
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is telling you one thing, your brain is doing
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another, your heart is doing a third thing. It's
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all across the board. But when you get to the
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professional state, you should be able to manifest
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and get the right dopamines to get you to the
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next step. You're not doing another job, you're
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doing this job. and you should be able to excel.
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I think some people start forgetting that. They
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start making all that money, and then they start
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doing all these side things. Yeah, man. Well,
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it's like when Micah started his podcast, and
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everyone was like, he's dropping off. Or like,
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I don't know, you got all these star quarterbacks.
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I saw something about Josh Allen. Now that he's
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married, he's learning that he's not just a football
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player. But, like, we'll see how that turns out.
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Because, like, he's a guy that needs to be all
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in 100%. 100%. 100%. Especially Josh Allen. Because,
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like, you notice when a player is not playing
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at 100 % because the whole team is affected.
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Yeah. You have certain players in LA that are
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spark plugs, in a sense, where you put them in
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and the whole team changes. The whole culture
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changes. Yeah. A great example is the game that's
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playing right behind us, the Lions. You know,
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you add Dan Campbell. Well, before, this was
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a horrible franchise. No one cared about them.
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But you added the right people, and boom, the
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spark plug. Now everyone wants to play for something.
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Another great example is the New York Giants.
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Yeah. Jackson Dart. Yeah, Cam Scadaboo. As soon
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as those two... Man, with those two, it just
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kicks off, and, like, it's a culture thing. But,
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like, that lights the fans up. Now, smart that
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you say that. Does that keep the fans around?
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And does that build the loyalty now? There's
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some fans that, like, you have your fans that
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are, like, the super hardcore loyal. Till the
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day I die, they're like, I'm a Lions fan, have
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been since they were winning one game a year.
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And that those are the fans that you see and
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you're like, man, they deserve this. But it's
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crazy. Like, I don't know. Well, when did you
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become an Eagles fan? 2004 is when I became an
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Eagles fan, when the Philadelphia Eagles were
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playing Tom Brady in the Super Bowl and lost
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to Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. And that's when
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I became a fan because I saw the culture, what
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Andy Reid was actually building and how he was
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like forming that team and how like. pissed off
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each player was. Yes, it's the final game of
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the year, but the way their emotions showed in
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that game, I was like, I'm a fan of that team
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and I'm always going to be a fan of that team.
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So what got you through all the dark times? Knowing
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that there was a chance of hope. I'm sorry for
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some of our fans who are going to be watching
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this. Michael Vick becoming a fan. I was a fan
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of Michael Vick and then Obviously, he went to
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jail because of the dog bedding and all those
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allegations that he actually did. It's a gigantic
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mess. It's horrible. But, you know, he did come
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around and try to revive his career, and he did
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it in Philadelphia. And it was great to see those
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things that, you know, the Eagles were willing
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to take a chance on someone, give them that redemption.
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We had Deshaun Jackson. He was an amazing wide
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receiver. I would compare him to now's Devontae
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Smith. Like that explosiveness. I can see that.
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Same build. Yeah, same. Very small, quick. If
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you don't pay attention, he's gone. 100%. I would
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say I wish LaShawn McCoy got a Super Bowl with
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us and not with Tampa. But that's a different
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story. But when you look at the whole team, it
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was electrifying. Donovan McNabb was great. And
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then he passed the torch over to Michael Vick.
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And then, obviously, we're hoping for Michael
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Vick to take us back to the promised land. That
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didn't happen. Then we get Carson Wentz. You
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think he's going to take you to the promised
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land. Gets injured, and then Big Dick Nick takes
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us over. Hey, you guys got to have that guy swinging
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around in the locker room. Just take it over
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the line. But, like, since I became a fan in
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2004, I've gone through that roller coaster of
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seeing our team being bad versus... you know,
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being good. But the benefit of my team was I
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was in the NFC East. I have the Cowboys, Washington
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Commanders, or Redskins at the time, and New
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York Giants. Yeah. Yeah, you know you're getting
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back eventually. Realistically, there's never
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been a two -time NFC East champion. It's always
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been different. I've given that hope every single
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year. I guess they pretty much just rotated between
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the Eagles and the Cowboys. Yeah. Or the Giants
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when they had to beat the Tom Brady era. True.
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The only team who wasn't there was the Washington
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Commanders or Redskins, and they're slowly getting
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there now. Yeah. But those fans are still around
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because at one point, Washington was good. Honestly,
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it's crazy, though. know it's like you so you
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have this story of how you picked your team yeah
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well which is cool because you're like technically
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i was a fan of two other teams before i became
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a fan of the oh and okay so just jumping on a
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team hoping they pick a super win the super bowl
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no i became a fan of the eagles when they lost
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okay well yeah I started off because I was playing
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high school football and trying to get into football,
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trying to understand the rules and all that.
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I became a Jets fan. Good call, switching. And
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then a year later, I became a Kansas City fan.
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Good call, switching. But during that time, the
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running back for the Kansas City was Priest Holmes.
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And I loved the running game. I loved how teams
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would run the ball. and how people were actually,
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like, you know, trying to defend it. And, like,
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you know, there was other players. Like, rest
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in peace, Doug Martin. He just passed away on
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Sunday. Same age as me, which is kind of ridiculous.
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That's, like... That's scary. Yeah, it is scary.
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When you're, like, when you start thinking about
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it, and you're, like, man, that's us. Yeah. But
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that's when it became... So then... Obviously,
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the Super Bowl was happening, Eagles. I didn't
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know much about them during that season until
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the Super Bowl. Became a fan in 2004 and just
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stayed ever since and then went through the gridiron.
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And I don't see myself... I can like other players,
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but I will never like another team. That is so
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much more insightful to how I became a Bengals
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fan. How did you become a Bengals fan? Let me
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guess, you picked a team during October? No,
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no. Even more ridiculous than that. Okay. Okay,
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so you know how we give away a jersey every week?
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Oh, Lord. So we would go to a bar, Bernie's,
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every week. They'd give out jerseys every Sunday
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late game or the Thursday late game, the Sunday
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late game, and the Monday late game. Right. They
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had a ton of jerseys. all hanging through the
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rafters. Okay. So we go there three times a week.
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I don't know how we ended up going there that
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often, but a buddy of mine, Chris, shout out
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to Chris. Oh, great. Are we talking about like
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Chris Chris, like the Laker Chris? Yeah. He's
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also a Philadelphia Eagles fan? Yeah. He's also
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an Eagles fan. Yeah. We'll get to that in a minute
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too. London's small. We know all the Eagles fans.
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So anyway. Chris is going in there every week,
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and we're all going in there, but Chris keeps
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winning jerseys. At this point, he's won, I don't
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know, it's like week eight, and he's won seven
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jerseys. And he's picked out, hand -picked out,
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every single one that he likes. Because you can
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pick any of the jerseys, it doesn't matter which
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one. So he's picking jerseys, he's like... Oh,
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I'll get that one for my brother. He's going
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in there. He's like, I got all the ones that
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I wanted. So when I win, I'll get that one for
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my brother. I'll get that one. My dad's a Browns
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fan. Sure, why not? And then he's like, pick
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what jersey you want when I win. And I'm just
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like, I like orange. I'll take that A .J. Green
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jersey. Oh, my God. And then he won. And then
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I was like. Well, I guess I'm a Bengals fan now.
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That is hilarious. That was during the Andy Dalton
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era. When the Bengals were putting up Steelers
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numbers. Yep. And they would make the playoffs
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every year and then lose in the first round.
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Yep. Hadn't won a playoff game in forever. Yeah.
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And then I suffered for a bit. And then COVID
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happened. And then we got Burrow. And then, like,
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yes. Did you get your hopes up? During COVID,
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I sat and... At home, watched the drafts, was
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so excited. Like, the Zoom draft with everyone.
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Like, oh, it was ridiculous. But once you do
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that, you're like, I can't not, can't change
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it up now. Even though the reason I became a
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Bengals fan is kind of stupid when you think
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about it. You're like, I like orange. But it's
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memorable. Yeah. But, no, it's sick. But it was
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because of going out and going there that we
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just bring more and more people out because it's
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like, hey, let's go watch some football, maybe
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win a jersey. It was with those guys I started
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getting into fantasy football, and then everything
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just kind of spirals out of control, and all
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of a sudden you're doing a football podcast with
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a guy you met at a bar. Well, it's funny how
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you became a Bengals fan by going to a bar and
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doing all this. And now we're basically kind
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of passing that. I would love if I could give
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this jersey to somebody and they're just like,
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I don't have a team. You win a jersey. They're
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really nice jerseys. You win a jersey and now
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you're like, you know what? I'm a Seahawks fan
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now. It's funny because when I look at it right
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now, the Seahawks are... On the upswing. This
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is how I example... The promo this week was kind
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of very comic book -y. I was trying to go with
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a little bit of a Batman. Seattle needed a hero
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and they got Sam Donald and they didn't realize
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that was the hero they really needed. Yeah. He's
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their Batman. He's their Batman, 100%. He doesn't
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have any superpowers, but he's... Doing it. But
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the team has the powers. He's just officiating
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everything to make it happen. Yeah, when it comes
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to being fans of things, well, when we met, we
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went to a New England Buffalo game. Which I was
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not a fan of either or, but I loved the game.
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Neither was I. I'm like, I'll throw on a jersey.
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Why not? Because I was going there. With another
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buddy, Nate, who's Pat's fan. Yep. And it's fun
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supporting your friends. If they're not my rival,
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I'm like, whatever. I don't care. Even if they're
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your rival, though. Let's be honest. It's nice
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supporting your friends. Remember when the Eagles
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won the Super Bowl the first time? Man. I'm going
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to be honest. That was a drunken mess. That was
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a mess. It was, okay, so just for you guys who
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are watching and listening, I used to host a
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Super Bowl party every year. And obviously the
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year that we were, the Eagles were in it, we
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went to Run Club and we rent out Run Club and
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Kate was our server. If you're in London area
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and you haven't been to Run Club, ask for Kate
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to be your server. She's absolutely amazing.
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The staff's amazing, honestly. The food's good
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too. And it's also local. They host a mean book
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club. Yeah, we used to do book club. We would
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just go to the run club and watch football. Watch
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football, yeah. So that year I was hosting Super
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Bowl and Eagles were in it. And Chris, who you
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were talking about earlier, wasn't there. He
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was somewhere else. I was also somewhere else.
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Yes. So I had my core group. We were drinking,
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blah, blah, watching the game. And being a typical
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Eagle fan at the time, There's only so many of
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you guys. Well, yes. It also did get to the point
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where it was like, when are we going to lose?
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It's going to happen. We had hope, but we had
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hope that we were going to be there. We didn't
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have hope that we were going to win. And then
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it happened, and then fireworks, and blah, blah.
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It was amazing. And that was the same time that
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T -Pain... And DJ Khaled came out with a song
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called All I Do Is Win, Win, Win No Matter What.
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I'm not saying anymore because I don't want to
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get copyrighted. This is true. This is true.
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So we ended up going to Molly Bloom's after.
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That's where I met you and Chris with the dog
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masks. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Eagles, but
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if someone says, hey, my team just won a Super
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Bowl. Let's throw on some dog masks and sing
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All I Do Is Win on karaoke. I'm in. And we were
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the number one seed, and we were still the underdogs.
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Because we lost Carson Wentz at the time, which
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I'll get to later. But we lost Carson Wentz,
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and we had Big Dick Nick in place. And every
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game, we were supposed to lose. We were supposed
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to lose every game because we had our backup.
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And this is what I was saying about the Bengals.
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It's like, this is a great opportunity for you
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to get your big dick dick. Yeah. And it unfortunately
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didn't happen because eventually you got it in
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other ways. Yeah. We got our big nut Sacco. So
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you got a beast. So big nut Sacco. Yeah. So,
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no, that was great. So, yeah, that's like. when
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i think of it it's like those moments is when
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you become real fans of teams yeah and a lot
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of teams are getting that we always make jokes
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about bandwagoners yeah oh you're just hopping
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on the bandwagon because you want to be cool
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it's less fun when you're a bandwagon it's less
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there's less emotion it's so true like it's fun
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jumping on to support your friends like that's
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that's one thing but if you're just like nah
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I just want to go for this team because they're
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good. And then you end up with a bunch of Chiefs
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fans. Actually, we do have a lot of – I've got
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a lot of buddies that are Pats fans that have
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been for a long time. And they just were the
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right age that they were never bad for years.
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And then when they were bad, we all kind of enjoyed
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it. True, true. All right. You know what? Let's
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skip through a few things. As we're talking about
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fan loyalty and how they're trying to expand
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the game to Europe. They need to work on that.
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I think one of the biggest issues right now is
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they're not sending good games. It's true. And
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as we're talking about how they're... They're
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expanding how we became fans and how we're building
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loyalty. It kind of sucks when you send horrible
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games. It's nice that the Jags have been there
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a whole bunch. Yeah. Unfortunately, the Jags
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are just not good. Yeah. But like, there's that.
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But then here, we're homegrown. And today's a
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huge day. As we're recording this episode, literally
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in a few more minutes, the Blue Jays are about
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to play and have a chance to go into the World
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Series. We're going to build so much more new
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fans because of today. Because this is historical.
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A lot of people are watching them just because
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they're local and they're winning. Most people...
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I think my mom said she stayed up until... 10
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.30, 11 o 'clock to watch a baseball game. She
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doesn't even watch baseball, really. But she
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will when it's playoffs and stuff. It's true.
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It is when it's playoffs. But it's also like,
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where were you when Canada made history? Yeah.
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Again. Because the last time we were there was
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92 -93. Yep. And we haven't been there since.
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Now we have a great opportunity to get back to
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the World Series and face my Dodgers. which we
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know, unfortunately, baseball, get a salary cap,
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make the league fair. They have a salary cap,
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kind of. It's a luxury tax. But then they just
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do all these little screwy things like, we'll
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just pay them later. It's a luxury tax. It's
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not a salary cap. It's a luxury tax. Oh, you're
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making too much money? Pay the league more. Oh,
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it's so funny to me, though, because, like, Otani,
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just totally off topic. Asian version of Babe
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Ruth. Yeah, but hitting it further, throwing
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it harder, running faster. Hit three home runs.
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But his massive salary, they're paying him like
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$2 million a year right now. For four years,
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it works out to be a little bit more, $460 million.
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No, no, like $2 million a year. But then after,
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then he's getting... Fun fact though, the Dodgers
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actually have their full salary. paid already
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because of merchandises ticket sales yeah and
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everything they really had that fully paid off
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in one year oh no it's a great financial move
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for them but i i just mean like from a league
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fairness standpoint you're paying the best player
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in baseball not a lot and then it's prolonged
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it is a lot but it's prolonged but then later
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on I don't know. When you look at the numbers,
25:40
you're like, okay, well, he's going to go there,
25:43
make all this money, and then he's going to move
25:47
to somewhere that he won't have to pay income
25:49
tax and then take his half a billion dollars.
25:54
Yeah, he'll go back home. It's insane. He'll
25:57
go back home. He'll retire and go back home.
26:00
That's why he can throw it as hard as he wants
26:03
because he can blow it his arm and it's fine.
26:06
Yeah. Obviously, he wants to play a long time.
26:09
His job is to bring World Series over to the
26:12
Dodgers. Yeah. That's all he has to do. Crazy.
26:15
He already did it last year. If he does it this
26:17
year, bonus. If he does it the year after, bonus.
26:21
It is wild how off topic we got real quick. Well,
26:24
we're off the bench. No matter what we're talking
26:26
about. Off the bench. Just off of everything.
26:28
We're not really off topic because at the end
26:30
of the day, what we're talking about is really
26:32
about. Fans are going to be remembering this.
26:35
That's true. And how they're going to stay as
26:38
connected to their team. I'm a Dodgers fan because
26:41
of Magic Johnson. Yeah. Right? I'm a Laker fan.
26:46
Magic Johnson used to play for the Lakers. He's
26:49
part owner of the Dodgers. Oh, I was wondering.
26:51
I was like, he's not a Dodger. Yeah, he's part
26:55
owner of the Dodgers. So I couldn't be a fan
26:58
at the time of the Blue Jays. Due to the fact
27:03
that at the time, the Blue Jays were doing well.
27:07
It was very Baywagon -y. Yeah, see, that's that
27:10
line where you're just like, I don't want to
27:12
jump on a Baywagon. So then I became a Dodger,
27:14
and we weren't good at the time. Yeah. And then
27:17
now, because I was a fan of the Dodgers when
27:20
they had Yasiel Peek. See, I do not watch that
27:23
much baseball. Okay, that's fair. That's when
27:25
I became a fan of the Dodgers, and we weren't
27:27
good. We weren't decent. And then, obviously,
27:30
now, look at us. Finally, like, I've seen, what,
27:35
three World Series now? Yeah. So I picked a good
27:39
team to cheer for if I wanted to only look at
27:42
the back end of things. But, yeah, overall, it's
27:45
pretty amazing just to look at how sports has
27:48
changed. Like, we just had somebody just walk
27:52
in through, and he's a Denver fan. And he's on
27:57
his phone right now, so he's not really paying
27:58
attention. And he, like, I was always making
28:02
jokes. He's on my flag football team. And I was
28:05
making the joke that the Eagles were going to
28:06
wash Denver because they're still a young team.
28:09
Then the Eagles destroyed us. First thing I could
28:12
do is get a message straight from him and say,
28:14
so it was going to be slim pickings. The community
28:18
that we've built because of our fan loyalty is
28:21
huge. It's also when we watch a team play and
28:26
we see them win, it's like gambling. It's a dopamine
28:29
hit. Yeah, you don't even have to have money
28:31
on the game. It's the best. You have money on
28:34
the game or you don't. You're watching a team
28:35
win. Boom. Okay. Damn. But when you see those
28:41
organizations like that, some organizations are
28:46
just good and some are bad. And it comes down
28:51
a lot to... What are the owners all about? Are
28:54
the owners all about the fans? Are they all about
28:57
bringing championships to the city? Or are they
29:01
all about trying to make money? Because you see
29:04
some that are just, they seem like they're money
29:08
hungry. That's it. And then you see other ones
29:12
that, like, they make those sacrifices. They,
29:15
I don't know, they do all the extra guaranteed
29:19
money so they can get people in. so they can
29:22
get those big contracts. Some organizations just
29:25
don't, and that's why they're picking first in
29:28
the draft every year. Sure. You see some organizations
29:31
like the Jets, or even the Leafs for a long time.
29:38
The Leafs will sell out every single game, record
29:42
ticket sales every year, because it's corporate.
29:49
And obviously they want to win. You want to win,
29:52
but if it's corporate, dollars make sense. Exactly.
29:57
There's no ands or buts. What's making me money?
30:01
Yes, winning would be nice to win a Stanley Cup.
30:04
Cool. But if we stay middle of the pack and we
30:08
give people hope, people are still going to be
30:10
running through our doors. But that's when they're
30:13
just like, oh, do we get this guy? no, we'll
30:16
just save money, save some money, and, like,
30:18
we don't need to do that. Like, you see it sometimes,
30:20
like, with organizations, like, how they treat
30:22
their teams, treat their fans. I think that's
30:29
a big reason why some New York teams aren't doing
30:32
very good, because there's too much to do there.
30:37
Like, they get lost in the crowd. Whereas, like,
30:40
if you go to some of these more small marketplaces,
30:46
If in Philadelphia, I bet you if any of the guys
30:53
on that team were out on the street, everyone
30:56
would recognize them. Yes. Whereas in New York,
31:01
you could have 95 % of the team walk around,
31:07
no one notices. They can just grocery shop like
31:10
normal. 100 % agree with that statement. It's
31:15
just such a big swing because the money's there,
31:21
so they're just like, oh, it doesn't matter.
31:22
They just get lost in the crowd. But then it
31:25
also switches over because, like, unfortunately,
31:28
Canada doesn't get the same opportunities as
31:30
all these other teams. Like, in the NFL, we don't
31:32
have an NFL team. Yeah. So, like, Canada's split
31:35
between where you are. If you're in Ontario...
31:37
If the NFL wants an international team... Toronto's
31:40
the perfect place. It's close to everyone. It's
31:45
easy to get to Toronto or even surrounding areas.
31:48
Just don't go to Vancouver because a lot of us
31:50
are going to miss out. You're going to put it
31:54
right smack dab in the middle of the country.
31:57
Winnipeg? Yeah. That'd go so good. You're better
32:02
off on the coast. Newfoundland or something.
32:06
Increase the tourism. When you look at Ontario,
32:11
If you're a fan of the NFL, you're usually either
32:13
a fan of Detroit or Buffalo because that's the
32:16
closest game you can really get to it. You get
32:19
to go experience the games. If you're in Alberta,
32:22
Seattle, because you can get close to there.
32:25
Same with Vancouver, you can get close to. So
32:28
it's like, it's one of those things where it's
32:30
like, but then... When you talk baseball, we
32:34
only have one team, and we have the Blue Jays.
32:36
Now you have a whole culture or a whole country
32:39
cheering behind one team. When it's the NHL Finals,
32:43
we're always going to cheer for a Canadian team
32:45
because it's been how many years since the Canadian
32:49
team hasn't won? Yeah, exactly. So you look at
32:55
those complexes and so forth. Martin. Sure. 9
33:07
to 5. And that's what you can do here when you
33:12
have the simulator hooked up. You can rent one
33:14
of these out. $150. Get some beers. Get some
33:18
nachos. Get a nice big TV behind you. And someone
33:22
will come over and bring you a beer. Canada is
33:28
different when it comes to these states because
33:30
we don't have the same amount of resources of
33:31
teams, but it is a very cultural... Yeah, it's
33:39
just like a brotherhood. Yeah. Also, it's great
33:42
to talk about at work. You'd be at the workplace
33:45
and you could talk about sports because it's
33:47
a universal language, whether you team one or
33:50
not. I think it's funny how guys could hang out
33:54
for hours just listing off... old sports players.
33:59
Yep. And it'll just be like, say a name of a
34:02
guy, and you're like, oh, yeah, nice. I forgot
34:04
about him. I forgot about him. Yeah, he was good.
34:06
Like me dropping the name of Priest Holmes. Only
34:09
so many people know about Priest Holmes. Because
34:13
he was an amazing running back that was underrated.
34:15
But he had to know about football at the time
34:17
to know who he is. But it's just interesting.
34:20
You can go and sit down, watch a game. It is
34:26
funny, though, because you end up getting caught
34:30
up in talking about sports and stuff. You're
34:32
like, oh, hey, how's Malcolm doing? How's his
34:36
family doing? I don't know. I didn't ask. No,
34:42
we were too busy talking about sports. We were
34:44
talking about sports. We were talking about that.
34:45
You were hanging out with him for four hours.
34:47
What were you talking about? We're on a subject.
34:51
Yeah. We're not talking like we're on a subject.
34:54
Yeah. So, it's like going to a brewery and you're
34:58
trying to try new beers. I'm not talking about
35:00
life. I'm talking about just, like, I'm drinking
35:03
9 to 5. I'm getting another 9 to 5 from my buddy
35:05
Martin. But, like, we could talk about this late
35:08
lager that it's, like, drinking Coors Light or
35:11
Bud Light and so forth. I'm not talking about
35:13
anything else. Yeah. Well, just, that's the main
35:17
thing. Focused. Right? But. But, yeah, loyalty
35:24
when it comes to fans is crazy. Oh, 100%. I love
35:29
seeing the diehard fans. And, like, I don't know,
35:33
we went to a Michigan game once. That was amazing.
35:37
Wasn't a fan of either or. I mean, I don't know
35:39
if it was you a fan. Yeah, but it's just you
35:41
go and it's the atmosphere that just lights you
35:43
up. Oh, for sure. For sure, for sure. All right,
35:51
so who do you think? Do you think the Jays are
35:52
going to be able to get to the World Series?
35:54
Man, I hope so. I really do. It would be great
35:57
for us. We both work in the service industry,
35:59
so it would be great for us. I mean, I'd love
36:02
it. Like, just from, like, a happiness standpoint
36:06
of everybody, I feel like everyone just needs
36:10
it. Like, we've come so close. Like, they've
36:13
had such a good year. And it was like this series
36:19
started out scary. Oh, it did. Like going down
36:22
0 -2 and then making the comeback. Like last
36:28
night was nuts. So we'll see how it plays out.
36:33
But I'm really hoping for him. You see Darcy?
36:41
So this is the benefit of having Clubhouse. Like,
36:45
all our friends are, like, here as well. Yeah.
36:48
So we can interact as well as try to do our podcast
36:51
at the same time. So, like, you know, come to
36:54
Clubhouse. Be a part of it. Yeah. It's a movement
36:57
we're making. Just get off the bench. Yeah, exactly.
37:00
You're on your couch at home. We call that a
37:02
bench. So get off the bench. Come join us. It's
37:08
always a good time here. For sure. You want to
37:12
talk about football now? Do I ever. I know the
37:15
first game on the list. All right. All right.
37:18
Ladies and gentlemen, we got to take care of
37:20
one thing. Every week we host this podcast at
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stadium with tickets. And trust me, it's a good
37:48
time. Yeah. And then obviously you get us on
37:51
Monday night. We get featured. It's honestly
37:54
an honor. You and I, we do this every week anyways.
37:59
Yeah. So it's just amazing to have a platform
38:01
where we can do this with all y 'all. So greatly
38:04
appreciate it. Shout out to everyone that's listening.
38:06
You get the VIP treatment. Yeah. Where we are
38:08
right now, just imagine if you're turned the
38:10
other way and facing the game. And while we're
38:13
talking to you guys, if you guys have any cool
38:17
fan stories. Send them our way. Send them our
38:20
way. Go on, send them. We love to hear about
38:23
what made people fans of things. 100%. And what
38:28
keeps you going. Any real cool fan experience.
38:31
Maybe championships. Maybe going to games. You
38:36
know what? Next week. We'll feature for some
38:39
of the best ones. Yeah. Not saying the best ones,
38:42
but ones that are like, oh, okay, that's unique
38:45
or that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, man. All right. Thursday
38:50
night, there was a game. What a game. That happened.
38:54
Two teams played. The score was 31 -33. Everyone
38:59
was icy hot. It definitely was the old bowl.
39:04
Both quarterbacks are in their 40s. Ladies and
39:07
gentlemen, the Steelers versus the Bengals. Yeah,
39:10
what a game. Man, I was scared. Why? At the very
39:16
beginning. I was like... The Steelers started
39:22
with the ball. They go all the way down. Nice
39:26
long drive. Start up 7 -0. And I'm like, oh no,
39:32
not this again. But Joe Big Nut Sacco came back
39:38
into the picture. Sacco. Holy. What a difference
39:46
an actual starting quarterback makes. Okay. It's
39:53
insane. I remember when we posted a few weeks
39:56
ago of other quarterbacks like Andy Dalton. I
40:00
know, and I was like. And one of the comments
40:02
that we got back was, there's no point because
40:05
our O -line is bad, blah, blah. Yeah. You know
40:08
what? That's not me. Yeah, you said that. Yeah,
40:12
I said a lot. Our buddy Terry also said that.
40:14
You guys are diehard fans, and I get it. Yeah,
40:16
we thought he died. We literally thought he died.
40:19
And then we saw the trade happen. People made
40:21
the jokes, elderly abuse. Yeah. Like, but he's...
40:26
manipulating the pocket he's directing traffic
40:29
he's doing one yeah you're right but he's been
40:33
in the league for so long he knows most of these
40:35
blitz packages that are coming to him so he can
40:38
pick things up way faster he can tell guys where
40:41
to go where to block and not not even just that
40:45
the the morale in the locker room has changed
40:49
a hundred percent hundred percent it's insane
40:52
like I honestly can't believe how much of a turnaround
40:57
it's been. Like, I realize there's still a bunch
41:01
of problems, but they figured it out. Hey, here's
41:05
a crazy idea. Throw it to your star receiver
41:08
23 times. 23 times. He broke his own record for
41:14
receptions. When in doubt, he'll be over there
41:18
somewhere. He's like, well, he's my number one
41:20
read. What do I do? Oh, I read that one first.
41:23
Oh. Oh, he's really good. He's open a lot. I
41:26
should just throw it there. Jake Browning, you
41:28
lost your backup position. Yeah, no kidding.
41:31
Between him, T. Higgins. T. Higgins being completely
41:36
selfless, sliding to get us that win. He could
41:40
have had that touchdown. Yeah, he could have.
41:44
That's a team win. And those are the things that
41:47
are going to boost up the league. The one thing
41:52
that I took away from that game, though, was
41:54
definitely, and it's pretty simple. Your O -line
42:00
played absolutely amazing. And it was at the
42:05
point where I was just like, what O -line is
42:08
this? Did you make another trade? Because they
42:11
never played this good, even with Joe Burrow.
42:14
So now that questions my opinion on Joe Burrow.
42:18
Does he not know how to read a blitz properly?
42:20
And maybe that's why the cracks are happening.
42:23
And that's why our perception is going one way.
42:26
Now, it is the Steelers, and they were playing
42:30
a lot of man. But they still had T .J. Watt.
42:33
That's my point. T .J. Watt barely did anything.
42:37
And I'm like, oh, so this is how your old line
42:41
actually wants to play. Or they just really didn't
42:43
want to be accomplices to murder if Joe Flacco
42:45
got killed. Which they did a great job. 10 out
42:49
of 10. Which is true. Which is 100 % correct.
42:50
You could be right with that statement. But I'm
42:53
looking at it as like, your O -line never played
42:56
like that ever since Burrow's been in as the
43:00
starting quarterback. And then Jake Burrow, or
43:03
Jake Browning, sorry. I'm sorry. You may have
43:08
high school records. Yeah, he played really well
43:10
last year, but this year was not it. But what
43:13
Joe Flacco was doing, manipulating. Comeback
43:16
player again. Actually, he's second right now
43:19
in comeback player. He even ran for a 12 -yard
43:23
first down. Yes, he was running. Called his own
43:28
number. Ridiculous. So good. So, I was impressed.
43:33
I was 100 % impressed with the icy hot pool.
43:36
Oh, man. I think Aaron Rodgers is probably still
43:39
sore after his... Did you see his O -lineman
43:41
tackle him? Yep, yep. He was so mad. He's skipping
43:46
after throwing a touchdown as O -line's all giddy
43:49
happy. I could break a bone. Yeah, seriously.
43:54
Like the man's ancient. Nah, but it was definitely
43:58
great to see. I was very proud of you guys. I
44:02
picked you guys in my weekly pool. Me too. I'm
44:05
glad that it came to fruition. It's that excitement
44:09
that keeps you coming back. It's the hope. It
44:15
keeps you guys alive to win playoffs, though.
44:18
It took the Browns taking a chance on you guys
44:22
for some odd reason because the Browns probably
44:24
knew they weren't going to make it. The Browns
44:25
just do silly things that make you want to question
44:29
what they're doing. But it does make you happy
44:32
that they're in your division. The other thing
44:34
is, you guys did call Derek Carr first. Yeah.
44:39
And he wasn't coming out of retirement. And then
44:42
the Browns decided to be the Browns and help
44:43
you guys out. And I think this worked out probably
44:46
better. Yeah. Because cards tend to break down,
44:51
especially come playoff time. Don't forget to
44:54
get your oil change. Yeah. All right. International
45:00
game. We got the Rams and the Jags. I don't really
45:03
want to talk about this game, but we have to.
45:06
I'm done with the Jags. Hey, Matt Stafford, was
45:11
he the third oldest quarterback in the league?
45:14
Joe Flacco, second oldest through three. Aaron
45:19
Rodgers, oldest through four. Matt Stafford through
45:23
five, and he's 37. Wow. It's just, I don't know.
45:30
It's just one of them days. Wow. I don't know,
45:38
man. Like. But, yeah, no, they got to figure
45:40
something out. Like, sending these teams, like,
45:44
the Jags are just, it's a mess. And it's like,
45:49
it was not a pretty game. Now, obviously, when
45:53
they're making the schedule, they're not predicting
45:55
this. Yeah. You assume they're going to be better.
46:01
But, like, I feel like they're trying to get
46:03
off a lot on the. Travis Hunter hype, which he
46:08
played pretty good. Got his first touchdown.
46:10
Yeah. So played more offense than defense. So
46:15
we know what route he's going. Yeah. He's going
46:17
to be predominantly wide receiver. That's kind
46:21
of what I was expecting. He's probably going
46:22
to be like a really, really good wide receiver
46:26
too. Yeah. And a serviceable DB. Probably. Like...
46:37
Was it worth as much as they spent on him? Pardon?
46:41
Was it worth as much as they spent on him? No,
46:44
it wasn't worth the draft pick. It... Yeah, if
46:47
he gets injured... It's not worth it. I mean,
46:51
he is essentially playing... He's two guys. He's
46:54
not worth the draft pick right now. But, yeah.
46:56
He can't sustain what he's doing right now. Well,
47:01
I mean, especially, like, right now, he's still
47:03
young. He's going to have to figure it out by
47:06
the time he's like... But he's also got to focus
47:09
which position is going to pay him the most.
47:11
Yeah. Is it DB or is it wide receivers? Both
47:15
can pay pretty well. He'll get paid more as a
47:17
wide receiver, though. Yeah. Like, let's be honest.
47:22
Yeah, yes and no. Because if he could... I can't
47:27
see him being the highest paid wide receiver.
47:29
But I could... Depending on who his quarterback
47:31
is. If he twisted it... and focused all on defense,
47:36
he could be the highest paid. He's still too
47:39
short. True, yeah. He can make more money as
47:44
a wide receiver, even with his height, because
47:47
he's so mobile and his chopping ability. His
47:50
height will slow him down. I guess time will
47:53
tell. 100%. We got his whole career to watch
47:56
for. Eagles and Vikings. There's another fun
48:03
game. 82 -22. It was... So we had Thursday night,
48:08
which was the IC Bowl. Yep. And then... Sunday,
48:15
it was past and present bowl. Past and present.
48:19
Past and present. Oh, right. Because we drafted
48:23
Carson Wentz. That's true. And he almost took
48:26
us to the promised land. Then we... Then Jalen
48:29
Hurts was his backup at one point. I forgot he
48:32
was his backup. And then forced the move. And
48:36
then Carson Wentz almost had a chance to win
48:38
a Super Bowl as a backup. Yeah. Under Patrick
48:43
Mahomes. But Jalen Hurts ruined that for him.
48:47
Oh, that's so funny. That's probably why Carson
48:53
Wentz was playing pretty decent. Last year, Carson
48:56
Wentz was the backup to Patrick Mahomes in Kansas
48:59
City when they lost. That's funny. Poor guy.
49:04
Oh, hilarious. But I guess... What do you think?
49:10
The offense is back? Are they no longer the pigeons?
49:13
They're still the pigeons. You know why? The
49:17
reason why they're pigeons is because they keep
49:19
listening to media. Yeah. The only reason why
49:22
they probably played this well is because they
49:24
saw all the reports. They probably listened to
49:25
our broadcasts. That's probably it. It's definitely
49:28
us. They're like, they called us pigeons. How
49:31
dare they? We're going to play well, so we're
49:34
not called pigeons anymore. It had to be. It
49:36
had to be. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's
49:38
kind of ridiculous. But they played amazing.
49:44
Jalen Hurts put his team on the back. They did.
49:47
You know what I did this week? What? Benched
49:49
AJ Brown. That sucks. Yeah, I know. That sucks.
49:55
That hurts. It's rough. That sucks. But it happens.
49:59
I definitely played Devontae Smith. Got me 33
50:02
fantasy points. I know. I know. I was on the
50:04
other end of that. So, you know, it was good.
50:10
I just wish the Eagles would stop focusing on
50:13
media and just actually play the game properly
50:15
because they're still not running the ball. Again,
50:18
their O -line's not the same. Yeah. Whatever
50:20
they're trying to do. They need to figure out
50:22
their identity. Because they're like. It's week
50:25
seven. They're trying to be their old hard running
50:29
team. It's not going to work. But it's not working.
50:32
And then they're like, oh, yeah, we can pass
50:34
too. Because we have all these weapons. It's
50:36
not going to work. And they finally do it. And
50:39
then they win again. But I don't know. It's like
50:46
they don't want to do it. Sure. It's like they
50:49
want to only do it if they have to. It's like
50:52
they have their own story they want to tell and
50:54
they're going to figure it out. Yeah. It's interesting.
50:59
It's true. But hey, a win for you guys. At least
51:04
we're not on a three -game winning streak or
51:06
losing streak. I've been there. Four sucks. Oh,
51:10
true. But we'll see what happens. I'm looking
51:15
forward to... next week and see what version
51:19
of the Eagles we get that week or pigeons. Personally,
51:23
I'm excited for next week as well because we
51:26
get to play the Jets. Odds are guaranteed one
51:30
for you guys. I hope so, but we'll probably,
51:32
I don't know. The Jets have to win one at some
51:35
point. It's true. Hopefully it's not against
51:38
us. That'll suck. Now we got the Patriots versus
51:43
the Titans. 31 -13. It was a revenge game for
51:48
a coach. Vrabel, holy. They're chanting his name.
51:53
Alright, I have this fun thing I'm going to say.
51:57
Drake May, top five quarterback in the league
51:59
right now. He's playing unreal. Top five. Yeah.
52:05
He is absolutely amazing right now. It's stunning
52:10
to see. He's definitely top five. You have to
52:13
be... You have to be playing really, really well
52:17
if you're going to break one of Tom Brady's records,
52:22
let alone completion percentage record. Because
52:27
what do you get, like 91 -something percent?
52:31
I believe so. I mean, it gets 3 % higher, but
52:38
it's still the highest completion percent, which
52:42
is insane. Plus, he runs. I don't know. Whatever
52:47
he's drinking or whatever he's doing, it's working.
52:51
And it's funny how a coach can change a culture
52:54
in just a year. Belichick was there. I can't
52:57
remember the coach from last year. And Frank
53:01
Vogel, or not Frank, Verbal. Who? The coach now
53:06
for the Patriots. Verbal? That's Verbal. The
53:10
way he's, like, he's a defensive -minded coach.
53:12
Yeah. So, like, he's building that team. But
53:15
he teaches them to be tough. Yes. And I feel
53:18
like they had lost. They'd been down for long
53:23
enough that they've got a lot of really good
53:25
draft picks. Like, once Belichick left, they
53:28
started drafting better. Yep. And they needed
53:33
some receiving help. They got digs. Which, on
53:41
and off, hot and cold. Yeah. But when you got
53:44
Drake May playing like he is, it's crazy. And
53:49
then the Titans are just, oof. Yeah, I know that
53:56
they fired their head coach last week. I don't
54:01
even know who's coaching them now. Some intern.
54:04
Yeah. Well, it doesn't really matter. Somebody.
54:11
Panthers versus Jets? 13 -6? The Jets are always
54:19
fun in new ways to break records. They're the
54:23
first team to lose two straight while keeping
54:26
their opponent to 13 points or less. I don't
54:32
even know how you do that. At least the coach
54:34
knows he's not going to get fired. Well, they
54:38
fired Robert Sala when he was 2 -3, and they've
54:42
gone, three and 16 since so I mean clearly firing
54:49
the coach wasn't the problem I think I honestly
54:52
think it's it's a top -down organization like
54:56
they're just not doing good things and because
55:02
they're not they're not getting the attention
55:04
and I I mean Aaron Rodgers and Devontae Adams
55:09
couldn't even fix it No, it's a whole lot of
55:13
things. Yeah. And now they've got a bunch of
55:17
people injured. But let's be honest, they need
55:19
to find their Jackson Dart. Yeah. Like, they
55:24
need to find their why, they need to find their
55:26
cause, they need to find why they're playing.
55:28
Well, they just need a direction. I don't, but
55:32
like... Like Justin Fields? He ain't it. Yeah.
55:36
Yeah, he has the worst record. of any quarterback
55:40
with, I think, 50 starts ever. Something like
55:45
that. It's bad. It's also sad because, like,
55:47
Justin Fields, while you go into the Jets, he
55:50
just ruins your career. You're done. Yeah. No
55:53
other team's going to take a chance on you. No,
55:55
and, like, he's not even – maybe he could be
55:58
a backup, but, like, he'd get the same – nobody's
56:01
going to want him because you want a backup that
56:02
will go in and people will be like, nice, he's
56:06
got this. There's no confidence. There's no faith.
56:09
It was the last week when Russell Wilson went
56:15
in for a play and just got booed. You don't want
56:20
that. I can't see any team wanting that. No,
56:24
no, no. Maybe they'll go to the Browns. Who knows?
56:29
I don't even think the Browns would do that.
56:31
No. And Browns would do stupid things. They just
56:34
got two rookies. Speaking of the Browns, the
56:36
Browns did play. They played the Dolphins. Hey,
56:40
they finally put up more than 18 points. 31 points
56:45
against the measly six against the Dolphins.
56:49
It's great for teams. Like you were saying a
56:52
few weeks ago, those layups. Yeah. The Cleveland
56:55
have one of those layups because there's no...
56:58
There's no more dysfunctional team in the NFL
57:00
than the Dolphins. I don't understand how he
57:03
still, like, Josh McDaniels still has a job.
57:06
Or Mike McDaniels. Mike McDaniels and Tua Tulova.
57:11
I can't even say his name. Yeah, it's probably
57:14
because you hit your head almost as many times
57:16
as he has. Probably not, actually. The amount
57:18
of concussions I got from playing beefs? Come
57:20
on. Don't say that. Beef eaters. London football
57:26
team. That got screwed over. Yeah. But... Yeah,
57:33
no, Tua, I don't think anyone's going to want
57:36
him either. He's too expensive. What comes first,
57:40
the chicken or the egg? Who's going to get fired
57:42
and who's going to bench you? Which one's the
57:43
chicken, which one's the egg? Good question.
57:46
Because at this rate, you and I can't tell. Yeah.
57:50
I... I have no idea. It's horrible. There's no
57:56
leadership from the quarterback. Mike McDaniels
57:59
looks drunk all the time. He's not fixing the
58:02
culture there. It's like in school when you had
58:07
that one teacher that was just trying to be tool
58:10
too bad, too hard. You have a manager, they're
58:13
just trying to be cool, they're trying to be
58:15
one of the guys. But they're not, and they're
58:18
also just a terrible manager. At some point,
58:22
you have to do your job. And that may be making
58:26
sure people don't like you. Yeah. Sometimes you
58:29
got to have those hard conversations. Like, guys,
58:31
show up to the meeting. Yeah. But, like, it looked
58:36
to me at one point, like, the Dolphins O -line
58:39
opened up and just let someone have a free run
58:43
at Tua. Like, you've seen the longest yard when
58:47
they're doing that to teach them a lesson. He's
58:50
like, are they just trying to get him out? He
58:54
is one concussion away. Yeah. But, like, the
58:58
smart move from the Browns was to not take him
59:01
out. Because that would have hurt your team if
59:03
taken out Tua. I don't even know who their backup
59:06
is. Who cares? It's the Dolphins. Yeah, it doesn't
59:10
matter. They're done anyways. It doesn't matter.
59:15
The next game that was after was the Saints and
59:17
the Bears. That was 14 -6 for the Bears. It's
59:23
interesting with them. I feel like Ben Johnson
59:29
is trying to take the ball out of Caleb Williams'
59:33
hands. Someone needs to. So he can't run around
59:36
and try and be a hero. Because he runs around
59:39
the same way that Russell Wilson used to. Whereas
59:42
he's running around, but like... When he's running
59:45
around, nothing is opening up. So he's just kind
59:48
of running around aimlessly in the back. He doesn't
59:51
have a plan of where he's running. Maybe that
59:54
might be what they need to work on. Figure out
59:57
schemes to be like, okay, so if this happens,
1:00:01
here is your escape. We know you're going to
1:00:05
try to escape. This is where we want you to go.
1:00:08
This is your safety. If nothing else happens,
1:00:13
this will be open. Yeah. They need to do that
1:00:16
because he just, like, runs around in the back.
1:00:19
And the Saints, I feel like Spencer Adler was
1:00:22
trying to be a hero, trying to show that he's
1:00:25
better than him. That's why he's throwing through
1:00:27
an interception. But, like, I don't know. But
1:00:33
that lateral play, Taysom Hill's lateral? Yes.
1:00:38
That was sick. Hey, who the – Lots of hope out
1:00:43
there. Yeah. Like, we're still God, and we're
1:00:47
just... Like, that was like a hook and ladder
1:00:49
play, but it was like... It was like a right
1:00:52
full, like, almost a full right angle, like,
1:00:55
straight down the middle, out to the sideline.
1:00:57
Well, you can tell that they practiced it. Yeah,
1:00:58
you can't do that on, like... A regular tight
1:01:01
end can't do that. No. Well... Hill's not a regular
1:01:06
tight end. No, he's not. He's a quarterback.
1:01:08
He's a wide receiver. He's a running back. I
1:01:09
think he's lined up at almost every position.
1:01:11
He's a utility player. Yeah. That's why I love
1:01:14
him in fantasy because you never knew what position
1:01:16
he may actually play. Yeah. So. Yeah, you put
1:01:21
him as your tight end and he's like throwing
1:01:23
touchdowns and running them in and you're like,
1:01:25
what is happening? Perfect. I love it. Or gets
1:01:27
nothing. That's true. You never know. But at
1:01:32
this rate. Do you think the Bears are a playoff
1:01:34
team? It's hard to say because of who they've
1:01:41
played. Like, the Saints, no one's going to argue
1:01:46
that the Saints are making the playoffs. Yeah,
1:01:48
they're rebuilding. We know they're not going
1:01:49
to be good. Yeah. So, like, barely beating them
1:01:53
doesn't show anything. The Bears play the Bengals
1:01:59
in a couple weeks. That's probably going to be
1:02:02
a big identifier. That'll be a good test. Yeah.
1:02:04
Test for both, really. True. Because, like, the
1:02:07
Bengals have a hard time stopping the run. And
1:02:11
the Bears are transitioning to mostly run. Yep.
1:02:16
So we'll see how that plays out. All right. So
1:02:21
there's one game I want to talk about. And I've
1:02:24
been noticing a lot of people, a lot of other
1:02:26
people have been talking about it. Some Raiders
1:02:28
and the Chiefs. 31 -0. Patrick Mahomes is now
1:02:32
in talks to be in the MVP race. For what? For
1:02:37
absolutely what? Like, come on. You don't deserve
1:02:42
to be in the MVP talk. You finally got your weapons
1:02:45
back. Yes, everything's going to be smooth sailing
1:02:48
and you deserve the MVP talk? For what? I don't
1:02:52
know, man. It drives me nuts. Is Chris Collingworth
1:02:58
working on all levels of media? Like, is he giving
1:03:01
a check to everyone? Because I would like mine
1:03:02
then. Then I'll be praising Patrick Mahomes if
1:03:05
I get a check from Chris Collingworth. I ain't
1:03:06
taking that money. That's dirty money. You took
1:03:10
it worse. But, like, it doesn't... Okay. It was
1:03:19
the Raiders. Yeah, and the Raiders are, like,
1:03:22
a disaster right now. And they lost Crosby during
1:03:28
the game. Their offense wasn't doing anything.
1:03:32
Their defense was not doing a single thing. And
1:03:36
then what drove me the most nuts was all this
1:03:40
hype about Rasheed Rice coming back. Like, I
1:03:45
get it. Yes, he came back. Three touchdowns.
1:03:47
I know. I know. Crazy. But everyone's like...
1:03:52
going nuts and they're doing all these hype -up
1:03:55
videos of him coming back like he didn't almost
1:03:58
murder a family recklessly driving. Yeah, they're
1:04:01
going to swoop that under the rug because the
1:04:04
NFL makes money. He served his suspension of
1:04:06
six weeks. If a regular person did that, do you
1:04:11
think they would get six weeks? Maybe we should
1:04:16
talk about ethics and football. Yeah, no kidding.
1:04:20
Because obviously... There's something missing.
1:04:23
Yeah, because there's a lot of, like, yeah, you
1:04:26
can do whatever you want as long as you can play.
1:04:28
Like, I get it. But at the same time, you're
1:04:31
like, man, some people need some consequences.
1:04:36
Oh, for sure, for sure. It's a little bit ridiculous,
1:04:39
but... Yeah, all I really got to say is Patrick
1:04:45
Mahomes, as great as he is... You're not MVP
1:04:51
talk because, yes, you're the leading runner
1:04:55
on your team and all, but I see, like, Baker
1:05:00
Mayfield, Jared Goff, you know, Matthew Stafford.
1:05:04
I would say them, Stafford, I would say Drake
1:05:10
May. Those are MVPs right now because they're...
1:05:14
It doesn't matter about you're missing your top
1:05:18
weapons. Yeah. You're still finding a way to
1:05:20
win games. Yeah. You are losing the majority
1:05:24
of your games. Like, they're two and four, or
1:05:28
three and four now? Yeah, three and four. And
1:05:32
we're talking about MVP for him. You've lost
1:05:34
four games. Yeah. I think. I think that's your
1:05:39
record. That sounds accurate. That sounds accurate.
1:05:43
So. Such is life. The Chiefs will always frustrate
1:05:52
the hell out of us. It's just the world we live
1:05:56
in. It's because Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs
1:05:57
are marketable. That's what I find hilarious.
1:06:01
We're fans of other teams. You're like, nah,
1:06:03
not those guys. You can be happy for teams, but
1:06:06
you're like, nah. At first, I was fine with it
1:06:09
because it was Andy Reid, and I wanted him to
1:06:11
get a Super Bowl. But then it's the other things
1:06:14
on the back end of it. It's just like, It was
1:06:17
cool for them to win, and then Patrick Mahomes'
1:06:22
brother started being annoying. Then the whole
1:06:26
Taylor Swift, and I'm sorry Swifties out there,
1:06:30
the whole, the NFL was using Taylor Swift to
1:06:34
gain more revenue, which was annoying for us
1:06:37
regular fans, and it was taken away from the
1:06:40
game. Then it got to the point where it was like,
1:06:42
we don't want you guys anymore. Stop. But it
1:06:47
is what it is. Oh, for sure. Moving on. Colts
1:06:52
versus the Chargers. 38 -24. I just feel bad
1:06:57
for the Chargers. They need their own linebacker.
1:07:00
Yep. They're injury prone. They're done. I don't
1:07:05
think they're done. But I think they need to
1:07:08
get a couple guys back. See, a lot of people
1:07:14
in here agree with me on that. All these Blue
1:07:16
Jays fans right now are going off. Tie game.
1:07:20
Tie game. Damien Dimes, I'm sorry. But yeah,
1:07:27
they're playing well. I feel like a lot of people
1:07:32
didn't draft Taylor because of his injury history.
1:07:38
And you're like, ah, whatever. Daniel Jones didn't
1:07:43
turn that around. And then someone picked him
1:07:45
up and was like, ah, I'm stuck with him. And
1:07:48
then he just goes off and off and off. Or you
1:07:51
got him as a steal. He's had like three touchdown
1:07:56
games. Yep. It's nuts. He's back. He's back.
1:08:00
100%. As soon as I stop drafting him, he's back.
1:08:04
It's funny because next year people are going
1:08:06
to draft him. And it's going to be like Saquon
1:08:08
Barkley. He's not going to get a single touch.
1:08:10
Yeah, I know. It's ridiculous. There's no winning.
1:08:16
Don't gamble, kids. I picked Green Bay Packers
1:08:18
to win the Super Bowl. I'm regretting that decision
1:08:20
now. Yeah. And I should have picked... The Colts?
1:08:24
I should have picked the Colts. Nobody would
1:08:27
have ever picked the Colts. I should have picked
1:08:29
the Colts. Watching the body of work now, I should
1:08:32
have picked the Colts. Yeah. And it's not like
1:08:36
they're not playing anybody. They're playing
1:08:38
great teams. Yeah, right. Well, right. I mean...
1:08:41
The Chargers are pretty injury -riddled right
1:08:43
now. Fair. But, yeah, Justin Herbert's playing
1:08:49
like he's going nuts. But you can only do so
1:08:54
much. Oh, for sure. You can only do so much when
1:08:56
you're getting killed every single play. For
1:08:59
sure, for sure. All right, we got the Giants
1:09:02
and the Broncos, 32 -33. This game was such a
1:09:07
– this is a good lesson. Good lesson, yes. Because
1:09:11
it's bad coaching versus bad rookie play? Yeah.
1:09:19
But, so, it was an electrifying game for the
1:09:23
Giants. And the fans watching. And the fans watching.
1:09:27
Like, this is the kind of game that gets fans,
1:09:30
gets your emotions going. Because you're like,
1:09:32
you're like, we're up, we're winning, we're crushing
1:09:36
them. Oh, no, they're coming back. Oh, they're
1:09:38
ahead of us now. Oh, we get the go -ahead touchdown
1:09:42
of our new star quarterback diving across the
1:09:45
line. And then you get that crushing defeat.
1:09:51
But that's a lesson game because it keeps their
1:09:56
heads from getting too big. But it was all preventative.
1:09:59
Oh, 100%. 100%. All preventative. And the coach
1:10:03
is probably kicking himself being like, this
1:10:06
was great for my quarterback as a confidence
1:10:08
boost. Yeah. And I screwed it up for him by not
1:10:11
play calling properly and putting my rookie in
1:10:14
a situation where I had to trust him a little
1:10:16
bit more. And he made the wrong decision because
1:10:19
I put him in that. It's true. You have to set
1:10:23
up your players like in the regular workforce.
1:10:26
You set everyone up for success. You don't set
1:10:28
them up for failure. And I'm sorry, the coach
1:10:32
of the Giants definitely set his team up for
1:10:34
failure. It comes down to like... At the end
1:10:38
of the day, they're doing what they're told to
1:10:40
do. Yes. If they're told to do this play and
1:10:43
it doesn't work out, who's that on? Coach. Exactly.
1:10:48
And then you got Cam Scadavu who's like lowers
1:10:53
his head and hits a guy three yards into the
1:10:57
end zone. I'm the juggernaut. I'm the juggernaut.
1:10:59
It's ridiculous. It's hilarious. But that's fun.
1:11:06
Like, I think the Giants are going to have a
1:11:09
lot of fun years coming up. Oh, for sure, for
1:11:12
sure. At least two. You know what? They'll win
1:11:17
a Super Bowl. With what they're building right
1:11:21
now, they have to get neighbors back. Yep. This
1:11:25
is what they needed. They'll win a Super Bowl.
1:11:28
Because, like, neighbors was playing well with
1:11:30
Russell Wilson. True. But that's because of the
1:11:35
long ball, and he's just like, oh, there it is.
1:11:37
I'll get it. Packers versus the Cardinals, 27
1:11:41
-23. Packers finally showed up in the fourth
1:11:44
quarter. Yeah. I thought that game would have
1:11:48
been a layup, to be honest. It was going to be
1:11:50
a layup. It was totally a layup. And you paid
1:11:53
Micah Parsons all his money just to show up in
1:11:56
the fourth quarter. Yeah. I mean, he did get
1:11:59
three sacks. In the fourth quarter. Yeah. But...
1:12:03
But it's also against a backup quarterback. Jacoby
1:12:07
Brissett is a solid quarterback. Understandable.
1:12:11
But... The starting quarterback couldn't even
1:12:14
get the job done. Like, I'm sorry. Jordan Love,
1:12:19
you're the starting quarterback of the Packers
1:12:20
and it's like you're getting showed up by a backup
1:12:24
quarterback. Exactly. That's what I mean. With
1:12:27
a backup running back. And it's like... We're
1:12:32
talking about journeymen, not like... Yeah. Yeah,
1:12:38
I have no faith in the Packers. That's your Super
1:12:40
Bowl pick. Oh, for sure. When you were young
1:12:43
and dumb. I'm a Seahawks fan, that's why. I'm
1:12:50
taking that home tonight. Okay. All right, we
1:12:52
got someone over here. I like that, I like that.
1:12:56
So you might have to fight them to get out of
1:12:59
here. The one thing I'll definitely say is Packers
1:13:03
offense. Like I was talking about my Eagles,
1:13:05
I don't trust the Packers offense. Yeah. No,
1:13:11
they're very hit or miss. It's still hard to
1:13:15
say who their best receiver is. Roman Dobbs.
1:13:21
Yeah, but I have Roman Dobbs on my team. He's
1:13:26
not doing a lot. But he's doing enough. I feel
1:13:30
like it's all Josh Jacobs. Fair. And he wasn't
1:13:35
even going to play yesterday. I know. And he
1:13:37
forces away air, but that's that. Commanders
1:13:42
and the Cowboys. Cowboys are playing legit right
1:13:47
now. CD comes back. They almost dropped 50. Offense.
1:13:52
Amazing. Superboard caliber team. Defense? Doo
1:14:00
-doo. I mean, it's not just because they got
1:14:08
rid of Micah Parsons, but... I'm actually glad
1:14:14
they got rid of Micah Parsons. It makes more
1:14:16
sense. The way their team is set up now, Jerry
1:14:21
Jones is looking like a fool. And ingenious at
1:14:26
the same time. So CeeDee Lamb and Pickens play
1:14:29
really well together, I've noticed. Because Pickens,
1:14:33
you can throw it to him while he's covered. Because
1:14:37
he doesn't separate that well, but you can throw
1:14:39
it to him while he's covered and he'll be ridiculous
1:14:41
and get it. Yep. CeeDee Lamb will separate and
1:14:46
be that number one target and be open most of
1:14:50
the time. Almost. Be that first read, almost
1:14:55
similar to, what's it called? AJ Brown and Devontae
1:15:01
Smith. Same thing. But I think CeeDee Lamb and
1:15:05
Pickens might be the best wide receiver duo in
1:15:08
the NFL right now due to Dequavius. Who? Dequavius.
1:15:16
That's his real name? Dequavius is his real name.
1:15:19
That's wild. Daquavius Prescott is his real name.
1:15:23
That's like, huh. See, I don't know. NFL players,
1:15:29
I guess they all have weird first names. Like
1:15:31
Dak Prescott is marketable, but his real name
1:15:35
is Daquavius. Yeah. Actually, I saw a thing about
1:15:39
players' first names the other day. You know
1:15:43
on A .J. Brown's birth certificate, his name
1:15:46
was spelt wrong? What? Yeah. Huh, did not know
1:15:51
that. It's like something Juan Brown, but Juan
1:15:57
was spelt like with an extra A or something.
1:16:00
Interesting. You'll have to look it up. I will,
1:16:03
I will. Yeah. It's a fun fact. Fair. What? I
1:16:08
know, what's his name? Daniels did go down with
1:16:11
an injury, but he's not. Did he come back? No,
1:16:15
because Marcus Mariota came in. But it's not
1:16:21
RG3 related. Oh, okay. So if he misses, he misses
1:16:26
one game. But it's a sophomore slump. I know
1:16:29
they were sending him for MRIs on his legs. Sophomore
1:16:32
slump. I feel like that's more just like a...
1:16:34
Cautionary. Cautionary because you're like, he
1:16:35
was already out this season. So we don't have
1:16:41
to worry too much. That's good because he's electric
1:16:45
when he's playing well. We've talked about this
1:16:50
before. Watching football is so much more fun
1:16:54
to watch when the stars are playing. When the
1:17:00
reason why we're watching is actually playing.
1:17:05
We were planning on going to the Bengals -Steelers
1:17:09
game, actually. And then things ended up falling
1:17:14
through. We ended up not doing it. Then Joe Burrow
1:17:18
goes down, and all of us were like, oh. Good
1:17:21
thing we didn't go. Good thing we didn't get
1:17:22
tickets. Turns out that game would have been
1:17:25
wild. It would have been amazing. Who knew? Terry
1:17:29
had the foresight. Yeah. So we should have went.
1:17:35
Yeah. Then the Sunday night game was the Falcons
1:17:38
and the 49ers. That was their running back battle.
1:17:42
I don't understand the Falcons at all. They play
1:17:45
good against some teams and bad against others.
1:17:47
They play to the team that they're playing. But
1:17:51
the 49ers. Unless it's the Panthers. True. They'll
1:17:56
play well one week. Then they'll lose terribly.
1:18:01
Then they beat the Commanders and the Bills.
1:18:06
Yep. And then this week they lost to the injured
1:18:11
49ers. Yeah, the 49ers practice squad. But it's
1:18:15
more than that. It's so up and down. But CMC
1:18:20
played off. He went off that game. It's true.
1:18:23
They need him to. That's true. They're sacrificing
1:18:26
all of their players. B. John did what he needed
1:18:28
to do. But it was just like, it was fun to see.
1:18:33
But it also shows an inexperienced quarterback.
1:18:37
Yeah. Goes a long way. But you see that happen
1:18:42
versus... You see the games earlier on in the
1:18:45
week when you're seeing these 35-, 40 -year -old
1:18:50
quarterbacks going crazy. True. Because they
1:18:54
can read everything. They're not that hyper -athletic
1:18:58
players. It's a mix of experience. Yeah. It's
1:19:02
experience, culture, different coaches' minds,
1:19:06
knowing what's going to happen, predictability.
1:19:09
Yeah. So, yeah. So, I don't know what the score
1:19:18
of the games there right now is. Of what? The
1:19:23
Bucs and Detroit. I believe it's 14 -0 right
1:19:27
now for the Lions. 14 -0 for the Lions. But there's
1:19:30
tons of times in the Bucs. It's Baker. Baker
1:19:33
will find a way. I actually kind of hope Baker
1:19:35
figures that out. Someone was carted off in the
1:19:38
game as we were recording this podcast. So we'll
1:19:42
definitely figure out who that was later. But
1:19:45
it'll be interesting to see. But I think the
1:19:48
night game, like the Texans and Seahawks, I think
1:19:52
that's going to be a kickoff. I think it's going
1:19:53
to be a layup. It should be. Like the Texans
1:19:56
aren't playing very well this year. CJ Stroud's
1:20:02
having quite a slump. He's turning into like
1:20:05
a meh quarterback. He was electric in his rookie
1:20:09
year, and then the slump hit him hard. Sam Darnold,
1:20:15
though. He refined his career. He found a good
1:20:22
fit. He's got the right weapons. Minnesota was
1:20:25
the right fit, though. That's true. And Minnesota
1:20:27
gave up on him. They did and they didn't. They
1:20:33
gave up on him. Minnesota had... already drafted
1:20:38
J .J. McCarthy, and they were like, we have our
1:20:41
eggs in this basket. We plan on using this basket.
1:20:46
And then they gave him the option. You're like,
1:20:49
hey, you can go find a team. Which he did. Because
1:20:55
they're like, you earned that. Which he did,
1:20:59
and you know what they look like? Minnesota?
1:21:03
They look like Minnesota last year. Yeah. They
1:21:05
look exactly like Minnesota right now. The way
1:21:08
they're playing the ball, throwing the ball,
1:21:10
running the ball. Good defense, a really good
1:21:12
number one receiver. It's crazy. Yeah. But it
1:21:19
just goes to show that it's not just, like it's
1:21:24
the situations. True. Like sometimes a good quarterback
1:21:27
can go into a bad situation and it doesn't work.
1:21:30
Sometimes a bad quarterback can be in a good
1:21:33
situation, and it works. It's coaching. It's
1:21:36
quarterback. It's weapons. It's who's excited
1:21:39
to be there, who's there for a paycheck, or who's
1:21:42
there to make a difference. Makes such a difference.
1:21:44
So true. All right. So that looks like we're
1:21:53
wrapping up for another week. Peace. Now we get
1:21:56
to watch the... Watch the Jays win. Watch some
1:21:59
football. Give away a jersey. So come down to
1:22:02
Clubhouse. Come down to Clubhouse. We're probably
1:22:04
going to give it away in about a half an hour
1:22:07
from now. About a half hour. All right. Peace.
1:22:10
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